Transgender On MTV's REAL WORLD: BROOKLYN

[AsiaMei]

saw the commercial today on tv, sorry if its been posted.

http://www.mtv.com/onair/realworld/season21/images/cast_crops/katelynn/281x211.jpg

The next edition of The Real World will have a reverse local twist.

Two of the eight house-mates will be moving from South Florida to Brooklyn.

One is sure to be the topic of much conversation. Katelynn Cusanelli grew up in West Palm Beach as a male. According to MTV, she began to realize she was more comfortable as a woman in high school. By 17, she was living full-time as a woman. Now 24, she went to Thailand last summer for the surgery to complete the transformation. She has a boyfriend she hopes to marry.

J.D. Ordonez, 22, from Miami Beach grew up in an abusive home in Orlando, according to MTV. After a visit to Seaworld as a youngster, he decided he wanted to become a dolphin trainer when he grew up. He came to the University of Miami and fulfilled his ambition at the Miami Seaquarium.

Katelynn and J.D., 22, will be sharing living quarters with an Iraq war veteran, a former beauty queen, a hip hop dancer, a punk rock Morman (that's what it says), an abs model and an advocate for victims of abuse.

Season 21 of The Real World premieres on MTV Jan. 7



here's the trailer:
http://www.mtv.com/videos/shows/real-world-brooklyn/321015/real-world-brooklyn-trailer.jhtml#id=1600088

i'll be tuning in - i love the real world =]

[Coroner]

Why doesn´t MTV change its name since it only produces trash shows?

[Thatiger23]

saw the commercial today on tv, sorry if its been posted.

http://www.mtv.com/onair/realworld/season21/images/cast_crops/katelynn/281x211.jpg

Katelynn is a native of West Palm Beach, Fla., where she was raised by a religious Italian family. Her strong desire to be a mother stems from her close-knit relationship with her own mom. The 24-year-old is a self-proclaimed computer geek and practicing black belt in martial arts. After a string of bad relationships, Katelynn is currently with her boyfriend, Mike, the guy she hopes to marry one day.



here's the trailer:
http://www.mtv.com/videos/shows/real-world-brooklyn/321015/real-world-brooklyn-trailer.jhtml#id=1600088

i'll be tuning in - i love the real world =]

wow this one actually looks like its gonna be a good season....ive watched the show from the beggining and this might be the best season in a while....

[Alyssa87]

Couldnt have a pretty/passable girl on, rite? :roll:

[AsiaMei]

saw the commercial today on tv, sorry if its been posted.

http://www.mtv.com/onair/realworld/season21/images/cast_crops/katelynn/281x211.jpg

Katelynn is a native of West Palm Beach, Fla., where she was raised by a religious Italian family. Her strong desire to be a mother stems from her close-knit relationship with her own mom. The 24-year-old is a self-proclaimed computer geek and practicing black belt in martial arts. After a string of bad relationships, Katelynn is currently with her boyfriend, Mike, the guy she hopes to marry one day.



here's the trailer:
http://www.mtv.com/videos/shows/real-world-brooklyn/321015/real-world-brooklyn-trailer.jhtml#id=1600088

i'll be tuning in - i love the real world =]

wow this one actually looks like its gonna be a good season....ive watched the show from the beggining and this might be the best season in a while....

i havent watched in awhile , lately rw has gone downhill.

[Thatiger23]

saw the commercial today on tv, sorry if its been posted.

http://www.mtv.com/onair/realworld/season21/images/cast_crops/katelynn/281x211.jpg

Katelynn is a native of West Palm Beach, Fla., where she was raised by a religious Italian family. Her strong desire to be a mother stems from her close-knit relationship with her own mom. The 24-year-old is a self-proclaimed computer geek and practicing black belt in martial arts. After a string of bad relationships, Katelynn is currently with her boyfriend, Mike, the guy she hopes to marry one day.



here's the trailer:
http://www.mtv.com/videos/shows/real-world-brooklyn/321015/real-world-brooklyn-trailer.jhtml#id=1600088

i'll be tuning in - i love the real world =]

wow this one actually looks like its gonna be a good season....ive watched the show from the beggining and this might be the best season in a while....

i havent watched in awhile , lately rw has gone downhill.
yeah i completely agree...the last couple seasons really sucked...


LOL @ Alyssa's comment

[AsiaMei]

Couldnt have a pretty/passable girl on, rite? :roll:

lolx. shes fishy, u see it?
http://nypress.com/imgs/blogs/blog3022widea.jpg

[Alyssa87]

no i do not. i wish i did.

[tsntx]

no i do not. i wish i did.

lmao

girl i TOLD you

i broke this shitty useless news yesterday or so.... i TOLD you



she looks like this guy i knew b4 i transitioned at work

his name was gentry and he was like uber god warrior lol

[Alyssa87]

no i do not. i wish i did.

lmao

girl i TOLD you

i broke this shitty useless news yesterday or so.... i TOLD you



she looks like this guy i knew b4 i transitioned at work

his name was gentry and he was like uber god warrior lol

u did. i just didnt see a pic. you were right....aaaagain :?

and LOL @ god warrior. thats my bitch.
I PLANTED THE SEED, AND I WILL SEE THE HARVEST!

[Nowhere]

I can't really presume this will be good.

They always intentionally set psychos against each other on that show to create artificial drama.

I'd expect her to be the respectful peacekeeper who is verbally abused by some homophobic jock attracted to her, consistantly over the course of the show.

We'll see.

[BlackMath]

Couldnt have a pretty/passable girl on, rite? :roll:

Is that sarcasm? :?

Cause I think she is so pretty

[gunn]

I think that TG is gonna fuck somone on that show.

[MrShow52]

I would say she's just as passable as either of you. Maybe you're prettier, but you both still look like men, sorry.

[Solitary Brother]

I think the girl is very passable.
Im really surprised at the negative comments coming from you girls.
Jen you really need to stop.
I wish this young girl nothing but success.
She looks Jewish but better looking than the typical.

[10th letter]

I think the girl is very passable.
Im really surprised at the negative comments coming from you girls.
Jen you really need to stop.
I wish this young girl nothing but success.
She looks Jewish but better looking than the typical.

ill bite

FUCK U

[needsum]

I wouldn't go as far as saying shes ugly, but she definitely doesn't hold a candle to Jen and Alyssa. This girl still looks like she used to be a man. Our lovely ladies look like, well, lovely ladies!

[tsntx]

I wouldn't go as far as saying shes ugly, but she definitely doesn't hold a candle to Jen and Alyssa. This girl still looks like she used to be a man. Our lovely ladies look like, well, lovely ladies!

thank you

i didnt say she was ugly. i said she was homely. and she looks very masc. in the face. i dont get why some girls feel that the plainer the look the more passable they are... just bc a guy doesnt wanna take a 2nd look at you doesnt mean you pass.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

no i do not. i wish i did.

lmao

girl i TOLD you

i broke this shitty useless news yesterday or so.... i TOLD you



she looks like this guy i knew b4 i transitioned at work

his name was gentry and he was like uber god warrior lol

u did. i just didnt see a pic. you were right....aaaagain :?

and LOL @ god warrior. thats my bitch.
I PLANTED THE SEED, AND I WILL SEE THE HARVEST!

