Yeah Sarah baby.............

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

http://mrbesilly.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/09/12/sarah_palin.jpg

I knew she could handle something big & black in her hands............

[youcancallmeclaire]

I'm scared of that.

[johnb]

great photoshop

[Paladin]

What I want to know is where the hell are all of the beauty pagent pictures of her. She supposedly won some minor pagent some years back.

[Ashley]

Funny although proven fake by Snopes.

Here's some hot tranny action though...

[kimjongil]

What I want to know is where the hell are all of the beauty pagent pictures of her. She supposedly won some minor pagent some years back.

I don't believe this is a pageant shot, but this is Palin from back in the day:

[JANIRA]

LOL..... I CAN'T STAND HER! WHAT SHE SHOULD BE DOING IS DROPPING OUT THE RACE , AND TAKING THE TIME TO RAISE HER CHILDREN , WHO ARE IN MUCH MORE NEED . INSTEAD OF PLAYING VP. I CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW A MOTHER WHO IS RUNNING FOR A TIME CONSUMING JOB/POSITION , CAN IN SOME WAYS NEGLECT THE FACT THAT SHE HAS A CHILD WHO HAS DOWN SYNDROME,,AND A DAUGHTER WHO IS UNDERAGE AND PREGNANT , AND SO FORTH.....IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE HER PLATE IS MORE THAN FULL TO BEGIN WITH. WHEN SHE SPEAKS YOU KNOW WHAT I HEAR...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ylX_bianR0

[SarahG]

LOL..... I CAN'T STAND HER! WHAT SHE SHOULD BE DOING IS DROPPING OUT THE RACE , AND TAKING THE TIME TO RAISE HER CHILDREN , WHO ARE IN MUCH MORE NEED . INSTEAD OF PLAYING VP. I CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW A MOTHER WHO IS RUNNING FOR A TIME CONSUMING JOB/POSITION , CAN IN SOME WAYS NEGLECT THE FACT THAT SHE HAS A CHILD WHO HAS DOWN SYNDROME,,AND A DAUGHTER WHO IS UNDERAGE AND PREGNANT , AND SO FORTH.....IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE HER PLATE IS MORE THAN FULL TO BEGIN WITH. WHEN SHE SPEAKS YOU KNOW WHAT I HEAR...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ylX_bianR0

Unless Mccain dies VP is supposed to be a do-nothing symbolic position most of the time.

You remember all the things Gore did during Clinton's presidency? Oh wait...

TR was put in the whitehouse as McKinley's VP simply because the corrupt Republicans wanted the radical progressive where he wouldn't/couldn't do anything. It back fired because McKinley was killed, but until then even TR lamented about how bored and purposeless his new job was.

I don't like her either, but its a weak argument imo.

[Richctdude]

very scary

[JANIRA]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/siemprebella/jitcrunch-1aspx.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/siemprebella/jitcrunchaspx.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/siemprebella/303214845_350x350_Front.jpg...............lolll

[Justawannabe]

Okay... thank you... those are damn funny T-shirts...

Not sure I have the balls to wear them out myself... but very very funny.

Sean

[MrShow52]

wow you'd think sarah palin had a dick the way you fags obsess over her. More shemales plz, move this topic to politics (zzzz)

[lisaparadise]

LOL..... I CAN'T STAND HER! WHAT SHE SHOULD BE DOING IS DROPPING OUT THE RACE , AND TAKING THE TIME TO RAISE HER CHILDREN , WHO ARE IN MUCH MORE NEED . INSTEAD OF PLAYING VP. I CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW A MOTHER WHO IS RUNNING FOR A TIME CONSUMING JOB/POSITION , CAN IN SOME WAYS NEGLECT THE FACT THAT SHE HAS A CHILD WHO HAS DOWN SYNDROME,,AND A DAUGHTER WHO IS UNDERAGE AND PREGNANT , AND SO FORTH.....IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE HER PLATE IS MORE THAN FULL TO BEGIN WITH. WHEN SHE SPEAKS YOU KNOW WHAT I HEAR...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ylX_bianR0 co-sign let her 10 minutes of fame fade away into the sunset and let her get back to what really matters like shooting animals from a helicopter.anyone american with a brain knows obama is exactly what you need to move forward period.

[kimjongil]

Unless Mccain dies VP is supposed to be a do-nothing symbolic position most of the time.

Explain that theory to Dick :twisted: Cheney. And make sure that you are wearing a kevlar vest when you do.

