Swine flu ....

[mimiplastique]

pandemic

http://news.scotsman.com/health/Pandemic-alert-over-deadly-swine.5206576.jp

Pandemic alert over deadly swine flu


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Published Date: 26 April 2009
By Kate Foster
THE World Health Organisation was last night trying to find a way to halt the spread of a deadly new strain of flu across the world.
After a crisis meeting following the deaths of up to 68 people in Mexico, WHO declared swine flu could turn into a pandemic.

More than 1,000 others are reported to have been infected by the virus in Mexico. Health officials believe at least eight
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schoolchildren in New York have the virus. In addition residents of Kansas, Texas and California have developed symptoms, raising fears the outbreak could hit thousands more.

In London, a British Airways cabin crew member was admitted to hospital yesterday after arriving on a flight from Mexico City.

The flu combines genetic material from pigs, birds and humans in a way scientists have not seen before. The fact that many deaths are among young adults is a hallmark of pandemic flu. WHO says 12 of the Mexican cases have been laboratory confirmed as genetically identical to the swine flu virus detected in the US.

The global health body has said that so far there is no evidence of similar outbreaks elsewhere in the world. But it has advised other countries to look out following the discovery of related strains on both sides of the Mexico-US border. Further measures, such as travel restrictions, may be put in place if the virus spreads.

The virus appears to cause flu-like symptoms that can develop into severe pneumonia. Swine flu is endemic in pigs, but unlike bird flu is able to pass from human to human. There have been three major outbreaks around the world in the past century, including the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, in which the virus mutated into a human form in months, killing 50 million people worldwide.

A WHO spokesman said: "We are very, very concerned. We have what appears to be a novel virus and it has spread from human to human. It's all hands on deck at the moment.

"We do seem to have found incidents of the same illness on both sides of the border in various locations. We're not sure exactly of the transmission routes, where the initial infection came from, how efficient it is in transmitting."

WHO is also questioning why no one has died in the US so far, while there have been confirmed deaths in Mexico. Some parts of the Mexican capital, population 20 million, have ground to a standstill over the crisis. Most of the fatalities have occurred in the city. Mexican authorities have urged people to avoid hospitals unless they have a medical emergency. They also say the public should avoid customary greetings such as shaking hands or kissing.

At Mexico City's international airport, passengers were questioned to try to prevent anyone with flu symptoms from boarding aircraft and spreading the disease.

Mexico City officials said yesterday they are suspending all public events for another 10 days to try to contain the epidemic. A hotline set up the previous day fielded 2,366 calls from frightened city residents who suspected they might have the disease. The Mexican government has given the health department powers to isolate patients and inspect homes, incoming travellers and baggage.

The United Nations health agency has warned for several years that a new virus strain could spark an influenza pandemic that could sweep the globe, killing millions.

This outbreak is particularly alarming as deaths have occurred in at least four regions of Mexico and because the victims have not been vulnerable infants and elderly. The 1918 outbreak also first struck the young and healthy.

Scientists say the current seasonal flu vaccine is not believed to offer protection against this swine flu. But anti-viral drug Tamiflu appears to be fully effective against the H1N1 virus. However, WHO says it is too soon to advise drug firms to switch to producing a new vaccine.

What is a pandemic?

A pandemic is an epidemic of an infectious disease that spreads through populations across a region or across the globe. The criteria for a pandemic are that the disease is new, infects humans, like the swine flu virus, left, and causes serious illness and spreads easily. One major fear is that a virus will spread from birds or animals to humans, creating a new highly lethal strain.




this shit is crazy

[Chuck]

Everyone who doesn't want to catch the flu, it would appear. What makes this unique is that it is out of season for the regular flu that we worry about every winter. Ever caught a warm weather flu? Believe me, it's worse. It's the job of the CDC and WHO to worry about these things. They're not overreacting. They're just doing their jobs. I believe this shit can knock you on your ass for a month. A very painful month. In third world countries it can lead to lots of deaths. In our country it will just mean lots of missed work days. Hope you escorts have enough sick days in your work plan. You might need them all. Either that or find a temp clearical job until this shit blows over. Mimi, can you aswer phone calls without pissing off the person on the other end? Didn't think so LOL.

[mimiplastique]

Everyone who doesn't want to catch the flu, it would appear. What makes this unique is that it is out of season for the regular flu that we worry about every winter. Ever caught a warm weather flu? Believe me, it's worse. It's the job of the CDC and WHO to worry about these things. They're not overreacting. They're just doing their jobs. I believe this shit can knock you on your ass for a month. A very painful month. In third world countries it can lead to lots of deaths. In our country it will just mean lots of missed work days. Hope you escorts have enough sick days in your work plan. You might need them all. Either that or find a temp clearical job until this shit blows over. Mimi, can you aswer phone calls without pissing off the person on the other end? Didn't think so LOL.

what kind of a cheap shot was that
?
can you call without pissing me off ??? ah yea ... ...


now back to something MORE RELEVANT like the topic of a flu that is said to have pandemic potential
some ways to protect ourselfs
1. Wash Your Hands Frequently. It may sound obvious, but hand-washing with soap and water for around 20 seconds is the single best thing you can do (if you're going to go out into the world and interact with other human beings). The CDC estimates that 80 percent of all infections are spread by hands. If you can't wash your hands regularly, try hand-sanitizers with 60 percent alcohol content.

2. Practice "Social Distancing." That's the fancy term for staying away from other people if you're sick or if you're concerned that they may be infected. Again, it may sound obvious, but experts believe it's worth repeating: Isolation reduces your chances of getting infected or infecting others.

3. Recognize the Symptoms and Get Help. Swine flu symptoms are similar to regular flu: Fever, body aches, sore throat, cough, runny nose, vomiting, diarrhea, and lethargy. If you don't feel well, seek medical attention. The current swine flu is resistant to two of four antiviral drugs approved for combating the flu. Symmetrel and Flumadine are apparently no use against this strain but Tamiflu and Relenza appear to work.

What are the chances of a global pandemic? "The situation is uncertain and unpredictable and likely to be a marathon more than a sprint," says Dr. Richard Besser, acting director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

No doubt, swine flu will dominate headlines in the days ahead. Every case will be carefully tracked and deservedly so.

[mimiplastique]

i guess tranny dick is more important . Hmmm goes to show ...

[MacShreach]

Mmm...You read The Scotsman, Mimi?

[MacShreach]

i guess tranny dick is more important . Hmmm goes to show ...

No, I was just being a wiseacre. Sorry, Mimi.

As the article says, most flus kill older, weaker people and young children whose immune systems have not developed a defence. A pandemic flu like this will kill young, fit, healthy people because there is no established immunological defence. Think of it this way; all your life you get low-level exposure to viruses, and you build up immunity, so that if you get sufficient dose to begin an infection, your body can respond quickly. So young fit healthy people do better than people who are already weakened in another way. With a brand new virus, all bets are off and everyone is at risk.

You're right, personal hygiene is very important, but also if epidemic is reported where you are, you should avoid all forms of public transport, schools colleges and crowded workplaces, and buildings with air-conditioning, since even if only 20% of the total transmission is aerial, that's 100% in each individual case.

[mimiplastique]

thank you for the recap . WE ARE ALL GUNNA DIE !!!!!!!!!!!

[phobun]

i guess tranny dick is more important . Hmmm goes to show ...

I bet a flu won't make the average cockbandit practice social distancing. Even the risk of HIV won't change the practices of some of the bug-catchers who circulate.

[tsmandy]

I have been following news of the swine flu outbreak closely.

I read a book by Mike Davis "The Monster at our door" about the Avian influenza and influenza in general a couple of years ago and it scared the piss out of me.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

no disrespect but by July 4th no one will even be thinking about this shit, sad to say this but Mexico will cover up the thousands of coming deaths and the U.S. pharmaceutical indiustry will profit offering a placebo-like vaccine to everyone with a nervous twitch after shaking someone's hand (even though some brilliant South American company will already have it available for free by the time I click submit)

[GroobySteven]

no disrespect but by July 4th no one will even be thinking about this shit, sad to say this but Mexico will cover up the thousands of coming deaths and the U.S. pharmaceutical indiustry will profit offering a placebo-like vaccine to everyone with a nervous twitch after shaking someone's hand (even though some brilliant South American company will already have it available for free by the time I click submit)

:lol:

Exactly.
Remember the Asian bird flu? Ibola? Mad cow?
Stay at home Americans - don't travel - you might catch something.

[SarahG]

What worries me is that this outbreak has already gotten into the NYC public schooling system. Schools are notoriously bad at handling pandemics, just look at all the districts that ended up getting staph problems when that big outbreak happened a year or two ago now.

[SarahG]

no disrespect but by July 4th no one will even be thinking about this shit, sad to say this but Mexico will cover up the thousands of coming deaths and the U.S. pharmaceutical indiustry will profit offering a placebo-like vaccine to everyone with a nervous twitch after shaking someone's hand (even though some brilliant South American company will already have it available for free by the time I click submit)

:lol:

Exactly.
Remember the Asian bird flu? Ibola? Mad cow?
Stay at home Americans - don't travel - you might catch something.

I am inclined to think that the reason why Mad cow, as a problem, was kept under control was because of the sensationalist coverage of the disease. I say under control because this was one of those instances where Michael Moore was very very incorrect. In stupid white men he asserts that mad cow coupled with American burger addiction is the cause of Alzheimers- nothing could be further from the truth. When someone catches mad cow, they can actually pin point the date of exposure because we know so much about how the disease progresses.

[BLKGSXR]

no disrespect but by July 4th no one will even be thinking about this shit, sad to say this but Mexico will cover up the thousands of coming deaths and the U.S. pharmaceutical indiustry will profit offering a placebo-like vaccine to everyone with a nervous twitch after shaking someone's hand (even though some brilliant South American company will already have it available for free by the time I click submit)

:lol:

Exactly.
Remember the Asian bird flu? Ibola? Mad cow?
Stay at home Americans - don't travel - you might catch something.
its how the plague in the middle ages started. people didnt get FRESH air and in enclosed them to a small area where it was easier for them to get sickened and DIE!

