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natina
02-23-2009, 12:22 AM
Remarks as Prepared for Delivery by Attorney General Eric Holder at the Department of Justice African American History Month Program

Wednesday, February 18, 2009
Every year, in February, we attempt to recognize and to appreciate black history. It is a worthwhile endeavor for the contributions of African Americans to this great nation are numerous and significant. Even as we fight a war against terrorism, deal with the reality of electing an African American as our President for the first time and deal with the other significant issues of the day, the need to confront our racial past, and our racial present, and to understand the history of African people in this country, endures. One cannot truly understand America without understanding the historical experience of black people in this nation. Simply put, to get to the heart of this country one must examine its racial soul.

Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards. Though race related issues continue to occupy a significant portion of our political discussion, and though there remain many unresolved racial issues in this nation, we, average Americans, simply do not talk enough with each other about race. It is an issue we have never been at ease with and given our nation’s history this is in some ways understandable. And yet, if we are to make progress in this area we must feel comfortable enough with one another, and tolerant enough of each other, to have frank conversations about the racial matters that continue to divide us. But we must do more- and we in this room bear a special responsibility. Through its work and through its example this Department of Justice, as long as I am here, must - and will - lead the nation to the "new birth of freedom" so long ago promised by our greatest President. This is our duty and our solemn obligation.

We commemorated five years ago, the 50th anniversary of the landmark Brown v. Board of Education decision. And though the world in which we now live is fundamentally different than that which existed then, this nation has still not come to grips with its racial past nor has it been willing to contemplate, in a truly meaningful way, the diverse future it is fated to have. To our detriment, this is typical of the way in which this nation deals with issues of race. And so I would suggest that we use February of every year to not only commemorate black history but also to foster a period of dialogue among the races. This is admittedly an artificial device to generate discussion that should come more naturally, but our history is such that we must find ways to force ourselves to confront that which we have become expert at avoiding.

As a nation we have done a pretty good job in melding the races in the workplace. We work with one another, lunch together and, when the event is at the workplace during work hours or shortly thereafter, we socialize with one another fairly well, irrespective of race. And yet even this interaction operates within certain limitations. We know, by "American instinct" and by learned behavior, that certain subjects are off limits and that to explore them risks, at best embarrassment, and, at worst, the questioning of one’s character. And outside the workplace the situation is even more bleak in that there is almost no significant interaction between us. On Saturdays and Sundays America in the year 2009 does not, in some ways, differ significantly from the country that existed some fifty years ago. This is truly sad. Given all that we as a nation went through during the civil rights struggle it is hard for me to accept that the result of those efforts was to create an America that is more prosperous, more positively race conscious and yet is voluntarily socially segregated.

As a nation we should use Black History month as a means to deal with this continuing problem. By creating what will admittedly be, at first, artificial opportunities to engage one another we can hasten the day when the dream of individual, character based, acceptance can actually be realized. To respect one another we must have a basic understanding of one another. And so we should use events such as this to not only learn more about the facts of black history but also to learn more about each other. This will be, at first, a process that is both awkward and painful but the rewards are potentially great. The alternative is to allow to continue the polite, restrained mixing that now passes as meaningful interaction but that accomplishes little. Imagine if you will situations where people- regardless of their skin color- could confront racial issues freely and without fear. The potential of this country, that is becoming increasingly diverse, would be greatly enhanced. I fear however, that we are taking steps that, rather than advancing us as a nation are actually dividing us even further. We still speak too much of "them" and not "us". There can, for instance, be very legitimate debate about the question of affirmative action. This debate can, and should, be nuanced, principled and spirited. But the conversation that we now engage in as a nation on this and other racial subjects is too often simplistic and left to those on the extremes who are not hesitant to use these issues to advance nothing more than their own, narrow self interest. Our history has demonstrated that the vast majority of Americans are uncomfortable with, and would like to not have to deal with, racial matters and that is why those, black or white, elected or self-appointed, who promise relief in easy, quick solutions, no matter how divisive, are embraced. We are then free to retreat to our race protected cocoons where much is comfortable and where progress is not really made. If we allow this attitude to persist in the face of the most significant demographic changes that this nation has ever confronted- and remember, there will be no majority race in America in about fifty years- the coming diversity that could be such a powerful, positive force will, instead, become a reason for stagnation and polarization. We cannot allow this to happen and one way to prevent such an unwelcome outcome is to engage one another more routinely- and to do so now.

