Did Grooby buy TGFlix? Wal-Mart of TS porn continues power consolidation.

[BellaBellucci]

Their admin emails now come from admin@grooby.com, Grooby banners litter the site, and the whois information lists Steven Gallon as the site registrant. Is there anything in the TS community that this guy can't buy out? Not to mention the fact that around the time the changeover took place, I was anonymously reported for Whois spoofing. Gee. I wonder who did that. :geek:

It's OK though, I replaced the info with a post office box and a high-tech phone line that allows me to ban people from calling at will. :)

~BB~

[hotnphx]

LOL ,BB you need to let this go ,Steven is a business man ,just trying to earn a living .
If you got fucked by Grooby ,I would just let it go ,start moving forward ,quit dwelling on what Grooby has ,and move on and make something of your business ...I'm tired of reading your complaints ,both here and Hung Devils ,its getting old ..

[BellaBellucci]

LOL ,BB you need to let this go ,Steven is a business man ,just trying to earn a living .
If you got fucked by Grooby ,I would just let it go ,start moving forward ,quit dwelling on what Grooby has ,and move on and make something of your business ...I'm tired of reading your complaints ,both here and Hung Devils ,its getting old ..

I got banned on HungDevils, remember? 'Quit dwelling,' indeed. I bet you have no problem with Comcast and Time Warner taking over the internet either. Or Wal-Mart for that matter. Power monopolies are bad for business. This has implications way beyond my issues with them.

~BB~

[Silcc69]

UH OH! I smell trouble.

[GroobySteven]

UH OH! I smell trouble.

Nah that was Bella's breath ... or ass. Same smell, she talks so much shit.

[BellaBellucci]

Nah that was Bella's breath ... or ass. Same smell, she talks so much shit.

So why didn't you announce the changeover? Hoping people wouldn't notice?

http://www.cherryflava.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/monopoly2.jpg
http://www.businessweek.com/careers/managementiq/archives/wal-mart-image.jpg

~BB~

[Coroner]

Sure, monopolies are bad for business but business itself is bad and sentenced to cause conflicts and greed. Why should Grooby be different? We´re witnessing an era of unscrupulous capitalism taking over the internet. The world of internet went beyond the era of ads, banners and ebay for a while, now. Grooby is trying to keep the monopoly over shemale porn online. Other companies try the same but Seanchai was clever enough to enter this porn genre when its future was still risky and uncertain. Today, if I´m not wrong, it´s the most growing porn genre. The original free market theory has never been realized in the "real world" because it simply doesn´t work and would destroy itself immidiately. What we have is some kind of state capitalism but the internet does not have a constitution. It´s not a state or society, so since there are no laws to take into account, companies try to gag critical voices in a way that does not work in the real world at all.
That´s no secret and I´m not taking sides or specifically criticizing Grooby because I don´t care about Grooby. But I have one question: would you still complain if you did biz with Grooby, Bella? :lol:

[shemale-411]

Let me get this sttraight. The OP has a blog in which she has Ashley George's name used without her consent, has been asked by Ashley George to take it down, lots of the OP's banners all over it, in the slim chance of profit, and she is attacking Grooby for buying another site.

Someone get this crazy hypocritical mess off this board, please.

[BellaBellucci]

Other companies try the same but Seanchai was clever enough to enter this porn genre when its future was still risky and uncertain.

Or you could say he was in the right place at the right time. :geek:


But I have one question: would you still complain if you did biz with Grooby, Bella? :lol:

Absolutely. I have many, many issues with centralization of power professionally, personally, and politically. In my former incarnation as a political blogger, I railed against just this sort of thing on a global scale with the creation of the Asian Union, European Union, African Union, and the soon-to-be North American Union. And of course I'm opposed to the eventual consolidation of those entities into a world government, and this is really no different.

Besides, if we didn't have anti-trust laws, US Steel, Microsoft, or Wal-Mart would probably own the U.S. government and enslave us all, although they pretty much do anyway.