I don't see it also. But I also think that some of you girls are way harsh in judging other girls. What happened to being supportive of your own in this very small community we have? Besides, she might have gotten SRS but STILL evolving (I'm sure she will get FFS sometime soon. At least she got the SRS out of the way, Every girl's dream to own one)..like the rest of us.

Enough of that crab mentality of pulling (putting) other girls down for our own amusement.

"We are Family" ~Yasmin Lee

;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[hwbs]

I think the girl is very passable.
Im really surprised at the negative comments coming from you girls.
Jen you really need to stop.
I wish this young girl nothing but success.
She looks Jewish but better looking than the typical.


i have to agree 100 percent this time.....when i read the comments it almost sounds to me like u should of picked a girl off of eros !!!!

[tsntx]

no i do not. i wish i did.

lmao

girl i TOLD you

i broke this shitty useless news yesterday or so.... i TOLD you



she looks like this guy i knew b4 i transitioned at work

his name was gentry and he was like uber god warrior lol

u did. i just didnt see a pic. you were right....aaaagain :?

and LOL @ god warrior. thats my bitch.
I PLANTED THE SEED, AND I WILL SEE THE HARVEST!

I don't see it also. But I also think that some of you girls are way harsh in judging other girls. What happened to being supportive of your own in this very small community we have? Besides, she might have gotten SRS but STILL evolving (I'm sure she will get FFS sometime soon. At least she got the SRS out of the way, Every girl's dream to own one)..like the rest of us.

Enough of that crab mentality of pulling (putting) other girls down for our own amusement.

"We are Family" ~Yasmin Lee

;)

~Kisses.

HTG

if the bitch only wanted to hear nice things said about her she should have stuck to her lil online blog where it was safe vs. coming out to the "real world", so to speak, and putting herself on the chopping block
she ISNT pretty. she looks mannish. these arent comments that are meant to hurt or sting her. they are MY opinion. i dont care if you or someone else thinks i have a crabby attitude bc i dont think some bitch on tv is "pretty". get over it. shes NOT.

im sure me saying that will cause 20 ppl to say the same about me. and thats FINE. i put my pic and my face and my everything out there for the public. i expect to get public opinions. if i only wanted to hear nice things i wouldnt put myself out there... sometimes you guys need to let these girls put the big girl panties on and let them deal w/ their own reality that they put themself in.

what we said was nothing that EVERYONE on here has said about someone else... this isnt a member of the board. this is some "celebrity" that has subjected themself to public ridicule.
i dont see shitty threads posted about guys attitudes when they knock male pornstars. i dont see ppl getting all bent out of shape when someone says jenna jameson looks sick. i dont see all the drama or community bashing when ppl talk shit about brian austin green for bagging megan fox

so why do it to us?

let this homely looking girl go get her vag on tv for the world to see. congradulations. you got a vag. now go get some much needed face work bc you COULD actually be pretty... and buy some mascara while youre at it.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

SHE (the tgirl on mtv) wasn't even the one who posted this. Hello? I just think if you got a problem with her being there reply on her blog instead (if she has one) or take it with MTV? lol This is insane. Criticizing someone we have not even met. Sure her jaw line is still manly but aren't all TG's by birth has manly features and cocks? Are we not all works in progress?

Actors/actresses/models put themselves out there. But that doesn't mean the paparazzi's got the right to hound them. In the same manner, we (Tg's) all go out in public, but that's NOT any invitation for the general public to openly ridicule and humiliate us! It be different if we were criticizing someone's acting say in a movie or what not. But physical appearance? Come on! Beauty is subjective. What is pretty to others may not appeal to most and vice versa.

And while I agree that some should NOT at all transition because they lack that IT factor but then again if we're the one stuck in such predicament.. :roll: (you know where that is going).. lol

I still believe in that old saying "Judge Not, Lest Ye Be Judged."

That is all, I'm saying! Is that so hard to get? ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[Justawannabe]

Good comment Hara...

It's not like we have a list of who tried out to go over and say 'here's the transwoman I would have chosen.' If we did we could criticize their choice of volunteers for the job, and complain about MTV and media representation.

Sean

[dc_guy_75]

WTF? She's not bad looking at all.

[NiceBod]

I think the girl is very passable.
Im really surprised at the negative comments coming from you girls.
Jen you really need to stop.
I wish this young girl nothing but success.
She looks Jewish but better looking than the typical.

ill bite

FUCK U


Welcome back J

[Celeste]

I dont think she ugly or not passable. Shes very plain jane, but each girl has their own look. Shes better than Isis, and Laverne, and MOST girls on this board, for DAMN sure! But all in all.... The world is NOT ready for a really HOT passable ts on TV :shrug

[Prefect]

no i do not. i wish i did.

lmao

girl i TOLD you

i broke this shitty useless news yesterday or so.... i TOLD you



she looks like this guy i knew b4 i transitioned at work

his name was gentry and he was like uber god warrior lol

u did. i just didnt see a pic. you were right....aaaagain :?

and LOL @ god warrior. thats my bitch.
I PLANTED THE SEED, AND I WILL SEE THE HARVEST!

I don't see it also. But I also think that some of you girls are way harsh in judging other girls. What happened to being supportive of your own in this very small community we have? Besides, she might have gotten SRS but STILL evolving (I'm sure she will get FFS sometime soon. At least she got the SRS out of the way, Every girl's dream to own one)..like the rest of us.

Enough of that crab mentality of pulling (putting) other girls down for our own amusement.

"We are Family" ~Yasmin Lee

;)

~Kisses.

HTG

if the bitch only wanted to hear nice things said about her she should have stuck to her lil online blog where it was safe vs. coming out to the "real world", so to speak, and putting herself on the chopping block
she ISNT pretty. she looks mannish. these arent comments that are meant to hurt or sting her. they are MY opinion. i dont care if you or someone else thinks i have a crabby attitude bc i dont think some bitch on tv is "pretty". get over it. shes NOT.

im sure me saying that will cause 20 ppl to say the same about me. and thats FINE. i put my pic and my face and my everything out there for the public. i expect to get public opinions. if i only wanted to hear nice things i wouldnt put myself out there... sometimes you guys need to let these girls put the big girl panties on and let them deal w/ their own reality that they put themself in.

what we said was nothing that EVERYONE on here has said about someone else... this isnt a member of the board. this is some "celebrity" that has subjected themself to public ridicule.
i dont see shitty threads posted about guys attitudes when they knock male pornstars. i dont see ppl getting all bent out of shape when someone says jenna jameson looks sick. i dont see all the drama or community bashing when ppl talk shit about brian austin green for bagging megan fox

so why do it to us?

let this homely looking girl go get her vag on tv for the world to see. congradulations. you got a vag. now go get some much needed face work bc you COULD actually be pretty... and buy some mascara while youre at it.

