I think we should have a civil war......

[Jim Brown]

...Against tranny admires who don't like the tranny cock and talking shit about cock loving tranny admires. I mean WTF??? Are you kidding me?? Youre on a gaddamn tranny forum and your calling people cock hounds. Seriously, are you being serious?

I think we should run them up and behead them or stone them to death.

[phobun]

You are one hilarious dude.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

I'm with ya!!! Let's get 'em!!!

[elo]

...Against tranny admires who don't like the tranny cock and talking shit about cock loving tranny admires. I mean WTF??? Are you kidding me?? Youre on a gaddamn tranny forum and your calling people cock hounds. Seriously, are you being serious?

I think we should run them up and behead them or stone them to death.


JIHAD!Tooooo much drama even for HA.

[loren]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Jim Brown]

Tooooo much drama even for HA.

Man this is where it starts, i gotta recruit my soldiers somewhere. I mean, you've got dudes calling trannies homosexuals because they still have cock. Whats is that????...

[dc_guy_75]

That's a word (the J word) I'd avoid using, unless you want the feds kicking down your door.

HA is now some NSA database...thanks.

[Jim Brown]

That's a word (the J word) I'd avoid using, unless you want the feds kicking down your door.

HA is now some NSA database...thanks.

ok i guess your right, i'll remove it. But you can still go fuck yourself tho.

[Jericho]

y'know when you drink and you think "Yeah, that's a great idea"...Sometime's, it isn't! :shrug

[Jim Brown]

y'know when you drink and you think "Yeah, that's a great idea"...Sometime's, it isn't! :shrug

Leave Kanye alone!!

[dc_guy_75]

y'know when you drink and you think "Yeah, that's a great idea"...Sometime's, it isn't! :shrug

Leave Kanye alone!!

[evilernie]

for some people..

Liking Cock = Gay

I think this is what's causing the hoopla in here.

[scroller]

Actually, I'm on board here. If you don't like 'em "hung", then it boggles the mind why one is on HA.

[blckhaze]

theres a large diff between liking ts and their equipment ( ts admirer), and just liking anything with long hair, heels, and a dress (cockhound)


if you dont know that...................ur probably the latter

[Trans Mission]

theres a large diff between liking ts and their equipment ( ts admirer), and just liking anything with long hair, heels, and a dress (cockhound)


if you dont know that...................ur probably the latter

Again, people toe these personal lines in the sand.

I like how you subvert the actual mechanism of attraction to present a flimsy, uncontrived argument.


What if I prefer Miriam over Rosie Odonnell? How does that slice the straight, non-straight paradigm you're clumsily grasping at?

Actually, this is why I stopped posting on this forum about a year ago. I think the trite, inept castigation was "bottom-brigade" to invalidate the catchers. I'd love for the pitchers to proclaim their love of trannies to the boys in the break room at work. See how straight you feel, then.

For me, it's just porn, though. Watching egos subject their insecurities upon others in a climate like this is as about as hilarious as repressed homosexuality gets.

Stop posting on a forum that embraces trannies and acting like you're some sort of enlightened sexual being. Fact is, we're all a little gay for being here. If you don't believe me, ask your Dad.

[blckhaze]

theres a large diff between liking ts and their equipment ( ts admirer), and just liking anything with long hair, heels, and a dress (cockhound)


if you dont know that...................ur probably the latter

Again, people toe these personal lines in the sand.

I like how you subvert the actual mechanism of attraction to present a flimsy, uncontrived argument.


What if I prefer Miriam over Rosie Odonnell? How does that slice the straight, non-straight paradigm you're clumsily grasping at?

Actually, this is why I stopped posting on this forum about a year ago. I think the trite, inept castigation was "bottom-brigade" to invalidate the catchers. I'd love for the pitchers to proclaim their love of trannies to the boys in the break room at work. See how straight you feel, then.

For me, it's just porn, though. Watching egos subject their insecurities upon others in a climate like this is as about as hilarious as repressed homosexuality gets.

Stop posting on a forum that embraces trannies and acting like you're some sort of enlightened sexual being. Fact is, we're all a little gay for being here. If you don't believe me, ask your Dad.


My friends family and coworkers know my attraction, and seen my girlfriends, and see no issue addressing me as straight. y? because i dont obsess over the next biggest dick in the pants of a chick.

I could careless if you and the band o cockbandits gets mad, and if ur vers or even bottom, kudos to you, but that fact remains that if the penis is all that matters, and not who its attached to, u probably need to just go with men.

[SarahG]

That's a word (the J word) I'd avoid using, unless you want the feds kicking down your door.

HA is now some NSA database...thanks.

Oh I am sure HA has been in an NSA database for a looong, long time.

[SarahG]

What if I prefer Miriam over Rosie Odonnell?

A better hypothetical would be: "What if I prefer Rosie Odonnell over Mariam because Rosie Odonnell has a bigger dick?"

Because I think that's what blckhaze is getting at here. There are some guys who simply don't care what the girl looks like, only how big & functional her penis is.

To use the example I've used in the past, some of the guys out there are so cock-blinded that they would probably accidentally hit on guys at the scottish games thinking the plaid kilts remind them of school girl uniforms.

[Trans Mission]

theres a large diff between liking ts and their equipment ( ts admirer), and just liking anything with long hair, heels, and a dress (cockhound)


if you dont know that...................ur probably the latter

Again, people toe these personal lines in the sand.

I like how you subvert the actual mechanism of attraction to present a flimsy, uncontrived argument.


What if I prefer Miriam over Rosie Odonnell? How does that slice the straight, non-straight paradigm you're clumsily grasping at?

Actually, this is why I stopped posting on this forum about a year ago. I think the trite, inept castigation was "bottom-brigade" to invalidate the catchers. I'd love for the pitchers to proclaim their love of trannies to the boys in the break room at work. See how straight you feel, then.

For me, it's just porn, though. Watching egos subject their insecurities upon others in a climate like this is as about as hilarious as repressed homosexuality gets.

Stop posting on a forum that embraces trannies and acting like you're some sort of enlightened sexual being. Fact is, we're all a little gay for being here. If you don't believe me, ask your Dad.


My friends family and coworkers know my attraction, and seen my girlfriends, and see no issue addressing me as straight. y? because i dont obsess over the next biggest dick in the pants of a chick.

I could careless if you and the band o cockbandits gets mad, and if ur vers or even bottom, kudos to you, but that fact remains that if the penis is all that matters, and not who its attached to, u probably need to just go with men.

You could care less? I said that I'm only in it for the porn, hardly a "cockbandit" as you so insipidly regurgitate.

If the penis means absolutely nothing, then dating a genetic girl should be the bulk of your girlfriends, correct? How many Trannies does a guy who doesn't seek them out actually encounter?

I hope you can appreciate that you're subjecting all fans of the Transgendered community to your stringent standards of perceived sexuality. Anything that doesn't coalesce with your myopic acceptance as being straight is gay. Well, if you're so straight why not date genetic women?

So, you're not a cock bandit, but you want a chick that has a dick? So is there some arbitrary measurement of the penis that mitigates one from being a cock hungry fiend as you so succinctly surmise as to just a straight guy who wants to date the same sex?

I'm fascinated by your logic, or lack thereof. Please enlighten?

[Trans Mission]

What if I prefer Miriam over Rosie Odonnell?

A better hypothetical would be: "What if I prefer Rosie Odonnell over Mariam because Rosie Odonnell has a bigger dick?"

Because I think that's what blckhaze is getting at here. There are some guys who simply don't care what the girl looks like, only how big & functional her penis is.

To use the example I've used in the past, some of the guys out there are so cock-blinded that they would probably accidentally hit on guys at the scottish games thinking the plaid kilts remind them of school girl uniforms.

Obviously certain portions of the anatomy are going to be more important to some people than others. Arguing the level of gayness in fringe porn is completely unproductive. Especially when the base of the argument is how convincing the corporeal is around the cock.

Subjective criteria concerning a gay genre that does nothing but occupy bandwidth on this site.

[SarahG]

Obviously certain portions of the anatomy are going to be more important to some people than others. Arguing the level of gayness in fringe porn is completely unproductive. Especially when the base of the argument is how convincing the corporeal is around the cock.

Subjective criteria concerning a gay genre that does nothing but occupy bandwidth on this site.

"More important than others"? Sometimes it is ALL that is taken to be important. Some people just like specific sized or shaped cocks, and could care less about anything else.

I wasn't talking about porn but in general btw.

[Trans Mission]

Obviously certain portions of the anatomy are going to be more important to some people than others. Arguing the level of gayness in fringe porn is completely unproductive. Especially when the base of the argument is how convincing the corporeal is around the cock.

Subjective criteria concerning a gay genre that does nothing but occupy bandwidth on this site.

"More important than others"? Sometimes it is ALL that is taken to be important. Some people just like specific sized or shaped cocks, and could care less about anything else.

I wasn't talking about porn but in general btw.