So I ask again, do those of you who don't have a problem with Grooby buying up all of the sites and steering the niche so easily have a problem with Wal-Mart? If not, I'm sorry, but you should.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

Let me get this sttraight. The OP has a blog in which she has Ashley George's name used without her consent, has been asked by Ashley George to take it down, lots of the OP's banners all over it, in the slim chance of profit, and she is attacking Grooby for buying another site.

Someone get this crazy hypocritical mess of this board, please.

I had her consent. In fact, some of her own posts are still on the site. But you already know that story or you wouldn't be trying to use it to discredit me. And Ashley decided on her own that she didn't want to place her own banners on the site when I offered her the option, so sod off.

~BB~

[rockabilly]

Hey don't knock it , I just bought 21 Jump Street the first season and Renegade the first season for $5 each at Wal-Mart.

[BellaBellucci]

Hey don't knock it , I just bought 21 Jump Street the first season and Renegade the first season for $5 each at Wal-Mart.

That's not because they exploit Chinese labor. It's because they both suck. :lol:

~BB~

[rockabilly]

O_o How dare you Bella.

[BellaBellucci]

O_o How dare you Bella.

I love you. :rock2 xoxo

~BB~

[rockabilly]

I'm calling you on your hi-tech phone Bella.

It's 1 900-555-Bela right?

[BellaBellucci]

I'm calling you on your hi-tech phone Bella.

It's 1 900-555-Bela right?

I didn't think Batgirl had a phone. Besides, I always thought the spotlight was way cooler. Maybe it should be in the form of one of those Grooby logos with the girls with those tacky enormous cocks. :geek:

~BB~

[GroobySteven]

UH OH! I smell trouble.


Sure, monopolies are bad for business but business itself is bad and sentenced to cause conflicts and greed. Why should Grooby be different? We´re witnessing an era of unscrupulous capitalism taking over the internet. The world of internet went beyond the era of ads, banners and ebay for a while, now. Grooby is trying to keep the monopoly over shemale porn online. Other companies try the same but Seanchai was clever enough to enter this porn genre when its future was still risky and uncertain. Today, if I´m not wrong, it´s the most growing porn genre. The original free market theory has never been realized in the "real world" because it simply doesn´t work and would destroy itself immidiately. What we have is some kind of state capitalism but the internet does not have a constitution. It´s not a state or society, so since there are no laws to take into account, companies try to gag critical voices in a way that does not work in the real world at all.
That´s no secret and I´m not taking sides or specifically criticizing Grooby because I don´t care about Grooby. But I have one question: would you still complain if you did biz with Grooby, Bella? :lol:

Actually we're not that big a company comparative to many who have tried to muscle in on this niche (Pimproll, BangBros, TrannyPay, etc.) - we're more of a boutique company with our fingers in a lot of different places which work for us. It looks like we have more, as we've worked on our branding and presence a lot and because we're involved in the scene, the fan boards etc. Before we bought out some of these sites and forums we were active on them and not just promoting. The funny part is, you'll always have a few people who accuse us of various nefarious things whether they are a jealous competitor or a disgruntled ex-employee or just because they have twisted things out of all proportion but over-all we try and run the company as ethically as we can - which is why we're still working with models from 10+ years ago and still enjoying working with the same partners, photographers and staffing for many years.

[rockabilly]

I didn't think Batgirl had a phone. Besides, I always thought the spotlight was way cooler. Maybe it should be in the form of one of those Grooby logos with the girls with those tacky enormous cocks. :geek:

~BB~

... Size Queen ...

http://www.failfunnies.com/30/images/shadow-puppet-surprise-fail.gif

[BellaBellucci]

Actually we're not that big a company comparative to many who have tried to muscle in on this niche (Pimproll, BangBros, TrannyPay, etc.) - we're more of a boutique company with our fingers in a lot of different places which work for us. It looks like we have more, as we've worked on our branding and presence a lot and because we're involved in the scene, the fan boards etc. Before we bought out some of these sites and forums we were active on them and not just promoting. The funny part is, you'll always have a few people who accuse us of various nefarious things whether they are a jealous competitor or a disgruntled ex-employee or just because they have twisted things out of all proportion but over-all we try and run the company as ethically as we can - which is why we're still working with models from 10+ years ago and still enjoying working with the same partners, photographers and staffing for many years.

