Is dating a tranny a way of staying in the closet?

[Solitary Brother]

Ive been thinking about that for a bit.
You know some people say that being a tranny is a way for gay males to stay in the closet or undetected.
Why isnt dating trannies the same thing.
After all the only difference between a tranny and a girl is a dick right?
You say you like girls BUT almost exclusively date trannys.
There is something very gay about that because you are seeking out a female with a dick so secretly you crave dick.
Like when I see thread about "girls you wished were trannys".
Thats so gay.
No straight guy could possibly want that.
If you are a serial dater of transexuals then its dick you like whether you bottom or not whether you suck or not.
Now I understand where the girls are coming from.
When you dont know they are a tranny is WAY more acceptable but you approached them as if she was a regular girl.
Am I off base?

[DL_NL]

If you date for sex only, you could think that. This question says a lot about you.

[JonnyT]

i think you think too much.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

For some, Yes..until they can figure out which experience they liked better - the cock or the pussy? Sorta like a transitional phase.. For others, they just could be in denial (due to being ostracized by society aka their own family and peers) while for some not at all. It's really a matter of case to case basis IMO. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[Janie2261]

Solitary Brother,

I believe you are too preoccupied with categories and labels. Even though that is how our society currently views people, we can go beyond it.

I think most of the people on this forum are fairly flexible and tolerant -- able to get outside our culture's rigid boundaries. That's a good thing and probably one of the reasons I enjoy this forum.

If you can drop the labels and categories for a moment, just remind yourself that we are simply people. Some of us like to play the role of the opposite gender; others find that sexually stimulating. So what?

In a liberated society any of us might choose to live some of our time as a male and some of it as a female. We might have sexual relations with males, females, trannies, whatever. Our gender and sexual preferences can be fluid and change as we feel so inclined. The terms straight and gay have little real meaning, other than defining boxes to put ourselves in.

[sheyum]

solitary

these are questions one asks in the the grade..

grow up

[SarahG]

You say you like girls BUT almost exclusively date trannys.

But how many of the people who would be with a tgirl date tgirls exclusively?

Surely there are guys out there (a good question would be; how many?) who simply don't care if a girl is a GG or trans.

[TomSelis]

This is a straight guy

http://www.design-skills.org/graphics/geometry/thumbnails/straight_angle.gif

This is a guy that likes trannies

http://z.about.com/d/math/1/0/J/D/reflexangle.jpg

This is a gay guy or better put, a curved line is never straight.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/CVsimp.svg/150px-CVsimp.svg.png

Any questions?

[JamesHunt]

Is dating a tranny a way of staying in the closet?

Ask Legend. She's an expert on these matters :lol:

[phobun]

Ive been thinking about that for a bit.
You know some people say that being a tranny is a way for gay males to stay in the closet or undetected.
Why isnt dating trannies the same thing.
After all the only difference between a tranny and a girl is a dick right?
You say you like girls BUT almost exclusively date trannys.
There is something very gay about that because you are seeking out a female with a dick so secretly you crave dick.
Like when I see thread about "girls you wished were trannys".
Thats so gay.
No straight guy could possibly want that.
If you are a serial dater of transexuals then its dick you like whether you bottom or not whether you suck or not.
Now I understand where the girls are coming from.
When you dont know they are a tranny is WAY more acceptable but you approached them as if she was a regular girl.
Am I off base?
I agree with you man.
There are lots of great things about transsexual women, but if someone craves cock, that is so gay.

[NYBURBS]

I agree with you man.
There are lots of great things about transsexual women, but if someone craves cock, that is so gay.

Dude grab a hold of yourself and face reality, if you are into transsexuals then you are into cock. I don't give a flying fuck if you don't ever bottom, or even if you won't give it a tug for em, you are still fucking someone that looks like a GG except for the fact that they have a cock. So all of you in denial, closet case, wanna-be "straight" people really ought to think over the sheer retardedness of statements like the one you just made.

