*Obligatory* She don't dig ___________ people post...

[Man Fuck It]

Met this girl from a local website (name withheld), she saw my ad and decided she'd like to get to know me more (this is a TS girl). On the ad I listed everything about me, I was smart, athletic, professional, well educated, down to earth...everything except me being a half breed...well better yet, me being black. She goes on by saying how she really like what she said and asked if I could describe my physical attributes more...so I obliged. Needless to say when I typed well i'm mixed, she says, "mixed with what"...I told her, half dominican half black...she says "ummm sorry, I don't do black guys." :roll: Excuse me???!!! Mr. "Man Fuck THIS bullshit" was about to come out...but I thought about it and decided it wasn't worth it, afterall i'd probably end up aiding whatever fucked up stereotype or preconceived notion she already has about "black" guys. Funniest thing about this story is that you'd expect this girl to be white or asian (as they are mostly the TS women who don't dig bruhs) but this girl was black...lol...bruhs, I hate to say it but we are so far down the shit pole it's not even funny...how did we get stuck with the label of either: broke, illiterate, criminal, or dangerous...these (TS) women for the most part have a mortal fear of us...damn

[GroobySteven]

...how did we get stuck with the label of either: broke, illiterate, criminal, or dangerous...

Unfortuantely, from paying the cable/TV bill and going to the movies for the establishment who portray blacks as that way - as it sells.

seanchai

[TgirlloverinPA]

OK, alot of what you're going is through the media, and sometimes personal experience. Most of us white guys aren't strong enough to overpower a ts, wait, I'm drunk and this isn't the post I wanted to make. I was trying to be funny, didn't work.


Look I'm sorry. Al I can suggest is to be very, well, great withthe girls and do everything you can to break the stereotypes. B/C as a bi-male that wants 3somes with black men, we need to bridge this gap!!!!

[TgirlloverinPA]

OK, now that was funny! Or was it, dum, dum, dum!

[Kiely_Marie]

I dont label blk men like that ... I love em'!

[Man Fuck It]

...how did we get stuck with the label of either: broke, illiterate, criminal, or dangerous...

Unfortuantely, from paying the cable/TV bill and going to the movies for the establishment who portray blacks as that way - as it sells.

seanchai


true

[Man Fuck It]

I dont label blk men like that ... I love em'!



:shock: Sits, stairing at his empty inbox...Man Fuck It needs love too!

[speck]

You are probably not going to like this answer, but it is mostly the truth, and your ability to read axactly what I am saying will speak volumes about who you are.

This goes for both GG providers(streetgirls and low level providers under $300) and ts escorts.

There is the following perceptions amoung providers:

1.) Black men are cheaper than men of other races and will try to bargain, even to the point of agreeing to one price, then bringing less money with them.

2.) Black men are more likely to be rougher during sex, or perhaps even beat and rob the provider.

I don't think the above statements can be disputed. The perception DOES exist, to the point that even black pimps tell their ho's not to see black guys.

Now, the challenge to you, as a black man, is to either counter the above statements, or figure out a way around the perception. I suggest you figure a way around the perception. The best way to do this is meet the girls in person, outside of escorting...maybe a local club or something.

[magicone]

First off a BIG BULLSHIT! to the post above. Like we are all broke and over aggressive. I guess were a bunch of big black cavemen with clubs boppin women on the head draggin'em back to our caves and fucking the shit out of'em while the whites are gentle romeos that take it slow and easy :roll:

The TRUTH is Maybe its creepy for them(black tgirls) to fuck with us because we remind them of when they were just lil gurly boys and we used to beat they ass on the playgrounds and call'em sissies and punks when we were all little bad ass boys. they probably still got those bad memories ya'know? they see us as the old childhood nightmare they are trying to escape.

[RubyTS]

As a tgirl myself, i can undestand where she is coming from. Most girls wont waste their time talking, but i enjoy helping where i can.
In the years that i have been dealing with men, i must admit that although i've had some bad experiences, i thank god that mine dont compete with some stories i've heard. Girls get together sometimes and talk about things they've been through and these stories, BELIEVE ME, are horrible! Some girls get scared off and dont want to take the chance at all of having a bad encounter. They stereotype for their own safety which is totally understandable.
Im honestly surprised that after the things i have been through, i judge only the person! I could easily be racist but i know there are some good black men out there... its just that the majority mess it up for the good guys.
And in my life, every negative encounter involved a black man. I've been raped, had a gun to my head, robbed, chased by a car! I've had some traumatizing memories involving black guys but after dealing with people on a massive level, i've managed to become a pretty good judge of character! Most girls r cold and very business like, but i'm very selective and take my time getting to know the guy before meeting. Most girls wont do that, so they will immediately jump to conclusions.
I suggest that what u do is show a lot of personality with a girl! U have to make her comfortable with the tone of ur voice, without sounding fake, or trying too hard! And its easy to get mad at the girl, but understand where the problem stems from. She's only doing what she thinks is in her best interest. So if you're gonna be mad at anyone... be mad at the guys who r screwing up the rep. of being a black man!

[magicone]

Prostitution/Ass for Cash=Illegal Activity
Illegal Activity=Criminals coming out to play


Man Fuck It said he was on a dating website. Not on the streets lookin for ass or calling eros girls.

And for all you girls being cautious about black men over some stereotypes I hope you dont let your guard down for any race of men because that could be the one that ends your life.

Stereotyping will get you in a world of shit

[mixedprettyboy]

That's why I don't bother with trannies unless they show an interest in me first. Of course I'll only respond IF she's my type.

I realize most trannies I'm attracted to wouldn't even acknowledge me because I'll be the first to admit I'm not into paying and most trannies seem to ONLY be into men who are willing to pay( i.e. white men). Although there's been some who've offered it for free. I've been told by a few black trannies I've spoken to in the past that most tranny escorts prefer white men since they're more willing to pay their bills; how accurate this is I wouldn't know. And I know what you're saying because I'm "black" too and most trannies I'm into don't deal with black men(particularly the asian or latin ladies), but that's just the way it is I guess. But it's totally different with GG's. I don't have the same issues with them, I've been with every race with no problems NOR having to pay.
But I wouldn't worry about it, there are lots of black tranny sistas who appreciate black men.