All of that may be so, but your pace of expansion is 'nefariously' fast and unnecessarily aggressive. Add to that the lawsuits you're filing against 'pirates' (i.e. college kids who would probably pay for the content if they could, and not sites that allow them to share it), the models that won't work with you, and the arrogant attitude of you and those around you, and you wonder why someone might question your motives.

I mean honest to gods Steven, you can disagree with my assessment, but you've done nothing to invalidate it. Like it or not, my views are valid and shared by many. Instead of attacking, why not try diplomacy? Do you really think I enjoy fighting with you? Well, I don't. I feel it's necessary and only you can change that feeling.

~BB~

[GroobySteven]

All of that may be so, but your pace of expansion is 'nefariously' fast and unnecessarily aggressive. Add to that the lawsuits you're filing against 'pirates' (i.e. college kids who would probably pay for the content if they could, and not sites that allow them to share it), the models that won't work with you, and the arrogant attitude of you and those around you, and you wonder why someone might question your motives.

I mean honest to gods Steven, you can disagree with my assessment, but you've done nothing to invalidate it. Like it or not, my views are valid and shared by many. Instead of attacking, why not try diplomacy? Do you really think I enjoy fighting with you? Well, I don't. I feel it's necessary and only you can change that feeling.

~BB~

Fast? We've been in business since 1996 and how are they aggressive - we were asked if we wanted to buy them and we looked at them and thought they'd be good properties? There are other companies expanding much faster than us.
The lawsuits? What relevancy is that to you?
Some models won't work for us but over 5000 will. The majority of models working in the US have worked for us, and will again. Every company has models that won't work for them, for different reasons.

Arrogant attitude? Yes, I am arrogant when standing up for something I believe in or having to correct the arrogance of an imbecile like yourself, who simply takes a few strands and makes a conspiracy of it. Why do I bother to answer somebody as insignificant as yourself - because I have pride in my company. As far as anyone else in the company being arrogant, I don't think so. In fact, since Buddy rode into town, the transgender scene that was very inclusive in Los Angeles has opened up massively to any - and all - and maybe that irks you also. That's not arrogance, it's friendliness and just being everyone's BUDDY.

Bella, you don't have an assessment. You've made a conspiracy theory up, you've decided to try and damage my company because simply, we didn't want to shoot you again and you took offence to that. Your idea that we made you look bad simply to make other models look good, is so far fetched, I still don't know if it's just some elaborate joke (yet I've seen the other ridiculous things you've said, so it's more likely, your illness).
Why on earth, would I give you "diplomacy" - I mean, who the fuck are you? You don't have anyone's ear? You are irrelevant to pretty much the whole TS model community (whom you wanted to be an advocate for - un-invited) because of the way you go on, you get no respect from any club owners or promoters (think about it ...).
Yes, I do think you enjoy fighting, I've seen you with more people than I.

I think it's perfectly transparant to most people, that you just want to continue to attack, spread lies and try and create discourse around our company. You are a parasite.

[BellaBellucci]

Fast? We've been in business since 1996 and how are they aggressive - we were asked if we wanted to buy them and we looked at them and thought they'd be good properties? There are other companies expanding much faster than us.
The lawsuits? What relevancy is that to you?
Some models won't work for us but over 5000 will. The majority of models working in the US have worked for us, and will again. Every company has models that won't work for them, for different reasons.

Arrogant attitude? Yes, I am arrogant when standing up for something I believe in or having to correct the arrogance of an imbecile like yourself, who simply takes a few strands and makes a conspiracy of it. Why do I bother to answer somebody as insignificant as yourself - because I have pride in my company. As far as anyone else in the company being arrogant, I don't think so. In fact, since Buddy rode into town, the transgender scene that was very inclusive as opened up massively to any - and all. That's not arrogance.

Bella, you don't have an assessment. You've made a conspiracy theory up, you've decided to try and damage my company because simply, we didn't want to shoot you again and you took offence to that. Your idea that we made you look bad simply to make other models look good, is so far fetched, I still don't know if it's just some elaborate joke (yet I've seen the other ridiculous things you've said, so it's more likely, your illness).
Why on earth, would I give you "diplomacy" - I mean, who the fuck are you? You don't have anyone's ear? You are irrelevant to pretty much the whole TS model community (whom you wanted to be an advocate for - un-invited) because of the way you go on, you get no respect from any club owners or promoters (think about it ...).
Yes, I do think you enjoy fighting, I've seen you with more people than I.

