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pantybulge69
12-06-2009, 03:47 AM
Obama Will be one of Our Greatest Presidents

by Frank Schaeffer, Huffingtonpost

In the heat of the 2008 campaign I wrote this. I am more sure now than ever that every word was true, will come true, will be proved true.

Great presidents are made great by horrible circumstances combined with character, temperament and intelligence. Like firemen, cops, doctors or soldiers, presidents need a crisis to shine.

Obama is one of the most intelligent presidential aspirants to ever step forward in American history. The likes of his intellectual capabilities have not been surpassed in public life since the Founding Fathers put pen to paper. His personal character is also solid gold. Take heart, America: we have the leader for our times.

I say this as a white, former life-long Republican. I say this as the proud father of a Marine. I say this as just another American watching his pension evaporate along with the stock market! I speak as someone who knows it's time to forget party loyalty, ideology and pride and put the country first. I say this as someone happy to be called a fool for going out on a limb and declaring that, 1) Obama will win, and 2) he is going to be amongst the greatest of American presidents.

Obama is our last best chance. He's worth laying it all on the line for.
This is a man who in the age of greed took the high road of community service. This is the good father and husband. This is the humble servant. This is the patient teacher. This is the scholar statesman. This is the man of deep Christian faith.

Good stories about Obama abound; from his personal relationship with his Secret Service agents -- (he invites them into his home to watch sports, and shoots hoops with them) -- to the story about how -- more than twenty years ago, while standing in the check-in line at an airport -- Obama paid a $100 baggage surcharge for a stranger who was broke and stuck. (Obama was virtually penniless himself in those days.)

Years later after he became a senator, that stranger recognized Obama's picture and wrote to him to thank him. She received a kindly note back from the senator. (The story only surfaced because the person, who lives in Norway, told a local newspaper after Obama ran for the presidency. The paper published a photograph of this lady proudly displaying Senator Obama's letter.)

Where many leaders are two-faced; publicly kindly but privately feared and/or hated by people closest to them, Obama is consistent in the way he treats people, consistently kind and personally humble. He lives by the code that those who lead must serve. He believes that. He lives it. He lived it long before he was in the public eye.

Obama puts service ahead of ideology. He also knows that to win politically you need to be tough. He can be. He has been. This is a man who does what works, rather than scoring ideological points. In other words he is the quintessential non-ideological pragmatic American. He will (thank God!) disappoint ideologues and purists of the left and the right.
Obama has a reservoir of personal physical courage that is unmatched in presidential history.

Why unmatched?

Because as the first black contender for the presidency who will win, Obama, and all the rest of us, know that he is in great physical danger from the seemingly unlimited reserve of unhinged racial hatred, and just plain unhinged ignorant hatred, that swirls in the bowels of our wounded and sinful country. By stepping forward to lead, Obama has literally put his life on the line for all of us in a way no white candidate ever has had to do. (And we all know how dangerous the presidency has been even for white presidents.)
Nice stories or even unparalleled courage isn't the only point.

The greater point about Obama is that the midst of our worldwide financial meltdown, an expanding (and losing) war in Afghanistan, trying to extricate our country from a wrong and stupidly mistaken ruinously expensive war in Iraq, our mounting and crushing national debt, awaiting the next (and inevitable) al Qaeda attack on our homeland, watching our schools decline to Third World levels of incompetence, facing a general loss of confidence in the government that has been exacerbated by the Republicans doing all they can to undermine our government's capabilities and programs... President Obama will take on the leadership of our country at a make or break time of historic proportions. He faces not one but dozens of crisis, each big enough to define any presidency in better times.

As luck, fate or divine grace would have it (depending on one's personal theology) Obama is blessedly, dare I say uniquely, well-suited to our dire circumstances.

Obama is a person with hands-on community service experience, deep connections to top economic advisers from the renowned University of Chicago where he taught law, and a middle-class background that gives him an abiding knowledgeable empathy with the rest of us. As the son of a single mother, who has worked his way up with merit and brains, recipient of top-notch academic scholarships, the peer-selected editor of the Harvard Law Review and, in three giant political steps to state office, national office and now the presidency, Obama clearly has the wit and drive to lead.

