When is it time to admit that Obama is a failure?

[PomonaCA]

Let's be honest. I know that liberals, being so prideful, have a hard time with honesty, but lets at least try.

I know I'll get some emotional response along the lines of "But at least" or "but the corporations" or whatever but lets face the fact.


Record high unemployment

Record low approval among the general American public

And you know what this means?

People aren't working and don't like Obama simply because he's black. If he were a white man, jobs would be coming out of the woodwork.

[Amsterdamage]

Obama is shill. A marketing machine. Nothing more nothing less. He's done what he was told to do, so now they're gonna out him.

No offense towards Obama or democrats or republicans (in the end they're all the same group anyways) but that's just how things work. He's a brilliant speaker and salesman, but unfortunately for him he's become redundant now.

Relating this to race is just ignorant and easy imo. Afterall he's only half black, which makes him half white. he doesn't advocate or emphasize his 'blackness', so i don't believe that's of any significance (is that even a word?)

I predict Hillary for next president. I just hope for you guys that she won't be!

[PomonaCA]

Obama is shill. A marketing machine. Nothing more nothing less. He's done what he was told to do, so now they're gonna out him.

No offense towards Obama or democrats or republicans (in the end they're all the same group anyways) but that's just how things work. He's a brilliant speaker and salesman, but unfortunately for him he's become redundant now.

Relating this to race is just ignorant and easy imo. Afterall he's only half black, which makes him half white. he doesn't advocate or emphasize his 'blackness', so i don't believe that's of any significance (is that even a word?)

I predict Hillary for next president. I just hope for you guys that she won't be!


I don't recall anyone phoning amsterdam and asking them who the American president should be. I don't recall that because no one gives a shit about what amsterdam thinks. Talk about redundant?

[trish]

Record low approval among the general American publicAs long as we're being honest, Obama's at the all time low of HIS approval ratings, which now read 42%. I do recall when Bush's were at 25%.


People aren't working and don't like Obama simply because he's black. If he were a white man, jobs would be coming out of the woodwork. I'm surprised you would make this argument. It's load of bullshit. People don't refuse jobs just to make black politicians look bad. It's like John Bonner says, people refuse jobs because they prefer to be on the public dole and collect all those delicious unemployment checks. Yeah, right.

[PomonaCA]

As long as we're being honest, Obama's at the all time low of HIS approval ratings, which now read 42%. I do recall when Bush's were at 25%.

I'm surprised you would make this argument. It's load of bullshit. People don't refuse jobs just to make black politicians look bad. It's like John Bonner says, people refuse jobs because they prefer to be on the public dole and collect all those delicious unemployment checks. Yeah, right.


But Bush......!!


2 years in and they're still blaming Bush! Hysterical!

[trish]

Sorry, I didn't say, "But Bush..." and I certainly didn't blame him for anything in the above post. Go back and look. I merely pointed out that it's a lie that Obama's approval ratings are the lowest on record. Indeed 42% is a damn high low. Now I have to point out it's also a LIE that in the above post I blamed Bush for our current economic woes. No where in that post did I mention the deregulation of the Wall Street Banks, the trillions of dollars lost in a useless war in Iraq or the trillion we borrowed from China and neglected to account for it in the Federal budget. I went back to that post and couldn't find anything at all about blaming Bush for anything...I didn't even blame him for redefining "navigable waterways" and increasing the legal concentration of arsenic in our drinking water. Perhaps you could quote the exact place in that post where I mentioned any of these or like blameworthy disaccomplishments.

[Amsterdamage]

I don't recall anyone phoning amsterdam and asking them who the American president should be. I don't recall that because no one gives a shit about what amsterdam thinks. Talk about redundant?

yeah thats exactly the right spirit dude. keep it up like that. thats why america is so fucked up, because of people like you.

first of all, i'm not saying who should be president. so what's that all about?
i may be a just stupid foreigner, but since everything that happens in america unfortunately has a significant infuence on what happens in europe, i study the american politics and economy VERY closely, and i bet i know more about it than the average american citizen does.

anyhow, if u dont give a shit about what i think then just dont read my post(s). talk about redundant? my post actually was related to the topic of this thread, your reply had nothing to do with it, except for bashing on my opinion. talk about redundant.

[Faldur]

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[circ]

It's funny how people are calling him a socialist, communist and a muslim lover or even a muslim. They don't know what a socialist is. I doubt they even know what a book is. They certainly don't know what a communist is or a muslim. But anyway. Obama has kept his admin on the same track as Bush. He hasn't ended any wars, hasn't released any illegally held detainees. Hasn't done a fucking thing with his foreign policy. Patriot act is still around. Healthcare, whoopty doo. No new sanctions on retarded oil companies that can't do simple maintenance on a platform. Just another corporate lobby whore, but not a socialist by any means.

