Obama: so where's the change you promised?

[thx1138]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/obamas-anti-gun-agenda-spurs-record-firearms-sales.html &
http://www.africasia.com/services/news/newsitem.php?area=mideast&item=081107201626.i8iph9jj.php &
http://www.prisonplanet.com/obamas-council-on-foreign-relations-crew.html &
http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-Liberties-Examiner~y2008m11d6-Obamas-chief-of-staff-choice-favors-compulsory-universal-service &
http://www.prisonplanet.com/barack-obama-brought-to-you-by-the-new-world-order.html &
http://www.prisonplanet.com/no-change-in-israeli-manipulation-of-us-foreign-policy-under-obama.html

[thx1138]

and:
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/11/beyond-fear-and-hope.html &
http://www.prisonplanet.com/will-obama-keep-his-promise-to-reverse-bush-executive-orders.html &
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/11/bond-insurers-getting-hammered-by.html &
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/11/insider-obama-will-be-trustee-in.html

[Oli]

Were you and natina separated at birth?

[El Nino]

Its important stuff. Americans should pay close attention to this Presidency and make sure the wool isn't going to be pulled over there eyes again...

[El Nino]

haha thats sooo funny. Boy you're really astute and smart. That is so relevant and meaningful Braveman

[NYBURBS]

Honestly perhaps make one thread. I like a lot of the articles but you can just as easily keep bumping one thread with stuff, and that way we don't have Natina part II

[yodajazz]

Obama is not the President of the United States at this time.

[thx1138]

The Israel camp consolidates its hegemony on Obama's foreign policy regarding Iran and forges for a war of aggression.


Plus ça change et plus c'est la même chose!

World Socialist Website



http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/nov2008/iran-n06.shtml



Obama advisers discuss preparations for war on Iran

By Peter Symonds 6 November 2008

[thx1138]

"Obama is not the president at this time." True, but that changes on Jan. 20, 2009. Between now and then he's laying the groundwork for his policies to be put into place immediately.

[DL_NL]

"Obama is not the president at this time." True, but that changes on Jan. 20, 2009. Between now and then he's laying the groundwork for his policies to be put into place immediately.
So you might want to give the guy some chance to actually accomplish something instead of burning him to the ground before he's actually in the Oval Office.

[chefmike]

Thanks for the loony links!

[chefmike]

Its important stuff. Americans should pay close attention to this Presidency and make sure the wool isn't going to be pulled over there eyes again...

It's a crock of shit like everything else you and the rest of the tinfoil beanie brigade spew ad nauseam. Keep the faith, brave wannabe revolutionary...Alex Jones will show you the way...my guess is that you and the rest of his sheep will go out ala Jonestown or Heaven's Gate...tinfoil martyrs who gave their lives for the cause...lower the flag over the bunker to half-mast...

[dafame]

El Nino, where's Ron Paul when you need him. What could have been. This country could have had a real chance of getting back on track if Americans would have done the right thing and given Ron a chance. Aahh, Oh well.

[SugaSweet]

I would at least give him a week or two in the actual job position before I went too far positive or negative.My take is that he can do nothing to help GM or Ford,as they have fucked themselves into oblivion between their 'management' and union stooges making impossible demands.Also here is an idea if you want to thrive in business:make a product someone wants to own!If he raises the capital gains and dividend rates on stocks as he has suggested,look for about a 2400 DOW.Also,once the Arab and Persian majority Moslem countries see all the Kosherness in his cabinet:they will gather even more venom against the Zionist States of America.One positive I have seen from the future Pres:He wants a playoff to determine the NCAA football championship.This is something to ponder while Putin places nuclear missiles in Venezula,then probably Nicarauga and every other Caribbean resort.

[El Nino]

El Nino, where's Ron Paul when you need him. What could have been. This country could have had a real chance of getting back on track if Americans would have done the right thing and given Ron a chance. Aahh, Oh well.

I hear ya, boss.

[Ackbar]

Give the brotha a chance!

[chefmike]

El Nino, where's Ron Paul when you need him. What could have been. This country could have had a real chance of getting back on track if Americans would have done the right thing and given Ron a chance. Aahh, Oh well.

I hear ya, boss.

LMFAO...does the Ninny, er, Nino even realize that he is being made sport of? Apparently not. But then again why would he? Nino's constant shilling for the lunatic fringe might lead one to believe that perhaps he's just a wee tad gullible... :roll:

[ef9hatchman]

The change Obama speaks of may not happen due to douchebag OPEC they got sooo greedy.(summer)
Now they still are trying.I believe that Opec caused this Recession, Not alot of people could pay for damn near 5 dollar gas.
Obama Got my vote. Give him the damned chance he deserves he ran a CLEAN campaign. Stop critisizing him. He IS AMERICAN not black/white/yellow/green/Etc. your a bigot if you cant see through skin pigment.

