Fellow Brothas... Should transsexuals on here...

[JamesHunt]

... who regularly call their admirers faggots be referred to by their maiden name, or a masculine synonym of their chosen female name. Aswell as being called a 'he' and not a 'she' ???????

[AmyDaly]

... who regularly call their admirers faggots be referred to by their maiden name, or a masculine synonym of their chosen female name. Aswell as being called a 'he' and not a 'she' ???????

http://smiliesftw.com/x/inoutugh.gif

[mishadark]

... who regularly call their admirers faggots be referred to by their maiden name, or a masculine synonym of their chosen female name. Aswell as being called a 'he' and not a 'she' ???????

Tranny...you mean transvestite?

Its polite to address the person in the gender they represent as.
If its in the UK with a Ts with a GRC Gender Recognition Certificate, you are breaking the law with serious level fines ...if you out them.

Any Trans person who calls a male admirer a faggot, is by defination, calling themselves a male.
...which is weird.

HE WHO DARES WINS, RODNEY

[dc_guy_75]

Why are so so offended that JJ calls you a fag?

Doth protest too much.

[JamesHunt]

... who regularly call their admirers faggots be referred to by their maiden name, or a masculine synonym of their chosen female name. Aswell as being called a 'he' and not a 'she' ???????

Tranny...you mean transvestite?

Its polite to address the person in the gender they represent as.
If its in the UK with a Ts with a GRC Gender Recognition Certificate, you are breaking the law with serious level fines ...if you out them.

Any Trans person who calls a male admirer a faggot, is by defination, calling themselves a male.
...which is weird.

HE WHO DARES WINS, RODNEY

[bellamy]

Oh come on, you prolly are a fag but even if your not so what. Just cause someone calls you a name you don't have to stoop to that lvl and do the same.

[MrsKellyPierce]

lol I think most guys that call girls "TRANNY'S" are walking hypocrites when asking for respect!

[AmyDaly]

lol I think most guys that call girls "TRANNY'S" are walking hypocrites when asking for respect!

That is pretty much was I was thinking when I read the post. Seeing as how its the norm in porn, its ok in that usage, but I certainly would not want to be called a tranny in a real life conversation.

[BeardedOne]

Any Trans person who calls a male admirer a faggot, is by defination, calling themselves a male....which is weird.

That said, if I encounter a gurl that calls me a 'fag' and who is clearly not doing so in jest, the respect-o-meter begins to drop.

Personally, I don't give a flying fart in space if I get called a 'fag' or a 'cocksucker' or whatever derogatory term of the day prevails. It's the intent of the reference that I look for.

I do wonder, however, at the ones that have such disdain for their admirers that they endlessly hurl the F-grenade to the point that they are unwittingly engulfed in their own backdraft.

[jaycanuck]

Oh come on...grow some thick skin. Honestly if you believe what Jen calls you then maybe you think it to be true. I dunno about you, but the last time I had sex with a tgirl I was on top and saw a hot woman in front of me. Jenn wants to call me a faggot, she can go right ahead...all I know is it was hot and felt good. :)

[AmyDaly]

This is kind of related and kind of interesting to hear... I was in a gay bar alone one night and the bar tender told me that there was a straight guy in the bar who was causing drama because he called a couple guys faggots. I had no idea who was doing it or whatever.

So this random dude comes up to me and starts talking to me about how he loves transsexuals and trying to buy me drinks. I could tell he was really drunk and I just wanted to chill by myself, so I told him no and I ended up leaving because this guy wouldn't leave me alone. The bartender walked me outside and told me that he was the one who was causing all the drama and he was the one calling people faggots.

Kind of interesting how people can have such internalized homophobia like that.

[ARMANIXXX]

I think you, James, need to recognize that this is the internet. If ever I get so pissed off at what someone says on it, I'll simply turn the son of a bitch off.

[Solitary Brother]

"Fellow Brothers?"
I have really heard it all now.......

[meditation]

... who regularly call their admirers faggots be referred to by their maiden name, or a masculine synonym of their chosen female name. Aswell as being called a 'he' and not a 'she' ???????

i dont know, two wrongs dont make a right. But i do think it is hypocritical for trans girls to call their partners a faggot. what a horrible word, even if the person is gay.

[Fox]

Rule #1 of the internet: don't take anything said personal, whether intended or not. ;)

[meditation]

Rule #1 of the internet: don't take anything said personal, whether intended or not. ;)

still..theres a person behind the computer :)

[arnie666]

... who regularly call their admirers faggots be referred to by their maiden name, or a masculine synonym of their chosen female name. Aswell as being called a 'he' and not a 'she' ???????

Tranny...you mean transvestite?

Its polite to address the person in the gender they represent as.
If its in the UK with a Ts with a GRC Gender Recognition Certificate, you are breaking the law with serious level fines ...if you out them.

Any Trans person who calls a male admirer a faggot, is by defination, calling themselves a male.
...which is weird.


HE WHO DARES WINS, RODNEY

More stinking laws from Zanu Labour. There will be a law soon telling you how to wipe your own arse so you don't offend any relgious or ethnic groups. Apparently you can get arrested for slagging off the poofters now, what a load of wank.

Could you point a case to me apart from one concerning employment law where someone got done for outing a tranny? Surely it would have appeared in the Daily Mail of which Iam an avid reader .