[GroobySteven]

no disrespect but by July 4th no one will even be thinking about this shit, sad to say this but Mexico will cover up the thousands of coming deaths and the U.S. pharmaceutical indiustry will profit offering a placebo-like vaccine to everyone with a nervous twitch after shaking someone's hand (even though some brilliant South American company will already have it available for free by the time I click submit)

:lol:

Exactly.
Remember the Asian bird flu? Ibola? Mad cow?
Stay at home Americans - don't travel - you might catch something.
its how the plague in the middle ages started. people didnt get FRESH air and in enclosed them to a small area where it was easier for them to get sickened and DIE!

Erm, which books have you been reading. Fresh air has nothig to do with the spreading of the bubonic plague. It was spread by the fleas on rats.
Living in cramped conditions would have increased the risk but fresh air wouldn't have made a difference.

:oops:

[BLKGSXR]

no disrespect but by July 4th no one will even be thinking about this shit, sad to say this but Mexico will cover up the thousands of coming deaths and the U.S. pharmaceutical indiustry will profit offering a placebo-like vaccine to everyone with a nervous twitch after shaking someone's hand (even though some brilliant South American company will already have it available for free by the time I click submit)

:lol:

Exactly.
Remember the Asian bird flu? Ibola? Mad cow?
Stay at home Americans - don't travel - you might catch something.
its how the plague in the middle ages started. people didnt get FRESH air and in enclosed them to a small area where it was easier for them to get sickened and DIE!

Erm, which books have you been reading. Fresh air has nothig to do with the spreading of the bubonic plague. It was spread by the fleas on rats.
Living in cramped conditions would have increased the risk but fresh air wouldn't have made a difference.

:oops:well from what I remember from 9th grade is that people would wear masks covering their entire face and some other bullshit I may be wrong, but the fresh air thing was something they needed yet they stayed isolated from each other...im just comparing the bubonic plague to swine because what you said about stay at home americans.

[GroobySteven]

no disrespect but by July 4th no one will even be thinking about this shit, sad to say this but Mexico will cover up the thousands of coming deaths and the U.S. pharmaceutical indiustry will profit offering a placebo-like vaccine to everyone with a nervous twitch after shaking someone's hand (even though some brilliant South American company will already have it available for free by the time I click submit)

:lol:

Exactly.
Remember the Asian bird flu? Ibola? Mad cow?
Stay at home Americans - don't travel - you might catch something.
its how the plague in the middle ages started. people didnt get FRESH air and in enclosed them to a small area where it was easier for them to get sickened and DIE!

Erm, which books have you been reading. Fresh air has nothig to do with the spreading of the bubonic plague. It was spread by the fleas on rats.
Living in cramped conditions would have increased the risk but fresh air wouldn't have made a difference.

:oops:well from what I remember from 9th grade is that people would wear masks covering their entire face and some other bullshit I may be wrong, but the fresh air thing was something they needed yet they stayed isolated from each other...im just comparing the bubonic plague to swine because what you said about stay at home americans.

Not wanting to say anything about the quality of US education but ... you are correct they did wear masks to cover there faces but it didn't work (hence, the Great Plague). It's also where the nursery rhyme "Ring a Ring of Roses" comes from, from the practice of holding flowers to the nose so "putrid air" couldn't come in ... "atishoo, atishoo", we all fall down (dead).

My comment about "stay at home" was actually being sarcastic and not recommending anyone to stay in "their house" but more a case, of, if American tourists didn't need another excuse not to travel (and keep their money in the country) they've got it now.

[BLKGSXR]

dont worry seanchai.US education in public schools suck.-Opinion i finished school at 16 because I truly hated going.So I got a GED- Equivalent to diploma....But back to the subject-Swine flu,who else thinks this isnt as bad as they make it seem to be.

[SarahG]

no disrespect but by July 4th no one will even be thinking about this shit, sad to say this but Mexico will cover up the thousands of coming deaths and the U.S. pharmaceutical indiustry will profit offering a placebo-like vaccine to everyone with a nervous twitch after shaking someone's hand (even though some brilliant South American company will already have it available for free by the time I click submit)

:lol:

Exactly.
Remember the Asian bird flu? Ibola? Mad cow?
Stay at home Americans - don't travel - you might catch something.
its how the plague in the middle ages started. people didnt get FRESH air and in enclosed them to a small area where it was easier for them to get sickened and DIE!

Erm, which books have you been reading. Fresh air has nothig to do with the spreading of the bubonic plague. It was spread by the fleas on rats.
Living in cramped conditions would have increased the risk but fresh air wouldn't have made a difference.

:oops:

Actually there has been some debate as to whether or not the rat-flea theory is valid. I remember an article a few years ago that was speculating that the black death was really a disease similar to Ebola, only with a 2-week incubation period (meaning everyone you interact with would be exposed to the disease, you'll be contagious, but showing no symptoms for two weeks). If I remember the jist of the article right, bubonic plague was a separate disease that had its share of epidemics in history, but had different symptoms than those described by the original accounts of the first black death in the dark ages, and some of the towns/regions hit by the black death did not have local rat populations to spread the disease.

I do recall reading in highschool history, which is not known for its accuracy, that the nobles did flea to the countryside to try to survive the plague, with mixed results. Surely being in an unsanitary, rat infested city in the mist of the plague wasn't going to make your survival odds any better...

[GroobySteven]

no disrespect but by July 4th no one will even be thinking about this shit, sad to say this but Mexico will cover up the thousands of coming deaths and the U.S. pharmaceutical indiustry will profit offering a placebo-like vaccine to everyone with a nervous twitch after shaking someone's hand (even though some brilliant South American company will already have it available for free by the time I click submit)

:lol:

Exactly.
Remember the Asian bird flu? Ibola? Mad cow?
Stay at home Americans - don't travel - you might catch something.
its how the plague in the middle ages started. people didnt get FRESH air and in enclosed them to a small area where it was easier for them to get sickened and DIE!

Erm, which books have you been reading. Fresh air has nothig to do with the spreading of the bubonic plague. It was spread by the fleas on rats.
Living in cramped conditions would have increased the risk but fresh air wouldn't have made a difference.

:oops:

Actually there has been some debate as to whether or not the rat-flea theory is valid. I remember an article a few years ago that was speculating that the black death was really a disease similar to Ebola, only with a 2-week incubation period (meaning everyone you interact with would be exposed to the disease, you'll be contagious, but showing no symptoms for two weeks). If I remember the jist of the article right, bubonic plague was a separate disease that had its share of epidemics in history, but had different symptoms than those described by the original accounts of the first black death in the dark ages, and some of the towns/regions hit by the black death did not have local rat populations to spread the disease.

I do recall reading in highschool history, which is not known for its accuracy, that the nobles did flea to the countryside to try to survive the plague, with mixed results. Surely being in an unsanitary, rat infested city in the mist of the plague wasn't going to make your survival odds any better...

Yeah I scan read something to that affect also.

I've been to villages in England where they left money in the streams to pay for food being brought in as the villages were quaranteened in the 1600's (!?!)

[thx1138]

America is ready to defend against the swine flu breakout. Those bugs haven't a chance against advanced weaponry

[thx1138]

Big Pharma to rake in million$ http://uk.reuters.com/article/governmentFilingsNews/idUKN2445216420090424

[thx1138]

Florida mobilizes to defend America: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/broward/breaking-news/story/1016140.html

[hippifried]

According to Mayor Bloomberg, the New York "outbreak" is contained to one private school. So far, there's 19 confirmed cases nationwide, in 4 States. All mild cases.

There's a lot of hue & cry about the spread in Mexico. Nobody says where in Mexico, so I'm going to assume they're talking about Mexico City. It's extremely dense, with population estimates from 30 to 50 million. Second only to Tokyo, last I heard, with huge squallid slums. They're packed like sardines into the crater of a dormant volcano. Point is that the epidemic could have been going on for a month or more before anybody noticed it wasn't the common cold. Total death toll is what, around 80? Do the math before the decision to panic. People die from influenza every year. If you have symptoms, you should stay home.


Bubonic Plague is still around. It's bacterial, & we know it's spread through fluids. Ebola is viral, rare, & also spread by fluids. Both are endemic only to areas with little or no knowlege of sanitation or how the disease is spread, like 16th century Europe. They had all kinds of fluid borne pandemics before somebody finally discovered germs & started cleaning things up. We take sewer systems & pest control for granted.

Spongiform encephalitis (mad cow) has nothing to do with germs at all. It's a protien mutation. It's molecular. Quit feeding livestock to each other & it goes away.

Okay. I'm going to go hide under my bed now.

[tstv_lover]

Pandemic alert over deadly swine flu


Thanks for raising this Mimi, and it certainly is a world-wide issue.

New Zealand news is dominated by story of 10 teenagers from local school who recently returned from trip to Mexico and have tested positive. Their symptoms are reported to be mild, but one of the accompanying teachers has been to hospital.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10568788&ref=rss

[thx1138]

Obama will protect us all.

[Faldur]

Only way to ensure you don't catch it...

http://radio.weblogs.com/0001014/images/2003/03/20/headUpAss.jpg

[trish]

Well I have no idea what this has to do with Obama, but I do believe those inclined to religiosity and faith based cures (whether the faith is placed in God or in the Free Market rather than in ourselves) voted against him.

Hippiefried is correct in observing the flu virus has very little in common with bubonic bacillus, or the prions that are responsible for spongiform encephalitis. Sarah mentioned the susceptibility of schools. Schools should be on their guard, both K-12 and institutions of higher education. Students (especially college students) are notorious at not taking care of themselves, not getting enough sleep and at showing little care in exposing others to whatever contagion they have at the moment. Still 19 cases of flu is no cause for panic. If it weren’t a particularly nasty flu it wouldn’t even be a cause of mild concern. If you are concerned, take the usual precautions, wash your hands, avoid crowds, etc. If you have a flu, stay away from me! 

[mimiplastique]

Obama will protect us all.

i am sorry but this picture is offensive and totally out of line .