If obama plan does go into effect I doubt it may be this term. it takes A long time to decide little thing fyi. take your head out your ass dont think that if he is pres he cant do things on the spot, it goes to a committee.

[yodajazz]

The change Obama speaks of may not happen due to douchebag OPEC they got sooo greedy.(summer)
Now they still are trying.I believe that Opec caused this Recession, Not alot of people could pay for damn near 5 dollar gas.
Obama Got my vote. Give him the damned chance he deserves he ran a CLEAN campaign. Stop critisizing him. He IS AMERICAN not black/white/yellow/green/Etc. your a bigot if you cant see through skin pigment.

If obama plan does go into effect I doubt it may be this term. it takes A long time to decide little thing fyi. take your head out your ass dont think that if he is pres he cant do things on the spot, it goes to a committee.

It was not OPEC. It was commodities speculation. There was so much free money floating around they could buy oil and garuntee it at a future price for a large profit, knowing that someone else would pay more for it. (I'm talking other commodities speculators). They put out the story that rising oil usage from China and India was what raised prices.

To confirm my proposition, look at the facts: The drop in oil prices co-incided with the stock market collapse. No big event in India or China has stopped people over there from using oil, to my knowledge. Likewise, it appears that OPEC can only get what other large money interests can pay. I'm not talking about consumers, I'm talking about the commodities speculators.

It is my understanding, that some large money firms were able to buy oil production facilities at the same time they were buying other's oil as commodities and thus manipulating the price upward. In the regulated past, this would have been considered a conflict of interest, or basically illegal. But thanks to years of "regulation is bad" philosophy, conflict of interest financing has been virtually ingnored.

I don't pretend to understand everything. And I agree with your overall sentiment. I just think we need to look closer at what is the cause of things like gas prices.

I welcome comments.

[ef9hatchman]

The change Obama speaks of may not happen due to douchebag OPEC they got sooo greedy.(summer)
Now they still are trying.I believe that Opec caused this Recession, Not alot of people could pay for damn near 5 dollar gas.
Obama Got my vote. Give him the damned chance he deserves he ran a CLEAN campaign. Stop critisizing him. He IS AMERICAN not black/white/yellow/green/Etc. your a bigot if you cant see through skin pigment.

If obama plan does go into effect I doubt it may be this term. it takes A long time to decide little thing fyi. take your head out your ass dont think that if he is pres he cant do things on the spot, it goes to a committee.

It was not OPEC. It was commodities speculation. There was so much free money floating around they could buy oil and garuntee it at a future price for a large profit, knowing that someone else would pay more for it. (I'm talking other commodities speculators). They put out the story that rising oil usage from China and India was what raised prices.

To confirm my proposition, look at the facts: The drop in oil prices co-incided with the stock market collapse. No big event in India or China has stopped people over there from using oil, to my knowledge. Likewise, it appears that OPEC can only get what other large money interests can pay. I'm not talking about consumers, I'm talking about the commodities speculators.

It is my understanding, that some large money firms were able to buy oil production facilities at the same time they were buying other's oil as commodities and thus manipulating the price upward. In the regulated past, this would have been considered a conflict of interest, or basically illegal. But thanks to years of "regulation is bad" philosophy, conflict of interest financing has been virtually ingnored.

I don't pretend to understand everything. And I agree with your overall sentiment. I just think we need to look closer at what is the cause of things like gas prices.

I welcome comments.
I got away from myself above. So if I offended anyone sorry.

Doesnt Opec regulate Production/Pricing on OIL?
I Worked for a Cadillac/GM delearship boss told us he voluntarily is shutting down, So for us to take our tools,personal belongings,etc.
I believe Summer was soooo bad for some people especially car delearships that people are afraid to buy anything let alone a Brand new Vehicle,In my mind It started with OIL and will end hopefully soon.......

[yodajazz]

I think the commodities traders set the price more by what they are willing to pay. They set it by saying that we will deliver in the future at a specific price. But then someone will buy it from them and charge a higher price. I think opec more regulates the supply side. Think about it. Have you heard of them having any meetings where they (OPEC) dropped their prices to what they are today? They are currently meeting to agree on a supply reduction that may force prices to go higher. The middle man, commodities traders, decide what price they will deal at. They then supply gas station outlets. who have to pay them their price inlcuding thier profit margin. (I'm leaving out some steps).

I don't pretend to understand it all. But the crash exposed more on who's really pulling the strings. Sorry to hear about your care dealership.