[arnie666]

LOL..... I CAN'T STAND HER! WHAT SHE SHOULD BE DOING IS DROPPING OUT THE RACE , AND TAKING THE TIME TO RAISE HER CHILDREN , WHO ARE IN MUCH MORE NEED . INSTEAD OF PLAYING VP. I CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW A MOTHER WHO IS RUNNING FOR A TIME CONSUMING JOB/POSITION , CAN IN SOME WAYS NEGLECT THE FACT THAT SHE HAS A CHILD WHO HAS DOWN SYNDROME,,AND A DAUGHTER WHO IS UNDERAGE AND PREGNANT , AND SO FORTH.....IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE HER PLATE IS MORE THAN FULL TO BEGIN WITH. WHEN SHE SPEAKS YOU KNOW WHAT I HEAR...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ylX_bianR0

Oh dear what a disgustingly sexist point of view. I personally think it's remarkable that a mother who hasn't been to harvard or Yale and isn't from some big political family or has had a military career can get to where she has. Her having all those children't shouldn't make her more qualified to be VP like some wimmin are saying but it shouldn't be counted against her either.And isn't her husband able to help her or don't you believe men can be as good at looking after children?
I wonder if the same argument would be brought up if she wasn't a nasty anti woman , anti Gay republican? If the Dems use arguments like yours they will assist the Mcain campaign . Democrats...' the party that not only is the party of womens rights but dictates to women what rights they can have!'.

[lisaparadise]

LOL..... I CAN'T STAND HER! WHAT SHE SHOULD BE DOING IS DROPPING OUT THE RACE , AND TAKING THE TIME TO RAISE HER CHILDREN , WHO ARE IN MUCH MORE NEED . INSTEAD OF PLAYING VP. I CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW A MOTHER WHO IS RUNNING FOR A TIME CONSUMING JOB/POSITION , CAN IN SOME WAYS NEGLECT THE FACT THAT SHE HAS A CHILD WHO HAS DOWN SYNDROME,,AND A DAUGHTER WHO IS UNDERAGE AND PREGNANT , AND SO FORTH.....IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE HER PLATE IS MORE THAN FULL TO BEGIN WITH. WHEN SHE SPEAKS YOU KNOW WHAT I HEAR...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ylX_bianR0

Oh dear what a disgustingly sexist point of view. I personally think it's remarkable that a mother who hasn't been to harvard or Yale and isn't from some big political family or has had a military career can get to where she has. Her having all those children't shouldn't make her more qualified to be VP like some wimmin are saying but it shouldn't be counted against her either.And isn't her husband able to help her or don't you believe men can be as good at looking after children?
I wonder if the same argument would be brought up if she wasn't a nasty anti woman , anti Gay republican? If the Dems use arguments like yours they will assist the Mcain campaign . Democrats...' the party that not only is the party of womens rights but dictates to women what rights they can have!'. good point but the fact is everything outta her mouth has been proven to be lies plain and simple,the only reason palanwas picked was because mcain was getting his ass put on a platter by the obama campain,talk to me after the debate with bidon....macain cant even trust this nut job to answer questions cause there too busy trying to kleen up her messin back im wassilia...

[tubgirl]

anyone american with a brain knows obama is exactly what you need to move forward period.

so, this was a comprehensive poll you took then?

[lisaparadise]

anyone american with a brain knows obama is exactly what you need to move forward period.

so, this was a comprehensive poll you took then?lol ya know its hard to take you serious with that avitar hahahaha nice one ,,,,,nottttttttttttt

[DX4LIFE]

wow talk about a bunch of people who are hypocrits

you claim that most people have hatred and discrimitive against but yet you act like children

BTW Palin is not Bush

Obumma is running a campaighn on Pure Hatred for Bush with no grounds for policies its Hatred on Bush/Women and using his race as a black man for a crutch

how dare any one of you try to claim Palin is something you "think" she is when you dont

isnt that the same thing u ask of anyone to think about yourselves?

[MrShow52]

anyone american with a brain knows obama is exactly what you need to move forward period.

so, this was a comprehensive poll you took then?lol ya know its hard to take you serious with that avitar hahahaha nice one ,,,,,nottttttttttttt

you know its hard to take you serious with canada in your signature.

[tubgirl]

anyone american with a brain knows obama is exactly what you need to move forward period.

so, this was a comprehensive poll you took then?lol ya know its hard to take you serious with that avitar hahahaha nice one ,,,,,nottttttttttttt

just asking a question....

[lisaparadise]

anyone american with a brain knows obama is exactly what you need to move forward period.

so, this was a comprehensive poll you took then?lol ya know its hard to take you serious with that avitar hahahaha nice one ,,,,,nottttttttttttt

you know its hard to take you serious with canada in your signature.oh thats hilarious EH lol nice comeback

[SarahG]

Unless Mccain dies VP is supposed to be a do-nothing symbolic position most of the time.

Explain that theory to Dick :twisted: Cheney. And make sure that you are wearing a kevlar vest when you do.

With his accuracy I wouldn't be worried :lol:

So basically you're saying that Palin would be the real President with McCain as a figurehead like what we have now with Bush-Cheney?

Not sure I agree.



LOL..... I CAN'T STAND HER! WHAT SHE SHOULD BE DOING IS DROPPING OUT THE RACE , AND TAKING THE TIME TO RAISE HER CHILDREN , WHO ARE IN MUCH MORE NEED . INSTEAD OF PLAYING VP. I CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW A MOTHER WHO IS RUNNING FOR A TIME CONSUMING JOB/POSITION , CAN IN SOME WAYS NEGLECT THE FACT THAT SHE HAS A CHILD WHO HAS DOWN SYNDROME,,AND A DAUGHTER WHO IS UNDERAGE AND PREGNANT , AND SO FORTH.....IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE HER PLATE IS MORE THAN FULL TO BEGIN WITH. WHEN SHE SPEAKS YOU KNOW WHAT I HEAR...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ylX_bianR0

Oh dear what a disgustingly sexist point of view.