Actually, I meant to comment on how I thought you flipped my rhetorical question to make distilled statement. Good job.

Your contention is no different than straight guys. I know men who are obsessed with tits. I know guys that will eat pussy on chicks they just met in the bar that night with no clue as to what they're about. I don't consider these guys uber-straight any more than I consider the t-girl lovers who enjoy their phallic anatomy uber-gay. Of course, there will be infinite shades in between I'm just not willing to make sexuality of a fringe genre black and white.

Society banters about orientation enough, Hung Angels ought to be more open-minded, in my estimation.

[Trans Mission]

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[SarahG]

I know men who are obsessed with tits.

I wouldn't think otherwise. There are guys where the dealmaker/breaker is the girl's breasts, or her ass, or her hair color, or any number of other things.

That doesn't change that there are some people who could care less what the girl looks like except for her genitalia. Is that a bad thing? No, not at all. I could care less if that's what someone's preference is; except for a few points. First- I wouldn't want to date them because I would see someone like that as incompatible with me, and second- if that IS what a guy's preference is, he should at least have the balls to admit so instead of masquerading anyone who gets him hard as a TS girl.

I don't see anyone, at least in this thread that I have noticed, saying that "guys who are that cock obsessed should go away"- unlike the various posts I've seen recently saying that guys who are into postops shouldn't be on here. I would say people of both preferences are just as entitled to be on here- whether people with different tastes like it or not (conduct should still be important regardless- as a separate issue imho).

[Trans Mission]

[quote=Trans Mission]

I don't see anyone, at least in this thread that I have noticed, saying that "guys who are that cock obsessed should go away

But that's exactly the bone of contention so pervasive on this site. It's the impetus for this very argument? My whole point is, my derision about gays calling out gays. Pot calling the kettle black, etc. Living in houses that can be damaged by stones....

[russtafa]

i have already had this out with a guy at a tranny bar who told me he dosent like guys in skirts and guys who like them are gay,i told him i like them and whats he going to do about it =as usual nothing

[sucka4chix]

Of course that's what it's about! This site is full of hypocrisy and ironic hatred. Guys and girls who used to be guys that hate on guys who like cock. It's not about being obsessed, because if you even mention the dick you're called a cock hungry slobbering fag!
Some girls loathe their existence as a guy and thus spew venom at people who like the bain of their existence. Then the guys are such faggot ass-kissers that they lash out at whoever the girls don't like. Simply put: you have a cock and some people think that's disgusting and some don't. Does it make sense that the guys who appreciate you as is are hated???

[elo]

To use the example I've used in the past, some of the guys out there are so cock-blinded that they would probably accidentally hit on guys at the scottish games thinking the plaid kilts remind them of school girl uniforms.LMAO! :lol:

[Nicole Dupre]

because if you even mention the dick you're called a cock hungry slobbering fag!
Not true. The issue for most of us is hypocrisy. The same guy who sucked your dick last night is hating on you the next because you've made him feel gay. That's my only issue anyway.

Trust us when we tell you that we, the pre-op sex workers, see the dynamics of the situation accurately. We don't lead double lives like so many of you do. We respect your need for privacy though, and are always more than happy to provide you with a safe and discreet experience.

I'm sorry, but the people here who need to be nailed to a cyber cross are assholes like Phobun and Peggy. They only come here to pass judgement and pontificate, and a few token jpgs of condoms absolve them of nothing.

This is not a post op forum, and it never will be. I say run those two anonymous shit-talking motherfuckers out on a rail.

[sucka4chix]

because if you even mention the dick you're called a cock hungry slobbering fag!
Not true. The issue for most of us is hypocrisy. The same guy who sucked your dick last night is hating on you the next because you've made him feel gay. That's my only issue anyway.

Trust us when we tell you that we, the pre-op sex workers, see the dynamics of the situation accurately. We don't lead double lives like so many of you do. We respect your need for privacy though, and are always more than happy to provide you with a safe and discreet experience.

I'm sorry, but the people here who need to be nailed to a cyber cross are assholes like Phobun and Peggy. They only come here to pass judgement and pontificate, and a few token jpgs of condoms absolve them of nothing.

This is not a post op forum, and it never will be. I say run those two anonymous shit-talking motherfuckers out on a rail.

I don't see it like that at all. If you peruse this site you'll see many references to cock-bandits and shit when it doesn't apply. It's so fucking ass backwards here. The guys he think you're a freak because you have a cock and the want to look at it are the ones lauded here. Their the ones applauded for loving the "whole person" and the "total package" when actually they are the ones who are picking parts of the person they don't like. And it's not just 2 people!!
It's not just this board either. I was on a ts centric dating site and I was ready to kill bitches. They didn't understand the discretion you speak of and were very hateful toward admirers. Total turn off. So I just stick with real-time. Somehow TSes are grumpier when on the computer.

[jcinva]

There are some things you can change by working real hard and getting schooled up and clenching your teeth and hoping like the dickens. And there are some things you can't.

They are - no matter how much they wish they weren't.

It is - no matter how much you wish it wasn't.

Get over it.

In this, our Lord's year of 2009, a guy can put on a dress and shoot his chest up with just about anything he wants and still keep his job and home. And, a guy can slurp and ride on a weenie and still head out for beers and ten pin later that evening.

There's so much homophobia here, you could fill a coliseum. In one post, you read how tolerant a guy is. In the next, it's an explantion in exquisite detail how his sucking a cock isn't gay if the cock's owner is slim and pretty and well-tittied, and really believes he's a chick. And woe betide the poor bastard who points out, "Dude, you're talking about sucking a cock and you're a guy... not just an eensy bit gay?"

It's just much easier getting your arms around reality, as tough as it may initially be. After that you don't have to say stupid shit like, "her penis," and "ass-pussy."

Really, do you guys actually read some of the shit you write?

And the Truth shall set you Free.

[sucka4chix]

There are some things you can change by working real hard and getting schooled up and clenching your teeth and hoping like the dickens. And there are some things you can't.

They are - no matter how much they wish they weren't.

It is - no matter how much you wish it wasn't.

Get over it.

In this, our Lord's year of 2009, a guy can put on a dress and shoot his chest up with just about anything he wants and still keep his job and home. And, a guy can slurp and ride on a weenie and still head out for beers and ten pin later that evening.

There's so much homophobia here, you could fill a coliseum. In one post, you read how tolerant a guy is. In the next, it's an explantion in exquisite detail how his sucking a cock isn't gay if the cock's owner is slim and pretty and well-tittied, and really believes he's a chick. And woe betide the poor bastard who points out, "Dude, you're talking about sucking a cock and you're a guy... not just an eensy bit gay?"

It's just much easier getting your arms around reality, as tough as it may initially be. After that you don't have to say stupid shit like, "her penis," and "ass-pussy."

Really, do you guys actually read some of the shit you write?

And the Truth shall set you Free.

This is utter bullshit. This absolute thinking seems logical, but only to an outsider. If you can be just a little gay you should be able to be just a little straight--- that's nonsense. The fact is that gay is being defined by old assed standards. Yeah typically a guy who likes a cock would be gay. But in a day and age when a TS can look more feminine and attractive than a GG, the line is blurred. I've said it before, a guy who is attracted to Buck is far more gay than a guy attracted to Jennifer Paris, even if she has a dick and he has a twat! Sucking a t-girl cock may preclude you from being totally straight, whatever that is, but it doesn't make you gay, either. It puts you in a box where you don't fit in with either!!!! The fact that you claim homophobia (stupid fag myth) should prove that these people are not gay, nor do they want to be. You just want to classify them as such so you have something to bitch about.

[jcinva]

But in a day and age when a TS can look more feminine and attractive than a GG, the line is blurred. I've said it before, a guy who is attracted to Buck is far more gay than a guy attracted to Jennifer Paris, even if she has a dick and he has a twat! Sucking a t-girl cock may preclude you from being totally straight, whatever that is, but it doesn't make you gay, either. It puts you in a box where you don't fit in with either!!!! The fact that you claim homophobia (stupid fag myth) should prove that these people are not gay, nor do they want to be. You just want to classify them as such so you have something to bitch about.

The Buck argument is a red herring. It's come up before. Heterosexual does not necessarily equal desirable. Fucking Buck Angel is probably straight, but so would be fucking Janet Reno or Ruth Gordon. Het? Yes. Nasty? So very.

You're arguing with your Maury hat. The question isn't whether Jennifer or Buck can pass the Pepsi challenge. The Pepsi challenge measures opinion. The issue here is fact: what is and what ain't.

You could fool me, or you, a hundred or a thousand times, parading incredibly passable TSes in front of either of us. Don't change what is.

Add a little nutmeg and vanilla extract to a cup of hemlock and you could get a dozen or a hundred people to agree this here is some delicious toddy. Come back an hour later, and they'd still be dead.

Know why? It was fucking HEMLOCK. No matter how you well you dressed it up.

What is - is, and what ain't - ain't.
They ain't.

