Why do so many TS go into escorting?

[Stigian]

Random question I know but, I am guessing it more because it's hard getting a normal 9to5 still with how people still seem to view the TS community? It just popped into my head last night and now I'm curious. Anyone have any insight on this?

[Dinand]

I'm guessing they like sex but more importantly....the money?

[rockabilly]

The hours are flexible and they get to be their own boss.

[LibertyHarkness]

money basically . go get a job that pays you £300-500 a day not many of them about :)

[phobun]

Random question I know but, I am guessing it more because it's hard getting a normal 9to5 still with how people still seem to view the TS community? It just popped into my head last night and now I'm curious. Anyone have any insight on this?
For any person, moving up generally requires people to improve their skills, work hard and stay out of trouble.

For people who go into prostitution, they are attempting to take the easy route by engaging in a trade that necessitates no special skills. They do this for immediate cash and usually don't pay taxes.

It can be a problem later in life when appearances fade or they get sick and need another source of income, but have an empty C.V. or no record of paying income taxes.

The decision to begin opening any orifice to strangers bringing cash is short-sighted to say the least.

There are lots of transsexuals who improve their education or skills and work in respectable fields. It is a cop-out to whine that it can't be done.

[fred41]

It is a cop-out to whine that it can't be done.


Sometimes...it can't be done (not realistically).

[SarahG]

There are lots of transsexuals who improve their education or skills and work in respectable fields. It is a cop-out to whine that it can't be done.

I don't think many people are arguing that it can't be done, it's that people are left having to decide between delaying all of the work they need/want done to fulfill their educational needs, or going into prostitution to fulfill those needs sooner.

Until someone finishes their education, getting the funding to get all those surgeries just isn't much of an option. The marketability of a trans student, frankly, sucks. Typical employment for that demographic would be min wage or slightly above min wage labor, neither of which would pay enough to cover their expenses as a student to say nothing of even the most basic trans expenses like therapy, hrt, and electro/laser.

A trans person who just finished their education then has to worry about their student loans in addition to having to find a job in an environment where they are not as competitive as non-trans applicants. When it's all said and done, going through the typical education route and getting a white collar 9 to 5 job can delay a transition by up to ten years- far too late for anyone who is under so much duress over transsexualism as to be in a state of "transition or die." Forget 10 years, the 4-6 years it can take to obtain a BA would be an eternity for someone who needs (but cannot afford) FFS to pass.

I am sure a lot of people under such scenarios would gladly choose to live in poverty if it meant being able to pass and look the way they want or need. As the saying goes, "you have to walk before you can run," and for a lot of trans people that "walk" part would be transitioning to the point of passing. If sex work can enable someone to get there sooner, it's not that illogical of a choice. Think of it this way, if someone can't pass because they need a surgery yet- why would they even care about retirement? I suspect the suicide rates are evidence enough that many trans people would rather opt to die than to live like that for too long. There's only so much pain someone could put up with.

The question would be, "what then?" At some point someone going that route of sex work is going to get their eminent surgery needs fulfilled, at which point they would have more choices as to whether to stay in prostitution, switch fields, or a combination thereof so as to obtain health insurance, retirement savings, etc.

[LibertyHarkness]

many people use escorting to fund other career oportunities .. the real issue with escorting is that hte girl has an exit strategy and is saving the money she makes ..

i escort around my photo/model work ..it pays for surgery/model shoots/kit/websites .. once i hava done what i need to do i will no longer need to escort so tht part will be finishd with ..

as to not pay taxes .. alot of escorts do declarie earnings and pay tax as its not hard for inland revune to investigate a worker ..

there is nothing wrong with escorting/porn work at all.. you are just merely using your body as a tool to sell a service, as long as you have a business head on you , dont fall iinto the drugs,drink etc its all fine ..

[phobun]

There are lots of transsexuals who improve their education or skills and work in respectable fields. It is a cop-out to whine that it can't be done.

I don't think many people are arguing that it can't be done, it's that people are left having to decide between delaying all of the work they need/want done to fulfill their educational needs, or going into prostitution to fulfill those needs sooner.

Until someone finishes their education, getting the funding to get all those surgeries just isn't much of an option. The marketability of a trans student, frankly, sucks. Typical employment for that demographic would be min wage or slightly above min wage labor, neither of which would pay enough to cover their expenses as a student to say nothing of even the most basic trans expenses like therapy, hrt, and electro/laser.

A trans person who just finished their education then has to worry about their student loans in addition to having to find a job in an environment where they are not as competitive as non-trans applicants. When it's all said and done, going through the typical education route and getting a white collar 9 to 5 job can delay a transition by up to ten years- far too late for anyone who is under so much duress over transsexualism as to be in a state of "transition or die." Forget 10 years, the 4-6 years it can take to obtain a BA would be an eternity for someone who needs (but cannot afford) FFS to pass.

I am sure a lot of people under such scenarios would gladly choose to live in poverty if it meant being able to pass and look the way they want or need. As the saying goes, "you have to walk before you can run," and for a lot of trans people that "walk" part would be transitioning to the point of passing. If sex work can enable someone to get there sooner, it's not that illogical of a choice. Think of it this way, if someone can't pass because they need a surgery yet- why would they even care about retirement? I suspect the suicide rates are evidence enough that many trans people would rather opt to die than to live like that for too long. There's only so much pain someone could put up with.

The question would be, "what then?" At some point someone going that route of sex work is going to get their eminent surgery needs fulfilled, at which point they would have more choices as to whether to stay in prostitution, switch fields, or a combination thereof so as to obtain health insurance, retirement savings, etc.
But this does not account for the transsexuals who don't want or need surgery and yet enter prostitution. Breast augmentation is not necessary to pass (in fact, the exaggerated augmentations so frequently seen may draw more attention to the person attempting to pass), and not everyone requires a full-facial reconstruction to pass.

My hunch is that most people would not kill themselves if they could not transition immediately. The presence of many young transsexuals on the internet and youtube describing how they did it legally can reassure girls just starting out that their goals are achievable. Further, the traditional route of obtaining a Bachelor degree is by no means the only way to improve one's marketable skills; in fact, a technical or trade program is probably more efficient and lucrative, at least in the short term.

I still believe that in most cases, it is a person's strength of character that determines whether he or she takes short-cuts in life.

[archineer]

Many girls feel that if they're going to get used then at least they can make the guys pay. Many girls have regular, and often high paying careers yet still escort on the side because of this.

[elo]

Random question I know but, I am guessing it more because it's hard getting a normal 9to5 still with how people still seem to view the TS community? It just popped into my head last night and now I'm curious. Anyone have any insight on this?Are really so many TS escorting?Way more GG are escorting.Is the percentage of TS escorting higher than the percentage of GG escorting?I doubt it.
Why are people escorting?Because there is a lot of money to make with no education.

[Silcc69]

Random question I know but, I am guessing it more because it's hard getting a normal 9to5 still with how people still seem to view the TS community? It just popped into my head last night and now I'm curious. Anyone have any insight on this?Are really so many TS escorting?Way more GG are escorting.Is the percentage of TS escorting higher than the percentage of GG escorting?I doubt it.
Why are people escorting?Because there is a lot of money to make with no education.

There are more GG in the world than TG.

[phobun]

Many girls feel that if they're going to get used then at least they can make the guys pay. Many girls have regular, and often high paying careers yet still escort on the side because of this.
This is not the case for the vast majority. And arguably, it is difficult to maintain "high paying careers" if you have an internet presence advertising prostitution or stand on a street corner flailing your goods.

Using people goes both ways: a girl can extract dinners and gifts from guys, if she is actually desirable, without resorting to escort work.

[trish]

I’m not sure what the percentage of escorts is among transgender women or why so many of them do escort if in fact so many do. The cost of transitioning would certainly be a factor, especially for girls from poorer backgrounds or girls whose gender issues have estranged them from their families; families that would have otherwise been an economic safety net. I know some people here think that escorts degrade themselves for money. For those without puritan hang-ups it can be both an entertaining and educational business. You get to meet with all sorts of people, question and learn under the most intimate circumstances. I no longer escort, but I paid for both my transitioning and undergraduate education by holding down two low wage jobs and escorting. Escorting was by far the most lucrative, the most challenging and the most worthwhile of the three.

[Nowhere]

There are lots of transsexuals who improve their education or skills and work in respectable fields. It is a cop-out to whine that it can't be done.

I don't think many people are arguing that it can't be done, it's that people are left having to decide between delaying all of the work they need/want done to fulfill their educational needs, or going into prostitution to fulfill those needs sooner.

Until someone finishes their education, getting the funding to get all those surgeries just isn't much of an option. The marketability of a trans student, frankly, sucks. Typical employment for that demographic would be min wage or slightly above min wage labor, neither of which would pay enough to cover their expenses as a student to say nothing of even the most basic trans expenses like therapy, hrt, and electro/laser.

A trans person who just finished their education then has to worry about their student loans in addition to having to find a job in an environment where they are not as competitive as non-trans applicants. When it's all said and done, going through the typical education route and getting a white collar 9 to 5 job can delay a transition by up to ten years- far too late for anyone who is under so much duress over transsexualism as to be in a state of "transition or die." Forget 10 years, the 4-6 years it can take to obtain a BA would be an eternity for someone who needs (but cannot afford) FFS to pass.

I am sure a lot of people under such scenarios would gladly choose to live in poverty if it meant being able to pass and look the way they want or need. As the saying goes, "you have to walk before you can run," and for a lot of trans people that "walk" part would be transitioning to the point of passing. If sex work can enable someone to get there sooner, it's not that illogical of a choice. Think of it this way, if someone can't pass because they need a surgery yet- why would they even care about retirement? I suspect the suicide rates are evidence enough that many trans people would rather opt to die than to live like that for too long. There's only so much pain someone could put up with.

The question would be, "what then?" At some point someone going that route of sex work is going to get their eminent surgery needs fulfilled, at which point they would have more choices as to whether to stay in prostitution, switch fields, or a combination thereof so as to obtain health insurance, retirement savings, etc.
But this does not account for the transsexuals who don't want or need surgery and yet enter prostitution. Breast augmentation is not necessary to pass (in fact, the exaggerated augmentations so frequently seen may draw more attention to the person attempting to pass), and not everyone requires a full-facial reconstruction to pass.

My hunch is that most people would not kill themselves if they could not transition immediately. The presence of many young transsexuals on the internet and youtube describing how they did it legally can reassure girls just starting out that their goals are achievable. Further, the traditional route of obtaining a Bachelor degree is by no means the only way to improve one's marketable skills; in fact, a technical or trade program is probably more efficient and lucrative, at least in the short term.

I still believe that in most cases, it is a person's strength of character that determines whether he or she takes short-cuts in life.

No, no, and no.

You're totally wrong. I haven't seen a girl who 'passed' without either transitioning at a young age (with support from family) or FFS. And given that most girls are tossed out on the street by family and 'friends', where the hell is someone going to get the $20-100K to pay to make themselves look female enough not to be discriminated against, when they're just trying to survive.

I am 1000% sure that if transitioning was covered by medical insurance (and don't argue the finer points of morality on that) and that it was ILLEGAL to discriminate against those who transition, you'd see 95% less girls 'working'.

Haven't you even read other girls posting on how they were refused jobs to be even grocery baggers?

You are not grounded in reality, man.

Most of the public at large is 'weirded out' by trans girls, if they are not nearly 100% passable, and based on that trivial emotion, hires NONE of them. Just look at the 'trans jobs' threads posted here. They are nearly all related to the trans community or by a handful of companies who happen to have a personal connection to it.

The truth of the matter is that nearly all girls who transition are systemically discriminated against in having any sort of normal job, let alone career, and it forces them down that path, whether they enjoy it or not.

[elo]

Random question I know but, I am guessing it more because it's hard getting a normal 9to5 still with how people still seem to view the TS community? It just popped into my head last night and now I'm curious. Anyone have any insight on this?Are really so many TS escorting?Way more GG are escorting.Is the percentage of TS escorting higher than the percentage of GG escorting?I doubt it.
Why are people escorting?Because there is a lot of money to make with no education.

There are more GG in the world than TG.Sure.But i was talking about the percentage also.

[Silcc69]

Random question I know but, I am guessing it more because it's hard getting a normal 9to5 still with how people still seem to view the TS community? It just popped into my head last night and now I'm curious. Anyone have any insight on this?Are really so many TS escorting?Way more GG are escorting.Is the percentage of TS escorting higher than the percentage of GG escorting?I doubt it.
Why are people escorting?Because there is a lot of money to make with no education.

There are more GG in the world than TG.Sure.But i was talking about the percentage also.

My bad IDK why I said that.

[TsVanessa69]

I did it because I couldnt get a normal job,
I did it because I needed the money to pay rent to have my own place, and pay for my work i wanted done on my body, which minimual wage jobs would have covered both, so I even if I could have gotten one, I wouldnt be where I wanted to be in life.
I do it now because the money maintains me where I want to be.
I do it now, because even when I had a "real" job, me didn"t treat me any differently, the still treat you like a dirty secret.
I do it now because I am at that point in my life where I deserve the money to do what I want in life.
For all the shit life has dealt me, yea, I deserve something to make me happy and yes, thats money.
No its not an easy way out, no its not fast money or fun.
But I have to do what I have to do to get the money to fund those few moments in my life where I feel happiness, and sadly but true, money is my happiness, call it shallow if you want, but I've spent so much of my lfe being ashamed and held back for being me and doing what I have to do to be where I want to be, that I am no longer ashamed to be or do ME.
I am a pre-op transexual, who escorts.
Oh well, it could be worse.
I been on both sides of the fence and I'll just sit in the middle now and work both ends to get all I can out of it.
And I don't feel bad about it.