P.S. I blame the current situation more on a long term trend of taking away the power of workers. Real wages have not risen in years. There is less job security as "at will" employment is the norm (the employers will). Not be overlooked in importance, is that businesses figured out they could reap much greater profits through fees and penalties than providing goods and services. Banks are a prime example. People do not have money to buy houses and cars, and they have to pay a $400 service fee, because they can't pay the cell phone bill, overdraft charges, traffic violations, mandatory car insurance, soon broadcast television, etc.

[El Nino]

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281

[chefmike]

LMFAO@ Nino and his latest loony link! David Icke now?

BWAAHAAHAHA...thanks for another great laugh, Agent Smart.


So who is crazier: David Icke or Alex Jones?

http://www.nndb.com/people/455/000022389/

[El Nino]

Obama's going to bring change? Really?????? http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=9824

Jokes on you, Chefmike

[hippifried]

It was not OPEC. It was commodities speculation.
Nope. Neither one really. The more I look at this, the more I see the entire collapse of of the financial industry as the aftermath of insurance fraud. That's what all these wierded out derivatives, the credit default swaps & whatnot are. The money paid out to mitigate risk ended up dwarfing the risk exposure itself. Then when recession set in & defaults started happening, none of it paid off. The money just vanished because it was never really there. Now the banks are scared to do anything. They just need somebody with clout to tell them what to do. That won't happen for another 4 weeks because there's nobody currently in charge of anything who has any.

[yodajazz]

It was not OPEC. It was commodities speculation.
Nope. Neither one really. The more I look at this, the more I see the entire collapse of of the financial industry as the aftermath of insurance fraud. That's what all these wierded out derivatives, the credit default swaps & whatnot are. The money paid out to mitigate risk ended up dwarfing the risk exposure itself. Then when recession set in & defaults started happening, none of it paid off. The money just vanished because it was never really there. Now the banks are scared to do anything. They just need somebody with clout to tell them what to do. That won't happen for another 4 weeks because there's nobody currently in charge of anything who has any.

It is my understanding that "derivatives' are legally different from insurance and thus not subject to insurance regulations. The derivative you refer to are more like legalized gambling, according to a "Sixty Minutes' piece and others. And that is why they were banned for ninety plus years.

[hippifried]

It was not OPEC. It was commodities speculation.
Nope. Neither one really. The more I look at this, the more I see the entire collapse of of the financial industry as the aftermath of insurance fraud. That's what all these wierded out derivatives, the credit default swaps & whatnot are. The money paid out to mitigate risk ended up dwarfing the risk exposure itself. Then when recession set in & defaults started happening, none of it paid off. The money just vanished because it was never really there. Now the banks are scared to do anything. They just need somebody with clout to tell them what to do. That won't happen for another 4 weeks because there's nobody currently in charge of anything who has any.

It is my understanding that "derivatives' are legally different from insurance and thus not subject to insurance regulations. The derivative you refer to are more like legalized gambling, according to a "Sixty Minutes' piece and others. And that is why they were banned for ninety plus years.
Legally schmegally. A minor tweak in the accounting or the words in the charter & an "investment bank" becomes an insurance company, or vice versa. They've all been bundling & repackaging & buying & selling all kinds of CDOs for years, trying to mitigate their risk exposure because they don't carry reserve funds anymore & have to borrow capital on the overnights to show something in their daily accounts & keep out of receivership. Of course it's gambling. Insurance is nothing but a hedge bet. This got out of hand because it's so convoluted that not even the yokels who invented the systems couldn't figure out exactly how it works. The coverage sold didn't just outstrip the debts. It outstripped the entire economy exponentiallly. It was all a scam to keep stock prices up & cook the books to hide exposure from depositors & investors. They're kiting the checks, & if their investors & depositors find out, they're going to bail.These pukes don't really produce anything but stock.

[SarahG]

Obama is not the President of the United States at this time.

I wish more people would realize that!

[thx1138]

JJ: I'll give him until the end of april.

[thx1138]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkNoVjrOJmM

[tsbrenda]

Obama is not the President of the United States at this time.


I wish more people would realize that!


Obama is not the President of the United States at this time.


I wish more people would realize that!


Obama is not the President of the United States at this time.


I wish more people would realize that!

Obama is not the President of the United States at this time.


I wish more people would realize that!


Obama is not the President of the United States at this time.

I wish more people would realize that!


Obama is not the President of the United States at this time.

I wish more people would realize that!

[tsbrenda]

Obama is not the President of the United States at this time.


I wish more people would realize that!


Obama is not the President of the United States at this time.


I wish more people would realize that!


Obama is not the President of the United States at this time.


I wish more people would realize that!

