"Tranny Cock"

[Solitary Brother]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrFvE3JtBYU

This video is quite interesting.
This transexual says she wants her cocked sucked and that she likes men,women and gay guys.
Question:Do you girls out there have this urge?

Clarification:This is different from girls wanting to bend guys over and play the man role which is a fool to me.

This girl is not the most beautiful and does not have the best body.
However she is way above average in looks and has a nice slim figure on her with a nice waifish shape.
But what I really like about her is her confidence.
What do you all say about this?
Some trannies DONT want the operation and are content with their sex organs AND using them(This is most of you girls although you wont admit it)
Where do you girls draw the line?
Is nutting in your lovers mouth on occasion ok or is it a fool?
Do you respect guys who recieve dick in any way?
What do you all think of the girl in this video....she is kinda hot to me.

[phobun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrFvE3JtBYU

This video is quite interesting.
This transexual says she wants her cocked sucked and that she likes men,women and gay guys.
Question:Do you girls out there have this urge?

Clarification:This is different from girls wanting to bend guys over and play the man role which is a fool to me.

This girl is not the most beautiful and does not have the best body.
However she is way above average in looks and has a nice slim figure on her with a nice waifish shape.
But what I really like about her is her confidence.
What do you all say about this?
Some trannies DONT want the operation and are content with their sex organs AND using them(This is most of you girls although you wont admit it)
Where do you girls draw the line?
Is nutting in your lovers mouth on occasion ok or is it a fool?
Do you respect guys who recieve dick in any way?
What do you all think of the girl in this video....she is kinda hot to me.

It is unlikely that this person is true transsexual.
Harry Benjamin was correct in The Transsexual Phenomenon when he wrote:
"True transsexuals feel that they belong to the other sex, they want to be and function as members of the opposite sex, not only to appear as such. For them, their sex organs, the primary (testes) as well as the secondary (penis and others) are disgusting deformities that must be changed by the surgeon's knife."

[Legend]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrFvE3JtBYU

This video is quite interesting.
This transexual says she wants her cocked sucked and that she likes men,women and gay guys.
Question:Do you girls out there have this urge?

Clarification:This is different from girls wanting to bend guys over and play the man role which is a fool to me.

This girl is not the most beautiful and does not have the best body.
However she is way above average in looks and has a nice slim figure on her with a nice waifish shape.
But what I really like about her is her confidence.
What do you all say about this?
Some trannies DONT want the operation and are content with their sex organs AND using them(This is most of you girls although you wont admit it)
Where do you girls draw the line?
Is nutting in your lovers mouth on occasion ok or is it a fool?
Do you respect guys who recieve dick in any way?
What do you all think of the girl in this video....she is kinda hot to me.


"This girl is not the most beautiful and does not have the best body."

There you go again hating on another transsexual.Dude you really need to stop trying to analyze other girls and worry about yourself, why does it seem like you always ask questions from a transsexual perspective, oh yeah thats right you're too fat and ugly to transition so you hate on girls like the one you're trying to analyze or in your native language "read".

[Tika]

I'm pretty sure an old white guy has no clue about what a transsexual woman feels/wants. Harry Benjamin's antiquated bullshit ideas have done far more harm than good for TS women, I think. He can get bent.

[daleach]

I think she is cute. I love the little dance it was hot. I was expecting to hear her talk more, its an odd video IMO.

[hippifried]

I don't think I've ever met anyone with a dick who didn't enjoy a good blowjob. I don't think looks, style, orientation, hormones, or future plans have anything to do with it.

I won't be so presumptuous as to analyze transexuals as a unit.

[daleach]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrFvE3JtBYU

This video is quite interesting.
This transexual says she wants her cocked sucked and that she likes men,women and gay guys.
Question:Do you girls out there have this urge?

Clarification:This is different from girls wanting to bend guys over and play the man role which is a fool to me.

This girl is not the most beautiful and does not have the best body.
However she is way above average in looks and has a nice slim figure on her with a nice waifish shape.
But what I really like about her is her confidence.
What do you all say about this?
Some trannies DONT want the operation and are content with their sex organs AND using them(This is most of you girls although you wont admit it)
Where do you girls draw the line?
Is nutting in your lovers mouth on occasion ok or is it a fool?
Do you respect guys who recieve dick in any way?
What do you all think of the girl in this video....she is kinda hot to me.


I find her interesting. I want to know more about her now.
I subscribed to her Youtube page but still can't view her other videos :(

I understand your curiosity, I too wonder about the the thoughts and lives of TSs. Some threads touch on their inner lives, those are some of my favorite. Sexxy Jade had a very poignant one last summer.

[MacShreach]

I'm pretty sure an old white guy has no clue about what a transsexual woman feels/wants. Harry Benjamin's antiquated bullshit ideas have done far more harm than good for TS women, I think. He can get bent.



Benjamin's work was the first serious, wide-ranging scientific study of transsexualism and his guidelines remain the foundation for the treatment of transsexual women, moron.