As for a tranny calling me a faggot online.. who gives a shit. And if certain ones said it , if would give me a woody.

PS James best avatar on the site.

[Fox]

Rule #1 of the internet: don't take anything said personal, whether intended or not. ;)

still..theres a person behind the computer :)

True, true. Still though, people often times become keyboard warriors and say things online they wouldn't say in person, so you gotta have thick skin on the net.

[tsntx]

fuck.

stop being a fag already

[meditation]

Rule #1 of the internet: don't take anything said personal, whether intended or not. ;)

still..theres a person behind the computer :)

True, true. Still though, people often times become keyboard warriors and say things online they wouldn't say in person, so you gotta have thick skin on the net.


i have soft skin. :oops:

[slinky]

lol I think most guys that call girls "TRANNY'S" are walking hypocrites when asking for respect!

Serious question: what is the current PC term guys should be using?

[tsntx]

women?

[Ts CinthyaNY]

... who regularly call their admirers faggots be referred to by their maiden name, or a masculine synonym of their chosen female name. Aswell as being called a 'he' and not a 'she' ???????

You shouldn't even get offended by that if a TS call you that ... I mean if you are sure of your sexuality , so what if someone call you fag... There are more important things you should be more worry of. Like your mortgage or find the next hot TS to suck off ? lol. :D

[JamesHunt]

You shouldn't even get offended by that if a TS call you that ... I mean if you are sure of your sexuality , so what if someone call you fag... There are more important this you are more worry of. Like your mortgage or find the next hot TS to suck off ? lol. :D

err, OK Cynthia, give me some of that Sherry :lol:

[OEMEnemyNum1]

I think most people need to grow a little thick skin. People get called shit all the time, just ignore em.

[Ts CinthyaNY]

You shouldn't even get offended by that if a TS call you that ... I mean if you are sure of your sexuality , so what if someone call you fag... There are more important things you should be more worry of. Like your mortgage or find the next hot TS to suck off ? lol. :D

err, OK Cynthia, give me some of that Sherry :lol:

But seriously, a real man never get intimidated by a label. So the answer to you poll it's that we TS's here work really hard and do our best efforts to be treated as a woman and so be called by our female names.
If I would be talking to you and you call by my male name , will correct you , twice, will correct you and for a third time I would slap you since I am lady and not punch your face like a guy would do it... Got it.!

[Justawannabe]

No offense to the thick skin crowd, but let me go find a way to offend you, and see what you do about it when I tell you to go grow a thicker skin.

Faggot is as loaded a word as any other in existence. People get beat to death over being identified as a 'faggot', it has only a very limited bit to do with being secure in your sexuality.

I can cause a person a lot of social and financial harms with a few nasty words under the right circumstances. This isn't like calling someone a dick or an asshole. Those are clearly personal, and don't carry any other stigma, rightly applied or otherwise.

Faggot isn't even the same as saying someone is gay. It is a derogatory term, it implies a person is lesser and it is okay to attack them. In some circles it becomes almost mandatory.

Admittedly, things are changing in that regard among younger folks, but they haven't changed enough that it's simply a insult you should shrug off.

It is just as offensive as calling a girl by her male name deliberately, and as the local cat fights have demo'd the only way to get at a girl behind her keyboard is to go for things that will actually insult her. Note all the cat fights quickly descend into claims of 'manishness'.

If your aren't using terms like 'nigger' 'kike' 'spic' as part of your regular everyday language you shouldn't be using 'faggot' either. If you'd be potentially afraid of calling a 6'4" boxing champ the word, you shouldn't be using it with the 5'1" starting transitioner either, just because you can take her in a fight. If your gonna go call the cops on someone for saying something that offends you, you'd best never tell anyone they should be more thick skinned.

And yeah, the fact that we even have to have the basic politeness discussion over and over really pisses me off.

Sean

[10th letter]

Oh come on...grow some thick skin. Honestly if you believe what Jen calls you then maybe you think it to be true. I dunno about you, but the last time I had sex with a tgirl I was on top and saw a hot woman in front of me. Jenn wants to call me a faggot, she can go right ahead...all I know is it was hot and felt good. :)

if u were so comfortable in ur skin u wouldnt have to end ur lil speech by telling us ur a top...in fact it would have been ballsy to give ur lil grow thick skin routine and say "i dont know, but the last time i was with a tgirl i was sucking her huge clit and she can call me whatever the fuck she wants, it was fun"

just sayin...

[jaycanuck]

Oh come on...grow some thick skin. Honestly if you believe what Jen calls you then maybe you think it to be true. I dunno about you, but the last time I had sex with a tgirl I was on top and saw a hot woman in front of me. Jenn wants to call me a faggot, she can go right ahead...all I know is it was hot and felt good. :)

if u were so comfortable in ur skin u wouldnt have to end ur lil speech by telling us ur a top...in fact it would have been ballsy to give ur lil grow thick skin routine and say "i dont know, but the last time i was with a tgirl i was sucking her huge clit and she can call me whatever the fuck she wants, it was fun"

just sayin...

uhhh..because the last time I was top. I haven't bottomed because i've never had the the chance...but y'know what there big fella, I'd be open to it...and if it felt good why the hell not. I stilll don't go home crying because someone calls me a faggot. Think before you assume I'm pigeonholing myself. dumb ass

[10th letter]

im not challenging the fact that u were a top or are a top or anything of the sort...im simply stating that ur point would have been better made absent the machismo factor that presumably goes along with top status round these circles...easy there big felleh...im quite sure u were on top, and she looked hot just as u so eloquently described it.,.was just makin a point, which apparently u didnt get...next

[jaycanuck]

Hey I got your point, as I was just describing my last time..no machismo trust me. I'm not the type. By the stand-offish tone of your posts, I'm guessing you are.......or aren't because you ain't getting any and feel you have to lash out. Anyway...it's been fun, but I'm done. Good luck with yourself 4 posts.