[scroller]

Trust us when we tell you that we, the pre-op sex workers, see the dynamics of the situation accurately. We don't lead double lives like so many of you do. We respect your need for privacy though, and are always more than happy to provide you with a safe and discreet experience.

Who was the escort bragging here in the last month or two about outing some guy to his wife/girlfriend who didn't show up to a particular appointment? I honestly don't remember.

[sucka4chix]

Apples and oranges. You're not adding nutmeg to hemlock, you're changing the basic chemistry of hemlock. Now is it still hemlock???
The Buck scenario is very valid. You are fixating on the sex. Being gay is a question of your sexuality not the other persons sex. By definition dick=male. You're extrapolating that since dick=male, partner has dick, you=gay. That doesn't work. If you like beards and muscles and the smell of old spice are you gay? Only if you like dick right? That's the only criteria for being gay, liking dick?? Gay is a lifestyle that encompasses far more than just cock. So you gotta have a little more interest than just dick to be gay!! Now the acts would undeniably be classified as homosexual because of the like genitalia, but not necessarily gay!

[Jim Brown]

Trust us when we tell you that we, the pre-op sex workers, see the dynamics of the situation accurately. We don't lead double lives like so many of you do. We respect your need for privacy though, and are always more than happy to provide you with a safe and discreet experience.

Who was the escort bragging here in the last month or two about outing some guy to his wife/girlfriend who didn't show up to a particular appointment? I honestly don't remember.

I never could understand why someone would beat a tranny to death, i usually think about it but couldnt come up with a reason why?

[Silcc69]

Sum guys like monster cocks like Dream has. Other like (ME INCLUDED.) prefer a feminine chick like Savannah. Sure she has a 5 inch dick that barely works but she's HOT!

[jcinva]

I'm suggesting the act of wanting, or doing most sorts of things one would do with a TS, are gay. 'Cause, like, you know - guys. At what point you are officially banned from the "He Man Heteros" club, I couldn't say. I'll leave that for brighter minds than mine.

Didn't like the hemlock analogy. OK.

In the course of figuring out the whole relativity thing, Einstein and a few others were so appalled at the ideas of quantum uncertainty and the expanding universe that they scrambled to add all sorts of constants and other extraneous crap to drag this new model of the Universe back onto "safe ground." Eventually, however, enough proof got set on the table that the community said, all this extra stuff, right here - unnecessary. The universe is expanding and at the quantum level, you can't know position and velocity. It may upset your notions of the way things "ought to be" but that's what is. Dealwiddit.

So, here you've got this situation where you've got a guy who decides, (or realizes he's always known) that he wants to be a chick and do chick shit, including have tits, hairless chest, sleep with guys, and read Nights in Rodanthe. And then there's a guy who realizes, holy shit, that person in the dress is fucking "hawt" and then there's Mr. Happy hanging out. Uh-oh.

Both have this epiphany - Aw crap! What I want to do is fucking GAY! I can't be GAY 'cause then I'll be ridiculed by my friends and family, and have to act like Jack MacFarland, and spend the rest of eternity wailing and gnashing my teeth in the Lake of Fire! Aw, man! That blows!

So, then, like Einstein, you get this whole community willing to hang all sorts of Sexological Constants, convoluted logic, and truly facially stupid notions, to demonstrate what they do or want is absolutely, under no circumstances, GAY. Cause that, of course, would be unspeakably horrible.

My suggestion is, the first time someone uttered the words, "her cock," with a straight face, that should have been the tip off that they were on some really, really thin ice. And maybe it was time to go back an re-check some of the initial assumptions. Abandon this illusion that they'd somehow transcended ancient, outdated, primitive notions of sex and sexuality and join the rest of the world in that place called - "Reality." This, it appears to me, is classic, "letting the little head think for the big one."

It's a gay thought or act. Dealwiddit and move on.


Just one opinion. I doubt I'll bring you around. "A man convinced against his will, and all that...."

[Nicole Dupre]

I don't see it like that at all. If you peruse this site you'll see many references to cock-bandits and shit when it doesn't apply. It's so fucking ass backwards here. The guys he think you're a freak because you have a cock and the want to look at it are the ones lauded here. Their the ones applauded for loving the "whole person" and the "total package" when actually they are the ones who are picking parts of the person they don't like. And it's not just 2 people!!
It's not just this board either. I was on a ts centric dating site and I was ready to kill bitches. They didn't understand the discretion you speak of and were very hateful toward admirers. Total turn off. So I just stick with real-time. Somehow TSes are grumpier when on the computer.

C'mon now. You know damn well you can't judge us all by an isolated case you read about online. As I mentioned in a thread here the other day, there are escort review sites giving out false info about girls they actually know nothing about. Unfortunately, that's something we as escorts have to put up with. Sorta like when a food critic bitches because he had to pay for his meal.

Similarly, this is a forum where homosexual drill sergeants like JC in VA, who's out for jacked up & discounted shit like houses being foreclosed on, find it very tempting to anonymously bully people. He knows that he's all about the cock, and not the girls, and this becomes his outlet to vent about it. Because HA doesn't allow for all the variables at play in in a genuine provider/client relationship. Respect goes out the window behind the anonymous safety of a keyboard. Talk is cheap, and some people get off on that.

But guys downloading free porn are not the same thing as generous admirers. Sure, some of the guys we meet as providers are dirt, but 99% are perfect gentlemen who understand the deal. Let's face it. The real purpose of this forum is to market 'chick with dick' porn and parties. Not to teach hookers how to put condoms on. Giving away freebie pics to cheap losers is only a marketing gimmick, not unlike happy hour. At the end of the day, guys like Phobun are lost and lonely, and the providers are loved and lucrative. But that's no excuse to undermine this forum, and try passing off grandmotherly logic based on fear as "the way it is". Most of you obviously know very little about "the way it is". Seriously, how experienced and knowledgeable about TS issues and facts does this dork seem to you? lol

http://browse.transvestites-247.co.uk/profile.aspx?user=jcinva

[jcinva]

Similarly, this is a forum where homosexual drill sergeants like JC in VA, who's out for jacked up & discounted shit like houses being foreclosed on, find it very tempting to anonymously bully people. He knows that he's all about the cock, and not the girls, and this becomes his outlet to vent about it. Because HA doesn't allow for all the variables at play in in a genuine provider/client relationship. Respect goes out the window behind the anonymous safety of a keyboard. Talk is cheap, and some people get off on that.

http://browse.transvestites-247.co.uk/profile.aspx?user=jcinva

Ah, Nick, my favorite chancre on this board. Never know when you're going to recur, but you can count on it being unpleasant and smelly.

You toss out that you've captured my attention and you're under my skin.

And yet, you patiently wait on the sidelines for me to post, so you can get in your plug, and toss out an insult or two. And now, you've ginned up this fictitious profile of me. Actually - it's more clever than I'd've given you credit for.

First you're working the angle of me as a gay, WoW fanatic. Now you're working the "British?" transvestite real estate flipper persona.

You'll have much more success on this if you'll make up one tale and stick with it. Then, it'll appear you have some facts, rather than just making shit up from your glue huffing visions.

I'd say, perhaps, I was under your skin, but honestly, I can't imagine a more repulsive place to be. It's very clear just how uncomfortable and unhappy you are in there.

Have you figured out yet, that all the tats in the world won't cover up that loathesome disposition of yours?

[blonde_sweetheart]

I'm suggesting the act of wanting, or doing most sorts of things one would do with a TS, are gay. 'Cause, like, you know - guys. At what point you are officially banned from the "He Man Heteros" club, I couldn't say. I'll leave that for brighter minds than mine.

Didn't like the hemlock analogy. OK.

In the course of figuring out the whole relativity thing, Einstein and a few others were so appalled at the ideas of quantum uncertainty and the expanding universe that they scrambled to add all sorts of constants and other extraneous crap to drag this new model of the Universe back onto "safe ground." Eventually, however, enough proof got set on the table that the community said, all this extra stuff, right here - unnecessary. The universe is expanding and at the quantum level, you can't know position and velocity. It may upset your notions of the way things "ought to be" but that's what is. Dealwiddit.

So, here you've got this situation where you've got a guy who decides, (or realizes he's always known) that he wants to be a chick and do chick shit, including have tits, hairless chest, sleep with guys, and read Nights in Rodanthe. And then there's a guy who realizes, holy shit, that person in the dress is fucking "hawt" and then there's Mr. Happy hanging out. Uh-oh.

Both have this epiphany - Aw crap! What I want to do is fucking GAY! I can't be GAY 'cause then I'll be ridiculed by my friends and family, and have to act like Jack MacFarland, and spend the rest of eternity wailing and gnashing my teeth in the Lake of Fire! Aw, man! That blows!

So, then, like Einstein, you get this whole community willing to hang all sorts of Sexological Constants, convoluted logic, and truly facially stupid notions, to demonstrate what they do or want is absolutely, under no circumstances, GAY. Cause that, of course, would be unspeakably horrible.