[Shining Star]

"The Truth Is Rarely Pure and Never Simple"
Oscar Wilde

Keeping the above in mind, besides reasons already given there is another; your average Black or Latino man simply will not put up with much of the "stuff" many providers/girls pull on less suspecting men.

Average brother weather he is seeing a GG or trannie provider will simply not fork over $$$ for a quick 5 seconds and be rushed out of the door. Nor will he put up with "baiting and switching" , really horrible attitude after payment or the rest of what passes for a "session" in many books.

There is also the idea that black and latino men can/may be "well endowed" thus making a session that much more "difficult". In short not only will the girl have to work, she will have to work hard.

In terms of personal realationships, again many (but not all) trannies either like men they can wrap around they're fingers. This makes running games and scams easier. Average man from the "hood" or whatever is long wise to such things from GG's and isn't going to take it from anyone. Hate to make sterotypes, but your average non white guy, upon finding out his trannie gf is stepping out on him, may get up set, but that is nothing like what could and probably will happen when a brother gets the same treatment.

On an other note, think many trannies have come from backgrounds where either they were physically abused, and or they witnesses females they knew being abused. This can have a strong affect on the types of men they "like".

Just to keep the playing field even, many Italian guys have told me they also are rejected for many of the same reasons black and latino men face.

SS

[mixedprettyboy]

Yeah but do they also reject the white boys who front with a black persona too? I mean, they're acting that stereotypical way; talking with slang, dressing in urban clothing, listening to rap music, using the 'n' word.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

I tried to stay out of this topic, I really did, I mean this shit has been discussed a few times since I've been on the board and that's less than a year so far but anyway.....................

there is a common misconception between the African American Male and the Nigger.....................

the reality is that 90% of the African American community males are hard-working, tax-paying, credit card carrying individuals. The other 10% are what every nationality in the world has...............lower class, do anything to get or keep a buck, why should I pay for pleasure, poor trash. The African American poor trash has just been labeled "nigger".

Not wanting to go into a deep history lesson, I'll be brief and get back to the topic at hand by ending what I mentioned above with this thought: Niggers always fuck up situations for Black people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ManFuckIt I just want to say this to you. Fuck that broad.......................seriously. If I had a quarter for every broad that hung up on me based on my nationality back in the day I'd own a few laundromats (good $$$ in NYC, lol). For every woman out there that says some dumb shit like that there are several other women out there begging for your attention. Trust me, my ugly ass is living proof. LOL

This race card shit has always cracked me up. All I hear from some people on & off this board are how such & such and so & so likes big Black cock. And then a post like this comes up and everyone reverts back to the Alex Haley Roots http://www.wissen-erleben.de/roots/shop/buch_roots.jpg "Oh Lawdy Lawdy Massa, yessuh Imma pick that cotton" days.

LMAO

Ladies, those of you that have avoided the race card, I applaud you, more $$$ for you. Tell your ignorant friends out there the next time they speak to a brotha on the phone to treat him like a client, not an ethnicity.........

[BlackAdder]

Black girls ive dated said that the black guys do it to themselves....Its only a stereotype when its true btw...stereotypes dont arise from a vacuum. I used to drive girls for an upscale escorting service bout 2 years ago and Id say 75% of them would refuse to see black clients after being in the biz for awhile. About the same percentage would refuse to see Indians. Why? Because they had problems above the norm with accepting those clients.../shrug. If that girl didnt care to date a particular race, leave it at that and respect her decision. There's plenty of black girls ive interacted with that didnt want to get involved with me because Im white....who gives a fuck lol??? Just a fish in the ocean.

[Perverted Monk]

But it's totally different with GG's. I don't have the same issues with them, I've been with every race with no problems NOR having to pay. But I wouldn't worry about it, there are lots of black tranny sistas who appreciate black men.

Fellas,

This is what I'm talking about.

For that one TG that doesn't want anything to do with you, there are about 5 GG's who would love to fancy themselves a handsome brother. So we have to look at the bright side.
:)

[magicone]

Really who gives a fuck what a whore thinks about us anyway? :roll:

If you have sex with strangers off the street for money, You are a criminal no matter how you try and sugar coat it.

and like I said talk to a person before setting up these "dates" whether they be black white or red always be cautious because what you are doing(crime) brings out low lifes from all walks of life.

[Quinn]

I have mentioned at least once before that I used to do something very similar to what BlackAdder mentioned in his post – though my experience was over 10 years ago and involved more protection than driving. Many of the women I worked with (all were GGs) refused to see African American clients. It is important to note that African American men were by no means alone in this distinction. If you called from Staten Island with a thick Vinny bag-o-donuts accent, then you were out of luck as well. Jewish and Hispanic males were often treated with similar disregard. The more money a girl made, the more caveats there were to her service (no black men, no Jewish men, no short men, no penetration, no sex on Tuesdays, or whatever).

My point is this: with the exception of that special someone you choose to share the rest of your life with, the vast majority of women – no matter how hot – are easily replaceable. I don’t care if you are dealing with an escort, a girlfriend, a TG, or a GG; it’s all the same. If something bothers you, simply move on to someone who gives you less of a problem.

-Quinn

[Thor57]

As A professional Black male, I have encoutered this negative stereotype in some large cities like New York and Chicago. I, have, however, had better experiences in San Fran, DC and Florida. Unfortunately, the perception exists and there is no way to avoid it. Our dealings with ladies, ALL ladies just need to be on point, then this will gradually improve. Also, it is best to meet girls one on one in a neutral place, then your natural charms may win out.