[phobun]

no disrespect but by July 4th no one will even be thinking about this shit, sad to say this but Mexico will cover up the thousands of coming deaths and the U.S. pharmaceutical indiustry will profit offering a placebo-like vaccine to everyone with a nervous twitch after shaking someone's hand (even though some brilliant South American company will already have it available for free by the time I click submit)

:lol:

Exactly.
Remember the Asian bird flu? Ibola? Mad cow?
Stay at home Americans - don't travel - you might catch something.
its how the plague in the middle ages started. people didnt get FRESH air and in enclosed them to a small area where it was easier for them to get sickened and DIE!

Erm, which books have you been reading. Fresh air has nothig to do with the spreading of the bubonic plague. It was spread by the fleas on rats.
Living in cramped conditions would have increased the risk but fresh air wouldn't have made a difference.

:oops:well from what I remember from 9th grade is that people would wear masks covering their entire face and some other bullshit I may be wrong, but the fresh air thing was something they needed yet they stayed isolated from each other...im just comparing the bubonic plague to swine because what you said about stay at home americans.

Not wanting to say anything about the quality of US education but ...

HILARIOUS

[phobun]

I do recall reading in highschool history, which is not known for its accuracy, that the nobles did flea to the countryside

Very clever, very clever. Although I doubt the pun was intentional.

[phobun]

America is ready to defend against the swine flu breakout. Those bugs haven't a chance against advanced weaponry

Those are Mexican cops dipshit. Look at the flag on their arms.
Time to turn the Alex Jones radio hour down...
http://www.hungangels.com/board/files/ready_to_defend_america_from_swine_flu_278.jpg

[phobun]

Hippiefried is correct in observing the flu virus has very little in common with bubonic bacillus, or the prions that are responsible for spongiform encephalitis. Sarah mentioned the susceptibility of schools. Schools should be on their guard, both K-12 and institutions of higher education. Students (especially college students) are notorious at not taking care of themselves, not getting enough sleep and at showing little care in exposing others to whatever contagion they have at the moment. Still 19 cases of flu is no cause for panic. If it weren’t a particularly nasty flu it wouldn’t even be a cause of mild concern. If you are concerned, take the usual precautions, wash your hands, avoid crowds, etc. If you have a flu, stay away from me! 

You're no ball of fire...

[NYBURBS]

I ate pork and then sucked off a mexican last week, so I'm pretty sure I've built up an immunity.....


j/k ppl, lol 8)

[thx1138]

Offensive? This is HA where nothing is offensive. Besides lampooning has a long and noble tradition here in the US and elsewhere.

[thx1138]

Alex Jones? Conspiracy theory? I did not imply the gripe porcino was bio engineered at Ft. Dettrick, Md. I'll leave that to you to do the research.

[trish]

Phobun (google it) writes:

You're no ball of fire...

Well, we all can’t be Draenei Shamen from the World of Warcraft. LOL

[phobun]

Alex Jones? Conspiracy theory? I did not imply the gripe porcino was bio engineered at Ft. Dettrick, Md. I'll leave that to you to do the research.

You are one paranoid motherfucker.

[thx1138]

Name calling? That's all you can do. Ad hominem attacks. BTW: The government of Mexico is HEAVILY subsidized by the US taxpayer so in essence they're working for US. Besides most US soldiers are over in the middle east fighting "al Qaeda".

[BLKGSXR]

Alex Jones? Conspiracy theory? I did not imply the gripe porcino was bio engineered at Ft. Dettrick, Md. I'll leave that to you to do the research.

You are one paranoid motherfucker.and your a TROLL but we all knew that...Stating obvious shit Of course. fucking prick.

[phobun]

Alex Jones? Conspiracy theory? I did not imply the gripe porcino was bio engineered at Ft. Dettrick, Md. I'll leave that to you to do the research.

You are one paranoid motherfucker.and your a TROLL but we all knew that...Stating obvious shit Of course. fucking prick.
Yes I was stating obvious shit.
Chefmike had him pegged as a paranoid conspiracy theorist long ago.
If I'm a troll, why do you bother to lose your cool and reply to me?
And I might be a prick, but don't you like pricks?

[BLKGSXR]

What the Fuck! dude you need some lessons on Stfu it may help you.

[MacShreach]

Chefmike had him pegged as a paranoid conspiracy theorist long ago.


I remember that. More recent evidence was in the "Did we Actually Land on The Moon (DUUUH)" thread.

[MacShreach]

BLKGSXR
Junior Poster



Joined: 11 Mar 2009
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Quite the post-rate you have there.

[Rogers]

no disrespect but by July 4th no one will even be thinking about this shit, sad to say this but Mexico will cover up the thousands of coming deaths and the U.S. pharmaceutical indiustry will profit offering a placebo-like vaccine to everyone with a nervous twitch after shaking someone's hand (even though some brilliant South American company will already have it available for free by the time I click submit)

:lol:

Exactly.
Remember the Asian bird flu? Ibola? Mad cow?
Stay at home Americans - don't travel - you might catch something.

I am inclined to think that the reason why Mad cow, as a problem, was kept under control was because of the sensationalist coverage of the disease. I say under control because this was one of those instances where Michael Moore was very very incorrect. In stupid white men he asserts that mad cow coupled with American burger addiction is the cause of Alzheimers- nothing could be further from the truth. When someone catches mad cow, they can actually pin point the date of exposure because we know so much about how the disease progresses.

They simply don't know the average incubation time for vCJD yet. Like a lot of illnesses possibly caused by chronic infections, e.g. M.S., the host can be well for decades before showing signs.
http://sacfs.asn.au/download/Nicolson_6LabMedicine2008ss.pdf
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=358295

There is a lot of debate about what causes Alzheimer's, but as Moore has suggested a diet high in red meat, which causes imflammation in the body, will most definitely not help prevent someone from developing it. There are ALWAYS grains of truth in the "stories" that Moore tells. M.S. (a neurodegenerative disease just like Alzheimer's) is rare in aboriginal peoples (e.g. Inuits) and patients with it who have cut farmed foods (fatty meat and diary) out of their diet have claimed amazing improvements.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15474976
http://darwinstable.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/the-paleo-diet-and-multiple-sclerosis/

[Rogers]

Alex Jones? Conspiracy theory? I did not imply the gripe porcino was bio engineered at Ft. Dettrick, Md. I'll leave that to you to do the research.

You are one paranoid motherfucker.and your a TROLL but we all knew that...Stating obvious shit Of course. fucking prick.

Best post I've read since returning. :lol: :lol: :lol: I'd use it as a sig. but it's too big.

Phobun reminds me of Crayons, what with the trolling, general homophobia, and gorgeous chick avatar. As for thx1138, he seems to have gone A.W.O.L. from the P&R forum for some reason... awww, you're no fun. :cry:

[MacShreach]

Phobun reminds me of Crayons, what with the trolling, general homophobia, and gorgeous chick avatar. :

No, Crayons was a vicious, sniping, flaming queen who kept up the ludicrous pretence of being a woman even when he was well and truly outed and the only person left here who didn't crack up laughing at the concept was poor Suckseed, who was just living in hope (whatever happened to Suckseed?--he was a nice guy.)

Phobun is blunt, but not a troll.

[lupinIII]

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/swine_flu.png

[mimiplastique]

i am glad that this is so funny to you all ... keep laughing ... just keep a laptop near for when the government comes to quarantine that ass .

[alyssats]

this swine flu thing is scary most airports now are kinda strict with incomming passengers. 145+ died in Maexico already goshhh

[SarahG]

no disrespect but by July 4th no one will even be thinking about this shit, sad to say this but Mexico will cover up the thousands of coming deaths and the U.S. pharmaceutical indiustry will profit offering a placebo-like vaccine to everyone with a nervous twitch after shaking someone's hand (even though some brilliant South American company will already have it available for free by the time I click submit)

:lol:

Exactly.
Remember the Asian bird flu? Ibola? Mad cow?
Stay at home Americans - don't travel - you might catch something.

I am inclined to think that the reason why Mad cow, as a problem, was kept under control was because of the sensationalist coverage of the disease. I say under control because this was one of those instances where Michael Moore was very very incorrect. In stupid white men he asserts that mad cow coupled with American burger addiction is the cause of Alzheimers- nothing could be further from the truth. When someone catches mad cow, they can actually pin point the date of exposure because we know so much about how the disease progresses.

They simply don't know the average incubation time for vCJD yet. Like a lot of illnesses possibly caused by chronic infections, e.g. M.S., the host can be well for decades before showing signs.
http://sacfs.asn.au/download/Nicolson_6LabMedicine2008ss.pdf
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=358295

There is a lot of debate about what causes Alzheimer's, but as Moore has suggested a diet high in red meat, which causes imflammation in the body, will most definitely not help prevent someone from developing it. There are ALWAYS grains of truth in the "stories" that Moore tells. M.S. (a neurodegenerative disease just like Alzheimer's) is rare in aboriginal peoples (e.g. Inuits) and patients with it who have cut farmed foods (fatty meat and diary) out of their diet have claimed amazing improvements.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15474976
http://darwinstable.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/the-paleo-diet-and-multiple-sclerosis/

The interesting thing there; isn't buffalo meat a red meat? If this was simply a by product of a diet rich in red meat, I would have expected the Plains Indians to have had similar problems.

[thx1138]

I just love the way phobun and others throw around the term "paranoid". Like he and chefmike went to a medical school to learn about and diagnose abnormal psychology from postings on a transgender chatboard. Then went on to do post grad work to earn their state issued certificates. Hell, we're talking about a couple of guys (inbreds, most likely) that barely finished 8th grade and they think they can determine who's mentally ill and who isn't. The height of arrogance to say the least.

[thx1138]

If you stood up more allowing the blood reach your brain and got a tan perhaps your thinking processes would improve thus diminishing your anti social tendencies.

[hippifried]

There is a lot of debate about what causes Alzheimer's, but as Moore has suggested a diet high in red meat, which causes imflammation in the body, will most definitely not help prevent someone from developing it. There are ALWAYS grains of truth in the "stories" that Moore tells. M.S. (a neurodegenerative disease just like Alzheimer's) is rare in aboriginal peoples (e.g. Inuits) and patients with it who have cut farmed foods (fatty meat and diary) out of their diet have claimed amazing improvements.Hmmm. I thought a link had been found between alzheimers & aluminum buildup in the blood & fatty tissues of the body. It's been a while since I read about this, & I just don't remember where. Do we have a clue what happens to our bodies with imbalances in the metal content?

