100 Days - your thoughts

[tstv_lover]

Having just watched Obama's press conference reflecting on his first 100 days, current challenges and future plans I wonder about the perception in the US.

For those who voted for Obama, are you satisfied that he's held true to your expectations, heading in the right direction and at a pace you're happy with?

For those who opposed Obama, are your fears being realised or have they been lessened by his actions during the last 100 days?

[hippifried]

He's held true to my expectations for the most part, but that's because I paid attention during the campaign. That's not to say that I agree with everything he's doing, but I'm not surprized because he's doing what he told everybody he was going to do before the election. He's a little conservative for me, but you have to play the hand that's dealt. Personally, I was pulling for Bill Richardson originally. Oops.

Moving in the right direcrion? I think so, in general. I'm not naive enough to expect instantaneous results. There's a big tangled mess to sort out. I have my own opinions on the pace, but I'm not privy to the kind of information available to the President of the United States.

[thx1138]

Mixed bad. The big question is what is he going to do when retail price inflation begins to skyrocket due to massive Fed money creation to "fight" deflation. figure summer of 2012.

[thx1138]

He's happy now.

[circ]

I was opposed to him. Because he's black! Jesus! No but seriously, he seems very much like Clinton. Pretty useless but makes for a good photo op. Everyone always goes 'Oh, he's going to bla bla this and that and shit fuck aglkajdg.' and then after they're in office, they're all 'Oh, he's doing the best he can.' Well fuck, if you're a politician, you're expected to do the best job you can. I have not seen a politician do that in my lifetime. What I have seen is some major level fuckups that would get you canned and likely imprisoned from any other job.

Do I think Dr Psycho Paul would have done a better job? Maybe. At least he wouldn't have been pushing for Afghanistan as if someone gave a shit. And Pakistan, who gives a shit! Pakistani intel backs up the terrorists, intel that the US trained. And now they're trying to undo the damage kinda like oh.. Saddam, who was a US trained puppet too that got out of hand. How about getting it right in the first place. And Iran getting Nukes. Oh shit! Because North Korea or Israel are such threats with nukes obviously. I wish they gave a shit about some shitbag country like France arming every single conflict zone in the world instead. France that then whines because some Arab bought his shit from the Russians.

[thx1138]

On Obama: At least he hasn't outlawed white people (yet) :>)

[hippifried]

He's BLACK???
Damn! I knew there was something different about him.
Maybe I should take off my shades when watching TV.


BTW: Iraq was a Soviet ally. We never supported Saddam Hussein. Even during the Iran Iraq war, we ended up selling arms to Iran. Oh we shot up a few little Iranian boats while we were trying to placate the Kuwaitis & keep the Soviet fleet out of the gulf, but it was Iraq that was shooting at the tankers & us. We haven't had a coherent policy in any part of Asia since WWII.

[thx1138]

BTW: Iraq was a Soviet ally. We never supported Saddam Hussein. Even during the Iran Iraq war, we ended up selling arms to Iran. HUh? Poor Hippi doesn't know much history: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090430144524.htm

[thx1138]

oops. wrong link. Try this: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

[hippifried]

What'd I miss? Iraq was armed by the Soviet Union. They attacked Iran shortly before the 1980 election & subsequent release of the hostages from the embassy takeover. That war lasted through the entire Reagan administration. The official US policy was neutrality. In reality, the Reagan administration did everything they could to keep the war going. They were playing both sides against the middle. In the meantime, they bumped the Soviet fleet out of the gulf by cutting a deal with Kuwait to escort the tankers from Kuwait City through the Strait of Hormuz. In return, Kuwait kicked up its financial aid to Iraq. Meanwhile we were selling missiles to Iran. Remember Iran/Contra? Iraq hit the USS Stark with a couple of exocets in 1987. What'd we do? Basically, Reagan apologized for getting in the way of their missiles & relieved the captain of duty. Reagan was a putz. The war ended in 1988, & 2 years later we were bombing Iraq in the Gulf War.