I've fucked my fair share of TS and started when I was young. I long ago came to grips with the fact that this would put me outside the definition of "straight" that most people use (even though to see me I come of quite "manly"). Who cares? Live your life as you see fit and quit trying to separate yourself from others through the use of stupid labels.

[ted naves]

Surely there are guys out there (a good question would be; how many?) who simply don't care if a girl is a GG or trans.

That's why we have hearts.

[phobun]

I agree with you man.
There are lots of great things about transsexual women, but if someone craves cock, that is so gay.

Dude grab a hold of yourself and face reality, if you are into transsexuals then you are into cock. I don't give a flying fuck if you don't ever bottom, or even if you won't give it a tug for em, you are still fucking someone that looks like a GG except for the fact that they have a cock. So all of you in denial, closet case, wanna-be "straight" people really ought to think over the sheer retardedness of statements like the one you just made.

I've fucked my fair share of TS and started when I was young. I long ago came to grips with the fact that this would put me outside the definition of "straight" that most people use (even though to see me I come of quite "manly"). Who cares? Live your life as you see fit and quit trying to separate yourself from others through the use of stupid labels.
Sorry, the world is bigger than this narrow viewpoint. Some of us like post-ops. I'm not into cock. There are other reasons to appreciate transsexual women.

[NYBURBS]

Sorry, the world is bigger than this narrow viewpoint. Some of us like post-ops. I'm not into cock. There are other reasons to appreciate transsexual women.

Oh yea the post-op excuse lol. If that were legitimate then you would look at GG porn or go to a forum dedicated to it. Certainly there would be little reason to haunt a forum dedicated to pre-ops. So please share with us those qualities that separate a post-op MTF transseuxal from a GG, and the reasons why those qualities impel you to 1) seek out post-ops 2) go to a forum that is mainly dedicated to pre-op transsexuals. I'm all ears.

Also my point remains quite valid. It's idiotic how people gather here to talk about a common interest, and then so many try to engage in this pointless banter of who is less gay or more straight lol. The tops call the bottoms fags, cause just like they say in prison, it's not gay if you do the fucking. Then there's the post-op fans who think anyone that is into pre-ops (top or bottom is gay), even though there is the whole issue as to why they are into post-ops specifically rather then simply GGs. Finally we have the actual transsexuals who claim they want real relationships but then scowl at any guy that might know they have a penis and still wants to date them. Because if they aren't being tricked into it then they must be gay. At the end of the day this brings us to the sad conclusion that people who would be labeled my mainstream culture as all being gay or deviant are all turning on each other like a bunch of vultures. It'd be like a room full of black guys trying to separate themselves from the group by accusing the rest of being niggers. It's sad and self-demeaning. Be yourself and don't worry so much about labeling others.

[phobun]

Sorry, the world is bigger than this narrow viewpoint. Some of us like post-ops. I'm not into cock. There are other reasons to appreciate transsexual women.

Oh yea the post-op excuse lol. If that were legitimate then you would look at GG porn or go to a forum dedicated to it. Certainly there would be little reason to haunt a forum dedicated to pre-ops. So please share with us those qualities that separate a post-op MTF transseuxal from a GG, and the reasons why those qualities impel you to 1) seek out post-ops 2) go to a forum that is mainly dedicated to pre-op transsexuals. I'm all ears.

Also my point remains quite valid. It's idiotic how people gather here to talk about a common interest, and then so many try to engage in this pointless banter of who is less gay or more straight lol. The tops call the bottoms fags, cause just like they say in prison, it's not gay if you do the fucking. Then there's the post-op fans who think anyone that is into pre-ops (top or bottom is gay), even though there is the whole issue as to why they are into post-ops specifically rather then simply GGs. Finally we have the actual transsexuals who claim they want real relationships but then scowl at any guy that might know they have a penis and still wants to date them. Because if they aren't being tricked into it then they must be gay. At the end of the day this brings us to the sad conclusion that people who would be labeled my mainstream culture as all being gay or deviant are all turning on each other like a bunch of vultures. It'd be like a room full of black guys trying to separate themselves from the group by accusing the rest of being niggers. It's sad and self-demeaning. Be yourself and don't worry so much about labeling others.
Heck, if you laugh at the "post-op excuse" as not "legitimate" why bother even wasting any time with you. Your mind is closed.