There's so many ways to get sick & die...

Influenza is a continuous pandemic. It's branched into several strains & they're all evolving. It's a problem, but it's not a death sentence. It can all be tracked back to the waterfowl breedeing grounds in the arctic. We can nuke Alaska or Lappland, but how much of the natural world are we willing to destroy to ease an annual discomfort? Maybe we're looking in the wrong direction, & should be trying to figure out why the geese & ducks don't get sick. But then again, I feel confident in my assumption that I'm not the only one who's thought of it. There's some smart folks at the CDC.

There's things that are a whole lot nastier than the flu. I remember the polio epidemic in the '50s. Every neighborhood had at least 1 kid in braces. It's a slow acting debilitative muscular disease that's always fatal. It's almost gone. Smallpox IS gone. It's amazing what can be done when we don't get bogged down in the financing. A few years ago, a Brazillian research clinic had very promising clinical human trials on an HIV vaccine that was individually genetically tailored. It can be fixed, but it's cost prohibitive & won't get cheaper until somebody comes up with an inexpensive DNA reader. Everything's jumbled these days, including our priorities, but that may not be a bad thing. I can easily see the key to curing AIDS coming from some geek with a degree in graphic design & a high score in GTA or WoWC. Pandemic pandamonium. Ain't it fun?

[dduptown]

The zombie apocalypse is coming!!

[Distance]

Mexico's just been hit with an earthquake. Consequence: office workers stayed outside their offices as a...safety measure - how ironic. This is going to help the virus spreading faster, obviously.

[Rogers]

no disrespect but by July 4th no one will even be thinking about this shit, sad to say this but Mexico will cover up the thousands of coming deaths and the U.S. pharmaceutical indiustry will profit offering a placebo-like vaccine to everyone with a nervous twitch after shaking someone's hand (even though some brilliant South American company will already have it available for free by the time I click submit)

:lol:

Exactly.
Remember the Asian bird flu? Ibola? Mad cow?
Stay at home Americans - don't travel - you might catch something.

I am inclined to think that the reason why Mad cow, as a problem, was kept under control was because of the sensationalist coverage of the disease. I say under control because this was one of those instances where Michael Moore was very very incorrect. In stupid white men he asserts that mad cow coupled with American burger addiction is the cause of Alzheimers- nothing could be further from the truth. When someone catches mad cow, they can actually pin point the date of exposure because we know so much about how the disease progresses.

They simply don't know the average incubation time for vCJD yet. Like a lot of illnesses possibly caused by chronic infections, e.g. M.S., the host can be well for decades before showing signs.
http://sacfs.asn.au/download/Nicolson_6LabMedicine2008ss.pdf
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=358295

There is a lot of debate about what causes Alzheimer's, but as Moore has suggested a diet high in red meat, which causes imflammation in the body, will most definitely not help prevent someone from developing it. There are ALWAYS grains of truth in the "stories" that Moore tells. M.S. (a neurodegenerative disease just like Alzheimer's) is rare in aboriginal peoples (e.g. Inuits) and patients with it who have cut farmed foods (fatty meat and diary) out of their diet have claimed amazing improvements.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15474976
http://darwinstable.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/the-paleo-diet-and-multiple-sclerosis/

The interesting thing there; isn't buffalo meat a red meat? If this was simply a by product of a diet rich in red meat, I would have expected the Plains Indians to have had similar problems.

Wild meat is much leaner than farmed, simply because the beast has to do much more excercise to find both its own food and to avoid being eaten itself. How the meat is prepared is also important. Traditionally, aboriginals don't over consume either, unlike fat Westerners. It's both the type AND quantity of fats you eat that counts.

"Why fats? Myelin is rich in polyunsaturated fatty acids, such as the omega-6 and omega-3 fatty acids, which are essential for brain and nerve development and function."
http://www.thenutritionreporter.com/MS-Polio_of_the_90s.html

"High sensitivity to fats suggests that saturated animal fats are directly involved in the genesis of multiple sclerosis."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1804476

[loveburst]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IhrIbIts-8&feature=related

[Rogers]

There is a lot of debate about what causes Alzheimer's, but as Moore has suggested a diet high in red meat, which causes imflammation in the body, will most definitely not help prevent someone from developing it. There are ALWAYS grains of truth in the "stories" that Moore tells. M.S. (a neurodegenerative disease just like Alzheimer's) is rare in aboriginal peoples (e.g. Inuits) and patients with it who have cut farmed foods (fatty meat and diary) out of their diet have claimed amazing improvements.
Hmmm. I thought a link had been found between alzheimers & aluminum buildup in the blood & fatty tissues of the body. It's been a while since I read about this, & I just don't remember where. Do we have a clue what happens to our bodies with imbalances in the metal content?

There's so many ways to get sick & die...

Influenza is a continuous pandemic. It's branched into several strains & they're all evolving. It's a problem, but it's not a death sentence. It can all be tracked back to the waterfowl breedeing grounds in the arctic. We can nuke Alaska or Lappland, but how much of the natural world are we willing to destroy to ease an annual discomfort? Maybe we're looking in the wrong direction, & should be trying to figure out why the geese & ducks don't get sick. But then again, I feel confident in my assumption that I'm not the only one who's thought of it. There's some smart folks at the CDC.

There's things that are a whole lot nastier than the flu. I remember the polio epidemic in the '50s. Every neighborhood had at least 1 kid in braces. It's a slow acting debilitative muscular disease that's always fatal. It's almost gone. Smallpox IS gone. It's amazing what can be done when we don't get bogged down in the financing. A few years ago, a Brazillian research clinic had very promising clinical human trials on an HIV vaccine that was individually genetically tailored. It can be fixed, but it's cost prohibitive & won't get cheaper until somebody comes up with an inexpensive DNA reader. Everything's jumbled these days, including our priorities, but that may not be a bad thing. I can easily see the key to curing AIDS coming from some geek with a degree in graphic design & a high score in GTA or WoWC. Pandemic pandamonium. Ain't it fun?

The problem with the metals hypothesis is that we don't know if that's a cause or a consequence of the illness. Disease processes screw up the way the body uses metals. But loads of things can go wrong if you have metal imbalances in your body for whatever reason, even severe mental illness. I've even read it suggested that Polio does the damage it does by the loss of magnesium (third or fourth most important mineral in the body) it causes in the bones.
http://alzheimers.org.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?documentID=99
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2578829

[Solitary Brother]

I for one hope this "outbreak" is stopped but they are ALREADY saying it wont be contained its already in multiple countries.
People should not blame Mexicans for this as its origin as far as we know came from Mexico.
This is a virus and there are many viruses out there .........most dont kill you.
However I think due to our illegal immigration problem the disease will spread.
Every illegal immigrant coming from Mexico now may be a walking talking smart bomb infecting whoever may be in their path.
Many will come to try and get the free medical treatment of course infecting doctors and nurses and hospital workers.
The whole illegal immigration situation is coming to a head but commerce comes first hence the 30 million illegals but I digress.
If you look back in time the last major outbreak killed 21 million people world wide.
Quite a population control tool isnt it?
I have all sorts of theories swirling around in my head about the origins of this plague and why now and so forth.
I tend to look past the overt and search for the covert.

Have a good evening.

[tstv_lover]

Good to see this has finally tracked back to the original post.

Yes it's really out there but I don't think illegal immigrants has anything to do with the spead. There are 10 schoolkids in isolation in Auckland, New Zealand - thankfully they're all making a good recovery. I know one of the parents and they're stuck at home worried with their son.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10569068

Of course we should not be overly alarmist - however don't ignore the problem either. It's spread because people travel internationally and diseases travel with them.

It's all about being aware and seeking early treatment if any symptoms are detected. Fortunately anti-viral medication seems to be working. The real concern is that the disease will mutate.

New Zealand is a little country on the other side of the world from US and Mexico. If it can spread here then it can spread anywhere.

[trish]

The swine flu of the early twentieth century is a very different strain from the one that’s making the current rounds. Viruses are very quick to evolve. Heraclites claims you can’t step into the same river twice and for the same reason it’s impossible for a population to dip its feet into the same flu two years running. Although Mexico reports a disconcertingly high death rate due to this flu, no other country reports such virulence. Solitary Brother intimates the virus was engineered for population control. I fail to see the efficacy of using an airborne contagion to control a neighbor’s population, as it will inevitably spread across the border. An alternative conspiracy theory would be the virus was designed to be nasty but not terribly virulent in order to step up populist pressure against immigration across our southern border. Yet, the largest breakout in the U.S. traces its origin to vacationing students and not to immigrants. Seems like poor planning on the part of the conspirators. Dozens of new viruses evolve and sweep the globe every year. Some of them are mild and others are quite nasty. There are so many, we can’t inoculate against all of them. We make intelligent guesses as to which ones will spread fastest and cause the most harm and inoculate against those. To date there is no known scientific evidence that the current swine flu was designed. My tendency is to follow Occam: if the overt explanation works (evolution), there is no need for a covert explanation (design).

[phobun]

Phobun reminds me of Crayons, what with the trolling, general homophobia, and gorgeous chick avatar. :

No, Crayons was a vicious, sniping, flaming queen who kept up the ludicrous pretence of being a woman even when he was well and truly outed and the only person left here who didn't crack up laughing at the concept was poor Suckseed, who was just living in hope (whatever happened to Suckseed?--he was a nice guy.)

Phobun is blunt, but not a troll.

Thanks man. Just because I don't agree with 99% of the mindless frothing cockbandits and toadies doesn't make me a troll.

[phobun]

I for one hope this "outbreak" is stopped but they are ALREADY saying it wont be contained its already in multiple countries.
People should not blame Mexicans for this as its origin as far as we know came from Mexico.
This rambling and discoherent post of yours is almost nonsensical.

This is a virus and there are many viruses out there .........most dont kill you.
There are some theories though about mental illness and viruses though...