Saddam Hussein was never in the US camp. The only support he ever got from us was round-about to perpetuate the Iran/Iraq war. 2 years or less of normalized relations, & we were kickin' his ass.

Personally, I think Iraq's actions against both Iran & Kuwait were about access to the sea. Aside from the Euphrates & some shifting sand bars in the delta, they're landlocked. That's the way the Brits drew the map. Without direct access to deep water, Iraq is force to pipe their oil through a variety of other countries. It's the only reason for those wars that makes sense.

[thx1138]

US provided satellite intelligence to Iraq pinpointing Iranian targets. The US was far more pissed off at Iran for deposing the their lackey (shah of Iran). and of course the embarrassment of the hostage taking provided additional impetus. Why would the US provide weapons to Iran? Although I do recall a deal was brokered by Bush senior to send weapons to Iran provided they held the hostages until after the 1980 presidential election. The hostages were released the next day after Reagan was elected. Perhaps this is what you were referring to.

[hippifried]

I just answered you in the new thread you opened. Since it's off topic in this one, I suggest we leave it there.

[thx1138]

Ok.

[Distance]

I was opposed to him. Because he's black! Jesus! No but seriously, he seems very much like Clinton. Pretty useless but makes for a good photo op. Everyone always goes 'Oh, he's going to bla bla this and that and shit fuck aglkajdg.' and then after they're in office, they're all 'Oh, he's doing the best he can.' Well fuck, if you're a politician, you're expected to do the best job you can. I have not seen a politician do that in my lifetime. What I have seen is some major level fuckups that would get you canned and likely imprisoned from any other job.

Do I think Dr Psycho Paul would have done a better job? Maybe. At least he wouldn't have been pushing for Afghanistan as if someone gave a shit. And Pakistan, who gives a shit! Pakistani intel backs up the terrorists, intel that the US trained. And now they're trying to undo the damage kinda like oh.. Saddam, who was a US trained puppet too that got out of hand. How about getting it right in the first place. And Iran getting Nukes. Oh shit! Because North Korea or Israel are such threats with nukes obviously. I wish they gave a shit about some shitbag country like France arming every single conflict zone in the world instead. France that then whines because some Arab bought his shit from the Russians.

Has he not done anything for your economy so far? For the face of America throughout the world, completely trashed by son of a Bush? Besides, everyone should care about Afghanistan and Pakistan. The Talibans are 100kms away from Islamabad. If they take over at some point, it's war, then world conflict in chain reaction. Pakistan would attack India straight on.



As for weapons, suppliers and sales, the US sell 38% of the world total, and takes the number 1 spot. Half of that sold to developing countries. France, 10% only. 2/3 to industrialized countries, 1/3 to developing nations. Get your facts right before posting cliches and inacurracies. :roll:

[tstv_lover]

One of the leading UK newspapers is suggesting that President Obama is considering retaining military trials at Guantanamo Bay. Has there been much coverage/debate/analysis of this in the US and would this be the biggest u-turn so far?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5268362/Obama-considers-u-turn-on-military-trials-for-terror-suspects.html

[hippifried]

I think there was already one trial under way. I don't know where that stands. I don't think there'll be any more. There's no reason to do it, & never was. Terrorism is a crime, & we have criminal courts. It doesn't matter who arrests the criminals. Military tribunals are just a coverup for the stupidity of how all this was handled in the first place.

[circ]

It's not how much you sell Distance. It's what you sell.

[Distance]

It's not how much you sell Distance. It's what you sell.

But...that didn't make any sense at all. :lol:

Oooh, so all guilty? Nice AK 47 by the way. :twisted:

[q1a2z3]

Obama and his lunatic friends have to remember that it takes highly paid people to pay for his WELFARE wet dream.



<========== Sodomy! the major cause of AIDS. Lots of switch hitters out here in obamaland. I wonder if his is too?

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[hippifried]

That you gettin' punked in your avatar, Q, or just wishful thinking?