[tsmandy]

Faggot is not necessarily a derogatory term guys. I have lots of fag friends, who identify as fags. Get hip to the gay lingo already. Fag and Dyke and queer are only insults to straight people who are freaking out about the things that turn them on. Queer people, we don't give a shit if you call us names, because those names are a source of pride for us.

I don't know what Jen means by saying fag, but the fact that it freaks you guys out so much says alot more about you than it does about her.

[iloveall]

fag = cigarette

[mishadark]

... who regularly call their admirers faggots be referred to by their maiden name, or a masculine synonym of their chosen female name. Aswell as being called a 'he' and not a 'she' ???????

Tranny...you mean transvestite?

Its polite to address the person in the gender they represent as.
If its in the UK with a Ts with a GRC Gender Recognition Certificate, you are breaking the law with serious level fines ...if you out them.

Any Trans person who calls a male admirer a faggot, is by definition, calling themselves a male.
...which is weird.


HE WHO DARES WINS, RODNEY

More stinking laws from Zanu Labour. There will be a law soon telling you how to wipe your own arse so you don't offend any relgious or ethnic groups. Apparently you can get arrested for slagging off the poofters now, what a load of wank.

Could you point a case to me apart from one concerning employment law where someone got done for outing a tranny? Surely it would have appeared in the Daily Mail of which Iam an avid reader .

As for a tranny calling me a faggot online.. who gives a shit. And if certain ones said it , if would give me a woody.

PS James best avatar on the site.

Ts & tv/cd are totally different.
A Ts walks the walk 24/7
Lots are easily "read"
which makes them vulnerable
Hence the GRC law.
Thats not its function
Anyway, show it to a bunch of youths or in a bar & you would be laughed at. Its to stop discrimination in say the work place.
Or to stop the daily mail "outing you"

Yes if a TS and has applied or has her GRC, then under section 22 ( i think it is) she is protected by law and a company or person can not disclose the fact she is, If they were to disclose it then they would be liable for prosecution under the gender recognition act and could well end up in prison along with a rather hefty fine.

It also lets a person marry a partner as long as they are recognised legally as the opposite sex.

Gay people can often be invisible in "straight" society
[sweeping generalisation]
Ts's cant.

Hence the need.
I cnt find any details of prosecutions
but why dont you phone up press for change tomorrow?

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No face photo on your profile?
Why is that?
Ashamed of your inner desires?

I really want to know.[/b] :roll:

I just put the first letter of your name into the
http://www2.b3ta.com/buffyswear/

Though TBH, most of the letters apply to you.

[jaycanuck]

smoke a fag?

[mishadark]

Faggot

Word origin:
The modern slang meaning developed from the standard meaning of "faggot" as "bundle of sticks for burning," presumably with reference to burning at the stake.
Of gay people.

Now that's not very nice for any one of any background, to say it.

So, play nicely.

[Justawannabe]

A lot of words are 'reclaimed' by those they are originally used against for use within their own community, as a sign of inclusion. If used by someone outside the group, or by someone inside to describe someone outside, it still tends to retain its negative value.

Italians I know can call themselves and their friends 'guidos' but if I was to do it I'd be looking at a very tense moment at the least.

If Jen was calling a friend 'her fag' it likely would be fine, but it's a totally other issue when thrown down against someone your obviously trying to insult. Especially when being exclusionary, and saying 'your' one thing, but I'm another, which is how it is used most commonly around here.

Saying something is okay in one limited application is not an excuse to say it should be generally accepted by folks it obviously insults. The N word is not generally accepted as a term for black folks, even though a section of that community has adopted a form of it. While not the same, the principle is similar enough to illustrate the point.

Sean

[MrsKellyPierce]

wow all the guys that answered yes are walking hypocrites...so you are attracted to men then? lol

[10th letter]

Faggot is not necessarily a derogatory term guys. I have lots of fag friends, who identify as fags. Get hip to the gay lingo already. Fag and Dyke and queer are only insults to straight people who are freaking out about the things that turn them on. Queer people, we don't give a shit if you call us names, because those names are a source of pride for us.

I don't know what Jen means by saying fag, but the fact that it freaks you guys out so much says alot more about you than it does about her.

bullshit and u know it...name calling is just as much, if not more, about intent, and the intent was to insult...and thus shameful considering the forum and name caller...

stop pretending like theres no looking down on bttms and fags amongst the girls here...while some may preach they dont care, just take a whiff of the average girls ridiculous assertion that she is into straight guys only hehe and u know good and well, that while she may top him good and well, she portrays a feminine air of superiority towards the girls who are more tops and their faggy boys...

enough bullshit, saying u have fag friends doesnt mean calling someone who doesnt label himself as a flaming fag isnt meant to insult...i have pregnant friends, doesnt mean that i can hurl the term around at any woman i like...