Welcome to the Hatrix.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7GLn0CpdVA

[Solitary Brother]

You girls shouldnt look for glamour on MTV!
She has to blend......BLEND.
This girl is very passable and nice looking.....if she came on this board and posted a pic or two the admirers would forgot about a lot of you girls so dont feel it.

[BlackMath]

To be honest, I'm more attracted to girls like this Katelynn, than girls that go OTT glam.
That's a very specific mentality though, and I doubt most people share that.

I just don't want a girl who looks like she belongs in a rap video or some shit. I would rather a girl that looks super nice, like Katelynn. Someone who looks like you could hang out with them and just chill.
A girl who looks like a girlfriend, not a quick fuck.

[tsntx]

lol


faggotry

shes not pretty. PLAIN & SIMPLE. just like she looks... plain and simple

[SarahG]

Actors/actresses/models put themselves out there. But that doesn't mean the paparazzi's got the right to hound them. In the same manner, we (Tg's) all go out in public, but that's NOT any invitation for the general public to openly ridicule and humiliate us! It be different if we were criticizing someone's acting say in a movie or what not. But physical appearance? Come on! Beauty is subjective. What is pretty to others may not appeal to most and vice versa.

I agree with your logic to a point, but she is going on a reality tv show, intentionally putting herself in the spotlight knowing full well what those types of shows like to do with their participants. I don't see how anyone with half a brain could go on a show like that and expect to be anything but used as some cheesy novelty or comical element... just as all the non-trans participants on those shows go on knowing they're going to be used (some way or another) to create ratings, and because of that; the general public is going to form their opinions and comment on it (and those comments might not always be nice).

That's a far cry difference from going out in public to say, go grocery shopping as a private individual... and it, IMHO, would be an open invitation if a girl decided to bring a cableTV production crew with her wherever she goes shopping in public during the day. How many of those cheesy cableTV shows have we seen where they followed a nonpassable tgirl around for hours of her day to day life, followed by some scene of her going off to get srs (or recovering from srs)? Sure, it gets trans issues coverage & attention, but at what cost? Do we really want people to think "no tgirls pass" or that its some kind of "impulsive mid-life crisis"? And that's to say nothing of the girls who transition late, get SRS, decide they're done (never get FFS), and flash their cunt any time someone in public reads on them or clocks them. Gee, that's a good way to get the general public to accept us! /sarcasm.

As much as I'd hate to say it, appearances matter in our society and the general public is always going to be more hostile towards those who are physically "different." Least we forget, the stereotype of trans people being "sexual deviants" did not exist in American culture until AFTER hollywood started making it an issue in the 1930's. All through the 20's, trans actresses were very successful and MAINSTREAM in American entertainment, it was hollywood which brought up the idea of it being "some sick perversion" and it was only after that did the religious groups jump on board with that stereotype. And that stereotype has remained to some extent ever since, we've never been able to get passed it entirely, maybe we never will.

[tsntx]

^ great post sarah ^

[longwave]

nothing is ever going to top joey from real world hollywood. so many lolz at that dude.

[EyeCumInPiece]

Couldnt have a pretty/passable girl on, rite? :roll:

Of course not. If they did that then they wouldnt be able to make a mockery of the whole situation. if they wouldve Put you on the show they wouldve really hit a snag when all the GG's (who look like drag queens) get jealous that your getting all the attention from the guys. Now THAT i mightve tuned into.

MTV is a real drag. You figure for such a trendy network, they shouldve had a TS on this show 10-15 fucking years ago. Why are they doing it now?? After its been done so many times already. They shouldve been the innovator. They shouldve had the balls to do it first. Shame on you MTV.

[tsntx]

Couldnt have a pretty/passable girl on, rite? :roll:

Of course not. If they did that then they wouldnt be able to make a mockery of the whole situation. if they wouldve Put you on the show they wouldve really hit a snag when all the GG's (who look like drag queens) get jealous that your getting all the attention from the guys. Now THAT i mightve tuned into.

MTV is a real drag. You figure for such a trendy network, they shouldve had a TS on this show 10-15 fucking years ago. Why are they doing it now?? After its been done so many times already. They shouldve been the innovator. They shouldve had the balls to do it first. Shame on you MTV.

totally agree. they were such a pioneer w 1rst gay castmate pedro n i feel they really dropped the ball... i was in the running 4 rw atx yrs b4 i ever moved here. their loss.

[EyeCumInPiece]

Couldnt have a pretty/passable girl on, rite? :roll:

Of course not. If they did that then they wouldnt be able to make a mockery of the whole situation. if they wouldve Put you on the show they wouldve really hit a snag when all the GG's (who look like drag queens) get jealous that your getting all the attention from the guys. Now THAT i mightve tuned into.

MTV is a real drag. You figure for such a trendy network, they shouldve had a TS on this show 10-15 fucking years ago. Why are they doing it now?? After its been done so many times already. They shouldve been the innovator. They shouldve had the balls to do it first. Shame on you MTV.

totally agree. they were such a pioneer w 1rst gay castmate pedro n i feel they really dropped the ball... i was in the running 4 rw atx yrs b4 i ever moved here. their loss.

Now that wouldve been interesting television.

[wynterthyme]

I think with a tiny bit of work she'd look just like Jennifer Aniston, you can see it in that second pic posted here.

[10th letter]

I think the girl is very passable.
Im really surprised at the negative comments coming from you girls.
Jen you really need to stop.
I wish this young girl nothing but success.
She looks Jewish but better looking than the typical.

ill bite

FUCK U


Welcome back J

thanx bro, i guess if he said "he behaved like a black person except not as violent as the typical", that would have stirred up some noise

[Legend]

Another crappy reality show exploiting a transgender person.I cannot wait to hear all the this is a turning point for tg and let's be happy for her while in true reality they are exploiting this person.I guess the whole thing about reality tv shows is to exploit all people.

[Fox]

I guess the whole thing about reality tv shows is to exploit all people.

And there you have it. ;)

And though she has a ways to go, she doesn't look bad at all. At least from what little I've seen.

[HillaryTS]

To say she isn't pretty is pretty rude and inappropriate.

It's pretty irrelevant how attractive a TG person on TV looks. It's more important that awareness of TG/TS is out there.

I'd much rather see a normal looking person portrayed than some prostitute that will only further degrade the image people already have of TS and transgendered.

[SarahG]

To say she isn't pretty is pretty rude and inappropriate.

It's pretty irrelevant how attractive a TG person on TV looks. It's more important that awareness of TG/TS is out there.

I'd much rather see a normal looking person portrayed than some prostitute that will only further degrade the image people already have of TS and transgendered.

No, the big issue is how people are portrayed, not that they are portrayed.

Awareness is counter productive if it is BAD awareness.

[HillaryTS]

To say she isn't pretty is pretty rude and inappropriate.

It's pretty irrelevant how attractive a TG person on TV looks. It's more important that awareness of TG/TS is out there.

I'd much rather see a normal looking person portrayed than some prostitute that will only further degrade the image people already have of TS and transgendered.

No, the big issue is how people are portrayed, not that they are portrayed.

Awareness is counter productive if it is BAD awareness.

To say that a non-passable transgendered person being portrayed in an assumed positive manner, is worse than the same scenario with a more passable transgendered person is just wrong.