And what would his being white have to do with his understanding of transsexualism anyway?

Ah, I see. You're not just a moron, you're a racist moron.

Now fuck off back under your bridge.

[B_Neg]

why is it that instead of asking people why their views are the way they are, or finding a way of helping that person understand a broader, more informed standpoint, the general population here merely resorts to pouring out insults and furthering the ignorance. for people that bitch and moan that people are too closedminded, and uninformed, you don't go very far to correct it, or at least help the situation... get real, and stop the hypocracy. sorry for the rant, but it's getting to be a broken record... i've said it before, drop the labels, stop trying to assume whats in everyone elses heads, and just enjoy that which you enjoy, and ignore those that enjoy something else and let them go their merry way..........

[MacShreach]

why is it that instead of asking people why their views are the way they are, or finding a way of helping that person understand a broader, more informed standpoint, the general population here merely resorts to pouring out insults and furthering the ignorance. for people that bitch and moan that people are too closedminded, and uninformed, you don't go very far to correct it, or at least help the situation... get real, and stop the hypocracy. sorry for the rant, but it's getting to be a broken record... i've said it before, drop the labels, stop trying to assume whats in everyone elses heads, and just enjoy that which you enjoy, and ignore those that enjoy something else and let them go their merry way..........

Why don't you just stay out of the threads you don't like? Hell I open threads all the time I can't shut quick enough, never mind comment on.

Sorry if it offends your labelphobia, but this is a legit thread. A significant number of transsexual women report exactly what Phobun quoted Benjamin as saying, and if you think about it, severe discomfort with the presence of a penis is pretty much a prerequisite for undergoing GRS, so a person who claims to be a transsexual woman AND to enjoy using her penis in a male fashion is a conundrum.

So you just let other people go on their merry way, blue, 'cus I'll tell you, HA has been the way it is since a long time before you showed up.

FWIW I agree with Phobun-- the person may be highly feminine and regard her gender as female but not really be a true transsexual as it is normally understood; this is not a criticism or a put-down, it's just that there is a difference between "transgender" and "transsexual." There are really very few transsexuals even when compared to the relatively small absolute numbers of transgenders.

Benjamin's observation

"True transsexuals feel that they belong to the other sex, they want to be and function as members of the opposite sex, not only to appear as such," and his observation that the only successful treatment for these individuals is GRS, is as true today as it was 40 years ago. This again, is not a put-down, but the simple fact is that in most cases true transsexuals absolutely do need surgical correction of their physical sex, and usually the sooner the better, whereas many transgender women do not, and can have a full and satisfying sex life with their male organs; many can flip sexual roles comfortably, though a great number cannot. Transsexual women (or "true transsexuals" if you prefer) frequently report such discomfort with their male organs that they can't bear them even being touched, never mind sucked or used to penetrate.

As I keep saying, this is not an issue of "points on a scale" or god forbid a pecking order of transsexualism, it's just a matter of understanding what an individual's needs are.

[B_Neg]

either way 'Shreach, I'm not knocking what you're saying, or even calling you out. many of your posts have been quite insightful and well informed. just saying it would be nice if you wouldn't ruin a good thing, with the usual tirade of insults aimed at those you consider less informed than yourself. if you'd get off your high horse, and look at people at eye level, it would go a long way towards finding common ground.

as far as the thread goes, i never discounted its legitimacy. i think the subject is important to discuss, and great to help others understand the "current" ways of classifying transsexuality. we may never know who is right or wrong, and that's the point. we shouldn't even have to make that judgement. until the rest of the world shakes off its fear of what it doesn't understand, however, there will always be that need for the populus to classify. other than that, transsexuality, and sexuality are different things, and just like other men and women, everyone is turned on by different things...good, great grand, who cares, live life and love it...

anyways, i'm tired, and don't feel like getting any further into this...point all being, the girl in the video is gorgeous...enjoy what you enjoy about her, and hope that she finds what shes looking for...

[MacShreach]

either way 'Shreach, I'm not knocking what you're saying, or even calling you out.


LOL That's like starting with "With all due respect;" as someone once said of me, "As soon as you say that I know there isn't going to be any."




many of your posts have been quite insightful and well informed.


My, how gracious of you.





just saying it would be nice if you wouldn't ruin a good thing, with the usual tirade of insults aimed at those you consider less informed than yourself.



I don't insult people whom I consider to be less well informed than myself; I inform them as best I can.

I reserve insults for idiots; but there comes a point, when one has informed someone a sufficient number of times, that this assessment becomes inevitable.

If you are referring to my response to Tika, BTW, not only do I stand by it, I strongly suggest you familiarise yourself with his posting history before you stand by him.




if you'd get off your high horse, and look at people at eye level, it would go a long way towards finding common ground.



Well, I do seek common ground, but I'm very choosy about whom I seek it with. As for horses, well, I like a bit of hot porn as much as the next guy, but you can't spend all the time talking about it, you know. It's not actually what it's for. :wink:

[eclipsemint]

A pretty girl dancing, the guys goin' all alpha and snapping at each other like dogs fighting...