My suggestion is, the first time someone uttered the words, "her cock," with a straight face, that should have been the tip off that they were on some really, really thin ice. And maybe it was time to go back an re-check some of the initial assumptions. Abandon this illusion that they'd somehow transcended ancient, outdated, primitive notions of sex and sexuality and join the rest of the world in that place called - "Reality." This, it appears to me, is classic, "letting the little head think for the big one."

It's a gay thought or act. Dealwiddit and move on.


Just one opinion. I doubt I'll bring you around. "A man convinced against his will, and all that...."

Are you calling me a man?

[sucka4chix]

Sum guys like monster cocks like Dream has. Other like (ME INCLUDED.) prefer a feminine chick like Savannah. Sure she has a 5 inch dick that barely works but she's HOT!
And some of us would/have done both.

[rockabilly]

Some girls have "innies" and some have "outties". But they are all women to me.

[giovanni_hotel]

How many self-defined gay men, ( who typically have sex with other homosexual men) are seriously attracted to transwomen?

If the overwhelming majority of tranny admirers are self-described hetero men, I think the definition of what is a gay and hetero by necessity needs to be broadened.

If a str8 man has sex with a true female-identified hermaphrodite who also has a functional penis, does that also make him a homo??

I still hold that, okay, maybe being sexually attracted to TGs may be a little homo, but that's it.
Just a little homo, but mostly str8.

A lot of guys have engaged in behaviors, not all sexual, that most men would describe as a 'little homo'.

In HS there used to be a guy on my football team who would literally get out of the shower, sneak up on teammates sitting down getting dressed, bend over and spread his cheeks wide before yelling,
" Red eye!!"
He thought it was hilariously funny. Some of us called him a future faggot. And still he was knee deep in pussy.

I just don't get the point from HA members who feel the constant need to bring us str8 men back to reality to remind us that fucking/sucking tgirls means you're in denial.

I'm into chicks with big asses, pussy, and tgirls.

Simply stated, men don't make my dick hard, but trannies do.

[sucka4chix]

I'm suggesting the act of wanting, or doing most sorts of things one would do with a TS, are gay. 'Cause, like, you know - guys. At what point you are officially banned from the "He Man Heteros" club, I couldn't say. I'll leave that for brighter minds than mine.

Didn't like the hemlock analogy. OK.

In the course of figuring out the whole relativity thing, Einstein and a few others were so appalled at the ideas of quantum uncertainty and the expanding universe that they scrambled to add all sorts of constants and other extraneous crap to drag this new model of the Universe back onto "safe ground." Eventually, however, enough proof got set on the table that the community said, all this extra stuff, right here - unnecessary. The universe is expanding and at the quantum level, you can't know position and velocity. It may upset your notions of the way things "ought to be" but that's what is. Dealwiddit.

So, here you've got this situation where you've got a guy who decides, (or realizes he's always known) that he wants to be a chick and do chick shit, including have tits, hairless chest, sleep with guys, and read Nights in Rodanthe. And then there's a guy who realizes, holy shit, that person in the dress is fucking "hawt" and then there's Mr. Happy hanging out. Uh-oh.

Both have this epiphany - Aw crap! What I want to do is fucking GAY! I can't be GAY 'cause then I'll be ridiculed by my friends and family, and have to act like Jack MacFarland, and spend the rest of eternity wailing and gnashing my teeth in the Lake of Fire! Aw, man! That blows!

So, then, like Einstein, you get this whole community willing to hang all sorts of Sexological Constants, convoluted logic, and truly facially stupid notions, to demonstrate what they do or want is absolutely, under no circumstances, GAY. Cause that, of course, would be unspeakably horrible.

My suggestion is, the first time someone uttered the words, "her cock," with a straight face, that should have been the tip off that they were on some really, really thin ice. And maybe it was time to go back an re-check some of the initial assumptions. Abandon this illusion that they'd somehow transcended ancient, outdated, primitive notions of sex and sexuality and join the rest of the world in that place called - "Reality." This, it appears to me, is classic, "letting the little head think for the big one."

It's a gay thought or act. Dealwiddit and move on.


Just one opinion. I doubt I'll bring you around. "A man convinced against his will, and all that...."

Y'know, you've got just enough knowledge to be dangerous. You're just slightly off on so many things.
Contrary to what radicals want you to believe, you don't burn in the lake of fire simply because you're gay. Everyone sins. Not everyone dies IN their sins.
Your little story only takes into account people who want to be females. There are people out there who think they should've been born female, have a female soul, but realize they will never be that. So they stay in that "tweener" stage-- not completely male, not completely female, but Trans in the truest sense because they are a cross between both genders. This is why it's not a matter of coming up with a new way to call something old. It is indeed something new that deserves it's own terminology! Just saying you are either gay or straight is not enough. There is a neither.

[rockabilly]

lmao "Red Eye" Was he the wide receiver?

[cookiepuss]

How many self-defined gay men, ( who typically have sex with other homosexual men) are seriously attracted to transwomen?

If the overwhelming majority of tranny admirers are self-described hetero men, I think the definition of what is a gay and hetero by necessity needs to be broadened.

If a str8 man has sex with a true female-identified hermaphrodite who also has a functional penis, does that also make him a homo??

I still hold that, okay, maybe being sexually attracted to TGs may be a little homo, but that's it.
Just a little homo, but mostly str8.

A lot of guys have engaged in behaviors, not all sexual, that most men would describe as a 'little homo'.

In HS there used to be a guy on my football team who would literally get out of the shower, sneak up on teammates sitting down getting dressed, bend over and spread his cheeks wide before yelling,
" Red eye!!"
He thought it was hilariously funny. Some of us called him a future faggot. And still he was knee deep in pussy.

I just don't get the point from HA members who feel the constant need to bring us str8 men back to reality to remind us that fucking/sucking tgirls means you're in denial.

I'm into chicks with big asses, pussy, and tgirls.

Simply stated, men don't make my dick hard, but trannies do.


x 2 :claps

[SarahG]

There are some things you can change by working real hard and getting schooled up and clenching your teeth and hoping like the dickens. And there are some things you can't.

They are - no matter how much they wish they weren't.

It is - no matter how much you wish it wasn't.

So in other words, a guy could have sex with a trans person and still be straight, provided the trans person is a FtM?

You can't be serious...

I doubt you'd find a person in the country who would say a guy who finds buck angel hot is straight.


In this, our Lord's year of 2009, a guy can put on a dress and shoot his chest up with just about anything he wants and still keep his job and home.

Are we in the same reality here?

[jcinva]

Ah, the old "genuine, congenital hermaphrodite" argument. Nothing like dusting up the one in ten million case to validate everyone else trying to cram through the door. Not relevant. Abby and Brittany have two heads, one body - not really relevant to the rest of the population - especially if you're trying to push the notion that the rest of us are missing a head.

So - Which is the more likely?

A. that you and this tiny minority are on the leading edge of the new, evolved notions and philosophy of human sexuality, and that terms like "her cock," "girls with outties" aren't simply painful contrivances to allay concerns that someone might lay the unspeakable "H" on your doorstep, or


B. that a lot of folk are wading smack dab in the middle of this here:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/River_Nile_and_Bulaq_by_Piri_Reis.jpg/200px-River_Nile_and_Bulaq_by_Piri_Reis.jpg


Thanks for setting me straight on the Lake of Fire stuff. I hate brimstone. Plays hell with my sinuses, literally.

[jcinva]

I doubt you'd find a person in the country who would say a guy who finds buck angel hot is straight.

I thought I went over this - are you paying attention?

Do you think someone who found Ruth Gordon hot would be "straight?"

Straight sex isn't necessarily hot sex or appealing sex. You could fuck Ruth all day long and never cross the het/homo line, even once.

But then, you've got to go home and shower until the water heater runs out and put out your eyes.

It's Gross, but straight.

[blonde_sweetheart]

I doubt you'd find a person in the country who would say a guy who finds buck angel hot is straight.

I thought I went over this - are you paying attention?

Do you think someone who found Ruth Gordon hot would be "straight?"

Straight sex isn't necessarily hot sex or appealing sex. You could fuck Ruth all day long and never cross the het/homo line, even once.

But then, you've got to go home and shower until the water heater runs out and put out your eyes.

It's Gross, but straight.


Ruth Gordon is a woman , Buck Angel is a man! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH.Thats the sound of my hand flying over my head. PLEASEEE kill yourself.

[lerath666]

Little fact. Human beings, as a species do not yet fully understand the psychology of gender and sexuality.
In my opinion Notions of "gay" and "straight" are ridiculous. One could argue that liking anal sex makes you gay, because you can only fuck men in the ass. one can also argue that scat port, by definition, and relation to the butt is also homosexual.

One can also argue that Liking shag carpets, and silk makes you gay, and wearing flannel makes you strait.

All this is just bullshit.

It comes down to this. We ( Human beings) find whatever it is that turns us on attractive, and you DO NOT GET TO CHOOSE WHAT YOU LIKE. you simply like what you like.