[SarahG]

To say she isn't pretty is pretty rude and inappropriate.

It's pretty irrelevant how attractive a TG person on TV looks. It's more important that awareness of TG/TS is out there.

I'd much rather see a normal looking person portrayed than some prostitute that will only further degrade the image people already have of TS and transgendered.

No, the big issue is how people are portrayed, not that they are portrayed.

Awareness is counter productive if it is BAD awareness.

To say that a non-passable transgendered person being portrayed in an assumed positive manner, is worse than the same scenario with a more passable transgendered person is just wrong.

You're right, that would be incorrect on general terms.

But I am talking about bad awareness, bad attention- i.e. stereotypes.

If all the general public ever sees in relation to trans stuff, are bad, then that is going to impact any time they do end up dealing with a trans person.

If the general public are made to believe, via the newspapers & TV shows, that trans people are middle aged sexual deviants who like to put on hose to jerk off, that's going to be bad for our discrimination problems.

A HR person, under such misconceptions, hiring someone for a job that deals with children, is probably going to not even respond to a trans job applicant if all they ever see are stories like this (for instance):
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2009517.ece

The idea that all trans people are sexual perverts is just one bad stereotype among MANY that our community has to deal with. It is just as bad for the general public to think that transitioning is some impulsive mid life crisis.

And yes, it is also bad if the general public are led to believe that all trans people are nonpassing middle aged guys putting on dresses.

The TYPE of publicity is the most important thing, not who the individual is in the spotlight.

[tsntx]

The TYPE of publicity is the most important thing, not who the individual is in the spotlight.




agreed^^^
and that goes for all stereotypes

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Actors/actresses/models put themselves out there. But that doesn't mean the paparazzi's got the right to hound them. In the same manner, we (Tg's) all go out in public, but that's NOT any invitation for the general public to openly ridicule and humiliate us! It be different if we were criticizing someone's acting say in a movie or what not. But physical appearance? Come on! Beauty is subjective. What is pretty to others may not appeal to most and vice versa.

I agree with your logic to a point, but she is going on a reality tv show, intentionally putting herself in the spotlight knowing full well what those types of shows like to do with their participants. I don't see how anyone with half a brain could go on a show like that and expect to be anything but used as some cheesy novelty or comical element... just as all the non-trans participants on those shows go on knowing they're going to be used (some way or another) to create ratings, and because of that; the general public is going to form their opinions and comment on it (and those comments might not always be nice).

That's a far cry difference from going out in public to say, go grocery shopping as a private individual... and it, IMHO, would be an open invitation if a girl decided to bring a cableTV production crew with her wherever she goes shopping in public during the day. How many of those cheesy cableTV shows have we seen where they followed a nonpassable tgirl around for hours of her day to day life, followed by some scene of her going off to get srs (or recovering from srs)? Sure, it gets trans issues coverage & attention, but at what cost? Do we really want people to think "no tgirls pass" or that its some kind of "impulsive mid-life crisis"? And that's to say nothing of the girls who transition late, get SRS, decide they're done (never get FFS), and flash their cunt any time someone in public reads on them or clocks them. Gee, that's a good way to get the general public to accept us! /sarcasm.

As much as I'd hate to say it, appearances matter in our society and the general public is always going to be more hostile towards those who are physically "different." Least we forget, the stereotype of trans people being "sexual deviants" did not exist in American culture until AFTER hollywood started making it an issue in the 1930's. All through the 20's, trans actresses were very successful and MAINSTREAM in American entertainment, it was hollywood which brought up the idea of it being "some sick perversion" and it was only after that did the religious groups jump on board with that stereotype. And that stereotype has remained to some extent ever since, we've never been able to get passed it entirely, maybe we never will.

You've made good points Sarah. But then again, her being on MTV's The Real World is much tamer and slightly better than being on Maury's or Jerry is it not? Also, who are we to judge and or conclude that after SRS she wouldn't do something about those jaws and not get FFS? For all we know, whatever she makes (yes I know for a fact that they get paid for doing the show and not a measly $500 bucks like some talk shows) she'll probably saving it for FFS (Just a hunch)?

All I a pointing out is this: It is quite understandable if someone (out of the community) says something negative towards fellow TG's. We can just assume they don't have any idea what it's like being a transgender. BUT negativity coming from fellow tg's is another issue all together. And that is truly sad if you ask me. ;) How do we change the general public's perception about us if we ourselves are always so negative of our own?!?

~Kisses.

HTG

[rabidroyboy]

Good comment Hara...

It's not like we have a list of who tried out to go over and say 'here's the transwoman I would have chosen.' If we did we could criticize their choice of volunteers for the job, and complain about MTV and media representation.

Sean

Hara has the best personality of any girl on this board. She is very pretty and intelligent, too.

Every time I read her posts I like her more and more.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Thanks rabidroyboy. :P

~Kisses.

HTG

[tsntx]

You've made good points Sarah. But then again, her being on MTV's The Real World is much tamer and slightly better than being on Maury's or Jerry is it not? Also, who are we to judge and or conclude that after SRS she wouldn't do something about those jaws and not get FFS? For all we know, whatever she makes (yes I know for a fact that they get paid for doing the show and not a measly $500 bucks like some talk shows) she'll probably saving it for FFS (Just a hunch)?

All I a pointing out is this: It is quite understandable if someone (out of the community) says something negative towards fellow TG's. We can just assume they don't have any idea what it's like being a transgender. BUT negativity coming from fellow tg's is another issue all together. And that is truly sad if you ask me. ;) How do we change the general public's perception about us if we ourselves are always so negative of our own?!?

~Kisses.

HTG

hara, i dont have a problem w/ you so dont take this personally... stfu

you cut on the girls looks talking about her much needed ffs and jaw work, you cut on girls that have tried to make some sort of legit career, maury or jerry isnt a bad thing if you use it for the exposure to further yourself, i havent seen YOU on real tv and im sure its bc you havent been offered.... so its easy to turn down and make light of something you cant achieve..... way to keep that "crab mentality" thing going tho! great job.

oh and the RW pays $250 a day, youre responsible for your own food, clothes, and anything else you need money for except housing. filming takes place over 45 days, you dont get extra from ANY liscencing- books, magazines, toys, etc etc and then you take away for taxes and other things and its not nearly enough.... plus shes gotta pay off that slicked up new vagina

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

You've made good points Sarah. But then again, her being on MTV's The Real World is much tamer and slightly better than being on Maury's or Jerry is it not? Also, who are we to judge and or conclude that after SRS she wouldn't do something about those jaws and not get FFS? For all we know, whatever she makes (yes I know for a fact that they get paid for doing the show and not a measly $500 bucks like some talk shows) she'll probably saving it for FFS (Just a hunch)?

All I a pointing out is this: It is quite understandable if someone (out of the community) says something negative towards fellow TG's. We can just assume they don't have any idea what it's like being a transgender. BUT negativity coming from fellow tg's is another issue all together. And that is truly sad if you ask me. ;) How do we change the general public's perception about us if we ourselves are always so negative of our own?!?