[TsVanessa69]

Random question I know but, I am guessing it more because it's hard getting a normal 9to5 still with how people still seem to view the TS community? It just popped into my head last night and now I'm curious. Anyone have any insight on this?Are really so many TS escorting?Way more GG are escorting.Is the percentage of TS escorting higher than the percentage of GG escorting?I doubt it.
Why are people escorting?Because there is a lot of money to make with no education.
I see it like this.
Men cheat on their wives and girlfriends with us for an "expierence".
Even single guys see ts as "ts".
MOST men don't see us as woman, but sexual fantasies made reality.
So why the fuck not get paid???
In exchange for treating me like a freakshow and a fantasy you keep behind closed doors, I should be paid for every moment I am with you.
Now when a man treats me like a WOMAN and not a ts, then things go different.
Guys need to wise up. We have feelings and emotional needs just like everybody else, and MOST guys aren't man enough to give us that, so we'll take the money.
Say what you guys want about these thug guys you envy, but they treat me like a WOMAN, they take me out to eat, they take me to movies, and they go and support me in my shows, no matter if its a gay or straight enviroment, so of course I don't treat them like tricks, because they don't treat me like a ts.
Its a plain and easy concept.
And for all those concerned and critical of ts escorting, pick one, support her and give her the money she needs to do what she has to do, or shut the fuck up and let us handle our business our way.
None of you who talk about us, date us or have any clue about us except what you see on the internet.

[TsVanessa69]

Random question I know but, I am guessing it more because it's hard getting a normal 9to5 still with how people still seem to view the TS community? It just popped into my head last night and now I'm curious. Anyone have any insight on this?
For any person, moving up generally requires people to improve their skills, work hard and stay out of trouble.

For people who go into prostitution, they are attempting to take the easy route by engaging in a trade that necessitates no special skills. They do this for immediate cash and usually don't pay taxes.

It can be a problem later in life when appearances fade or they get sick and need another source of income, but have an empty C.V. or no record of paying income taxes.

The decision to begin opening any orifice to strangers bringing cash is short-sighted to say the least.

There are lots of transsexuals who improve their education or skills and work in respectable fields. It is a cop-out to whine that it can't be done.
Actually its NOT a cop out.
Its not because we are NOT educated.
And ya know what, now in 2009 its easier to get a job.
So I got one.
I was treated like shit, under paid and when funding ran out, my postition was terminated.
Was I a bad employee, no, it was all due to the economy and etc, yada yada yada,
but I still paid my $1050 a month rent, all my bills and my maintainance, by what??
ESCORTING.
Yes I do have a history of paying taxes even though I escort.
Some of us have more than one iron in the fire baby, you seem to underestimate our ability to hustle!
But if you think we are so undeucated and lazy, ho w about you cover my rent, bills and maintainance a few months, expierece REAL life with a ts and I bet you will change that lame ass opinion quick, fast and in a hurry!

[phobun]

There are lots of transsexuals who improve their education or skills and work in respectable fields. It is a cop-out to whine that it can't be done.

I don't think many people are arguing that it can't be done, it's that people are left having to decide between delaying all of the work they need/want done to fulfill their educational needs, or going into prostitution to fulfill those needs sooner.

Until someone finishes their education, getting the funding to get all those surgeries just isn't much of an option. The marketability of a trans student, frankly, sucks. Typical employment for that demographic would be min wage or slightly above min wage labor, neither of which would pay enough to cover their expenses as a student to say nothing of even the most basic trans expenses like therapy, hrt, and electro/laser.

A trans person who just finished their education then has to worry about their student loans in addition to having to find a job in an environment where they are not as competitive as non-trans applicants. When it's all said and done, going through the typical education route and getting a white collar 9 to 5 job can delay a transition by up to ten years- far too late for anyone who is under so much duress over transsexualism as to be in a state of "transition or die." Forget 10 years, the 4-6 years it can take to obtain a BA would be an eternity for someone who needs (but cannot afford) FFS to pass.

I am sure a lot of people under such scenarios would gladly choose to live in poverty if it meant being able to pass and look the way they want or need. As the saying goes, "you have to walk before you can run," and for a lot of trans people that "walk" part would be transitioning to the point of passing. If sex work can enable someone to get there sooner, it's not that illogical of a choice. Think of it this way, if someone can't pass because they need a surgery yet- why would they even care about retirement? I suspect the suicide rates are evidence enough that many trans people would rather opt to die than to live like that for too long. There's only so much pain someone could put up with.

The question would be, "what then?" At some point someone going that route of sex work is going to get their eminent surgery needs fulfilled, at which point they would have more choices as to whether to stay in prostitution, switch fields, or a combination thereof so as to obtain health insurance, retirement savings, etc.
But this does not account for the transsexuals who don't want or need surgery and yet enter prostitution. Breast augmentation is not necessary to pass (in fact, the exaggerated augmentations so frequently seen may draw more attention to the person attempting to pass), and not everyone requires a full-facial reconstruction to pass.

My hunch is that most people would not kill themselves if they could not transition immediately. The presence of many young transsexuals on the internet and youtube describing how they did it legally can reassure girls just starting out that their goals are achievable. Further, the traditional route of obtaining a Bachelor degree is by no means the only way to improve one's marketable skills; in fact, a technical or trade program is probably more efficient and lucrative, at least in the short term.

I still believe that in most cases, it is a person's strength of character that determines whether he or she takes short-cuts in life.

No, no, and no.

You're totally wrong. I haven't seen a girl who 'passed' without either transitioning at a young age (with support from family) or FFS. And given that most girls are tossed out on the street by family and 'friends', where the hell is someone going to get the $20-100K to pay to make themselves look female enough not to be discriminated against, when they're just trying to survive.

I am 1000% sure that if transitioning was covered by medical insurance (and don't argue the finer points of morality on that) and that it was ILLEGAL to discriminate against those who transition, you'd see 95% less girls 'working'.

Haven't you even read other girls posting on how they were refused jobs to be even grocery baggers?

You are not grounded in reality, man.

Most of the public at large is 'weirded out' by trans girls, if they are not nearly 100% passable, and based on that trivial emotion, hires NONE of them. Just look at the 'trans jobs' threads posted here. They are nearly all related to the trans community or by a handful of companies who happen to have a personal connection to it.

The truth of the matter is that nearly all girls who transition are systemically discriminated against in having any sort of normal job, let alone career, and it forces them down that path, whether they enjoy it or not.No doubt the girls you have known, and your own anecdotes, contribute much to your sense of conviction. But I don't agree that the situation, in most cases, need be as dire as your opinions suggest. There are transsexuals who were at least initially rejected by their families, and yet made a success of themselves, without escorting.

Discrimination no doubt exists and individuals who need extensive facial reconstruction, by no means the majority, face a more difficult time. But it is not as if girls must either pass 100% in stealth, or be relegated into escort work.

Everyone who escorts is going to excuse what they do and why they do it. I still maintain that it is strength of character that determines whether people attempt short-cuts in life. Too often, girls realize after starting as an escort that it is not a very easy short-cut.

[TsVanessa69]

There are lots of transsexuals who improve their education or skills and work in respectable fields. It is a cop-out to whine that it can't be done.

Until someone finishes their education, getting the funding to get all those surgeries just isn't much of an option. The marketability of a trans student, frankly, sucks. Typical employment for that demographic would be min wage or slightly above min wage labor, neither of which would pay enough to cover their expenses as a student to say nothing of even the most basic trans expenses like therapy, hrt, and electro/laser.

A trans person who just finished their education then has to worry about their student loans in addition to having to find a job in an environment where they are not as competitive as non-trans applicants. When it's all said and done, going through the typical education route and getting a white collar 9 to 5 job can delay a transition by up to ten years- far too late for anyone who is under so much duress over transsexualism as to be in a state of "transition or die." Forget 10 years, the 4-6 years it can take to obtain a BA would be an eternity for someone who needs (but cannot afford) FFS to pass.

I am sure a lot of people under such scenarios would gladly choose to live in poverty if it meant being able to pass and look the way they want or need. As the saying goes, "you have to walk before you can run," and for a lot of trans people that "walk" part would be transitioning to the point of passing. If sex work can enable someone to get there sooner, it's not that illogical of a choice. Think of it this way, if someone can't pass because they need a surgery yet- why would they even care about retirement? I suspect the suicide rates are evidence enough that many trans people would rather opt to die than to live like that for too long. There's only so much pain someone could put up with.

The question would be, "what then?" At some point someone going that route of sex work is going to get their eminent surgery needs fulfilled, at which point they would have more choices as to whether to stay in prostitution, switch fields, or a combination thereof so as to obtain health insurance, retirement savings, etc.
But this does not account for the transsexuals who don't want or need surgery and yet enter prostitution. Breast augmentation is not necessary to pass (in fact, the exaggerated augmentations so frequently seen may draw more attention to the person attempting to pass), and not everyone requires a full-facial reconstruction to pass.

My hunch is that most people would not kill themselves if they could not transition immediately. The presence of many young transsexuals on the internet and youtube describing how they did it legally can reassure girls just starting out that their goals are achievable. Further, the traditional route of obtaining a Bachelor degree is by no means the only way to improve one's marketable skills; in fact, a technical or trade program is probably more efficient and lucrative, at least in the short term.

I still believe that in most cases, it is a person's strength of character that determines whether he or she takes short-cuts in life.

No, no, and no.

You're totally wrong. I haven't seen a girl who 'passed' without either transitioning at a young age (with support from family) or FFS. And given that most girls are tossed out on the street by family and 'friends', where the hell is someone going to get the $20-100K to pay to make themselves look female enough not to be discriminated against, when they're just trying to survive.

I am 1000% sure that if transitioning was covered by medical insurance (and don't argue the finer points of morality on that) and that it was ILLEGAL to discriminate against those who transition, you'd see 95% less girls 'working'.

Haven't you even read other girls posting on how they were refused jobs to be even grocery baggers?

You are not grounded in reality, man.

Most of the public at large is 'weirded out' by trans girls, if they are not nearly 100% passable, and based on that trivial emotion, hires NONE of them. Just look at the 'trans jobs' threads posted here. They are nearly all related to the trans community or by a handful of companies who happen to have a personal connection to it.

The truth of the matter is that nearly all girls who transition are systemically discriminated against in having any sort of normal job, let alone career, and it forces them down that path, whether they enjoy it or not.No doubt the girls you have known, and your own anecdotes, contribute much to your sense of conviction. But I don't agree that the situation, in most cases, need be as dire as your opinions suggest. There are transsexuals who were at least initially rejected by their families, and yet made a success of themselves, without escorting.

Discrimination no doubt exists and individuals who need extensive facial reconstruction, by no means the majority, face a more difficult time. But it is not as if girls must either pass 100% in stealth, or be relegated into escort work.

Everyone who escorts is going to excuse what they do and why they do it. I still maintain that it is strength of character that determines whether people attempt short-cuts in life. Too often, girls realize after starting as an escort that it is not a very easy short-cut.

Im not going to make excuses, but until you live a day inside my body, in the real world, in the City of Chicago, being Latina, then you can see what the other side is like.
I hate people trying to access our lives, and our worth, being an ousider looking in.
Potilically correct, thats not me.
Reality and what you people want reality to be are 2 very different things.
Escorting is at the end of the day a job.
A paying job.
Now thats something that in this day, in this ecocnmy, not too many people can say they have or are going to keep.
I been on both sides of the fence.

[peggygee]

Just look at the 'trans jobs' threads posted here. They are nearly all related to the trans community or by a handful of companies who happen to have a personal connection to it.



A fair number of the jobs listed in the Transfriendly Job Listings
thread (http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=16294&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0) are from agencies and companies in the TLGB community, however
many are not.

Indeed there are many mainstream companies that offer competitive
salaries, and good benifit packages to their employees.

As an example of a transwoman who has been able to work in mainstream
America, I would like to proffer myself.

Of the jobs that I have had during my career none have been in agencies
or companies that had trans friendly policies in place, though admittedly I
did work in stealth.

Was I lucky, special, an enigma?

No, rather a Black woman who was very determined that I wasn't going
to be told what I could and could not achieve.

I was, and am the Captain of my ship, and the Miistress of my destiny.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/needajob.jpg

Transfriendly Job Listings (http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=16294&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

[fred41]

Well here in New York, as in L.A. and a lot of the other big cities in the U.S....a lot of the girls in the latin community (as well as a lot of people..period)..don't have papers. WTF do some of the guys (and even some of the girls) on this site expect them to do. This accounts for a lot of girls...maybe not in Europe where some of the other members are from..but here in the states. I've personally known girls who are undocumented , transition..and support a huge cast of family and friends back home. They don't drive Beemers or live in luxury condos..a ton of the money goes back home, friends in need ,etc. Do you honestly expect them to do that on money earned being a waitress.

...and how many of you men.would give up a job that makes (and I'm just guessing) up to 100,000 a year or more "tax free"..to make 40000 0r less. If you say you would..I would say BULLSHIT.

I've heard and seen some of the hardships some of the girls went (and go) through. So unless some of the critical men on this site are prepared to list the hurdles they had to cross in their lives..I would suggest that maybe they keep their criticism to themselves.