Notions of heterosexuality, and homosexuality are outdated, and need to be reevaluated, and redesigned.

I prefer the southpark Definition of : Fag= An inconsiderate asshole. It's got nothing to do with sexuality anymore.

the world, she is a changing, you simply need to adapt to the world around you, or find a way off the bus.

[jcinva]

Ruth Gordon is a woman , Buck Angel is a man!


Ah, yeah - sure. Whatever.
Care for some Kool-Aid?

[sucka4chix]

I doubt you'd find a person in the country who would say a guy who finds buck angel hot is straight.

I thought I went over this - are you paying attention?

Do you think someone who found Ruth Gordon hot would be "straight?"

Straight sex isn't necessarily hot sex or appealing sex. You could fuck Ruth all day long and never cross the het/homo line, even once.

But then, you've got to go home and shower until the water heater runs out and put out your eyes.

It's Gross, but straight.
Yeah you went over it, but it has nothing to do with anything. Once again--apples and oranges. That may fly with morons, but I'm not one of those. Buck is not an ugly woman. To put it on your level, Buck is a woman with all the features of a man except a cock. And in a normal situation you wouldn't know that. So a man who sees Ruth Gordon in a bar and gets a hardon is not of the same sexual ilk as a man who sees Buck in a bar and gets a hardon. The second is indeed gay. The genitalia is irrelevant. He saw a man and was attracted. He doesn't all of a sudden get to be classified as straight because Buck happens to have a cunt! If you can't understand that then you are far too stupid for me to try to reason with.

[SarahG]

Care for some Kool-Aid?

Is it the Jim Jones flavor?

[blonde_sweetheart]

Ruth Gordon is a woman , Buck Angel is a man!


Ah, yeah - sure. Whatever.
Care for some Kool-Aid?

So why are you here?

[Andrew Johnson]

Does reading this thread mean I'm gay?

I sure hope not.... :oops:

[Silcc69]

What happened?

[jcinva]

Ruth Gordon is a woman , Buck Angel is a man!


Ah, yeah - sure. Whatever.
Care for some Kool-Aid?

So why are you here?

Naked pix. Drama. My personal crusade to bring all ye sinners to the foot of the Cross to repent and be redeemed in the Blood of Salvation before 2012 comes and sweeps us all into the Abyss.

Mostly the naked pix.

The usual.

You?

[SarahG]

Ruth Gordon is a woman , Buck Angel is a man!


Ah, yeah - sure. Whatever.
Care for some Kool-Aid?

So why are you here?

Naked pix. Drama. My personal crusade to bring all ye sinners to the foot of the Cross to repent and be redeemed in the Blood of Salvation before 2012 comes and sweeps us all into the Abyss.

Mostly the naked pix.

The usual.

You?

Sin is good for you

[rockabilly]

Amen

[jcinva]

Yeah you went over it, but it has nothing to do with anything. Once again--apples and oranges. That may fly with morons, but I'm not one of those. Buck is not an ugly woman. To put it on your level, Buck is a woman with all the features of a man except a cock. And in a normal situation you wouldn't know that. So a man who sees Ruth Gordon in a bar and gets a hardon is not of the same sexual ilk as a man who sees Buck in a bar and gets a hardon. The second is indeed gay. The genitalia is irrelevant. He saw a man and was attracted. He doesn't all of a sudden get to be classified as straight because Buck happens to have a cunt! If you can't understand that then you are far too stupid for me to try to reason with.

1. Buck is an extremely ugly woman. You think Buck is the only woman with facial hair and big arms? So, have all the "manly" woman suddenly become men, or just the ones who really, truly wished they were men and remembered to click their jackboot heels three times on Folsom Street under the full moon?

2. Genitalia is hardly irrelevant. But if you're committed to the point, saw yours off and mail it to me: General Delivery, Sacramento, CA 94205. I appreciate someone who's willing to back up their words.


I didn't know you wanted to play the "gotcha" game. 'Cause everyone here knows the TS's here are packing a penis.

There's no - "Whoa! Hullo! What have we here?! Well, you're just so damned cute, I see no reason to stop."

This isn't two guys checking out a couple of cute chicks from across the bar and suddenly morphing into full-on queers because, Surprise!, under their skirts the two "ladies" had penises. Gotcha!

This is guys coming to a board called HungAngels to check out biological males, knowing full well what they're going to find here (read: penises), and slap the bishop around for a while.

And then, when the post-coital discomfort about the possible "H-ness" of the desire comes a knockin', breathing that identity-preserving sigh of relief. "Whew, that was almost GAY! Thank God they're really women, otherwise that could've been awkward!"

[Nicole Dupre]

I'm suggesting the act of wanting, or doing most sorts of things one would do with a TS, are gay. 'Cause, like, you know - guys. At what point you are officially banned from the "He Man Heteros" club, I couldn't say. I'll leave that for brighter minds than mine.

Didn't like the hemlock analogy. OK.

In the course of figuring out the whole relativity thing, Einstein and a few others were so appalled at the ideas of quantum uncertainty and the expanding universe that they scrambled to add all sorts of constants and other extraneous crap to drag this new model of the Universe back onto "safe ground." Eventually, however, enough proof got set on the table that the community said, all this extra stuff, right here - unnecessary. The universe is expanding and at the quantum level, you can't know position and velocity. It may upset your notions of the way things "ought to be" but that's what is. Dealwiddit.

So, here you've got this situation where you've got a guy who decides, (or realizes he's always known) that he wants to be a chick and do chick shit, including have tits, hairless chest, sleep with guys, and read Nights in Rodanthe. And then there's a guy who realizes, holy shit, that person in the dress is fucking "hawt" and then there's Mr. Happy hanging out. Uh-oh.

Both have this epiphany - Aw crap! What I want to do is fucking GAY! I can't be GAY 'cause then I'll be ridiculed by my friends and family, and have to act like Jack MacFarland, and spend the rest of eternity wailing and gnashing my teeth in the Lake of Fire! Aw, man! That blows!

So, then, like Einstein, you get this whole community willing to hang all sorts of Sexological Constants, convoluted logic, and truly facially stupid notions, to demonstrate what they do or want is absolutely, under no circumstances, GAY. Cause that, of course, would be unspeakably horrible.

My suggestion is, the first time someone uttered the words, "her cock," with a straight face, that should have been the tip off that they were on some really, really thin ice. And maybe it was time to go back an re-check some of the initial assumptions. Abandon this illusion that they'd somehow transcended ancient, outdated, primitive notions of sex and sexuality and join the rest of the world in that place called - "Reality." This, it appears to me, is classic, "letting the little head think for the big one."

It's a gay thought or act. Dealwiddit and move on.


Just one opinion. I doubt I'll bring you around. "A man convinced against his will, and all that...."

Are you calling me a man?

He's been calling us all men, hon, either directly or indirectly. According to him, having a penis makes you a man no matter what, and two people with penises having sex are "gay" no matter what. That's exactly why he and I butted heads for the first time a few weeks ago. And he's never going to live it down on HA, just as Peggy Gee won't live down calling all pre-ops "untrue" transsexuals, and calling Phobun her "good friend".

This is NOT a post op forum, no matter how much they'd each like that to change. I know they must both be very lonely these days, but the can always leave if they don't like it. If not, I thnk that by all means they should stay and show us their true colors.

[jcinva]

having a penis makes you a man no matter what, and two people with penises having sex are "gay" no matter what.

Thank you!

+1 :claps


*...although, technically, I've said the act is gay. I don't really have any idea how many gay acts you have to accrue before you get transformed into an official "gay." I'll leave that for someone else to noodle over.

** And, for the record, I never said B.S./A.G. was a man. At just over 18 y.o., I think Ashley's still pretty much a kid. Making very adult decisions mind you, but a kid.

[blonde_sweetheart]

having a penis makes you a man no matter what, and two people with penises having sex are "gay" no matter what.

Thank you!

+1 :claps


*...although, technically, I've said the act is gay. I don't really have any idea how many gay acts you have to accrue before you get transformed into an official "gay." I'll leave that for someone else to noodle over.

** And, for the record, I never said B.S./A.G. was a man. At just over 18 y.o., I think Ashley's still pretty much a kid. Making very adult decisions mind you, but a kid.


I cannot believe I'm getting into this but I happen to like Nicole and I really don't like what you have to say.I think it's a shame that you clearly have no respect for any TRANSSEXUAL woman on this board or probably anywhere else.We aren't claiming to be genetic women , but we are women nonetheless.I am the ONLY one who can define myself.Call me a man thats fine . .call Nicole a man that's fine too we will just laugh at you.So tell me, what exactly is your agenda against transsexual women?You obviously have one judging by the nasty things you have to say to/about us.If you can't respect us I think you should probably leave this forum.I'll say this as kindly as I can(because unlike you I was brought up to respect others) You are not welcome here.

