Definition of "Porn Star"

[shemale-411]

A recent thread made me start wondering. Is there some point when someone should be considered/call themself a "porn star" ? I mean back when I first started, the web wasnt that big, and you had definite lines. I worked for Summer Cummings, Skye Blue, around Brittany Andrews and others, and there was no doubt, they were Porn Stars. They had a list of films, box covers, centerfolds, so there was no question...porn stars!

Now I've probably been in 7 -10 videos when in LA, dozens of photoshoots for websites I worked for, interviewed for documentary on Playboy TV, but I don't consider myself a porn star, cause I'm not. I'm just a webmaster who stood in on some fetish shoots, and had some fun and got paid.

I've heard Howard Stern discuss a similar topic about all the women who have done some webwork, and label themselves "models" He has the perspective of being married to a model to go on.

So just throwing it out there, what makes a porn star nowadays? A few shoots on the web, or is there some star quality and volume of work that makes girls like Yasmin Lee, Hazel Tucker, Olivia Love, and others stars?

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[BellaBellucci]

A pornstar is anyone who stars in porn, hence the name. And you have issues with the word 'model,' too? I guess you could say we're porn actors and actresses then, but then we do very little actual acting and I'd hate to piss off the Tom Cruises and Christian Bales of the world. So what are girls who aren't Yasmine, Hazel, and Olivia supposed to call ourselves?

I don't think you really care though because in all honesty, it doesn't really matter. We all use the terminology that best serves the industry at large. If the trend is to call everyone a star, so be it. If it's to call them a wing-dang-doodle, then we'll call them that. So I think you're just stirring the pot. There's no faster, more effective way to get a group of emotionally vulnerable individuals to divide themselves up than to throw around arbitrary labels.

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~BB~

[AllanahStarrNYC]

In my opinion, until you have actually several films, covers, and have a body of work, website, fan base you are not a bonafied 'star'. You maybe be popular yes, but I think a resume is what speaks here.

Otherwise porn actress, model, or porn starlet is more apt.

I don't mean any shade by this but it seems that the term 'star' is thrown around these days so that anyone who has modeled for one website or done one film calls themselves a porn star.

The group of girls I came up with- Gia Darling, Danielle Foxxx, Joanna Jet, Wendy Williams, Vicki Richter were the most prolific of that time and obviously are big stars and there is a whole group of girls now coming up now who are of course the new stars.

[aShemalesboyfriend]

I visit Lana Hilton later, but I am not into girls I saw getting gangbanged and stuff, that much. I will see, but I think I wont suck her after I saw her fucking multiple guys in porn

Ok I am trolling again ( ;

Pornstar, hmmm if you see a girl in the web in previews and stuff a lot she probably is a pornstar ( :

[GroobySteven]

A pornstar is anyone who stars in porn, hence the name.

Huh - yeah agreeing with Bella here.
If you've starred and been paid to be in a DVD or porn scenes, then you are a porn star.
The rest is all just elitist bullshit. There have been winners of AVN awards who've barely starred in porn!

[shemale-411]

Allanah, thank you, and you would definitely fall under star ( actually superstar) . I am of the same general thought. I also think it's one thing to do a few photoshoots and have someone call you a porn star, nothing wrong there it happens, but to do a few and crown yourslef one is kinda bold.

I've been involved in this business 13 or so years. I know there is no clear definition here, was just feeling my old school upbringing in this business coming out. Thank you again.


In my opinion, until you have actually several films, covers, and have a body of work, website, fan base you are not a bonafied 'star'. You maybe be popular yes, but I think a resume is what speaks here.

Otherwise porn actress, model, or porn starlet is more apt.

I don't mean any shade by this but it seems that the term 'star' is thrown around these days so that anyone who has modeled for one website or done one film calls themselves a porn star.

The group of girls I came up with- Gia Darling, Danielle Foxxx, Joanna Jet, Wendy Williams, Vicki Richter were the most prolific of that time and obviously are big stars and there is a whole group of girls now coming up now who are of course the new stars.

[BellaBellucci]

Huh - yeah agreeing with Bella here.
If you've starred and been paid to be in a DVD or porn scenes, then you are a porn star.
The rest is all just elitist bullshit. There have been winners of AVN awards who've barely starred in porn!

Thanks for that. I can only imagine how painful it was for you. :lol:

~BB~

[Jericho]

A pornstar is anyone who stars in porn, hence the name. ~BB~


Huh - yeah agreeing with Bella here.


Just QFT in case it never happens again.
Now, if we can get Nicole to agree....

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[BellaBellucci]

... but to do a few and crown yourslef one is kinda bold.

No. Not really. What's a girl who intends to stay in the business supposed to call herself? A wannabe? A pornnoob? A nobody? That type of 'marketing' is not exactly going to have the DVD's flying off the shelves and into the hands of frenzied consumers. We're trying to sell a sort-of glamour product here. I don't think underselling ourselves is going to help, do you?

But I'd definitely agree that the big names, Allanah included, and for her reasons, would have to be considered 'superstars.' The rest of us are just 'stars.'

~BB~

[rockabilly]

Idk , "Pornnoobs w/ small boobs"* has a nice ring to it.

* copyright Rockabilly

[Nicole Dupre]

There's no faster, more effective way to get a group of emotionally vulnerable individuals to divide themselves up than to throw around arbitrary labels.


Who are these emotional cripples you feel the need to go to bat for constantly? What's wrong with there being winners and losers? Should we call off the Olympics because there are so many fatties in the world? I really hate this Dr Phil bullshit you're taking it upon yourself to "help create within the niche". Who are you helping, other than yourself or these mythological transbian man-hating tree-huggers with esteem issues? I'm dying to know.

I love stars. I love the idea that there are stars. It gives people something to strive for. It's competition, which is part of life. You act like everyone is either handed something in life or they're being cheated out of it. I'm not talking about Show Girls and rolling marbles across the the stage so someone breaks their neck. I'm just talking about celebrating success and achievements. What's wrong with the cream rising to the top? What's wrong with saying "that girl is prettier than the other girls"? I feel like I'm listening to Charles Manson bitch about not getting a record contract.

Bella, are you a communist or something? lol

[BellaBellucci]

Who are these emotional cripples you feel the need to go to bat for constantly? What's wrong with there being winners and losers? Should we call off the Olympics because there are so many fatties in the world? I really hate this Dr Phil bullshit you're taking it upon yourself to "help create within the niche". Who are you helping, other than yourself or these mythological transbian man-hating tree-huggers with esteem issues? I'm dying to know.

I love stars. I love the idea that there are stars. It gives people something to strive for. It's competition, which is part of life. You act like everyone is either handed something in life or they're being cheated out of it. I'm not talking about Show Girls and rolling marbles across the the stage so someone breaks their neck. I'm just talking about celebrating success and achievements. What's wrong with the cream rising to the top? What's wrong with saying "that girl is prettier than the other girls"? I feel like I'm listening to Charles Manson bitch about not getting a record contract.