[Silcc69]

<enters thread then proceeds to leave with haste>

[4ever_ngt]

Um anybody forget we're all on a site called "Hung Angels" ??? .. doesn't that make us all fags by definition...maybe i'm wrong here but last time I checked a dick was still a dick...I say just be a lil more secure in ones man or womanhood & not let labels box one's self in

[sockmonkey]

No offense to the thick skin crowd, but let me go find a way to offend you, and see what you do about it when I tell you to go grow a thicker skin.

Faggot is as loaded a word as any other in existence. People get beat to death over being identified as a 'faggot', it has only a very limited bit to do with being secure in your sexuality.

I can cause a person a lot of social and financial harms with a few nasty words under the right circumstances. This isn't like calling someone a dick or an asshole. Those are clearly personal, and don't carry any other stigma, rightly applied or otherwise.

Faggot isn't even the same as saying someone is gay. It is a derogatory term, it implies a person is lesser and it is okay to attack them. In some circles it becomes almost mandatory.


Okay. First, as a preface: I believe that through the impersonality of the internet and the coarsening of society in general (which I'm not 100% opposed to, as I tend to be coarse myself), people (particularly, the sort of people who actively participate on message boards) are starting to lost their sense of decorum that makes polite society at least superficially polite. The by-product of this is a knives-out flavour of hyperbole, bombast, and exercises in self-esteem through the ridicule of others (the difference in this case being, it's not hidden behind the translucent veil of polite society). Basically, people like to be dicks on the internet because there's nobody around to punch them in the mouth for being such a dick.

But, are sentiments that are deserving of ridicule enough excuse to ridicule the person that espouses them? That's not for me to make a moral judgement on, necessarily, but we've all got the free speech to do just that. Everybody can identify someone who's being a dick, or someone who's being an asshole; if you don't believe either word holds negative stigmas, then you're obviously very fond of dicks and assholes (which is perfectly apropos for this board).

Personally, it doesn't matter what kind of insult you cook up; the day I get offended by somebody or something I read on the internet is the day I go hang it up. Save your sensitivities for things that matter and people that actually have an effect on your life; otherwise, you're just being a pussy.

That phrase, "being a pussy," would be loaded with sexist connotation, were it not for the fact that being in the public vernacular has shifted its semantic value. I know scads of gay people, most of who wouldn't hesitate to toss around the word fag. Why is this? Because "being a fag" is just "being a fag" these days, same as "being a pussy" is just "being a pussy." In the vernacular, these words don't have the sexist and homophobic connotations that they do in a literal sense.

How can that be? That can be answered with another question: is "nigga" the same word as "nigger"? Anybody that's been paying attention over the last few decades would agree that it's absolutely not the same word; although they are in all reality the same word, the vernacular has assigned a different connotation and context when you drop the "r" off the end.

I have a black friend who one night at the bar vowed to me that he'd never get upset again if somebody used the n-word on him. His rationale was that (in his words), "I don't act like no nigger, man. I'm a grown-ass man, I got a job, I make child support, and I'm proud of who I am." So I looked at him and said, "Nigger, I'm'a buy you a beer!" Then we got drunk and made fun of people all night.

Just like the larger majority of gay people I know don't get insulted by the word fag. The truth of the matter is, most people I know who could spend all day being insulted have decided that they've got way more worthwhile things to do with their time. And really, isn't that the sort of reaction that makes the most sense? Even if you're the sort of person that gets insulted really, really easily, doesn't it make the most sense to maybe be irked for like half a second, and then go find something more productive to do than wasting time by feeling slighted? Think about it: instead of licking all those paper cuts, you could be having sex with some man, woman, or some variation thereof that actually matters to you.

I guess all I'm really trying to say is, "stop being such a pussy-faggot and go get yourself some pussy, faggot."


Cheers.

[sockmonkey]

edit: i think i got redundant on myself for a second or two here.

[tsmandy]

Faggot is not necessarily a derogatory term guys. I have lots of fag friends, who identify as fags. Get hip to the gay lingo already. Fag and Dyke and queer are only insults to straight people who are freaking out about the things that turn them on. Queer people, we don't give a shit if you call us names, because those names are a source of pride for us.

I don't know what Jen means by saying fag, but the fact that it freaks you guys out so much says alot more about you than it does about her.

bullshit and u know it...name calling is just as much, if not more, about intent, and the intent was to insult...and thus shameful considering the forum and name caller...

stop pretending like theres no looking down on bttms and fags amongst the girls here...while some may preach they dont care, just take a whiff of the average girls ridiculous assertion that she is into straight guys only hehe and u know good and well, that while she may top him good and well, she portrays a feminine air of superiority towards the girls who are more tops and their faggy boys...

enough bullshit, saying u have fag friends doesnt mean calling someone who doesnt label himself as a flaming fag isnt meant to insult...i have pregnant friends, doesnt mean that i can hurl the term around at any woman i like...

I don't think I'm pretending anything, and you might want to do your research before you preach to me. I've been an out queer activist for a long time, and I'm not even remotely straight identified or interested in straight people for that matter.

I really don't give a fuck what Jen Justice calls you guys, if you don't like what she has to say ignore her.

You can call me a faggot, you can call me a cunt, you can call me a whore, you can call me a dyke, and it won't bother me, because I think that faggots, cunts, whores, dykes are beautiful. Just don't call me straight.