[Nicole Dupre]

I'll leave

Later, homo. :claps

[jcinva]

I cannot believe I'm getting into this but I happen to like Nicole and I really don't like what you have to say.I think it's a shame that you clearly have no respect for any TRANSSEXUAL woman on this board or probably anywhere else.We aren't claiming to be genetic women , but we are women nonetheless.I am the ONLY one who can define myself.Call me a man thats fine . .call Nicole a man that's fine too we will just laugh at you.So tell me, what exactly is your agenda against transsexual women?You obviously have one judging by the nasty things you have to say to/about us.If you can't respect us I think you should probably leave this forum.I'll say this as kindly as I can(because unlike you I was brought up to respect others) You are not welcome here.

What agenda, what insult? Identifying myself as a "man" myself, I obviously don't find being a "man" as innately demeaning.

The "new age" notion that only you can define yourself is largely bullshit. It gets tossed around here as axiomatic because, well, here is this place.

I went into Bank of America the other day and "identified" myself as Bill Gates and they threw my ass out the door. Try "identifying yourself" as the wrong blood type should you ever need a transfusion. You can stamp your little feet that you're AB Pos, but look out when they pop in that needle.

I think I can respect and like a person without having to buy every bit and parcel of their beliefs and ideologies. I have some good friends who voted differently from me and have the audacity to drive different makes of cars. Just 'cause I find their automotive and political judgments somewhat suspect doesn't mean I don't respect them.

If you've decided that everyone who doesn't agree with you 100% disrespects you, you are in for one lonely, bitter ride. That bitch Suzy doesn't think Lance Bass is the dreamiest! Fuck her! What? Orange isn't Sarah's favorite color? Why, the nerve of her!

As far as welcome here or not -- nice of you to toss out your $.02, but like so many teens, I think you've overestimated your importance. You're cute, but this ain't your board. I'll stick around until I get the bum's rush from the owners. May happen. May not. I click an awful lot of banners.

[Dirky]

For every guy like jcinva who considers all trans 'men', there's an overwhelming majority of us that think of you as women.

I wouldn't get too worked up over it, really.

[jcinva]

I'll leave

Later, homo. :claps

What I don't get Nick, is you have the wherewithal to fabricate a quote that I, of course, didn't write,

and still you insist on writing the word "faggot," with one "g."

Does your browser come with no spell check?

Ya know, creating the appearance of literacy might help your argumentation a bit. Less the knuckle-dragging psycho.

Oh - and your homophobia is showing again. Gotta watch that. Very impolitic, specially 'round here.

[Nicole Dupre]

I'll leave

Later, homo. :claps

What I don't get Nick, is you have the wherewithal to fabricate a quote that I, of course, didn't write,

and still you insist on writing the word "faggot," with one "g."

Does your browser come with no spell check?

Ya know, creating the appearance of literacy might help your argumentation a bit. Less the knuckle-dragging psycho.

Oh - and your homophobia is showing again. Gotta watch that. Very impolitic, specially 'round here.Shut up, fagit.

[MRSJHANIAHLOVE]

I cannot believe I'm getting into this but I happen to like Nicole and I really don't like what you have to say.I think it's a shame that you clearly have no respect for any TRANSSEXUAL woman on this board or probably anywhere else.We aren't claiming to be genetic women , but we are women nonetheless.I am the ONLY one who can define myself.Call me a man thats fine . .call Nicole a man that's fine too we will just laugh at you.So tell me, what exactly is your agenda against transsexual women?You obviously have one judging by the nasty things you have to say to/about us.If you can't respect us I think you should probably leave this forum.I'll say this as kindly as I can(because unlike you I was brought up to respect others) You are not welcome here.

What agenda, what insult? Identifying myself as a "man" myself, I obviously don't find being a "man" as innately demeaning.

The "new age" notion that only you can define yourself is largely bullshit. It gets tossed around here as axiomatic because, well, here is this place.

I went into Bank of America the other day and "identified" myself as Bill Gates and they threw my ass out the door. Try "identifying yourself" as the wrong blood type should you ever need a transfusion. You can stamp your little feet that you're AB Pos, but look out when they pop in that needle.

I think I can respect and like a person without having to buy every bit and parcel of their beliefs and ideologies. I have some good friends who voted differently from me and have the audacity to drive different makes of cars. Just 'cause I find their automotive and political judgments somewhat suspect doesn't mean I don't respect them.

If you've decided that everyone who doesn't agree with you 100% disrespects you, you are in for one lonely, bitter ride. That bitch Suzy doesn't think Lance Bass is the dreamiest! Fuck her! What? Orange isn't Sarah's favorite color? Why, the nerve of her!

As far as welcome here or not -- nice of you to toss out your $.02, but like so many teens, I think you've overestimated your importance. You're cute, but this ain't your board. I'll stick around until I get the bum's rush from the owners. May happen. May not. I click an awful lot of banners.youre a dicksucking faggot plain and simple :roll: GTFO!

[Silcc69]

jcinva y do u post on here?

[jcinva]

jcinva y do u post on here?

It's the people. I'm just a people person, really.



youre a dicksucking faggot plain and simple :roll: GTFO!

Now, where's the LOVE in JANIAHLOVE, there?
Not just mean, but plain ol' bad for business. It's the "dicksucking faggots," that put a roof over your head, dear.

Do give you props for spelling "faggot" correctly. See if you can't bring Nikki up to speed, wouldja?

[blonde_sweetheart]

Post a picture jcinva

[Nicole Dupre]

For every guy like jcinva who considers all trans 'men', there's an overwhelming majority of us that think of you as women.

I wouldn't get too worked up over it, really.

Dirky, I appreciate the sentiment, but what's wrong will never be right.

It will never be ok to label pre-op M2F sexworkers as "untrue" transsexuals.

It will never be ok to refer to pre-op M2F sexworkers as "gayboys with boobs".

It will never be ok for anonymous men to refer to ANY M2F as "male".

It will never be ok to paint escorting as a job with no future.

It will never be ok to portray M2F sexworkers as vapid and superficial.

I don't care who stays on HA. But if you want to dish it out, be prepared to take it. We may not be the most unified "community", but we're not going to roll over and die for a bunch of cowardly masturbators hiding in their closets and behind their computer screens. Or, at least I know that I won't.

And to some degree, those who are not with us actually ARE against us. So I suggest that those of you who do indeed appreciate us as women, regardless of our genitalia. stand up and be counted. Otherwise, download your free porn and, please, stfu. We've never needed you smug cowards before, and we sure as hell don't need you now.

[blonde_sweetheart]

[quote=Dirky] Otherwise, download your free porn and, please, stfu. We've never needed you smug cowards before, and we sure as hell don't need you now.

:claps :claps :claps :claps :claps :claps :claps

[paulgutierrez]

For every guy like jcinva who considers all trans 'men', there's an overwhelming majority of us that think of you as women.

I wouldn't get too worked up over it, really.

Dirky, I appreciate the sentiment, but what's wrong will never be right.

It will never be ok to label pre-op M2F sexworkers as "untrue" transsexuals.

It will never be ok to refer to pre-op M2F sexworkers as "gayboys with boobs".

It will never be ok for anonymous men to refer to ANY M2F as "male".

It will never be ok to paint escorting as a job with no future.

It will never be ok to portray M2F sexworkers as vapid and superficial.

I don't care who stays on HA. But if you want to dish it out, be prepared to take it. We may not be the most unified "community", but we're not going to roll over and die for a bunch of cowardly masturbators hiding in their closets and behind their computer screens. Or, at least I know that I won't.

And to some degree, those who are not with us actually ARE against us. So I suggest that those of you who do indeed appreciate us as women, regardless of our genitalia. stand up and be counted. Otherwise, download your free porn and, please, stfu. We've never needed you smug cowards before, and we sure as hell don't need you now.

What are you a sheminazi?

[GullyFoyle]

What I don't get N***, is you have the wherewithal to fabricate a quote that I, of course, didn't write,

Pretty damn funny coming from someone who completely took her out of context barely 30 minutes previously with the following quote :




having a penis makes you a man no matter what, and two people with penises having sex are "gay" no matter what.


Thank you!

+1 Applause

You of course left out the first part of that quote "According to him," (referring to you, jcinva). Way to demonstrate your innate hypocrisy dude.

[rockabilly]

You're all beautiful women to me. That's my 2¢.

[GullyFoyle]

The "new age" notion that only you can define yourself is largely bullshit. It gets tossed around here as axiomatic because, well, here is this place.

I went into Bank of America the other day and "identified" myself as Bill Gates and they threw my ass out the door. Try "identifying yourself" as the wrong blood type should you ever need a transfusion. You can stamp your little feet that you're AB Pos, but look out when they pop in that needle.

The only bullshit in this thread are the large pile of turds you leave behind like the above quote. I can't take anyone seriously if they think sexual identity and blood types are the same thing. Let alone something as insidious as identity theft. Now you're comparing transsexuals to criminals? Wow, just wow. :roll:

[Dirky]

For every guy like jcinva who considers all trans 'men', there's an overwhelming majority of us that think of you as women.