However I think due to our illegal immigration problem the disease will spread.
Every illegal immigrant coming from Mexico now may be a walking talking smart bomb infecting whoever may be in their path.
Many will come to try and get the free medical treatment of course infecting doctors and nurses and hospital workers.
The whole illegal immigration situation is coming to a head but commerce comes first hence the 30 million illegals but I digress.
Wait, didn't you just write "People should not blame Mexicans for this as its origin as far as we know came from Mexico."

If you look back in time the last major outbreak killed 21 million people world wide.
Quite a population control tool isnt it?
Paranoid. Get in touch with thx1138.
If you are referring to the Great Flu which killed at least 21 million in 1918, when the world's population was about 1.8 billion, that was just over 1% of the population. Not a very effective population control device, and one that, once unleashed, is not very discriminating or controlled.

I have all sorts of theories swirling around in my head about the origins of this plague and why now and so forth.
I tend to look past the overt and search for the covert.
Look for the conspiracy in everything and you will find it.

[Rogers]

My tendency is to follow Occam: if the overt explanation works (evolution), there is no need for a covert explanation (design).

And there sits the problem, trish. Too many Americans just don't believe in Evolution, but do believe in Creationism and Intelligent Design, U.F.O.'s and Illuminati, End Times and Rapture, Lizard and Crab people, etc., etc.. You really don't find this level of conspiratorial talk elsewhere in the World. It's a hangover from the persecuted and consequently untrusting religious minorities that flocked to the U.S.. Selective breeding perhaps?

Listen to Billy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH40zaUxTTE

[phobun]

My tendency is to follow Occam: if the overt explanation works (evolution), there is no need for a covert explanation (design).

And there sits the problem, trish. Too many Americans just don't believe in Evolution, but do believe in Creationism and Intelligent Design, U.F.O.'s and Illuminati, End Times and Rapture, Lizard and Crab people, etc., etc.. You really don't find this level of conspiratorial talk elsewhere in the World. It's a hangover from the persecuted and consequently untrusting religious minorities that flocked to the U.S.. Selective breeding perhaps?

Listen to Billy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH40zaUxTTE
This willingness to believe in something one cannot prove, whether reptilian humanoids, Illuminati or conspiracies, is not specific to the U.S. The Aum Shinrikyo cult and David Icke's followers, as well as the foreign success of cults that originated in the US, such as Scientology, are examples. Some people, no matter what their national origin, have a need for spirituality, and if they reject the monotheistic or dominant myths and belief systems, they will grab on to something else.

[phobun]

I just love the way phobun and others throw around the term "paranoid".
Sure, there is Chefmike who has called you paranoid, but who are the "others"?

You're resentful because you're tired of hearing that charge. But perhaps it's true?

[timxxx]

:wink:

[Rogers]

My tendency is to follow Occam: if the overt explanation works (evolution), there is no need for a covert explanation (design).

And there sits the problem, trish. Too many Americans just don't believe in Evolution, but do believe in Creationism and Intelligent Design, U.F.O.'s and Illuminati, End Times and Rapture, Lizard and Crab people, etc., etc.. You really don't find this level of conspiratorial talk elsewhere in the World. It's a hangover from the persecuted and consequently untrusting religious minorities that flocked to the U.S.. Selective breeding perhaps?

Listen to Billy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH40zaUxTTE
This willingness to believe in something one cannot prove, whether reptilian humanoids, Illuminati or conspiracies, is not specific to the U.S. The Aum Shinrikyo cult and David Icke's followers, as well as the foreign success of cults that originated in the US, such as Scientology, are examples. Some people, no matter what their national origin, have a need for spirituality, and if they reject the monotheistic or dominant myths and belief systems, they will grab on to something else.

I wasn't talking about cults, Phobun. All religions' start off as cults, and religion and spirituality are not peculiar to the States. I was however refering to the fear that many Americans' seem to have that their OWN government is actively seeking to do them harm. Like I said,


You really don't find this level of conspiratorial talk elsewhere in the World.

"Starting in the 1980s, extraterrestrials began to appear at the summits of these conspiracy-theory hierarchies, a process accelerated by the Internet's anarchic dissemination and recombination of myths and rumors. The resulting "improvisational millennialism" has yielded any number of baroque "superconspiracies" (one theory yokes together UFOs, the Gestapo, the Mafia and the Wobblies), but Barkun contends there are serious repercussions. As New World Order themes have infiltrated the previously apolitical UFO subculture, he argues, they have become more respectable and widespread: racialist and anti-Semitic ideologies have resurfaced in the coded guise of alien cabals, and a vast popular audience has been introduced by Hollywood to the notion that the government is a totalitarian clique in black helicopters-a view once confined to right-wing extremists."
http://www.amazon.com/Culture-Conspiracy-Apocalyptic-Contemporary-Comparative/dp/0520248120/ref=pd_sim_b_1#

[phobun]

My tendency is to follow Occam: if the overt explanation works (evolution), there is no need for a covert explanation (design).

And there sits the problem, trish. Too many Americans just don't believe in Evolution, but do believe in Creationism and Intelligent Design, U.F.O.'s and Illuminati, End Times and Rapture, Lizard and Crab people, etc., etc.. You really don't find this level of conspiratorial talk elsewhere in the World. It's a hangover from the persecuted and consequently untrusting religious minorities that flocked to the U.S.. Selective breeding perhaps?

Listen to Billy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH40zaUxTTE
This willingness to believe in something one cannot prove, whether reptilian humanoids, Illuminati or conspiracies, is not specific to the U.S. The Aum Shinrikyo cult and David Icke's followers, as well as the foreign success of cults that originated in the US, such as Scientology, are examples. Some people, no matter what their national origin, have a need for spirituality, and if they reject the monotheistic or dominant myths and belief systems, they will grab on to something else.

I wasn't talking about cults, Phobun. All religions' start off as cults, and religion and spirituality are not peculiar to the States. I was however refering to the fear that many Americans' seem to have that their OWN government is actively seeking to do them harm. Like I said,

I would describe these folks who believe in repitilian humanoid space aliens, the Illuminati and conspiracies as cult-minded. I doubt David Icke would describe himself as a cult leader, but to maintain such beliefs, one must have faith, and this reliance on faith places these beliefs within a religious paradigm, one to which they are insanely devoted.

Yet this sort of person is exactly who you describe, someone whose fear of their own government ultimately manifests as paranoid conspiracy mongering.


You really don't find this level of conspiratorial talk elsewhere in the World.

This I don't believe. Conspiracy talk and fear of the government is rife wherever people feel powerless, especially the middle east. Even in western Canada, there are people would would rival any Black-Helicopter-minded-survivialist in the US.


"Starting in the 1980s, extraterrestrials began to appear at the summits of these conspiracy-theory hierarchies, a process accelerated by the Internet's anarchic dissemination and recombination of myths and rumors. The resulting "improvisational millennialism" has yielded any number of baroque "superconspiracies" (one theory yokes together UFOs, the Gestapo, the Mafia and the Wobblies), but Barkun contends there are serious repercussions. As New World Order themes have infiltrated the previously apolitical UFO subculture, he argues, they have become more respectable and widespread: racialist and anti-Semitic ideologies have resurfaced in the coded guise of alien cabals, and a vast popular audience has been introduced by Hollywood to the notion that the government is a totalitarian clique in black helicopters-a view once confined to right-wing extremists."
http://www.amazon.com/Culture-Conspiracy-Apocalyptic-Contemporary-Comparative/dp/0520248120/ref=pd_sim_b_1#

A quote from Amazon, impressive. But the author is essentially describing David Icke and his fellow travelers. David Icke, who has contrived and promoted much of this gibberish, is from England but popular among nutters throughout the English speaking world.

[NYBURBS]

:wink:

LOL dude that picture you posted is epic hahahaha

[NYBURBS]

My tendency is to follow Occam: if the overt explanation works (evolution), there is no need for a covert explanation (design).

And there sits the problem, trish. Too many Americans just don't believe in Evolution, but do believe in Creationism and Intelligent Design, U.F.O.'s and Illuminati, End Times and Rapture, Lizard and Crab people, etc., etc.. You really don't find this level of conspiratorial talk elsewhere in the World. It's a hangover from the persecuted and consequently untrusting religious minorities that flocked to the U.S.. Selective breeding perhaps?

Listen to Billy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH40zaUxTTE

Not that many people here believe in creationism, and to be quite honest many countries (including ones in Europe) still have official churches, which makes one wonder a bit. Yes there is a segment of our population that is deeply religious to such an extent that it blinds them, but like most things in the US it depends on what region you are in. The mid-Atlantic, north east, and western areas of the US don't tend to be extremely religious on the whole; the south and midwest as a general rule seem to hold religion in much higher esteem.

As for the conspiracy theorists, I think it's true that many of them go overboard with their assertions. However, there is usually some grain of truth to many of these allegations; our government also has a checkered past when it comes to respecting certain civil and human rights (as do many other governments).

[trish]

Just a short remark about NYBURBS remark:


As for the conspiracy theorists, I think it's true that many of them go overboard with their assertions. However, there is usually some grain of truth to many of these allegations; our government also has a checkered past when it comes to respecting certain civil and human rights (as do many other governments).Not all reports of conspiracies are hoaxes or delusions:

1) The conspiracy of the tobacco industry to obfuscate, in the public mind, the research on the hazards of smoking...knowing full well their own scientists warned of those hazards.
2) The conspiracy of oil and related industries to obfuscate, the public mind, the research on global climate change...even as their own science consultants agreed with the U.N. consensus.
3) The conspiracy of the Bush administration to sell a war against Saddam Hussein knowingly using as false pretenses WMD and al-Qaeda.

But unless one can point to a mechanism that links the two, one conspiracy is not evidence for the existence of another. Yes, the executive arm of the government conspired to fabricate a case to go to war against Iraq; but to imagine that is evidence that the government is hiding alien technology in an elaborate underground lab beneath Area 51 is to fall prey to a logical fallacy.