[TsVanessa69]

Well here in New York, as in L.A. and a lot of the other big cities in the U.S....a lot of the girls in the latin community (as well as a lot of people..period)..don't have papers. WTF do some of the guys (and even some of the girls) on this site expect them to do. This accounts for a lot of girls...maybe not in Europe where some of the other members are from..but here in the states. I've personally known girls who are undocumented , transition..and support a huge cast of family and friends back home. They don't drive Beemers or live in luxury condos..a ton of the money goes back home, friends in need ,etc. Do you honestly expect them to do that on money earned being a waitress.

...and how many of you men.would give up a job that makes (and I'm just guessing) up to 100,000 a year or more "tax free"..to make 40000 0r less. If you say you would..I would say BULLSHIT.

I've heard and seen some of the hardships some of the girls went (and go) through. So unless some of the critical men on this site are prepared to list the hurdles they had to cross in their lives..I would suggest that maybe they keep their criticism to themselves.
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!

[blacktgirls]

a lot of TS girls say they didn't know who they really were in life until the first time they met a TS ...... so if their first encounter with a TS is on the streets while they themselves are male prostituting i wonder if they really believed that they too were a TS girl or they just liked the thought of all the looks and attention the TS prostitutes were drawing on the streets .

[phobun]

Well here in New York, as in L.A. and a lot of the other big cities in the U.S....a lot of the girls in the latin community (as well as a lot of people..period)..don't have papers. WTF do some of the guys (and even some of the girls) on this site expect them to do. This accounts for a lot of girls...maybe not in Europe where some of the other members are from..but here in the states. I've personally known girls who are undocumented , transition..and support a huge cast of family and friends back home. They don't drive Beemers or live in luxury condos..a ton of the money goes back home, friends in need ,etc. Do you honestly expect them to do that on money earned being a waitress.

...and how many of you men.would give up a job that makes (and I'm just guessing) up to 100,000 a year or more "tax free"..to make 40000 0r less. If you say you would..I would say BULLSHIT.

I've heard and seen some of the hardships some of the girls went (and go) through. So unless some of the critical men on this site are prepared to list the hurdles they had to cross in their lives..I would suggest that maybe they keep their criticism to themselves.
This is a real problem that extends outside of prostitution. To what extent do Americans tolerate the presence of undocumented workers?... only as far as undocumented workers keep prices low.

Undocumented workers are cheap labor. Americans not only tolerate it insofar as it benefits themselves, they ignore the genuine hardships undocumented people face. Are the guys who meet undocumented prostitutes in private, or throw a bit of cash at them at a party, then go back to their cushy lives, any less contemptible than the rest of America in exploiting cheap human labor?

That being said, most TS sex workers are not undocumented workers. Also, there are many people who work modest jobs in the $40-50k range and do not cut corners or engage in illegal activities and tax evasion, even though it might boost their incomes.

[archineer]

Escorting shouldn't be illegal. Its nobodys business what goes on between two consenting adults is nobody elses business particuarly not the goverment. Selling is legal, sex is legal- so why is selling sex not legal?

[SarahG]

individuals who need extensive facial reconstruction, by no means the majority, face a more difficult time.

"by no means the majority"!?

Facial surgery is in all practical respects the rule, not the exception. Certainly it's a YMMV as to how much facial surgery we're talking about (not everyone who needs a procedure needs full blown FFS), but most trans people- even those who start in their teens, end up needing at least one surgery on their face whether we're talking a forehead advance or a lip lift, or bony work on their chin, or rhinoplasty, etc.

The girls who can pass perfectly without a single surgery are for the most part uncommon. Even among girls who start early, the establishment goes so far to keep hrt out of the hands of people under 18, and 18 can be a few years too late when we're talking about forehead masculation, early onset male pattern baldness, and stuff like that which can only really be treated with surgery, and not always successfully.

Starting young is only a sure thing for avoiding FFS if we're talking about people who have not yet, or just barely, started puberty (early teens or younger).

However, I will acknowledge, there are girls out there who pass despite their flaws, but only when wearing makeup, or only when having their hair styled in certain ways (like, to hide their hairline), or using wigs. Why do you think so many trans girls have bangs?* People under those scenarios could live a normal day to day life prior to getting those flaws fixed without anyone suspecting a thing, provided they keep those needs in check. It would be my observation that when it comes to passing, two of the biggest things for people who are borderline are 1- finding a hairstyle that works for them, 2- finding clothes that works for them.



But it is not as if girls must either pass 100% in stealth, or be relegated into escort work.

Agreed, though I would call passing 100% unclockable. There are girls who pass fine who are not unclockable. The difference is scrutiny. If I say "that girl is trans" people will react one of two ways, they will either go "ok... I can see that, she is pretty tall, her voice always seemed kinda odd to me, her face does look a bit masculine" OR they will go "no way, I don't believe you- you're clearly making that up."

In the case of the former, without someone going "hey, you see that girl over there? Did you know she's trans?" people never would have suspected it.


Everyone who escorts is going to excuse what they do and why they do it.

I wouldn't say everyone, plenty of people out there are frank about why they went into escorting, and don't have the insecurities that would need excuses for validation. Personally I see nothing neccessarilly or absolutely wrong with it, I can respect someone who says "I started escorting because it allowed me to transition sooner." I understand that line of reasoning.

After all, it's that kind of reasoning that I went with when I went on HRT DIY. Someone could make the case that I was "taking a short cut" by going DIY and that it would have been better if I had "waited until I had proof that I was sane, and the ability to get bloodwork done starting at day 1" but I was in a difficult situation where that didn't seem like the best option for me. In my case guys in my family are usually bald by 20, if I had waited just another year or two to do things the SoC way, I would have been forced to use wigs for life, which was not something I was about to let happen.





* To an extent this applies to all trans girls, only girls who start before puberty can pull off a shaved head because of the way the male skull differs above the hairline. Damn few trans girls could ever pass perfectly while having a death hawk for instance. Hell there are some GG's that wouldn't be able to pass with a hairstyle like that.

[phobun]

Escorting shouldn't be illegal. Its nobodys business what goes on between two consenting adults is nobody elses business particuarly not the goverment. Selling is legal, sex is legal- so why is selling sex not legal?
Go tell it to the state assemblies and state senates of almost all of the 50 states, as well as their governors.

[Yoite]

There's a good number of ts girls out there that are 'normal' ones that don't escort (and some that go entirely stealth into a community). Not every ts escorts. Would I say the majority? No. The reason you come to this presumption is from hanging out around a website then endorses escorts and pornography. Some ts's would rather live a normal quiet life rather then one of grandiosity that comes from escorting or working in pornography.

edit~ I claim this page in the name of zuul!

[phobun]

individuals who need extensive facial reconstruction, by no means the majority, face a more difficult time.

"by no means the majority"!?

Facial surgery is in all practical respects the rule, not the exception. Certainly it's a YMMV as to how much facial surgery we're talking about (not everyone who needs a procedure needs full blown FFS), but most trans people- even those who start in their teens, end up needing at least one surgery on their face whether we're talking a forehead advance or a lip lift, or bony work on their chin, or rhinoplasty, etc.
I think we probably agree on this, but I was responding to his statement, quote: "I haven't seen a girl who 'passed' without either transitioning at a young age (with support from family) or FFS." I had said "extensive facial reconstruction" and you said "full blown FFS" so I think we probably agree for the most part.

A nose job or tracheal shave are not prohibitively expensive goals that necessitate a girl to begin prostituting herself in order to transition.

[rockabilly]

Yoite , are you the gatekeeper?

I'm the keymaster.

[SarahG]

There's a good number of ts girls out there that are 'normal' ones that don't escort (and some that go entirely stealth into a community). Not every ts escorts. Would I say the majority? No. The reason you come to this presumption is from hanging out around a website then endorses escorts and pornography. Some ts's would rather live a normal quiet life rather then one of grandiosity that comes from escorting or working in pornography.

edit~ I claim this page in the name of zuul!

I would agree with this actually, I don't suppose most trans girls do escort.

Besides, by the numbers, most trans girls are late midlife crisis transitioners.

The people who think most trans girls escort usually have a very limited type of trans girl in mind when they make those comments, and never even think about the hundreds (thousands?) of boomers out there who waited into their 40s, 50s, or 60s to transition.

[TsVanessa69]

a lot of TS girls say they didn't know who they really were in life until the first time they met a TS ...... so if their first encounter with a TS is on the streets while they themselves are male prostituting i wonder if they really believed that they too were a TS girl or they just liked the thought of all the looks and attention the TS prostitutes were drawing on the streets .
Being ts is a mental and emotional state that a true ts is always aware of in her life.
I knew I was supposed to be a girl and was already living in the straight world for 5 years before I even saw a gay club or a drag queen, much less a tgirls,
And I wasn;t a male prostituting either.
I was in cosmetology school learning hair and make up, so when I went out in public, I had a more flattering look.
Escorting didnt come into play until I wanted to fully transition, or get work done to make myself look how I wanted too and afford my rent to my OWN apartment.
Yes I have a rental history, a good one with no evictions, and I pay my rent on time.
Since I was 19 at that.

[phobun]

There's a good number of ts girls out there that are 'normal' ones that don't escort (and some that go entirely stealth into a community). Not every ts escorts. Would I say the majority? No. The reason you come to this presumption is from hanging out around a website then endorses escorts and pornography. Some ts's would rather live a normal quiet life rather then one of grandiosity that comes from escorting or working in pornography.

edit~ I claim this page in the name of zuul!
Well put.

Insular people only know what they see. It's like the folks who expressed shock that their candidate, McCain, lost... "But everyone I know voted for him!"

[SarahG]

A nose job or tracheal shave are not prohibitively expensive goals that necessitate a girl to begin prostituting herself in order to transition.

Fair enough, if we're talking not just a single procedure, but one of the cheaper single procedures, then you would probably be correct in that respect. Though I did not have trach shaves in mind earlier (given that it's not on the face), though if we were to include that it would be more appropriate to go from "a single procedure" to talking about "a couple procedures" since the trach shave is pretty much a given for most people.

The again, a trach shave could be delayed successfully by someone who then hides their neck routinely with scarfs, turtlenecks, chokers, collars, and the like [this wouldn't always be practical]- just as some of the girls with male hairlines can put off a scalp advance by simply having bangs 24/7/365

It would be once we start getting into bony work (chin or forehead), scalp advances, and so on that things start to get expensive.

[Yoite]

I'm not even talking about those that decide to transition later on life (thought there are many and most do not work in the industry). I have a few trans friends I keep in touch with online from different communities. One is studying to be a lawyer (she's almost done to I'm so stoked for her). Another is an engineer. Generally, it comes down to their background that leads them one way or another. The reason I did porn was because I found it to be a lot of fun, not for the money. At the time I had a really well paying job with amazing benefits working at the casino near me. It was more so a free vacation to CA to hang out with Buddy Wood (still think he's a really cool guy and miss talking to him). When I worked at the casino few people knew I was trans (only the management staff knew for the most part, one guy in particular used to have rather fun conversations with me about it). People didn't find out until later when they heard I had done porn and looked into it.

[SarahG]

I should add, however, that things usually add up quickly. Figure having a trach shave in the US would typically set a girl back by anywhere from 2-4 depending which surgeon we're talking about.

Throw in another minor procedure like rhinoplasty (3-7 depending on the surgeon) or a scalp advance (3-8 depending on the surgeon)

Then there is hair removal costs, not sure what the going rate for that is these days (anyone want to chime in there?) but I would figure it would be at a minimum of another 2-3 grand when its all said and done.

So for the absolute bare min we're talking a good 7 to 15 grand.

But most people wouldn't want to settle for the bare min; most trans girls are going to need implants to have breasts that look fully developed, that's another 4-7 grand- so we're talking 10 to 20 grand in expenses for a typical young pre-op transitioner- not counting therapy, HRT, or SRS/orchis.

When including those other things, I think 30-40 grand would be a reasonable educated guess. Far too much for any college student to be able to pull off on their own, and comparable to a full year's gross income the first year after getting a white collar job after graduation!

[Stigian]

There's a good number of ts girls out there that are 'normal' ones that don't escort (and some that go entirely stealth into a community). Not every ts escorts. Would I say the majority? No. The reason you come to this presumption is from hanging out around a website then endorses escorts and pornography. Some ts's would rather live a normal quiet life rather then one of grandiosity that comes from escorting or working in pornography.

edit~ I claim this page in the name of zuul!



Very true.

[peggygee]

I should add, however, that things usually add up quickly. Figure having a trach shave in the US would typically set a girl back by anywhere from 2-4 depending which surgeon we're talking about.

Throw in another minor procedure like rhinoplasty (3-7 depending on the surgeon) or a scalp advance (3-8 depending on the surgeon)

Then there is hair removal costs, not sure what the going rate for that is these days (anyone want to chime in there?) but I would figure it would be at a minimum of another 2-3 grand when its all said and done.

So for the absolute bare min we're talking a good 7 to 15 grand.

But most people wouldn't want to settle for the bare min; most trans girls are going to need implants to have breasts that look fully developed, that's another 4-7 grand- so we're talking 10 to 20 grand in expenses for a typical young pre-op transitioner- not counting therapy, HRT, or SRS/orchis.

When including those other things, I think 30-40 grand would be a reasonable educated guess. Far too much for any college student to be able to pull off on their own, and comparable to a full year's gross income the first year after getting a white collar job after graduation!

I would say that the figures you quoted are spot on.

And yes a woman who starts her transition early on might get by with
HRT, rhinoplasty, and a trach shave, but you're right most women
wouldn't be happy with the minimum, I know I wasn't.

While I didn't do a full FFS, I have had surgeries or procedures just about
everywhere from head to toe, including the GRS.

