big wedding in Gaza - all brides are under 10 years old

[yosi]

450 couples got married in a wedding arranged by Hamas.

all the brides are underaged.

the year - 2010

Pedophilia is a matter of geography??????

[Coroner]

While I suppose that something like this could happen there, I don´t think these photos support your claim. If you were right, the story would be, due to the extent of its alleged nature (450 couples in a mass marriage!!), quite big in the West. But that´s not the case since you´ll find these pics on private blogs and in e-mails spread around the world by random folks. We know about the arranged marriages with underaged girls but once, I´m sure you´re misrepresenting these photos.

[rameses2]

As long as it's not Gay married, I think most American's we be O.K.:rolleyes::smh.

[Faldur]

Might want to check the validity of that story, not sure it passes the "truth" test.

[thombergeron]

This is false. Obviously.

It took about 45 seconds to confirm that it's false. Here's a blog post from a western journalist who filmed the mass wedding:

http://tinyurl.com/kuzz2l

The short of it is that those (obviously) aren't the brides, they're the younger relations of the grooms. Next time, a minimal effort at researching the subject of your post will make you look less ignorant.

Can someone explain to me the purpose and logic of arbitrarily deciding that 1.5 billion people are existential enemies of the 300 million citizens of the United States, and then deliberately falsifying evidence to support this contention?

[hippifried]

Gotta have somebody to hate, & the French have been quiet lately.

[russtafa]

i allways hate the muslims

[trish]

I hate all those and only those who don't hate themselves.

[hippifried]

Wouldn't want anybody to go without being hated by somebody.
That's a great service you're giving, Trish. Rubber check's in the mail.

[Silcc69]

This is false. Obviously.

It took about 45 seconds to confirm that it's false. Here's a blog post from a western journalist who filmed the mass wedding:

http://tinyurl.com/kuzz2l

The short of it is that those (obviously) aren't the brides, they're the younger relations of the grooms. Next time, a minimal effort at researching the subject of your post will make you look less ignorant.

Can someone explain to me the purpose and logic of arbitrarily deciding that 1.5 billion people are existential enemies of the 300 million citizens of the United States, and then deliberately falsifying evidence to support this contention?

Ask Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity.

[russtafa]

muslim preists also arrange half anhour marraiges

[PomonaCA]

This doesn't pack the truthiness so I'm calling bullshit. Islam is pedophiliac, it has been since Mohammed invented it. But this story just doesn't have the truthiness.

[thombergeron]

muslim preists also arrange half anhour marraiges


Islam is pedophiliac, it has been since Mohammed invented it.

Evidence in support of these crazy-assed assertions would be welcome. My experience has been that those shrieking loudest about Islam are also those who know the least about it.

[Faldur]

Evidence in support of these crazy-assed assertions would be welcome. My experience has been that those shrieking loudest about Islam are also those who know the least about it.

Might want to have a look at this..

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/afghanistan-were-looking-other-way-so

[thombergeron]

Right. The Frontline documentary on the bacha bazi aired last spring, so welcome to the party. If you had actually watched it rather than just googling "muslim" and "pederast," you would be aware that this is a tribal custom among the Tajiks of northern Afghanistan, not an Islamic practice. Furthermore, the story is newsworthy because bacha bazi has seen a re-emergence since the Taliban was ousted from power. Homosexuality is still haraam in Taliban-controlled areas.

What you have offered is an entirely inadequate standard of evidence. PomonaCA asserts that Mohammed established pedophilia as a principle of Islam. To support this assertion, one would need to come up with a Koranic citation. Such a citation does not exist.

By your standard, one could make a far stronger case that Catholicism is pedophiliac, and that it has been since Simon Peter invented it. But obviously, that's stupid, too.

[PomonaCA]

Evidence in support of these crazy-assed assertions would be welcome. My experience has been that those shrieking loudest about Islam are also those who know the least about it.


Aisha. His 7 year old wife. But don't worry, he didn't penetrate her until she was 10. Classy guy.

Aisha was so young in fact that even in the years leading up to the Caliphate, many Islamic scholars considered her age to be a sign of her purity.

Sounds pedophilic to me.

[Faldur]

Slap a burka on da bitch and call her your wife.. (and later if she pisses you off, kill her.. It's your Islamic right)

[thombergeron]

You guys continue to distinguish yourselves from an intellectual perspective.

You have the story of Aisha totally wrong, but that's not surprising when everything you know about Islam you learned from Glenn Beck.

No one knows how old Aisha was. Some scholars believe that she was 6 or 7 and that the marriage was consummated when she was 9 or 10. Others believe that she was betrothed at 15 or 16 and that the marriage was consummated when she was 19 or 20. The early Hadiths tend to support the former view, though not for the reason you cite, while the historical record indicates that the latter timeline is more accurate.