My whole point is that if you weren't so conflicted about what turns you on, then it wouldn't bother you if someone called you a faggot. But you are all so desperate to be normal, and to cling to your straightness that you freak out when someone suggests you might be using tranny's to stay in the closet. Get a grip and move on already.

"heterosexuality is the opium of the masses" -Stereototal-

[sockmonkey]

You can call me a faggot, you can call me a cunt, you can call me a whore, you can call me a dyke, and it won't bother me, because I think that faggots, cunts, whores, dykes are beautiful. Just don't call me straight.



Y'know, for a faggotcuntwhoredyke, I think you're keen. You seem like a perfectly nice gal; pleased to make your cyber-acquaintance.

Anyhow. You're spot on with your analysis herein; I can't figure why people are so neurotically narrow-minded when it comes to matters of insult v. acceptance. I figure it must be a tiring existence to worry so constantly about how people define you according to their own twisted little paradigms. Of all the shits to give, that one's gotta be pretty far down on my list.

[tsntx]

Faggot is not necessarily a derogatory term guys. I have lots of fag friends, who identify as fags. Get hip to the gay lingo already. Fag and Dyke and queer are only insults to straight people who are freaking out about the things that turn them on. Queer people, we don't give a shit if you call us names, because those names are a source of pride for us.

I don't know what Jen means by saying fag, but the fact that it freaks you guys out so much says alot more about you than it does about her.


I just said something to this extent here (http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=578879&highlight=#578879).

b-i-ngo b-i-ngo b-i-ngo and bingo was the name-o

fags!

[justatransgirl]

Well said Mandy. :-)

LOL,
TS Jamie :-)

[tsntx]

wow all the guys that answered yes are walking hypocrites...so you are attracted to men then? lol


which means they are .....


ALL TOGETHER NOW....


FAGS
rotflmao


geez for a bunch of "straight" men yall sure are fucked up lil girls

[Justawannabe]

Sorry, guess I just can't agree.

So much was wrong with Socks response I just can't begin. I tried two or three times but it's all wasted.

Summary...

Bullying folks on fundamental aspects of character or biology is wrong, and any attempt to justify it by claiming 'they shouldn't care' or 'they're just weak' is a sad statement and I thought we'd moved beyond that. If the statement isn't provably true just adds to the fire.

Mandy's take is much more accurate but misses the point that it's not about the person making the statement, but how it's likely to be received that determines if it's hurtful. Just because your okay being called something doesn't in any way affect whether someone else is okay with it.

A lot like being punched. If I'm okay with being punched that doesn't mean it's okay for me to punch others, or right for me to expect it to be okay with them.

Good ol' Socks needs to understand that context specific terms like 'fag' and 'nigga' are only okay within their own limited group and when used in an inclusive way.

Best all, hope no one figures you how to hurt you and piles on...

Sean

[sockmonkey]

As to socks argument that we all 'being a pussy' who object to the way the term is being slung around. Well, that same argument is the defense of bullies everywhere. Eventually someone has to get up and shoot someone to get across that emotional attacks are just as damaging as physical ones.

Trying to say 'I'm not doing anything wrong because he's just a wimp' is not a defense. It's an incite to riot, to attack, to prove that the person is strong enough to never have to suffer that way again. I may not know the terms or activities that would hurt you, and so cannot demonstrate that verbal assaults or actions can be just as bad, but they exist and you'll be lucky if no one ever finds them.


No, you're missing my point entirely. The idea is to wrest the perceived harm of the word from the bullies (real bullies, not people who talk shit on internet message boards); it's not about reclaiming the word, but rather about reclaiming the emotion to which it's attached. Or, in the vernacular, "in order not to be a pussy, you have to stop being such a pussy" (I say this with all intended Zen-like simplicity). In my experience, clinging to such sensitivities ill-prepares you for the slings and arrows of daily life, verbal or otherwise. Since the permeance of political correctness, it seems like successive generations are severely lacking in such coping skills; drastic acts of revenge for incidences of bullying are a relatively recent phenomenon. Where were the school shootings in the 1940's?

And no, I'm afraid there's nothing you or any other random stranger can say to me in order to do me harm. I save my emotional reactions for people who have an impact on my life, the people I care about, which is absolutely as it should be. The "I'm rubber, you're glue" approach would also be acceptable. If somebody tries to insult me, I'm typically inclined to chuckle a bit and just follow the assumption that they're some kind of asshole, which is commonly the case.

I read this statement,

I may not know the terms or activities that would hurt you, and so cannot demonstrate that verbal assaults or actions can be just as bad, but they exist and you'll be lucky if no one ever finds them.
and immediately thought to myself, "what're you gonna do, call me names?" That kind of shit didn't bother me on the playground, and it sure as shit doesn't bother me now. Like the anecdote about my black friend, you don't have to reclaim the word, the meaning, or even the context or the intent; the emotion and your reaction to it is where the insult begins and ends. Somebody can't insult me if I don't feel insulted. Like Captain Planet always said, "The power is yours!"

[jaycanuck]

You're born alone, you die alone. Y'know..I used to be concerned about this stuff..but then I realized that only one person in this world matters and that's yourself. Sounds corny, but it's true. So....if someone calls you a name why let it bug you? I mean Jen's name calling is in binary and light for pete's sake. Are you going to let something a computer screen calls you bug you? Seriously, back away from the computer and go for a walk.