Bella, are you a communist or something? lol

I love how you so conveniently ignored this statement:


We're trying to sell a sort-of glamour product here. I don't think underselling ourselves is going to help, do you?

But I'd definitely agree that the big names, Allanah included, and for her reasons, would have to be considered 'superstars.' The rest of us are just 'stars.'

Have a great holiday weekend Nicole. :geek:

~BB~

[Nicole Dupre]

I love how you so conveniently ignored this statement:



Have a great holiday weekend Nicole. :geek:

~BB~
Oh, I see. There are "superstars" and "stars". How about "mega stars" or "super-duper stars". lol

Split hairs all you want, but you never told me who the "emotionally vulnerable" people are, who the "girls who shot once and were scared to show their faces out in public afterward" are, and how Yum puts anyone in a "world of hurt". Those are all pretty outrageous claims, if you don't even bother trying to back them up. I'm not trying to stir shit. I'm asking you to be more clear and accurate. If you can't, it just sounds like a pity party of one. I dunno. They're interesting concepts, but they sound far-fetched.

[sunairco]

I think there is another consideration here that nobody seems to be acknowledging. There's been a paradigm change in media with the net. What it meant to be a star at one time has changed much like journalism. Countless blogs and website offering reportage and news analysis to a much smaller, specialized demographic. They may have degrees in international relations, statistical analysis, lobbyists, lawyers, to a landscaper. They all have their unique perspective on current events and an audience, They have access to raw and unfiltered news from the net. What's the difference between a news blogger/blog and a journalist involved with old media broadcast or print now? Should they be denied access and press credentials soley because they work in a virtual media and didn't rise up through the institutional ranks with journalist credentials? Are they reporters or journalists? They reach a target audience, they have commercial sponsors, they deliver a quality product that even institutional media sources. So too in this business. Low overhead working out of a den or even bedroom. Low budget shoots in a cheap motel, webmaster that still lives with his parents in a protracted adolescent state working in his underwear, working with inexpensive talent hoping to get recognized and inexpensive crew recruited from visual arts majors or graduates that are looking for some work. Technology and the net has democratically leveled the playing field to nobodys without any form of pedigree. It doesn't take any special apprenticeship or training to become a photogenic and endowed perfromer in pr0n. This isn't method acting or requires training in the performance arts. It's endurance and endowment that counts. The TS world requires passability and endowment. Not exactly qualities that can be obtained by working your way up the ranks and developing a portfolio of shoots and filmographies. You either have the endowment or not and the passability to a great extent is surgically attained. Marketable lifespan is relatively short b4 aging and lifestyle take their tolls on appearances. This isn't Hollywood that itself is feeling similar chalenges already. Porn Star, Journalist, even Rock Star along with many other professions can no longer be defined in the traditional sense of established seniority and a body of previous accomplishments. Being a seasoned professional with a fan base is less relavent anymore.

[Nicole Dupre]

I think there is another consideration here that nobody seems to be acknowledging. There's been a paradigm change in media with the net. What it meant to be a star at one time has changed much like journalism. Countless blogs and website offering reportage and news analysis to a much smaller, specialized demographic. They may have degrees in international relations, statistical analysis, lobbyists, lawyers, to a landscaper. They all have their unique perspective on current events and an audience, They have access to raw and unfiltered news from the net. What's the difference between a news blogger/blog and a journalist involved with old media broadcast or print now? Should they be denied access and press credentials soley because they work in a virtual media and didn't rise up through the institutional ranks with journalist credentials? Are they reporters or journalists? They reach a target audience, they have commercial sponsors, they deliver a quality product that even institutional media sources. So too in this business. Low overhead working out of a den or even bedroom. Low budget shoots in a cheap motel, webmaster that still lives with his parents in a protracted adolescent state working in his underwear, working with inexpensive talent hoping to get recognized and inexpensive crew recruited from visual arts majors or graduates that are looking for some work. Technology and the net has democratically leveled the playing field to nobodys without any form of pedigree. It doesn't take any special apprenticeship or training to become a photogenic and endowed perfromer in pr0n. This isn't method acting or requires training in the performance arts. It's endurance and endowment that counts. The TS world requires passability and endowment. Not exactly qualities that can be obtained by working your way up the ranks and developing a portfolio of shoots and filmographies. You either have the endowment or not and the passability to a great extent is surgically attained. Marketable lifespan is relatively short b4 aging and lifestyle take their tolls on appearances. This isn't Hollywood that itself is feeling similar chalenges already. Porn Star, Journalist, even Rock Star along with many other professions can no longer be defined in the traditional sense of established seniority and a body of previous accomplishments. Being a seasoned professional with a fan base is less relavent anymore.

I don't necessarily disagree with what you're saying about a paradigm change in media with the net. But then you made a good amount of sweeping generalizations and understatements.

Professional wrestlers are not quite method actors, but they are entertainers and it is theater, whether it impresses and entertains you or not. Rap stars aren't exactly classically trained musicians, but they are performers whose medium is sound. There will always be a DIY and amateur approach in every creative medium, just as there will be a more classical, refined approach. But at the end of the day, keeping people's interest and making a lasting impression is what determines success.

Porn stars are more like athletes than they are method actors, but that doesn't mean they can't or won't be in demand, whether it impresses you personally or not. Summing it up as an industry filled with webmasters who "still live with their parents in a protracted adolescent state working in their underwear, working with inexpensive talent hoping to get recognized and inexpensive crew recruited from visual arts majors or graduates that are looking for some work" is pretty inaccurate and offensive. If it's all so damn easy, maybe you should cut yourself in for some of this easy money, and see where you get with it. ;)

[tsmandy]

My legs are sore from fucking in strange artificial positions all day. I need a massage.

[LibertyHarkness]

i dont want to be a pornstar, I want to be a Porn Icon :) pornstar is so 90s :)

But I agree someone that has done a few DVDs, done a reasonable amount of scenes for sites ..had a nomination at least for something maybe ...but ultimately who really gives a fuck ... Is it bold to call yourself a pornstar nahh i dont think so as along as you can actually back it up with at least of shot in more than 1 DVD and 1 site ...

Myself i call myself the Queen of English Shemale Porn , Bold yes but fortune favours the bold ..

My two cents on it :)

[SammiValentine]

i want to clean windows at asda

[SammiValentine]

p.s you got the queen bit right :D :D :D

[WendyWilliams]

i dont want to be a pornstar, I want to be a Porn Icon :) pornstar is so 90s :)

But I agree someone that has done a few DVDs, done a reasonable amount of scenes for sites ..had a nomination at least for something maybe ...but ultimately who really gives a fuck ... Is it bold to call yourself a pornstar nahh i dont think so as along as you can actually back it up with at least of shot in more than 1 DVD and 1 site ...