In my case my means of financing was very creative: employment, credit
cards, loans, hustling in many different variations, student loans, heallth
insurance.

It didn't all happen overnight, but I was able to get my procedures done
while I was still young, and don't have to worry about them now that I'm
older.

[raybbaby]

One word answer: Money
I can't believe there's 5 pages of horseshit on here regarding this question.

[TsVanessa69]

One word answer: Money
I can't believe there's 5 pages of horseshit on here regarding this question.
yea its funny!
Escorting is a job.
You provide a service, you are paid.
So whats the big deal?
Not like any of the guys bitching and moaning even date ts in real life, much less wife us up.

[JamesHunt]

One word answer: Money

You're so cynical :roll:

Has it ever occured to you that they may enjoy the psychological counseling aspect of the job, and the cash is just a bonus :wink:

[blacktgirls]

a lot of TS girls say they didn't know who they really were in life until the first time they met a TS ...... so if their first encounter with a TS is on the streets while they themselves are male prostituting i wonder if they really believed that they too were a TS girl or they just liked the thought of all the looks and attention the TS prostitutes were drawing on the streets .
Being ts is a mental and emotional state that a true ts is always aware of in her life.
I knew I was supposed to be a girl and was already living in the straight world for 5 years before I even saw a gay club or a drag queen, much less a tgirls,
And I wasn;t a male prostituting either.
I was in cosmetology school learning hair and make up, so when I went out in public, I had a more flattering look.
Escorting didnt come into play until I wanted to fully transition, or get work done to make myself look how I wanted too and afford my rent to my OWN apartment.
Yes I have a rental history, a good one with no evictions, and I pay my rent on time.
Since I was 19 at that.what's wrong with being a hairdresser and a make up artist ? it's a very gay friendly proffession . so what if transition is a little slower money wise .what i was saying is some girls feel that other girls are more interested in the glam of being a TS , the increase in money to be made in TS prostitution as compared to male prostitution , and that these girls are not truly transgendered .

[Silcc69]

One word answer: Money
I can't believe there's 5 pages of horseshit on here regarding this question.
yea its funny!
Escorting is a job.
You provide a service, you are paid.
So whats the big deal?
Not like any of the guys bitching and moaning even date ts in real life, much less wife us up.

<insert rockabilly quote>

[TsVanessa69]

a lot of TS girls say they didn't know who they really were in life until the first time they met a TS ...... so if their first encounter with a TS is on the streets while they themselves are male prostituting i wonder if they really believed that they too were a TS girl or they just liked the thought of all the looks and attention the TS prostitutes were drawing on the streets .
Being ts is a mental and emotional state that a true ts is always aware of in her life.
I knew I was supposed to be a girl and was already living in the straight world for 5 years before I even saw a gay club or a drag queen, much less a tgirls,
And I wasn;t a male prostituting either.
I was in cosmetology school learning hair and make up, so when I went out in public, I had a more flattering look.
Escorting didnt come into play until I wanted to fully transition, or get work done to make myself look how I wanted too and afford my rent to my OWN apartment.
Yes I have a rental history, a good one with no evictions, and I pay my rent on time.
Since I was 19 at that.what's wrong with being a hairdresser and a make up artist ? it's a very gay friendly proffession . so what if transition is a little slower money wise .what i was saying is some girls feel that other girls are more interested in the glam of being a TS , the increase in money to be made in TS prostitution as compared to male prostitution , and that these girls are not truly transgendered .
To be honest, when I was a small child and I watched t.V. I wanted to be a show girl.
In Puerto Rico and other latin American countries, a vedette.
Iris Chacon was somebody I imitated in my room at bed time.
I wanted costumes, and curves and mens whistles when the spot light hit me.
I went to hair school to learn how to work with wigs, and contouring make-up and such. Ways to transform myself into stage persona's.
My real passion in life is being on stage,
Escorting was not in the picture but I take the good with the bad.
I use my escorting money to keep my elaborate, expensive custom made stage costumes new and fresh!
My stage persona is not a dancer but a glam Goddess.
A mixture of Iris Chacon, Ivy Queen, Cher, Joan Crawford, "Dont'T Fuck with me Fella's" mixed with a touch of Lady Gaga. A sex kitten
I put that on hold for a while, and now I'm making a comeback.
So thats what will ocupy my time now, that and co-hosting Chicago's only tranny party.

[alyssats]

i think theres more TS whos not into escorting than the ones into escorting

from my point of view most of my friends are not escorts like 90% of my friends are into office job and a few works in a salon and clothing designs

i think you should research more jeje

[Bobzz]

There may be another somewhat overlooked reason why some t-gals escort. It's a form of validation as to their outward appearance and inner identity. By escorting and attracting a "straight" male clientele, the "femaleness" of that escort is confirmed. Stated another way, the fact that a men are paying to have sex with them reinforces their own self-image not only as to gender identity but also their desirability to the opposite sex. The more they escort and earn money to pay for cosmetic surgeries, the more feminine they become in appearance (usually) until they either reach a balance of sorts. For many t-gals it's an easy (that's probably the wrong word) means to an end. I don't think any t-gals get into escorting because they like the work and get to meet interesting people.

[TsVanessa69]

There may be another somewhat overlooked reason why some t-gals escort. It's a form of validation as to their outward appearance and inner identity. By escorting and attracting a "straight" male clientele, the "femaleness" of that escort is confirmed. Stated another way, the fact that a men are paying to have sex with them reinforces their own self-image not only as to gender identity but also their desirability to the opposite sex. The more they escort and earn money to pay for cosmetic surgeries, the more feminine they become in appearance (usually) until they either reach a balance of sorts. For many t-gals it's an easy (that's probably the wrong word) means to an end. I don't think any t-gals get into escorting because they like the work and get to meet interesting people.
And you are so RIGHT!
And thats why bitchasses like Jhaniah Love are jokes to me!
Thank you, very well said!
I never looked at it that way, but I read this and it made total sense.
Its a very good and on point observation!

[Bobzz]

There may be another somewhat overlooked reason why some t-gals escort. It's a form of validation as to their outward appearance and inner identity. By escorting and attracting a "straight" male clientele, the "femaleness" of that escort is confirmed. Stated another way, the fact that a men are paying to have sex with them reinforces their own self-image not only as to gender identity but also their desirability to the opposite sex. The more they escort and earn money to pay for cosmetic surgeries, the more feminine they become in appearance (usually) until they either reach a balance of sorts. For many t-gals it's an easy (that's probably the wrong word) means to an end. I don't think any t-gals get into escorting because they like the work and get to meet interesting people.
And you are so RIGHT!
And thats why bitchasses like Jhaniah Love are jokes to me!
Thank you, very well said!
I never looked at it that way, but I read this and it made total sense.
Its a very good and on point observation!

I'm totally shocked that we agree on something Vanessa! I must have said something the wrong way. Wait, let me change my mind ... what I meant to say was .... :wink:

[blacktgirls]

There may be another somewhat overlooked reason why some t-gals escort. It's a form of validation as to their outward appearance and inner identity. By escorting and attracting a "straight" male clientele, the "femaleness" of that escort is confirmed. Stated another way, the fact that a men are paying to have sex with them reinforces their own self-image not only as to gender identity but also their desirability to the opposite sex. are you saying that some girls on HA brag about the swag and pretend that they have a fabulous life and that all the trade they bring in shows they are desirous :lol:

[TsVanessa69]

There may be another somewhat overlooked reason why some t-gals escort. It's a form of validation as to their outward appearance and inner identity. By escorting and attracting a "straight" male clientele, the "femaleness" of that escort is confirmed. Stated another way, the fact that a men are paying to have sex with them reinforces their own self-image not only as to gender identity but also their desirability to the opposite sex. are you saying that some girls on HA brag about the swag and pretend that they have a fabulous life and that all the trade they bring in shows they are desirous :lol:
No actually SOME of us do live fab lives and have trade begging and leaving girlfriends at home to come suck this dick, smoke me up, wine me and dine me.
Sometimes they miss me, fly me to NYC, or travel from other city's to come kick it with me.
All races love this asspussy!
Nothing delirious here!

[Bobzz]

There may be another somewhat overlooked reason why some t-gals escort. It's a form of validation as to their outward appearance and inner identity. By escorting and attracting a "straight" male clientele, the "femaleness" of that escort is confirmed. Stated another way, the fact that a men are paying to have sex with them reinforces their own self-image not only as to gender identity but also their desirability to the opposite sex. are you saying that some girls on HA brag about the swag and pretend that they have a fabulous life and that all the trade they bring in shows they are desirous :lol:

No, not at all. It's a perception issue. Reduced to it's least common denominator it's like this.

1) I perceive I am female;
2) I adopt outward feminine appearances;
3) I believe I appear to be female;
4) Men are attracted to me;
5) Men will pay me to have sex with them because of my feminine appearance;
6) My feminine appearance is validated;
7) I appear to be female, therefore my perception is correct;
8) see step 1.

Over simplified for sure.

[TsVanessa69]

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There may be another somewhat overlooked reason why some t-gals escort. It's a form of validation as to their outward appearance and inner identity. By escorting and attracting a "straight" male clientele, the "femaleness" of that escort is confirmed. Stated another way, the fact that a men are paying to have sex with them reinforces their own self-image not only as to gender identity but also their desirability to the opposite sex. are you saying that some girls on HA brag about the swag and pretend that they have a fabulous life and that all the trade they bring in shows they are desirous :lol:

No, not at all. It's a perception issue. Reduced to it's least common denominator it's like this.

1) I perceive I am female;
2) I adopt outward feminine appearances;
3) I believe I appear to be female;
4) Men are attracted to me;
5) Men will pay me to have sex with them because of my feminine appearance;
6) My feminine appearance is validated;
7) I appear to be female, therefore my perception is correct;
8) see step 1.

Over simplified for sure.
Duhh transexuals would perceive that we are female, thats why we are transexuals, duhh!
we work on oour appearance to make the outside match the inside
Men will pay us to have sex, so why the fuck not get paid, duhh
After all that, what was the point?
That we are smart enough to know the charms of a woman make a man weak????
YOU want a cookie?

[blckhaze]

Why?
because 80% of the men they meet only want one thing and it happens to reside in their pants. Most men only see ts as sex hookups and fetishes, and frankly i do not hold a grudge ov any ts smart enough to capitalize on it, so long as she has her plan in order.

You want a non escort? I'll hand u the "Captian Saveahoe" costume i took from Gxsrs house, and you help them out. Till then, stop complaining.

[phobun]

There may be another somewhat overlooked reason why some t-gals escort. It's a form of validation as to their outward appearance and inner identity. By escorting and attracting a "straight" male clientele, the "femaleness" of that escort is confirmed. Stated another way, the fact that a men are paying to have sex with them reinforces their own self-image not only as to gender identity but also their desirability to the opposite sex. The more they escort and earn money to pay for cosmetic surgeries, the more feminine they become in appearance (usually) until they either reach a balance of sorts. For many t-gals it's an easy (that's probably the wrong word) means to an end. I don't think any t-gals get into escorting because they like the work and get to meet interesting people.
I don't think this explanation holds much water in the end. If a girl is actually desirable, she will have guys wanting to sleep with her no matter what, and won't need to escort for validation.

Furthermore, the minute she begins to charge, she assures herself of a whole group of men she probably would not choose to validate her: fatties and losers who can't get laid otherwise, married guys who suck dick in secret, middle-aged guys who can't get their fantasies fulfilled without paying money, AND PROBABLY THE BIGGEST VALIDATION OF HER AS A WOMAN OF ALL... requests to fuck passive men in the ass until they squeal like girls.

Surely at some point the more intelligent girls must realize those fuckers are not much validation?

[BrendaQG]

If a girl is actually desirable, she will have guys wanting to sleep with her no matter what, and won't need to escort for validation.

You forget men will fuck almost anything. But they don't pay to fuck almost anything.

Yes there is an element of validation to it. Consider one way I have been personally attacked was by having someone try to say that I never escorted. :-/ Under most circumstances it would be an accusation to say someone was an escort. That is enough to say to me that even people who could never escort in 50 trillion years think of it as a validation. Which it is. Men don't pay to fuck just anything. Men with wives and girlfriends pay to fuck someone they find more desirable than their GG's.

All of that said, the ultimate motivation for this is money. It cost a great deal of money to live as a transsexual. To date I have spent $15000 on procedures.

[phobun]

If a girl is actually desirable, she will have guys wanting to sleep with her no matter what, and won't need to escort for validation.

You forget men will fuck almost anything. But they don't pay to fuck almost anything.
Men who are losers, fatties, desperate bottoms, married cocksuckers or old will pay to fuck an unattractive slag if it means getting laid or not.

[BrendaQG]

If a girl is actually desirable, she will have guys wanting to sleep with her no matter what, and won't need to escort for validation.

You forget men will fuck almost anything. But they don't pay to fuck almost anything.
Men who are losers, fatties, desperate bottoms, married cocksuckers or old will pay to fuck an unattractive slag if it means getting laid or not.

No when it comes to laying out a weeks pay even the men you describe have standards. Men who pay the average price you see on Eros want the kind of look you see on Eros + a good experience. Achieving that look, and maintaining it, providing a good experience, it's work.

[phobun]

If a girl is actually desirable, she will have guys wanting to sleep with her no matter what, and won't need to escort for validation.

You forget men will fuck almost anything. But they don't pay to fuck almost anything.
Men who are losers, fatties, desperate bottoms, married cocksuckers or old will pay to fuck an unattractive slag if it means getting laid or not.