Thor

[AllanahStarrNYC]

I was gonna stay out of this but I am gonna post my two cents.

First magicone- you have some serious issues u need resolved with some good therapy. There are some extremely influential and affluent men who visit escorts. Your generilizations are band, baseless, and contrived with misconceptions.

On a personal level, I have been attracted and have been with all races and types of men.

When I first came to NYC years ago I worked for this "agency" who forbid us to see black clients. The reason being is because the woman who had run the agency had almost been killed years ago by a black client when she was a provider. I supposed she had bad experiences with other black men before and hence everyone suffered in the end. Which is usually what happens when a person is a victim of a violent crime.

Through the years, I have had problems with all races as an escort-
black, spanish, white- well not all- never had an issue with an asian client yet.

These days, as a seasoned provider, I focus more on conversation- details of the conversation, and how a person comes accross. If he does not respond or I find his disposition unagreeable, wether he be black, white, blue, purple- I simply will decline the appointment. Just because someone is an escort does not mean they have to see you- as you have right to choose who you call, in all fairness, they have a right to not see you if they choose.

Now let us remember as well- that some people have personal prefferences. Some guys like asian girls only, or blondes, and some guys like black girls only. The cards go both way.

The point is if someone does not want to see you or is attracted to you- which has happened to us all- just move on.

Yes it sucks for someone to say- well I don't like you because you are (fill in the blank). But we all deal with that on some level.

[tsntx]

here here .. to the last part about to each his own

[mixedprettyboy]

If you have sex with strangers off the street for money, You are a criminal no matter how you try and sugar coat it.



That's funny and true, but some of these escorts have this delusion that they have a college degree in escorting and think there's nothing legally or morally wrong being one.

We all have our opinions, but I personally don't respect escorting (which is just a fancier word for prostitution) whether it's a GG or a TS.
However, I'm not gonna sit here and put anyone on blast because of it.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Another one with mega issues- group therapy for both of u.

[mixedprettyboy]

But why do I need group therapy because I don't agree with escorting?

[AllanahStarrNYC]

darling u have admitted before u have issues with transsexuals and the life.

i'ts not that u agree with escoritng or not.

it's your assumptions of the business and the categorization you seem to place everyone in.

how exactly is what you call a "crime"- a victimless crime at that- where the service provided and paid for could be company or sex- morally reprehensible?

you know what- he who is without sin- throw the first stone-
but u are are on a transsexual oriented website, looking at pornography,
things that a hell of alot of people find objectionable- yet you get to sit on high horse and tell escorts what they are doing is wrong?

my theory is- that you are bitter and damaged about the whole situation.
that your own issues with transsexuals and the sex business
-and that some one, or a few- have burned you along the way - and this rage comes out when it comes to your judgemental posts and moral dictations about the sex business.

you really have no right to judge anyone- as we have no right to judge what you do in life or your proffession.

you know what- if i was deeply affected by the way that i have been treated by many men through out the course of my life- i would be one man hating bitch. but i am a grounded person- and no matter ho wmuch you try to simplify my work or lifestyle you can't. because you really have no clue about it- you only think you do.

[mixedprettyboy]

Escorting aka prostitution can lead to sexual harassment, rape, battering, verbal abuse, domestic violence, and in my opinion it's a racist practice, and a violation of human rights, ect.


I know several GG's who've been raped , experienced physical assault with weapons, and suffered posttraumatic stress disorder which lead to suicide attempts. Maybe it's different for everyone, but I refuse to believe it's a victimless crime.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

hold on a minute-

now u are mixing apples, oranges, bananans, together-

driving a car can lead you to get in aciident and die.
true but not a fact.

your analogy is flawed because those things can happen to anyone
at any time. in this country- a woman is raped every sevent minutes-
i doubt that the majority of those rapes are of, if any, of escorts.

escorting can lead to sexual harrasament- by who? i bet more women are sexually harrassed in corporate america than escorts are.

rape- yes, but anyone can get raped. i was raped as a child- was i an escort at the time? again, the statisitic mention before hand.

verbal abuse- nothing new for me- and i have never been verbally abused by a client.

domestic vioelence-???? i am not sure how much of a percentage of women battered in the world are escorts but i bet the number is minute compared the domestic violence progem in general.

a racist practice- ???? this one is just ridiculous. if anything- escorting is probably one of the most multi cultural business in the world- since anyone can be highly successful at doing it.

a violation of human rights- if you are speaking of human trackificking or people being forced to be prostitutes that is a horrible, horrible thing, but if you are willingly involved in a business that you have made the choice to be in- whose human rights are you violating your own?

i know several people who have been physically assaulted with weapons, been assaulted, committed suicide, have been raped, and they were not escorts.

the crime is vicitimless if you are providing money for a service and the provider is providing the service and there is no harm being done. if someone is getting robbed, murdered, raped- those are crimes.

in countries where escorting or prostituion you call it is legal- there are no higher incidents of those attacks on escorts than in america.

the same arguments you make are some of the same that the anti porn mongers make against pornography-
that is causes violence towards women, and all that crap that has been
disproved over an over again.

you have no real data to back any of your claims-
they all seem to be things that YOU assume happen to everyone in the sex business.

think of the businesses where people randomly meet stangers all day long- and they have no idea who they are or what can happen-
taxi driver, sales clerks, etc.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

editing my response.....................................

not the earlier one, just this one

I just realized that with the exception of Jade I really don't talk to African American women

oh wait the majority of the African American TS' in the tri-state area live in Jersey anyway
and I hate driving to Jersey
LOL

[NiceBod]

It's more than a race issue though, isn't it? It could be the manner of speech that the client uses on the phone. For instance if a black man talks all "street" and sounds like a thug then he'll be turned down. But what if it's a black man that sounds like Bryant Gumbel and one can't tell what race he is by his voice? He may be able to make an appointment and if he acts like a gentleman when he shows up I think the escort would do business with him.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

It's more than a race issue though, isn't it? It could be the manner of speech that the client uses on the phone. For instance if a black man talks all "street" and sounds like a thug then he'll be turned down. But what if it's a black man that sounds like Bryant Gumbel and one can't tell what race he is by his voice? He may be able to make an appointment and if he acts like a gentleman when he shows up I think the escort would do business with him.

see I always get a kick out of statements like this because in this day & age it's gotten harder & harder to differentiate the nationality of an individual based on how they speak on the phone. You have asian, hispanic, and caucasian teens & young adults that given the opportunity to surprise you could sound just like that "stereotypical hood nigga" you just tried to describe as "street"

[magicone]

This is to Allanah. When I say escorts and hookers are criminals its the 100 percent truth and I dont apologise.