Myself i call myself the Queen of English Shemale Porn , Bold yes but fortune favours the bold ..

My two cents on it :)


Bold indeed considering Joanna Jet is by far the biggest Shemale Pornstar of England...............but hey people can call themselves anything these days and believe it.

[LibertyHarkness]

as i say fortune favours the bold :) ultimately its all about self promotion and bigging yourself up to a fanbase, to create an illusion, a fantasy character that is larger than life ..

Also good job for me Joanna is one of my closet friends I work with eh :)

Liberty xx

[WendyWilliams]

as i say fortune favours the bold :) ultimately its all about self promotion and bigging yourself up to a fanbase, to create an illusion, a fantasy character that is larger than life ..

Also good job for me Joanna is one of my closet friends I work with eh :)

Liberty xx


Yea but usually most people dont buy into fantasy its REALITY that benefits us the most.

Of course its a good job, Joanna is one of the most educated, talented pre,post production and talent individuals ANYONE could ever have the pleasure to learn from. If it wasnt for Joanna Jet I wouldnt have the SUCCESS I have today but one thing she taught me was to always remember to be humble and stay true to myself.

[Aimee]

If a movie star is a head liner, somone who is the first or second name on the bill and pulls in the punters then surly a porn star is the same thing? It's one of those terms though that no one can really define thought. As I try to think of it now I'm trying to think of Hollywood Actors who wouldn't be classed as 'Stars' but I can't and maybe that the point. If you're ask somone to name a porn star then whoever they name is seen as a porn star to them even if they are not to you. there doesn't always need to be a concensus as it comes down to perspective.

[BellaBellucci]

Oh, I see. There are "superstars" and "stars". How about "mega stars" or "super-duper stars". lol

The point, which I thought was kind of obvious, is that there are some girls who have extensive bodies of work ('superstars') and those that do not but have done some work - starring - in adult productions. Look, just because Tom Cruise is a bigger star than say, Tom Arnold, that doesn't mean that Tom Arnold isn't also a star. The names are irrelevant, but I think there are two, and only two levels of porn stardom. Like Seanchai said, 'the rest is elitist bullshit.'


My legs are sore from fucking in strange artificial positions all day. I need a massage.

Now that's Pornstar. :rock2


...but hey people can call themselves anything these days and believe it.

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~BB~

[Aimee]

Re: Tom Arnold above,

I've not heard of him so wouldn't class him as a star but Bella obviously has. Goes back to my point that it is all about the perspective of who you ask.

[BellaBellucci]

Re: Tom Arnold above,

I've not heard of him so wouldn't class him as a star but Bella obviously has. Goes back to my point that it is all about the perspective of who you ask.

Actually, he was originally famous for marrying Roseanne Barr and being on her show, but then he achieved some fame in his own right by starring in a string of movies, perhaps most notably True Lies with Arnold Schwarzenegger, hosting Pardon The Interruption on ESPN [EDIT: Sorry, he was on 'Best Damn Sports Show' on Fox] for a while, and he even owned a piece of Planet Hollywood. You may not have heard of him across the pond, but he's most certainly famous here in the states. Again, not Tom Cruise famous, but famous.

~BB~

[sunairco]

"Summing it up as an industry filled with webmasters who "still live with their parents in a protracted adolescent state working in their underwear, working with inexpensive talent hoping to get recognized and inexpensive crew recruited from visual arts majors or graduates that are looking for some work" is pretty inaccurate and offensive."

Nicole, I meant for this to be an offensive generalization for a reason. This to some degree is still a public perception of virtual commerce and also the image stoked by established media,professions,Brick & Mortars, and anyone else in the old physical world that's threatened by it. Wittness the vicious attacks on political bloggers by Palin, the attacks by medical and pharma about where people get their medical information, the recording industry, etc. Products and services developed and distributed in the virtual world using new technologies and unconventional resources are somehow illegitimate and potentially dangerous. Just trying to make the point with the stereotype advanced by the institutional world. After all, isn't the entire system of "tubes" ruled by a bunch of 14 year old social misfits that wear plastic framed glasses fixed in the nose bridge with adhesive tape?

[Nicole Dupre]

After all, isn't the entire system of "tubes" ruled by a bunch of 14 year old social misfits that wear plastic framed glasses fixed in the nose bridge with adhesive tape? God, I sure hope so. At least if one of those tubes busted open and spewed cyber sludge into the atmosphere, one of those little dweebs would probably figure out how to patch it.

[Nicole Dupre]

The point, which I thought was kind of obvious, is that there are some girls who have extensive bodies of work ('superstars') and those that do not but have done some work - starring - in adult productions. Look, just because Tom Cruise is a bigger star than say, Tom Arnold, that doesn't mean that Tom Arnold isn't also a star. The names are irrelevant, but I think there are two, and only two levels of porn stardom. Like Seanchai said, 'the rest is elitist bullshit.'


That's fucking retarded. You aren't creating a star level for Pauly Shore or Carrot Top. Tom Arnold was at least in Austin Powers.

Anyway, what are the emotionally vulnerable brick-faced hermits who regret doing a damn Yum shoot? Are you saying that they're stars too? I think you just want to get your foot into the "star door". Vaniity is a super star. So are a handful of others. Hazel is a pretty big star. Kimberly Kills is more of a rising star at this point.

... and then... there's you. lol

See that? There's four categories right there, of girls who have done TS porn.

[shemale-411]

This all started with me reading a thread from one guy asking if anyone had met any pornstars. Alot of guys popped in and gave their 2 cents, then we had one girl who has done a few shoots jump in.

Now I'm old school, and there does seem to be a school of thought that you earn stardom. And for whats its worth, IMHO, a few shoots does not make you a star, but thats my opinion.

Then there seems to be another school of thought that to the bold goes the fame, and you have to give some credit to that. But if you talk the talk, I hope you can walk the walk.

I've seen people get really far in this business with hard work, and some humility and grace.

Doing a few shoots and pissing off alot of people in the process is a different approach, time will only tell if it's a new recipe for success.

[LibertyHarkness]

common sense prevails ....in all business whatever the niche... marketing is the key thing in any venture ..

pissing people off well thats not a massively bad thing in some senses...the only people you dont want to piss off to much are your fans that is all .. fans make money ..unless your basing a business model purely on working for others then yes i guess you want to remain neutral ...

[giovanni_hotel]

Any girl who makes me involuntarily jerk it, has major 'star shine' in my book!! This happens when I'm watching a vid, it happens once in a while looking at a girl's pic on HA.

So in that regard, I'd classify more than a few tgirls who my not be world famous, every bit the 'porn star'.

[sunairco]

"time will only tell if it's a new recipe for success."