No when it comes to laying out a weeks pay even the men you describe have standards. Men who pay the average price you see on Eros want the kind of look you see on Eros + a good experience. Achieving that look, and maintaining it, providing a good experience, it's work.
This is too funny. Every prostitute probably thinks she is the Bentley of whores. No absurdity is too much to prevent rationalization as a defense mechanism.

[BrendaQG]

If a girl is actually desirable, she will have guys wanting to sleep with her no matter what, and won't need to escort for validation.

You forget men will fuck almost anything. But they don't pay to fuck almost anything.
Men who are losers, fatties, desperate bottoms, married cocksuckers or old will pay to fuck an unattractive slag if it means getting laid or not.

No when it comes to laying out a weeks pay even the men you describe have standards. Men who pay the average price you see on Eros want the kind of look you see on Eros + a good experience. Achieving that look, and maintaining it, providing a good experience, it's work.
This is too funny. Every prostitute probably thinks she is the Bentley of whores. No absurdity is too much to prevent rationalization as a defense mechanism.

Me, Bently? No. Perhaps a Honda Civic or Toyota Prius.

[blacktgirls]

If a girl is actually desirable, she will have guys wanting to sleep with her no matter what, and won't need to escort for validation.

You forget men will fuck almost anything. But they don't pay to fuck almost anything.

Yes there is an element of validation to it. Consider one way I have been personally attacked was by having someone try to say that I never escorted. :-/ Under most circumstances it would be an accusation to say someone was an escort. That is enough to say to me that even people who could never escort in 50 trillion years think of it as a validation. Which it is. Men don't pay to fuck just anything. Men with wives and girlfriends pay to fuck someone they find more desirable than their GG's.

All of that said, the ultimate motivation for this is money. It cost a great deal of money to live as a transsexual. To date I have spent $15000 on procedures.this would be true except for the fact that the less passable TS get just as many clients as passable TS which is proven by that fact that every prostitute is able to pay for her transition no matter how she looks ....... though in person no TS is passable because TS cockhounds live up to their names there and you also get clocked by all the drunk girls in the bars , the lady that clips your dogs nails , i guess pretty much everyone otherwise you would work a nine to five .......the reason you girls get clients is that guys want to be with a TS and you advertise on prostitution sites . if you feel this means that men desire you then why does every TS from DRAGS to GUCCI find trade ...... think of it more like being a euphoric rush for a sex addict thats easy to find ..... it doesn't mean he finds you more attractive than his GG otherwise he would court you , not rent by the hour . Brenda , i just want to say that my reply to your post here was not in any way meant to be a personal knock against you ....... it's just that you posted some thoughts that i could use to counter with my opinion on escorts seeing a large clientele as validation that they are desirous to men ......like i stated , all TS , can pay for transition by selling their bodies and their clients are just sex addicts using them as kink in order to get a higher rush .....the same guy who pays a $1,000 for a high class TS escort , has also bought 5 $200 TS escorts on Craigslist .... TS escorting is not glamorous it is just all around sad . if you notice there are girls , who are still in drags , who post their pics on HA and are bombarded with praise from guys here and told that they are worthy of being fucked .

[phobun]

If a girl is actually desirable, she will have guys wanting to sleep with her no matter what, and won't need to escort for validation.

You forget men will fuck almost anything. But they don't pay to fuck almost anything.
Men who are losers, fatties, desperate bottoms, married cocksuckers or old will pay to fuck an unattractive slag if it means getting laid or not.

No when it comes to laying out a weeks pay even the men you describe have standards. Men who pay the average price you see on Eros want the kind of look you see on Eros + a good experience. Achieving that look, and maintaining it, providing a good experience, it's work.
This is too funny. Every prostitute probably thinks she is the Bentley of whores. No absurdity is too much to prevent rationalization as a defense mechanism.

Me, Bently? No. Perhaps a Honda Civic or Toyota Prius.
Well, however you see yourself, your response is nonetheless a sort of a concession about the work you do and its implications.
So, how do you rationalize sex work while maintaining that you're also a Muslim?
Someone posted a clip a while back in which you appeared on TV dressed in a beekeeper's suit.
Why appear in public while wearing such a garment sometimes, but not other times (it is not as if real Muslim women have this option when appearing in public)?
Was it more about making a statement for the TV rather than something in which you actually believe?
If you do believe in modesty for women and covering yourself, then why not cover your head when escorting?
And what is the penalty in the Koran for being a prostitute?
Are you willing to concede that there are there some superstitions and prohibitions in the Koran that are outdated or wrong, and that is why you pose provocatively as a sex worker?

[Stoked]

Every prostitute probably thinks she is the Bentley of whores.

Interesting terminology for someone who spends so much time seeking "whores'" attention.

[tsmandy]

I escort because porn is a fucking joke. I found a tube site today with a scene I shot in August, 35,000 people have watched it. It's been viewed 1800 times on my site.

I might as well make money off of all of you thieving motherfuckers somehow. Why bother making porn as a TS if you are not going to make money off of it?

As for why not get a job outside of the sex industry, I dunno just sounds depressing as fuck. I like being a sex worker and I have a really fantastic community of sex workers (most of whom are not TS).

support your local sex worker and shut the fuck up with all the shit talking.

[BrendaQG]

If a girl is actually desirable, she will have guys wanting to sleep with her no matter what, and won't need to escort for validation.

You forget men will fuck almost anything. But they don't pay to fuck almost anything.
Men who are losers, fatties, desperate bottoms, married cocksuckers or old will pay to fuck an unattractive slag if it means getting laid or not.

No when it comes to laying out a weeks pay even the men you describe have standards. Men who pay the average price you see on Eros want the kind of look you see on Eros + a good experience. Achieving that look, and maintaining it, providing a good experience, it's work.
This is too funny. Every prostitute probably thinks she is the Bentley of whores. No absurdity is too much to prevent rationalization as a defense mechanism.

Me, Bently? No. Perhaps a Honda Civic or Toyota Prius.
Well, however you see yourself, your response is nonetheless a sort of a concession about the work you do and its implications.
So, how do you rationalize sex work while maintaining that you're also a Muslim?
Someone posted a clip a while back in which you appeared on TV dressed in a beekeeper's suit.
Why appear in public while wearing such a garment sometimes, but not other times (it is not as if real Muslim women have this option when appearing in public)?
Was it more about making a statement for the TV rather than something in which you actually believe?
If you do believe in modesty for women and covering yourself, then why not cover your head when escorting?
And what is the penalty in the Koran for being a prostitute?
Are you willing to concede that there are there some superstitions and prohibitions in the Koran that are outdated or wrong, and that is why you pose provocatively as a sex worker?

Because Muslims aren't perfect and 100% observant at all times. Anyone who says they are is a liar. There are sins of thought, as well as action and inaction. Just as there are observant pious Muslims and observant pious Christians. There are those of us who believe in god, and the doctrine of religions but living up to that doctrine is either too difficult, or impossible because of life circumstances. No where in the Bible or Quran does it say that I should starve to death. Jesus does say as you treat the least of my brothers so you treat me. How many Christians remember that when they encounter a transsexual and give her a job? How many forget and spit on her.

As for any notion that being transgender and being Muslim and having to be a prostitute to make ends meet is somehow a contradiction I am not alone. Most Muslim countries acknowledge that they have a population of transgendered folks.

[fred41]

For a site that advertises TS porn and that sports a lot of members who are TS escorts and their fans...there seems to be a lot of posters with some barely suppressed rage against the escorting business. Just an observation.

[Nicole Dupre]

I escort because porn is a fucking joke. I found a tube site today with a scene I shot in August, 35,000 people have watched it. It's been viewed 1800 times on my site.

I might as well make money off of all of you thieving motherfuckers somehow. Why bother making porn as a TS if you are not going to make money off of it?

As for why not get a job outside of the sex industry, I dunno just sounds depressing as fuck. I like being a sex worker and I have a really fantastic community of sex workers (most of whom are not TS).

support your local sex worker and shut the fuck up with all the shit talking.

:rock2

[Nicole Dupre]

For a site that advertises TS porn and that sports a lot of members who are TS escorts and their fans...there seems to be a lot of posters with some barely suppressed rage against the escorting business. Just an observation.

There aren't a lot.; just one angry homosexual who needs to whine like a bitch.

[phobun]

If a girl is actually desirable, she will have guys wanting to sleep with her no matter what, and won't need to escort for validation.

You forget men will fuck almost anything. But they don't pay to fuck almost anything.
Men who are losers, fatties, desperate bottoms, married cocksuckers or old will pay to fuck an unattractive slag if it means getting laid or not.

No when it comes to laying out a weeks pay even the men you describe have standards. Men who pay the average price you see on Eros want the kind of look you see on Eros + a good experience. Achieving that look, and maintaining it, providing a good experience, it's work.
This is too funny. Every prostitute probably thinks she is the Bentley of whores. No absurdity is too much to prevent rationalization as a defense mechanism.

Me, Bently? No. Perhaps a Honda Civic or Toyota Prius.
Well, however you see yourself, your response is nonetheless a sort of a concession about the work you do and its implications.
So, how do you rationalize sex work while maintaining that you're also a Muslim?
Someone posted a clip a while back in which you appeared on TV dressed in a beekeeper's suit.
Why appear in public while wearing such a garment sometimes, but not other times (it is not as if real Muslim women have this option when appearing in public)?
Was it more about making a statement for the TV rather than something in which you actually believe?
If you do believe in modesty for women and covering yourself, then why not cover your head when escorting?
And what is the penalty in the Koran for being a prostitute?
Are you willing to concede that there are there some superstitions and prohibitions in the Koran that are outdated or wrong, and that is why you pose provocatively as a sex worker?

Because Muslims aren't perfect and 100% observant at all times. Anyone who says they are is a liar. There are sins of thought, as well as action and inaction. Just as there are observant pious Muslims and observant pious Christians. There are those of us who believe in god, and the doctrine of religions but living up to that doctrine is either too difficult, or impossible because of life circumstances. No where in the Bible or Quran does it say that I should starve to death. Jesus does say as you treat the least of my brothers so you treat me. How many Christians remember that when they encounter a transsexual and give her a job? How many forget and spit on her.

As for any notion that being transgender and being Muslim and having to be a prostitute to make ends meet is somehow a contradiction I am not alone. Most Muslim countries acknowledge that they have a population of transgendered folks.Thanks for taking the time to reply, but you did not really answer any of the questions. You listed a number of equivalencies to suggest other religious people are hypocrites too, but few would deny that Christians can be hypocritical. And you concluded with a perspective on being transgender and Muslim, which is a different topic and not the same as being Muslim and a prostitute.

I think you sell yourself short when you imply that if you were not to do sex work you would starve.

[trish]

What is wrong with sex work? It seems that some people in this thread make the implicit but unsupported assumption that escorts are engaged in a personally degrading business; that they are selling themselves short or that any other way to make money would be better. In some cases, yes the business can be degrading; but than so can being an investment banker. But if you run your business with integrity, there is no sin but what lies in minds of those who would judge. Is HA the last stronghold of sexual puritanism?

[phobun]

What is wrong with sex work? It seems that some people in this thread make the implicit but unsupported assumption that escorts are engaged in a personally degrading business; that they are selling themselves short or that any other way to make money would be better. In some cases, yes the business can be degrading; but than so can being an investment banker. But if you run your business with integrity, there is no sin but what lies in minds of those who would judge. Is HA the last stronghold of sexual puritanism?I think it is totally absurd to draw an equivalence between being an investment banker and a sex worker.

Sure, there are the rare birds who have graduate degrees, who have never tasted even alcohol and who have never been mistreated as prostitutes, yet love what they do. But I stipulate that generally this is not the case. There are higher rates of sexual abuse, mental illness and drug abuse in the histories of sex workers. Sex workers are many times more likely to die prematurely, be raped or get assaulted.

Unlike investment banking, no one grows up dreaming of becoming a sex worker. It is usually a choice made when the options are somewhat bleak, and even then the living is not phenomenal. I bet that most sex workers are not proud of what they do. Even investment bankers are more likely to pay at least some taxes.

This BBC report emphasizes some of the risks prostitutes face. For many girls, it is a destructive and degrading living.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/154140.stm

[shemale-411]

Phobun,
You really don't know anything you are talking about. You start quoting all your bullshit reports and studies, but you have absolutely no real knowledge about the transexual community, and how it works.

As for being a working girl. I know in your little dreamworld they all get jobs at Burger King and slowly over the next 20 years save enough for their surgeries, which they will get if they havent been killed at the bus stop or fired by a manager or committed suicide after being humiliated by that one last customer at the counter.

In the real world, they have peers in their community that have made the change, facillitated by by being a working girl. Until you've actually lived with someone who is shelling out tens of thousands of dollars for breast surgery, facial reconstruction, laser treatments, trachia shave, ribs being broken and reset, etc dont sit in your little ivory tower and judge them.

You seem to like the results yet frown on the working girls for doing what they have to to get there before they are in their 40s and 50s. Yeah they make more money than you do, or probably alot of us, but it goes for their transitions, as well as rent, car, and whatever else life has thrown at them.

I might suggest the AOL transgendered chatrooms. You will find a much more sympathetic crowd there for your view point. Somewhat older, less passable perhaps, but you will definitely be a welcome presence there.

Here there are sex workers, its a fucking porn forum after all. They network some, maybe advertise, but the last thing they need is some douche telling them that all the danger and hardship they are enduring to get where they need to be before they are senior citizens is taking the easy way out.

[trish]

phobun writes
I think it is totally absurd to draw an equivalence between being an investment banker and a sex worker.