I think it's perfectly transparant to most people, that you just want to continue to attack, spread lies and try and create discourse around our company. You are a parasite.

You're a nice man, Steven.

(Thanks Dino!)

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

YouTube - Walmart Prostitute (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivEOq55zfF0&feature=related)

~BB~

[hotnphx]

Wow, BB great video... I feel the same myself ,never shop at Wally World ,by the way ,the employees make minimum wage ,and only Part Time,maybe 25 hours a week ,with a one year commitment...Lots of companys workin that kind of schedule these days....I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW THE FUCK ANYONE MAKES A LIVIN IN THIS COUNTRY ANYMORE...Just the FAT CATS runnin the show ..

[BellaBellucci]

I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW THE FUCK ANYONE MAKES A LIVIN IN THIS COUNTRY ANYMORE...Just the FAT CATS runnin the show ..

We have a winner! :Bowdown:

~BB~

[hotnphx]

LOL yes this is a true thing , I used to be one of those FAT CATS ,,got cut June 26 2008 after 15.6 years .LOL no severance ,just a pink slip , now i'm overqualified for most jobs that are available ,and under qualified for a rocket scientist ,LOL , ugly out in the world now ....

[hotnphx]

Business is Business ,cut throat ,lying ,asskissing bullshit....

[BellaBellucci]

Business is Business ,cut throat ,lying ,asskissing bullshit....

Tell me about it. :geek:

~BB~

[PomonaCA]

Walmart is a great company

[Richctdude]

wow good for them

[serial138]

I find it funny how many of you critique Wal-Mart, when that company has single handedly held down inflation for almost 20 years with their Nazi like attitude about price cuts and steamlining distribution channels.

Sure, they don't pay shit, but if you want to make a living working at Wal-Mart then you need your head examined anyway. That's like bitching about the pay at McDonald's! It's a stepping stone, not a career choice. If it is your career, meh, the world needs ditch diggers too.

[poolster]

I find it funny how many of you critique Wal-Mart, when that company has single handedly held down inflation for almost 20 years with their Nazi like attitude about price cuts and steamlining distribution channels.

Sure, they don't pay shit, but if you want to make a living working at Wal-Mart then you need your head examined anyway. That's like bitching about the pay at McDonald's! It's a stepping stone, not a career choice. If it is your career, meh, the world needs ditch diggers too.

Godwin's Law has been Utilised

[tsparisangelline]

lol, who cares?

tgflix is a joke, they use tinychat ( a free chat system) they expect people to donate to "post ads"(never) the forums are slow and full of (i am a bottom looking for a ts top) idiotic threads.

If grooby did buy it they were retarded in doing so.

[FreddieGomez]

alot of crossdressers sayin they ts on there....bleh...

[BLKGSXR]

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=674235&sid=c315805fc414f4c9c6a274210f6170ab yeah looks like grooby is so dumb but they got you wrapped.
Third photo down....

[tsparisangelline]

yeah looks like grooby is so dumb but they got you wrapped.
Third photo down....

lol, anyone with sense can tell that is not me

keep digging cunt

[usa]

Hello Steve

Wow another so called honest answer. To refresh your memories. What about the following you do on your websites:
- putting private information of members who disagree with you on your web
- sending insulting threats like wait until I get my hands on you
- lack of security so credit cards of paying members can be fished
- using models in Asia to threaten webmembers
- putting bad advertisement for clubs that didn't give in to your demands
- paying models in Asia almost nothing

I have one question. What would you do if you would get your hands on me. Please tell your audience here in the open. But I don't think you have the guts. Behind your arrogance is a wimp.

Good luck Steve.

[NatashaLover]

Hey don't knock it , I just bought 21 Jump Street the first season and Renegade the first season for $5 each at Wal-Mart.