Obama is the sober voice of reason at a time of unreason. He is the fellow keeping his head while all around him are panicking. He is the healing presence at a time of national division and strife. He is also new enough to the political process so that he doesn't suffer from the terminally jaded cynicism, the seen-it-all-before syndrome afflicting most politicians in Washington.

In that regard we Americans lucked out. It's as if having despaired of our political process we picked a name from the phone book to lead us and that person turned out to be a very man we needed.

Obama brings a healing and uplifting spiritual quality to our politics at the very time when our worst enemy is fear. For eight years we've been ruled by a stunted fear-filled mediocrity of a little liar who has expanded his power on the basis of creating fear in others. Fearless Obama is the cure. He speaks a litany of hope rather than a litany of terror.

As we have watched Obama respond in a quiet reasoned manner to crisis after crisis, in both the way he has responded after being attacked and lied about in the 2008 campaign season, to his reasoned response to our multiplying national crises, what we see is the spirit of a trusted family doctor with a great bedside manner. Obama is perfectly suited to hold our hand and lead us through some very tough times. The word panic is not in the Obama dictionary.

America is fighting its "Armageddon" in one fearful heart at a time. A brilliant leader with the mild manner of an old-time matter-of-fact country doctor soothing a frightened child is just what we need. The fact that our "doctor" is a black man leading a hitherto white-ruled nation out of the mess of its own making is all the sweeter and raises the Obama story to that of moral allegory.

Obama brings a moral clarity to his leadership reserved for those who have had to work for everything they've gotten and had to do twice as well as the person standing next to them because of the color of their skin. His experience of succeeding in spite of his color, social background and prejudice could have been embittering or one that fostered a spiritual rebirth of forgiveness and enlightenment. Obama radiates the calm inner peace of the spirit of forgiveness.

Speaking as a believing Christian I see the hand of a merciful God in Obama's candidacy. The biblical metaphors abound. The stone the builder rejected is become the cornerstone... the last shall be first... he that would gain his life must first lose it... the meek shall inherit the earth...
For my secular friends I'll allow that we may have just been extraordinarily lucky! Either way America wins.

Only a brilliant man, with the spirit of a preacher and the humble heart of a kindly family doctor can lead us now. We are afraid, out of ideas, and worst of all out of hope. Obama is the cure. And we Americans have it in us to rise to the occasion.

We will. We're about to enter one of the most frightening periods of American history. Our country has rarely faced more uncertainty. This is the time for greatness. We have a great leader. We must be a great people backing him, fighting for him, sacrificing for a cause greater than ourselves.

A hundred years from now Obama's portrait will be placed next to that of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt. Long before that we'll be telling our children and grandchildren that we stepped out in faith and voted for a young black man who stood up and led our country back from the brink of an abyss.

We'll tell them about the power of love, faith and hope. We'll tell them about the power of creativity combined with humility and intellectual brilliance. We'll tell them that President Obama gave us the gift of regaining our faith in our country. We'll tell them that we all stood up and pitched in and won the day.

We'll tell them that President Obama restored our standing in the world. We'll tell them that by the time he left office our schools were on the mend, our economy booming, that we'd become a nation filled with green energy alternatives and were leading the world away from dependence on carbon-based destruction.

We'll tell them that because of President Obama's example and leadership the integrity of the family was restored, divorce rates went down, more fathers took responsibility for their children, and abortion rates fell dramatically as women, families and children were cared for through compassionate social programs that worked.

We'll tell them about how the gap closed between the middle class and the super rich, how we won health care for all, how crime rates fell, how bad wars were brought to an honorable conclusion. We'll tell them that when we were attacked again by al Qaeda, how reason prevailed and the response was smart, tough, measured and effective, and our civil rights were protected even in times of crisis...