[bte]

I don't know why people keep referring to Obama as a Muslim. During the campaign, all you heard on FoxNews was the fact that he was sitting in Rev. Wright's church for 20 years. Now that he is president all of a sudden, they forget about him sitting in a Christian church for 20 years and now he is a Muslim.

[dana295]

it was time to admit he was a failure before he was duble voted into office

[yodajazz]

Let's be honest. I know that liberals, being so prideful, have a hard time with honesty, but lets at least try.

I know I'll get some emotional response along the lines of "But at least" or "but the corporations" or whatever but lets face the fact.


Record high unemployment

Record low approval among the general American public

And you know what this means?

People aren't working and don't like Obama simply because he's black. If he were a white man, jobs would be coming out of the woodwork.

Who has a hard time with honesty? The erosion of manufacturing and other labor jobs has taken place over many years. I feel the process of taking power away from labor started under Reagan. So we are talking about trend that started 25-30 years ago. Also we are talking about private sector jobs, that the government can only influence and not control. So Obama cannot turn around something that took 25 years to get do, in two years.

I'm not understanding your statement, that if Obama were White, jobs would be coming out of the woodwork. Could you give further explanation on this? This in contradicting those who say race is no longer a real issue in the US.

it was time to admit he was a failure before he was duble voted into office
I bet Obama could spell "double".


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Anyone else notice how Obama's skin has been made darker? Isn't so ironic that the OP accuses Liberals of having a hard time with honesty. Like someone esle posted, they made an election controversy of him being in a church for twenty years (bte). There a racist message in making a person's skin darker. Don't pretend that this is not true. There is a racist message in targeting minorities as menacing. Hate and blame are the came tactics that Hitler used to consolidate his power. Talk about 'taking back control of America' and restoring old values.

[dana295]

I bet Obama could spell "double".

prolly but i seriously doubt it . concidering the number of advisors he seems to need

[thombergeron]

People aren't working and don't like Obama simply because he's black. If he were a white man, jobs would be coming out of the woodwork.

This is the greatest PomonaCA fact-free assertion OF ALL TIME!

I bet in 1983, when unemployment was at 10.4% and Ronald Reagan's approval rating was at 35%, PomonaCA was trying to convince all his little mouth-breather buddies that the Reagan presidency was a failure.

[hippifried]

This is the greatest PomonaCA fact-free assertion OF ALL TIME!

I bet in 1983, when unemployment was at 10.4% and Ronald Reagan's approval rating was at 35%, PomonaCA was trying to convince all his little mouth-breather buddies that the Reagan presidency was a failure.
You don't really think he was born before '83, do you?

[arnie666]

I don't recall anyone phoning amsterdam and asking them who the American president should be. I don't recall that because no one gives a shit about what amsterdam thinks. Talk about redundant?

When America holds the most powerful nuclear arsenal in the world ,too right people from other countries are entitled to talk about someones suitability to be president!

There was really no need for such a comment. And perhaps if America gave a shit about what friendly countries like holland think ,we wouldn't all be in the position we are now in . We are dealing with a world wide threat from the cult known as islam. All european countries as well as america have to deal with this threat, we ought to be looking out for each other ,not sniping.

On Obama, when he first came on the scene,I did have a small amount of hope,that he was a little different and his words were more than words. I was wrong. He and the democrat party are done. He is attacking his own faithful now for the mess he has managed to create,not even bush,punched himself in the face like this. Obama makes Bush look like a fucking genius. It just shows that alleged academic excellence and intellect ,is no guarantee of a good president or indeed a leader.

I believe the americans are sick and tired of both the democrats and the republicans and will force change and the established parties will have to accomodate it by accepting candidates for president who can bring fresh ideas or else a third party will have a candidate voted in.

[yodajazz]

When America holds the most powerful nuclear arsenal in the world ,too right people from other countries are entitled to talk about someones suitability to be president!

There was really no need for such a comment. And perhaps if America gave a shit about what friendly countries like holland think ,we wouldn't all be in the position we are now in . We are dealing with a world wide threat from the cult known as islam. All european countries as well as america have to deal with this threat, we ought to be looking out for each other ,not sniping.

On Obama, when he first came on the scene,I did have a small amount of hope,that he was a little different and his words were more than words. I was wrong. He and the democrat party are done. He is attacking his own faithful now for the mess he has managed to create,not even bush,punched himself in the face like this. Obama makes Bush look like a fucking genius. It just shows that alleged academic excellence and intellect ,is no guarantee of a good president or indeed a leader.

I believe the americans are sick and tired of both the democrats and the republicans and will force change and the established parties will have to accomodate it by accepting candidates for president who can bring fresh ideas or else a third party will have a candidate voted in.