One only needs to look to the past for the direction of the future. DVD's and conventional media such as tapes and magazines have seen better days and are but obsolete. Just as with conventional media and established studios and labels, the growth is not in mass appeal but diversification and direct marketing to target audiences. The net makes direct delivery to those niche markets identified possible in ways old media couldn't tap or thought unprofitable to cater to a minority demographic. Star appeal/Image branding will be less sustainable in such a diversified market. Other selective pressures such as maximizing profit with the use of inexpensive talent and offshore production custom tailored to provide content for these niche markets further dilutes the pool with continuous new faces and talent. We've already seen this displacement by Brazillian and Asian content over the past decade or so. A studio using bankable, domestic talent (stars) and production facillites that distribute DVD's through conventional channels is a model that can no longer compete. The studios that will survive now buy overseas content and distribute over the net. It's possible to now market to a specialty niche such as unendowed Fillipina shemales wearing argyle socks and their hair died red that perform specific sex acts and deliver it directly to a customer for a profit (I can hear Steven laughing and shaking his head). Yes, it's an oversimplification again, but the point is the growth markets are in diversification and target audiences. People have come to expect the tailored product over the one size fits the largest audience model. Is there room for a "star", of course. Not in the ways of the past though. Self promotion at blogs, appearances, and a large body of work will promote the brand. At what point will this brand/starpower convince the customer that you're providing a value-added product over a less expensive generic one using unknown perfromers? The stimulation is the same with the added benefit of much more variability. So unless a customer has bought into your brand and part of that stimulation is derived from your persona, there's a lot out there competing for his dollar. Stars were created by a system that told you what you wanted and delivered a product MOST of you would accept. That's become inverted. The customer now has the power to choose what he wants and there's an available pool of product for him to select from or will cater to his specific interests for his money (think webcams or interactive media). To be a star in this paradigm, you have deliver what he wants. Mass appeal,working up from the bottom and establishing one's self as a predictable product was old media's model driven by calculated risks. It still works at enormous cost and overhead with screen actors,authors, and musicians. To sustain it, old media has to exercise artifical control to muscle out or exclude new media and control end user access by means of DRM, litigation,distribution, and propagandize the deligitimization of all those outside of old media. The past shows us that is no longer sustainable.

[tsmandy]

The other night, I was hanging out with my girlfriend and Princess Donna after leaving a bar and this akward drunk tranny followed us back to Donna's place uninvited. At one point she said that I was the most famous person she knew. We all ignored her, but then (because I like to tease Donna ) I pointed out to Donna that this girl just said I was more famous then she was. Donna said she "died a little on the inside" when the other TS said this and we all laughed, except for the annoying drunk TS who was ruining the fun.

I have friends who are pornstars, girls like Donna or Hollie Stevens who have an enormous fanbase, and have at times moved through celebrity culture with an air of belonging. Me, I'm just trying to make my rent and build my business.

Stardom is only a tool to sell product. People should remember that.

[Nicole Dupre]

In my heart, I'm an exhibitionist and a nympho. If it translates into monetary success, that's fine. If not, I'll basically be doing the same thing behind closed doors. For me, it's mostly about fucking. I truly look forward to getting good head at least once a day.

[bellamy]

Actually, he was originally famous for marrying Roseanne Barr and being on her show, but then he achieved some fame in his own right by starring in a string of movies, perhaps most notably True Lies with Arnold Schwarzenegger, hosting Pardon The Interruption on ESPN for a while, and he even owned a piece of Planet Hollywood. You may not have heard of him across the pond, but he's most certainly famous here in the states. Again, not Tom Cruise famous, but famous.

~BB~

Not ot get off track here but Tom Arnold never did PTI. He was one if the host of the sports show on Fox called "The Best Damn Sports Show".

As for the pornstar thing, I think that in this day and age where everyone wants to be looked at as a star if you want to call yourself a Porn Star go ahead but what being called a "star" is and will continue to be deminished as time goes.

[rockabilly]

Is there a screen actors guild for porn actors/actress's ?

[Nicole Dupre]

Is there a screen actors guild for porn actors/actress's ?
I'd love to see James Lipton interview Ron Jeremy. lol

[rockabilly]

Well Ron was in "The Boondock Saints" and Troma's "Terror Firmer" .
His characters always get killed off no matter what movie he does.

"Inside the Pornographers Studio" would be an interesting show lol.

edit - Oh and he did "Orgazmo" among others but those are the only ones that stand out to me.

[Jericho]

Even the IMDB list old Ron

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000465/

[BellaBellucci]

That's fucking retarded. You aren't creating a star level for Pauly Shore or Carrot Top. Tom Arnold was at least in Austin Powers.

Anyway, what are the emotionally vulnerable brick-faced hermits who regret doing a damn Yum shoot? Are you saying that they're stars too? I think you just want to get your foot into the "star door". Vaniity is a super star. So are a handful of others. Hazel is a pretty big star. Kimberly Kills is more of a rising star at this point.

... and then... there's you. lol

See that? There's four categories right there, of girls who have done TS porn.

Can't you ever just disagree without making everything needlessly nasty and personal? Grow up.

~BB~

PS: Last time I checked I had more work with majors under my belt than you do, so your opinion is counterintuitive at best and antagonistic for the sake of antagonism at worst.

[BellaBellucci]

Doing a few shoots and pissing off alot of people in the process is a different approach, time will only tell if it's a new recipe for success.

I didn't piss off 'a lot' of people. I pissed off people with posses. And I did it by simply standing up for what I believe in. It doesn't take much to make enemies around here and I'm not the one who resorts to scorched earth techniques every time I disagree with someone. One of them actually agreed with me in this thread. If people want to hate on me because I have self respect and I think that every girl should, then I'm doing the right thing. So... if you're so brilliant, you'll answer the original question: what are people who star in porn supposed to call themselves? Props? You need to grow up too.


pissing people off well thats not a massively bad thing in some senses...the only people you dont want to piss off to much are your fans that is all .. fans make money ..unless your basing a business model purely on working for others then yes i guess you want to remain neutral ...

'Nuff said.

Not to mention that this was the original question:


whether gg or ts? I wanted to know if anyone who did said the cliche: ' I used to wank over your films!' has anyone ever said that to them? How do they feel? Flattered? Embarrased? Disgusted? Or just sorry for the saddo, because the industry attracts such types?

Only the title mentioned 'porn stars,' but the question was about whether or not a guy should tell a girl that he saw her in porn. I responded that people have told me that they have. What's your issue exactly brainchild? Just trolling for trouble, huh?




Stardom is only a tool to sell product. People should remember that.

Exactly! Thank you! :geek:


Not ot get off track here but Tom Arnold never did PTI. He was one if the host of the sports show on Fox called "The Best Damn Sports Show".