[tsmandy]

Mandy's take is much more accurate but misses the point that it's not about the person making the statement, but how it's likely to be received that determines if it's hurtful. Just because your okay being called something doesn't in any way affect whether someone else is okay with it.


No you didn't read what I wrote. My whole point is that I don't give a shit who is making the statement. The fact that being called a fag is an insult to you is what bothers me, because it shines a light on the internalized homophobia which runs rampant in chasers. Fag is only an insult to people who are desperate to feel straight. After all, we could replace the word fag with gay or homosexual and you guys would still be just as upset, so quit acting like Jen is using hatespeech.

[fitz207]

Mandy's take is much more accurate but misses the point that it's not about the person making the statement, but how it's likely to be received that determines if it's hurtful. Just because your okay being called something doesn't in any way affect whether someone else is okay with it.


No you didn't read what I wrote. My whole point is that I don't give a shit who is making the statement. The fact that being called a fag is an insult to you is what bothers me, because it shines a light on the internalized homophobia which runs rampant in chasers. Fag is only an insult to people who are desperate to feel straight. After all, we could replace the word fag with gay or homosexual and you guys would still be just as upset, so quit acting like Jen is using hatespeech.
Mandy that's ridiculous. I'm of Irish descent, so if someone calls me a Mick and i get offended by it, it's because I'm desperate to be a wealthy anglo saxon? If a black person is called a Nigger by a white person and are offended by the term, it's only because the person really wants to be white? And technically Speaking, calling someone a FAG could be considered hate speech.

[Alyssa87]

lol @ the results.


He or she???
Yes
63% [ 23 ]
No
36% [ 13 ]

Total Votes : 36

[tsmandy]

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Mandy that's ridiculous. I'm of Irish descent, so if someone calls me a Mick and i get offended by it, it's because I'm desperate to be a wealthy anglo saxon? If a black person is called a Nigger by a white person and are offended by the term, it's only because the person really wants to be white? And technically Speaking, calling someone a FAG could be considered hate speech.

I don't think race analogies hold up well, and try to avoid them when discussing issues of gender and human sexuality. Obviously there are concrete differences between the history of black/white relations and tranny girl/chaser relations.

So you are telling me that if the word fag was replaced with homo it would be ok? In my experience with tranny chasers (which is a whole lot more than you have) there is a real fear of being gay. That is the definition of homophobia. You guys want an excuse to have gay fantasies and gay sex, but still be straight. Well fuck being straight. Do what you want and be proud of who and what you are.

[MrsKellyPierce]

so 63 percent of hungangel men are attracted to men lol

[Legend]

... who regularly call their admirers faggots be referred to by their maiden name, or a masculine synonym of their chosen female name. Aswell as being called a 'he' and not a 'she' ???????

What a pathetic and childish mindset to have and i cannot belive you or any other guy would let one word bother you that much,you guys really need to grow a set.

[Alyssa87]

so 63 percent of hungangel men are attracted to men lol

maybe more

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=40350

[BeardedOne]

OK...

Let's sum it up:

If a gurl calls me a 'fag' while I've got her T-clit down my throat, that's a compliment.

If a 'chaser' calls me a 'fag', for having a gurl in my mouth, that's puuuuuure jealousy.

Fuck off fags, this one's mine! :lol:

[fitz207]

So you are telling me that if the word fag was replaced with homo it would be ok? In my experience with tranny chasers (which is a whole lot more than you have) there is a real fear of being gay. That is the definition of homophobia. You guys want an excuse to have gay fantasies and gay sex, but still be straight. Well fuck being straight. Do what you want and be proud of who and what you are.
We guys want an excuse to have gay fantasies?? So you consider yourself an other TS men. if a guy has a fantasy about you?? I have fantasies about TS like this. You girls just don't get it, it's not about the cock itself. It's about the feminine package that the cock is attached to.

[tsntx]

^ whatever helps you sleep at night fag ^ lmao

[BeardedOne]

^ whatever helps you sleep at night fag ^ lmao

You're beautiful when you're cunty. :wink:

[jaycanuck]

this thread is turning into another are you gay or not. Let it drop. Go get your rocks off in whatever way you want and call it a day. Yeeesh.

[tsmandy]

We guys want an excuse to have gay fantasies?? So you consider yourself an other TS men. if a guy has a fantasy about you?? I have fantasies about TS like this. You girls just don't get it, it's not about the cock itself. It's about the feminine package that the cock is attached to.


No I don't consider myself a man. Nor do I consider myself straight. Stop freaking out and take a moment to think about what I'm saying rather than losing your mind.

Anyways, I'm bored. Let's agree to disagree.

[fitz207]

^ whatever helps you sleep at night fag ^ lmao
So if i have fantasies about Raquel, that makes me homosexual??? So i wonder what do you call the guys who have fantasies about you.....what, Total Fags??? Because she's much more feminine than you.

[fitz207]

We guys want an excuse to have gay fantasies?? So you consider yourself an other TS men. if a guy has a fantasy about you?? I have fantasies about TS like this. You girls just don't get it, it's not about the cock itself. It's about the feminine package that the cock is attached to.


No I don't consider myself a man. Nor do I consider myself straight. Stop freaking out and take a moment to think about what I'm saying rather than losing your mind.