[mrbig]

Sorry, the world is bigger than this narrow viewpoint. Some of us like post-ops. I'm not into cock. There are other reasons to appreciate transsexual women.

Oh yea the post-op excuse lol. If that were legitimate then you would look at GG porn or go to a forum dedicated to it. Certainly there would be little reason to haunt a forum dedicated to pre-ops. So please share with us those qualities that separate a post-op MTF transseuxal from a GG, and the reasons why those qualities impel you to 1) seek out post-ops 2) go to a forum that is mainly dedicated to pre-op transsexuals. I'm all ears.

Also my point remains quite valid. It's idiotic how people gather here to talk about a common interest, and then so many try to engage in this pointless banter of who is less gay or more straight lol. The tops call the bottoms fags, cause just like they say in prison, it's not gay if you do the fucking. Then there's the post-op fans who think anyone that is into pre-ops (top or bottom is gay), even though there is the whole issue as to why they are into post-ops specifically rather then simply GGs. Finally we have the actual transsexuals who claim they want real relationships but then scowl at any guy that might know they have a penis and still wants to date them. Because if they aren't being tricked into it then they must be gay. At the end of the day this brings us to the sad conclusion that people who would be labeled my mainstream culture as all being gay or deviant are all turning on each other like a bunch of vultures. It'd be like a room full of black guys trying to separate themselves from the group by accusing the rest of being niggers. It's sad and self-demeaning. Be yourself and don't worry so much about labeling others.
Heck, if you laugh at the "post-op excuse" as not "legitimate" why bother even wasting any time with you. Your mind is closed.


His mind isn't closed, VIETBOY. He's just keeping it real. Don't be stupid.
Just conduct a damn rebuttal and don't try to wimp out here.....

[yosi]

Ive been thinking about that for a bit.
You know some people say that being a tranny is a way for gay males to stay in the closet or undetected.
Why isnt dating trannies the same thing.
After all the only difference between a tranny and a girl is a dick right?
You say you like girls BUT almost exclusively date trannys.
There is something very gay about that because you are seeking out a female with a dick so secretly you crave dick.
Like when I see thread about "girls you wished were trannys".
Thats so gay.
No straight guy could possibly want that.
If you are a serial dater of transexuals then its dick you like whether you bottom or not whether you suck or not.
Now I understand where the girls are coming from.
When you dont know they are a tranny is WAY more acceptable but you approached them as if she was a regular girl.
Am I off base?

in other words there is no such thing as a transexual , if a transexual has a dick - it is a man , right?

there is much more in a transexual than just her dick
it is mainly her feminine personlity , her way of thinking ( and it his definitly HER not HIS )

the dick is just a bonus 8)

[Solitary Brother]

Sorry, the world is bigger than this narrow viewpoint. Some of us like post-ops. I'm not into cock. There are other reasons to appreciate transsexual women.

Oh yea the post-op excuse lol. If that were legitimate then you would look at GG porn or go to a forum dedicated to it. Certainly there would be little reason to haunt a forum dedicated to pre-ops. So please share with us those qualities that separate a post-op MTF transseuxal from a GG, and the reasons why those qualities impel you to 1) seek out post-ops 2) go to a forum that is mainly dedicated to pre-op transsexuals. I'm all ears.