Whoops! I stand corrected. What do you want from me? I'm a girl! LOL


As for the pornstar thing, I think that in this day and age where everyone wants to be looked at as a star if you want to call yourself a Porn Star go ahead but what being called a "star" is and will continue to be deminished as time goes.

And I agree with that, but just because some people don't like that the definition of something has changed, that doesn't give them the right to be in denial about it and hold themselves as better than everyone else in their industry based on that outdated definition and that's precisely what some stars, some of whom who are at the ends of their careers and need to learn how to let go, are doing to the girls who are attempting to replace them. Most people here grant them a 'superstar' title or something similar but it still makes them feel better to look down on the girls who are just coming up. It's pathetic. You're only as good as your last shoot.

YouTube- Bruce Springsteen - Glory Days (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vQpW9XRiyM)

~BB~

[Nicole Dupre]

Oh Bella, stop trying to placate me, and change the subject. You called yourself a "pornstar". Ok. Personally, I think that's a bit of a stretch, but you have done porn. Either way, I didn't initiate discussing your porn resume. You did. If you want to use yourself as an example in a discussion, who's made it personal? lol

If someone needs to grow up, it's the tranny who says all the wacky shit that she can't really back up. For example, you really can't explain how Seanchai and Grooby put anyone in a "world of hurt". When you say something like that, you're pretty much attacking every company who gives anyone a first shoot.

Then you said there are girls who are afraid to leave the house after doing a one-time Yum shoot. But on another thread, we're somehow all "porn stars" and any other other way of looking at it is "elitist bullshit". lol By that logic, you should be reminding those girls hiding inside that they're "porn stars", right? But you were doing your legendary "love warrior" thing again. LMAO! :Bowdown:

Btw, I don't think you're "retarded". lol I guess a better way to say it would have been, "that's completely silly". But I know you're easily set off at times, and I'm not hating on you. I know you're getting upset with me and a few other people here, Bella, but you really do pull some pretty lofty concepts out of your ass at times, and often contradict yourself. There's no doubt about the fact that you do have a brain; more than a lot of girls I know. But you seem to let your mouth write a lot of checks that your brain can't cash. Girl, you are your own worst enemy in many of these discussions, where you somehow go from self-righteous "love warrior" to martyr in the blink of an eye.

[Nicole Dupre]

You know what I really want to beat you with a wet noodle over, Bella? lol Posting bad videos of crappy songs! :p lol

[BellaBellucci]

If someone needs to grow up, it's the tranny who says all the wacky shit that she can't really back up. For example, you really can't explain how Seanchai and Grooby put anyone in a "world of hurt". When you say something like that, you're pretty much attacking every company who gives anyone a first shoot.

No, I'm not attacking anyone - not even really Seanchai. He and I have actually discussed this topic like adults. You on the other hand want to just keep nagging me to dig a hole so that everyone will get mad at me again and I can't get any more shoots (lol)! Nice try, but I'm a bit better at this game than I was last summer. And we all know girls who have been damaged by their involvement in porn so really there's no need to name names. Well, I have no need anyway. If I'm defending those who are afraid to speak up, then why would I out them?


Then you said there are girls who are afraid to leave the house after doing a one-time Yum shoot. But on another thread, we're somehow all "porn stars" and any other other way of looking at it is "elitist bullshit". lol By that logic, you should be reminding those girls hiding inside that they're "porn stars", right? But you were doing your legendary "love warrior" thing again. LMAO! :Bowdown:

Ok, fine, sometimes I get a bit melodramatic. I'd be a fool not to admit that, but that doesn't excuse your constant word twisting. And don't talk to me about logic. You don't even stand for anything but you argue about everything. Who is pissing people off lately? You are, actually. :lol:


Btw, I don't think you're "retarded". lol I guess a better way to say it would have been, "that's completely silly". But I know you're easily set off at times, and I'm not hating on you. I know you're getting upset with me and a few other people here, Bella, but you really do pull some pretty lofty concepts out of your ass at times, and often contradict yourself. There's no doubt about the fact that you do have a brain; more than a lot of girls I know. But you seem to let your mouth write a lot of checks that your brain can't cash. Girl, you are your own worst enemy in many of these discussions, where you somehow go from self-righteous "love warrior" to martyr in the blink of an eye.

That's the most accurate statement about me that you've made... I think ever. Although I'd argue that my 'checks' are post-dated (the business is evolving very quickly), that you overstate the frequency with which I contradict myself because I don't think you always understand my intentions, and that sometimes warriors become martyrs, but other than that, I think you've made a fair assessment of my character that at least takes into consideration that I'm trying my best to balance my career and my integrity just like most everyone else in this industry. And I'm trying to take those who agree with me along for the ride - not use them as tools like most girls do. Do I go overboard? Well, yeah, but that doesn't mean I wrong. Thanks for a moment of fairness. :yingyang:

~BB~

[Nicole Dupre]

No, I'm not attacking anyone - not even really Seanchai. He and I have actually discussed this topic like adults. You on the other hand want to just keep nagging me to dig a hole so that everyone will get mad at me again and I can't get any more shoots (lol)! Nice try, but I'm a bit better at this game than I was last summer. And we all know girls who have been damaged by their involvement in porn so really there's no need to name names. Well, I have no need anyway. If I'm defending those who are afraid to speak up, then why would I out them?



Ok, fine, sometimes I get a bit melodramatic. I'd be a fool not to admit that, but that doesn't excuse your constant word twisting. And don't talk to me about logic. You don't even stand for anything but you argue about everything. Who is pissing people off lately? You are, actually. :lol:



That's the most accurate statement about me that you've made... I think ever. Although I'd argue that my 'checks' are post-dated (the business is evolving very quickly), that you overstate the frequency with which I contradict myself because I don't think you always understand my intentions, and that sometimes warriors become martyrs, but other than that, I think you've made a fair assessment of my character that at least takes into consideration that I'm trying my best to balance my career and my integrity just like most everyone else in this industry. And I'm trying to take those who agree with me along for the ride - not use them as tools like most girls do. Do I go overboard? Well, yeah, but that doesn't mean I wrong. Thanks for a moment of fairness. :yingyang:

~BB~

It's not word twisting. If "doing a Yum shoot = pornstar", no one should be hiding in the house afterwards unless they had pre-existing issues. Yum has nothing to do with it. By the same token, I don't envy anyone who feels that self-conscious. But it sounds more like paranoia and lack of confidence than having been traumatized by a set of photos.

Trust me, I'm very vain. But why transition if you can't walk out the door and hold you head up high under any and all circumstances? That's why I asked you if you ever worked a day jb post transitioning. I waited on tables in the food service industry. You want to talk about being a pee on, and at the mercy of any jackass who can a afford a blue plate special? Even if you're not getting clocked, it sure makes being a woman seem pretty unglamorous. lol Anyway, we were all free to take a look at Yum promos before we made the appointments with the shooters.