As I indicated before, the artificial device that is Black History month is a perfect vehicle for the beginnings of such a dialogue. And so I urge all of you to use the opportunity of this month to talk with your friends and co-workers on the other side of the divide about racial matters. In this way we can hasten the day when we truly become one America.

It is also clear that if we are to better understand one another the study of black history is essential because the history of black America and the history of this nation are inextricably tied to each other. It is for this reason that the study of black history is important to everyone- black or white. For example, the history of the United States in the nineteenth century revolves around a resolution of the question of how America was going to deal with its black inhabitants. The great debates of that era and the war that was ultimately fought are all centered around the issue of, initially, slavery and then the reconstruction of the vanquished region. A dominant domestic issue throughout the twentieth century was, again, America's treatment of its black citizens. The civil rights movement of the 1950's and 1960's changed America in truly fundamental ways. Americans of all colors were forced to examine basic beliefs and long held views. Even so, most people, who are not conversant with history, still do not really comprehend the way in which that movement transformed America. In racial terms the country that existed before the civil rights struggle is almost unrecognizable to us today. Separate public facilities, separate entrances, poll taxes, legal discrimination, forced labor, in essence an American apartheid, all were part of an America that the movement destroyed. To attend her state’s taxpayer supported college in 1963 my late sister in law had to be escorted to class by United States Marshals and past the state’s governor, George Wallace. That frightening reality seems almost unthinkable to us now. The civil rights movement made America, if not perfect, better.

In addition, the other major social movements of the latter half of the twentieth century- feminism, the nation's treatment of other minority groups, even the anti-war effort- were all tied in some way to the spirit that was set free by the quest for African American equality. Those other movements may have occurred in the absence of the civil rights struggle but the fight for black equality came first and helped to shape the way in which other groups of people came to think of themselves and to raise their desire for equal treatment. Further, many of the tactics that were used by these other groups were developed in the civil rights movement.

And today the link between the black experience and this country is still evident. While the problems that continue to afflict the black community may be more severe, they are an indication of where the rest of the nation may be if corrective measures are not taken. Our inner cities are still too conversant with crime but the level of fear generated by that crime, now found in once quiet, and now electronically padlocked suburbs is alarming and further demonstrates that our past, present and future are linked. It is not safe for this nation to assume that the unaddressed social problems in the poorest parts of our country can be isolated and will not ultimately affect the larger society.

Black history is extremely important because it is American history. Given this, it is in some ways sad that there is a need for a black history month. Though we are all enlarged by our study and knowledge of the roles played by blacks in American history, and though there is a crying need for all of us to know and acknowledge the contributions of black America, a black history month is a testament to the problem that has afflicted blacks throughout our stay in this country. Black history is given a separate, and clearly not equal, treatment by our society in general and by our educational institutions in particular. As a former American history major I am struck by the fact that such a major part of our national story has been divorced from the whole. In law, culture, science, athletics, industry and other fields, knowledge of the roles played by blacks is critical to an understanding of the American experiment. For too long we have been too willing to segregate the study of black history. There is clearly a need at present for a device that focuses the attention of the country on the study of the history of its black citizens. But we must endeavor to integrate black history into our culture and into our curriculums in ways in which it has never occurred before so that the study of black history, and a recognition of the contributions of black Americans, become commonplace. Until that time, Black History Month must remain an important, vital concept. But we have to recognize that until black history is included in the standard curriculum in our schools and becomes a regular part of all our lives, it will be viewed as a novelty, relatively unimportant and not as weighty as so called "real" American history.