Also my point remains quite valid. It's idiotic how people gather here to talk about a common interest, and then so many try to engage in this pointless banter of who is less gay or more straight lol. The tops call the bottoms fags, cause just like they say in prison, it's not gay if you do the fucking. Then there's the post-op fans who think anyone that is into pre-ops (top or bottom is gay), even though there is the whole issue as to why they are into post-ops specifically rather then simply GGs. Finally we have the actual transsexuals who claim they want real relationships but then scowl at any guy that might know they have a penis and still wants to date them. Because if they aren't being tricked into it then they must be gay. At the end of the day this brings us to the sad conclusion that people who would be labeled my mainstream culture as all being gay or deviant are all turning on each other like a bunch of vultures. It'd be like a room full of black guys trying to separate themselves from the group by accusing the rest of being niggers. It's sad and self-demeaning. Be yourself and don't worry so much about labeling others.




Its just a question to make people think...my opinion is all it is.
Im not judging you because I dont know you so dont take it personal.
By the way some of us DO watch GG porn and go to forums dedicated to it.
I have like 3 tranny links total on my computer...
I dont download tranny porn but Im not saying I am better or worse than anyone else.
Im more intrigued with transexuals when they have there clothes on....when they come off Im not as intrigued but thats just me.
Im not judging the next guy.
There is nothing wrong if you want to be with transexuals because they are girls with dicks.
Be real with it though....be about it as they say..........
Also this forum is sometimes about "pointless banter".
As a matter of fact it is MAINLY about pointless stuff so dont take it personal.
There are tons of threads I dont like but most other people do......I dont have to go to them if i dont want to and I dont.

[DL_NL]

in other words there is no such thing as a transexual , if a transexual has a dick - it is a man , right?

there is much more in a transexual than just her dick
it is mainly her feminine personlity , her way of thinking ( and it his definitly HER not HIS )

the dick is just a bonus 8)
That's what I said, more or less.

[TsVanessa69]

I find that guys who date trans woman, date us because they like us. A closet is for gays and drag and shoe collection

[lahabra1976]

Ive been thinking about that for a bit.
You know some people say that being a tranny is a way for gay males to stay in the closet or undetected.
Why isnt dating trannies the same thing.
After all the only difference between a tranny and a girl is a dick right?
You say you like girls BUT almost exclusively date trannys.
There is something very gay about that because you are seeking out a female with a dick so secretly you crave dick.
Like when I see thread about "girls you wished were trannys".
Thats so gay.
No straight guy could possibly want that.
If you are a serial dater of transexuals then its dick you like whether you bottom or not whether you suck or not.
Now I understand where the girls are coming from.
When you dont know they are a tranny is WAY more acceptable but you approached them as if she was a regular girl.
Am I off base?

No

[RubyTS]

im so over this question already that is always asked a different way and solitary u carrying. who are you to determine anyone else's sexual orientation? sure ur opinion is ur opinion, but that dont make it tru. ur either really closed minded or really bored

[lahabra1976]

sure ur opinion is ur opinion, but that dont make it tru. ur either really closed minded or really bored

Or both

[Space_Cowboy]

Its a strange concept, I like pre op tgirls and real girls, i dont like men or post ops.

For example i adored daniel foxxx, but now she has had the chop i dont find her attractive anymore ... how strange ><

I can't be assed to understand it, so i just go with it, i dont think you can be so narrow minded to group ppl into categories i.e tgirl lover = closet gayboy.

[Justawannabe]

The issue is what is gay, and why is everyone so interested in defining it, especially as opposed to 'straight', which is equally poorly defined.

We can all find exceptions to every rule we could come up with, see above post about gg/pre-op vs men/post op and TS in cloths vs out.

For whatever reason there is a fear of being labeled 'gay' in this society. It's a log stronger among men than women, but present in both sexes. For a number of folks it out weighs even the value of human life. That is the issue that needs resolved... not whether someone should be categorized as part of the hated minority or not.

A bit like the Christian right claiming to be a persecuted minority, trying to paint others as gay or straight makes no sense, and we need to move on.

- anyone need a slightly used soapbox?

Sean

[dan_drade]

I date Exculsively T-Girls, but "Solitary Brother" only jacks off to T-Girls on the Internet. I guess I am gay and he is straight. LOL.