But that being said, being a criminal doesnt neccesarily make you a bad person, but every state in this union says hooking/ass for cash
is a crime and no matter how much professional help I get that wont change.

If you practise crime you are a criminal. Bottom Line.

I also said who really cares what a hooker thinks about my race because thats how I feel. People are slinging mud at my people(blacks) from every direction every time I look up so im going to go on defense regardless. Ive never dealt with escorts or hookers so I didnt know this stereotype about blacks existed in this illegal rackett, suffice to say If a criminal is slinging mud Im slinging it back.

And dont compare the Porn (Legal) to the illegal across the spectrum trade of prostitution.

[NiceBod]

It's more than a race issue though, isn't it? It could be the manner of speech that the client uses on the phone. For instance if a black man talks all "street" and sounds like a thug then he'll be turned down. But what if it's a black man that sounds like Bryant Gumbel and one can't tell what race he is by his voice? He may be able to make an appointment and if he acts like a gentleman when he shows up I think the escort would do business with him.

see I always get a kick out of statements like this because in this day & age it's gotten harder & harder to differentiate the nationality of an individual based on how they speak on the phone. You have asian, hispanic, and caucasian teens & young adults that given the opportunity to surprise you could sound just like that "stereotypical hood nigga" you just tried to describe as "street"

Yea, so what's your point? I know that people of all races can talk "street." Good for them...and as long as they sound like that, they're gonna keep getting turned down by escorts. The point I was trying to make is that not everyone gets turned down for being black. They actually get turned down for sounding like thugs. It's the thug-type that is expected to be a trouble-maker....and for good reason. I'm black myself and I hate those fuckers.

[magicone]

It's more than a race issue though, isn't it? It could be the manner of speech that the client uses on the phone. For instance if a black man talks all "street" and sounds like a thug then he'll be turned down. But what if it's a black man that sounds like Bryant Gumbel and one can't tell what race he is by his voice? He may be able to make an appointment and if he acts like a gentleman when he shows up I think the escort would do business with him.

see I always get a kick out of statements like this because in this day & age it's gotten harder & harder to differentiate the nationality of an individual based on how they speak on the phone. You have asian, hispanic, and caucasian teens & young adults that given the opportunity to surprise you could sound just like that "stereotypical hood nigga" you just tried to describe as "street"

Yea, so what's your point? I know that people of all races can talk "street." Good for them...and as long as they sound like that, they're gonna keep getting turned down by escorts. The point I was trying to make is that not everyone gets turned down for being black. They actually get turned down for sounding like thugs. It's the thug-type that is expected to be a trouble-maker....and for good reason. I'm black myself and I hate those fuckers.Fuck that! Why should anybody have to change the way they talk?! If a stupid bitch doesnt like it move on.

Being a person that will NEVER pay for ass I recommend the rest of you brothas do the same. I see now that it's clear that were on the Hooker shit list(like i give a fuck)so let'em be. Dont kiss anybodies ass be they man woman or transexual.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Yea, so what's your point? I know that people of all races can talk "street." Good for them...and as long as they sound like that, they're gonna keep getting turned down by escorts. The point I was trying to make is that not everyone gets turned down for being black. They actually get turned down for sounding like thugs. It's the thug-type that is expected to be a trouble-maker....and for good reason. I'm black myself and I hate those fuckers.

The joke in this is that 50% of the broads you see guys brag & boast about at the parties or on this message board are TURNED on by that thug stereotype dude. You & I both know they are portraying a fake image to get some pussy; problem is that shit works.................I cant begin to count how many of the so-called elite broads on I've heard about LOVE the thugs, but they end up being the posers with a boxcutter in their left back pocket, not a gun, not a knife, not a heart.....................

So while we both agree to dislike these individuals they aren't the ones getting shot down for pussy, they are in all actuality the ones getting the phone calls do dig some backs out after the last client leaves.......... weird but true

Interestingly enough they are also the dudes getting $$$ from some of the broads out there on GP, when I found out about that I almost lost my mind...................

The guys that cause the problems aren't the thug posers, they are bottom line "niggers" let me explain my definition in regards to this thread.........
Phone call at 4am: Hi, you up? Oh yeah? Can I come over? Oh I don't have alot of money mami but I'm packin, yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I got a big dick? I can come over? ok cool

then they get to the apartment and say & do 1 of 2 things:
thing 1: mami I'm sorry I don't have the money, can I stay?
thing 2: fake cell phone ring............oh shit mami thats my job I gotta go

the real creative muhfuckas out there will have a fake badge and pretend to warn the girl against stalkers for some free pussy................

it's not just the African American race which is my major gripe.......... we get alot of the blame for this bullshit but if some of you were to log on to Craigs List right now for the past few days the girls have been warning each other about an Indian scammer & a Caucasian scammer............

[Perverted Monk]

^^^Real Talk

[Quinn]

Fuck that! Why should anybody have to change the way they talk?! If a stupid bitch doesnt like it move on.


What complete nonsense... The way you talk matters in society, particularly if you want to succeed. If I talked the way I did in my early twenties, I wouldn't have a single serious client for my investment company. Seriously, I don't care if you have a degree from Harvard with a perfect GPA; if you don't talk right – no matter what your race – you will not get the job, the client, the account, or anything of value in corporate America today. How you talk to powerful people matters. That's the way it is. Learn to deal with it.