Obama is not the President of the United States at this time.


I wish more people would realize that!


Obama is not the President of the United States at this time.

I wish more people would realize that!


Obama is not the President of the United States at this time.

I wish more people would realize that!

[JelenaCD]

Obama is going to be president of all americans , even the 47% that didn't vote for him like myself , you have to represent all of USA not just your base and i Trust Obama knows this !

[hippifried]

JJ: I'll give him until the end of april.
No you won't!
You wouldn't even give him till the end of November. You started this thread 2 days after the election.

[LG]

Interesting thread. I believe that posting a link to something by David Icke (he of the reptilian humanoid theories) totally invalidates an argument and whoever is making it. Sorry El Nino, but I can't take you seriously anymore after this.
:P
And to thx1138 : Obama is now the president of the USA. You can finally start criticising. How does that feel?

Let me repeat:
Obama is now the president of the USA.

You know what? That feels pretty good to me :wink:

[chefmike]

Love that sig from 'The Jerk', LG. I watched it(again) on cable recently.

"Lord loves a working man and don't trust whitey..."

[El Nino]

Interesting thread. I believe that posting a link to something by David Icke (he of the reptilian humanoid theories) totally invalidates an argument and whoever is making it. Sorry El Nino, but I can't take you seriously anymore after this.
:P
And to thx1138 : Obama is now the president of the USA. You can finally start criticising. How does that feel?

Let me repeat:
Obama is now the president of the USA.

You know what? That feels pretty good to me :wink:

Oh, I am just crushed. By the way, David Icke ain't the only one who sees through the smoke and mirrors... Change, huh?

[chefmike]

Interesting thread. I believe that posting a link to something by David Icke (he of the reptilian humanoid theories) totally invalidates an argument and whoever is making it. Sorry El Nino, but I can't take you seriously anymore after this.
:P
And to thx1138 : Obama is now the president of the USA. You can finally start criticising. How does that feel?

Let me repeat:
Obama is now the president of the USA.

You know what? That feels pretty good to me :wink:

Oh, I am just crushed. By the way, David Icke ain't the only one who sees through the smoke and mirrors... Change, huh?

Look...there they are...through the smoke and mirrors...can you see them?...oh god...I think it's Obama and his reptilian humanoid cabal...save us Nino...grab the tinfoil and head for the bunker...it's our only chance...

[chefmike]

Interesting thread. I believe that posting a link to something by David Icke (he of the reptilian humanoid theories) totally invalidates an argument and whoever is making it. Sorry El Nino, but I can't take you seriously anymore after this.
:P


El Nutjob is also fond of quoting links from white supremacist Hal Turner. Not to mention lunatic fringe icon Alex Jones. Nino is quite the renaissance man, eh?

[LG]

Interesting thread. I believe that posting a link to something by David Icke (he of the reptilian humanoid theories) totally invalidates an argument and whoever is making it. Sorry El Nino, but I can't take you seriously anymore after this.
:P
And to thx1138 : Obama is now the president of the USA. You can finally start criticising. How does that feel?

Let me repeat:
Obama is now the president of the USA.

You know what? That feels pretty good to me :wink:

Oh, I am just crushed. By the way, David Icke ain't the only one who sees through the smoke and mirrors... Change, huh?

Look...there they are...through the smoke and mirrors...can you see them?...oh god...I think it's Obama and his reptilian humanoid cabal...save us Nino...grab the tinfoil and head for the bunker...it's our only chance...

LMAO! Good one, chefmike. :lol:

[El Nino]

Laugh and say all u want; the Wars will wage on...
Change

[hippifried]

You want change?
Go to 7-11 with a dollar (if you can find one) & tell them you need to use the phone to call your imaginary friend.

[chefmike]

Laugh and say all u want; the Wars will wage on...
Change


LMFAO...I can just picture Nino playing Army...do you paint your face and stick twigs in your helmet, Generalissimo Nino?

As far as the war in your head goes, I think it's clear that sanity surrendered long ago...

[El Nino]

Oh yeah Chef? Obombya's at it already! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aKTPIphDdA

The only change you will get is a face. Hate to say I told you so, but....

[chefmike]

New President Approves Continued Attacks That Have Killed 8 of al Qaeda's Top 20
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6718124&page=1

During the campaign, Obama called for cross-border attacks against high-value al Qaeda targets in Pakistan, even before the CIA campaign began.

Well done, President Obama!

No rest for al Qaeda or Bin Laden!

:claps :claps :claps :claps :claps

[El Nino]

Baaaahahahahaaa

[chefmike]

During the campaign, Obama called for cross-border attacks against high-value al Qaeda targets in Pakistan, even before the CIA campaign began.