What's wrong with being an Arab???

[african1]

Gayle Quinnell, a 75 years old unsophisticated rube from Shakopee, Minnesota, told Senator John McCain while attending a rally "I don't trust Obama, I have read about him. He's an Arab." McCain defended Obama saying "No, ma'am. He's a decent, family man, a citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with him on fundamental issues and that's what this campaign is all about."

We can understand the bigotry and ignorance of this woman as she is from nowhere, but what baffled me was McCain's response. His response makes you think that people from Arabic decent cannot be decent family people. A better answer would've been: No ma'am, he is not an Arab as his father is Kenyan and his mother is from Kansas.

I was truly undecided until two weeks ago when I started seeing the real faces of McCain's supporters and their outrage over Obama's race and ethnicity. But as you look at them, most of these people are old or in their middle age. Most are from remote areas (the country side). Who knows, maybe they don't even have the Internet where they live. This Gayle Quinnell had to go to the library to find that information. Who knows, maybe she accidentally stumbled upon a supremacist website. This goes to show you how many older people are ignorant in this country. But if you spark a conversation about biblical prophecies with them, you will be quite amused. :roll:

Thank God young people are finally voting in this election. I am young and I will be voting Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOU9xZ4zcss&eurl=http

[african1]

This is a wonderful reply I found online.

http://adrienneshouse.blogspot.com/2008/10/open-letter-to-gayle-quinnell.html

Firstly and most importantly your opinions are your opinions and you are totally entitled to have them and to express them. It is your First Amendment right to do so. But when you abuse that right by spreading vicious untruths then it is time for the American public to step in and correct you.

I am having a hard time containing myself right now so we will address this rationally.

A. If you don't like Senator Obama, that is fine you don't have to like everyone. But he is a US Senator and he does deserve your respect.

B. If you don't want to vote for Sen. Obama for President because he is black, I totally get that. And there is nothing he or anyone can do about that.

C. This is where my anger gets the better of me. If you make up lies about Senator Obama, it puts your candidate in between a rock and a hard place by having to speak nicely about his opponent.

D. Senator Obama is not a Muslim.

E. Senator Obama is not an Arab.

F. Senator Obama is not a terrorist

G. To be a Muslim you must commit to the faith of Islam, Senator Obama has committed to the faith of Christianity. Also, even if he were a Muslim why would that make any difference in his ability to run this country? Do we not have freedom of religion in this country? Are you not allowed to be of whatever faith you choose? While I can choose to not follow any organized religion? Would you rpefer we were in a non-free nation where everyone had to be of one faith? Preferably yours? Sorry, the constitution doesn't work that way. And by the way, your candidate, Senator McCain is a strict Constitutionalist (or so he says).

H. To be an Arab you must be a descendant of someone from Saudi Arabia. Senator Obama's father is from Kenya and his mother from Kansas. Last I checked Kenya was a part of Africa and Kansas not too far from you.

I. This is where you might get a bit confused so let me lay it all out on the line for you.
1. Not all Arabs are terrorist
2. Not all Arabs are Muslim
3. Not all terrorists are Arab
4. Not all terrorists are Muslim
5. Not all Muslims are Arabs
6. Not all Muslims are terrorists

J. Is that clear enough for you?

Any other questions?


Below is the interview after the rally that The Uptake did with Ms. Quinnell following the rally, where she admits to spreading untruths about Senator Obama.

[MrShow52]

so is this like the same person making new accounts and posting "racism hate etc." threads?

to answer your question:

intollerant and hateful of all who don't practice islam, a culture that promotes the abuse and disenfranchisement of women. No not all arabs are like this, but most are. They would also hate all of us for liking trannies, and they'd REALLY hate the trannies themselves, probably stone them to death via court order.

[african1]

Time to let the younger smarter more tolerant generation lead the country.

Time to live and let others live: no more wars.

Time to be happy and let others be happy: For example let people marry whoever they love and want, whether be same or opposite sex.

Let government do its main job, protect the nation and its citizens and not control the lives of its people.

[african1]

so is this like the same person making new accounts and posting "racism hate etc." threads?

to answer your question:

intollerant and hateful of all who don't practice islam, a culture that promotes the abuse and disenfranchisement of women. No not all arabs are like this, but most are. They would also hate all of us for liking trannies, and they'd REALLY hate the trannies themselves, probably stone them to death via court order.

I joined this forum a year before you. Check the date. I just don't post much because we still live in a bigot world. :wink:

[MrShow52]

1. Most Arabs turn a blind eye to terrorists
2. Most Arabs are Muslim
3. Many terrorists are Arab
4. Most terrorists are Muslim
5. Most Muslims are Arabs
6. Many Muslims are terrorists

Sure the guy who runs the corner store isn't, but he's only one out of hundreds of millions.