I love Renegade! when are we watching it? ;)

[Nicole Dupre]

There was a fake profile created of me there. I truly hope it's gone by now. I have no interest in the site whatsoever. I'm on Facebook and Google+. That's it.

And I'm going to start deleting people o FB who won't stop trying to drag me into the James Spangler bashing. I made a few points here regarding him, which I thought were worthy, and had a little fun. But it's a matter of time before this place fades into my past again. I can't stand the majority of trannys who cling to their bullshit porn personas (keep sucking those dicks to pay the rent, ladies), nor do I give a shit about the faceless cockbandit freakshow here.

[dgs925]

Welcome back Monica, I'm glad to see you've calmed down enough to turn off caps lock and speak in whole senteces.

[AmyDaly]

I'm sure my return will be short lived unless the mods are looking for a traffic boost. I hurt alot of their feelings. Almost causing a few to commit suicide. :dancing:
The mods let all kinds of shit go on this board now. Its almost a free for all here. I hope you stick around.

[BellaBellucci]

The mods let all kinds of shit go on this board now. Its almost a free for all here. I hope you stick around.

Hold on. Steven's been trying to control the dialog around the niche for over a decade by buying up boards and social network sites, using his 'authority' to do whatever he can to influence the chatter, and banning those who disagree with him. There's a history of this, most recently in the fact that many members active here are refugees from HD.

Well guess what? Someone has to stand to oppose censorship in this biz and I give all the props in the world to the guys who run this site for allowing natural selection to take its course. Mark my words: if anything happens to diminish the freedom of speech allowed on HA, I'll be more than happy to provide a libertarian alternative.

And I'm not going to engage in another drag-out, bullshit, argumentative, and personal exchange over this. Mine is an argument of an ideal. If you insist on a retort, argue on the merits or I won't bother to respond.

~BB~

[GroobySteven]

If you insist on a retort, argue on the merits or I won't bother to respond.



Thank fuck for that, progress for you finally.

[AmyDaly]

Hold on. Steven's been trying to control the dialog around the niche for over a decade by buying up boards and social network sites, using his 'authority' to do whatever he can to influence the chatter, and banning those who disagree with him. There's a history of this, most recently in the fact that many members active here are refugees from HD.

Well guess what? Someone has to stand to oppose censorship in this biz and I give all the props in the world to the guys who run this site for allowing natural selection to take its course. Mark my words: if anything happens to diminish the freedom of speech allowed on HA, I'll be more than happy to provide a libertarian alternative.

And I'm not going to engage in another drag-out, bullshit, argumentative, and personal exchange over this. Mine is an argument of an ideal. If you insist on a retort, argue on the merits or I won't bother to respond.

~BB~
bla bla bla "im right, you're wrong" I don't really care what you have to say bella. Its always the same thing over and over.

[BellaBellucci]

"refugees"? really tho bella? is it that serious girl? this is NOT political and IMO making it into something political over getting banned is just silly and a waste of time.

what steven does is called "business", and its never personal. he doesn't buy things for control, he buys things for traffic. although him and i have had many disagreements over the years, and in some of which i even cursed him out and disrespected him, one thing i can say is that he knows this business better than anyone and structured most of it into what it is today. someone has to be the boss, if it wasnt him it would be someone else. thats just how it is.

Traffic is control. I know you know better than this. His purchases are strategic. He'd be remiss not to make them.

Also, you and he might want to get your stories straight because while you're giving him credit for structuring the industry, he systematically denies it when that fact creates controversy. For better or worse, he's not singularly responsible, but is pretty close to it, for the way the niche operates. It would be nice of him to own it, take the good with the bad, and do what he can to improve it for those who are the most vulnerable. Let's face it: they don't really have anybody else standing up for them.

~BB~

[AmyDaly]

someone has to be the boss, if it wasnt him it would be someone else. thats just how it is.

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj04rkmTut1qfvbjno1_500.jpg

[BellaBellucci]

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj04rkmTut1qfvbjno1_500.jpg

This guy was a boss too, and he treated his employees, customers, and competitors fairly, and has been heralded the world over for being part of the creation of the middle class.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Henry_ford_1919.jpg/250px-Henry_ford_1919.jpg

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

ok but my thing is... how does any of what your saying affect YOU? i don't dislike u, nor do i have any interest in argueing, BUT i can honestly say from the outside looking in it appears to be envy.

