Christianity is evil

[b/tardedRadaral]

Christianity is the cause of all the war and hate in the world. It's why Fox news exists, why people go hungry, why ww2 happened, why we have teenagers who get killed for having sex, why homosexuals are persecuted,
why so many people get arrested for petty reasons and why rap sucks today. Seriously what hasn't Christianity killed, fucked over or hurt! Not saying there's not a god in some way but that book is pure hate, lies and bigotry. Also I like legos, pokemon and brotha lynch hung and insane clown posse.

[yodajazz]

I look at it this way: Every single thing can be used for 'good' or 'evil' purposes. That was the allegorical story of the Garden of Eden every thing was good, like sex for example, until their eyes were opened that it could be used for evil purposes. Then they covered themselves up.

Christianity is often used for 'limited' goals, like controlling people, personal power, and numerous other objectives. But the higher goals in it, are to open people up; to believe they can do anything and to love. How many of those things you said about Christianity (above) have to do with those concepts? In fact all of things you said go against the higher principles. The same is very true with how Islam is used.

People just need to be taught what is most important.

[hippifried]

...or maybe people need to be untaught what isn't important.

[yodajazz]

...or maybe people need to be untaught what isn't important.
Yeah, it's the same thing. It's like a hierarchy of what more, to least important. For example what Hippifried does in his bedroom with a consenting adult affects few people. But allowing an industry such as the banking industry to siphon off money from a community with no tangible benefits effects a whole community, and goes on to larger groups of people. or to put it your way, sex is not that important in the moral hierarchy.

[techi]

Where would we be without Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson to shepard us?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-CAcdta_8I

But seriously, no real beef with religion, just those that misuse it.

[loren]

Christianity is ... why ww2 happened,No, World War II happened because of the undrelying failures of the Treaty of Versailles. The Germans, instead of being driven back to Berlin in defeat, were allowed to retire (march back) in good order. Germany was forced to accept full responsibility for the war. Also, Germany was forced to pay an impossible sum, 269 billion gold marks approx $393 billion US dollars as of 2005, of money (which is still unpayed) in reparations to the Allies.

In speaking about the Treaty of Versailles, Ferdinand Foch, Marshal of France, said "This is not a peace. It is an armistice for 20 years."

[notdrunk]

Thanks for trolling hard!

[loren]

Thanks for trolling hard! :what

[hippifried]

Versailles was just a ceasefire. It was all the same war with an intermission.

My problem with fundamentalists isn't that they want me to think as they do.
It's that they want me to do as they think.

Lord, deliver me from your adherents.

[q1a2z3]

Christianity is the cause of all the war and hate in the world. It's why Fox news exists, why people go hungry, why ww2 happened, why we have teenagers who get killed for having sex, why homosexuals are persecuted,
why so many people get arrested for petty reasons and why rap sucks today. Seriously what hasn't Christianity killed, fucked over or hurt! Not saying there's not a god in some way but that book is pure hate, lies and bigotry. Also I like legos, pokemon and brotha lynch hung and insane clown posse.


Snoop? Is that pork chop? Here's $50.00 take some music lessons!!!

People have both good and evil in their hearts. Christianity is the Truth and the Way.

Hitler (SOCIALIST) killed millions in WWII including at least 6 million of God's chosen people.

Obama and Ted Kennedy (SOCIALIST) help killed 50 million unborn in America. They want to make money available around the world for the same purpose. The major cause of death in the black community is ABORTION, followed by sass talking back to a policemen.

Lenin, Stalin and Mao, Pol Pot, (COMMUNISTS) killed over 250 million. This does not include the conservative estimate of 100 million ABORTIONS in communist china and the soviet union.

Hey scholastic! WWII was caused by Hitler and his SODOMITE/MYSTIC/PHONEY MYTHOLOGY.

You have to engage in SEX to be SEXUAL. SODOMITES ARE NOT SEXUAL!
Sodomy is a hobby not a lifestyle.

You need to wake up and read history.

[hippifried]

& there it is!
The best anti-Christian ad on the internet.

[q1a2z3]

& there it is!
The best anti-Christian ad on the internet.

Actually, it is a pro-Christianity ad. We all need salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. I know I sin in thought, word and deed every day. The first step is knowing you are a sinner and need Jesus in your life.

Whether he comes to us as a man or as a Raptor (male Raptor) Jesus and God are dudes and wants us to live a life of joy.

[hippifried]

Oh, & it proselytizes too.
Interesting programming over there at the Rush Beck robotics lab.

[notdrunk]

Thanks for trolling hard! :what

Christianity is not the cause of all the problems in the world. A person with at least a half of a brain knows that it is not.

[El Nino]

Religion is a fraud

[DL_NL]

No religion is evil. Religious extremists are evil.

[hippifried]

No religion is evil. Religious extremists are evil.
I don't know if they're all evil, but definitely goofy.

I have a whole litany of satanic & communist talking points that I use on the Jehova's Witnesses & Mormon missionaries. It's a hoot.

[trish]

Not all religions are evil; just the ones we've invented so far :)

[yodajazz]

Not all religions are evil; just the ones we've invented so far :)
Most religions have noble principles. And they promote humans connections to each other and the larger universe. But so many have used religious doctrine to exploit people's natural predjudices for political power. People have been fighting and killing one another before all these religions came to be.