Same ol', same'ol...

She has a very nice body and is a good dancer. There, now, can you feel the love again?

[Alyssa87]

its not a 'fool'
as long as sex acts are between (only) consenting adults, its all good.

but to answer your question- no, i do not get the urge.

[B_Neg]

no worries, i'm not defending anyone, certainly not tika, nor am i seeking confrontation...if you want to take my comments as harshly as you have, go for it, i'd rather get along and have more lighthearted, intelligent conversation here...as should be obvious if you read my posts fully...anyways, peace man, i'm over it. have a good day :)

[ARMANIXXX]

It is unlikely that this person is true transsexual.
Harry Benjamin was correct in The Transsexual Phenomenon when he wrote:
"True transsexuals feel that they belong to the other sex, they want to be and function as members of the opposite sex, not only to appear as such. For them, their sex organs, the primary (testes) as well as the secondary (penis and others) are disgusting deformities that must be changed by the surgeon's knife."





Wrong.


Totally depends on the girl.

Some are more comfortable with what they have (penis).....some are not......

Totally depends on the girl.

[alyssats]

from what ive noticed in myself the more hormones i take the more i feel like im a girl and dont like playing my cock. the less hormones i take i like playing my cock almost 2 or 3 times a day jeje

[T-girl hound]

I think she was cute

[eclipsemint]

from what ive noticed in myself the more hormones i take the more i feel like im a girl and dont like playing my cock. the less hormones i take i like playing my cock almost 2 or 3 times a day jeje


Fascinating!!!

Alex aka Roseblossoms on Youtube said pretty much the same thing in one of her videos.

I've also heard it said by a transgender girl that the hormones can change your sexual preference. She started to notice men more and was attracted more to manliness.

Do you find this fluctuates for you, AlyssaTS?

[alyssats]

yes @eclipsemint I need sometimes to lessen or increase my hormonal intake due to my work. Most guys prefer TS that has a fully working functional cock.

thats also what Ive noticed from my friends. My TS friends who take a lot of hormones are purely bottom and hate if a guy touch their cock. My TS friends who dont take or take very less hormones like guys to suck their cock and fuck guys so much.

[Alyssa87]

yes @eclipsemint I need sometimes to lessen or increase my hormonal intake due to my work. Most guys prefer TS that has a fully working functional cock.

thats also what Ive noticed from my friends. My TS friends who take a lot of hormones are purely bottom and hate if a guy touch their cock. My TS friends who dont take or take very less hormones like guys to suck their cock and fuck guys so much.

interesting.
the VERY thing that turns man into woman, and peaks the interest of trans-attracted men- is the same thing that will keep that man from being sexualy satisfied.

isnt it ironic?

[Justawannabe]

Didn't Benjamin have a six level scale with two levels of True Transsexual and a third tier that was referred to as just Transsexual? With surgery only recommended for two levels, and only if the patient was requesting it. Hormone treatment was seen as potentially sufficient for some patients I believe in one of the levels of True Transsexual.

The comment that GRS and complete discomfort with one's genitalia was required to be a transsexual just isn't supported. Benjamin clearly recognized that there were a variety of levels of transsexualism, with a variety of ways to achieve sufficient comfort.

Just saying that while I have some issues with Benjamin's standards, let's not stick words or standards in his mouth that weren't there.

That is not saying that there are not transsexual women who do need the surgery, and urgently. It is only saying that functioning as a woman in life and society does not necessarily require genital surgery, surgery just provides one level of comfort among many.

[mimiplastique]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrFvE3JtBYU

This video is quite interesting.
This transexual says she wants her cocked sucked and that she likes men,women and gay guys.
Question:Do you girls out there have this urge?

Clarification:This is different from girls wanting to bend guys over and play the man role which is a fool to me.

This girl is not the most beautiful and does not have the best body.
However she is way above average in looks and has a nice slim figure on her with a nice waifish shape.
But what I really like about her is her confidence.
What do you all say about this?
Some trannies DONT want the operation and are content with their sex organs AND using them(This is most of you girls although you wont admit it)
Where do you girls draw the line?
Is nutting in your lovers mouth on occasion ok or is it a fool?
Do you respect guys who recieve dick in any way?
What do you all think of the girl in this video....she is kinda hot to me.

It is unlikely that this person is true transsexual.
Harry Benjamin was correct in The Transsexual Phenomenon when he wrote:
"True transsexuals feel that they belong to the other sex, they want to be and function as members of the opposite sex, not only to appear as such. For them, their sex organs, the primary (testes) as well as the secondary (penis and others) are disgusting deformities that must be changed by the surgeon's knife."


i do not agree at all ... so your saying because a she likes her penis she is a not a 'real' transsexual ??? lets get real ...

imo this video belongs on xtube not youtube ... and the dance is mind numbing to someone who studies ballet or any other form of dance ...

this movie was made for cockhounds , attention and lack of anything else to do

I think that she is very pretty ... but the video could have been a whole lot better ... but i am sure there are cockhounds jerking off looking at the video :roll:
so i guess this girl is getting what she wants

the attention of a cockhound












good lord :roll:

[fitz207]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrFvE3JtBYU

This video is quite interesting.
This transexual says she wants her cocked sucked and that she likes men,women and gay guys.
Question:Do you girls out there have this urge?