Your standard of evidence continues to be quite poor. You are, of course, aware that many biblical scholars, drawing from the Apocrypha, believe that Mary Mother of God was 12 when the temple elders gave her to Joseph, who was 90 at the time. So, again by your standard, we find that Christianity is also pedophilliac and has been since its inception.

[thombergeron]

Just to be clear, your reference to obscure and controversial hadiths rather than actual koranic verse is an acknowledgment that you haven't actually read the Koran, correct?

[PomonaCA]

Aisha. His 7 year old wife. But don't worry, he didn't penetrate her until she was 10. Classy guy.

Aisha was so young in fact that even in the years leading up to the Caliphate, many Islamic scholars considered her age to be a sign of her purity.

Sounds pedophilic to me.

[yosi]

Just to be clear, your reference to obscure and controversial hadiths rather than actual koranic verse is an acknowledgment that you haven't actually read the Koran, correct?


we see those who believe in the Koran actions : suicide bombers in the name of Muhamad and the quiet majority who never say anything about it or against it .

we see what happens to those who dare to critisize Islam , ask Salman Rushdi about it - he has to hide for his life.

[thombergeron]

Look, I'm just tired of the insistent ignorance so conspicuously on display here. You want to criticize Islam? Great! But can you do so in a relatively informed fashion? All this "my Bronze Age cult is better than your Bronze Age cult" is stupid and boring.

You started this thread with an obviously false story about child brides in Gaza. PomonaCA is so poorly informed on the topic that he's cutting and pasting his own posts. On a neighboring thread, Chief1860 made some strange and unfocused charge about the origin of the Cordoba Initiative's name by cutting and pasting an innocuous paragraph from some poor unidentified academic's web site. Russtafa doesn't even attempt an informed comment, prefering instead to just drop bigoted and bloodthirsty nonsequiters.

I'm not a muslim. By and large, I think Islam is a bunch of fucked-up nonsense. But at least I read a couple of books about it. I just don't understand the appeal of waving around your ignorance like a flag.

So before you mouth-breathers post again, read the Koran (it's OK to read it in English, no scary brown people are going to kill you). Read A History of the Arab Peoples by Albert Hourani. Then top it off with Orientalism by Edward Said.

[PomonaCA]

The islam sympathizing continues.

Xinjiang- Islamic terrorists trying to steal Chinese territory and turn it into an Islamic state.

Israel- Well, pretty obvious isn't it? Jews were in Israel before Islam was around and before Muhammed was born.

Southern Thailand- Peace loving muslims are trying to car bomb their way to stealing Thai land and establishing a (you guessed it!) Islamic state.

Chechnya- Peace loving Muslims trying to steal Russian land and establish a peace loving Islamic state.

Dagestan- Islamic terrorists trying to create a breakaway islamic republic

Kashmir- Peace loving Muslims trying to wrest Kashmir away from independence and turn it into an Islamic state.

Afghanistan- Taliban setup a peace loving Islamic state (Unless you're counting burka's) which, despite Bill Clinton's efforts to support the Taliban, is put down by the great warlord, George W Bush.

Phillipines- Peace loving Muslims trying to breakaway and setup a peace loving Islamic state in mindinao.

Algeria, Morroco, Spain, Kosovo, NYC.

The other argument is.... bu.....bu....bu.... but Christians!

[yosi]

I'm not a muslim. By and large, I think Islam is a bunch of fucked-up nonsense. But at least I read a couple of books about it. I just don't understand the appeal of waving around your ignorance like a flag.

So before you mouth-breathers post again, read the Koran (it's OK to read it in English, no scary brown people are going to kill you). Read A History of the Arab Peoples by Albert Hourani. Then top it off with Orientalism by Edward Said.

I didn't read the Koran , both of us came to the same conclusion.....

Islam is a bunch of fucked-up nonsense.

you don't judge poeple or a religion by their books , you judge by their actions .

if these actions are caused by reading this book ....

[circ]

Child raping Seventh day Adventists and Catholics read the bible too. What's your point? Xinjiang - No they aren't. Israel - And before the jews there were others, like Akkadians. Fucking jew thieves? Thailand - Really? Last I heard people were protesting against a dictatorship. Chechnya - You don't mean the bombs planted according to strong evidence, by russian intelligence, do you? I could go on, but since you don't seem to know anything in depth about any of the conflicts, what's the point, as for example, last I checked, the war in Afghanistan was still ongoing. And why bring up Christians? If you really want, I'll pull up historic and current examples of conflicts where Christian warmongers are involved. I don't care if tootsie roll religion so and so is more peaceful than the other on paper. You gotta come up with something other than utter bullshit to claim a worldwide muslim invasion.

[russtafa]

I wish muslims were never allowed to immigrate to Australia.Australia now has a middle eastern police crime task force and the majority of inmates in jail are middle eastern

[PomonaCA]

I wish muslims were never allowed to immigrate to Australia.Australia now has a middle eastern police crime task force and the majority of inmates in jail are middle eastern


Welcome to white people justice.