Take Islam. It was born in a warfare tribal culture. What you did when things got a little lean in the tribe, was attack another community that was in better shape. When the Prophet started getting his spiritual visions, he also had to deal with the culture. Warriors were going to fight with you, or against you. That's what they had always been doing. So he had to include battefield and social rules with his spiritual visions. I think they were necessary at the time.

The issue I have, is if all those battlefield and social rules are nescessary today. But I say it's not the religion; that has the greater principles such as justice and peace, that is at fault. It is the older concept of power and control of resources. The Koran is a fairly consistant document, not having different versions. So most all Muslims study from the same book. However the groups which split apart in a dispute over the succesor to the Phophet in 632, (1377 years ago) have not been able to resolve their differences. But I say that it is really about power and control of resources. So that is why you have some knucklehead telling a kid that a spur of the moment battlefield decision made by the Phophet is more important than a principle such as the respectful treatment of women.

[yosi]

Not all religions are evil; just the ones we've invented so far :)
Most religions have noble principles. And they promote humans connections to each other and the larger universe.

yodajazz
YOU are the one who believe in noble principles , promoting humans connections to each other and the larger universe.

most poeple use religion for political power and money , not for noble principles

[El Nino]

No religion is evil. Religious extremists are evil.

No, it is a fraud

[russtafa]

i quite like the principals of buddism ,i dont believe it is an aggressive religion

[hippifried]

Na-myo-ho-ren-gei-kyo...

[loveburst]

Christianity is the cause of all the war and hate in the world. It's why Fox news exists, why people go hungry, why ww2 happened, why we have teenagers who get killed for having sex, why homosexuals are persecuted,
why so many people get arrested for petty reasons and why rap sucks today. Seriously what hasn't Christianity killed, fucked over or hurt! Not saying there's not a god in some way but that book is pure hate, lies and bigotry. Also I like legos, pokemon and brotha lynch hung and insane clown posse.

That is true.

The Bible is one of the best ever mind / spirit manipulation tools to exist, alongside the other religions aswell.

All these books do, is they leave one having a thirst for spiritualism filled with jam and jelly in their throats.. At first glance, they seem to get something they are after, but after awhile they realise they actually cannot breathe anymore.. actually at that point they would be (spiritually) so dead, so that they could not even tell the difference due to having ingested such a bunch of mental manipulation tools (in the form of text) that after awhile starts to work inside their minds as a feel repellent, as thoughtforms that prevent one from feeling their own feelings due to fearing of loosing a spot in the heaven.

Now this is all something that creates quite much of the problems we see today. People guilting themselves over something as natural something could ever for a human be, as premarital lovemaking, or lovemaking without having a ring in your hand..

..also we can see the results of such a mindcontroll, from the activities of the preasts in the catholic and other churches. The natural urges of man cannot be tamed, but they can be perverted via such beliefsystems as christianity or other mind manipulation tools like the Bible (that use association via guilt and other categorization techniques to prevent one from gathering experiences, and therefor understanding what one needs - as a soul)

I will not get into the question of free will on this one, but from a logical standpoint of understanding people as spiritual entities / consciousnesses living inside human bodies, the concept of Sin is a technical impossibility or paradox that itself would prevent the concept of free will - because we understand things by feeling as souls, every understanding requires gathered experience - therefor we cannot have "laws / moral codes" that prevent one from gathering understanding, and therefor also experience, on any particular thing - because they prevent the possibility to make a choice (about anything) from a point of understanding the thing..

..such as..

Deciding wheter you like chocolate pudding - you cannot simply understand if you like chocolate pudding or not before tasting it, or perhaps having eaten a whole portion of one (..because there might be consequences that you either like or dislike, that you can see only a day after you have eaten the pudding..)

Now what Bible (..and other mental manipulation via moralisation..) does, it forces people to put their "feelings on to hold" so that they cannot actually experience the thing before making a stand about what they "should feel" about the issue.

This is what seriously compromises the natural state of a human..

..and leads into all kinds of schitzophrenic outcomes, just like other forms of laws / moralcodes that are unjust for the ones they are being applied on (..because people must act to both themselves and to the people they love, to assert their feelings according to these sets of "rules - on how to feel"..).

[hippifried]

Oh ye blasphemous Loveburst,

Go to Hell
Go directly to Hell
Do not pass Limbo
Do not collect absolution

You won't get doubles either, because that pair-o-dice are loaded.

[Virtualdistance]

Christianity is the cause of all the war and hate in the world. It's why Fox news exists, why people go hungry, why ww2 happened, why we have teenagers who get killed for having sex, why homosexuals are persecuted,
why so many people get arrested for petty reasons and why rap sucks today. Seriously what hasn't Christianity killed, fucked over or hurt! Not saying there's not a god in some way but that book is pure hate, lies and bigotry. Also I like legos, pokemon and brotha lynch hung and insane clown posse.

Christianity is true Fascism cooporate dictatorship , we are already on patents version 2 which was an evolution compared to patent version 1 where u got executed for inventing stuff like Galileo who said earth was round ...

[irongoddess]

Religions separate people,so how can it be any good?how can people still believe the world was made in 7 days???