Clarification:This is different from girls wanting to bend guys over and play the man role which is a fool to me.

This girl is not the most beautiful and does not have the best body.
However she is way above average in looks and has a nice slim figure on her with a nice waifish shape.
But what I really like about her is her confidence.
What do you all say about this?
Some trannies DONT want the operation and are content with their sex organs AND using them(This is most of you girls although you wont admit it)
Where do you girls draw the line?
Is nutting in your lovers mouth on occasion ok or is it a fool?
Do you respect guys who recieve dick in any way?
What do you all think of the girl in this video....she is kinda hot to me.

It is unlikely that this person is true transsexual.
Harry Benjamin was correct in The Transsexual Phenomenon when he wrote:
"True transsexuals feel that they belong to the other sex, they want to be and function as members of the opposite sex, not only to appear as such. For them, their sex organs, the primary (testes) as well as the secondary (penis and others) are disgusting deformities that must be changed by the surgeon's knife."


i do not agree at all ... so your saying because a she likes her penis she is a not a 'real' transsexual ??? lets get real ...

imo this video belongs on xtube not youtube ... and the dance is mind numbing to someone who studies ballet or any other form of dance ...

this movie was made for cockhounds , attention and lack of anything else to do

I think that she is very pretty ... but the video could have been a whole lot better ... but i am sure there are cockhounds jerking off looking at the video :roll:
so i guess this girl is getting what she wants

the attention of a cockhound












good lord :roll:
She is very hot and feminine. What makes you think that "cockhounds" would go crazy over her?

[Alyssa87]

mimi....







pay it

[phobun]

yes @eclipsemint I need sometimes to lessen or increase my hormonal intake due to my work. Most guys prefer TS that has a fully working functional cock.

thats also what Ive noticed from my friends. My TS friends who take a lot of hormones are purely bottom and hate if a guy touch their cock. My TS friends who dont take or take very less hormones like guys to suck their cock and fuck guys so much.

interesting.
the VERY thing that turns man into woman, and peaks the interest of trans-attracted men- is the same thing that will keep that man from being sexualy satisfied.

isnt it ironic?

I'm not sure this is true that hormones "peak the interest of trans-attracted men"...

The reality is very simple really... cock peaks the interest of trans-attracted men. Hormones are not always required, but cock is.

[mimiplastique]

mimi....







pay it

ma sista consider it paid :why

[Alyssa87]

yes @eclipsemint I need sometimes to lessen or increase my hormonal intake due to my work. Most guys prefer TS that has a fully working functional cock.

thats also what Ive noticed from my friends. My TS friends who take a lot of hormones are purely bottom and hate if a guy touch their cock. My TS friends who dont take or take very less hormones like guys to suck their cock and fuck guys so much.

interesting.
the VERY thing that turns man into woman, and peaks the interest of trans-attracted men- is the same thing that will keep that man from being sexualy satisfied.

isnt it ironic?

I'm not sure this is true that hormones "peak the interest of trans-attracted men"...

The reality is very simple really... cock peaks the interest of trans-attracted men. Hormones are not always required, but cock is.

i should have slipped a 'some' or 'most' in there somewhere. my bad.

[mimiplastique]

girl i do not think i have enough money to pay it ...

[Alyssa87]

girl i do not think i have enough money to pay it ...

lol

just try your best. i know its difficult.
let ppl do them.

[phobun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrFvE3JtBYU

This video is quite interesting.
This transexual says she wants her cocked sucked and that she likes men,women and gay guys.
Question:Do you girls out there have this urge?

Clarification:This is different from girls wanting to bend guys over and play the man role which is a fool to me.

This girl is not the most beautiful and does not have the best body.
However she is way above average in looks and has a nice slim figure on her with a nice waifish shape.
But what I really like about her is her confidence.
What do you all say about this?
Some trannies DONT want the operation and are content with their sex organs AND using them(This is most of you girls although you wont admit it)
Where do you girls draw the line?
Is nutting in your lovers mouth on occasion ok or is it a fool?
Do you respect guys who recieve dick in any way?
What do you all think of the girl in this video....she is kinda hot to me.

It is unlikely that this person is true transsexual.
Harry Benjamin was correct in The Transsexual Phenomenon when he wrote:
"True transsexuals feel that they belong to the other sex, they want to be and function as members of the opposite sex, not only to appear as such. For them, their sex organs, the primary (testes) as well as the secondary (penis and others) are disgusting deformities that must be changed by the surgeon's knife."


i do not agree at all ... so your saying because a she likes her penis she is a not a 'real' transsexual ??? lets get real ...
The legendary Harry Benjamin wrote that about "true" transsexuals. He did not write 'real'. I, like some others, agree with his assessment. A "true" transsexual hates her penis and is loathe to use it.