People lie. There’s not a single speaking person on the planet that hasn’t. Regardless of that, suppose you have independent evidence that your wife has lied about various things in the past. Perhaps once you overheard her lie to her boss about having the flu and having to take a sick day. However, that is not evidence that your wife is lying to you now when she says, “I’m just stepping out to pick up some groceries, dear.” But, and here’s a “grain of truth”: your wife has in fact lied before. A paranoid husband will construct a whole edifice of fantasy balanced on that one grain of sand. But the fact that your wife, like most people, occasionally lies, is not evidence that she is lying now. Indeed the conditional probability that she’s lying now given that she lied in the past may in her case be zero, because there is just no universally quantifiable connection between lying to your boss about a sick day and lying to your husband about going for groceries.

[Rogers]

I would describe these folks who believe in repitilian humanoid space aliens, the Illuminati and conspiracies as cult-minded. I doubt David Icke would describe himself as a cult leader, but to maintain such beliefs, one must have faith, and this reliance on faith places these beliefs within a religious paradigm, one to which they are insanely devoted.

Yet this sort of person is exactly who you describe, someone whose fear of their own government ultimately manifests as paranoid conspiracy mongering.

You seem to know an awful lot about David Icke, phobun. My mention of Lizard and Crab people was meant purely as a joke. No one is seriously saying David Icke holds much sway even among conspiracy theorists. He represents the extreme fringe of an extreme fringe. And Crab people are an invention of the South Park creators, just in case you didn't know.



You really don't find this level of conspiratorial talk elsewhere in the World.

This I don't believe. Conspiracy talk and fear of the government is rife wherever people feel powerless, especially the middle east. Even in western Canada, there are people would would rival any Black-Helicopter-minded-survivialist in the US.

So lets get this straight, people in the Middle-East also believe that their governments are planning their mass extermination through programs such as the spraying of air-borne chemicals and genetically altered viruses for the forthcoming "New World Order"? Seriously? Just look at what NYBURBS has said above me about, "usually some grain of truth to many of these allegations". Like I said, "you really don't find this level of conspiratorial talk elsewhere in the World". We all know most Middle-East countries are run by corrupt dictators keen to keep their populations subserviant. There is NO conspiracy theory about that, but their planning of mass exterminations is seriously a new one one on me.


A quote from Amazon, impressive. But the author is essentially describing David Icke and his fellow travelers. David Icke, who has contrived and promoted much of this gibberish, is from England but popular among nutters throughout the English speaking world.

Well, feel free to have a good look at the book for yourself, phobun. See the Google Preview. The author is a Professor of Politics at S.U., I'm guessing you're not. David Icke occupies just 10 pages, along with American Jim Keith. Personally speaking, I prefer to try and understand the reasons behind the proliferation of the many weird and wacky conspiracy theories that have emerged in the U.S. in recent times rather than just dismiss the phenomenon out of hand.
http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/10011.php

[tstv_lover]

You really don't find this level of conspiratorial talk elsewhere in the World.

This I don't believe. Conspiracy talk and fear of the government is rife wherever people feel powerless, especially the middle east. Even in western Canada, there are people would would rival any Black-Helicopter-minded-survivialist in the US.


Having lived in Europe, Asia and Australasia I have not encountered the fear of government that you refer to. As for "conspiracy talk", there is a healthy distrust of the US Government (Trish gave some examples) and acknowledgement of interest group lobbying power.

[thx1138]

It's H1N1 http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N28343516.htm

[thx1138]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ron-paul-warns-swine-flu-scare-will-be-used-as-precedent-for-more-big-government.html I can't wait for that obnoxious idiot phobun to scream out Paul secretly works for Alex Jones. What a cucumber! :D BTW: H1N1 has been killing a couple of humdred thousand people worldwide for years (mostly the very young and the very old). What's peculiar about this it seems to be attacking people in the 20 to 45 y.o range.

[trish]

Paul's pretty smart; perhaps this is a job better suited to the kind of coordination that government can provide. Way to go Ron...thanks for the idea.

[phobun]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ron-paul-warns-swine-flu-scare-will-be-used-as-precedent-for-more-big-government.html I can't wait for that obnoxious idiot phobun to scream out Paul secretly works for Alex Jones. What a cucumber! :D BTW: H1N1 has been killing a couple of humdred thousand people worldwide for years (mostly the very young and the very old). What's peculiar about this it seems to be attacking people in the 20 to 45 y.o range.

Quoting from Alex Jones. I'm not surprised you would do this.

[phobun]

You seem to know an awful lot about David Icke, phobun. My mention of Lizard and Crab people was meant purely as a joke. No one is seriously saying David Icke holds much sway even among conspiracy theorists. He represents the extreme fringe of an extreme fringe.

You provided a quote from Amazon that essentially described David Icke and his beliefs about lizard people and aliens. I agree that the beliefs summarized in that quote are odd, but if your mentioning that quote was a joke, we still cannot roll our eyes and just dismiss his following, or that his fellow weirdo, Alex Jones,who has him as a radio guest.

thx11138 has just quoted from the Alex Jones show... these creeps do have a following. Regardless of the specific beliefs, both are part of the larger phenomenon that I think we both agree is weird.


And Crab people are an invention of the South Park creators, just in case you didn't know.

Oh, thanks! :wink:


So lets get this straight, people in the Middle-East also believe that their governments are planning their mass extermination through programs such as the spraying of air-borne chemicals and genetically altered viruses for the forthcoming "New World Order"? Seriously?

Those are your words. Alex Jones pushes the New World Order craziness and the FEMA coffins and the various viruses designed in military labs. These themes may reflect something specific to North America, and I agree that it is interesting to inquire as to what drives these particular beliefs here. I'm sure there are local flavors for the various conspiracies around the world. Paranoid conspiracy mongering is common in the middle east, with the Jews often filling the role of the bad guys. There are people who think the Jews in collusion with the Americans and their governments are out to kill them. The 9/11 truther movement has sympathy there, with the Jews again as the main conspirators. And events such as the crash of Air Egypt flight 990 are routinely attributed to the Jews/Mossad or the Americans. Even Al Qaeda is believed by some to be a creation of the Jews.

Sure the governments are despotic, but I'm not prepared to say there is a grain of truth to the Jews being responsible for all that.


Just look at what NYBURBS has said above me about, "usually some grain of truth to many of these allegations". Like I said, "you really don't find this level of conspiratorial talk elsewhere in the World". We all know most Middle-East countries are run by corrupt dictators keen to keep their populations subserviant. There is NO conspiracy theory about that, but their planning of mass exterminations is seriously a new one one on me.

Not all paranoid conspiracy mongering rises to the level of mass exterminations. Alex Jones pushes that, but it is not part of every wacky conspiracy theorist's theology.


Well, feel free to have a good look at the book for yourself, phobun. See the Google Preview. The author is a Professor of Politics at S.U., I'm guessing you're not.

You mention the author, and you take a swipe at me, but how about you? What are your qualifications aside from having read the book?


David Icke occupies just 10 pages, along with American Jim Keith. Personally speaking, I prefer to try and understand the reasons behind the proliferation of the many weird and wacky conspiracy theories that have emerged in the U.S. in recent times rather than just dismiss the phenomenon out of hand.

I hope no one is dismissing the weirdness out of hand.

[thx1138]

Nobody needs to lose sleep over this. The average American's chances of dying in a traffic accident, getting murdered or even getting struck by lightning are FAR greater. "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."

H. L. Mencken

[MacShreach]

It's a hangover from the persecuted and consequently untrusting religious minorities that flocked to the U.S...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH40zaUxTTE

That is an interesting observation. It merits deeper consideration.

[MacShreach]

Some people, no matter what their national origin, have a need for spirituality, and if they reject the monotheistic or dominant myths and belief systems, they will grab on to something else.

Point taken about susceptibility to conspiracy theorising being not restricted to the US, but there does seem to be a lot of it from there. If not a result of history, it may be that the US with its generally entrepreneurial outlook, has provided fertile ground for conspiracy theorists to actually turn it into a business model-- but that still presupposes a willing customer base.

I personally think all humans have a spirit, the spirit of humanity; the trick that conventional organised religion, cults, conspiracy theorists have pulled is in serving up a prepared, prescribed and proscriptive alternative to that in the form of a pre-ordained "spirituality." You don't need a Bronze Age text or a crackpot theory to be uplifted by the beauty of a new dawn or a child's smile. You don't need to believe in any god to appreciate Mozart. You don't need to believe in any theory to be moved by images of children starving. You don't need stone tablets to know that it is wrong to kill.

Hijacking human spirit and calling it something else, to their own ends, has been the biggest evil that religions, cults, whatever, have perpetrated.

When we lose sight of the fact that spirit is part of ourselves, it becomes easy to think that there are others with no spirit; that there is something more important; something guarded by a cadre of exclusive initiates, whether they be the Pope or Erich von Danichen.

Sometime people should just meditate on what is actually meant by the symbiosis of variation and natural selection; perhaps they will then see that there is no need for dusty gods of ancient books or little green men, for "Intelligent Design," for organised, tribal religions with their dualistic, us-and-them attitudes, or any of the other bunkum that pretends to replace the spirit that is inside each of us, with a formalised and prescribed spirituality that is outside us.

[Rogers]

You provided a quote from Amazon that essentially described David Icke and his beliefs about lizard people and aliens. I agree that the beliefs summarized in that quote are odd, but if your mentioning that quote was a joke, we still cannot roll our eyes and just dismiss his following, or that his fellow weirdo, Alex Jones,who has him as a radio guest.

thx11138 has just quoted from the Alex Jones show... these creeps do have a following. Regardless of the specific beliefs, both are part of the larger phenomenon that I think we both agree is weird.

Oh, thanks! :wink:


Those are your words. Alex Jones pushes the New World Order craziness and the FEMA coffins and the various viruses designed in military labs. These themes may reflect something specific to North America, and I agree that it is interesting to inquire as to what drives these particular beliefs here.

Thanks again! :wink:

Like I said, you really don't find this level of conspiratorial talk elsewhere in the World. These conspiracy theories border, neigh, are fully in the realm of the fantastic. My thinking is that it's media driven. American's have less to be fearful from their own government than the vast majority of the world's population do. Inundated by constant live news feeds, new sci-fi and horror stories coming out of Hollywood all the time, a general lack of understanding about how things actually work (e.g. contrails), the general uncertainty of a stress-filled life, and the imagination seems to run wild with many. People just seem to need something to worry about. Whatever happened to the "War on Terror" now that we have the first truely global recession?