-Quinn

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Not for nothing, and this is not a quick plug (lol) but 95% of the brothas that attend the parties are casual dress shirt, jeans, loafers kind of guys, that buy drinks, speak in full sentences and have a good time. As stated earlier and in relation to what I just typed, the 5% of these fake thugs based on their attire come in with OR get swooped up by a broad you'd least expect to even be interested....

[Perverted Monk]

Not for nothing, and this is not a quick plug (lol) but 95% of the brothas that attend the parties are casual dress shirt, jeans, loafers kind of guys, that buy drinks, speak in full sentences and have a good time

But still, there just another n....

oh nevermind :)

[Man Fuck It]

Not for nothing, and this is not a quick plug (lol) but 95% of the brothas that attend the parties are casual dress shirt, jeans, loafers kind of guys, that buy drinks, speak in full sentences and have a good time. As stated earlier and in relation to what I just typed, the 5% of these fake thugs based on their attire come in with OR get swooped up by a broad you'd least expect to even be interested....

Takes notes...Wear thug apparel to Allanah's Halloween Bash...check

[NiceBod]

The guys that cause the problems aren't the thug posers, they are bottom line "niggers" let me explain my definition in regards to this thread.........


I suddenly like you. I love it when black people like you, me, and Chris Rock say they don't like "niggers."

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Magic-

No one is asking you to apologize- I am pointing out the information you are spewing out is mostly, negative, incorrect, and probably affected by some sort of experience or bitternes towards your attraction to ts women.

Just like Mixed- who has often "interent raged" on here- you display typical characteristics of a guy who has issues with this type of attraction.

The fact that you look down upon a sex worker or a man who pays for sex-clearly dispplays some sort of insecurity. People don't look down on other people if it does not make them feel better or superior in some way.

Let me clear a few things up for you- Escorting is 100 percent legal in any state in the USA-in fact in most cities you must obtain a liscene in order to work as an escort or run an escort agency. What is illegal in most of the country is solicitation and prostitution. Another incorrect comment you made, was that every state in the union that is illegal. Not so- in Nevada there are certain counties where working as a prostitute and running a brothel are completely legal.

In fact in most countries in the world, prostitution is legal and and in many so are borthels. If sex workers were decriminilazied in this country-
and liscensing was required- the goverment would make a hell of alot of tax money and spend a hell of a lot less prosecuting prostitutes when there are clearly so many, mnay other importan issues to count for.

And you know what- that "fuck that, bitch this, ho that," crap comes accross really ignorant, abrasive, and stupid no matter what race you are.
I would never, ever, ever go out with any man- who approached me with any of that mess. Whatever race he was.

It almost seems to me like alot of black youth these days feel like they have to behave in a stereotypical way of the counter culture today. When you look at old movies and how they portrayed black people- I think essentially the same thing is happening today. Alot of black people. it seems like, feel like to they have to fit into these stereotypes in order to fit in.

[innavoice]

BUt MOSTLY it's about the girls preference.....alotta these girls want a VERY aggressive man...The sterotype calls for this to be typical of the thug/roughneck/etc....and if you could have ur cake and eat it too...why wouldn't you?

Now while it may be desirable socially most of the girls seem to have have been burned at one time or another in professional settings....and no longer seek to merge the two settings....

Either way....i see it as par for the course....i guess the lifestyle/line of work has it's quirks/idiosyncrasies/pitfalls THIS being one of them....as a black male i would'nt say it's fair....but it's understandable.

*As for the parties*

As an occasional patron.....i've seen the girls fall for the thugilism but then again.....i think ALOT of it comes down to basic looks...

FOlk tend to get caught up in excuses and conspiracy theories as if.....it's a substitute for the girls eyes....The same thing will catch their eye in the club OR on the street.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

that does hold some truths- there are a lot of

'thug" looking guys whom i have found very attractive
but i would not date them.

[innavoice]

I can imagine if i were a provider i'd fall for the same temptation clientwise as well.....

i'd EITHER constantly seek to combine business w/pleasure and try the "younger/perhaps more attractive and therefore less likely to reconcile the fact that they're STILL the typical date" women.

OR

I'd retreat into the business and date from behind the screen.......and set my security settings to the contemporary stereotype......and save myself from my own high-risk tastes.

***as far as hating Ni**as***

I really should have left this alone as it's worthy of it's own lengthy and longwinded post,but........

It speaks more to a mentality and the usage of the word itself signifies how much energy we've invested in continuing to validate the behavior(s) as somehow mutually exclusive to blacks.

Not that this was the intent of the statement but......it becomes irrelevant.

[Vicki Richter]

I can't speak to the hooking angle so I defer to others but here is a picture of me to denote my thoughts on the matter.

Ebony and ivory... can share all they want.

[innavoice]

ok so....Vicki what ur saying is that while you enjoy the support of black men in general and they seem to be really digging you....

you STILL treat them like an ass.

[Man Fuck It]

It almost seems to me like alot of black youth these days feel like they have to behave in a stereotypical way of the counter culture today. When you look at old movies and how they portrayed black people- I think essentially the same thing is happening today. Alot of black people. it seems like, feel like to they have to fit into these stereotypes in order to fit in.


I think I know what you were trying to say...but this wasn't put in the best text. May want to clean that up a little 'Lanah...alot is akin to bad generalization...let's not defend one flower by cutting down another... :wink:

[AllanahStarrNYC]

It was not meant to be negative-

There are those in the black community who feel this way as well.
In fact, I recall a poster here once- posting a school of thought from a black author comparing rap and that culture today to minstrel shows, etc.

I am not saying I agree with that. I am a fan of rap music- and have dated, slept with, are friends with black men.