And I know you look down your nose at drag, but nothing will prepare you for harsh critiques like a room full of shady drag queens. It's a reading marathon. lol But I think that's exactly what many people need, or THEY THEMSELVES are setting themselves up for a "world of hurt". If not, you'd have a bunch of 'Emily Howards" running around, making asses of themselves everywhere they go and subsequently making us all look like idiots. lol

YouTube- little britain usa emily howard arrested (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JUd0WQM6D8)

[Nicole Dupre]

Oh, and you're right. I "don't stand for anything". I'm apolitical. I don't give a crap about politics, religion, the ozone, etc. Of course I have opinions but you won't catch me using porn as a vehicle to proselytize. I have no time for that, and even less interest in it. I stand for myself, and my like-minded TS sisters who share a similar world view. In fact, if anything, I'm simply against bullshit. Period.

So go get 'em, Norma Rae. But don't point your finger at me, and don't assume you speak for anyone but yourself. Werq it OUT, Bella Bellucci! lol

[BellaBellucci]

Even if you're not getting clocked, it sure makes being a woman seem pretty unglamorous.

If you're living your life as the person you are or want to be, then it doesn't have to be glamourous. Not everything does.


And I know you look down your nose at drag, but nothing will prepare you for harsh critiques like a room full of shady drag queens. It's a reading marathon. lol

LOL! Point taken, but I never said I look down my nose at drag. I only said that it can't teach womanhood and I haven't changed that opinion. But moreover, if I were to be the subject of a 'reading marathon,' the queens in question would be proving me right, don't you think? I don't have a problem with drag. It just doesn't affect my life.

~BB~

[Nicole Dupre]

If you're living your life as the person you are or want to be, then it doesn't have to be glamourous. Not everything does.

No shit, Sherlock. lol That was point. The people you know who are cowering under the bed after doing a Yum shoot were stupid to think it was a free pass to walk around in public in some protective porn star bubble. lol But then again, these losers are your friends, not mine. lol



LOL! Point taken, but I never said I look down my nose at drag. I only said that it can't teach womanhood and I haven't changed that opinion. But moreover, if I were to be the subject of a 'reading marathon,' the queens in question would be proving me right, don't you think? I don't have a problem with drag. It just doesn't affect my life.
Ummm, no. You said drag was a bunch of gay men-turned-women, who think lip syncing = girl. Didn't you call TS who did drag, the "gay trannys", or some such nonsense? Well, guess what? If these wall flowers you're on a personal mission for couldn't handle doing drag in a club, what made them think having their faces all over the internet was going to be a one way ticket to porn star land? Womanhood, when you're born with a cock, is trial by fire, one way or another. And no one should be stupid enough to underestimate that, or hold their breath on Bella Bellucci's personal holy war. lol

Anyway, yeah. You were into pussy, and even fucked one and conceived a child before you got a hair up your ass to be a woman and rewrite the book on porn. Don't hand me that Peewee Herman bullshit: "I meant to do that." You obviously make this shit up as you go along. Maybe a non-tranny might swallow that bull, but most girls who knew that they were born wrong somehow weren't fathering children and getting married. And this has nothing to do with that little boy. I can tell you're a loving parent, now that you figured out which side of the gender fence you want to be on. I'm talking about Bella now, and how she thinks she's in touch with anything more than her own selfish needs.

And I don't mean selfish in a bad way. In fact, you should have taken the bull by the horns before you set so many events into motion. I'm happy for you that you know what gender you want to be. But how dare you scoff at drag, when drag culture and gay bars are one of the few places where we get to come out of our shells without breeders (which you are, technically) judging and/or hating us. And at this stage of the game, the gay tranny is you. Most of knew better than to shoot an unprotected load into a vagina, Gloria Steinem.

The truth is, intellectually, you're a relatively late bloomer. And now you think you "stand for something"? Hetero guilt perhaps? Don't know, don't care. But puh-lease, whore. You're a faggot as much as any of us ever were. You "stand for" the liberation of your cock, and sticking it in whatever hole you can get it stiff for. Me too, but at least I'm not putting any altruistic spin on it.

Don't try it, Sista' Patty GURL! lol

[BellaBellucci]

Ummm, no. You said drag was a bunch of gay men-turned-women, who think lip syncing = girl. Didn't you call TS who did drag, the "gay trannys", or some such nonsense? Well, guess what? If these wall flowers you're on a personal mission for couldn't handle doing drag in a club, what made them think having their faces all over the internet was going to be a one way ticket to porn star land? Womanhood, when you're born with a cock, is trial by fire, one way or another. And no one should be stupid enough to underestimate that, or hold their breath on Bella Bellucci's personal holy war. lol

Anyway, yeah. You were into pussy, and even fucked one and conceived a child before you got a hair up your ass to be a woman and rewrite the book on porn. Don't hand me that Peewee Herman bullshit: "I meant to do that." You obviously make this shit up as you go along. Maybe a non-tranny might swallow that bull, but most girls who knew that they were born wrong somehow weren't fathering children and getting married. And this has nothing to do with that little boy. I can tell you're a loving parent, now that you figured out which side of the gender fence you want to be on. I'm talking about Bella now, and how she thinks she's in touch with anything more than her own selfish needs.

And I don't mean selfish in a bad way. In fact, you should have taken the bull by the horns before you set so many events into motion. I'm happy for you that you know what gender you want to be. But how dare you scoff at drag, when drag culture and gay bars are one of the few places where we get to come out of our shells without breeders (which you are, technically) judging and/or hating us. And at this stage of the game, the gay tranny is you. Most of knew better than to shoot an unprotected load into a vagina, Gloria Steinem.

The truth is, intellectually, you're a relatively late bloomer. And now you think you "stand for something"? Hetero guilt perhaps? Don't know, don't care. But puh-lease, whore. You're a faggot as much as any of us ever were. You "stand for" the liberation of your cock, and sticking it in whatever hole you can get it stiff for. Me too, but at least I'm not putting any altruistic spin on it.

Don't try it, Sista' Patty GURL! lol

Seriously. What the fuck is wrong with you? Are bi-polar or something? This is all such crap that I'm not even going to respond to it other than to say again: drag queens = men. So what? It's true.

I can sum up my position on drag in three words: 'I. Don't. Care.' It's totally irrelevant to my life. Move along, sideshow.

~BB~

[Jericho]

Eh, pornstars, stfu!
People'll think you come from chicargo or shit if you carry on! :shrug

[GullyFoyle]

Maybe a non-tranny might swallow that bull, but most girls who knew that they were born wrong somehow weren't fathering children and getting married.