I, like many in my generation, have been fortunate in my life and have had a great number of wonderful opportunities. Some may consider me to be a part of black history. But we do a great disservice to the concept of black history recognition if we fail to understand that any success that I have had, cannot be viewed in isolation. I stood, and stand, on the shoulders of many other black Americans. Admittedly, the identities of some of these people, through the passage of time, have become lost to us- the men, and women, who labored long in fields, who were later legally and systemically discriminated against, who were lynched by the hundreds in the century just past and those others who have been too long denied the fruits of our great American culture. The names of too many of these people, these heroes and heroines, are lost to us. But the names of others of these people should strike a resonant chord in the historical ear of all in our nation: Frederick Douglass, W.E.B. DuBois, Walter White, Langston Hughes, Marcus Garvey, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Joe Louis, Jackie Robinson, Charles Drew, Paul Robeson, Ralph Ellison, James Baldwin, Toni Morrison, Vivian Malone, Rosa Parks, Marion Anderson, Emmit Till. These are just some of the people who should be generally recognized and are just some of the people to whom all of us, black and white, owe such a debt of gratitude. It is on their broad shoulders that I stand as I hope that others will some day stand on my more narrow ones.

Black history is a subject worthy of study by all our nation's people. Blacks have played a unique, productive role in the development of America. Perhaps the greatest strength of the United States is the diversity of its people and to truly understand this country one must have knowledge of its constituent parts. But an unstudied, not discussed and ultimately misunderstood diversity can become a divisive force. An appreciation of the unique black past, acquired through the study of black history, will help lead to understanding and true compassion in the present, where it is still so sorely needed, and to a future where all of our people are truly valued.

Thank you.




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El Nino
02-23-2009, 12:33 AM
Can we get past the color of skin already??

JelenaCD
02-23-2009, 12:59 AM
if this fool attorney general keeps this up Obama will be lame duck in 2 years , he is to represent all americans and he just called most cowards , excellent start !

trish
02-23-2009, 01:11 AM
You act as if being called out for one's cowardice is a bad thing. You never hear a coach tell the team to stop being a bunch of pussies? In this case the intent [of the] accusation is to spur honest dialog. It is a call against politically correct sidestepping that has been limiting our discussions, not only of race but other areas as well. One would've thought libertarians could understand and approve of an attorney general who spoke against several decades of politically correct pussyfooting around these issues. Well damned if you do and damned if you don't.

[Edits in square brackets]

JelenaCD
02-23-2009, 01:18 AM
the fact is that ... racism is not emblematic of the white race or american . nature , this fool thinks this is a unique american phenom when it exists in all nations and all races !

trish
02-23-2009, 01:45 AM
I don't see any place where Holder maintains that racism is unique to America, or that it is emblematic of "whites". He does maintain that race has played an important role in the development of our nation and that many issues relating to race are still playing out.

It's easy to make others look foolish if you falsely attribute to them foolish ideas.

JelenaCD
02-23-2009, 01:58 AM
All races are racist in my view , it's darwin evolution tactics at work , it's not just the usa it's everywhere so what's the point ? You want to demonize americans like they are horrible yet most of the world is also horrible , pointless in my mind ! yes you want to be better then the world , aspire to better standards and thats tough yet just dont say americans are cowards , thats a cheap shot , especially since USA has done more for the world then they have received back !

trish
02-23-2009, 02:31 AM
Who the fuck is demonizing Americans??? You're the doing the demonizing here. Holder rightly pointed out that too many Americans (and I might add liberal Americans) are too uncomfortable to have an honest discussion with their fellows about race. They are afraid to appear racist and so they just shy away from the discussion. Call it cowardly, call it wimpy. If you're so thinned skinned, let's call it shy. But show me where Holder demonizes Americans. Show me where he says we're horrible. Talk about cheap shots! You insist on putting your own words in Holder's mouth and then you hold him responsible for the things that you have said. Get some intellectual integrity girl.

JelenaCD
02-23-2009, 02:41 AM
calling americans cowards is demonizing them , just my take , he is projecting his limited view on all of us , what the hell is attorny general doing with race relations , he has ,lost his mind , and obama will be done soon if he keeps up the race war !

trish
02-23-2009, 02:54 AM
Bullshit, look up demonizing. Demons aren't usually depicted as cowards, are they?

Oh there you go again...who but you said anything about "Race War"? If you're so afraid of addressing Holder's actual ideas, that you have to make up shit, perhaps you are a coward.

But he wasn't talking about your kind of cowardice. He was addressing the average American's reluctance to engage the issue of race.