I am not pointing fingers, but many people who describe themselves as transsexual are really just gayboys who use boob jobs and make-up to attract guys. Likewise, many the guys are in denial about their lust for cock, and some even say idiotic things like "I'm 99% straight but I find myself attracted to a beautiful woman who just happens to have a penis." The cockhounds lie to themselves as much as the gayboys who call themselves transsexual lie to themselves. Both parties willingly practice self-deception for their mutual convenience.


imo this video belongs on xtube not youtube ... and the dance is mind numbing to someone who studies ballet or any other form of dance ...

this movie was made for cockhounds
I agree. It is totally cheesy. The bulge in the panties is the focus for cockhounds, because the face is not visible and there really are no hips.

[mimiplastique]

girl i do not think i have enough money to pay it ...

lol

just try your best. i know its difficult.
let ppl do them.

girl running short on coins

[ed_jaxon]

How are you doing Meems.

Better I hope.

Come hang out in HP once in a while.

[alyssats]

So me can I classify myself as a transsexual, i feel im a girl since i was born and feel like a girl always may it be in public or bed. Full time girl lifestyle and i look more girly than most girls jeje but i still like playing my cock and i consider it my clit or shecock. Am I a transsexual or what fake tranny?

[phobun]

So me can I classify myself as a transsexual, i feel im a girl since i was born and feel like a girl always may it be in public or bed. Full time girl lifestyle and i look more girly than most girls jeje but i still like playing my cock and i consider it my clit or shecock. Am I a transsexual or what fake tranny?
It's a free country and individuals can call themselves whatever they desire.

[Alyssa87]

The legendary Harry Benjamin wrote that about "true" transsexuals. He did not write 'real'. I, like some others, agree with his assessment. A "true" transsexual hates her penis and is loathe to use it.

I am not pointing fingers, but many people who describe themselves as transsexual are really just gayboys who use boob jobs and make-up to attract guys. Likewise, many the guys are in denial about their lust for cock, and some even say idiotic things like "I'm 99% straight but I find myself attracted to a beautiful woman who just happens to have a penis." The cockhounds lie to themselves as much as the gayboys who call themselves transsexual lie to themselves. Both parties willingly practice self-deception for their mutual convenience.



Phobun,

as much as i hate to admit it (because i love my sisters and have respect for cockhounds), i agree with you to some extent.

even though in my own mind- i feel female,

until i have a seccessful SRS, i will continually feel the nagging notion that i am very much male, and men who have sex with me are kinda gay.


however, i did not begin my transition in order to attract men.
the decision was entirely personal and life saving.
i could have attracted men as a boy.

[fitz207]

I agree. It is totally cheesy. The bulge in the panties is the focus for cockhounds, because the face is not visible and there really are no hips.
Her face was visible. There was not much not of bulge. She's a pre-op, maybe she didn't feel like tucking. I agree she could could use more hips. but she has more hip than that Kimber James which everyone goes goo goo gaa gaa over.

[fitz207]

So me can I classify myself as a transsexual, i feel im a girl since i was born and feel like a girl always may it be in public or bed. Full time girl lifestyle and i look more girly than most girls jeje but i still like playing my cock and i consider it my clit or shecock. Am I a transsexual or what fake tranny?
If you enjoy playing with yourself, then do it. If a person is open to being with a TG then it shouldn't bother them.

[SarahG]

It is unlikely that this person is true transsexual.
Harry Benjamin was correct in The Transsexual Phenomenon when he wrote:
"True transsexuals feel that they belong to the other sex, they want to be and function as members of the opposite sex, not only to appear as such. For them, their sex organs, the primary (testes) as well as the secondary (penis and others) are disgusting deformities that must be changed by the surgeon's knife."





Wrong.


Totally depends on the girl.

Some are more comfortable with what they have (penis).....some are not......

Totally depends on the girl.

I don't think being a top or bottom is based on how comfortable you are with your body.

There are plenty of tops who are uncomfortable with their body, and there are plenty of bottoms who are perfectly comfortable with their body.

If it's all about comfort-levels, wouldn't all non-ops be tops? Yet that's not true.

Some people are just tops, and some people are just bottoms.

[SarahG]

Didn't Benjamin have a six level scale with two levels of True Transsexual and a third tier that was referred to as just Transsexual? With surgery only recommended for two levels, and only if the patient was requesting it. Hormone treatment was seen as potentially sufficient for some patients I believe in one of the levels of True Transsexual.

The comment that GRS and complete discomfort with one's genitalia was required to be a transsexual just isn't supported. Benjamin clearly recognized that there were a variety of levels of transsexualism, with a variety of ways to achieve sufficient comfort.

Just saying that while I have some issues with Benjamin's standards, let's not stick words or standards in his mouth that weren't there.