I was in a 4 year relationship with a TS (post-op now) who was married and had two kids before she transitioned. Said she wasn't attracted to men until after starting HRT. Or maybe she was just deep in denial. :shrug

[Nicole Dupre]

I was in a 4 year relationship with a TS (post-op now) who was married and had two kids before she transitioned. Said she wasn't attracted to men until after starting HRT. Or maybe she was just deep in denial. :shrug
I don't quite understand it, but many "straight guys" who become transsexuals discover after they transition that they like guys. Personally, I don't think it matters AT ALL. However, I still think that Bella dismissing drag as "gay boys who become women" - or however she put it, and trust me it was offensive - is a cop out for stepping out of a fog later in life. And yes. I was in a fog too. To some degree, I think we all are before we do something about GID. No one gives you a handbook on how to deal with gender dysphoria as a child. And I was indeed a genderfuct queer, and I'm as proud of where I come from as she is. No one asked Bella to do drag. This is something else that she brought up at one point. Another "~BB~" rant bites the dust. lol

[Nicole Dupre]

Seriously. What the fuck is wrong with you? Are bi-polar or something? This is all such crap that I'm not even going to respond to it other than to say again: drag queens = men. So what? It's true.

I can sum up my position on drag in three words: 'I. Don't. Care.' It's totally irrelevant to my life. Move along, sideshow.

~BB~
Another brilliant non-response. Yawn.

Don't say shit you can't live with, honey. I DON'T CARE about your lofty "world of hurt" or your causes. In fact, I'd like to know who actually does? It works both ways, baby cakes. lol

[Nicole Dupre]

Oh, and drag queens are not necessarily men, you offensive moron. Now you're calling Candice Cayne a "man"? You're loopy. Drag is a performance art. Oh, but that's right. "You. Don't. Care." You say all kinds of bullshit that you just want to walk away from. What's new?

[BellaBellucci]

Oh, and drag queens are not necessarily men, you offensive moron. Now you're calling Candice Cayne a "man"? You're loopy. Drag is a performance art. Oh, but that's right. "You. Don't. Care." You say all kinds of bullshit that you just want to walk away from. What's new?

Candi(s) Cayne (you can't even spell her name) is a post-op TS. I don't give a fuck if she used to be a drag queen. She left that life long ago.

And I walk away from you because you're spouting ridiculous bullshit that doesn't a merit a response. Why? Does it bother you when I ignore you? Will you throw another tantrum if I stop paying attention to you?

You're just an instigator. Go pick a fight with someone who actually wants to fight with you if you really need to argue with someone. You don't interest me. Now I'm going to enjoy my weekend. I'm sorry if you're not.

~BB~

[Felicia Katt]

We all go through our own fogs. Some of us end up going in circles. But most of us are able to later admit we were at times lost, after we emerge. And only a few of us would ever claim not only know exactly where we were all along but to also suggest our path is the only one to follow to come into sunlight. And none of us should dismiss or diminish those who manage to navigate through using their own waypoints.

Peace


FK

[Nicole Dupre]

Candi(s) Cayne (you can't even spell her name) is a post-op TS. I don't give a fuck if she used to be a drag queen. She left that life long ago.

And I walk away from you because you're spouting ridiculous bullshit that doesn't a merit a response. Why? Does it bother you when I ignore you? Will you throw another tantrum if I stop paying attention to you?

You're just an instigator. Go pick a fight with someone who actually wants to fight with you if you really need to argue with someone. You don't interest me. Now I'm going to enjoy my weekend. I'm sorry if you're not.

~BB~
This isn't a fucking spelling B. People still spell my name Dupree, and you don't see me having a cow. So "Candis". Ok. Take a Xanax. I know very well who she is, and correction; she CONQUERED that life.

You act as if she's embarrassed about it. lol Trust me, she still goes to Continental pageants while you're in your bunker, consoling your "world of hurt" posse.

She was in StarrBooty with Ru, like what? 2 years ago? Won Miss Continental, what? 2001? Performed at Wigstock, etc etc. So trust me, she not likely to be into your cause either.

And I moved this weekend, and there's been nothing enjoyable about it, other than popping in here and watching you backpedal every time I call "bullshit" on one of your cuckoo clock diatribes. lol

[GullyFoyle]

I don't quite understand it, but many "straight guys" who become transsexuals discover after they transition that they like guys. Personally, I don't think it matters AT ALL. However, I still think that Bella dismissing drag as "gay boys who become women" - or however she put it, and trust me it was offensive - is a cop out for stepping out of a fog later in life. And yes. I was in a fog too. To some degree, I think we all are before we do something about GID. No one gives you a handbook on how to deal with gender dysphoria as a child. And I was indeed a genderfuct queer, and I'm as proud of where I come from as she is. No one asked Bella to do drag. This is something else that she brought up at one point. Another "~BB~" rant bites the dust. lol

I never did understand it either. Then again, there is alot about being a TS that I can't fully understand. Well, I usually try to steer clear when Bella starts going off on someone. Alot less drama for me that way ...

[BellaBellucci]

I never did understand it either. Then again, there is alot about being a TS that I can't fully understand. Well, I usually try to steer clear when Bella starts going off on someone. Alot less drama for me that way ...

I never told anyone not to be proud. I never said that I have a problem with drag. I just gave my opinion and that opinion is that drag queens are men and that I could care less. What the fuck? You act like I shot Ru Paul or something.

I'm not even the one on the tirade; this one's all Nicole. It came out of nowhere. Strawman much? I just don't understand why she's incapable of making a point unless she's disrespecting someone else's or putting words in people's mouths to attempt to create and control her own opposition at that person's expense. Drag queens are men. By definition they identify as male. I don't see how pointing that out should lead to more bullshit being flung my way.

~BB~

[Nicole Dupre]

I never told anyone not to be proud. I never said that I have a problem with drag. I just gave my opinion and that opinion is that drag queens are men and that I could care less. What the fuck? You act like I shot Ru Paul or something.

I'm not even the one on the tirade; this one's all Nicole. It came out of nowhere. Strawman much? I just don't understand why she's incapable of making a point unless she's disrespecting someone else's or putting words in people's mouths to attempt to create and control her own opposition at that person's expense. Drag queens are men. By definition they identify as male. I don't see how pointing that out should lead to more bullshit being flung my way.

~BB~
You're shameless ignorance knows no bounds. You're closing in on sounding as asinine as phobun at this point, which is scary.

A considerable number of queens, who keep at it for years, eventually transition. I'm not talking about a doomed booger show in bumfuck Egypt, which is probably the apogee of what you're familiar with.

Candis is not a man. Mimi Marks is not a man. Sunny is not a man. And the list goes on and on. You can indeed be post op, and enter a pageant.

And I put no words in your mouth. For that little snot-nosed lie, I think I'm making a priority to find the thread in which you first talked this nonsense about "gay boys". It was offensive and wrong.

Btw, I'd bet my left ovary that you've been institutionalized at some point, either in jail/prison or a psych ward. Care to deny it? ;)

[BellaBellucci]

Candis is not a man. Mimi Marks is not a man. Sunny is not a man. And the list goes on and on. You can indeed be post op, and enter a pageant.

