Pentagon attack redux

[thx1138]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GHM5f9lVho

[hippifried]

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What now? The conspiracy nuts are harassing some old cab driver to make a case that the plane had a slightly different trajectory? This shows what? The plane still hit the building.

[thx1138]

Well, for one: someone tampered with a crime scene. Why? England is reportedly married to an FBI agent (see comments) Why is England referring to "planners"? Cheney's people? So many questions without answers.

[hippifried]

So go find some answers. They're not in here.

Personally, I think you're driving yourselves crazy searching for questions.

[thx1138]

I can understand your reluctance to even think about this. Anyone who gets to close to the answers could be disappeared, accidented or suicided. I feel sorry for poor England. His life isn't worth a damn now. I hope he has an insurance policy.

[hippifried]

Puleeeze!

[trish]

To me England appears confused. When shown photos of the same scene from two different perspectives he can’t seem to reconcile them easily. He insists at first they aren’t the same scene. He seems to acquiesce when the questioner points to various correspondences in the two images. This already makes me think England is a bit slow to comprehend and compensates by being persistent. His memory of the accident is that his car was stopped a tenth of a mile up the road from the cobble stone bridge with the downed light pole. Again, he’s persistent about that but not consistent with the photographic evidence. But it’s just a tenth of a mile. After all, the man is obviously easy to confuse, was stressed by the accident and is now being stressed out by an insistent interrogator. As to the direction of the plane, England is mute. He’s not even asked if he saw a plane, if it struck the Pentagon or from which direction it came. Perhaps he was asked and the answers have been edited out of the video. If your case rests on this and like testimony, you have no case.

[thx1138]

http://snardfarker.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2649739%3ABlogPost%3A50600&page=1#comment-2649739_Comment_50670

[thx1138]

Yeah, he's confused all right. Confused as to what to say to extricate himself from the pile of shit he's stepped into. He's thinking; "oh oh, this dude caught me in a lie. What the hell can I say now that doesn't contradict my previous statements." His difficulty is remembering what he told the interviewer previously so as not to contradict anything. Since being a cab driver uually requires honesty he's never had to become an accomplished liar like politicans are. BTW: when you catch a little kid in a lie they do exactly the same as England: hem and haw. :>)

[thx1138]

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave when we first practice to deceive."

[trish]

You don't know what Mr. England is thinking. We only have his behavior and Occam's razor.

[El Nino]

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[thx1138]

Trish: who are "the planners" with the thick bank roll"?

[trish]

So your position, El Nino, is that you don't believe the governments account of 9/11, therefore all this crap about Mr. England must be true. There's a bowlful of logic for you!

[trish]

Nonsense invented by badgered and befuddled cab driver does not constitute evidence. If you want to hunt down non-existent planners with big bank rolls, thx, be my guest. But don't annoy us until you've got something.

[thx1138]

Well, if England is delusional why is he still driving around a cab? (Remember his wife is an FBI agent.) wouldn't she have him committed to a mental institution? He's not delusional. He's scared!

[thx1138]

http://stevenwarran.blogspot.com/2006/07/lloyd-lloyde-england-at-pentagon-on.html & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSyZRa2oIJo

[trish]

There's a big difference between being befuddled about two locations a tenth of a mile apart and delusional, thx. I never said Mr. England was delusional. If you just stop putting thoughts in people's heads and words in people's mouths and just listen and evaluate what they actually say, you may understand more.

[El Nino]

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[trish]

Hahaha…what do you mean “one”? According to the 9/11 commission:

“Four of the hijackers’ passports have survived in whole or in part. Two were recovered from the crash site of United Airlines Flight 93 in Pennsylvania. One belonged to a hijacker on American Airlines Flight 11. A passerby picked it up and gave it to an NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed. A fourth passport was recovered from luggage that did not make it from a Portland flight to Boston onto the connecting flight, which was American Airlines Flight 11. In addition to these four, some digital copies of the hijackers’ passports were recovered in post-9/11 operations… the passports of 15 of the hijackers did not survive…” ( http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/staff_statement_1.pdf )

So what are the odds, little boy? Have you taken the time to compute them? Do you know how? Be sure to show your work.