We'll tell them that we were part of the inexplicably blessed miracle that happened to our country those many years ago in 2008 when a young black man was sent by God, fate or luck to save our country. We'll tell them that it's good to live in America where anything is possible. Yes we will.
Frank Schaeffer is the author of CRAZY FOR GOD-How I Grew Up As One Of The Elect, Helped Found The Religious Right, And Lived To Take All (Or Almost All) Of It Back. Now in paperback.

El Nino
12-06-2009, 03:50 AM
You're wayyy off-base chief.

Dino Velvet
12-06-2009, 05:57 AM
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plankton
12-12-2009, 03:25 AM
Wow,that actually hurt my sensibilities.
A.)He's half white not black.That makes him mixed
B.)He's socializing the country(now that has a good track record don't it).
C.) Oh never mind .You won't believe anything i say anyway.

El Nino
12-12-2009, 06:42 AM
Plankton, I don't even think he is 50% black... I'd have to do a little research to verify this but.... yeah.

q1a2z3
12-13-2009, 03:25 AM
obama follows in the foot steps of MLK another black, just give me what I want, I deserve an executive position, the man is keeping me down, let's drag the country down with socialism, man. He was voted for my stupid white people who were brain washed into believing all that "white guilt" crap! If obama can get a law degree anyone can. That's one degree I'd wipe my ass with.

It's really bad for your "group resume" to be the first here and then get passed by every minority group who showed up later and then get lapped! What a joke! America will be so sick of obama that when a qualified candidate steps forward that is black he/she is going to have a hard time selling people on electing them.

obama is an example of why moonbats need to be deported to europe or used to make oil. They are parasites feeding on a host that has money to build their socialist wet dream. Take away the money and they die - which is good for the country as a whole.

pantybulge69
12-22-2009, 01:27 AM
obama follows in the foot steps of MLK another black, just give me what I want, I deserve an executive position, the man is keeping me down, let's drag the country down with socialism, man. He was voted for my stupid white people who were brain washed into believing all that "white guilt" crap! If obama can get a law degree anyone can. That's one degree I'd wipe my ass with.

It's really bad for your "group resume" to be the first here and then get passed by every minority group who showed up later and then get lapped! What a joke! America will be so sick of obama that when a qualified candidate steps forward that is black he/she is going to have a hard time selling people on electing them.

obama is an example of why moonbats need to be deported to europe or used to make oil. They are parasites feeding on a host that has money to build their socialist wet dream. Take away the money and they die - which is good for the country as a whole.

yeh,i'm sure most rednecks believed MLK was a commy and socialist
as well.

Republicans are long so disturbingly arrogant that they think they
speak for every American.
that's why too many Americans that lived and made this country
in a backward, because they are so incredibly set in their ways world.
That's one of the reasons why the world's most powerful country
rejected and fucked around with universal healthcare reform for
decades and decades.

Yet an absolute do-nothing, incompetent redneck like George Bush Jr.
is so acceptable for 8 years, simply because he belongs to the GOP
party. A far cry distance from a man who is working his ass off day and
night after being placed to have to clean up an incredible, monstrousity
economic disaster which Bush, financial CEOs and Wall street managed
to cripple this country singlehandlingly.

be SICK and hate on them, they are the ones that placed us in this horror house mess. we are paying the price for THEIR actions, ..not Barack's.

El Nino
12-22-2009, 06:13 AM
Pantybulge, why buy into the false left Vs. right paradigm? This isn't what any of this is about bro. They are two wings of the same bird... two sides of the same coin. Don't you see? DON'T YOU SEE? This is a Top Vs. Down paradigm... Tyranny Vs. Liberty

hippifried
12-22-2009, 08:20 AM
Pantybulge, why buy into the false left Vs. right paradigm? This isn't what any of this is about bro. They are two wings of the same bird... two sides of the same coin. Don't you see? DON'T YOU SEE? This is a Top Vs. Down paradigm... Tyranny Vs. LibertyNot really. It's more like liberal vs reactionary, or a pragmatism vs ideology paradigm. Standard politics vs lockstep zealotry.