But I feel that alot of young people are getting the wrong idea- especially about speaking properly. Slang is great- but I don't trey to communicate with everyone in the slang that we NYC transsexuals use- especially not with a guy.

I just have not gone out with any "thugs" or whatever u want to call it.
-of any race.

[Man Fuck It]

I couldn't have said it better myself.

If I may add on though, I think it's like that with many cultures or groups. I know, that a lot of the girls seems to fit certain stereotypes within "our" community.

*I don't mean the escorting either for anyone who thought that.*


...none of us can afford to throw stones. You basically hit the nail on the head.

I understand that people have preferences, i'd be naive in thinking anything differently. However, to perpetuate and habitually feed negative and deragatory stereotypes that further divide us as human beings seems a bit idiotic in my humble opinion. Judge people on an individual basis. Reading your comment about "black men" having done this that and the third to you, sister, I understand where you are coming from. But if we were to analyze it a bit more we'd see that we can't judge all by the misdeeds of one...afterall you were at one point considered a "black male"...and you turned out fine, haven't robbed anyone, seems intelligent, has a good head on your shoulder...

[AllanahStarrNYC]

try being a tranny

u get the same stuff too babe-

we dont have it any easier-

probably less

[Man Fuck It]

It was not meant to be negative-

There are those in the black community who feel this way as well.
In fact, I recall a poster here once- posting a school of thought from a black author comparing rap and that culture today to minstrel shows, etc.

I am not saying I agree with that. I am a fan of rap music- and have dated, slept with, are friends with black men.

But I feel that alot of young people are getting the wrong idea- especially about speaking properly. Slang is great- but I don't trey to communicate with everyone in the slang that we NYC transsexuals use- especially not with a guy.

I just have not gone out with any "thugs" or whatever u want to call it.
-of any race.


Point taken love, I understood what you were trying to say. I will just say that in this age of MTV, BET, and pop culture...black youth are not the only perpetrators of said mannerisms. I've been to Japan, Dominican Republic, Ghana, etc...and they all want to be like Tupac or Biggie.

Rap is not the enemy. I love rap, grew up on it, lived it and subsequently made a living off of it. I grew up in "the hood". I have tattood dead loved ones on my body. I "had" dreadlocks. I work baggy clothes...but I also grew. I went to school. I got a job. I transformed...much like you are not the same person today you were 10 years ago...This generation is not lost, it is only lost when we (the elders) give up on them...

[Man Fuck It]

try being a tranny

u get the same stuff too babe-

we dont have it any easier-

probably less


You're probably right Allanah, but i'd be a fool to say i've walked a mile in your shoes, so I wouldn't pretend to know you well enough to judge you or what you've been through. I only know you through your post and the little bit of pictures i've seen of you...an intelligent, thoughtful, and very determined Cuban-American...I have a saying that I live by, "That which does not kill you only makes you stronger." Correct me if i'm wrong, but there's a part of me that believes you feel the same...you are a sucess because YOU wanted to be a sucess and you wouldn't settle for less, irregardless of what anyone else said, did, or thought about, of, or to you...

Having said that...when am I going to get the invite to Manhattan for a night on the town with Ms. A?...lol :lol:

[magicone]

I never said escorting was illegal just prostitution. If you go back and look at every post I made in this thread refering to Prostitutes I never made a distinction between TGs or GGs. So these hangups you assume I have with transexuals is false. I have a problem with prostitutes who are working in a dirty business judging all black men by the ones they meet creeping and trying to get in their pants for pay.

If thats not you then you shouldnt take offense and Im sorry if you do.

And to the others yeah common sense tells you you have to speak differently in different environments but why should you have to change the way you talk to hook up with someone doing somting illegal like prostitution?

[AllanahStarrNYC]

:roll:

[magicone]

I love you too.

[brickcitybrother]

Why am I treading on this issue? Well I think we're confronting a couple of issues - that I will try to string together:

Prejudice - I think the girl in the original post is simply demostrating prejudice. I won't mention names, but I see other posters have painted a very bleak picture with very broad brushes - saying that all their bad experiences have been with black men. I find that very hard to believe - perhaps all the bad experiences they care to focus on has been with black men. Of course, I could be wrong on one level. I mean, all of the bad experiences I have had in relationships have been with women. Of course I only date women. Perhaps - using that poster's logic - I should stop seeing women. lol :lol: Of course - I think that was their solution to their problem as well. Anyway, prejudice is wrong. I've been on the receiving end of it - I know. I think this discussion of 'black men' being more problematic is not accurate. Rather I think that folks are simply choosing to remember the bad experiences that they have had with black men. It would be the same for a black man to remember more vividly the white man who called him a nigga ... then the black man that did.

Preference - I will not require people to break their preferences. But preferences are not based on fear, suspicions, negatively, etc. etc. Rather, preferences are based on positives and desires. I prefer women with curves. Not because I have had bad experiences with other women - it is because I enjoy curvy women. Well I love curvy women, but let me not digress. If I were to contact a provider and she states that I don't meet her preference ... I am not bothered by that. Her preference may be asain guys. Hell her perference may be to be a top - I am not a bottom or versatile - I don't meet her preferences. Conversely, a provider who says she doesn't meet black men cause she doesn't want problems - that's not about preferences. That bothers me - but I am happy to not meet that person as they have a closed and limited mind.

I think when faced with that - chalk it up to limited thinking on the other person's part. It reminds me to the 'All in the Family' episode when Archie wasn't sure if he wanted his life saved - if he had to get a transfusion from a black person to do it. Its the same here, those that are discriminating clearly do not have either the intelligence or the wherewithal to find a way to weed out bad apples.

Hmmmm I wonder what would happen if every man who had a bad experience with a TS provider simply said 'Nope - All will never deal with a TS provider again. They are all ignorant, lazy and dangerous. Perhaps then we wouldn't have to worry about discriminating providers at all - they'd all be out of business. But who would not that to happen.

~Brickcitybrother~
"Wisdom is what's left after we've run out of personal opinions."