~Kisses.

HTG

hara, i dont have a problem w/ you so dont take this personally... stfu

you cut on the girls looks talking about her much needed ffs and jaw work, you cut on girls that have tried to make some sort of legit career, maury or jerry isnt a bad thing if you use it for the exposure to further yourself, i havent seen YOU on real tv and im sure its bc you havent been offered.... so its easy to turn down and make light of something you cant achieve..... way to keep that "crab mentality" thing going tho! great job.

oh and the RW pays $250 a day, youre responsible for your own food, clothes, and anything else you need money for except housing. filming takes place over 45 days, you dont get extra from ANY liscencing- books, magazines, toys, etc etc and then you take away for taxes and other things and its not nearly enough.... plus shes gotta pay off that shicked up new vagina

Jen, I've got no problem with you either. Just having conversation about what was said and how it's NOT helping our community any - bottomline! I was only agreeing with someone (was that YOU?) who said something about her jaw being masculine (not like I added even more hurtful comments to what was already said). So shut up!

Also, I'm more of a private person (If you can't tell). If I wasn't, I would have already re-shoot for grooby awhile back. I've turned down ding porn/fetish vids, interviews etc. So what makes you think that I would be dying (desperate?) to be on tv at the expense of being judged and ridiculed by people I don't care to know, muchless care about for ameasly couple hundred bucks? No thanks! I make decent money working a day job. But that's me. We are all different. Some girls are like moths to a flame that's their business while others are NOT!

~Kisses.

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[Solitary Brother]

You've made good points Sarah. But then again, her being on MTV's The Real World is much tamer and slightly better than being on Maury's or Jerry is it not? Also, who are we to judge and or conclude that after SRS she wouldn't do something about those jaws and not get FFS? For all we know, whatever she makes (yes I know for a fact that they get paid for doing the show and not a measly $500 bucks like some talk shows) she'll probably saving it for FFS (Just a hunch)?

All I a pointing out is this: It is quite understandable if someone (out of the community) says something negative towards fellow TG's. We can just assume they don't have any idea what it's like being a transgender. BUT negativity coming from fellow tg's is another issue all together. And that is truly sad if you ask me. ;) How do we change the general public's perception about us if we ourselves are always so negative of our own?!?

~Kisses.

HTG

hara, i dont have a problem w/ you so dont take this personally... stfu

you cut on the girls looks talking about her much needed ffs and jaw work, you cut on girls that have tried to make some sort of legit career, maury or jerry isnt a bad thing if you use it for the exposure to further yourself, i havent seen YOU on real tv and im sure its bc you havent been offered.... so its easy to turn down and make light of something you cant achieve..... way to keep that "crab mentality" thing going tho! great job.

oh and the RW pays $250 a day, youre responsible for your own food, clothes, and anything else you need money for except housing. filming takes place over 45 days, you dont get extra from ANY liscencing- books, magazines, toys, etc etc and then you take away for taxes and other things and its not nearly enough.... plus shes gotta pay off that slicked up new vagina

Wow
How ANYONE can think Jerry Springer is a plus is beyond me.
HE IS USING THOSE GIRLS TO MAKE money.........MONEY...that is ALL he cares about.
You and Mimi and any other girl that went on that show were paraded around like circus freaks.
Almost all that TV stuff exploits girls and degrades them and make mucho money for those hook nosed bastards.
I dont agree with this girl doing MTV but at least there is the appearance of her being a normal person.

The ONLY way transgenders will be portrayed accurately and with respect is to do it themselves.
The dominant culture does not care about you other than to mock exploit and or kill you.

[Legend]

You've made good points Sarah. But then again, her being on MTV's The Real World is much tamer and slightly better than being on Maury's or Jerry is it not? Also, who are we to judge and or conclude that after SRS she wouldn't do something about those jaws and not get FFS? For all we know, whatever she makes (yes I know for a fact that they get paid for doing the show and not a measly $500 bucks like some talk shows) she'll probably saving it for FFS (Just a hunch)?

All I a pointing out is this: It is quite understandable if someone (out of the community) says something negative towards fellow TG's. We can just assume they don't have any idea what it's like being a transgender. BUT negativity coming from fellow tg's is another issue all together. And that is truly sad if you ask me. ;) How do we change the general public's perception about us if we ourselves are always so negative of our own?!?

~Kisses.

HTG


The real world is no different then any of those crappy "reality" tv shows from shows i've watched i have seen,


1.Some gay dude bitch slapping some girl for no reason.
2.Some guy getting his teeth knocked out.
3.Some black guy almost beating the shit out of some white guy because he called him the n word.
4.Countless people arrested for fighting and being drunk.
5.Someone saying they are glad another person with aids passed away by saying good riddance.


I can go on but it's really the same as those others shows.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

You've made good points Sarah. But then again, her being on MTV's The Real World is much tamer and slightly better than being on Maury's or Jerry is it not? Also, who are we to judge and or conclude that after SRS she wouldn't do something about those jaws and not get FFS? For all we know, whatever she makes (yes I know for a fact that they get paid for doing the show and not a measly $500 bucks like some talk shows) she'll probably saving it for FFS (Just a hunch)?

All I a pointing out is this: It is quite understandable if someone (out of the community) says something negative towards fellow TG's. We can just assume they don't have any idea what it's like being a transgender. BUT negativity coming from fellow tg's is another issue all together. And that is truly sad if you ask me. ;) How do we change the general public's perception about us if we ourselves are always so negative of our own?!?

~Kisses.

HTG


The real world is no different then any of those crappy "reality" tv shows from shows i've watched i have seen,


1.Some gay dude bitch slapping some girl for no reason.
2.Some guy getting his teeth knocked out.
3.Some black guy almost beating the shit out of some white guy because he called him the n word.
4.Countless people arrested for fighting and being drunk.
5.Someone saying they are glad another person with aids passed away by saying good riddance.


I can go on but it's really the same as those others shows.

I was NOT knocking down talk shows but someone who's appeared on a talk show was knocking down someone appearing in TRW. I said TRW is a lot 'tamer'. I didn't say it was better (I said slightly better) than those talk shows, silly! lol ;)

Talk shows, reality shows = same difference to me. They both exploit people. And people who hungers for fame and attention in return trade in their dignity for some exposure and cash!

Cash can be earned doing an honest days work, is it not? ;)

~Kisses.

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[SarahG]

[ But then again, her being on MTV's The Real World is much tamer and slightly better than being on Maury's or Jerry is it not?

I wouldn't know, I stopped watching MTV after they stopped playing music videos LOL!


Also, who are we to judge and or conclude that after SRS she wouldn't do something about those jaws and not get FFS? For all we know, whatever she makes (yes I know for a fact that they get paid for doing the show and not a measly $500 bucks like some talk shows) she'll probably saving it for FFS (Just a hunch)?

Agreed, all I am saying is that these cheesy cabletv shows have a habit of picking the least passable girls around, and that's counter productive in the long run.


BUT negativity coming from fellow tg's is another issue all together. And that is truly sad if you ask me. ;) How do we change the general public's perception about us if we ourselves are always so negative of our own?!?