[SammiValentine]

Ummm yea lets blame Christians!!, infact no religion in general :) In a world without religion we (the human race not we as individuals as you cant tar everyone with the same brush) would just be fighting, hurting, stealing, raping under the umbrella of something else, it is human nature, mankind, we have a greedy streak, we have the potential to be "evil" , that is why we are the most dangerous species on the planet.

Religion is just a fantastic excuse.

[Niccolo]

Christianity is the cause of all the war and hate in the world. It's why Fox news exists, why people go hungry, why ww2 happened, why we have teenagers who get killed for having sex, why homosexuals are persecuted,
why so many people get arrested for petty reasons and why rap sucks today. Seriously what hasn't Christianity killed, fucked over or hurt! Not saying there's not a god in some way but that book is pure hate, lies and bigotry. Also I like legos, pokemon and brotha lynch hung and insane clown posse.
Are you a Muslim?

If you're not, then go ahead and read the Koran. And remember 9/11. It wasn't Christians who hijacked those planes.

[Coroner]

Are you a Muslim?

If you're not, then go ahead and read the Koran. And remember 9/11. It wasn't Christians who hijacked those planes.

Really a bad way of justifying christianity. I don´t think that 9/11 is a measure for everything. Islam is evil. It is an irrational religion, full of ancient myths with their prejudices and absoluteness claims but is christianity any different? No, it´s not! Why aren´t people in the West hijacking planes? Because they live secular. They don´t follow the bible, even declared Christians. Ever read the Old Testament? That´s one of the biggest garbage literature ever written by one or more psychopaths. Those Christian fundamentalists in the US are no different than the Taliban but their methods are different and they have their people in American political institutions that support them and enable their missionary activities worldwide, from South America to Africa. George W. Bush is a so-called born again Christian. He is a terrorist in a suit.

[Nicole Dupre]

I think Christianity is such an umbrella term at this point. It's like "GLBT". The only thing those four groups have in common is a common potential enemy; heteronormative oppressors. I see Christianity, overall, as a powerful multi-splintered cult.

There are always good people in cults. But the deeper you get into a cult, the more the insidious the "program" gets. Plus, there are always token good things that cults do. The missionaries always did plenty of good, but the agenda behind them is never obvious. I mean, we all know that the Vatican could feed the starving masses if they hocked their jewelry alone, and they won't. But you can't blame the people who were indoctrinated from birth. My grandmothers have no weird agenda.

And of course the priests are pedophiles. It's against the rules for them to get laid, and their eyes start to wander. It doesn't make it right, but it's not rocket science as to how they wound up that way. If they were healthy, viral, hetero men; what would they be doing signing up for a life like that in the first place? They must have been somewhat introverted and kinky to begin with.

[Virtualdistance]

Im for the removal of all religions.

[hippifried]

If you get rid of religion, you won't have the God crazies to laugh at anymore.

Anti-religion is an anti-entertainment conspiracy.

[Nicole Dupre]

That's very true. Robert Tilton is hands down one of the most entertaining performers I've ever seen. I wish it was easier to locate vids of him just speaking in tongues, but this is funny too. The thing about him is, you don't have to add sound effects to get some very over the top showmanship.

YouTube- Tilton Classic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsoFi_o1koo)

[Virtualdistance]

If you get rid of religion, you won't have the God crazies to laugh at anymore.

True but then u wont have any "holy wars" no people will blow themselves up cause religion is part of mythology, no elite to make our money 900% intrest and use in wars ...

World would become a little nicer..

[hippifried]

Hey! It's all about priorities.

[Virtualdistance]

Hey! It's all about priorities.

So u'd rather keep the religious multibillionaires that have cheated people outta money for centuries by killing innocent folks , outlawing inventions & progress telling people the earth was flat , didn't allow em to learn stuff etc..
Instead of removing em from power, outlawing their activities , nationalize their stolen stuff and give em back to the people from whom it was stolen from in the first place.

[hippifried]

What's the difference? The billionaires of today have nothing to do with religion. Religion has been debunked & replaced with the theology of economics. We crusaded against the commugnostics & defeated them. Now the rift is between the 2 great monetary denominations of Keynesians & anti-Keynesians, with the demigod Adam Smith still sitting at the right hand of the almighty god-dollar.

It's always something. Why spend energy ranting & raving against something that's already irrelevant? Monarchy's all but gone. The last theocracies are on the way out in the next generation or 2. It's time to update the whining.

[Virtualdistance]

What's the difference? The billionaires of today have nothing to do with religion.

Whatabout the vatican? [/QUOTE]



Religion has been debunked & replaced with the theology of economics. We crusaded against the commugnostics & defeated them. Now the rift is between the 2 great monetary denominations of Keynesians & anti-Keynesians, with the demigod Adam Smith still sitting at the right hand of the almighty god-dollar.

Keynes methods are highly fascist and promote mafioso methods such as intrest, Adam Smith? gimmie a break! this guys ideas are over 200 years old , im taking my chances with new shit such as Kim Il Sung's Juche thats much better and has proven itself to be quite solid against Kaynesism...
Religious lords and monarchs spend their loot into goverments and political monopoly companies to ensure the cooporate dictatorship US/EU...


It's always something. Why spend energy ranting & raving against something that's already irrelevant? Monarchy's all but gone. The last theocracies are on the way out in the next generation or 2. It's time to update the whining.