I wouldn't get too worked up over it, really.

Dirky, I appreciate the sentiment, but what's wrong will never be right.

It will never be ok to label pre-op M2F sexworkers as "untrue" transsexuals.

It will never be ok to refer to pre-op M2F sexworkers as "gayboys with boobs".

It will never be ok for anonymous men to refer to ANY M2F as "male".

It will never be ok to paint escorting as a job with no future.

It will never be ok to portray M2F sexworkers as vapid and superficial.

I don't care who stays on HA. But if you want to dish it out, be prepared to take it. We may not be the most unified "community", but we're not going to roll over and die for a bunch of cowardly masturbators hiding in their closets and behind their computer screens. Or, at least I know that I won't.

And to some degree, those who are not with us actually ARE against us. So I suggest that those of you who do indeed appreciate us as women, regardless of our genitalia. stand up and be counted. Otherwise, download your free porn and, please, stfu. We've never needed you smug cowards before, and we sure as hell don't need you now.

I don't think anyone with half a brain, whether it's a TS or their admirers, would dispute any of that. I just think there's a lot more of us here that do respect you as women but we're not as vocal as the minority that doesn't. I just hate to see a certain few paint the rest of us in a bad light. Some of us aren't trying to be armchair Freud's or father figures and aren't looking at HA as a dating service. We just want to be entertained by a bunch of unique WOMEN.

I must take exception to Nicole's quip about 'cowardly masturbators hiding in their closets'. I have never masturbated in my closet. There's simply no space in there to do that. :lol:

[giovanni_hotel]

Right on Dirky!!

I never spooged in the closet either!!

How insulting!!

[runamok]

...Against tranny admires who don't like the tranny cock and talking shit about cock loving tranny admires. I mean WTF??? Are you kidding me?? Youre on a gaddamn tranny forum and your calling people cock hounds. Seriously, are you being serious?

I think we should run them up and behead them or stone them to death.

Yeah, I feel what your saying. The lying liars here don't bother me. They all suck tranny cock, but why they gotta lie about it so...hatefully?

Closet christian republican, self-loathing faggots I imagine.

[jcinva]

It will never be ok to label pre-op M2F sexworkers as "untrue" transsexuals.

It will never be ok to refer to pre-op M2F sexworkers as "gayboys with boobs".

It will never be ok for anonymous men to refer to ANY M2F as "male".

It will never be ok to paint escorting as a job with no future.

It will never be ok to portray M2F sexworkers as vapid and superficial

"Germans?"

"Forget it. He's rolling."

[loren]

Hey jcinva :moon
:trolls

[Nivek]

I say as long as Children and animals aren't involved, what ever turns ppl on is their business. For someone to come on here and not be into Tranny poles, fine. But for someone to come on here and bash someone for liking trannies/genitalia that's just pointless, why are you on here then??

[phobun]

Apples and oranges. You're not adding nutmeg to hemlock, you're changing the basic chemistry of hemlock. Now is it still hemlock???
I tried to tell the cop that once I put the vodka into the orange juice, I could not possibly get drunk! That narrow-minded cop needs to evolve with the times and try to be as open-minded as I am.

Let's face facts: there is no objective external reality, and this is especially true for morphogenetic concepts such as a person's sex. A person's sex is always and everywhere a purely social and linguistic notion.

Newborns are too often tortured by the tendentious misrepresentations of doctors who see a penis and call it a boy. How absurd, callous and premodernist those doctors are!

[Trans Mission]

Wow, I can't believe how polarizing cock is on a transgendered porn forum? Is that not confounding to any other posters?

Something I meant to add to my previous posts about my disdain for what I feel to be, for the most part, feigned indignation regarding phallic appreciation on this forum is...I personally believe it's a compensatory mechanism negating ones inherent attraction. Essentially saying, I like men who dress like girls so invalidating men who enjoy oral with other girls men parts makes me straight by proxy. There's bound to be some Freudian superficiality in there somewhere isn't there, folks? I think it's guys caressing their very fragile ego.

Gimme Rosario or Maria from the "Transsexual Prostitute" series and I'll deliver a couple inches of diamond strength love.

I'd like Camilla, too but she tried to fly. Miriam, is hot, also but someone tried to make her fly.

Now, the trannies all referring to guys oral cavities as cock-holsters is beyond what my grape is willing to decipher.

[dgs925]

I want to join the jcinva fan club, reading this thread he just comes out on top. It's like he uses logic to back up his arguments, as radical an idea as that is.

Like him, I come here for the hot pics - but haven't drunk the kool aid yet. Unlike him though, I am willing to participate in the charade for the benefit of you ladies. You say you are women, I'll say you are women. In the end, at least in this little corner of the internet, it'll almost be like you actually are women.

It's only when people try to accuse each other of being the gay ones, that someone has to stand up and shatter the illusion saying "um, guys, we are all gay here". Thanks, jcinva, for being the one to say that.

[Coroner]

So the cock suckers are savagely attacking the minority?

[Nicole Dupre]

For every guy like jcinva who considers all trans 'men', there's an overwhelming majority of us that think of you as women.

I wouldn't get too worked up over it, really.

Dirky, I appreciate the sentiment, but what's wrong will never be right.

It will never be ok to label pre-op M2F sexworkers as "untrue" transsexuals.

It will never be ok to refer to pre-op M2F sexworkers as "gayboys with boobs".

It will never be ok for anonymous men to refer to ANY M2F as "male".

It will never be ok to paint escorting as a job with no future.

It will never be ok to portray M2F sexworkers as vapid and superficial.

I don't care who stays on HA. But if you want to dish it out, be prepared to take it. We may not be the most unified "community", but we're not going to roll over and die for a bunch of cowardly masturbators hiding in their closets and behind their computer screens. Or, at least I know that I won't.

And to some degree, those who are not with us actually ARE against us. So I suggest that those of you who do indeed appreciate us as women, regardless of our genitalia. stand up and be counted. Otherwise, download your free porn and, please, stfu. We've never needed you smug cowards before, and we sure as hell don't need you now.

What are you a sheminazi?

Are you fucking nuts? lol I love being objectified and given false validation on MY terms. 8)

So, no. I'm no feminist, but I can most definitely be a royal CUNT. lol

[blonde_sweetheart]

I want to join the jcinva fan club, reading this thread he just comes out on top. It's like he uses logic to back up his arguments, as radical an idea as that is.

Like him, I come here for the hot pics - but haven't drunk the kool aid yet. Unlike him though, I am willing to participate in the charade for the benefit of you ladies. You say you are women, I'll say you are women. In the end, at least in this little corner of the internet, it'll almost be like you actually are women.

It's only when people try to accuse each other of being the gay ones, that someone has to stand up and shatter the illusion saying "um, guys, we are all gay here". Thanks, jcinva, for being the one to say that.


If you can't respect us please stop posting here.That goes for both of you

[bte]

Some guys are just idiots, nuff said. There's a good portion of the guys on this forum have never been with a transsexual and they are fixated on this sexual fantasy fetish. I think if the guys call the girls: men, fags, gayboys, battyboys, or what the fuck ever, then the guys should be banned. Because nobody came here for the guys to sprew their 10 cent psychobabble, guys (and some girls) come here for the pictures and to talk to transsexuals.

[dgs925]

If you can't respect us please stop posting here.That goes for both of you

Thanks for talking to me cutie, but I'll stay. I respect you, but don't believe everything you believe.


I think if the guys call the girls: men, fags, gayboys, battyboys, or what the fuck ever, then the guys should be banned

First off, wtf is a battyboy? Second, from your argument I take it you believe that a girl calling a guy a fag is OK, as well as a guy calling another guy a fag. Those aren't bannable, but call a girl a guy and get the fuck out?

I don't need to point out the logical inconsistencies there.

[bte]

Batty boy (bhatti boy or batty bwoy) is just another name for a gay person.

Name calling is never okay, but if a girl calls you a fag and you know you're not, then don't sweat it. If a boy calls a girl a boy then thats unacceptable, considering that without the girls on the forum then it would just be a bunch of guys trading pics of t-girls. Although I imagine that we would still have the discussions of "Am I gay?" even if there are no girls on the forum.

[Nicole Dupre]

Guys who have no connection to TS women irl are the only one's trapped in this "M2F are actually gay males" quagmire of their own making.

God, it must suck to be them.

[dgs925]

If a boy calls a girl a boy then thats unacceptable, considering that without the girls on the forum then it would just be a bunch of guys trading pics of t-girls.

Excellent point, I'll cut that out now.

[Nicole Dupre]

If you can't respect us please stop posting here.That goes for both of you

Thanks for talking to me cutie, but I'll stay. I respect you, but don't believe everything you believe.



First off, wtf is a battyboy? Second, from your argument I take it you believe that a girl calling a guy a fag is OK, as well as a guy calling another guy a fag. Those aren't bannable, but call a girl a guy and get the fuck out?