[MrF]

I think the answer to the original question depends on HOW you are dating the transexual. If you are dating her openly, introducing her to friends and family, then you are NOT "in the closet". But if she is a secret lover, or if you only "date" escorts on the down-low, then you are presumably "in the closet".

As to whether an interest in TGirls makes you gay or not, the answer is probably "yes" by society's definition -- but who cares ? (Also I don't think that being gay is bad; just my opinion.) Far more important is how open versus secretive you are.

I'm not moralizing on this (that might look hypocritical as an anonymous poster) -- I'm just pointing out where I think is the real moral issue.

[yodajazz]

Solitary Brother,

I believe you are too preoccupied with categories and labels. Even though that is how our society currently views people, we can go beyond it.

I think most of the people on this forum are fairly flexible and tolerant -- able to get outside our culture's rigid boundaries. That's a good thing and probably one of the reasons I enjoy this forum.

If you can drop the labels and categories for a moment, just remind yourself that we are simply people. Some of us like to play the role of the opposite gender; others find that sexually stimulating. So what?

In a liberated society any of us might choose to live some of our time as a male and some of it as a female. We might have sexual relations with males, females, trannies, whatever. Our gender and sexual preferences can be fluid and change as we feel so inclined. The terms straight and gay have little real meaning, other than defining boxes to put ourselves in.

I think this (above) is a great post.

But NYBURBS asked the question about liking post ops vs gg's. For me about the story of a person, who overcame tremendous odds to be who they wanted to be. A person who made a great physical sacrifice. I think that some men feel more like the mythical "Prince Charming" when they love someone who has a flaw, even if they overcame it. It just something about a person who is willing fight the rules of society (male-female) and even the laws of nature, to some extent that makes their feminine nature more special to me.

One more thing about gg's. There is alway a chance that a gg will decide that she wants to have children, even if she says that she does not want them at first. So that is one factor that men into post ops do not have to worry about.

But I do also agree that it is a shame that so many people here have to abel and criticize others.

[steeveX]

Since this is a rhetorical question, no answer for you. Why bother at all? From your writings I take it you won't be able to date a tranny or GG any time soon so carry on.

[TSLoverUK999]

Ive been thinking about that for a bit.
You know some people say that being a tranny is a way for gay males to stay in the closet or undetected.
Why isnt dating trannies the same thing.
After all the only difference between a tranny and a girl is a dick right?
You say you like girls BUT almost exclusively date trannys.
There is something very gay about that because you are seeking out a female with a dick so secretly you crave dick.
Like when I see thread about "girls you wished were trannys".
Thats so gay.
No straight guy could possibly want that.
If you are a serial dater of transexuals then its dick you like whether you bottom or not whether you suck or not.
Now I understand where the girls are coming from.
When you dont know they are a tranny is WAY more acceptable but you approached them as if she was a regular girl.
Am I off base?

I thought I had my head straight until I read this...........dam you !

929 posts and you ask this now ?????????

[RangeHova]

The problem with these kinds of post is that they come from the stand that the ONE THING that makes TS women different or unique is what they have between their legs. Sure, plenty of guys only see the dick as being the one thing that makes them different but that is not true for all of us.

So if a guy says that he likes post-ops just as much as pre-ops them he is giving an excuse.

There are far too many men on here that feel like if you don't like transwomen for the same reasons that they like transwomen than you are in some kind of denial.

Human attraction, of any kind is not that fucking simple. People who are attracted to short, tall, Black, Asian, plus sized, blonde, hairy, skinny, bald, trans people or whatever else do so for a multitude of reasons.

Putting blanket statements on an entire group of people usually results in or comes from ignorance. we all have an array of differences. We all may be attracted to transsexual women but that doesn't mean that we are attracted to the same transsexual women for the same reasons.

I get the feeling that those who will put up post after post telling others what they really feel are in many ways insecure about what they feel.

[bloomsburyzeb]

The problem is that there's a good deal of reification going on.