You update the whining you remove whats wrong in the first place or u get the same old whining that's been done over 200 years ...

[hippifried]

Whatabout the vatican?
What about it? It's a holdover from the Roman opulence. They're all out of clout. They're hanging onto some power in parts of the developing world, but they're on the decline. In the developed world, they're claiming gains in England. But the reality is that they aren't growing at all. They just aren't declining as fast as the Anglicans.



Keynes methods are highly fascist and promote mafioso methods such as intrest, Adam Smith? gimmie a break! this guys ideas are over 200 years old , im taking my chances with new shit such as Kim Il Sung's Juche thats much better and has proven itself to be quite solid against Kaynesism...
Religious lords and monarchs spend their loot into goverments and political monopoly companies to ensure the cooporate dictatorship US/EU...
Even Keynes' formulas are closing in on the century mark. Adam Smith created the modern formulation of capitalism. Marx put his silliness together in the mid 19th century. I'm certainly not going to give a lot of credence to some Korean megalomaniac who created a military monarchy with warmed over Marxism & a bunch of doubletalk about self reliance in a lush country that can barely feed itself. As far as I'm concerned, they're all crackpots. It ain't about religion.



You update the whining you remove whats wrong in the first place or u get the same old whining that's been done over 200 years ...
200 years? How about the last 10 millenia? Religion's just a control tool. One of many. It's not the source of the quest for control. Those on the quest use whatever tool is handy. The ideal is to break the bogus memes that are used justify the quest. Is there really a difference betwee those who would use superstition to control the society & those who would seek to stamp out such superstitions in favor of their own? Crusade all you want, but that just makes you another crusader.

[Virtualdistance]

What about it? It's a holdover from the Roman opulence. They're all out of clout. They're hanging onto some power in parts of the developing world, but they're on the decline. In the developed world, they're claiming gains in England. But the reality is that they aren't growing at all. They just aren't declining as fast as the Anglicans.

Not to mention they took up the buried axe and are running falseflag antimuslim crusade but this time with modern weapons ...




Bla bla bla capitalism rules north korea sucks , economy crisis is the shit bla bla bla etc

First:
Kim il Sung = Father of Juche idea communism...
Kim Jong Il = Father of Songun Revolutionary Peoples Defence against future to be invading crooks ...
Well making up stuff about Kim il Sung is intresting but quoting DPRK law shows that freedom of speach/press/right of live wherever u want its all there : http://www1.korea-np.co.jp/pk/061st_issue/98091708.htm Lots of this constitution is mentioned in american "land of free" propaganda but is nonexistent in US constitution (actually US constitution is a nightmare of imperialist rights stuff)...
In the 80s DPRK north korea has kickass economy and surpassed all soviet countries that were stuck in Marx+experimental socialist politics , then the american IMF invest in alliance with other west countrys in robbing their money and got away with it , since then North Koreans produce their own money away from the Kaynes-following crooks , and North VS south begins to catch up , why do you think corrupt "Human Rights" organizations write tons of them hollywood stories ...
Truth is Supermarkets in DPRK have all natural & good quality food at humane prices , everyone has access to a job and never goes without money or lack funds to buy nessecities for personal life , so north koreans are quite unopressed in their personal lives and they become fans of the goverment cuz free peoples press updates people on real news not like the cooporate shit here ...
Economical crisis is impossible when state doesn't borrow its own economy from the bank-mob and its all good cuz some nations arnt fond of betraying their people...

And i hate Socialistinternational / international democrat union forced Monopolic unfair chosen for over 100 years in europe, despite other parties in existance... High treason politics to the cooporate dictatorship agenda aint my thing...




Religion's just a control tool and blah blah blah.

Thats where your wrong its a series of robbing organizations using Pseudo-science to trick people into throw more cash into an already overfed cashcow , then they start to invest in politics financed by all tortured and killed victims over the centuries and you get an EU dictator Herman Van Rompoy not really chosen by the board but more like financed probably by the inquisition-loot , so holy crusade business may continue and restore the old values , values not unlike the vile Mussolini or evil Hitler tried to uphold robbing people of their belongings , lock em up without explenation and torture em to death while using the loot to make world more miserable...

[hippifried]

Not to mention they took up the buried axe and are running falseflag antimuslim crusade but this time with modern weapons ...
Oh. The modern crusade against Islam is Catholic? I suppose they're the controlling masters of the Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, & Protestants too? Couldn't have anything to do with petrodollars & the London petroleum exchange, huh?



Bla bla bla capitalism rules north korea sucks , economy crisis is the shit bla bla bla etc
If you want to quote me, go ahead. I don't mind. I don't even care if you get snotty & cut it off with a "blah blah blah". But this is nothing but a lie that you put my name on. If you'd bothered to read my comment before reacting to your own prejudiced stereotypes, you'd know that none of that crap came from me.