I see your point but I think it is pretty obvious that the community has a lot of tension resulting from these bad stereotypes. When these stereotypes cause drama for girls, of course it is going to influence their opinion on late transitioners, TV's, and AG's. I know a lot of trans girls (I am sure we all do) who hate late transitioners and/or TV's strictly because of all that drama; drama that is created by the stereotypes some (not all) in those groups help proliferate.

I personally could care less if someone passes, could care less if someone is a TV or AG, but I understand why that tension is there... I certainly have a lot of my own experiences to show how those stereotypes created by those groups have directly impacted MY quality of life.

But I do care if all the mass media (newspapers, news tv, or tv shows) only shows trans issues in lights such as this;
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2009517.ece

The trans community, if it can even be called that, really does need a reality check on some of the in fighting. There was a late transitioner in Canada a few years back who actually lobbied to get HRT coverage removed from NHS, probably because of her disapproval that some could transition early, while she could not (or more accurately; thought she could not). This would not be a problem except that in Canada, it is very hard to get access to HRT without going threw NHS, since you pretty much have to do it threw slips (their customs are very strict about keeping hrt out of the country's incoming mail). And as we all know, the only people who pay "sticker price" for medical treatments, are those who don't have the treatments covered under health care policies (if I walk in a ER, pretend to need my appendix out and don't mention I have insurance, I am looking at $20k for the surgery... if I did the same while showing my insurance card, the hospital will NOT bill anything nearly that high- prescriptions are the same way, even in Canada). But that's all off topic, because what we have here in this context, is someone who is choosing, and going out of her way to enter the public spotlight... and thus the bar is "higher" on what she does with that spotlight, and what its ramifications will be for everyone else.

We won't know what she does in the spotlight, how MTV's producers will run the show, and for all we know this could be great, useful, educational attention. But given the track record of these tv shows, I think it is entirely reasonable to sigh with a "ug, not again" everytime one of these plots comes up (even before the show airs).

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

[ But then again, her being on MTV's The Real World is much tamer and slightly better than being on Maury's or Jerry is it not?

I wouldn't know, I stopped watching MTV after they stopped playing music videos LOL!

I hear you! lol I don't really watch much of their programs either.



Also, who are we to judge and or conclude that after SRS she wouldn't do something about those jaws and not get FFS? For all we know, whatever she makes (yes I know for a fact that they get paid for doing the show and not a measly $500 bucks like some talk shows) she'll probably saving it for FFS (Just a hunch)?

Agreed, all I am saying is that these cheesy cabletv shows have a habit of picking the least passable girls around, and that's counter productive in the long run.

True. That's because she is the show! lol Imagine if they cast an extremely passable tgirl? That wouldn't be as talked about like this thread is now.



BUT negativity coming from fellow tg's is another issue all together. And that is truly sad if you ask me. ;) How do we change the general public's perception about us if we ourselves are always so negative of our own?!?

I see your point but I think it is pretty obvious that the community has a lot of tension resulting from these bad stereotypes.

There is tension and in fighting because inside our own community, hierarchy does exist much like in high school where we have the popular pretty and rich girls, the jocks, nerds etc.

~Kisses.

HTG

[tsntx]

You've made good points Sarah. But then again, her being on MTV's The Real World is much tamer and slightly better than being on Maury's or Jerry is it not? Also, who are we to judge and or conclude that after SRS she wouldn't do something about those jaws and not get FFS? For all we know, whatever she makes (yes I know for a fact that they get paid for doing the show and not a measly $500 bucks like some talk shows) she'll probably saving it for FFS (Just a hunch)?

All I a pointing out is this: It is quite understandable if someone (out of the community) says something negative towards fellow TG's. We can just assume they don't have any idea what it's like being a transgender. BUT negativity coming from fellow tg's is another issue all together. And that is truly sad if you ask me. ;) How do we change the general public's perception about us if we ourselves are always so negative of our own?!?

~Kisses.

HTG

hara, i dont have a problem w/ you so dont take this personally... stfu

you cut on the girls looks talking about her much needed ffs and jaw work, you cut on girls that have tried to make some sort of legit career, maury or jerry isnt a bad thing if you use it for the exposure to further yourself, i havent seen YOU on real tv and im sure its bc you havent been offered.... so its easy to turn down and make light of something you cant achieve..... way to keep that "crab mentality" thing going tho! great job.

oh and the RW pays $250 a day, youre responsible for your own food, clothes, and anything else you need money for except housing. filming takes place over 45 days, you dont get extra from ANY liscencing- books, magazines, toys, etc etc and then you take away for taxes and other things and its not nearly enough.... plus shes gotta pay off that shicked up new vagina

Jen, I've got no problem with you either. Just having conversation about what was said and how it's NOT helping our community any - bottomline! I was only agreeing with someone (was that YOU?) who said something about her jaw being masculine (not like I added even more hurtful comments to what was already said). So shut up!

Also, I'm more of a private person (If you can't tell). If I wasn't, I would have already re-shoot for grooby awhile back. I've turned down ding porn/fetish vids, interviews etc. So what makes you think that I would be dying (desperate?) to be on tv at the expense of being judged and ridiculed by people I don't care to know, muchless care about for ameasly couple hundred bucks? No thanks! I make decent money working a day job. But that's me. We are all different. Some girls are like moths to a flame that's their business while others are NOT!

~Kisses.

HTG

1. why is it ok for you to agree w/ others about her plain, masc. appearance but for whoever said it first has a "crab mentality"? i would think, going by the definition you posted, that the ones that jump in and pull down are just as bad...

2. i never said you were dying or desperate for attn. but theres obviously some kinda need for you to make hypocriticals posts


solitary said How ANYONE can think Jerry Springer is a plus is beyond me.
HE IS USING THOSE GIRLS TO MAKE money.........MONEY...that is ALL he cares about.

1. i wasnt on jerry.

2. i used the situation for... $, free trip w/ my gf, more exposure for myself and my legit career


hara then said I was NOT knocking down talk shows but someone who's appeared on a talk show was knocking down someone appearing in TRW. I said TRW is a lot 'tamer'. I didn't say it was better

i never did either. so why bring it up unless you did?

[SarahG]

There is tension and in fighting because inside our own community, hierarchy does exist much like in high school where we have the popular pretty and rich girls, the jocks, nerds etc.

~Kisses.

HTG

I disagree. Sure there is a hierarchy like high school (then again, EVERYTHING for everyone, trans or not- is like high school in that regard) but there are also bad stereotypes that impact people's day to day lives, and that means tension.

I'll give a personal example (actually two) that I know isn't unique to me; when I started my transition, my family made it out to be a major big deal (and not in a good way). When talking to my family individually about it, the reason for all the tension, fighting and insults was because everyone in my family didn't know that passable trans girls existed.

The ONLY exposure they ever had to trans people, was that stereotype of married middle aged white "guys transitioning as a sudden midlife crisis". They didn't know passable girls existed, and so with that bad stereotype in mind, they immediately became extremely hostile fearing that I would "end up looking like THAT!" I know other people who have had similar experiences, and if someone gets kicked out of home (because their parents' exposure was limited to that stereotype and it caused them to freak out) then sure, some girls are going to be hostile towards the late transitioners that used the spotlight to make that stereotype possible.