[magicone]

I need to leave this alone lol

This is to address the grief you are given by black men in public. In a way I think alot of us still have that old south mentality. Take a white through the white parts of Alabama and I bet you'll find the whites will treat you the same if not worse than the black dudes do to you now. Our roots are in the south so some of the redicule and descrimination you feel may be because of that past.

Its a cultural thing not a race thing.

[Kramer]

Unfortuantely, from paying the cable/TV bill and going to the movies for the establishment who portray blacks as that way - as it sells.

seanchai



C'MON, ya gotta be kiddin me!!! :shock:

What color is the sky in your world, seanchai???? :?

[TomSelis]

I need to weigh in on this. It's really sad that some girls think that because some black guys burned them or gave them a "hard" time that suddenly "all" black guys have to prove something. For every guy that does something fucked up there's ten other black guys out there doing right by girls.

It's been said before and it bears repeating: If a girl doesn't want you, no matter what the reason there's ten more that will. It's really that simple. I'm sure there's girls out there that DON'T like black guys and will still take their money.

For all you non-black guys: Its easy to write this off, but until it happens to you, you don't know what it feels like. It's like a slap in the face. Especially when you know you're a hard working, (mostly) decent man who handles business (in life) and you get rejected.

For all you girls that have your "reasons": That's cool and all. I understand you want to be safe, but you're not in the safest profession in the world to begin with. I'm not trying to change minds here, just offer some food for thought. I'm not knocking what you do either. Just know that black/latin men have just as much love as white/asian men.

Another thing: I'm getting tired of reading this crap about men on here being disrespectful. If anything, I see more guys being kiss-ass than kick-ass on here. Where is this going on? Are the mods deleting threads bashing women? Guys post pics with girls with dicks, sometimes too much, but that's what they like. How is that disrespectful? I could get into some things I've seen elsewhere that I'm sure guys would think was disrespectful too. Ahhh, forget it.

To make a long story short. If a girl doesn't like you because you're a black man, the way you talk (lets not go there) or dress...fuck em. Find a girl that will. Pick your face up and find another good looking girl, that's it.

[magicone]

I need to weigh in on this. It's really sad that some girls think that because some black guys burned them or gave them a "hard" time that suddenly "all" black guys have to prove something. For every guy that does something fucked up there's ten other black guys out there doing right by girls.

It's been said before and it bears repeating: If a girl doesn't want you, no matter what the reason there's ten more that will. It's really that simple. I'm sure there's girls out there that DON'T like black guys and will still take their money.

For all you non-black guys: Its easy to write this off, but until it happens to you, you don't know what it feels like. It's like a slap in the face. Especially when you know you're a hard working, (mostly) decent man who handles business (in life) and you get rejected.

For all you girls that have your "reasons": That's cool and all. I understand you want to be safe, but you're not in the safest profession in the world to begin with. I'm not trying to change minds here, just offer some food for thought. I'm not knocking what you do either. Just know that black/latin men have just as much love as white/asian men.

Another thing: I'm getting tired of reading this crap about men on here being disrespectful. If anything, I see more guys being kiss-ass than kick-ass on here. Where is this going on? Are the mods deleting threads bashing women? Guys post pics with girls with dicks, sometimes too much, but that's what they like. How is that disrespectful? I could get into some things I've seen elsewhere that I'm sure guys would think was disrespectful too. Ahhh, forget it.

To make a long story short. If a girl doesn't like you because you're a black man, the way you talk (lets not go there) or dress...fuck em. Find a girl that will. Pick your face up and find another good looking girl, that's it.^^^^ Everything I said In a easy to swallow gel-cap form. 8)

[mixedprettyboy]

It's more than a race issue though, isn't it? It could be the manner of speech that the client uses on the phone. For instance if a black man talks all "street" and sounds like a thug then he'll be turned down. But what if it's a black man that sounds like Bryant Gumbel and one can't tell what race he is by his voice? He may be able to make an appointment and if he acts like a gentleman when he shows up I think the escort would do business with him.

Well since most white men are never rejected when it comes to who an escort will see, what if the white boy is one who talks with slang? Cuz you know there's a whole lotta white folk who front with the slang and think they're black now a days, shit, I even have a few in my family. But do these men get rejected too because they assume it's a black guy or do they overlook it because it's a white guy?

[Vicki Richter]

ok so....Vicki what ur saying is that while you enjoy the support of black men in general and they seem to be really digging you....

you STILL treat them like an ass.

LOL. No. But that is cute though. I'm an equal opportunity dater.

[Vicki Richter]

It's more than a race issue though, isn't it? It could be the manner of speech that the client uses on the phone. For instance if a black man talks all "street" and sounds like a thug then he'll be turned down. But what if it's a black man that sounds like Bryant Gumbel and one can't tell what race he is by his voice? He may be able to make an appointment and if he acts like a gentleman when he shows up I think the escort would do business with him.

Well since most white men are never rejected when it comes to who an escort will see, what if the white boy is one who talks with slang? Cuz you know there's a whole lotta white folk who front with the slang and think they're black now a days, shit, I even have a few in my family. But do these men get rejected too because they assume it's a black guy or do they overlook it because it's a white guy?

I saw a good friend of mine walk out a white guy for no apparent reason other than he asked a question wrong and she got a bad vibe.

[BlackAdder]

Mixed...they get rejected if they sound like a loser/thug/asshole on the screening call...

When we got those calls, we had separate lists of which girls of who would see which type of customer.....Does anyone think a cultured white interior designer by day is going to take a thug call??? Pshhh.... Those calls got shuffled to the girls we liked to call "hungry" meaning they would take that kind of person and some took any call, no matter how freaky.....

I can say that after working for the agency for a month, that *I* would only agree to drive to certain calls as well....As a small white boy I certainly wasnt going to be parking my sweet ride for an hour in certain parts of Philly and Jersey......You can call it stereotyping, prejudice or whatever you feel like tagging it.....The girls and I called it keeping out of trouble.