That is not saying that there are not transsexual women who do need the surgery, and urgently. It is only saying that functioning as a woman in life and society does not necessarily require genital surgery, surgery just provides one level of comfort among many.

As I remember it, he used 5 levels or tiers to talk about the severity of the dyshoria.

The more dysphoric the patient is, the more severe their condition was and the more urgently they would need treatment (ranging from hrt to srs).

The assumption was that srs was harming perfectly healthy tissue, and so it was reserved as a treatment of last resort, to be used only after everything else had failed to end the dysphoric state for the patient. The only people who qualified for srs are people who have an extremely high degree of dysphoria, to the point of having problems functioning in society.

The other assumption was that "you'd have to be crazy to want your genitalia cut up like that," so someone who was perfectly sane, socially functional, and perfectly adjusted would not be able to walk into a surgeon's office & get srs.

This tends to somewhat contradict the way the letter-system prerequisite works for SRS today. Today people seeking srs need to go through the letter system under the SoC, and to get those two shrink letters authorizing srs you have to prove you are fairly stable psychologically, well adjusted, and socially functional. If you're so fucked up with dysphoria to the point of being unable to function, you wouldn't be able to get approval for srs. This creates an obvious paradox since failure to treat in time creates a level of dysphoria that creates a level of treatment urgency that would prevent access to that treatment (try saying that 3 times fast).

The problem with all this, is that it values all treatment options including HRT as last resort methods that should only be used in desperation for patients who are already highly dysphoric.

Why is this a problem? Because under modern views of transsexualism, that dysphoria problem is a side effect from not being treated soon-enough. If you've waited until the patient is proactively engaging in self destructive behavior to start them on hrt, you've waited way too long and put the patient into avoidable psychological duress!

[SarahG]

yes @eclipsemint I need sometimes to lessen or increase my hormonal intake due to my work. Most guys prefer TS that has a fully working functional cock.

thats also what Ive noticed from my friends. My TS friends who take a lot of hormones are purely bottom and hate if a guy touch their cock. My TS friends who dont take or take very less hormones like guys to suck their cock and fuck guys so much.

interesting.
the VERY thing that turns man into woman, and peaks the interest of trans-attracted men- is the same thing that will keep that man from being sexualy satisfied.

isnt it ironic?

I'm not sure this is true that hormones "peak the interest of trans-attracted men"...

The reality is very simple really... cock peaks the interest of trans-attracted men. Hormones are not always required, but cock is.

I guess that depends on whether we're talking about the chasers who would "go to the Scottish games to hit on all the guys in kilts thinking they're tgirls wearing school girl outfits," or the chasers that actually care about secondary sex characteristics (breasts, smooth skin, lack of body hair, lack of facial hair, hips, ass, etc).

If it's about the cock for a chaser to the point where klinger would do, then you're right- hormones have nothing to do with the attraction.

[Solitary Brother]

its not a 'fool'
as long as sex acts are between (only) consenting adults, its all good.

but to answer your question- no, i do not get the urge.

Oh really?
So are you one of those girls that like using your utensil on guys?
How come you never spoke up before?
See..Its like I said you girls once your behind closed doors LIKE using your utensil on guys but public diss it.
Why else would so few transexuals have the operation?
Transexuals are SOOO complicated.

[BLKGSXR]

its not a 'fool'
as long as sex acts are between (only) consenting adults, its all good.

but to answer your question- no, i do not get the urge.

Oh really?
So are you one of those girls that like using your utensil on guys?
How come you never spoke up before?
See..Its like I said you girls once your behind closed doors LIKE using your utensil on guys but public diss it.
Why else would so few transexuals have the operation?
Transexuals are SOOO complicated.Solitary I seriously believe your a virgin man you talk too much shit.words of advice STFU TROLL!

[Alyssa87]

its not a 'fool'
as long as sex acts are between (only) consenting adults, its all good.

but to answer your question- no, i do not get the urge.

Oh really?
So are you one of those girls that like using your utensil on guys?
How come you never spoke up before?
See..Its like I said you girls once your behind closed doors LIKE using your utensil on guys but public diss it.
Why else would so few transexuals have the operation?
Transexuals are SOOO complicated.

no, im not really.

but why would other people's hypocrisy bother you?
unless they hold some place of power over your life.

i havent had the operation because i have a host of other things to pay for and establish for myself before i can pay for it or forfeit the time for travel and recuperation.

[hwbs]

i just see so many confused people on here...try turning off the pc and actually experiencing real life...when i hear words like strict top and power bottoms it is all pretty comical to me....u think cause u are strict u are a better fuck from a guy who is vers...highly unlikely... i am sure of that...i have been with a lot ts in the 9 years i have been in the scene...most like to get sucked off 4 the least..big fucking deal..i dated an Asian ts girl that is into everything (trannies , gg, gays, str8)...i guess this is also why i have few guy friends in this arena also...dudes just need to get over sexuality and figure out what is going on inside themselves instead of trying to figure out every trannie on the net...