So do I. But where do I draw an EQUIVALENCE? The gist of my post is that neither job is degrading in and of itself. Either job is beyond reproach when conducted with integrity.


Sure, there are the rare birds...who have never been mistreated as prostitutes, yet love what they do. But I stipulate that generally this is not the case. There are higher rates of sexual abuse, ... in the histories of sex workers.I don’t argue that the rates of abuse in escorting are high. This is a fact, not something that you stipulate. Was that a Freudian slip? Do you want to stipulate that sex workers be victims of abuse? The fact that rates of abuse in escorting are high doesn’t justify the puritanical attitude against sex work.

BTW, I bet more adolescents wish they could be porn stars than wish they could be investment bankers :)

[phobun]

Phobun,
You really don't know anything you are talking about. You start quoting all your bullshit reports and studies, but you have absolutely no real knowledge about the transexual community, and how it works.

As for being a working girl. I know in your little dreamworld they all get jobs at Burger King and slowly over the next 20 years save enough for their surgeries, which they will get if they havent been killed at the bus stop or fired by a manager or committed suicide after being humiliated by that one last customer at the counter.

In the real world, they have peers in their community that have made the change, facillitated by by being a working girl. Until you've actually lived with someone who is shelling out tens of thousands of dollars for breast surgery, facial reconstruction, laser treatments, trachia shave, ribs being broken and reset, etc dont sit in your little ivory tower and judge them.

You seem to like the results yet frown on the working girls for doing what they have to to get there before they are in their 40s and 50s. Yeah they make more money than you do, or probably alot of us, but it goes for their transitions, as well as rent, car, and whatever else life has thrown at them.

I might suggest the AOL transgendered chatrooms. You will find a much more sympathetic crowd there for your view point. Somewhat older, less passable perhaps, but you will definitely be a welcome presence there.

Here there are sex workers, its a fucking porn forum after all. They network some, maybe advertise, but the last thing they need is some douche telling them that all the danger and hardship they are enduring to get where they need to be before they are senior citizens is taking the easy way out.
Take it easy man. Most working girls are probably not so thin skinned as to worry about a dissenting viewpoint on a porn forum. It's a discussion, not a one-sided exaltation of sex work.

Just because everyone in your circle may be as you describe, does not mean that your anecdotes are universally applicable to all young transsexuals. Even AlyssaTS and Yoite wrote on this thread that most girls are not sex workers.

[phobun]

phobun writes
I think it is totally absurd to draw an equivalence between being an investment banker and a sex worker.

So do I. But where do I draw an EQUIVALENCE? The gist of my post is that neither job is degrading in and of itself. Either job is beyond reproach when conducted with integrity. You wrote, "In some cases, yes the business can be degrading; but than so can being an investment banker." I would say that you're trying to draw an equivalence.

Sure, there are the rare birds...who have never been mistreated as prostitutes, yet love what they do. But I stipulate that generally this is not the case. There are higher rates of sexual abuse, ... in the histories of sex workers.I don’t argue that the rates of abuse in escorting are high. This is a fact, not something that you stipulate. Was that a Freudian slip? Do you want to stipulate that sex workers be victims of abuse? Easy there. Go back and read what I wrote. I did not stipulate that rates of abuse in escorting are high, I stipulated that the straw prostitute I constructed is not generally representative of most sex workers.

That rates of abuse in escorting are high may indeed be a fact (although I am sure some here might minimize your contention). I do not have the numbers to prove that they are high, but I am willing to accept the proposition without requiring that it be established by proof (i.e., stipulate it to be true).
The fact that rates of abuse in escorting are high doesn’t justify the puritanical attitude against sex work.It's not puritanical to say that it is dangerous or that there are other ways.
BTW, I bet more adolescents wish they could be porn stars than wish they could be investment bankers :)Then they grow up, hopefully.

[trish]

phobun writes
You wrote, "In some cases, yes the business can be degrading; but than so can being an investment banker." I would say that you're trying to draw an equivalence.
Well you would be wrong. Just because A and B share a common feature or two doesn’t make them equivalent. But if it does in your vocabulary, then okay they’re equivalent, because they’re both jobs and both are beyond reproach when carried out with integrity.


I stipulated that the straw prostitute I constructed is not generally representative of most sex workers.
Again not something you get to stipulate, unless you think you get to design the world. And if that were the case, why would you stipulate that the non-abused, non-addicted, degree holding prostitute be the rare case?


It's not puritanical to say that it is dangerous or that there are other ways.
No it isn’t. It’s not puritanical to tell the escorts here that their business is hazardous. But it is puritanical to tell them they can do better and they’re selling themselves short.

[Nicole Dupre]

Take it easy man. Most working girls are probably not so thin skinned as to worry about a dissenting viewpoint on a porn forum. It's a discussion, not a one-sided exaltation of sex work.

Just because everyone in your circle may be as you describe, does not mean that your anecdotes are universally applicable to all young transsexuals. Even AlyssaTS and Yoite wrote on this thread that most girls are not sex workers.

No one's worried. ;) The world is filled with latent homos like you. You're obviously in your own personal hell. That much is obvious.

But what you're saying most certainly is offensive, considering where you're saying it.

I mean, why not stand on just about any Martin Luther Kind Blvd in the country, in a KKK outfit, and start spewing racist rhetoric?

Oh, sure. Technically you should be able to do that, and not have anyone slit your throat. But, really, what are the odds of you making it home in one piece? And how many of the locals would say that you didn't have getting a good ol' ghetto beatdown coming to you?

[SarahG]

Is HA the last stronghold of sexual puritanism?

Clearly.

[archineer]

I think it is totally absurd to draw an equivalence between being an investment banker and a sex worker.


I agree- investment bankers have fewer morals :twisted:

[tsmandy]

I think it is totally absurd to draw an equivalence between being an investment banker and a sex worker.


I agree- investment bankers have fewer morals :twisted:

It's true, few prostitutes can be blamed for overthrowing democratically elected governments and plunging millions into poverty and misery.

Hooker love,

[elo]

I think it is totally absurd to draw an equivalence between being an investment banker and a sex worker.


I agree- investment bankers have fewer morals :twisted:

It's true, few prostitutes can be blamed for overthrowing democratically elected governments and plunging millions into poverty and misery.

Hooker love,lol
Love to the hookers!

[SXFX]

I think it is totally absurd to draw an equivalence between being an investment banker and a sex worker.


I agree- investment bankers have fewer morals :twisted:

It's true, few prostitutes can be blamed for overthrowing democratically elected governments and plunging millions into poverty and misery.

Hooker love,
Smart sexy and funny. Your boy friend is one very lucky guy.

Ok here is the gig I have a BS and 8 years of experience as a manager, going for my MBA very soon.

i don't make $300 an hour, which is the going hourly rate if I'm not mistaken?

[IMISSHER]

[quote="trish"]What is wrong with sex work? It seems that some people in this thread make the implicit but unsupported assumption that escorts are engaged in a personally degrading business; that they are selling themselves short or that any other way to make money would be better. In some cases, yes the business can be degrading; but than so can being an investment banker. But if you run your business with integrity, there is no sin but what lies in minds of those who would judge. Is HA the last stronghold of sexual puritanism?[

ummmm?, let me think should i invest this money in that defense company or let this 60 year old fat fuck who smells fuck me in the ass for money? thats the question.

this board never ceases to amaze me for the rationalizations for being a whore.

it degrades people, period. who wakes up in the morning and says. its a great day to be a whore.

come on girls and guys. we are better then this. you are beautiful human beings worthy of love and respect. demand it!

[JamesHunt]

this board never ceases to amaze me for the rationalizations for being a whore.

it degrades people, period. who wakes up in the morning and says. its a great day to be a whore.

come on girls and guys. we are better then this. you are beautiful human beings worthy of love and respect. demand it!

People like you really piss me off, imposing their moral values on everyone else :violin

[Nicole Dupre]

who wakes up in the morning and says. its a great day to be a whore.


:oops: :P

[Nicole Dupre]

It's a great day to fuck.

It's a great day to go shopping.

[TxBBFan]

who wakes up in the morning and says. its a great day to be a whore.


:oops: :P

I don't think it's as simple as just waking up one day and becoming an escort. I think the lifestyle and what a TS woman has to go through to become the woman she wants to be. I say it's an ends to mean, but when it ends, hopefully sooner than later before it takes a toll...

[JamesHunt]

who wakes up in the morning and says. its a great day to be a whore.


:oops: :P

I don't think it's as simple as just waking up one day and becoming an escort. I think the lifestyle and what a TS woman has to go through to become the woman she wants to be. I say it's an ends to mean, but when it ends, hopefully sooner than later before it takes a toll...

I'm sure Nicole is touched by your comments :violin

[Nicole Dupre]

who wakes up in the morning and says. its a great day to be a whore.


:oops: :P

I don't think it's as simple as just waking up one day and becoming an escort. I think the lifestyle and what a TS woman has to go through to become the woman she wants to be. I say it's an ends to mean, but when it ends, hopefully sooner than later before it takes a toll...

An "ends to mean"? I think you meant a "means to an end", right?

[Nicole Dupre]

who wakes up in the morning and says. its a great day to be a whore.


:oops: :P

I don't think it's as simple as just waking up one day and becoming an escort. I think the lifestyle and what a TS woman has to go through to become the woman she wants to be. I say it's an ends to mean, but when it ends, hopefully sooner than later before it takes a toll...

I'm sure Nicole is touched by your comments :violin

I love that you've taken up the violin. :)

[IMISSHER]

this board never ceases to amaze me for the rationalizations for being a whore.

it degrades people, period. who wakes up in the morning and says. its a great day to be a whore.

come on girls and guys. we are better then this. you are beautiful human beings worthy of love and respect. demand it!

People like you really piss me off, imposing their moral values on everyone else :violin

how the fuck am i imposing? is it wrong to want people to aspire to great things. is it wrong to want a woman to live a life where she is treated like a human being, an equal and not some piece of meat.

imposing? its our duty as intelligent life to denounce the degradation of human beings. what part of this does not make sense?

[TxBBFan]

who wakes up in the morning and says. its a great day to be a whore.


:oops: :P

I don't think it's as simple as just waking up one day and becoming an escort. I think the lifestyle and what a TS woman has to go through to become the woman she wants to be. I say it's an ends to mean, but when it ends, hopefully sooner than later before it takes a toll...

An "ends to mean"? I think you meant a "means to an end", right?

So SORRY yes, I fat fingered it...lol

[Nicole Dupre]

who wakes up in the morning and says. its a great day to be a whore.


:oops: :P

I don't think it's as simple as just waking up one day and becoming an escort. I think the lifestyle and what a TS woman has to go through to become the woman she wants to be. I say it's an ends to mean, but when it ends, hopefully sooner than later before it takes a toll...

An "ends to mean"? I think you meant a "means to an end", right?

So SORRY yes, I fat fingered it...lol

Gotcha. I wasn't sure if you meant it was 'the journey and not the destination'. For me, it's both. I have a day job, which I like just fine, but I also love my "night gig" too.

But everything has a price. However, being pragmatic is what allows you to do a job, and not let the job "do you".

[trish]

imposing? its our duty as intelligent life to denounce the degradation of human beings. what part of this does not make sense?The part where you get to decide what's degrading or not and then urge everyone to adopt your puritanical judgments.

[IMISSHER]

imposing? its our duty as intelligent life to denounce the degradation of human beings. what part of this does not make sense?The part where you get to decide what's degrading or not and then urge everyone to adopt your puritanical judgments.

puritanical judgments that the degrading of human beings is wrong? that a woman is so much more then an orifice? may i always be judgmental then, it allows me to sleep at night.

[BlackAdder]

Random question I know but, I am guessing it more because it's hard getting a normal 9to5 still with how people still seem to view the TS community? It just popped into my head last night and now I'm curious. Anyone have any insight on this?
For any person, moving up generally requires people to improve their skills, work hard and stay out of trouble.

For people who go into prostitution, they are attempting to take the easy route by engaging in a trade that necessitates no special skills. They do this for immediate cash and usually don't pay taxes.

It can be a problem later in life when appearances fade or they get sick and need another source of income, but have an empty C.V. or no record of paying income taxes.

The decision to begin opening any orifice to strangers bringing cash is short-sighted to say the least.

There are lots of transsexuals who improve their education or skills and work in respectable fields. It is a cop-out to whine that it can't be done.



I would have to agree...I actually happen to know a few that have never escorted and hold legitimate jobs... Is it harder? Yes, but they sleep better. I have nothing against escorting per se, but people stay into it way way WAY too long- they are hooked, and its the rare girl who actually does anything to improve her situation. And plus, i dont give a shit what people say, but it ruins you for a "normal" relationship.

My experiences are from Vegas and Philly...it may not be the same anywhere else.

[tsmandy]

I have an incredibly loving and supportive partner and I've been in the industry since day one.

I'm smart enough that I can do anything that I want, and I am. I don't see losers and I'm not an orifice. Whats degrading is antiquated sexist notions of sex work that are allowed to be spoken time and time again.

[runamok]

Don't know and don't care. Just glad they do and they keep influencing fresh girls into the pipeline every year!

Go-Go Tranny cock N balls!

[trish]

IMISSHER
...puritanical judgments that the degrading of human beings is wrong?Don’t be an idiot! It’s not puritanical to assert that degrading human beings is wrong. It’s puritanical to urge your definition of degradation on people who are clearly in harmony with their business and their clients.