You mention the author, and you take a swipe at me, but how about you? What are your qualifications aside from having read the book?

Oh, I've fallen for that one before. Ain't doing it again. How about you? The book is interesting, was written by a respected academic, and may explain things in America, that's all I was suggesting. It was you who dismissed it out of hand.

Remember, World War Two was a direct result of The Great Depression. Germany was hit the hardest because of the punative W.W.I. reparations it was still struggling to pay back. A paranoid syphilitc emerged blaming the Jews for all the peoples ills. 20 million died. Barkun points out the seriousness of conspiracy theorists. I'm dreading the approach of 2012 more because of these nutjobs than anything else. Nothing is potentially more contagious than fear, except perhaps "man-made" flu. :wink:

[AishaX]

I'm not so worried about this. I read on CNN.com earlier to day that patient zero for this epidemic has been located, and is a 5 year old Mexican boy who lives near Veracruz. He survived, so can most of us. (http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/28/swine.flu/index.html)

Thinking back on it, I and the people in my family all came down with a pretty strong bug a while back. That could have been it for all we know.

As for us American's being more prone to believe in conspiracy theories about stuff like this. There is a old saying, "Just because someone is paranoid does not mean no one is out to get them."

Consider this (For give me if it has been brought up before I did not read the whole thread.)The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment (http://www.tuskegee.edu/Global/Story.asp?s=1207586)


For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for “bad blood,” their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all.

[MacShreach]

Very sadly, the US now has a fatality-- a 23-month girl in Texas.

[phobun]

Oh, thanks! :wink:

Thanks again! :wink:

No need to say thanks, it's really not about you.


Oh, I've fallen for that one before. Ain't doing it again. How about you? The book is interesting, was written by a respected academic, and may explain things in America, that's all I was suggesting. It was you who dismissed it out of hand.

I did not dismiss the book out of hand. I chuckled that you used a quote by a reviewer on Amazon to make a point. The quote you used essentially summarized the theology of David Icke. But you subsequently wrote "one is seriously saying David Icke holds much sway even among conspiracy theorists." That may be true, but then why use a quote which emphasizes that there are repercussions of such beliefs as David Icke's superconspiracy?

There are now reports that the WHO is saying there have only been 7 total deaths from the Swine Flu, far less than initially reported. So all the conspiracy talk is especially ridiculous and a departure from the original topic.


I'm dreading the approach of 2012 more because of these nutjobs than anything else. Nothing is potentially more contagious than fear, except perhaps "man-made" flu. :wink:

I think it's important to keep some perspective. Y2K was supposed to be potentially noteworthy, if for no other reason than fear. We've already seen that millennial-type date pass without much excitement. And now some shaky types dread 2012, important only to an ancient civilization and some modern day nutters, because of the nutters? Nah, that's silly.

[phobun]

Consider this (For give me if it has been brought up before I did not read the whole thread.)The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment (http://www.tuskegee.edu/Global/Story.asp?s=1207586)

And this gets back to Mac's point that all these conspiracies distract from when the government has really tried to pull the wool, especially when there are genuine crimes, like Tuskegee.

[phobun]

Very sadly, the US now has a fatality-- a 23-month girl in Texas.
I agree it is very sad. Houston Chronicle is reporting this: "The first reported death in the United States from the swine flu outbreak was that of a 23-month-old Mexico City boy who fell ill in Brownsville and was transported for treatment at Texas Children's Hospital in Houston, where he died Monday, officials said."

According to the Texas Department of State Health Services, the boy already had "several underlying health problems" before he flew to Matamoros on April 4 and crossed into Brownsville to visit relatives.

The boy came down with a fever April 8, followed by other flu-like symptoms, the state said.

[phobun]

I personally think all humans have a spirit, the spirit of humanity; the trick that conventional organised religion, cults, conspiracy theorists have pulled is in serving up a prepared, prescribed and proscriptive alternative to that in the form of a pre-ordained "spirituality." You don't need a Bronze Age text or a crackpot theory to be uplifted by the beauty of a new dawn or a child's smile. You don't need to believe in any god to appreciate Mozart. You don't need to believe in any theory to be moved by images of children starving. You don't need stone tablets to know that it is wrong to kill.

I think that some are more inclined to spirituality than others, but your points here about not needing a formal dogma to appreciate beauty, to know morality, or even to have a spiritual moment, really echo some of what Sam Harris says.

[Rogers]

No need to say thanks, it's really not about you.

And it's really not about you either, phobun, though you've said well over twice as much as me in a fraction of the time. Remember this one from earlier...


Oh, thanks! :wink:


There are now reports that the WHO is saying there have only been 7 total deaths from the Swine Flu, far less than initially reported. So all the conspiracy talk is especially ridiculous and a departure from the original topic.

Again you have a short memory. It wasn't me who derailed the thread in the first place. See below.


I think it's important to keep some perspective. Y2K was supposed to be potentially noteworthy, if for no other reason than fear. We've already seen that millennial-type date pass without much excitement. And now some shaky types dread 2012, important only to an ancient civilization and some modern day nutters, because of the nutters? Nah, that's silly.

Nah, it would be silly not to dread all the long columns of newspaper print and endless hours of T.V. and film to come about it. But that most likely sounds too much like heaven to you...




Alex Jones? Conspiracy theory? I did not imply the gripe porcino was bio engineered at Ft. Dettrick, Md. I'll leave that to you to do the research.

You are one paranoid motherfucker.and your a TROLL but we all knew that...Stating obvious shit Of course. fucking prick.

[thx1138]

Dr. Horowitz has a good conspiracy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBeKB7aKzOs

[thx1138]

Number of deaths greatly overstated: WHO: http://www.smh.com.au/world/only-7-swine-flu-deaths-not-152-says-who-20090429-aml1.html

[thx1138]

Microbiology as a profession may not be a good idea.: http://www.rense.com/general66/deadmicro.htm

[smokeslv]

no disrespect but by July 4th no one will even be thinking about this shit, sad to say this but Mexico will cover up the thousands of coming deaths and the U.S. pharmaceutical indiustry will profit offering a placebo-like vaccine to everyone with a nervous twitch after shaking someone's hand (even though some brilliant South American company will already have it available for free by the time I click submit)

:lol:

Exactly.
Remember the Asian bird flu? Ibola? Mad cow?
Stay at home Americans - don't travel - you might catch something.

Agreed, its the fucking flu, not small pox!!

[tstv_lover]

Number of deaths greatly overstated: WHO: http://www.smh.com.au/world/only-7-swine-flu-deaths-not-152-says-who-20090429-aml1.html

From your link:
"Ms Allan [from WHO] said it was difficult to measure how fast the virus was spreading.

She said a real concern would be if the flu virus manifested in a country where a person had had no contact with Mexico, and authorities were watching all countries for signs of that."

Now, according to the BBC, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8025931.stm
"In Spain, the government said the first person to contract swine flu without having travelled to Mexico was the boyfriend of a young woman who had recently returned from there."

The WHO has raised the pandemic alert level and I think it's prudent to take this seriously rather than as some conspiracy.

[MacShreach]

<snip>

The WHO has raised the pandemic alert level and I think it's prudent to take this seriously rather than as some conspiracy.

Yes. Remember thx1138 is a certified conspiracy theorist.

[tstv_lover]

<snip>

The WHO has raised the pandemic alert level and I think it's prudent to take this seriously rather than as some conspiracy.

Yes. Remember thx1138 is a certified conspiracy theorist.

No need to be a conspiracy theorist, we all know that the little green men live with Elvis in a trailer park just outside Pheonix - Agent Mulder told us all about it.

[thx1138]

conspiracy theory
 
–noun 1. a theory that explains an event as being the result of a plot by a covert group or organization; a belief that a particular unexplained event was caused by such a group.
2. the idea that many important political events or economic and social trends are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public. Theory is a misnomer. hypothesis, conjecture or simply hunch describes it better. Prosecuting attorneys conjecture all the time.

[thx1138]

Another mysterious death in the microbiology field: Suicide or suicided?http://media.www.redandblack.com/media/storage/paper871/news/2007/03/27/News/Missing.Student.Found.Dead-2792781.shtml

[thx1138]

http://media.www.redandblack.com/media/storage/paper871/news/2007/03/27/News/Missing.Student.Found.Dead-2792781.shtml

[thx1138]

Important for Swine Flu Epidemic:

Homeopathy Successfully Treated Flu Epidemic of 1918

by Melanie Grimes,
citizen journalist

April 29, 2009

(NaturalNews)

Homeopathy was successful in treating the flu epidemic of 1918
and can provide answers to questions about the 2009 Swine Flu.

Homeopathy can provide quick and inexpensive
relief for symptoms of the flu. A system of medicine based
on the principles of "like cures like," homeopathy uses
plant, mineral and animal sources for the natural flu remedies.

Homeopathy is based on ideas from ideas dating back to Egyptian medicine.

The term "homeopathy" was coined by the medical doctor
and medical reformer, Samuel Hahnemann in the 1800s.

Homeopathic remedies have been used
to treat flu symptoms for two centuries.


Was homeopathy successful in treating the flu epidemic of 1918?
Yes.
While the mortality rate of people treated with traditional medicine and
drugs was 30 percent, those treated by homeopathic physicians had
mortality rate of 1.05 percent.


Of the fifteen hundred cases reported at
the Homeopathic Medical Society of the District
of Columbia there were only fifteen deaths.


Recoveries in the National Homeopathic Hospital were 100%.

In Ohio, of 1,000 cases of influenza,
Dr. T. A. McCann, MD, Dayton, Ohio reported NO DEATHS.


What homeopathic remedies

were used to successfully treat the Spanish flu in 1918?


Gelsemium and Bryonia

According the Dr. Frank Wieland, MD, in Chicago,

"(With) 8,000 workers we had only one death.

Gelsemium was practically the only remedy used.

We used no aspirin and no vaccines."