...Mr. England aside... Mr. England's credibility should be judged independently of one's belief or non-belief in a 9/11 conspiracy; especially if one wishes to cite it as independent evidence for a conspiracy. So why in a discussion about Mr. England's story did you find it relevant to bring up passports found in the rubble of the twin towers? It would have been more appropriate to put the passports aside, don't you think?

[El Nino]

hmmm makes one wonder:
http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html

[yosi]

it's not a conspiracy that some poeple just LOVE conspiracies :wink:

[El Nino]

Yosi, I think you are confusing the term conspiracy with the term conspiracy theory. 911 certainly was a conspiracy, commenced by a group. There are many 'theories' appointed to it as such and it appears as though there are many conflicting viewpoints... and may I add, for good reason.

[trish]

And just how is the observation that "it's not a conspiracy that some people just love conspiracies" a confusion? Certainly the observation itself it true under both interpretations. People do not conspire to love conspiracies. Nor do they conspire to love conspiracy theories. The assertion that they do would be a conspiracy theory; albeit, no more inane than most. :wink:

[hippifried]

:banghead

[chefmike]

:banghead

I feel your pain....

[arnie666]

My personal thoughts on those who believe in a US Government conspiracy regarding 911 is this.

They are either, extreme political left reactionaries who do not really believe there was a conspiracy at all but just talk like there was because they like to Bash Bush. They may also be militant islamists or have sympathy for militant Islam and use the conspiracy theories as progaganda to bash western goverments.

Or they may in fact be Americans who were seriously traumatised by the 911 attacks . They in their own insane minds prefer the idea that the Government had this all planned and it was controlled. Rather than the Bush Government dropped a bollock and failed to prevent that atrocity. It makes them scared to think something like that could happen again. And it could Terrorists are notoriously hard to stop .

Finally they just could be general wackos who see conspiracies in many things not just the 911 towers but the death of Diana (prince philip had her murdered) or the many theories regarding JFK. The Royal family and some powerful families in the US are lizard people etc etc.

[El Nino]

You sir, are clueless

[hippifried]

Nino,

You're considered a nut by the left, the right, & the middle. Even your demigod Ron Paul & the rest of the ersatz libertarians think conspiracy nuts are crazy. So I'm just wondering where your shrink falls in the "Nino is crazy" consensus.

[El Nino]

Hippi... everybody's crazy, in a relative sense. You are no closer to "the truth" than the next guy. By the way, an ill-informed populace, is one that is simple to control.

[El Nino]

Nino,

You're considered a nut by the left, the right, & the middle. Even your demigod Ron Paul & the rest of the ersatz libertarians think conspiracy nuts are crazy. So I'm just wondering where your shrink falls in the "Nino is crazy" consensus.

Labels are for clothes, dude. I chill with many, many people who see through the MSM induced BS. I am glad that there are actually so many people that are waking up. It is a grand thing and a good sign. Additional multitudes are needed however. Thank 'God' for the internet!

[arnie666]

You sir, are clueless

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okXv8THLcnk

Quite a banging beat in my view.

[chefmike]

Nino,

You're considered a nut by the left, the right, & the middle. Even your demigod Ron Paul & the rest of the ersatz libertarians think conspiracy nuts are crazy. So I'm just wondering where your shrink falls in the "Nino is crazy" consensus.

Labels are for clothes, dude. I chill with many, many people who see through the MSM induced BS. I am glad that there are actually so many people that are waking up. It is a grand thing and a good sign. Additional multitudes are needed however. Thank 'God' for the internet! You should be thanking god that you weren't born a century ago, El Nutjob. They would have locked your crazy ass up in the basement like Boo Radley.




And with good reason.

[El Nino]

haha... whatever you say Chef.

[chefmike]

At least you still have your sense of humor and I applaud you for that, sir.




Is that why they call it the laughing academy?

[Ben]

How the Pentagon is Bracing for Societal Collapse:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zb1u_ySWQc