Other example I have; I finished HS among the top of my class, but I can't prove I went there. My school has refused to give me a new diploma, and has refused to use my legal (new) name in the event a potential employer calls them to check up on my resume- and since I live in stealth, that means I won't even mention high school on my resume. The reason for the trouble? The lady at the school that handles the records department's exposure to trans people has been limited to the "50 year old retired NHL player TV putting on hose to jerk off" stereotype, and doesn't want the school to be associated with "sexual deviants." I know others who have had similar problems (I even know a trans girl a couple years older than me who graduated from the same school two years above me), and sure some of them hate TV's because of all the bullshit that stereotype has caused them to have to deal with.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

1. why is it ok for you to agree w/ others about her plain, masc. appearance but for whoever said it first has a "crab mentality"? i would think, going by the definition you posted, that the ones that jump in and pull down are just as bad...

Girl, saw both sides of the coin. I agreed with you but also said that sometimes your comment too much. Here's what you've said:




thank you

i didnt say she was ugly. i said she was homely. and she looks very masc. in the face. i dont get why some girls feel that the plainer the look the more passable they are... just bc a guy doesnt wanna take a 2nd look at you doesnt mean you pass.

I mean, who gives a fuck? If she is masculine in the face or if she couldn't pass amidst having a vagina? That's her problem not ours! lol


2. i never said you were dying or desperate for attn. but theres obviously some kinda need for you to make hypocriticals posts

I'm NOT being a hypocrite. All I'm saying is enough! There is enough negativity coming from outside that we need not add more. Does that make sense?



hara then said I was NOT knocking down talk shows but someone who's appeared on a talk show was knocking down someone appearing in TRW. I said TRW is a lot 'tamer'. I didn't say it was better

i never did either. so why bring it up unless you did?

No, Legend did. That comment wasn't for you? Geessh.. lol

~Kisses.

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[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

There is tension and in fighting because inside our own community, hierarchy does exist much like in high school where we have the popular pretty and rich girls, the jocks, nerds etc.

~Kisses.

HTG

I disagree. Sure there is a hierarchy like high school (then again, EVERYTHING for everyone, trans or not- is like high school in that regard) but there are also bad stereotypes that impact people's day to day lives, and that means tension.

I'll give a personal example (actually two) that I know isn't unique to me; when I started my transition, my family made it out to be a major big deal (and not in a good way). When talking to my family individually about it, the reason for all the tension, fighting and insults was because everyone in my family didn't know that passable trans girls existed.

The ONLY exposure they ever had to trans people, was that stereotype of married middle aged white "guys transitioning as a sudden midlife crisis". They didn't know passable girls existed, and so with that bad stereotype in mind, they immediately became extremely hostile fearing that I would "end up looking like THAT!" I know other people who have had similar experiences, and if someone gets kicked out of home (because their parents' exposure was limited to that stereotype and it caused them to freak out) then sure, some girls are going to be hostile towards the late transitioners that used the spotlight to make that stereotype possible.

Other example I have; I finished HS among the top of my class, but I can't prove I went there. My school has refused to give me a new diploma, and has refused to use my legal (new) name in the event a potential employer calls them to check up on my resume- and since I live in stealth, that means I won't even mention high school on my resume. The reason for the trouble? The lady at the school that handles the records department's exposure to trans people has been limited to the "50 year old retired NHL player TV putting on hose to jerk off" stereotype, and doesn't want the school to be associated with "sexual deviants." I know others who have had similar problems (I even know a trans girl a couple years older than me who graduated from the same school two years above me), and sure some of them hate TV's because of all the bullshit that stereotype has caused them to have to deal with.

Oh no. I was more referring to the hierarchy that exist within our community. Ex. TS'es don't like TV's and TV's don't like TS'es( things of that nature_. TS'es don't want to be associated with TV's while TV's envy on TS'es for being passable. Add to that intersexed people and translesbians. It gets a lot messier. lol Sorry for the confusion.

~Kisses.

HTG

[keepingitreal470]

You've made good points Sarah. But then again, her being on MTV's The Real World is much tamer and slightly better than being on Maury's or Jerry is it not? Also, who are we to judge and or conclude that after SRS she wouldn't do something about those jaws and not get FFS? For all we know, whatever she makes (yes I know for a fact that they get paid for doing the show and not a measly $500 bucks like some talk shows) she'll probably saving it for FFS (Just a hunch)?

All I a pointing out is this: It is quite understandable if someone (out of the community) says something negative towards fellow TG's. We can just assume they don't have any idea what it's like being a transgender. BUT negativity coming from fellow tg's is another issue all together. And that is truly sad if you ask me. ;) How do we change the general public's perception about us if we ourselves are always so negative of our own?!?

~Kisses.

HTG

hara, i dont have a problem w/ you so dont take this personally... stfu

you cut on the girls looks talking about her much needed ffs and jaw work, you cut on girls that have tried to make some sort of legit career, maury or jerry isnt a bad thing if you use it for the exposure to further yourself, i havent seen YOU on real tv and im sure its bc you havent been offered.... so its easy to turn down and make light of something you cant achieve..... way to keep that "crab mentality" thing going tho! great job.

oh and the RW pays $250 a day, youre responsible for your own food, clothes, and anything else you need money for except housing. filming takes place over 45 days, you dont get extra from ANY liscencing- books, magazines, toys, etc etc and then you take away for taxes and other things and its not nearly enough.... plus shes gotta pay off that slicked up new vaginaIts reality tv. It aint supposed to pay like network tv. First off, most of reality tv is non-union with a few exceptions(like American Idol). Part of the negotitations for the new SAG/AFTRA tv contract involve reality tv. We as performers dont think any of reality tv should be produced under union contracts, because contestants or participants(thats what you are on a reality tv show) should NEVER get paid the same as a performer. And definately should not be entitled to any residuals.The current scale for SAG/AFTRA performers starts at $580 a day. But both unions vary in that scale depending if its network or cable. My last tv job paid $750 a day with residuals. Reality shows would rather stay non-union so they can pay very low rates without residuals. And a lot of us want them to stay that way too.

[SarahG]

Oh no. I was more referring to the hierarchy that exist within our community. Ex. TS'es don't like TV's and TV's don't like TS'es( things of that nature_. TS'es don't want to be associated with TV's while TV's envy on TS'es for being passable. Add to that intersexed people and translesbians. It gets a lot messier. lol Sorry for the confusion.

~Kisses.

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Right, what I am saying (uber oversimplified) is:

why would the TSes like the TV's when the TV's create these harmful "sexual deviant" stereotypes?

why would the TV's like the TSes when the TSes keep bringing up that TV is a sexual fetish in the DSM?

why would early transitioners like late transitioners when late transitioners create these harmful "its an impuslive mid life crisis" stereotypes?

why would trans people in adult entertainment & sex work like trans people with "mainstream jobs" when trans people with "mainstream jobs" look down on the industry and claim to be "above that" (as if its inferior).

why would trans people with "mainstream jobs" like trans people in adult entertainment & sex work when it leads some people to think all trans girls are prostitutes?