[MrShow52]

Time to let the younger smarter more tolerant generation lead the country.

Time to live and let others live: no more wars.

Time to be happy and let others be happy: For example let people marry whoever they love and want, whether be same or opposite sex.

Let government do its main job, protect the nation and its citizens and not control the lives of its people.

it's funny this is counter to every middle eastern country's thinking. It's in the Koran that the house of islam must fight the house of war(non believers) until all non believers are defeated.

[african1]

Wrong assumptions all over. But again:

Whether you like it or not, OBAMA WILL WIN. :D

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

That only shows that Gayle Quinnell is probably a high school drop out or maybe never had any formal education and therefore uneducated and highly misinformed about alot of things which is truly sad! I don't think people from MN are that stupid. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[MrShow52]

sorry no, right assumptions. Ideals are one thing, reality is another. I didn't say anything about obama, this thread is about obama, I thought it was about how disgusting arabs are.

[african1]

1. Most Arabs turn a blind eye to terrorists
2. Most Arabs are Muslim
3. Many terrorists are Arab
4. Most terrorists are Muslim
5. Most Muslims are Arabs
6. Many Muslims are terrorists

Sure the guy who runs the corner store isn't, but he's only one out of hundreds of millions.

1. False. Check the Internet for some pulls. Zoghby is one of them.
2. 75% have Muslim heritage. But few practice their religion.
3. True.
4. Many are, not all.
5. Do some more reading dude. There are 200 Million Arabs. There are 1.2 Billion Muslims. How could 1.2 B be part of 200 M. :?
6. False.

[SarahG]

1. Most Arabs turn a blind eye to terrorists
2. Most Arabs are Muslim
3. Many terrorists are Arab
4. Most terrorists are Muslim
5. Most Muslims are Arabs
6. Many Muslims are terrorists

Sure the guy who runs the corner store isn't, but he's only one out of hundreds of millions.

You've got to be kidding.

Out of those "hundreds of millions" I am sure far more run "corner stores" then blow themselves up in Israel.

How many terrorists do you think there are on this planet in general? A million? Two? Five? 10? Even if its 20 million (which I think would be an insanely inaccurate number), that's a very small number out of a population of HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS.

Now let's try to be realistic just for punctuality. The Islamic world is somewhere between 1 and 1.6 billion people. To keep it easy let's low ball it with 1billion people.

Assuming there are 25 million terrorists in the world in total (not caring about race, religion, or cause), 25,000,000/1,000,000,000 = 0.025, or if rounded up- 3%.

So if there are 25 million terrorists in the entire world, AND every one of them were Islamic- you'd have a figure of less than 3%.

Added in to add perspective: btw if there were 25 million terrorists, that would be almost 4 for every person in the country of Israel. So realistically that number is probably pretty high... so if the terrorist population is really much lower, and the islamic population is higher than 1 billion, a more accurate percentage would be one percent.

[african1]

sorry no, right assumptions. Ideals are one thing, reality is another. I didn't say anything about obama, this thread is about obama, I thought it was about how disgusting arabs are.

where're you from? What is your educational level?

[african1]

1. Most Arabs turn a blind eye to terrorists
2. Most Arabs are Muslim
3. Many terrorists are Arab
4. Most terrorists are Muslim
5. Most Muslims are Arabs
6. Many Muslims are terrorists

Sure the guy who runs the corner store isn't, but he's only one out of hundreds of millions.

You've got to be kidding.

Out of those "hundreds of millions" I am sure far more run "corner stores" then blow themselves up in Israel.

How many terrorists do you think there are on this planet in general? A million? Two? Five? 10? Even if its 20 million (which I think would be an insanely inaccurate number), that's a very small number out of a population of HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS.

Now let's try to be realistic just for punctuality. The Islamic world is somewhere between 1 and 1.6 billion people. To keep it easy let's low ball it with 1billion people.

Assuming there are 25 million terrorists in the world in total (not caring about race, religion, or cause), 25,000,000/1,000,000,000 = 0.025, or if rounded up- 3%.

So if there are 25 million terrorists in the entire world, AND every one of them were Islamic- you'd have a figure of less than 3%.

Sarah, this is another uneducated person. He doesn't know what he is talking about.

He reminds me of...Hmmmm :D


http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200708/r172280_649288.jpg

http://www.vanceholmes.com/court/mark_foley_page.jpg

[NYBURBS]

Gayle Quinnell, a 75 years old unsophisticated rube from Shakopee, Minnesota, told Senator John McCain while attending a rally "I don't trust Obama, I have read about him. He's an Arab." McCain defended Obama saying "No, ma'am. He's a decent, family man, a citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with him on fundamental issues and that's what this campaign is all about."