Look, if you want to say, “I would find it degrading to be an escort,” that would be fine. If you don't want to hire an escort because you don't want to degrade her, fine. If you want to say, “I can’t date a girl who escorts because in my eyes she’s degrading herself,” even that’s fine, if somewhat sad. Those would be your own judgments (as myopic as they are) imposed on your own actions. But you are not the arbiter of what others find degrading, polluting or sinful; just as you are not the arbiter of what others find exhilarating, liberating and engaging.

[Nicole Dupre]

The most degrading part of being an escort is hearing a million times, from virgins who couldn't get laid without money, that its degrading.

The second most degrading part is when sanctimonious assholes like Peggy G start pontificating because they have no hopes of ever doing it themselves.

Other than that, it's fine with me. It beats working in a convenience store, and getting a bullet in your head over a lousy 100 bucks in the register.

[Silcc69]

I do wonder if it ever were to get legalized would that drive prices up or down?

[peggygee]

The second most degrading part is when sanctimonious assholes like Peggy G start pontificating because they have no hopes of ever doing it themselves.



The correct statement would be that I have neither the desire,
nor need, to escort.

:wink:

[BLKGSXR]

I do wonder if it ever were to get legalized would that drive prices up or down?they would stay the same....Like australia....but hopefully with the same rules as australia they need a monthly check up to see if they are INF35T3D

[SarahG]

I do wonder if it ever were to get legalized would that drive prices up or down?

Even if decriminalization included licensing I doubt it would impact prices much.

Philly went to requiring entertainers to get licensed thinking it would discourage people from doing it. Basically you pay a licensing fee and explain all kinds of irrelevant personal details that most people would want to keep to themselves, and after going through a process designed to be as abrasive as possible, you get your license.

Then you can work as a dancer in bars & clubs within city limits, but despite the extra costs & the city-sanctioned harassment, prices & earnings both depend far more on the quality of the establishment than whether or not its within city limits.

If the licensing costs were cost prohibitive OTOH, I would expect people to just break the law by not getting licensed (as we see with say, side arms ownership in some states).

[Nicole Dupre]

The correct statement would be that I have neither the desire,
nor need, to escort.

:wink:

Uhhh, yeah. Right. Whatever you say, Peggy.

Personally, I say you couldn't because you'd never get calls, but we're all welcome to our opinions I suppose.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

The title of this thread should be-

"Why do so many men just want to fuck trannys and have nothing else to do with them?"

[Dinand]

"Why do so many men just want to fuck trannys and have nothing else to do with them?"
I don't think this goes for trannies only, also GG's because most men only want sex, not a relationship.

[IMISSHER]

The title of this thread should be-

"Why do so many men just want to fuck trannys and have nothing else to do with them?"

come on allanah. you are a very intelligent woman. do you think that surrounding yourself with assholes eventually jades you to the point where you feel theres no alternative? what irritates me about this whole discussion is that t/g are so limited in the choices that they have. until there is a general train of thought from t/g that they will demand equal rights nothing will change. i am so tired of the victimization tirade that goes on. we have all had shit thrown at us, no doubt some more then others. but the escort justification is plain wrong. i work with recovering folks from all aspects of life. t/g coming out of the business included. i have never heard once that being an escort was a good choice. ive seen disease, severe drug addiction, loss of self worth, years of therapy ahead. great money. yep. is it worth it? .

also allanah would love to hear your true feelings on this subject. what would you say to a t/g who came to you and ask you for advice on escorting or film work. thanks.

[tsmandy]

The title of this thread should be-

"Why do so many men just want to fuck trannys and have nothing else to do with them?"

come on allanah. you are a very intelligent woman. do you think that surrounding yourself with assholes eventually jades you to the point where you feel theres no alternative? what irritates me about this whole discussion is that t/g are so limited in the choices that they have. until there is a general train of thought from t/g that they will demand equal rights nothing will change. i am so tired of the victimization tirade that goes on. we have all had shit thrown at us, no doubt some more then others. but the escort justification is plain wrong. i work with recovering folks from all aspects of life. t/g coming out of the business included. i have never heard once that being an escort was a good choice. ive seen disease, severe drug addiction, loss of self worth, years of therapy ahead. great money. yep. is it worth it? .

also allanah would love to hear your true feelings on this subject. what would you say to a t/g who came to you and ask you for advice on escorting or film work. thanks.

So go and spend time with your wife and kids douchebag.

[trish]

IMISSHER says
i work with recovering folks from all aspects of life. t/g coming out of the business included. i have never heard once that being an escort was a good choice. ive seen disease, severe drug addiction, loss of self worth, years of therapy ahead. great money. yep. is it worth it? .
Look at your sample: escorts who are “recovering” from disease, addiction and lack of self worth. A fair sample would be a random selection of all escorts, not the intersection of all escorts with the collection of people seeking your help. You indeed HAVE heard several escorts here on this forum who said they’re happy with their choice and that it has been good for them.

[IMISSHER]

[quote=AllanahStarrNYC]The title of this thread should be-

"Why do so many men just want to fuck trannys and have nothing else to do with them?"

come on allanah. you are a very intelligent woman. do you think that surrounding yourself with assholes eventually jades you to the point where you feel theres no alternative? what irritates me about this whole discussion is that t/g are so limited in the choices that they have. until there is a general train of thought from t/g that they will demand equal rights nothing will change. i am so tired of the victimization tirade that goes on. we have all had shit thrown at us, no doubt some more then others. but the escort justification is plain wrong. i work with recovering folks from all aspects of life. t/g coming out of the business included. i have never heard once that being an escort was a good choice. ive seen disease, severe drug addiction, loss of self worth, years of therapy ahead. great money. yep. is it worth it? .

also allanah would love to hear your true feelings on this subject. what would you say to a t/g who came to you and ask you for advice on escorting or film work. thanks.

So go and spend time with your wife and kids douchebag.[/quote

well said. god help your significant other.

[tsmandy]

IMISSHER says
i work with recovering folks from all aspects of life. t/g coming out of the business included. i have never heard once that being an escort was a good choice. ive seen disease, severe drug addiction, loss of self worth, years of therapy ahead. great money. yep. is it worth it? .
Look at your sample: escorts who are “recovering” from disease, addiction and lack of self worth. A fair sample would be a random selection of all escorts, not the intersection of all escorts with the collection of people seeking your help. You indeed HAVE heard several escorts here on this forum who said they’re happy with their choice and that it has been good for them.

Ah but we are in denial, tricked by our intelligent brains into thinking we are making decisions for ourselves. Really we are just victims of our own low self esteem.

Of course it would be much more enjoyable if I worked on a toll booth breathing exhaust fumes all day long and counting change, or perhaps sitting in a office doing tax prep, even better I could be a security guard and harass skateboarders. (No offense to anyone who does these things, they just sound like my idea of hell).

[Nicole Dupre]

I don't get it. How would the people who aren't doing it know so much more about it than the people who are? Who has the most accurate viewpoint here? A guy who talks to junkies all day, and an undesirable old post-op, or the current working girls?

[IMISSHER]

IMISSHER says
i work with recovering folks from all aspects of life. t/g coming out of the business included. i have never heard once that being an escort was a good choice. ive seen disease, severe drug addiction, loss of self worth, years of therapy ahead. great money. yep. is it worth it? .
Look at your sample: escorts who are “recovering” from disease, addiction and lack of self worth. A fair sample would be a random selection of all escorts, not the intersection of all escorts with the collection of people seeking your help. You indeed HAVE heard several escorts here on this forum who said they’re happy with their choice and that it has been good for them.

trish you are obviously a very intelligent well educated girl. is sex work an alternative for some in dire straits? no doubt. but in all of my years of work i have encountered escorts not just seeking help. ive done studies. less then 1% chose to stay when they had a viable alternative. what is most frightening is that the hardest part was that they felt it had become an addiction. they felt that they could never walk away. im not judging you just am concerned as a professional caregiver. sorry if i insulted you in any way.

[tsmandy]

[quote="tsmandy"][quote=IMISSHER]

well said. god help your significant other.

There is no God and my significant other is the most amazing woman in the world, she wouldn't give your pathetic ass the time of day. My baby loves me in a way that you will never experience, few people do, so go miss whoever you miss and stop your incoherent babbling you twit.

[tsmandy]

I don't get it. How would the people who aren't doing it know so much more about it than the people who are? Who has the most accurate viewpoint here? A guy who talks to junkies all day, and an undesirable old post-op, or the current working girls?

Obviously the man with enough emotional baggage to name himself "I miss her".

[trish]

Where have you published your studies IMISSHER? Can you link to one of your own? Can you give me the Journals and issue numbers where they have appeared. Or are these just ... you know, "studies."

[Nicole Dupre]

trish you are obviously a very intelligent well educated girl. is sex work an alternative for some in dire straits? no doubt. but in all of my years of work i have encountered escorts not just seeking help. ive done studies. less then 1% chose to stay when they had a viable alternative. what is most frightening is that the hardest part was that they felt it had become an addiction. they felt that they could never walk away. im not judging you just am concerned as a professional caregiver. sorry if i insulted you in any way.

Puh-lease. You've given that same speech so many times, you're addicted to giving it. Save it for work tomorrow. I'm sure it's perfect for the unfortunate bottom feeders who slipped through the cracks.

[Dirky]

I'd done some of my own personal studies on sex workers too. And while I can't say for sure how many of them are addicted to hard drugs, I did reach the conclusion that a sizable majority of them are excellent cock-suckers.

[trish]

But have you compared them to a control group in a blind study ;)

[Dirky]

But have you compared them to a control group in a blind study ;)

Yes. It's like the Pepsi challenge except it involves cocks instead of soda.

I'll publish my extensive results in a few weeks.

[IMISSHER]

i give up. there is enough self hatred here to last a lifetime. trish my work speaks for itself. imissher, comes from a death of a loved one who i miss very much, you pathetic........ ah whats the point. as one of my patients said once. "when you live the life, you forget how the rest of the world thinks". ladies i will never stop trying.

[Dirky]

i give up.

That's the most sensible thing you've wrote on the thread so far.

[tsmandy]

i give up. there is enough self hatred here to last a lifetime. trish my work speaks for itself. imissher, comes from a death of a loved one who i miss very much, you pathetic........ ah whats the point. as one of my patients said once. "when you live the life, you forget how the rest of the world thinks". ladies i will never stop trying.

I understand that you carry an immense amount of emotional baggage which you project onto those around you. I don't forget how the rest of the world thinks, I abhor it. I've dealt with plenty of grief and loss in my life and I have no need to seek attention from people on porn/sex worker forums for it. I have news for you, we all miss someone what makes you so fucking important that we ought to deal with your issues?

You think my world view is narrow? You don't know the first thing about the worlds I move through and the people whose lives I have impacted. We live in a terribly cruel and unjust world, and sex work is one of the few honest professions that involve connecting with other human beings. I don't work to get a fix, I don't shut down when I see my clients, I'm not a hole to be stuffed. I'm very choosy about whom I see and I pretty much always enjoy myself.

Go watch some reality TV and numb yourself already.

[IMISSHER]

i give up. there is enough self hatred here to last a lifetime. trish my work speaks for itself. imissher, comes from a death of a loved one who i miss very much, you pathetic........ ah whats the point. as one of my patients said once. "when you live the life, you forget how the rest of the world thinks". ladies i will never stop trying.

I understand that you carry an immense amount of emotional baggage which you project onto those around you. I don't forget how the rest of the world thinks, I abhor it. I've dealt with plenty of grief and loss in my life and I have no need to seek attention from people on porn/sex worker forums for it. I have news for you, we all miss someone what makes you so fucking important that we ought to deal with your issues?

You think my world view is narrow? You don't know the first thing about the worlds I move through and the people whose lives I have impacted. We live in a terribly cruel and unjust world, and sex work is one of the few honest professions that involve connecting with other human beings. I don't work to get a fix, I don't shut down when I see my clients, I'm not a hole to be stuffed. I'm very choosy about whom I see and I pretty much always enjoy myself.

Go watch some reality TV and numb yourself already.


keep up the rationalizations. there is so much good in this world, but when you surround yourself. well you know the answers. deal with my issues? im fine. its called compassion for others and to see them reach their full potential. why so defensive? hit a nerve. thats the idea. as i said before GOD bless your sig other. please dont destroy her with your hatred. let her lead you out. its called love.

[Nicole Dupre]

i give up. there is enough self hatred here to last a lifetime. trish my work speaks for itself. imissher, comes from a death of a loved one who i miss very much, you pathetic........ ah whats the point. as one of my patients said once. "when you live the life, you forget how the rest of the world thinks". ladies i will never stop trying.

We all have our crosses to bear. It would be as much of a mistake for you to project yours on to us as it would be for us to patronize you for yours. Thanks but, again, save it for someone else. Not everyone needs rescuing, and being grandiose is unnecessary.

[tsmandy]

keep up the rationalizations. there is so much good in this world, but when you surround yourself. well you know the answers. deal with my issues? im fine. its called compassion for others and to see them reach their full potential. why so defensive? hit a nerve. thats the idea. as i said before GOD bless your sig other. please dont destroy her with your hatred. let her lead you out. its called love.

Compassion for others I have more than enough of. Potential is a construct of your own sexist imagination. Oh wise father please speak in coherent thoughts your stream of consciousness is tiresome to decipher.

As for my significant other, I'm putting her through school and paying for her home. When she is sad I tend to her, when her body aches from ailments I soothe them (like the excellent whore that I am) my love sustains her in the hard times and she always has my back in return. Whats more, she made me the whore that I am, before her I had never thought about sex work. So please kindly eat your words.

Yes you struck a nerve, just like every dumbass who feels like interjecting their pathetic issues onto working girls.