The categories are just sociological groupings, means of talking about types of person. The reality is always more complex and subtle than gay/bi/straight.

The problem is that, for many people, these categories are real things that feed back into their own sexuality. I'm spoken to loads of girls who are essentially miserable because they see themselves (rightly) as women and they think that any uy who would seek out a TS is gay and, as women, they have no business dating gay men. So, in effect, they can't date anyone who is attracted to them unless they surprise them after picking them up in a bar or something.

You see it too in the way gay men react to fem or sissy guys. They fancy men and so, they reason, they shouldn't have anything to do with effeminate guys and so they seek out straight guys who, of course, arent into other straight guys at all.

Treating these categories as real things only makes for misery.

if you want to fuck guys, fuck guys, if you want to fuck trannies, fuck trannies. Worry less about broad and simplified categories and focus more upon spending time with the kind of people you are attracted to.

The whole Freudian notion of people being secretly this or secretly that is poisonous bullshit.

[MrShow52]

listen if you like trannies you're definitely NOT straight.

[mishadark]

I'm spoken to loads of girls who are essentially miserable because they see themselves (rightly) as women and they think that any uy who would seek out a TS is gay and, as women, they have no business dating gay men. So, in effect, they can't date anyone who is attracted to them unless they surprise them after picking them up in a bar or something.

Oh, nail / head.
& thats a major thing to me.
I cant date a man who is into ts's as I feel objectified. But maybe your point goes closer to it.

I cant date anyone as when ~I meet & get on with a man, I freak out at revealing my past
so I rattle round my head.

And the really sad thing is that does it really matter. I know a number of couples initially attracted because of a label, but which have since developed into life long bondings.
Its when people see past the trimming, to the real person, meaningful things happen.

But I just don't seem to realise that... :roll:

Hey ho....

[DL_NL]

Maybe an attraction to t-girls is a pretty good base. If the relationship in itself does not work, it won't last anyway. Being a jerk is not compensated for by being into t-girls.

And at least the 'will he accept me for what I am?' question is out of the way.

[AmyDaly]

A Guy who is gay likes men because they look, act, smell, ect.. like men.

Transsexuals are quite the opposite. I don't see how a gay man would get any sort of satisfaction from someone who looks, acts, smells, ect.. like any other woman.

Not only that, but outside of porn, I know ALOT of transwomen who would not even let the guy see what she has down there if she is pre-op.

[bloomsburyzeb]

listen if you like trannies you're definitely NOT straight.

Human civilisation has reached the point where some women sleep with men but believe themselves to be non-op transgendered effeminate and gay (in short they look like straight women, act like straight women, think like straight women... but are in fact gay men).

There are also people on the internet who dress up as cartoon characters and masturbate with stuffed toys. There are whole communities of such people.

I would put it to you that 'straight', 'gay' and 'bi' completely fail to encompass the complexity of human sexuality.

[AmyDaly]

Human civilisation has reached the point where some women sleep with men but believe themselves to be non-op transgendered effeminate and gay (in short they look like straight women, act like straight women, think like straight women... but are in fact gay men).


I think I might totally not be understanding this, but are you saying that non-op transwomen who like men are gay men themselves?

[Aurora]

Human civilisation has reached the point where some women sleep with men but believe themselves to be non-op transgendered effeminate and gay (in short they look like straight women, act like straight women, think like straight women... but are in fact gay men).


I think I might totally not be understanding this, but are you saying that non-op transwomen who like men are gay men themselves?

I think he might mean non-op transmen, but I could be mistaken.

[daveskarety]

I have posted this in another thread but I feel it fits here also. I still don't understand why people argue so vehemently on here all the time about whether they're straight or not. Who gives a fucking shit? We, (I'm speaking for the guys here), obviously all like TS Girls, that's why we're here. However the idea of defining myself by that one factor is totally alien to me. Speaking personally I had always dated GG's, I'd never even met a TS girl before I met my partner, who just happens to be TS, and we have been together for 6 years now.