I think the nation is suffering from collective insanity fuel by Republican strategists. Obama came into office facing unprecedented challenges. A world finacial in crisis, millions of lost jobs, Corporations once considered the backbone of the US economy, GM and Chrysler facing bancruptcy, two simultaneous wars, and the possiblity of millions of Americans losing thier homes, with the housing market collapse. So Obama is a failure for not turning this around in two years, with no help from Republicans? We have some tough issues, but Republicans have blitzed the airwave outspending 6 to 1, with no real addressing any of these issues. Instead, letting tax cuts for the wealthy expire, is the major issue they have fought. And this is at the same time they cry about the size of the deficit! They have only trashed everything Obama has done.

I have become addicted to looking at the public response to Yahoo New articles. It has become a cesspool of hate, referring African Americans as monkeys, lazy, welfare getting drug addicts, telling Obama, to go back to his hut, calling him stupid, a dictator, etc. I have live a long time and have never seen so much hate on such a large scale. Some people have no sympathy, about the issues and suffering of many. Obama's problem is that he came into office thinking that Republican would want to help solve problems. But their strategy has been to do nothing, so they could blame Obama, when they have had control of Congress for most of the last 30 years. They have the nerve to try and blame everything on the Democratic congress elected in 2006! That just shows the mentality of insanity out there.

Obama as President still has to work legally within the laws of the system. I think many supporters are just disillusioned that more could not be done. I do now, have greater respect for the transformative power of hate. But hate never has positive results.

Arnie666 I challenge you to come up with any Republican solutions to any issues, besides taxes and government spending. By the way, saying Obama is "attacking" his follows is just a way of framing something in the most negative light. But that's par for the course. They attack everything, I mean everything he has done, when Republicans were right there with the opportunity to influence every single piece of legislation. It' real insanity.

[PomonaCA]

Who has a hard time with honesty? The erosion of manufacturing and other labor jobs has taken place over many years. I feel the process of taking power away from labor started under Reagan. So we are talking about trend that started 25-30 years ago. Also we are talking about private sector jobs, that the government can only influence and not control. So Obama cannot turn around something that took 25 years to get do, in two years.

I'm not understanding your statement, that if Obama were White, jobs would be coming out of the woodwork. Could you give further explanation on this? This in contradicting those who say race is no longer a real issue in the US.

I bet Obama could spell "double".



Anyone else notice how Obama's skin has been made darker? Isn't so ironic that the OP accuses Liberals of having a hard time with honesty. Like someone esle posted, they made an election controversy of him being in a church for twenty years (bte). There a racist message in making a person's skin darker. Don't pretend that this is not true. There is a racist message in targeting minorities as menacing. Hate and blame are the came tactics that Hitler used to consolidate his power. Talk about 'taking back control of America' and restoring old values.

Taking power away from labor? There it is again; The typical liberal fascination with class warfare.

Us against them

Rich against poor

Employee against Employer

Victim against victimizer

Liberal beliefs simply do not work unless they are constructed against a framework of devils and helpless angels.

Usually the devils are;

The rich

The corporations

The rich corporations

The man holding the poor black people down

The man holding the poor hispanics down

The man holding the poor gay people down

etc etc.

Name your victim and liberals will name you a victimizer.

Or as Eric Hoffer said;

Mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a God, but never without belief in a devil.

[thombergeron]

What a tragic waste of irony.

[hippifried]

What a tragic waste of irony.
LOL! Okay. I can't add anything to that.

[nitron]

The greatest achievement of the Obama presidency is , black folks can be trusted with the keys. Next is the ladies turn.

[Ben]

Not a fan of Obama. Wasn't a fan of Bush Jr.
I mean, government should be, well, administrative work. So, they merely manage it... in our interests.
But we live in a corporate state. And government serves, well, Exxon and Gates and Ellison (type: Oracle Corporation on the ol' Google -- :)) and others.
The vast majority of the populace have no say over public policy. None. And people know this. Hence don't bother voting. Most point out: what difference does it make; they're all the same. (There are slight differences. Obama is better with respect to, say, gay marriage &/or abortion rights.)
But President Obama has been much worse with respect to civil liberties than Bush. And, too, he's waging a war on journalists and journalism. (Why is he doing this? Well, for various reasons. Are they nefarious? No. I don't believe that.)
And what about the surveillance state? Feel good about it -- ha, ha! :) But, again, Obama thinks he's doing the right thing.
People in positions of power come to believe in their inherent goodness.
Anyway, Bush planted the seeds. And, well, Obama is managing Bush's policies... quite well.

[Ben]

Noam Chomsky: Palin Was Right About Obama...

http://townhall.com/video/noam-chomsky-palin-was-right-about-obama