JelenaCD
02-23-2009, 02:58 AM
i am a coward , thats what the attorny general said , i am just saying that i am not the only coward , the world is full of cowards so why take down your own ?

trish
02-23-2009, 03:04 AM
Being called out for one's cowardice isn't being taken down. Once again, think of the locker room analogy when the coach inveighs his team to stop being pussies and get out there and win. We are being asked to buck up and engage. So what's wrong with that? What's up with all those negative waves?

JelenaCD
02-23-2009, 03:06 AM
race is an issue not just american , it happens all over the world , people act like racism is an american trait and its so untrue , yes we need work yet so does the world need work ! USA should be the best in everything i know , you should aspire to greatness yet not by class or race warfare

trish
02-23-2009, 03:10 AM
I thought we already settled that. Holder isn't claiming it's only an American issue. He is claiming that American's are more reluctant to discuss it. Yes, the USA should aspire to be the best at everything it tries to do. With that I agree. But Holder is not promulgating racism, race war or class warfare. If you think he is, quote the passage.

JelenaCD
02-23-2009, 03:24 AM
Trish ,
You have to read between the lines , you know the deal , code words , this attorny general is a loser , he wants to take white folks to task for racsism with free pass for all other people , you have to read between the lines , i know his agenda !

trish
02-23-2009, 03:27 AM
oh...you mean there are giant gaps in your argument and it's up to me to fill them in. okay...gotchya.

JelenaCD
02-23-2009, 03:28 AM
let me say i respect Trish soo much because she is a real american , we disagree on what american means yet we all want the best for USA !

trish
02-23-2009, 03:30 AM
with that let's take a brake...i'm going to eat and watch some tv.

see ya later.

JelenaCD
02-23-2009, 03:35 AM
Trish , fair enough , you are fun to debate and tough yet nothing is worth it if not tough , enjoy the liberal loser awards show no on TV , lol

trish
02-23-2009, 05:10 AM
Always with the assumptions, thinking you know how to fill in the gaps between the lines and how to draw the lines between the dots. This liberal didn't watch the Oscars. This liberal laughed all the way through an episode of "Big Love". :)

thx1138
02-23-2009, 07:28 AM
I'm white. I'm not prejudiced. I'd hang out with sexxy Jade 24/7. The time she shoved her ass in my face at Moomia was a hihjtlight of my life. I'm not sure what Holder is proposing as a remedy to this situation. I know for a fact there are a lot of people walking around full of self hatred which they project onto others not of their tribal group. A kind of xenophobia.

trish
02-23-2009, 08:00 AM
good for you.

chefmike
02-23-2009, 10:06 AM
good for you.

LMAO

hippifried
02-24-2009, 01:04 AM
It was a poor choice of terminology, because it just changed the subject again.

trish
02-24-2009, 03:37 AM
It was a poor choice of terminology, because it just changed the subject again.

It does seem to have proven rather distracting. But can you imagine if he had accused us all of being pussies? 8)

hippifried
02-24-2009, 09:37 AM
But can you imagine if he had accused us all of being pussies? 8)I imagine that might have pissed off Rachael Maddow. Or maybe gotten her horny. :shock:

I get the point, & agree with it. But Eric Holder is an experienced politician, & he should have been able to predict the reaction of the talking heads. He could have been more tactful, & actually gotten an intelligent conversation going. Or maybe not. We could sure use one.

trish
02-24-2009, 06:06 PM
But ... is an experienced politician, & ... could have been more tactful What planet did you say you were from? But, yes...you're right. At least he's not the gaff machine Joe Biden is :)

hippifried
02-25-2009, 12:44 AM
Pluto. & we're gonna stay a planet whether you like it or not.

q1a2z3
03-06-2009, 06:40 AM
calling americans cowards is demonizing them , just my take , he is projecting his limited view on all of us , what the hell is attorny general doing with race relations , he has ,lost his mind , and obama will be done soon if he keeps up the race war !

The AG can resort to name calling, but it is a waste of energy on his part and makes him look silly. Meanwhile, George Jefferson or Fred Sanford would have made a better AG or President for that matter. Neither of these two men were afraid to call me "whitie", "honkey", or "cracker." The real problem is that people today are whiny pu**ies that have forgotten "Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me."