[fred41]

i just see so many confused people on here...try turning off the pc and actually experiencing real life...when i hear words like strict top and power bottoms it is all pretty comical to me....u think cause u are strict u are a better fuck from a guy who is vers...highly unlikely... i am sure of that...i have been with a lot ts in the 9 years i have been in the scene...most like to get sucked off 4 the least..big fucking deal..i dated an Asian ts girl that is into everything (trannies , gg, gays, str8)...i guess this is also why i have few guy friends in this arena also...dudes just need to get over sexuality and figure out what is going on inside themselves instead of trying to figure out every trannie on the net...

I agree with everything you just said....and yet the psychoanalyzing (usually by guys..of themselves...and the girls) will never end.

[hippifried]

Psychobabbleanalyzing is fun sometimes, but it can have it's drawbacks:

[MacShreach]

The comment that GRS and complete discomfort with one's genitalia was required to be a transsexual just isn't supported.

It would probably help if you read a bit more carefully and got your quotes right. What I actually said was,


severe discomfort with the presence of a penis is pretty much a prerequisite for undergoing GRS,

Which is not the same thing at all, and is self-evidently true. That statement takes no view on whether the person is transsexual or not, it just points out the obvious.

The other thing to remember is the Benjamin's Scale is an aid to diagnosis and only that. His classifications relate symptoms to suggested therapies, and the scale remains a primary diagnostic tool today. Unfortunately some people have come to see it as a scale of "degrees of transsexualism," which it is not, and even to infer that somehow one is better than otheres. That's a ridiculous suggestion. In fact it is a scale because Benjamin used the Kinsey Scale as a start-point; if he were working today and knowing how much more we know about the experiences of transsexual women, he might have used another approach.


Benjamin strictly divides between CD/TV and transsexual. He does have a classification, Type Four: Transsexual (Nonsurgical,) which appears to blur this, but if you read the scale you'll see that this is what would be regarded today as an intense form of transvestism. It may well be that the person the OP was referring to falls into this classification, but if, again, you read carefully, you will note that Phobun and I were careful to use the term "true transsexual" which would refer to Benjamin's Types 5 and 6.

There are ways in which Benjamin's Scale has been superceded, which is hardly surprising, but the main one is that sexual orientation (attraction) or sexuality are no longer used as diagnostic references, which is quite right, as transsexual women appear to be lesbian in about the same ratio as natal women.

However, in the main, Benjamin's work remains a standard, and the quality of his work is made more impressive as we have seen how, in the intervening years, other theories, such as Blanchard's, in which all transsexuals were either gay men or fetishistic cross-dressing men (I'm not kidding) have fallen by the wayside.

Benjamin's work, however, made no attempt to get a full understanding of the underlying causes of transgenderism or transsexualism; he was a practical doctor who wanted to help people have better lives, and his scale was a tool to aid that; in the hands of good people it has helped many women, and I am quite sure in the hands of bad people it has caused problems. But you can't blame the chisel because the joiner's no good.

[ARMANIXXX]

It is unlikely that this person is true transsexual.
Harry Benjamin was correct in The Transsexual Phenomenon when he wrote:
"True transsexuals feel that they belong to the other sex, they want to be and function as members of the opposite sex, not only to appear as such. For them, their sex organs, the primary (testes) as well as the secondary (penis and others) are disgusting deformities that must be changed by the surgeon's knife."





Wrong.


Totally depends on the girl.

Some are more comfortable with what they have (penis).....some are not......

Totally depends on the girl.

I don't think being a top or bottom is based on how comfortable you are with your body.

There are plenty of tops who are uncomfortable with their body, and there are plenty of bottoms who are perfectly comfortable with their body.

If it's all about comfort-levels, wouldn't all non-ops be tops? Yet that's not true.

Some people are just tops, and some people are just bottoms.



SarahG,

I wasn't implying top or bottom regarding what I said.

I simply said that some TS's are more comfortable with what they have and others are not. That didn't have anything to do with "Top or Bottom" factor.

[MacShreach]

Didn't Benjamin have a six level scale with two levels of True Transsexual and a third tier that was referred to as just Transsexual? With surgery only recommended for two levels, and only if the patient was requesting it. Hormone treatment was seen as potentially sufficient for some patients I believe in one of the levels of True Transsexual.

The comment that GRS and complete discomfort with one's genitalia was required to be a transsexual just isn't supported. Benjamin clearly recognized that there were a variety of levels of transsexualism, with a variety of ways to achieve sufficient comfort.

Just saying that while I have some issues with Benjamin's standards, let's not stick words or standards in his mouth that weren't there.

That is not saying that there are not transsexual women who do need the surgery, and urgently. It is only saying that functioning as a woman in life and society does not necessarily require genital surgery, surgery just provides one level of comfort among many.

As I remember it, he used 5 levels or tiers to talk about the severity of the dyshoria.



No, he used 6. Justawannabe is right on that.