We just clicked and the next thing I knew I had her dick in my mouth, that's that! I certainly didn't stop to second guess how Society would label me as I fell in love with her, it was, and is, irrelevant. As a side note I would like to add she had her SRS 3 years ago and it changed nothing, it just meant that the woman I love was now happier than ever, which made me happier than ever.

I simply don't care about such labels and I find the amount of people on here who spend so much of their time justifying why liking TS Girls makes you Gay/Straight/Bi/Whatever STAGGERING! If everyone could stop thinking in these narrow terms it would leave more time for them to get on with the more important things in their lives, like finding their dream TS Girl!

[AmyDaly]

I have posted this in another thread but I feel it fits here also. I still don't understand why people argue so vehemently on here all the time about whether they're straight or not. Who gives a fucking shit? We, (I'm speaking for the guys here), obviously all like TS Girls, that's why we're here. However the idea of defining myself by that one factor is totally alien to me. Speaking personally I had always dated GG's, I'd never even met a TS girl before I met my partner, who just happens to be TS, and we have been together for 6 years now.

We just clicked and the next thing I knew I had her dick in my mouth, that's that! I certainly didn't stop to second guess how Society would label me as I fell in love with her, it was, and is, irrelevant. As a side note I would like to add she had her SRS 3 years ago and it changed nothing, it just meant that the woman I love was now happier than ever, which made me happier than ever.

I simply don't care about such labels and I find the amount of people on here who spend so much of their time justifying why liking TS Girls makes you Gay/Straight/Bi/Whatever STAGGERING! If everyone could stop thinking in these narrow terms it would leave more time for them to get on with the more important things in their lives, like finding their dream TS Girl!

I really like this post and it pretty much sums up my feelings. That is awesome that you two have been together so long!

[daveskarety]

Why thankyou! To be absolutely accurate it will be 6 years on Jan 9th and we still seem to be getting along well so life is sweet :)

[DS-Kika]

I think it depends on what you are looking for, I like a person for who they are on the inside, a guy, girl, ts....doesn't matter as long as I'm in love and the return it. One who is only looking for a physical relationship only and chooses a ts over a girl, then yes, they are probably in self denial about being gay. Its just my opinion...^_^

[Surkis]

whenever I see these fucking stupid topics I think to myself, "Why the fuck does liking a T-girl have to be anything more than liking a T-girl?"

Seriously, liking a T-girl means you like a T-girl, that's it. You can be straight and like T-girls and you can be gay and like T-girls. Fact of the matter is liking a T-girl is just that, liking a T-girl.

Why the fuck do people enjoy complicating a matter as simple as that? Liking a T-girl doesn't mean you're straight or gay or bi or anything unless you ARE gay straight or bi, end of story.

[bloomsburyzeb]

I think I might totally not be understanding this, but are you saying that non-op transwomen who like men are gay men themselves?

No. I'm not making any generalisations. I'm just saying that I know of at least one person who considers themselves a gay effeminate, non-op transman. So in effect, the only difference between this person and a straight woman is the labeling. If I were to have sex with them, I think that it would be effectively impossible to draw any conclusions about my sexuality.

Which is the point I was trying to make... human sexuality no longer fits into three neat boxes.

Back in the day you essentially had one box. Straight. If you didn't fit into that box you were weird at best, frequently considered mentally ill and occasionally considered an abomination. The idea was that, as a human, you (that's not you you BTW but a general you) were straight but because of some moral or psychological failing you had strayed from the correct path.

The stuff about guys liking trannies being secretly gay is exactly the same pattern all over again. The suggestion is that, in reality, you fit into some of these nice neat boxes but due to some kind of psychological failing (being in denial) you have 'gone rogue'.

The boxes are a social construct... they're not real. Some of us cling to them in order to reassure ourselves and give ourselves a sense of identity (deciding who you are only to have nobody understand can be a lonely experience), but others are happy making new boxes.