I don't need to point out the logical inconsistencies there.

Jcinva is obviously ok with being gay, so why can't we call him a 'fag'? If you believe that you're gay too, why not just accept it when we actually call you gay? I'm very close friends with all kinds of people, fags and dykes included. Queers have no issue with being called "queer". Every gay guy I know throws around the the "f" and the "q" words. So why are you two such touchy homos?

Actually, I do know exactly why. lol ;) Ya know what you and jcinva are actually telling? You're both telling us that you're in the closet. Anyone who falls into the lgbt category can tell you that.

[jcinva]

Jcinva is obviously ok with being gay, so why can't we call him a 'fag'? If you believe that you're gay too, why not just accept it when we actually call you gay? I'm very close friends with all kinds of people, fags and dykes included. Queers have no issue with being called "queer". Every gay guy I know throws around the the "f" and the "q" words. So why are you two such touchy homos?

Actually, I do know exactly why. lol ;) Ya know what you and jcinva are actually telling? You're both telling us that you're in the closet. Anyone who falls into the lgbt category can tell you that.

And, of course, it comes right back to point #1 -

If you believe that a man is gay for fantasizing or engaging in sexual acts with a transsexual, then it follows - inescapably - that you, Nicole, believe - really, truly believe, that M2F transsexuals, including yourself...

ARE GUYS.

Sorry, Nikki - can't have your cake and eat it on this point. You get to sling around the H, G, or F words about all the cumguzzling, knob polishers on the board, as much as you like. In doing so, however, you concede to your deepest, most personal belief, that despite all the surgeries, make up, ranting, and that awesome little Tranny Manifesto you posted back a couple pages ago

despite page after page of denial

you still believe yourself to be a guy.

Otherwise, you'd be the first to take a bullet before you'd permit one of your "admirers" to be tagged by anyone with the epithet, "queer."

Because permitting an "admirer" to be labeled a "queer" or "fag" says as much about you, as it does them.

Thank you & Good night.

[Nicole Dupre]

And, of course, it comes right back to point #1 -

If you believe that a man is gay for fantasizing or engaging in sexual acts with a transsexual, then it follows - inescapably - that you, Nicole, believe - really, truly believe, that M2F transsexuals, including yourself...

ARE GUYS.

Sorry, Nikki - can't have your cake and eat it on this point. You get to sling around the H, G, or F words about all the cumguzzling, knob polishers on the board, as much as you like. In doing so, however, you concede to your deepest, most personal belief, that despite all the surgeries, make up, ranting, and that awesome little Tranny Manifesto you posted back a couple pages ago

despite page after page of denial

you still believe yourself to be a guy.

Otherwise, you'd be the first to take a bullet before you'd permit one of your "admirers" to be tagged by anyone with the epithet, "queer."

Because permitting an "admirer" to be labeled a "queer" or "fag" says as much about you, as it does them.

Thank you & Good night.

Dummy, you're not placating me here. The only point anything's coming to, on this thread, is the one on your head.

You, and your internal struggle with your OWN sexuality, are what's queer here.

Gay men are notorious for only zoning in on genitalia, and that's exactly what you've done and are continuing to do.

But, hey. It's ok. Cock comes first for you. We totally get it. Furthermore, we still love you as a human being. We don't care if you're gay.

Women rarely do. So, if you need your dick on a girl to make it seem any less gay for you, we'll simply let you enjoy it and be done with it.

But, sweetheart, I'm STILL a chick with a dick.

You're the gay man here.

Not me.

You.

Not the guys who appreciate our beauty FIRST.

You.

Not the women who appreciate a handsome man for simply being a handsome man.

YOU.

So you're never proving a fucking thing at this rate, Mr Paralegal Drill Sargent.

Only fags argue with women anyway, and you most certainly have nothing to worry about proving when it comes to doing that.

[dgs925]

Nicole, it's like you don't even know how to read. You crack me up!

[Nicole Dupre]

Nicole, it's like you don't even know how to read. You crack me up!
W/e. You clearly have nothing substantial to contribute here. Your every post is ambiguous and negative, unless you're admitting to be gay.

Look. Some guys like going into the locker room for the show, but some guys just wanted to change their clothes after they exercised. But they all had access to the locker room. Seriously, we get it. Ok?

You and jcinva are here for cock. You're gay. Wtf do want us to do about it? Do we all have to be gay with you now? I seriously don't follow you.

[blonde_sweetheart]

Well Nicole is right as usual. I'm honestly laughing at the fact that jcinva (an anonymous fag on a porn forum) think's he has more authority on my gender than I do! It's all just entertainment for me , I'm attractive,intelligent,confident,have a loving supportive family & friends.Once again ,you are an anonymous "man" on a porn forum.You have absolutely no authority on my life.

[phobun]

And, of course, it comes right back to point #1 -

If you believe that a man is gay for fantasizing or engaging in sexual acts with a transsexual, then it follows - inescapably - that you, Nicole, believe - really, truly believe, that M2F transsexuals, including yourself...

ARE GUYS.

Sorry, Nikki - can't have your cake and eat it on this point. You get to sling around the H, G, or F words about all the cumguzzling, knob polishers on the board, as much as you like. In doing so, however, you concede to your deepest, most personal belief, that despite all the surgeries, make up, ranting, and that awesome little Tranny Manifesto you posted back a couple pages ago

despite page after page of denial

you still believe yourself to be a guy.

Otherwise, you'd be the first to take a bullet before you'd permit one of your "admirers" to be tagged by anyone with the epithet, "queer."

Because permitting an "admirer" to be labeled a "queer" or "fag" says as much about you, as it does them.

Thank you & Good night.
Dupre can't change reality by wishing a dream (womanhood) to be true. For the very bitter Dupre, the dream will always be just that, a dream.

Guys here know that lots of transsexuals have realized their dreams. These girls look like girls. Their verbal and non-verbal demeanor is consistent with who they say they are. They're sweet-hearted women who often ride off into the sunset with the guys who love them.

But if you look like a dappled Joe Pesci in drag, and act like a petulant screaming queen, that ain't gonna happen. And no desperate soul willing to play make-believe, even as he's zipping up his pants and returning to real life, $125 poorer, can validate the masquerade.

So Dupre fully understands the implications of calling the guys here "fags". By using that slur, Dupre is admitting the truth about Dupre's gender, while revealing a ton of self-hatred for not realizing the dream.

[giovanni_hotel]

JCinva, etc., honestly, why are you even here on HA?

I mean, why did you sign up for an account and decide to post on these forums??

If you and djs925 truly believe trannies are 'men', then by association, your participating in this unique community admittedly devoted to individuals whom you define as 'men', and your looking at erotic pics and graphic sexual images of these said 'men' having sex with other men, would, in my humble opinion, mean you are GAY.

In which case Nicole is 100% correct in calling you exactly what you are, whether she uses slurs, very appropriate considering your self-righteous tone, or not.

Personally I feel you're conflicted emotionally and sexually by your obvious attraction to trannies, phobun too is included.

I too, used to have questions about my sexuality because of the lust I had for TGs, until I realized that it was no longer issue when I stopped trying to psychoanalize why girls like Nicole make me stand at attention(!!).

Instead of trying to decipher where trans-females fit in the gender/sexuality continuum, it may be more helpful if you accept that they exist in their own separate category.

Collectively, their identity is not effeminate; it is FEMALE.

If you've ever interacted with a TG socially, you may be surprised how quickly your stereotypes about who/what a transwomen is replaced by the overwhelming feeling you are encountering a woman fully, not a man in drag.

I dunno, maybe it's the cock issue that's the hangup for some guys. I can understand that, it used to be the same for me as well.

All I can say is, the most crass, simplistic definition of a pre-op TG woman - a girl with a dick - actually is the easiest, most succinct way to classify a tgirl.

If it's a dick thing, GET OVER IT!!

Things are much more fun that way, trust me!!

IF you can't, well, you and I know that you really shouldn't be here.

Why torture yourself??

I mean, she's really a girl...
but she has a cock...
but I'm str8...
but she's so HOTT!!...
I wanna suck/fuck her so bad...
but I'm not into dudes at all....
but she's got such a pretty ding ding!.....
but she's a girl....
but I'm a REAL man!....

Dude, why torture yourself??

IMO, it's far more normal than abnormal for a str8 guy to sexually into tgirls, and I'm certain any girl would tell you the same thing.

[fred41]

If you've ever interacted with a TG socially, you may be surprised how quickly your stereotypes about who/what a transwomen is replaced by the overwhelming feeling you are encountering a woman fully, not a man in drag.

..well that part of your quote might be the problem right there. When I first started posting on this particular site..I just naturally assumed it was mostly clients, potential clients or people that had social interaction with transsexuals IRL..such as dating or LTR (sorry Internet chats don't really count)...all here to find out more info on TS lifestyle and so on..(since this is one of the few sites where you can do that)

...Boy was I wrong..lol.