El Nino
12-22-2009, 08:32 AM
Hippi, I respectfully must say that I think it goes a little deeper. I.E. corporate control of govt. (right, left and all in between), media, diversion, distraction, insider bankers, etc etc etc... It's all about controlling the masses.

Oh yeah, let's not forget a healthy dose of fear-mongering dished out from both sides as well!

hippifried
12-22-2009, 09:13 AM
Oh yeah, let's not forget a healthy dose of fear-mongering dished out from both sides as well!
Isn't that what you're doing?

El Nino
12-22-2009, 09:28 AM
Um, no.

hippifried
12-22-2009, 10:44 PM
Oh. Okay, if you say so.

I seem to remember some philosopher, Jewish I think, who said: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Resiprosity rules the world if you let it.

El Nino
12-23-2009, 02:02 AM
Please Hippi, pointing out corruption and societal disharmony is not fear-mongering!!!!!!! You know this.

About that Jewish "philosopher".. Did you know this guy? Did he even really exist? Are you speaking of Zombie Jesus? Seems like the kind of myth that might be used to brainwash and control weak minded, on a massive scale...

"You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Because Joe seems like the kind of guy who can get things DONE!" -GC

edward almond
12-23-2009, 04:47 AM
mlk said he was a marxist. That means the same thing as commie.Go on and drink the koolaid.

daltx_m
12-23-2009, 04:56 AM
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hippifried
12-23-2009, 08:34 AM
Please Hippi, pointing out corruption and societal disharmony is not fear-mongering!!!!!!! You know this.But that's only a small part of what you do. To hear you tell it, one would think that America is going to crumble to dust in our lifetime. That we're going to be goosestepping down through the rubble or facing the showers with no water spouts. You scream all this Bircher crap about being ruled by the rich, but can you name one time in American history, since 1492, when the rich weren't on top? Hell, the pilgrims on the Mayflower were in deep debt to European corporations. At least we put in a system where a pedigree isn't necessary to get rich. Things aren't perfect & never will be. There's always going to be new problems cropping up. The sky isn't falling.

By the way: Have you ever posed a solution to any of the problems you incessantly shriek about? The only positive thing I've ever seen from you on the political front is your cultish quasi-worship of Ron Paul. I guess that would demote Alex Jones to prophet status?


About that Jewish "philosopher".. Did you know this guy? Did he even really exist? Are you speaking of Zombie Jesus? Seems like the kind of myth that might be used to brainwash and control weak minded, on a massive scale...Well I don't know if he was actually born or not, or how he was conceived if he was. I do know however, that he was & is, for good or bad, the single most influential persona in the history of the planet.

El Nino
12-23-2009, 08:49 AM
Way to make it personal, again...

El Nino
12-23-2009, 09:02 AM
Listen man, I just occasionally chime in or report, what I view as decent news worthy material, to the politics section of H.A. If the content "scares" you, well, that is not my issue. I think its your interpretation of the info, not objectivity, which is at the core of your discomfort.

El Nino
12-23-2009, 09:04 AM
[quote=El Nino]About that Jewish "philosopher".. Did you know this guy? Did he even really exist? Are you speaking of Zombie Jesus? Seems like the kind of myth that might be used to brainwash and control weak minded, on a massive scale...Well I don't know if he was actually born or not, or how he was conceived if he was. I do know however, that he was & is, for good or bad, the single most influential persona in the history of the planet.

Yeah I know... and that just may be THE PROBLEM!!

hippifried
12-23-2009, 09:42 AM
Don't kid yourself. You're not scary in the least. Just amusing. As I've pointed out before, I'm not seeing any content in your political posts. Just a lot of alarmism without details.

So... Got any solutions to anything?