Anyways, I'm bored. Let's agree to disagree.
Nobody is freaking out, nor am i loosing my mind. You girls throw insult after insult toward your own fans, and then get offended when someone throws one right back at you. It's amazing that people pay to see such cold blooded, mean spirited people.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Fitz I never speak ill of my fans. Nor do I call them fags, gay, whatever the case may be. This thread is ridiculous, how can you call one transsexual a he and another one not. Just because she has the view you are 'gay' its hypocritical. By saying its okay you are calling yourself Gay or at least Bisexual. You have noone else to point out but yourself!

Kisses

Kelly

[tsmandy]

Nobody is freaking out, nor am i loosing my mind. You girls throw insult after insult toward your own fans, and then get offended when someone throws one right back at you. It's amazing that people pay to see such cold blooded, mean spirited people.

I'm sorry, but I fail to see when I insulted anyone. Not only that, I've never called a tranny chaser a fag, ever. What's more, I speak my mind, and I'm sorry if that upsets you. I generally treat people with much more kindness than they deserve and I fail to see how I qualify as "cold blooded and mean spirited".

You missed my whole point, over and over, which says to me you read my posts carelessly and then get upset when I state an opinion you disagree with.

Fag is not an insult to me. I love fags, and if you ever hear me use the word fag it is only as a term of affection. So back off and wack off.

[fitz207]

Fitz I never speak ill of my fans. Nor do I call them fags, gay, whatever the case may be. This thread is ridiculous, how can you call one transsexual a he and another one not. Just because she has the view you are 'gay' its hypocritical. By saying its okay you are calling yourself Gay or at least Bisexual. You have noone else to point out but yourself!

Kisses

Kelly
Calling people gay when they are into feminine ts is calling the ts a man, since gay men are NOT into feminine ts who call themselves women. Most gay men would be more attracted to MEN. You know like the pic below, i can't think of single man who is attracted to FEMININE ts that would find this pic hot.

[fitz207]

Nobody is freaking out, nor am i loosing my mind. You girls throw insult after insult toward your own fans, and then get offended when someone throws one right back at you. It's amazing that people pay to see such cold blooded, mean spirited people.

I'm sorry, but I fail to see when I insulted anyone. Not only that, I've never called a tranny chaser a fag, ever. What's more, I speak my mind, and I'm sorry if that upsets you. I generally treat people with much more kindness than they deserve and I fail to see how I qualify as "cold blooded and mean spirited".

You missed my whole point, over and over, which says to me you read my posts carelessly and then get upset when I state an opinion you disagree with.

Fag is not an insult to me. I love fags, and if you ever hear me use the word fag it is only as a term of affection. So back off and wack off.
I wasn't talking about you specifically. And it's not the term fag in itself that's offensive when it's used appropriately, but some girls on here do use it strictly to insult the very people who admire them. If someone were to refer to a TS as a man or a cross dresser, it would be an insult because it's not true, just because people get upset about a word, it doesn't mean it's true. Some people might get upset about being called a fag because it's not true.

[MrsKellyPierce]

lol I don't find it hot myself and I am into men

[jaycanuck]

Yah..but by the same token...if someone calls a tgirl a man then she should just shrug it off. "sticks and stones..."

Move on. Words are words.

[tsntx]

idk i thought the guys bod/ mod hairy body, and thick hung cock was pretty hot myself

funny how someone not a fag has a pic like that saved and ready to go

good job

[JamesHunt]

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[meditation]

Nobody is freaking out, nor am i loosing my mind. You girls throw insult after insult toward your own fans, and then get offended when someone throws one right back at you. It's amazing that people pay to see such cold blooded, mean spirited people.

I'm sorry, but I fail to see when I insulted anyone. Not only that, I've never called a tranny chaser a fag, ever. What's more, I speak my mind, and I'm sorry if that upsets you. I generally treat people with much more kindness than they deserve and I fail to see how I qualify as "cold blooded and mean spirited".

You missed my whole point, over and over, which says to me you read my posts carelessly and then get upset when I state an opinion you disagree with.

Fag is not an insult to me. I love fags, and if you ever hear me use the word fag it is only as a term of affection. So back off and wack off.
I wasn't talking about you specifically. And it's not the term fag in itself that's offensive when it's used appropriately, but some girls on here do use it strictly to insult the very people who admire them. If someone were to refer to a TS as a man or a cross dresser, it would be an insult because it's not true, just because people get upset about a word, it doesn't mean it's true. Some people might get upset about being called a fag because it's not true.


i agree, and words can incite and encourage violence..

I dont feel like one can personally use the word fag unless one is gay and doing it for self empowerment..]

words have effects.

[sockmonkey]

funny how someone not a fag has a pic like that saved and ready to go

good job


Aargh, ya dirty bitch, I was going to say something to that effect.

Honestly, though, I love the fact that you beat me to it.

[fitz207]

idk i thought the guys bod/ mod hairy body, and thick hung cock was pretty hot myself

funny how someone not a fag has a pic like that saved and ready to go

good job
Nope, just saved it for you, moron.

[fitz207]

funny how someone not a fag has a pic like that saved and ready to go

good job


Aargh, ya dirty bitch, I was going to say something to that effect.

Honestly, though, I love the fact that you beat me to it.
Kiss ass much??????

[uber_nerd]

how many weiners could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck weiners?

[AmyDaly]

how many weiners could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck weiners?

3

[rico87]

You mofos need to relax and chill, hot girls like Jenn can call me a fag all she wants while I look into her sexy eyes. I laugh and think its funny, for I been called worse in my life.