[BiCuriousGeorge]

How else would anyone get the chance to have some sexual fun with Mandy, Nicole and anyone else you desire??

[IMISSHER]

keep up the rationalizations. there is so much good in this world, but when you surround yourself. well you know the answers. deal with my issues? im fine. its called compassion for others and to see them reach their full potential. why so defensive? hit a nerve. thats the idea. as i said before GOD bless your sig other. please dont destroy her with your hatred. let her lead you out. its called love.

Compassion for others I have more than enough of. Potential is a construct of your own sexist imagination. Oh wise father please speak in coherent thoughts your stream of consciousness is tiresome to decipher.

As for my significant other, I'm putting her through school and paying for her home. When she is sad I tend to her, when her body aches from ailments I soothe them (like the excellent whore that I am) my love sustains her in the hard times and she always has my back in return. Whats more, she made me the whore that I am, before her I had never thought about sex work. So please kindly eat your words.

Yes you struck a nerve, just like every dumbass who feels like interjecting their pathetic issues onto working girls.

"she made me the whore that i am", "dumbass", your the whore and im the dumbass who feels that being a whore is not the wisest life choice. let me see, whos the dumbass? your fortuanate that your so young and have chances. so many in your position do not. i have seen first hand the destruction. come on mandy, grow up. you want this?

[tsmandy]

keep up the rationalizations. there is so much good in this world, but when you surround yourself. well you know the answers. deal with my issues? im fine. its called compassion for others and to see them reach their full potential. why so defensive? hit a nerve. thats the idea. as i said before GOD bless your sig other. please dont destroy her with your hatred. let her lead you out. its called love.

Compassion for others I have more than enough of. Potential is a construct of your own sexist imagination. Oh wise father please speak in coherent thoughts your stream of consciousness is tiresome to decipher.

As for my significant other, I'm putting her through school and paying for her home. When she is sad I tend to her, when her body aches from ailments I soothe them (like the excellent whore that I am) my love sustains her in the hard times and she always has my back in return. Whats more, she made me the whore that I am, before her I had never thought about sex work. So please kindly eat your words.

Yes you struck a nerve, just like every dumbass who feels like interjecting their pathetic issues onto working girls.

"she made me the whore that i am", "dumbass", your the whore and im the dumbass who feels that being a whore is not the wisest life choice. let me see, whos the dumbass? your fortuanate that your so young and have chances. so many in your position do not. i have seen first hand the destruction. come on mandy, grow up. you want this?

I'm sorry I can barely comprehend your drunken stream of consciousness and incoherent arguments. Certainly I understand that I'm fortunate. I'm fortunate that I grew up in the US and didn't watch my family get murdered by death squads. I'm fortunate that I was born with exceptional talents and on and on. But really what is your point? That I'm lucky I figured life out enough to get off the streets and avoid problems with hard drugs and therefore ought to assimilate into society and live how you think I ought to? Shut the fuck up. You have nothing to offer but your own hangups.

[IMISSHER]

keep up the rationalizations. there is so much good in this world, but when you surround yourself. well you know the answers. deal with my issues? im fine. its called compassion for others and to see them reach their full potential. why so defensive? hit a nerve. thats the idea. as i said before GOD bless your sig other. please dont destroy her with your hatred. let her lead you out. its called love.

Compassion for others I have more than enough of. Potential is a construct of your own sexist imagination. Oh wise father please speak in coherent thoughts your stream of consciousness is tiresome to decipher.

As for my significant other, I'm putting her through school and paying for her home. When she is sad I tend to her, when her body aches from ailments I soothe them (like the excellent whore that I am) my love sustains her in the hard times and she always has my back in return. Whats more, she made me the whore that I am, before her I had never thought about sex work. So please kindly eat your words.

Yes you struck a nerve, just like every dumbass who feels like interjecting their pathetic issues onto working girls.

"she made me the whore that i am", "dumbass", your the whore and im the dumbass who feels that being a whore is not the wisest life choice. let me see, whos the dumbass? your fortuanate that your so young and have chances. so many in your position do not. i have seen first hand the destruction. come on mandy, grow up. you want this?

I'm sorry I can barely comprehend your drunken stream of consciousness and incoherent arguments. Certainly I understand that I'm fortunate. I'm fortunate that I grew up in the US and didn't watch my family get murdered by death squads. I'm fortunate that I was born with exceptional talents and on and on. But really what is your point? That I'm lucky I figured life out enough to get off the streets and avoid problems with hard drugs and therefore ought to assimilate into society and live how you think I ought to? Shut the fuck up. You have nothing to offer but your own hangups.


whatever mandy, whatever works for you. in my field i have helped many find a new direction and avoid all the pitfalls of being a whore, hangups no, its my job you twit, what dont u get. i am stating my beliefs bases on years of working in the community. i have every right to state them and will continue to do so. i find it imperative to point out the options that escorts have to get out. i will continue to work in that direction. if that makes me an asshole in your mind, then i have achieved my goal. it angers you, it makes you think and most of all maybe, just maybe u will realize how special u are and how you have so much to offer to this world. not to just a bunch of, well you know. you are so much better then that. peace.

[tsmandy]

whatever mandy, whatever works for you. in my field i have helped many find a new direction and avoid all the pitfalls of being a whore, hangups no, its my job you twit, what dont u get. i am stating my beliefs bases on years of working in the community. i have every right to state them and will continue to do so. i find it imperative to point out the options that escorts have to get out. i will continue to work in that direction. if that makes me an asshole in your mind, then i have achieved my goal. it angers you, it makes you think and most of all maybe, just maybe u will realize how special u are and how you have so much to offer to this world. not to just a bunch of, well you know. you are so much better then that. peace.

I am fully aware of how special I am, enough that when a sexist douche starts playing benevolent wise father I am going to call him out on it. Did it ever occur to you that some of us are right where we want to be, right where we are supposed to be? I don't want out, I wouldn't rather be working a 9-5. End of story. That doesn't mean I have a low self worth, except for in your own mind.

If your social service skills are as bad as your writing I doubt you do anything but make girls want to jump off a bridge.

There is a big difference between a girl who hooks on the street to survive and a woman like myself who can make as much money as a well paid lawyer. Your failure to understand that makes you a sad joke.

[rickyswild]

Mandy u rock

[blacktgirls]

If a girl is actually desirable, she will have guys wanting to sleep with her no matter what, and won't need to escort for validation.

You forget men will fuck almost anything. But they don't pay to fuck almost anything.

Yes there is an element of validation to it. Consider one way I have been personally attacked was by having someone try to say that I never escorted. :-/ Under most circumstances it would be an accusation to say someone was an escort. That is enough to say to me that even people who could never escort in 50 trillion years think of it as a validation. Which it is. Men don't pay to fuck just anything. Men with wives and girlfriends pay to fuck someone they find more desirable than their GG's.

All of that said, the ultimate motivation for this is money. It cost a great deal of money to live as a transsexual. To date I have spent $15000 on procedures.this would be true except for the fact that the less passable TS get just as many clients as passable TS which is proven by that fact that every prostitute is able to pay for her transition no matter how she looks ....... though in person no TS is passable because TS cockhounds live up to their names there and you also get clocked by all the drunk girls in the bars , the lady that clips your dogs nails , i guess pretty much everyone otherwise you would work a nine to five .......the reason you girls get clients is that guys want to be with a TS and you advertise on prostitution sites . if you feel this means that men desire you then why does every TS from DRAGS to GUCCI find trade ...... think of it more like being a euphoric rush for a sex addict thats easy to find ..... it doesn't mean he finds you more attractive than his GG otherwise he would court you , not rent by the hour . REVISION : Brenda , i just want to say that my reply to your post here was not in any way meant to be a personal knock against you ....... it's just that you posted some thoughts that i could use to counter with my opinion on escorts seeing a large clientele as validation that they are desirous to men ......like i stated , all TS , can pay for transition by selling their bodies and their clients are just sex addicts using them as kink in order to get a higher rush .....the same guy who pays a $1,000 for a high class TS escort , has also bought 5 , $200 , TS escorts on Craigslist .... TS escorting is not glamorous it is just all around sad . if you notice there are girls , who are still in drags , who post their pics on HA and who are then bombarded with praise from guys here and told that they are worthy of being fucked . i hit edit on my original post when i meant to hit quote ....... i wrote a revision above ^^^ to my original post saying that my original post was not a personal attack on BrendQG , but only a reply to what she had posted ........... i think Brenda is a nice person :)

[blacktgirls]

I’m not sure what the percentage of escorts is among transgender women or why so many of them do escort if in fact so many do. The cost of transitioning would certainly be a factor, especially for girls from poorer backgrounds or girls whose gender issues have estranged them from their families; families that would have otherwise been an economic safety net. I know some people here think that escorts degrade themselves for money. For those without puritan hang-ups it can be both an entertaining and educational business. You get to meet with all sorts of people, question and learn under the most intimate circumstances. I no longer escort, but I paid for both my transitioning and undergraduate education by holding down two low wage jobs and escorting. Escorting was by far the most lucrative, the most challenging and the most worthwhile of the three. Trish , you need to take your story to Judith Regan because if your life story is true then you have one hell of a book to sell .

[blacktgirls]

Phobun,
You really don't know anything you are talking about. You start quoting all your bullshit reports and studies, but you have absolutely no real knowledge about the transexual community, and how it works.

As for being a working girl. I know in your little dreamworld they all get jobs at Burger King and slowly over the next 20 years save enough for their surgeries, which they will get if they havent been killed at the bus stop or fired by a manager or committed suicide after being humiliated by that one last customer at the counter.

In the real world, they have peers in their community that have made the change, facillitated by by being a working girl. Until you've actually lived with someone who is shelling out tens of thousands of dollars for breast surgery, facial reconstruction, laser treatments, trachia shave, ribs being broken and reset, etc dont sit in your little ivory tower and judge them.

You seem to like the results yet frown on the working girls for doing what they have to to get there before they are in their 40s and 50s. Yeah they make more money than you do, or probably alot of us, but it goes for their transitions, as well as rent, car, and whatever else life has thrown at them.

I might suggest the AOL transgendered chatrooms. You will find a much more sympathetic crowd there for your view point. Somewhat older, less passable perhaps, but you will definitely be a welcome presence there.

Here there are sex workers, its a fucking porn forum after all. They network some, maybe advertise, but the last thing they need is some douche telling them that all the danger and hardship they are enduring to get where they need to be before they are senior citizens is taking the easy way out. 411 , do you have any TS prostitute friends that quit prostituting once they had paided for their transition ? of the TS escorts or former escorts you are friends with , what is the age of the oldest TS ?

[Nicole Dupre]

Bump..........

[TsVanessa69]

Men are dogs
men are cheaters
men use ts as an expierement
then go home to wifey
society treats us like shit, then pays to suck our cocks
this convo is old and redundant

[TSLexiWade]

Okay, I haven't read a single post in regards to this thread because the first word I saw was "whore" & "dumbass" which made me realize immediately - drama!


Aside from all that jazz - the main reason as to why TS women begin escorting is simply for the fact that the body structures of TS aren't like GG - due to implants, injections, etc.

I'm sure you're like... HUH?

TODAY, July 29, 2010 - It is LEGAL in 39 "UNITED" States for an employer to tell someone who may be transgender - "NO!" simply for the fact that we are TS as well as it being legal for them to terminate someone who may be of our orientation.

Did you know it's LEGAL in 28 states for an employer to fire or terminate someone for being gay, lesbian or bisexual? ... IT SURE IS!



READ MORE ABOUT IT HERE! www.PassENDA.blogspot.com

YES! This is REAL FACTS! :)


XOXO! Beautiful & smart...

[saintpatrick]

He robbed banks. When asked why he answered "Because that's where the money is."

[Jericho]

He robbed banks. When asked why he answered "Because that's where the money is."

That's my new favourite quote! :Bowdown:

[jamiecoxxdotcom]

I do it because it's easy work & pays well. More importantly it buys me the most important commodity of all: Time. While others toil and fret just to keep a roof over their heads I get to wake up and make music or help people out with there own creative endeavors. Is escorting a short sited career path? Yup. Do I care? Nope. I stash a little away, I have a few other grifts going on the side, life is fun and things are fine and if I wind up bowing out a little earlier than most normal worker bees - well, that's just fine by me - I don't relish the idea of a second set of diaper years anyway. I'll be leaving behind some pretty cool things that I've put into this world, I've seen and done plenty as it is. Escorting just make sense to a person like me.

[Helvis2012]

It might be one of the most viable ways these girls can live.

[alyssaluxor]

i want to tell the reason and story why i end up being in the adult business but its kinda long story lol

ill try next time....

kisses
Alyssa Luxor

[lovesall]

Flexable hours, tax free, and money to do bigger and better things in the future. But that is just my two cents.

[drock]

I do it because it's easy work & pays well. More importantly it buys me the most important commodity of all: Time. While others toil and fret just to keep a roof over their heads I get to wake up and make music or help people out with there own creative endeavors. Is escorting a short sited career path? Yup. Do I care? Nope. I stash a little away, I have a few other grifts going on the side, life is fun and things are fine and if I wind up bowing out a little earlier than most normal worker bees - well, that's just fine by me - I don't relish the idea of a second set of diaper years anyway. I'll be leaving behind some pretty cool things that I've put into this world, I've seen and done plenty as it is. Escorting just make sense to a person like me.


As long as you're happy baby that's what matters most..

[drock]

Because men need something to poke their dick into (OR to have their hole poked), for 5 days outta the of the month!


is that so. lol