El Nino
12-23-2009, 09:46 AM
Without details my ass. You want a solution... how about an anti-lie machine. LOL... Politicians have to wear them when they speak and if they tell a lie, it electrocutes them. Sound good?

pantybulge69
12-25-2009, 03:22 AM
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/22/why_the_health_care_bill_will_destroy_the_conserva/?ref=c1

Why the Health Care Bill Will Destroy the Conservative Movement

By Nathan Newman - December 22, 2009, 5:52AM

Yeah, the filibuster and the Senate structure sucks-- but some of us knew that and had low expectations. Ignoring what we didn't get, expanding coverage to thirty million folks, including 15 million more in Medicaid, plus restrictions on insurance companies and subsidies for middle class families is a good start.

But let me jump out of the debate on the merits of the bill and highlight the long-term politics. Which is that it will destroy the conservative movement (a point Bill Kristol made in 1993 when he argued for killing health reform at all costs). Why? Because trying to repeal it will tear the movement apart and it will be the platform to destroy conservative anti-tax politics.

The TeaParty rightwing base will demand repeal, but where to start?
Demand that those with preexisting conditions be denied coverage at the whim of insurance companies? That's a nonstarter.

How about going after the individual mandate? Well, if you leave the ban on denial due to preexisting conditions in place, such a campaign will pit the monied health care business interests in the GOP against the anti-mandate rightwing, a lovely chance for an intramural political car wreck.
How about wiping out the funding for Medicaid expansions?

Well, that might be popular with the anti-poor Grinch rightwing, but aside from likely being unpopular with the public, such an attack on Medicaid funding will pit the D.C. wing of the rightwing against their state government counterparts.

For years, the federal government will be paying 100% of that Medicaid expansion, disproportionately to red states with currently the worst Medicaid coverage, so going after Medicaid funds will mean taking dollars away from GOP governors and statehouses. A few might go along on principle but most will protect every dollar coming to their states, regardless of purpose.

How about going after the subsidies to working Americans up to 400% of the poverty line? Now, there's political suicide since that's taking money directly out of the pockets of swing voters across the country.

The Death of Conservatism: In fact, those subsidies, however inadequate, no- precisely because they are inadequate, will be the death of conservative anti-tax politics.

The standard ploy of anti-tax politics had always been massive tax cuts for the wealthy combined with a token cut for the middle class. But with so many middle class families depending on monetary subsidies from the feds for health care, such token tax cuts will pale in comparison.

In fact, progressives will easily be able to trump tax cut politics with promises of increased health care subsidies -- invariably more valuable to those families and cheaper to deliver since it won't need to be attached to massive cuts for the the wealthy.

As Bill Kristol said way back in 1993 when he urged conservatives to kill health care by any means necessary, successful passage of health care reform in almost any form would be the death knell for conservatism:

It will relegitimize middle-class dependence for "security" on government spending and regulation. It will revive the reputation of the party that spends and regulates, the Democrats, as the generous protector of middle-class interests. And it will at the same time strike a punishing blow against Republican claims to defend the middle class by restraining government.

Because the health care bill will be implemented so slowly, we could well see some political attacks and losses by Democrats in a few election cycles, but unlikely enough to create the political consensus to repeal significant parts of the health care bill, precisely because of the dynamics above.

If anything, demands for more action are just as likely to strengthen the progressive hand to increase affordability or enact some form of the public option -- especially since such financial changes to the bill could potentially be driven by majority vote through reconciliation in future years.

You have some bloggers treating the health care bill as a sell-out to the rightwing and many on the Right treating it as the slipperly slope to socialism. While the latter is probably a bit far, I actually side more with the political analysis of the right; while progressives didn't get as much as they wanted, they got enough to put in place a dynamic that will be almost impossible for the right to reverse.

The working middle class will have a clear monetary stake in federal spending each year and participation in the broader welfare state. That reality will profoundly change both political rhetoric and budgetary politics in ways in which the modern conservative movement can not survive.

There will be a few stormy years to come but in two decades, this week's votes in the Senate I predict will come to be seen as a turning point in American history and the cementing of progressive power for decades to come.