The more dysphoric the patient is, the more severe their condition was and the more urgently they would need treatment (ranging from hrt to srs).

The assumption was that srs was harming perfectly healthy tissue, and so it was reserved as a treatment of last resort, to be used only after everything else had failed to end the dysphoric state for the patient. The only people who qualified for srs are people who have an extremely high degree of dysphoria, to the point of having problems functioning in society.

The other assumption was that "you'd have to be crazy to want your genitalia cut up like that," so someone who was perfectly sane, socially functional, and perfectly adjusted would not be able to walk into a surgeon's office & get srs.

This tends to somewhat contradict the way the letter-system prerequisite works for SRS today. Today people seeking srs need to go through the letter system under the SoC, and to get those two shrink letters authorizing srs you have to prove you are fairly stable psychologically, well adjusted, and socially functional. If you're so fucked up with dysphoria to the point of being unable to function, you wouldn't be able to get approval for srs. This creates an obvious paradox since failure to treat in time creates a level of dysphoria that creates a level of treatment urgency that would prevent access to that treatment (try saying that 3 times fast).

The problem with all this, is that it values all treatment options including HRT as last resort methods that should only be used in desperation for patients who are already highly dysphoric.

Why is this a problem? Because under modern views of transsexualism, that dysphoria problem is a side effect from not being treated soon-enough. If you've waited until the patient is proactively engaging in self destructive behavior to start them on hrt, you've waited way too long and put the patient into avoidable psychological duress!

You won't be surprised that I agree, I'm sure.

The point is that because someone does not fit one of the Benjamin "true transsexual" types, that does NOT mean they are any less worthy, any less feminine, any less deserving of proper care and respect, or any less anything EXCEPT they are comfortable with their genitalia and DO NOT REQUIRE SURGERY.

It is absolutely clear that, leaving aside any theorizing or speculation about causes and origins or what made whom into whatever, there are some people who do NEED GRS and some who are able to have perfectly happy lives without it. They may benefit from a whole range of other therapies but they simply are not candidates for GRS. The work Benjamin did remains the basis on which clinicians can make a diagnosis as to which therapy is appropriate. That's all it is.

It is very unfortunate that, as usual, behaviourists have stuck their snouts in this trough and tried, through various means including completely specious "studies," not to mention popular novels masquerading as science, to muddy the water in an attempt, as ever, to show that everyone's problems can be solved by yet more psychobabble. They can't. Some people simply do need surgery, and the quicker the better.

Since we don't yet know what the physiological cause of transsexualism is, we can't devise a simple blood test or brain scan that would make deciding which was which easy, so the Benjamin scale remains the only clinically proven start point. And why is it clinically proven? Because we know that in over 80% of cases, where GRS is carried after diagnosis using the Benjamin guidelines, the result is a complete success.

That's QED.

:shrug

[dryzen]

It's sad...all of this because a pretty girl with no hips wanted attention and made a youtube video....So depressing...just watch the vid if you want, if not....dont click? yay?

[phobun]

Psychobabbleanalyzing is fun sometimes, but it can have it's drawbacks:

Some people would rather hide from reality. They can't handle the truth.
For them, the smoke and mirrors affords a safe zone.

[MacShreach]

So me can I classify myself as a transsexual, i feel im a girl since i was born and feel like a girl always may it be in public or bed. Full time girl lifestyle and i look more girly than most girls jeje but i still like playing my cock and i consider it my clit or shecock. Am I a transsexual or what fake tranny?

Alyssa, your orientation--whether you are attracted to men or women, and your sexuality-- what you like to do with your fun bits-- are not the same thing as your gender.

Benjamin might have classified you as a Type 4: Transsexual (Non-surgical.) In a way it is unfortunate that he used the term "True Transsexual" for his Types 5 and 6; instead he perhaps should have restricted himself to calling them "Surgical" rather than "true," since his wording appears to suggest, to some people, a "points on a scale" where some are more transsexual than others. You have to remember that as I have said, the Benjamin "Scale" is meant to be a diagnostic aid and it was written over 40 years ago. We have learned a lot since then.

One key problem with Benjamin's work is not his classification but his start-point; he describes the behaviour of both CD/TV men and transsexual women as if they were men with a mental condition. This leads to many complications, but is understandable given the state of knowledge at the time he was writing.

More recent thinking, which forms the official policy of many countries and health-care systems is that in fact, transsexual women are women with a physiological, probably neurological, intersex condition for which we do not yet know the cause. It is therefore totally independent of a person's sexual orientation or sexuality and ONLY about their gender.

Furthermore, what you describe-- women on higher oestrogen being less inclined to have their partners play with their "boy bits" --is very widely reported.

I think, personally, that if a woman is required to compromise her hormone regime in order to satisfy customers who wish her to have a "functional" penis, then this is very unfortunate and she has my deep sympathy, but I personally would take issue with the men, not the women. You have to do what you have to do to get by; I am afraid these sort of compromises are a frequent part of the professional life you are in.