First:
Kim il Sung = Father of Juche idea communism...
Kim Jong Il = Father of Songun Revolutionary Peoples Defence against future to be invading crooks ...
Well making up stuff about Kim il Sung is intresting but quoting DPRK law shows that freedom of speach/press/right of live wherever u want its all there : http://www1.korea-np.co.jp/pk/061st_issue/98091708.htm Lots of this constitution is mentioned in american "land of free" propaganda but is nonexistent in US constitution (actually US constitution is a nightmare of imperialist rights stuff)...
In the 80s DPRK north korea has kickass economy and surpassed all soviet countries that were stuck in Marx+experimental socialist politics , then the american IMF invest in alliance with other west countrys in robbing their money and got away with it , since then North Koreans produce their own money away from the Kaynes-following crooks , and North VS south begins to catch up , why do you think corrupt "Human Rights" organizations write tons of them hollywood stories ...
Truth is Supermarkets in DPRK have all natural & good quality food at humane prices , everyone has access to a job and never goes without money or lack funds to buy nessecities for personal life , so north koreans are quite unopressed in their personal lives and they become fans of the goverment cuz free peoples press updates people on real news not like the cooporate shit here ...
Economical crisis is impossible when state doesn't borrow its own economy from the bank-mob and its all good cuz some nations arnt fond of betraying their people...
Kim Il Sung appointed Kim Jung Il as his successor. Now one of Junior's sons is about to take the reins as King Kim III. How is this different from what you're complaining about? Monarchy by any other name...
I didn't just get off the boat.

Socio-economic theories all sound rosey until somebody tries to put them into practice. Nobody's ever been able to preplan a society generations in advance. Claire voyance is a myth, & there's always somebody (or a lot of somebodies) who are smarter than the author of the hypothesis & find workarounds. The theories are all bunk. There's always a free market, even if it's a black market, despite all the work that's wasted trying to control it from the top. That includes ideas, despite all the best wasted efforts to get everybody on the same page. Preplanned socio-economic systems have a 100% failure rate. It's like trying to herd cats.

DPRK was never really a soviet republic. Not part of the Union anyway. They had a thriving economy in the late '40s, but they got stupid & pissed it away on military silliness. Then they took the long step off the cliff by going isolationist. They're a basket case, & they're going to continue to be a basket case because they refuse to work & play well with others. Open trade & free movement of people is the key to stability. Draconian measures are the only way to control that. Sooner or later the peninsula is going to reunite, & they won't be on top. Nobody can take on the whole world or hide from it.

BTW: Here's the US Constitution:
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
Amendments 1 - 10:
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html
Amendments 11 - 27:
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_amendments_11-27.html
Sorry about breaking it up like that but that's how the National Archives is set up. That's all of it. You'll have to show me all that "imperialism".


And i hate Socialistinternational / international democrat union forced Monopolic unfair chosen for over 100 years in europe, despite other parties in existance... High treason politics to the cooporate dictatorship agenda aint my thing...
I don't know what you're on about now. I don't have a translator from cliche to English.




Thats where your wrong its a series of robbing organizations using Pseudo-science to trick people into throw more cash into an already overfed cashcow , then they start to invest in politics financed by all tortured and killed victims over the centuries and you get an EU dictator Herman Van Rompoy not really chosen by the board but more like financed probably by the inquisition-loot , so holy crusade business may continue and restore the old values , values not unlike the vile Mussolini or evil Hitler tried to uphold robbing people of their belongings , lock em up without explenation and torture em to death while using the loot to make world more miserable...
& once again, it's obvious you didn't bother to read the comment that you're pretending to retort on. Oh well.

[Virtualdistance]

Oh. The modern crusade against Islam is Catholic? I suppose they're the controlling masters of the Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, & Protestants too? Couldn't have anything to do with petrodollars & the London petroleum exchange, huh?

Who else looted/terrorized the good people for centuries? that serpents change their skin but not their ways...





If you want to quote me, go ahead. I don't mind. I don't even care if you get snotty & cut it off with a "blah blah blah". But this is nothing but a lie that you put my name on. If you'd bothered to read my comment before reacting to your own prejudiced stereotypes, you'd know that none of that crap came from me.

Why? don't even put quote tags or present your claims and writers of that sources , nobody knows who writes the propaganda against non Imperialist countries , Why? cause its the propaganda ministry of US/UK that handles that crap.
Makes you tell lies and claims with unverified secret auhtors/writers as they were your own . I'd respect if you at least quoted these loosly biased sources and presented the guys who wrote em to us...




Some shit taken from an american newspaper propaganda ministry thats not really written by real journalists but rather by big brother goverment (where i forgot to put quote tags around) "the communist=monarchy" thing .

First of all DPRK started out as a soviet state just like many liberated socialist countries did . Nobody appointed anyone Kim Jong il was always under Kim il Sung and a good leader of the party...



Lots of bullshit about how the banker-locked entirelly dominated by federal reserve market is free.

Its way better where it aint that "free"



DPRK was never really a soviet republic. Not part of the Union anyway. They had a thriving economy in the late '40s, but they got stupid & pissed it away on military silliness. Then they took the long step off the cliff by going isolationist. They're a basket case, & they're going to continue to be a basket case because they refuse to work & play well with others. Open trade & free movement of people is the key to stability. Draconian measures are the only way to control that. Sooner or later the peninsula is going to reunite, & they won't be on top. Nobody can take on the whole world or hide from it.

It started as a part of soviet like most communist liberated countries..
So you expect them to sell out just like the soviet union did and put millions into extreme poberty , prostitution, famine etc where the police only protects the ones with big wallets ...
I say fuck that DPRK is futurist freedom society ...