Sounds more like insecurity issues or maybe you hate yourself for liking Transgender women. You admire them, they don't owe you anything.

Plus it just sounds like an attack on the girls by the jealous ones who wish they could pass in public when dressed up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLnWQxOJiHA

[tsntx]

lol how to know if youre involved in faggotry?

when youre in a thread about a girl who calls you a fag that is HALF as many pages long as the thread the girl started about herself last night.

[fitz207]

You mofos need to relax and chill, hot girls like Jenn can call me a fag all she wants while I look into her sexy eyes. I laugh and think its funny, for I been called worse in my life.

Sounds more like insecurity issues or maybe you hate yourself for liking Transgender women. You admire them, they don't owe you anything.

Plus it just sounds like an attack on the girls by the jealous ones who wish they could pass in public when dressed up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLnWQxOJiHA
1. If she calls you a fag in some kinky type of fantasy, that's alright. But not everyone will have the same reaction to the term.

2. No, think about it. Insecurity has nothing to do with it, the term Fag is a slur, and is treated as such by most people. You don't have to be gay to be offended by the term. I'm offended when another white person uses the slur Nigger or spic in front of me and i'm white. So why get offended? Because it's wrong.

3. The only jealousy seems to be coming from the very girl you're defending. Another TS posted some nude pics, and Jennifer starts with some smart statement about the photos being edited, and how stupid she is for posting nude pics for free. Jennifer does this everytime she feels threatened by a new TS on the site. It's sounds like Jennifer is the one who's jealous.

[sockmonkey]

funny how someone not a fag has a pic like that saved and ready to go

good job


Aargh, ya dirty bitch, I was going to say something to that effect.

Honestly, though, I love the fact that you beat me to it.
Kiss ass much??????

Question marks much?

How is it you're having trouble differentiating between an honest compliment and....

Y'know what? Nevermind, dude.

[rico87]

You mofos need to relax and chill, hot girls like Jenn can call me a fag all she wants while I look into her sexy eyes. I laugh and think its funny, for I been called worse in my life.

Sounds more like insecurity issues or maybe you hate yourself for liking Transgender women. You admire them, they don't owe you anything.

Plus it just sounds like an attack on the girls by the jealous ones who wish they could pass in public when dressed up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLnWQxOJiHA
1. If she calls you a fag in some kinky type of fantasy, that's alright. But not everyone will have the same reaction to the term.

2. No, think about it. Insecurity has nothing to do with it, the term Fag is a slur, and is treated as such by most people. You don't have to be gay to be offended by the term. I'm offended when another white person uses the slur Nigger or spic in front of me and i'm white. So why get offended? Because it's wrong.

3. The only jealousy seems to be coming from the very girl you're defending. Another TS posted some nude pics, and Jennifer starts with some smart statement about the photos being edited, and how stupid she is for posting nude pics for free. Jennifer does this everytime she feels threatened by a new TS on the site. It's sounds like Jennifer is the one who's jealous.


Its very simple bro insecurity means lack of confidence or assurance; self-doubt.Lacking stability; troubled. You need to overcome your deniel of liking chicks with dicks its not difficult to understand.

[mishadark]

In my experience with tranny chasers (which is a whole lot more than you have) there is a real fear of being gay. That is the definition of homophobia. You guys want an excuse to have gay fantasies and gay sex, but still be straight.

Yep,
thats my take on it as well.
The vast majority of potential clients who phone, assure me they are straight.
Hum okey...

It really doesn't matter what you label yourself
straight, totally straight, hetro,
Just be happy.

{Denial is not a river in Egypt}

[tsntx]

3. The only jealousy seems to be coming from the very girl you're defending. Another TS posted some nude pics, and Jennifer starts with some smart statement about the photos being edited, and how stupid she is for posting nude pics for free. Jennifer does this everytime she feels threatened by a new TS on the site. It's sounds like Jennifer is the one who's jealous.

look again faggot... thats a man. its clearly a man. i saw HIM in the gay.com room last night where the fag proceeded to call me a "jealous camwhore" ... this faggot is the one posting WEBCAM shots of himself NUDE... and he has the gaul to call ANYONE else a "camwhore"??? are u fucking kidding?
you are exactly the type of guy i was talking about being a captn saveahoe to the girls that start the problem just bc they cant defend themself as well as i can
the lil man posted EDITED pics of himself.. THATS A FACT. all i did was ask WHY?
if you cant keep up w/ the big kids go sit at the fucking kids table w/ ur lil faggot in the bra that was put on wrong

wtf would i be jealous of that lil jackie chan looking fag?

if this is a "woman" to you then my term "faggot" is justified

http://www.hungangels.com/board/files/picture_22_170.jpg

shame on me for calling out his mspaint editing skills
esp. when they look so expertly done
:roll
http://www.hungangels.com/board/files/picture_3_734.jpg

[runamok]

I could care less what some drama queen weirdo thinks of me. In fact, I pay them extra to slap/choke me around in the bedroom.

After I paid em, I've forgot em. NEXT!

[tsntx]

I could care less what some drama queen weirdo thinks of me. In fact, I pay them extra to slap/choke me around in the bedroom.

After I paid em, I've forgot em. NEXT!

thats what i like to hear!

[JudaZ]

He or she? Yes or no? Is 'he' 'yes' or 'no'? Look stupid.