Homeopathy was 98% successful in treating
the Spanish flu epidemic in 1918?
Yes.


Ohio reported that
24,000 cases of flu treated allopathically had a mortality rate of 28.2% while
26,000 cases of flu treated homeopathically had a mortality rate of 1.05% .


In Connecticut,
6,602 cases were reported, with 55 deaths, less than 1%.


Dr. Roberts, a physician on a troop ship during WWI, had
81 cases of flu on the way over to Europe. He reported,

"All recovered and were landed.
Every man received homeopathic treatment.
How do they know that a virus caused the flu epidemic of 1918,
when the first virus was not isolated until 1933?


They don`t.


In fact, many believe that
the epidemic was actually a vaccine reaction.

When Army vaccinations became compulsory in 1911, the death rate from
typhoid vaccination rose to the highest point in the history of the US Army.


US Secretary of War Henry L Stimson reported that
seven men dropped dead after being vaccinated.

He also reported
63 deaths and 28,585 cases of hepatitis as a direct result
of yellow fever vaccination during only six months of WW1.

According to a report in the Irish Examiner,

"The report of the Surgeon-General of the US Army shows that during

1917 there were admitted into the army hospitals 19,608 men
suffering from anti-typhoid inoculation and vaccinia.


When army doctors tried to suppress the symptoms of typhoid with
a stronger vaccine, it caused a worse form of typhoid paratyphoid.


But when they concocted an even stronger vaccine
to suppress that one,
they created an even worse disease Spanish flu."


Did the flu strain that caused the 1918 flu ever return?
Yes.

The 1918 `Spanish Flu` was first reported in
an American military, Camp Funston, Fort Riley, in troops
preparing for WW1 and receiving 25 vaccinations.


According to the CDC,
the same flu strain appeared only one other time: in 1976.

This was again at a US army base, Fort Dix, and again,
was seen in recently vaccinated troops, and only in them.

The virus has not appeared anywhere else.


Is homeopathy successful in treating the modern flu?
Yes.

What can I do to prevent the flu?
Good food, clean living, rest and exercise are the basic ingredients.

There are certain nutrients that have been shown to help enhance
the immune system, such as
echinacea, vitamins C, E and beta carotene, zinc, and elderberries.



Take a look at these websites below:

http://www.cdc.gov/

http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexamine...

http://www.naturalnews.com/024911.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/025316.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/025780.html

[trish]

Dr. Hahnemann in the late eighteenth century had the idea that one might be able to treat certain illnesses by finding toxins that induced the same symptoms as the illness (hence the name “homeopathy”) and then have the patient consume a dilute portion of that toxin. This strategy is bound to remind some people of way vaccines are supposed to work. In the case of vacines the immune system reacts to a dead or weakened form a virus or bacteria by producing the antibodies necessary to fight that specific sort of infection, so that when the real thing comes along the immune system recognizes the infection in time and is prepared to exterminate the invader. So you can see the homeopathic strategy is really quite different. In fact practitioners of homeopathy are in dispute as to what mechanism might be at work in the case of homeopathic medicines. What homeopaths do agree on is dilution, dilution, dilution. Most of their compounds have concentrations of 30C or 15C. These are scales of concentration that are only in use among practitioners of homeopathy. 1C means 1 part in a hundred. To make a 2C solution, it is explained that one starts with a 1C solution and dilutes it to 1 part in a hundred. That's 1 part of the original compound to ten thousand parts of water. To make a 3C solution you start with a 2C solution and dilute it to 1 part in one hundred. That’s works out to 1 part of the original compound to one million parts of water. In general an nC solution is 1 part in 10 to the 2n th power. So a 15C solution has one part of the original compound per 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 parts of water. That’s one molecule of active ingredient per 1.66 million moles of water, which I believe is 7900 gallons of water! A small vial of medicine at homeopathic concentrations will not have a single molecule of active ingredient, or any other ingredients for that matter. It’s the purest and most expensive water you can buy.

[trish]

DP

[hippifried]

DPPlease don't tell me that has something to do with pig flu! :shock:

[Azanti]

if it does hippi, I am FUCKED

[trish]

DPPlease don't tell me that has something to do with pig flu! :shock:

I'm afraid it is(sniffle): you (aaahhhhh) sneeze (chooooo), excuse me, and convulsively (sniff, sniff) click the Su[b]mit button twice (HOOONNNNK!)

[thx1138]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/lawsuit-charges-baxter-used-dangerous-ingredients-in-vaccines-to-increase-profits.html

[thx1138]

See all those people on the news walking
around wearing those surgical masks?
Suddenly Michael Jackson is not so crazy?
Yeah! I think we owe Michael an apology.

~Jay Leno~

[Alyssa87]

my mom wont let me eat at restaurants.

[thx1138]

"Crisis" is about over: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090430/ap_on_he_me/med_swine_flu

[Faldur]

They said pigs would fly before a black man would become president... 3 months after we elect Barack swine flew.. coincidence? (plays really creepy twilight zone music)

[MacShreach]

They said pigs would fly before a black man would become president... 3 months after we elect Barack swine flew.. coincidence? (plays really creepy twilight zone music)

GROAN......

[hippifried]

my mom wont let me eat at restaurants.Try picking up the tab.

[thx1138]

but yet I was not one of these people who tried to check themselves into a hospital: http://wcbstv.com/health/swine.flu.hospitals.2.999369.html

[Rogers]

but yet I was not one of these people who tried to check themselves into a hospital: http://wcbstv.com/health/swine.flu.hospitals.2.999369.html

Hazel Sanchez needs to get hold of a medical dictionary to be honest, or even just a plain one for that matter. Thinking you might have an infection is NOT paranoia. It's a phobia called molysmophobia. Thinking that you have an infection, or may develop one, thanks to the deliberate actions of others however IS paranoia. You most definitely fit the latter, thx1138.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/paranoia
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000938.htm

[thx1138]

Actually I've been described more acurately as manic depressive not paranoid. :>) Did I ever tell you I once got a death threat e-mail? I know, I know. I sent it to my self. :>) Hey Rogers, where's YOUR medical certificate certifying that YOU're qualified to diagnose abnormal mental conditions (besides your own) from postings on a transgender chatboard.

[phobun]

Actually I've been described more acurately as manic depressive not paranoid.
You have now conceded that a medical doctor has given you a psychiatric diagnosis.

But that just confirms the conventional thinking around here.

[alyssats]

whenever I watch news about swine flu thing i feel so scared or just the media sensationalizing it :roll:

[Rogers]

Actually I've been described more acurately as manic depressive not paranoid. :>) Did I ever tell you I once got a death threat e-mail? I know, I know. I sent it to my self. :>) Hey Rogers, where's YOUR medical certificate certifying that YOU're qualified to diagnose abnormal mental conditions (besides your own) from postings on a transgender chatboard.

My qualifications and training are in systems and behavioral biology, not medicine. That's right, I'm an evil government scientist in "Fort Whatitsname"! I do have numerous close friends and family who are medics though, so conversations can get very biomedical. As far as I've seen so far no one here has diagnosed you with anything, thx1138, but you don't need to be a doctor to say that you show classic signs of paranoia fraid. So now you're saying you're not worried about thousands of people deliberately trying to harm you then?

And I see you've dodged my last post in P&R (on Barium) AGAIN. People are more than willing to listen to your fears to a certain extent, but when you start avoiding their replies you become highly irksome and just plain annoying, understand?

Also, just out of interest, what's my "abnormal mental conditions" then, doc? And when are the pics of "me as a transvestite" going to appear just like you did to Chefmike when he started hitting the nail on the head about you. Trying to turn the tables on the first accuser is a classic sign that something really is wrong. It's called denial. Even your sig. reminds me strongly of a former poster who made up false accounts on a gay board relating to three posters here just for revenge. That infamous poster also accused me of being one of them, hahaha... I R QUINN! :lol: Ask YOURSELF this question, how long do you plan on making "postings on a transgender chatboard" about conspiracy theories that no one else sees?

Sincerely, my intentions are not to humiliate or demean you, thx1138. I know you're not deliberately trying to annoy like some I've had words with on this board. I actually feel sorry for ya buddy. But my actions are to try and point out things about you that you don't seem to grasp. Have you discussed the fears you have about life with a physician yet? Instead of asking what posters on a tranny board's qualifications are do yourself a big favor and ask someone who really is qualified. But be honest!

"THX 1138", a paranoid tale of the future directed by George Lucas, and a futuristic retelling of George Orwell's "1984"...
""Orwell himself told his friends that 1984 would have been less gloomy had he not been so ill--it was a very dark, disturbing, and pessimistic work," Dr. Ross said."
"George Orwell died in 1950, ending a life plagued by sickness. That sickness, though, contends Dr. Ross, "made him a better and more empathetic writer, in that his sense of human suffering made his writing more universal.""
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/32319.php

I could post links about how bipolar disorder is linked to paranoia (mania and paranoia are both psychoses), but I REALLY DON'T LIKE kicking anyone remotely decent when they're already down.

Sincere best of luck in life, mate! :)

Yours truely,
-Quinn.

[thx1138]

Manic depressive is a self assessment NOT a medical one. I've NEVER been treated for mental illness of any sort. I've never ingested ANY of the substances normally associated with M.I. Mescaline, LSD. etc. So for anyone here who is NOT medically trained It's demeaning and I treat it as an ad hominem attack. Your naiveté on what the government is doing could be construed as an incipient mental problem. Hey, if you can diagnose why can't I? BTW: I did answer your post on barium. Go look. HA is only one of many sites I visit every day. I never said thousands of people are trying to harm me personally. I got only one death threat. Probably a prank. A government program doesn't usually single out individuals. it looks at the broad picture and thinks in terms of ratios i.e. what percent is likely to be affected. Here's something; if, 3 years ago, someone said Bernie Madoff was anything but a financial genius and a paragon of virtue he or she would have been declared a good candidate for the loony bin or some mind bending medication. I'm not sure I've answered all your concerns. Let me which ones I haven't. As for the sig line that's deliberately designed to rile up people. It's a retaliation for the folks here who put me through the ringer when I first started out here back when. :>)