Exceptions that prove the rule. You know exactly what I'm talking about.


Btw, I'd bet my left ovary that you've been institutionalized at some point, either in jail/prison or a psych ward. Care to deny it? ;)

Why do you pretend to know everything about everybody? You don't know me. You just wish you did. Read that.

~BB~

[Nicole Dupre]

Exceptions that prove the rule. You know exactly what I'm talking about.



Why do you pretend to know everything about everybody? You don't know me. You just wish you did. Read that.

~BB~

They're not exceptions, dummy. They've all won Miss Continental pageants, which are extremely rule-oriented. Miss Continental is the biggest drag pageant in the United States. And do you know what rule is a biggie? YOU CANNOT DO, OR HAVE EVER DONE, PORN. Why? Well, basically, I guess Jim Flint doesn't think it's very lady-like. lol (That's right. While you were fathering kids and writing your own TS Unabomber Manifesto, "gayboys" like me more interested in drag and taking it up the ass. lol)

Wait. Did you honestly think tne above mentioned girls couldn't be porn stars, like you and your emotionally-disturbed fictitious hermits ie. YOU hating life because you didn't wake up one morning and get treated like Danielle? lol Come to think of it, maybe you really are retarded.

Face it. You don't know ANYTHING about drag, but you went WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY out on a limb and called all drag queens men. Did you hear the branch snap before you hit the ground? lol It would be hysterical I suppose if it wasn't so fucking offensive. It's essentially like calling a black man the N word, and you just did it right here on the biggest shemale porn forum around. The biggest difference between you and Tika is, Tika is at least wise enough to know when to flee with her tail between her legs right after she puts her foot in her mouth. But you're obviously a lot more vainly masochistic.

And pretend to know you? Please. People get put in the nut house for (drum roll...) acting nuts, especially when they're as shitty at hiding it as you are! lol So who's pretending? Everyone here thinks that you're batshit nuts. It's not as if I made a big stretch. But I guess now I have your answer on whether or not you've been locked up. You basically plead the 5th. How FAB?!? lol

Anyway, I did a couple of Yum shoots, and made as much of an emotional investment in Seanchai's business model as you did, considering I really hate my first shoot and think the 2nd one is lame. But then you said something that I thought was utterly absurd. You tried to blame Yum for the regret you felt over having done the shoot. I disagreed, and asked you to explain it further. But you couldn't, acted even more wacky, and crumbled. "Have a nice weekend", "I don't care", "you're twisting my words", yada yada yada. Those don't sound like the words of an altruistic "love warrior" out to change porn. They sound like the backpedaling words of a offensively pretentious moron who talked out of their ass, and regrets calling some of the most beautiful transwomen in the world "men".

[mbf]

A pornstar is someone who is o nthe cover, who sells the vid (no matter if dvd or vod) who has done so several times, who has probably her own website with somewhat of traffic and circulation, who has done acclaimed photoshoots for websites (and/or magazines) whose name is being used to advertise for smut product.

Then you have a porn starlet, who appears in vids, but isn't cover material, who did photoshoots repeatedly as well, but has too little of a fanbase to hit it off on her own. She is filler material.

And then there is - people who appeared in pornographic photoshoots or movies only a handful of time and didn't produce a lasting impression on anybody.

[WendyWilliams]

They're not exceptions, dummy. They've all won Miss Continental pageants, which are extremely rule-oriented. Miss Continental is the biggest drag pageant in the United States. And do you know what rule is a biggie? YOU CANNOT DO, OR HAVE EVER DONE, PORN. Why? Well, basically, I guess Jim Flint doesn't think it's very lady-like. lol (That's right. While you were fathering kids and writing your own TS Unabomber Manifesto, "gayboys" like me more interested in drag and taking it up the ass. lol)

Wait. Did you honestly think tne above mentioned girls couldn't be porn stars, like you and your emotionally-disturbed fictitious hermits ie. YOU hating life because you didn't wake up one morning and get treated like Danielle? lol Come to think of it, maybe you really are retarded.

Face it. You don't know ANYTHING about drag, but you went WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY out on a limb and called all drag queens men. Did you hear the branch snap before you hit the ground? lol It would be hysterical I suppose if it wasn't so fucking offensive. It's essentially like calling a black man the N word, and you just did it right here on the biggest shemale porn forum around. The biggest difference between you and Tika is, Tika is at least wise enough to know when to flee with her tail between her legs right after she puts her foot in her mouth. But you're obviously a lot more vainly masochistic.

And pretend to know you? Please. People get put in the nut house for (drum roll...) acting nuts, especially when they're as shitty at hiding it as you are! lol So who's pretending? Everyone here thinks that you're batshit nuts. It's not as if I made a big stretch. But I guess now I have your answer on whether or not you've been locked up. You basically plead the 5th. How FAB?!? lol

Anyway, I did a couple of Yum shoots, and made as much of an emotional investment in Seanchai's business model as you did, considering I really hate my first shoot and think the 2nd one is lame. But then you said something that I thought was utterly absurd. You tried to blame Yum for the regret you felt over having done the shoot. I disagreed, and asked you to explain it further. But you couldn't, acted even more wacky, and crumbled. "Have a nice weekend", "I don't care", "you're twisting my words", yada yada yada. Those don't sound like the words of an altruistic "love warrior" out to change porn. They sound like the backpedaling words of a offensively pretentious moron who talked out of their ass, and regrets calling some of the most beautiful transwomen in the world "men".


Actually Arianna you are wrong, there is NO rule you could have never done porn. Kourtney Van Wales has done it in 99', 06, 08 and was in top 10 all 3 times and I won a prelim in 06' and spoke to Mr. Flint himself. His thing is you can not run a EROS ad during your reign and not star in any films during your regin. His exact words to me where "I cant control what people do in their personal life and I dont care as its a way of living however during your reign I ask that you not do it".........Tulsa who was Miss. Continental had done some softcore porn and was an escort..........so TRUST me there is NO such rule and has NEVER been that rule..........Just a clarification!

[Nicole Dupre]

Actually Arianna you are wrong, there is NO rule you could have never done porn. Kourtney Van Wales has done it in 99', 06, 08 and was in top 10 all 3 times and I won a prelim in 06' and spoke to Mr. Flint himself. His thing is you can not run a EROS ad during your reign and not star in any films during your regin. His exact words to me where "I cant control what people do in their personal life and I dont care as its a way of living however during your reign I ask that you not do it".........Tulsa who was Miss. Continental had done some softcore porn and was an escort..........so TRUST me there is NO such rule and has NEVER been that rule..........Just a clarification!
Ahhh. Then I stand corrected. But I knew it was a rule of some sort.

Btw check your PMs, girl.