And so on.

BTW I am not saying I subscribe to any of those views, I am talking theory here (just for clarification!).

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Right. And this is why there is a giant rift/divide inside the TG community! :?

~Kisses.

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[tsntx]

You've made good points Sarah. But then again, her being on MTV's The Real World is much tamer and slightly better than being on Maury's or Jerry is it not? Also, who are we to judge and or conclude that after SRS she wouldn't do something about those jaws and not get FFS? For all we know, whatever she makes (yes I know for a fact that they get paid for doing the show and not a measly $500 bucks like some talk shows) she'll probably saving it for FFS (Just a hunch)?

All I a pointing out is this: It is quite understandable if someone (out of the community) says something negative towards fellow TG's. We can just assume they don't have any idea what it's like being a transgender. BUT negativity coming from fellow tg's is another issue all together. And that is truly sad if you ask me. ;) How do we change the general public's perception about us if we ourselves are always so negative of our own?!?

~Kisses.

HTG

hara, i dont have a problem w/ you so dont take this personally... stfu

you cut on the girls looks talking about her much needed ffs and jaw work, you cut on girls that have tried to make some sort of legit career, maury or jerry isnt a bad thing if you use it for the exposure to further yourself, i havent seen YOU on real tv and im sure its bc you havent been offered.... so its easy to turn down and make light of something you cant achieve..... way to keep that "crab mentality" thing going tho! great job.

oh and the RW pays $250 a day, youre responsible for your own food, clothes, and anything else you need money for except housing. filming takes place over 45 days, you dont get extra from ANY liscencing- books, magazines, toys, etc etc and then you take away for taxes and other things and its not nearly enough.... plus shes gotta pay off that slicked up new vaginaIts reality tv. It aint supposed to pay like network tv. First off, most of reality tv is non-union with a few exceptions(like American Idol). Part of the negotitations for the new SAG/AFTRA tv contract involve reality tv. We as performers dont think any of reality tv should be produced under union contracts, because contestants or participants(thats what you are on a reality tv show) should NEVER get paid the same as a performer. And definately should not be entitled to any residuals.The current scale for SAG/AFTRA performers starts at $580 a day. But both unions vary in that scale depending if its network or cable. My last tv job paid $750 a day with residuals. Reality shows would rather stay non-union so they can pay very low rates without residuals. And a lot of us want them to stay that way too.

i wasnt complaining. i was informing. much like you are now. i have insider info and i was sharing it to dispell the notion this girl is getting stacks. shes not.

[tsntx]

Right. And this is why there is a giant rift/divide inside the TG community! :?

~Kisses.

HTG

girl gtfoi seriously. its not your fight. who cares. ppl will think what they will either way... you making bs threads isnt helping the cause here on the homefront on HA. so just everyone take a collective sigh and get over it and just be glad u dont look like that mannish girl and that ppl are talking about you bc you went on tv. damn.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Right. And this is why there is a giant rift/divide inside the TG community! :?

~Kisses.

HTG

girl gtfoi seriously. its not your fight. who cares. ppl will think what they will either way... you making bs threads isnt helping the cause here on the homefront on HA. so just everyone take a collective sigh and get over it and just be glad u dont look like that mannish girl and that ppl are talking about you bc you went on tv. damn.

lol Girl, you crack me up! :lol: I know it's not my fight. Was merely saying what i think about it. Our home front i.e. HA and offline would be a lot better if everyone would pray for world peace instead of criticizing/blaming others for things beyond our control! ;) No one knew we'd have our 1st black president, but we did.."We can do it" too as a community! :P

End rant..

~Kisses.

HTG

[Remy757Photog]

I despise 'reality shows'!! Anyone in the Entertainment business for good or ill is setting themselves up for good and bad criticism. I think this girl looks good, still could use some work, but not bad. Everyone has their opinion and I get what Tsntx is saying and got a laugh from her 'read', her remark was just a little too scathing. lol I do, also agree that the whole community has to lower the 'negativity' amongst each other though, it's not good for anyone.

All who appear on 'reality tv' are clearly looking for 15 minutes of fame, so hopefully she'll have her business cap on and try and parlay whatever situation she makes out of the show into something more or else what was the point right? I haven't watched MTv since the mid to late 90's when even RW was good, and I wont be tuning in to this season either. If you want good 'drama' read a book or buy a movie. Regardless, I still wish the best in life to us all, as should everyone else.

[tsntx]

I despise 'reality shows'!! Anyone in the Entertainment business for good or ill is setting themselves up for good and bad criticism. I think this girl looks good, still could use some work, but not bad. Everyone has their opinion and I get what Tsntx is saying and got a laugh from her 'read', her remark was just a little too scathing. lol I do, also agree that the whole community has to lower the 'negativity' amongst each other though, it's not good for anyone.

All who appear on 'reality tv' are clearly looking for 15 minutes of fame, so hopefully she'll have her business cap on and try and parlay whatever situation she makes out of the show into something more or else what was the point right? I haven't watched MTv since the mid to late 90's when even RW was good, and I wont be tuning in to this season either. If you want good 'drama' read a book or buy a movie. Regardless, I still wish the best in life to us all, as should everyone else.

damn! all i said was the bitch was plain and homely looking! lmao... seriously... she is tho. but ur post is spot on.

[nicoleneuman24]

CATCH THAT JAW.... im feeling it

[tsntx]

CATCH THAT JAW.... im feeling it


rotflmao


o.... i mean.... girl you have a horrible crab mentality! plz control your hate!

[Alyssa87]

CATCH THAT JAW.... im feeling it


rotflmao


o.... i mean.... girl you have a horrible crab mentality! plz control your hate!

+1
ugh how judgmental. youre bringing down the whole trans community.

[tsntx]

CATCH THAT JAW.... im feeling it


rotflmao


o.... i mean.... girl you have a horrible crab mentality! plz control your hate!

+1
ugh how judgmental. youre bringing down the whole trans community.
lol thnx
shut up b4 i give u crabs too!

[Alyssa87]

http://static.flickr.com/36/79756369_9c15710df3.jpg

I'll take em.

[Thatiger23]

http://static.flickr.com/36/79756369_9c15710df3.jpg

I'll take em.

grr Alyssa now i want some crab legs......:P

[tsntx]

[quote="Alyssa87"]

just remember all you have to do is shave should you get some you dont want

[AsiaMei]

http://static.flickr.com/36/79756369_9c15710df3.jpg

I'll take em.

grr Alyssa now i want some crab legs......:P

yes me too, bytch u carried!

[Alyssa87]

just remember all you have to do is shave should you get some you dont want

she stays shaved 8)




yes me too, bytch u carried!

llevame al chinese buffet POR FAVORR.lol

[nicoleneuman24]

no vengas por mi, ninas :)

[gr4phic4rtist08]

I just think its funny how she thinks she is going to marry her bf....who will probably never show his face on TV. Kudos MTV for bringing more filth to the TV