We can understand the bigotry and ignorance of this woman as she is from nowhere, but what baffled me was McCain's response. His response makes you think that people from Arabic decent cannot be decent family people. A better answer would've been: No ma'am, he is not an Arab as his father is Kenyan and his mother is from Kansas.

I was truly undecided until two weeks ago when I started seeing the real faces of McCain's supporters and their outrage over Obama's race and ethnicity. But as you look at them, most of these people are old or in their middle age. Most are from remote areas (the country side). Who knows, maybe they don't even have the Internet where they live. This Gayle Quinnell had to go to the library to find that information. Who knows, maybe she accidentally stumbled upon a supremacist website. This goes to show you how many older people are ignorant in this country. But if you spark a conversation about biblical prophecies with them, you will be quite amused. :roll:

Thank God young people are finally voting in this election. I am young and I will be voting Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOU9xZ4zcss&eurl=http

The whole "young people finally voting" is over used dude, I've been voting since I turned 18 in the mid-90's and I have to say I've heard people say that line each election.

With that said, yes there is a particular level of ignorance and fear that engenders each generation. I'd be willing to bet that to a large degree her generation was more tolerant and educated than the one that preceded it. I think our generation also has a much greater understanding of how similar human beings are throughout the world due to our ability and privilege to interact through use of the internet.

As for McCain I think he was actually trying to make an honorable statement and over analyzing his statement is counter-productive in my opinion.

On a closing note I would point out that you also made an ignorant statement in commenting that this woman's ignorance is understandable because she is from no where. You're doing much the same as you just complained about, labeling whole swaths of people because of their geographic or ethnic background.

[african1]

On a closing note I would point out that you also made an ignorant statement in commenting that this woman's ignorance is understandable because she is from no where. You're doing much the same as you just complained about, labeling whole swaths of people because of their geographic or ethnic background.

Maybe, but due to my military service I lived in different parts of the country and in small and large cities. I always find people less tolerant in small communities than the large ones. Everyone will agree that a person who lives in NYC or San F. will be more tolerant to other cultures than a one from let's say Boise, or Wichita. Do you think that a transsexual person will be accepted in where Gayle lives?

But you got a good point: Each generation is smarter and more tolerant than the generation preceding it. Who could've known that finally we will have an African American as a president? People always said it's an impossibility. Our generation will make this happen.

[NYBURBS]

Maybe, but due to my military service I lived in different parts of the country and in small and large cities. I always find people less tolerant in small communities than the large ones. Everyone will agree that a person who lives in NYC or San F. will be more tolerant to other cultures than a one from let's say Boise, or Wichita. Do you think that a transsexual person will be accepted in where Gayle lives?


I understand the whole exposure to some rather close minded people in the military. I served also and saw the same thing. Just pointing out that if we don't want others to generalize than we have to be careful not to do the same thing ourselves.

[blckhaze]

whats wrong with being arab in 2008 is the same as what was wrong with being black in the 60's. Wrong place, wrong time.

[lupinIII]

1. Most Arabs turn a blind eye to terrorists
2. Most Arabs are Muslim
3. Many terrorists are Arab
4. Most terrorists are Muslim
5. Most Muslims are Arabs
6. Many Muslims are terrorists


These 6 uninformed, essentialist blanket statements are evidence enough that you must be stoned off your fucking gourd.

[tiramisu]

i know arabs have big cock..much bigger than us

[car.jessi]

That only shows that Gayle Quinnell is probably a high school drop out or maybe never had any formal education and therefore uneducated and highly misinformed about alot of things which is truly sad! I don't think people from MN are that stupid. ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

honey, as always, you just seem to say the right thing. Or you're endorsed for the Nobel or I'm just lovin'you. Anyway, I think and I hope Obama'll win. But I also think Mr. Mc Cain is an honest guy. As for arabs, quoting Sting 'I hope they love their love their children too'

[african1]

whats wrong with being arab in 2008 is the same as what was wrong with being black in the 60's. Wrong place, wrong time.

Good point, but there is no point to have a civil movement for each ethnicity. We need everyone, and especially those minorities that suffered the most in the past from discrimination to stand up to all injustice against any ethnic group. It's 2008 guys. Racism should be a thing of the past.

[blckhaze]

whats wrong with being arab in 2008 is the same as what was wrong with being black in the 60's. Wrong place, wrong time.

Good point, but there is no point to have a civil movement for each ethnicity. We need everyone, and especially those minorities that suffered the most in the past from discrimination to stand up to all injustice against any ethnic group. It's 2008 guys. Racism should be a thing of the past.