BTW: Here's the US Constitution:
Lots of imperialist nightmare stuff that protects the "president system" custom set congresses etc , quick changes rewrites and more all in favour of bigtime profits for the elite .


The biggest problem is that peoples votes are held in secret there is absolute no control over them and we have seen imperials above the law before like : house of unamerican activities...



Im just playing stupid and pretend Socialist International / International democrat union political and monopolic cooporations don't exist...


HOW VERY FUCKIN "AMERICAN" OF U !




& once again, it's obvious you didn't bother to read the comment that you're pretending to retort on. Oh well.

I have been reading up on the Imperialist Businessfinanced news before . Its clear that the bull your feeding this thread has its origins in the stuff the american state wants you to know.
American Stateworshippers like you are what happens where shit hits the fan in the US , defending entertainment to the end despite all the centuries and billions of killed people in all kinds of inquisitions/crusades and our knowledge about how profithungry bigtime sharks continue doing what they always been doing to get their profit . We just got Vatican VS Islam wars led by US-Cooporate dictatorship supported by EU Dictator and bigtime Vatican puppet Herman Van Rompoy ... Disgusting.

[hippifried]

Okay, I understand now. You're just another clown from the lunatic fringe that doesn't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. You're too ignorant & stupid to back up your contentions, so you need to lie about what's being said. If that assessment is incorrect in any way, you're not doing anything to change the perception.

You're worthless & I'm done.

[loveburst]

I'm quite there with Sammi Valentine, and Nicole also, concerning the logic that seems so impossible for many to grasp about what causes the abuses in the Catholic community..

..there is a natural urge, that one has been taught to dimm down, in such a way that the urge will only find different outlets -> which is what we have been reading about. No one in the media seems to have the guts to take this issue to the table: If we have a system that seems to cause depressive thoughts, and perverted forms of outlets of natural urges.. Why do not we simply step back as humanity, pause just for a second, an rephrase such a system, a bug in society - that has so far been overlooked?

This is the part and hippocracy I do not understand on behalf of those, who are supposed to be considered as anyones spiritual leaders.. Should not there also be 100% self honesty about a beliefsystem one is willing to spread - incase those who are spreading it indeed are serious about spreading it as something that will enhance the good qualities in men, and what is best for the spiritual evolution of mankind?

..but enough on my blabber about this.. Personally I see it self evident, that there must be a creator to any reality, because "A reality cannot create the grounds, and buildingblocks for its own birth (..and existence..), unless it is working outside itself." ..but still, there is something about the religious superstition, that somehow irritates me.

It is not actually the religion, it is the same with politics and everything.. people get some kind of vibes off something, and start spreading that immediately (without a pause, to confirm wheter it is true - it seems to me atleast to be the case).

Or maybe I just don't understand (something)..

[Virtualdistance]

you need to lie about what's being said.

Listen here son just cause your murderous goverment produces brainwashing news doesn't mean everyone need to go with it , there are good americans out there that don't defend the goverment and the religion propagandamachine that makes their life shit , obviously your not one of them..



You're worthless.

Thats the way of the imperialist and defender of their crimes , observe how they attempt to humiliate anyone with different opinions..

[trish]

I think you, Virtualdistance, misunderstand. Hippiefried indicated the places where you, not the U.S. Government nor the news organizations, lied about what was posted in this thread for everyone to see. It's pretty difficult to wiggle out of that. Perhaps you're just a careless reader. I wouldn't be surprised because you're certainly a careless thinker who enjoys dropping political labels like they were cherry bombs on the 4th of July. Who would have thought you were so patriotic!

I'm the first to admit the U.S. is in essence as much an empire as a nation can be in the modern world. We've got troops and bases stationed all around the world. The reasons are manifold and stretch back further than the Monroe Doctrine, through the two world wars, the cold war with the soviet union, the lobbying power of large industries, their ties with the military, etc. etc. That in its conception the Constitution was [an] imperialist document just isn't one of those manifold reasons. If you're interested in accurately describing or explaining the state of and the causes of U.S. policy dispositions around the world, then antiquated, broad brush, caricatures like "Mussolini-fascism" are worthless.

Now to the thread's topic: Is Christianity evil?
No. Ill-conceived? Yes. Based solely on the mythical intentions of a magical being with a nasty temper? Yes. Has it been used to justify the inhumane treatment of whole populations? Yes. Has it been used to justify and encourage the humane treatment of individuals and whole populations? Yes. Is it time we outgrew it? Yes. Will we outgrow Christianity? Probably. But we have yet to witness the growing pains, flourishing and death of yet another desert religion. After that, there's the Latter Day Saints. Will there eventually be an end to all these inane religions? I'm thinking, probably not.

[hippifried]

Trish.

You just get hotter every day. Thank you for helping me fold back my claws. :ignore::kiss:

"Up on Cripple Creek, she sends me
If I spring a leak, she mends me
I don't have to speak, she defends me
A drunkard's dream if I ever did see one...":Bowdown::dancing:
~Robbie Robertson~

Okay, enough of my lame attempts at flirtation.