My friend Mr. Ford would disagree. This is very much political.


and if so, then wut makes u qualified other than being transgendered?

I'm not saying that, although to answer your question, I do have the necessary qualifications having been in politics (marketing), journalism (PR), legal escort agency ownership (adult), website development, and more recently, even photography. I have 14 years experience in adult and 20 in politics. My only weakness has been graphic design, but that can always be shopped out.

So, since you brought it up (so I don't want to hear anything from the peanut gallery about me 'bragging'), I don't think I necessarily should be in charge, but yes I would certainly be qualified if the opportunity arose.

That said, I expect my perspective to be taken seriously and not discarded simply because some people choose to see me as nothing more than just another 'tranny' model who should keep her mouth shut or suffer the consequences because they can't deal with their own insecurities. In nearly every other business in the world, experience is valued. In our industry, only nepotism is important.


business is business, instead of griping about it start your own and make it a competitor, THATS WHAT I DID. when i got banned i made my own shit cuz i knew it would be better not just because i have a high opinion of myself but because i know what im capable of.

I'm getting there one step at a time, unfortunately, and I have to keep details secret because I don't trust certain people to not try and stop me.


the amount of time u have wasted going against the grain you could have invested into something great. you will regret it later trust me. and in the mean time nobody likes a complainer, nobody wants to be friends with the girl who always has something negative to say.

just my 2 cents and i hope they help.

I know that nobody wants to believe this, but it's all part of my strategy. And hey, maybe my strategy will fail, but at least I'm trying. I'm not just a sheep on my way to eventual slaughter; I'm trying to play the long game. Trust. I'm going to be in this business for decades to come, in one capacity or another.

~BB~

PS: Who said anything about 'friends?' I know I have nothing in common with most other models or trans culture. I'm not surprised by any of their reactions to me. :lol:

[GroobySteven]

I know that nobody wants to believe this, but it's all part of my strategy.


A masterplan. Awesome.

With all due respect Monica. I own one small company, in a small niche in the adult market. If I had to take a guess I'd say our revenues were a healthy 5% of what is spent on online purchases of transsexual website/content. Maybe a bit less.
I don't run this "industry" I run a small boutique style company of around 20-25 fulltime employees and some freelancers.

There are many other larger corporations running transsexual sites as well as a number of companies more similar to ours.

[Jericho]

Can i get a big mac with that?

[BellaBellucci]

A masterplan. Awesome.

With all due respect Monica. I own one small company, in a small niche in the adult market. If I had to take a guess I'd say our revenues were a healthy 5% of what is spent on online purchases of transsexual website/content. Maybe a bit less.
I don't run this "industry" I run a small boutique style company of around 20-25 fulltime employees and some freelancers.

There are many other larger corporations running transsexual sites as well as a number of companies more similar to ours.

Just like I said, you like to wield your power as the largest producer of transsexual content and then deny it when it suits you.

http://cdn.hivehealthmedia.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/flip-flops-plastic-foam.jpg

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

There may be others BUT Shemale Yum & Black Tgirls are the names that ALL THE GIRLS know and its been that way since I sent u that 1st email in 2001.

... and that's why they can focus on quantity instead of quality. The first thing girls are told when they want to get into the business is 'shoot for Yum.' And contrary to Steven's belief, I actually don't even buck that trend. I just let the girls know what they're in for. I figure I may not be able to cage the lion in this case, but I can at least let people know that it's there.

jethro tull - bungle in the jungle - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJhAyg2LTEk)

When popular models like Amy and Kayden (and others) are admitting that they received no direction whatsoever in their very first shoots, but then go on to defend the practice and blame themselves for the inevitably poor results, something's not right. In fact, it strikes me as a sort of hazing.

~BB~

[Jericho]

So, Seanchai's the cockfather?
The Godfather Theme Song - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWqKPWO5T4o)

[BellaBellucci]

So, Seanchai's the cockfather?
The Godfather Theme Song - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWqKPWO5T4o)

Sometimes. It depends on the direction in which the wind blows at any given time.

~BB~