[brickcitybrother]

To Brickcitybrother,

What you said holds much truth, but there is always an exception to everything. In the case of all negative issues being with black men...I hold strongly to that. I have never in my life dated or had any sexual interactions with men period.

I think you made my point ... thanks

[brickcitybrother]

I don't think I made your point at all. I'm just stating everything from my point of view. If you are going to quote me, quote everything I said. Just because I have had no sexual interactions with men, it doesn't make my issues any more or less serious. Just like men have their issues and complaints with girls on here, we are entitled to our opinions. If I choose not to be bothered with black men or men in general, I have that right and it only came from bad experience.

I stand by my last statement. But will quote you as a courtesy under the doctrine of completeness.

[brickcitybrother]

Having traveled extensively, I have come to learn many things. One is to listen carefully (and not simply wait my turn to talk - which is what I think many people do). Another, is to hear what people have to say about where they are from or lived for a time or visited. I find that there are a group of people who will say that the went to or lived at a certain place and that EVERYBODY from there is mean or cold or nasty (just negative upon negative). These individuals I find, are not so much accurate in their assessment of others as they are in revealing some aspect of themselves and their own personality.

This is all to say - is the problem them or you?

[MacShreach]

I never said escorting was illegal just prostitution.

It doesn't matter whether it's prostitution, working in a massage parlour or escorting. It's providing sexual services for money. People have the right to do what they want with their own bodies and providing sexual sevices is included. States that make this "illegal" are just being ridiculous. And before anybody starts I regularly use a range of providers, and most of them, when we were finished, kissed me and said "come back soon." I've never welched a girl and I regularly tip for a good job well done. Just so you know where I'm coming from.

What's the issue with paying? As long as the price is right and the service is good, what's the beef? Guys, you think it reflects badly on your manhood? Or are you just too cheap? Or do you think that sex is a right? I don't NEED to pay. I'm a good-looking, successful, white guy and I get plenty of great sex right here. I choose to pay because I really like women and life's too short to not fuck about. A business relationship is neat, tidy, and satisfies both sides, and BTW you can be friends with a girl too, so long as you treat her nicely. And if you really, really can't afford it, don't piss the girls around-- go to night-school instead and study so you can get a decent job so you CAN afford it. Grow up and deal with it.

Tsntx has been so kind as to detail some of the cost of her surgical work (I'm not suggesting she's escorting or anything "illegal", BTW, I'm just using the example.) It's tens of thousands of dollars. (And the result, darling, is delicious.) I've seen estimates of $50,000 and up. Where the fuck is this money supposed to come from? Which is better, a girl charges to give men what they want or she holds up banks?

Porn is a commodity. You buy and sell it. You talk about whether a porn movie turns you on or not. But the actors and actresses are PEOPLE, and if you read this board you'll see they are often smart, articulate people. Sexual services bought for cash are also a commodity. BUT the GIRL is NOT a fucking commodity, she is a person and has the absolute right to be treated with respect and courtesy, and not threatened, welched, intimidated, beaten or robbed, just because she happens to be selling a service that some bigoted law-makers have called "illegal."

Girls in places where the government decides to make "prostitution" a crime are often _forced_ to work the street, because their homes could be at risk if they work from home. These girls are in real danger and you can't blame them for being cautious. And the very last thing they need is holier-than-thou lawmakers just trying to make their lives even shittier, because it says in some old book somewhere that sex is wrong. If society doesn't like areas with lots of "low-level providers" hanging about, the answer is simple-- open up the free market and stop harassing them.

Someone else said that they thought TG girls would not go with brothers because they remember being beaten up by them at school for being different. Sorry, guys, but if you think that it's all right to beat people up cause they're different, or for your kids to beat other kids up cause they're different, then you can't complain if later your victims won't have anything to do with you. The only way to break the circle of violence is to break the circle of violence, and that has to start with the ones dishing it out. And whatever our race, everyone knows that we men are the ones handing out the violence. We men have to stop. NOW. That simple. You simply cannot expect a vulnerable girl, whether TG or GG, to put herself at risk as long as men refuse to do something about it.



R

[Man Fuck It]

The problem is obviously them. I don't speak to men or give them as much as a passing glance to acknowledge that they exist on the streets. Black men from what I have found in my experience just can't keep their mouths shut. Always have to insert something even when it's completely unnecessary. Sometimes they can be worse than women. When you don't pay them attention, they they start PMSing. If I'm walking down the street I shouldn't have the here random things like "Yo, that's a dude" while I'm with my Mother, girlfriend or by myself. Black men have always been the ones to do this. No matter how perfect a girl is, there was a time when she was clockable. Even if that is the case, it still shouldn't be the BLACK point of interest to point this out to the world.


Don't take this the wrong way, but I think you have more deep underlying issues at hand. Let's not make black men out to be the poster men for unequal and cruel treatment toward ts...I mean that's a heavy generalization. Maybe you need to change the circle you hang out with or the location in which you live if it's really that bad.

[Adam_Thompson]

No, nothing more to it than what I said. That's just how I feel. Out of everyone I have come in contact with, black men cause me the most grief. It's not really the circles I hang in because I only associate myself with women. I might be willing to agree with you on location though. Philadelphia in my opinion is one of the worst places to live if you have anything "different" about you. This city is such trash...maybe that's the problem but I seriously doubt men are that much different in other cities

I know alot of black dudes that do shit like that. Most are shocked and sometimes can be loud. White dudes probably want to say it but are more timid to shout shit like that in a crowd. But like someone said earlier...take yourself to the South in some rural ass areas, hell even in the Midwest and I can GUARANTEE white people will be just as bad if not worse. When I go through Indiana I get stared at for being black. Imagine what those good ole boys in pickup trucks would say or do to you. I'm sure it will be much more "devastating" than some brother putting you out there.