Never said there needed to be. Just my observation that when a few bad apple emerge, a whole race/religion/sex/species/etc. is held accountable.

[peggygee]

intollerant and hateful of all who don't practice islam, a culture that promotes the abuse and disenfranchisement of women. No not all arabs are like this, but most are. They would also hate all of us for liking trannies, and they'd REALLY hate the trannies themselves, probably stone them to death via court order.



1. Most Arabs turn a blind eye to terrorists
2. Most Arabs are Muslim
3. Many terrorists are Arab
4. Most terrorists are Muslim
5. Most Muslims are Arabs
6. Many Muslims are terrorists

Sure the guy who runs the corner store isn't, but he's only one out of hundreds of millions.

Once again I will re-iterate my post from a previous thread.
http://www.hungangels.com/board/posting.php?mode=editpost&p=547643

If Obama was a Muslim or an Arab, which he is not, why would that
be problematic?

Is it because America and Europe has a propensity to glorify and defend
all things Judeo-Christian, and to demonize all things Islamic.

What we have done in the West is objectified Muslims and made them
modern day 'boogey men', much as we did the so-called 'godless
Africans, Native American, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Russian' or
whatever group we were at odds with, who were different than us, and
whose goals did not meet our's.

Islam is not a religion of violence and terrorism. There is nothing in the
Suras of the Qu'ran, the hadiths, that advocates violence.

I will concede that there are elements of Sharia law that are draconian in
their implementation, particularly vis-a-vis gays. Yet we see that there
are fatwas or edicts issued by Imams allowing gender re-assignment
surgery.

[african1]

whats wrong with being arab in 2008 is the same as what was wrong with being black in the 60's. Wrong place, wrong time.

Hardly, not even close.

Do you think Arabs situation is worse or better than that of blacks in the 60s?

[yodajazz]

intollerant and hateful of all who don't practice islam, a culture that promotes the abuse and disenfranchisement of women. No not all arabs are like this, but most are. They would also hate all of us for liking trannies, and they'd REALLY hate the trannies themselves, probably stone them to death via court order.



1. Most Arabs turn a blind eye to terrorists
2. Most Arabs are Muslim
3. Many terrorists are Arab
4. Most terrorists are Muslim
5. Most Muslims are Arabs
6. Many Muslims are terrorists

Sure the guy who runs the corner store isn't, but he's only one out of hundreds of millions.

Once again I will re-iterate my post from a previous thread.
http://www.hungangels.com/board/posting.php?mode=editpost&p=547643

If Obama was a Muslim or an Arab, which he is not, why would that
be problematic?

Is it because America and Europe has a propensity to glorify and defend
all things Judeo-Christian, and to demonize all things Islamic.

What we have done in the West is objectified Muslims and made them
modern day 'boogey men', much as we did the so-called 'godless
Africans, Native American, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Russian' or
whatever group we were at odds with, who were different than us, and
whose goals did not meet our's.

Islam is not a religion of violence and terrorism. There is nothing in the
Suras of the Qu'ran, the hadiths, that advocates violence.

I will concede that there are elements of Sharia law that are draconian in
their implementation, particularly vis-a-vis gays. Yet we see that there
are fatwas or edicts issued by Imams allowing gender re-assignment
surgery.

My view of the Koran is that there is a spiritual/peaceful side, but there is also a war side. The society that Muhammad was born into, and lived in, had a lot of warfare between groups. Muhammad brought spiritual revelation from God, according to his believers, but he also had increasingly do battlefield type of instruction and administration for his growing empire. So it still comes down to choice, of which religious instructions are most important, for daily life and long term happiness. The vast majority wish to live their lives in peace, I believe. My own spiritual discernment tells me that some of the Prophet’s harshest instructions were meant specifically for the battlefield at that time. “Holy war” was an important new concept at the time, because people were only fighting for material bounty and political/territory control, before his new concept of war. Islam brought many positive things to a lot of the people who were brought under its control, including a more humane treatment of women. There are ‘war’ passages in the Bible as well, but most people interpret it to be for a specific reason of the situation at that moment in time.

I believe that religious leadership, in Islam and every other religion, helps people to prioritize which principles are the most important in their time. Peace is an idea which can be spread as well as practiced. The United States has the most weapons of war, and also is responsible for helping to arm numerous governments around the world. Therefore I say, the US has the greatest responsibility to promote peace.

[african1]

The best answer on this subjest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGT3lcPxkKQ

[yodajazz]

The best answer on this subjest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGT3lcPxkKQ :claps

Finally a leader speaking about the true American ideal.

[hippifried]

The problem with Arabs is that they speak Arabic.