[russtafa]

If it was islamic justice all christians would be in jail no matter the colour and the systematic rape of christian women

[circ]

Oh shit. Where do I sign up for white man crusade? Protect our kitchen whores erm I mean women and churches!

[russtafa]

Mighty crusade.i hope it starts soon

[hippifried]

Zoooooom!!!
Right over the head.

[thombergeron]

Xinjiang- Islamic terrorists trying to steal Chinese territory and turn it into an Islamic state.

You see what being insistently and loudly ignorant gets you? You end up defending the Chinese dictatorship in its suppression of a (secular) native self-determination movement. I guess you could say that the Uighurs want to "steal Chinese land," as long as you ignore the fact that the People's Liberation Army stole it in 1949.


Afghanistan- Taliban setup a peace loving Islamic state (Unless you're counting burka's) which, despite Ronald Reagan's efforts to support the Taliban, is put down by the great warlord, George W Bush.

Fixed that for you.

The great warlord George W. Bush disagrees with you about the Uighurs, by the way. Of course, I'm totally shocked that you didn't know that.

[thombergeron]

I didn't read the Koran , both of us came to the same conclusion.....

Islam is a bunch of fucked-up nonsense.


It seems a lot more like your conclusion is that Islam is an existential threat to Western civilization, and that by its very nature it represents a singular threat to human freedom and dignity. That's significantly different from my conclusion.

Maybe if you did some reading and allowed yourself a little education and perspective, you wouldn't come across as such a pollyanna.

[notdrunk]

Fixed that for you.

The great warlord George W. Bush disagrees with you about the Uighurs, by the way. Of course, I'm totally shocked that you didn't know that.

If you are claiming to fix something, you need to make sure that you are right yourself. There is no credible information that Reagan supported the Taliban. Furthermore, and importantly, the Taliban didn't appear on the scene until the early 90s.

[thombergeron]

Yeah, sorry about that. I was having fun with the simpleton.

Though you are correct that the Taliban didn't appear on the scene until 1996, Ronald Reagan did in fact direct the CIA to provide funds, weapons, and logistical support to the Afghan mujahideen in the 1980s, and certainly many of those same fighters and warlords are now with Taliban, i.e. Abdul Ghani Baradar, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, Jalaluddin Haqqani, etc. The Reagan administration's support of the mujahideen has been extensively documented. Ghost Wars by Steve Coll is comprehensive and approachable; also won the Pulitzer.

The worst you can say about Clinton's Afghan policy is that he ignored it, so it's entirely false to say that Bill Clinton "supported" the Taliban. Ronald Reagan, on the other hand, did indeed support the guys who went on to become the Taliban.

[russtafa]

I think if you check its not unkown for child brides in the middle east .I know all you hippies,liberals and communists to hate the fact lol

[hippifried]

Well actually, '96 is when they captured Kandahar & started their push for Kabul & other points northeast. They'd been at it since '94. They'd been around as a sect of clerical students & teachers, & sometimes warriors, for at least a century that Europeans can verify.

The reason nobody was worried early on was because they were seen as a liberation movement. They were rescuing rape victims & taking out the worst of the warlords. They cleaned up some trade routes & whatnot. Everybody thought they were the good guys at first. By the time anybody figured out what they were really about, they were well on their way to taking control of the southern 2/3 of Afghanistan. They really went off the deep end.

[hippifried]

In late 1957, Jerry Lee Lewis (22) married his 13 year old 1st cousin once removed. The State of Louisiana shrugged it off because it was not uncommon. Marriage that young & younger wasn't all that uncommon anywhere in the US until after WWII. We've been constantly raising the age of majority since then. Normal age for the onset of menses is 10 to 12. Boys hit puberty at 12 to 14. What constitutes a child?

[russtafa]

Thats america where anything goes and England gave him the boot

[thombergeron]

I think if you check its not unkown for child brides in the middle east .I know all you hippies,liberals and communists to hate the fact lol

I think if you check, it's not unknown for Catholic priests to rape children in Australia. I know all you mouthbreathers hate the fact that what you condemn in others also exists in yourself.

[trish]

Edgar Allen Poe married his 13 year old cousin, Virginia Clemm, when he was 26. This was quite respectable in Baltimore at the time, as well as in England, Europe and many other places around the world. Today, pious "orthodox" Mormon men have multiple wives and 13 is not a uncommon age for a woman in a Mormon compound to enter wedlock.

[russtafa]

I think if you check, it's not unknown for Catholic priests to rape children in Australia. I know all you mouthbreathers hate the fact that what you condemn in others also exists in yourself.
I was talking about legal marriage not molesting young children unless thats legal in america two:screwy