What makes Christianity different is deification of the Prophet. Who else has ever done that? Nobody I can think of. That makes it a tad more problematic, in that the claim isn't just that the scripture is inspired by God, but that Jesus is actually God & worshiped as such. This dogma doesn't appear anywhere in the original scripture. It took centuries of multiple Ecumenical Councils & violent persecution of gnostic thought to put it all together in a semi-coherent dogma. It only got more radicalized with the rise of the Protestant cults & the invention of movable type. The deification of Jesus is heavily ingrained in "western culture", & the core of the "superiority" meme. The Roman Empire never really collapsed. The power center just moved around periodically. Christianity was/is just another pacification tool for expanding & containing the empire. "It's the will of God!" Islam is the same monotheist base religion, & they revere Jesus Christ. But since they don't worship him, they're considered heathens. The relationship between Christians & Jews is a lot more complicated, & even more so since WWII & the foundation of modern Israel. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." & vice versa.

Commies aren't just evil. They're "Godless". Same goes for anyone else who doesn't believe. Over a couple of milenia, Christianity turned the tables & replaced crosses & lions with missiles. It's been the biggest turnaround power shift in the history of the world. Good, bad, or indifferent, Jesus Christ is undoubtedly the most influential "persona" in the history of the world. So much so that even whether he was a real person or not is irrelevant. Blind faith in the deification is crumbling as we speak. So are the canonical powers that have risen in the name of Christianity. But this is something that happens over generations, & there's a lot more to go. You certainly can't change minds overnight by edict.

Personally, I have no truck with the Jesus persona, other than the organized deification. Jesus preached the universal moral code. So did Muhammad, Confucius, Gautama Buddha, Dekanawida, Zoroaster, et cetera... I don't have a problem with that at all. I wish more people would pay attention to what they were really saying instead of using the prophets as excuses for their own silliness. This too shall pass. I'm not optimistic that I'll live to see the enlightenment of humanity or anything like that, but I am an optimist. My only faith is in the human ability to eventually see through the lies & bullshit.

[hippifried]

Just thought I'd toss this in.

YouTube- Tom Waits - Chocolate Jesus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wfamPW3Eaw)

In case you don't understand the lyrics:


Don't go to church on Sunday
Don't get on my knees to pray
Don't memorize the books of the Bible
I got my own special way
I know Jesus loves me
Maybe just a little bit more
I fall down on my knees every Sunday
At Zerelda Lee's candy store
Well it's got to be a chocolate Jesus
Make me feel good inside
Got to be a chocolate Jesus
Keep me satisfied
Well I don't want no Abba Zabba
Don't want no Almond Joy
There ain't nothing better
Suitable for this boy
Well it's the only thing
That can pick me up
Better than a cup of gold
See only a chocolate Jesus
Can satisfy my soul
(Solo)
When the weather gets rough
And it's whiskey in the shade
It's best to wrap your savior
Up in cellophane
He flows like the big muddy
But that's ok
Pour him over ice cream
For a nice parfait
Well it's got to be a chocolate Jesus
Good enough for me
Got to be a chocolate Jesus
Good enough for me
Well it's got to be a chocolate Jesus
Make me feel good inside
Got to be a chocolate Jesus
Keep me satisfied


More lyrics: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/t/tom+waits/#share

[Virtualdistance]

We've got troops and bases stationed all around the world.

You just don't get it Trish : THEY got troops not we , it was never us against us its always us against them ...
American people are nice but state USarmy is everything but nice they are just a couple of war criminals following Top DC officials lead...



Will there eventually be an end to all these inane religions? I'm thinking, probably not.

As long as you are willingly governed by these evil imperialists there will be no end to all that misery and profit-wars , and religions are not doing much for the betterment of the TS-rights , but i care...

[Niccolo]

Christianity is the cause of all the war and hate in the world. It's why Fox news exists, why people go hungry, why ww2 happened, why we have teenagers who get killed for having sex, why homosexuals are persecuted,
why so many people get arrested for petty reasons and why rap sucks today. Seriously what hasn't Christianity killed, fucked over or hurt! Not saying there's not a god in some way but that book is pure hate, lies and bigotry. Also I like legos, pokemon and brotha lynch hung and insane clown posse. - btarded raderal


Are you a Muslim?

If you're not, then go ahead and read the Koran. And remember 9/11. It wasn't Christians who hijacked those planes. - Niccolo


Really a bad way of justifying christianity. I don´t think that 9/11 is a measure for everything. Islam is evil. It is an irrational religion, full of ancient myths with their prejudices and absoluteness claims but is christianity any different? No, it´s not! Why aren´t people in the West hijacking planes? Because they live secular. [...] - Coroner

Clearly the original assertion that Christianity is the cause of all the war and hate in the world is false. As I pointed out, that assertion is easily refuted by recalling the events of September 11th, 2001.

If you wish to take that refutation as a "way of justifying Christianity" then please explain what you mean by "justifying". If you mean to say that Christianity is not "the cause of all the war and hate in the world" then we are in agreement. If you mean something else then please explain why you think that whatever it is that you are trying to say has any relevance whatsoever to what I actually said.

Is Islam any different from Christianity? Yes it is! Why are Muslims in the West hijacking planes? I suggest you take my original suggestion on board, and read the Koran.

[Virtualdistance]

Is Islam any different from Christianity? Yes it is! Why are Muslims in the West hijacking planes? I suggest you take my original suggestion on board, and read the Koran.