Real racism is demented thought turned into action, not some statement some guy says when he is pissed off, drunk, or telling a joke. The actions of the demented in the southern states of America happened to people who are mostly gone by monsters who are mostly gone. I have no white guilt AG and I never will. There were free blacks living in America, including the southern states, from the start of the country. Liberals want you to believe that all blacks were slaves until Lincoln freed some of them. Actually the constitutional amendments freed the slaves.

I can associate with whomever I want to on the weekends. The AG is not going to "bus" Americans on the weekends to diversity orgies! Bussing in the 1970s was crazy. Just ask the kids who lived through it. The solution was money. Imagine if some black politicians in a black school district banned together with others and created a lower tax or no tax zone to attract businesses and jobs. Imagine if tax credits were used to give students choice in education. If the AG did a study of who people associate with on the weekends he would find out that family, close friends, and neighbors are at the top of the list. Coworkers are mostly seen as competition. Coworkers are invited to parties so you can show off your house, food, etc...

When I was growing up if I had a nickel for every time I heard whitie or its counterpart being hurled back at a black or a hispanic guy I'd be rich. So would the black and hispanic guys. We fought over turf, girls, cars, etc... We also competed and respected one another on the ball field.
The bottom line is guys of all races have the following in common: loose shoes, tight pu**y and a warm place to sh**t. Yeah , this is crude but watching the big game is on most guy's minds not the diversity of the room inhabitants.

The AG is out of touch. I wish Fredrick Douglas was President...
Beside, I thought "Blazing Saddles" was America's conversation on race?
"I get no thrill from Champaign..." (Clevon Little - Comic Genius)

guyone
03-16-2009, 08:23 AM
Holder is a jerk off bigot just like the rest of the bolsheviks!

And remember the Emancipation Proclamation was a Republican executive order. The wily bolshevik
opposed this from the start. You see the bolshevik doesn't like freedom they like to keep people enslaved. Nowadays they do it through institutions like welfare and unions.

Just watch INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS.

Fight the wily bolshevik! Jeb Bush 2012!

hippifried
03-16-2009, 07:37 PM
Bussing in the 1970s was crazy.Yeah it was. But you know what? It worked. It was never about making anybody feel good or getting getting folks to hang out on the weekends. That's not what any of this is about. Bussing just took a meat ax to the structures of segregation & Jim Crowe. It wasn't just the south either. The biggest bussing fiasco was in Boston. It was happening all over. It was just the death throes of aparthied in America.

America got over it. Brown overturned Plessey & the Civil Rights Act (CRA) overturned all of Jim Crowe. It all caused some consternation, especially among the Klan remnants hiding in the trailer parks. But so what? Forced segregation was/is illegal. The reason bussing happened is because 20 years after Brown & 10 years after CRA, everybody's patience ran out. After all those years of balking, it only took a couple of years for the whole country to find ways to comply with law of the land once the courts got serious.

As for the sociology of it all: Holder's a bit light on tact, but he's right somewhat. Everybody walks on eggshells when the subject of race or any kind of prejudice comes up. All that gets heard are the shrieks from the fringes. It's nice if the stereotypes can be shattered all at once, but time & generations destroy them anyway. My grandkids have no idea what the fuss was all about. I never understood it fully because I was a navy brat & Truman integrated the services a couple of years before I was born. It wasn't part of my world until we moved off base. My pal Freddy's dad saluted my dad because of the stripes on his sleeve. So did all the other sailors. Social changes take time. Rational discussion of problems just speeds up the process.


Just ask the kids who lived through it.Well the question can be framed many ways. I wasn' affected because I was class of '69. I wonder though: What was more traumatic for the kids, the actual bussing or the crazies trying to stop it?

natina
04-07-2009, 06:12 AM
look what he is doing now in the G20


if this fool attorney general keeps this up Obama will be lame duck in 2 years , he is to represent all americans and he just called most cowards , excellent start !

thx1138
04-08-2009, 02:04 PM
There is nothing Obama does that surprises me (except repudiate Bilderberger control of his agenda). I'm not holding my breath waiting for that to happen.