So what you think is "the Vatican are the good guys" They placed dictator Herman Van Rompoy in EU , makes eu puppet goverment support invasions that are not their business in the first place based on the conspiracy theories your telling me now ..

We all know that american goverment loves to stage false-flag attacks blaiming on countries they wanna occupy...

Stop being a Stateworshipper...

Getting rid of religions and imperials would make way for a better world where TS-babes have better rights =)

[yodajazz]

....
Personally, I have no truck with the Jesus persona, other than the organized deification. Jesus preached the universal moral code. So did Muhammad, Confucius, Gautama Buddha, Dekanawida, Zoroaster, et cetera... I don't have a problem with that at all. I wish more people would pay attention to what they were really saying instead of using the prophets as excuses for their own silliness. This too shall pass. I'm not optimistic that I'll live to see the enlightenment of humanity or anything like that, but I am an optimist. My only faith is in the human ability to eventually see through the lies & bullshit.

I agree with this last quoted paragraph. Religion is a tool, given to people, with the goal of them leading better lives, and helping them to understand larger issues of life and the universe. The issue is that these tools are often used by leadership to manipultate and control people. But with religion. the state will just use other tools, such as controling the flow of information. For example, Hitler used other symbols to create his mythology of a superior German people.

Hippifried is also correct, in that much of Christian doctrine, came after Christ. The Apostle Paul, who never met Jesus, is responsible for a big chnk of the new Testament. And other beliefs were the result of political compromise, such as the Council of Nicea, which produced the Nicean Creed. But this was maybe 400 years after Christ. In my own studies I have found a difference in what Paul taught and what Jesus taught. The most important difference to me, is the debate between the principles of faith vs works (actions). Jesus taught that it was actions, such as his parable of the "Good Samaritan" . Paul was more of the one who emphasized specific beliefs.

I consider myself to be a relgious person, a Christian. But I also respect Islam, and other religious beliefs. The biggest problem to me, is that many people cannot see the difference between a specific situation that was happening at the time, and general principles in their religious texts. In paritcular, Mohammed, had to make some battlefield decisions that were very specific, such as what to do with people from his own army, who were deserting during battle, and how to protect women in conquered territories from his own men. I think there are those Islamic scholars, who dont draw enough distinction between this time frame and the time when he was getting, what I consider to be purer spiritual revelations. And to add to the confusion, someone made the decision to arrange his Suras (chapers of the Koran), from the shortest to the longest. This makes it more difficult for a person to understand, how his focus changed, because of the political circumstances at the time.

The Christianity I believe in, is based more on the principles of living, which is to see yourself as a unique part of the whole, in a universe ruled by Law. But like most all religions, Christianity has lots of 'doctrine'. Where I see people failing, is to not look closer at the principles, on which doctrine is based. When doctrine starts to go agianst its own principle, this is where Hippifried's statement about "lies and bullshit" comes into play. I prefer to used different words, to say the same thing.

[Virtualdistance]

Hitler used other symbols to create his mythology of a superior German people.

Not really Hitlero-fascism just used dead religionous symbols , the german people wernt superiour he just made em suffer under dark goverment , stealing their homes/belongings put em in jail/camp , thats why less people could make it , he made em starve ...
The Imperialist US-Fascist satelite goverment in Bulgaria started doing same thing starving the Bulgarian people (this time without imprisonments) that never happened during socialism...



Hippifried is also correct, in lots of bull ...


Nah he's just stuck in old thinking ...



The Christianity I believe in, is based more on the principles of living, which is to see yourself as a unique part of the whole, in a universe ruled by Law.

It aint really christianity , christianity copied that by successful goverments , hindu,buddha and all the other ones copied same principles its more like "work out society stuff" ...

[trish]

I love Tom Waits. You probably also know this one by Randy Newman:

YouTube- Randy Newman - God's Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEKuGcmW70I)

Cain slew Abel, Seth knew not why
For if the children of Israel were to multiply
Why must any of the children die?
So he asked the Lord
And the Lord said:

Man means nothing, he means less to me
Than the lowliest cactus flower
Or the humblest Yucca tree
He chases round this desert
'Cause he thinks that's where I'll be
That's why I love mankind

I recoil in horror from the foulness of thee
From the squalor and the filth and the misery
How we laugh up here in heaven at the prayers you offer me
That's why I love mankind

The Christians and the Jews were having a jamboree
The Buddhists and the Hindus joined on satellite TV
They picked their four greatest priests
And they began to speak
They said, "Lord, a plague is on the world
Lord, no man is free
The temples that we built to you
Have tumbled into the sea
Lord, if you won't take care of us
Won't you please, please let us be?"
And the Lord said
And the Lord said

I burn down your cities-how blind you must be
I take from you your children and you say how blessed are we
You all must be crazy to put your faith in me
That's why I love mankind
You really need me
That's why I love mankind

[trish]

This just in:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/13/nyregion/13berkowitz.html

[kyoJecours]

religions are just glorified cults it's all bullshit and you're deluded if you truly believe it.

i'm sure that's gonna offend some people but that's my opinion i could be wrong and end up in hell who knows :)

[Virtualdistance]

religions are just glorified cults it's all bullshit and you're deluded if you truly believe it.

i'm sure that's gonna offend some people but that's my opinion i could be wrong and end up in hell who knows :)

U got my 110% support here kid :)