If a republican had said it, people would be throwing a shit-fit over it.

I can, barely, see the argument in favor of this perception when we're dealing with getting preg while in a policymaking position. With a preg a lot of stuff can effect a girl's job performance, because it is such a heavy duty thing to go through, and there can be quite a bit of healing time after the birth especially depending on the complications involved.

But it's a weak argument, and we've never actually required or forced a president to step down due to health issues* and I don't see how that would change just because a preg is involved. There are some interesting stories out there about Jackson being held down on white house tables so that bullets from duels could be extracted. In one case he kept the bullet after the fact knowing he was set to meet with the guy he had faced years back at a state dinner, walked over during the dinner- handed the guy the bullet and said "this once belonged to you" (paraphrasing- not a direct quote) and returned it. If it had been me I would have reused it and shot Jackson again...

But then again she wasn't talking about potential complications from preg after being knocked up, the rant was about her having kids already- and that argument just doesn't fly. BTW did you notice at the RNC that Mrs. McCain was holding one of Palin's kids in some of the shots? That wasn't coincidental, the RNC was basically trying to show that raising kids wasn't gonna be a problem.

I think raising kids already is a prob in this family IF it ends up that the one preg daughter was coerced into keeping the child, then arranged in a shotgun wedding. Given that, if that's how it is, living in a whitehouse full of servants isn't exactly a step down for their quality of life (its already fubar IF the kids are being forced to handle reproductive rights or relationships to cater to political agendas).



*I think with FDR, the public wouldn't have elected him if the extent of his polio problems were known. Same could possible be said about Reagan w/ Alzheimers (yes, he showed signs of it that far back in his life).

[lisaparadise]

wow talk about a bunch of people who are hypocrits

you claim that most people have hatred and discrimitive against but yet you act like children

BTW Palin is not Bush

Obumma is running a campaighn on Pure Hatred for Bush with no grounds for policies its Hatred on Bush/Women and using his race as a black man for a crutch

how dare any one of you try to claim Palin is something you "think" she is when you dont

isnt that the same thing u ask of anyone to think about yourselves?oh my god you must be a typical american white boy from alabama ,lol what exactly do you know about palan that the rest of us dont?not much seeing as her own party doesnt want her ansering any questions that about says it all now doesnt it?im thinkin you need to stick to the truth and watch and listen alittle more carefully to the issues at hand,do you know any american making under 300 thousand a year who doesnt like bush?i didnt think so....your voting for an idiot who thinks telling people lies is just fine aka his smear campain against barack telling americans obama want to teach sex ed to kindergarden kids what a fuckin piece of work,,,so what if macain is a so called war hero guess what he was in a war his fellow american republicans put him in.and i took jfk his life getting his sorry ass outta there.kinda funny macain has 10 lobbyist on his pay roll and you cant se the warning signs? gimmie a break and wake up.

[SarahG]

so what if macain is a so called war hero guess what he was in a war his fellow american republicans put him in.

Wrong, 'nam was bipartisan as it gets. Both sides were Hawks during that stage of the Cold War, and it was JFK who caused the 'nam escalations to spiral out of control.

A few of JFK's advisers have even written books since, apologizing for 'nam, acknowledging the rule JFK had in causing it.

LBJ was a democrat, Nixon was a republican, but Nixon actually ran (and won) on the let's end the war campaign message of having a "secret plan to end the war" (that secret plan, if it existed at all, was to use a surge).

[lisaparadise]

anyone american with a brain knows obama is exactly what you need to move forward period.


You know its hard to take you serious with canada in your signature.

http://content.pyzam.com/graphics/insults/IBS.gifhahahaha very funny lol

[lisaparadise]

so what if macain is a so called war hero guess what he was in a war his fellow american republicans put him in.

Wrong, 'nam was bipartisan as it gets. Both sides were Hawks during that stage of the Cold War, and it was JFK who caused the 'nam escalations to spiral out of control.

A few of JFK's advisers have even written books since, apologizing for 'nam, acknowledging the rule JFK had in causing it.

LBJ was a democrat, Nixon was a republican, but Nixon actually ran (and won) on the let's end the war campaign message of having a "secret plan to end the war" (that secret plan, if it existed at all, was to use a surge). bullshit it was jfk who wanted them out not nixon dunno what your smokin but would ya share? lol

[SarahG]

bullshit it was jfk who wanted them out not nixon dunno what your smokin but would ya share? lol

1) JFK used military aid to support the south vietnam anti-Communist factions

2) JFK ok'd and aided the overthrow and then assassination of Diem

3) JFK more than doubled our military presence in 'nam (again this all before Tonkins)

4) JFK supported a new leader for South Vietnam who was blatantly bad in terms of human rights violations, worse than Diem ever was- prompting monks to burn themselves to death on the streets.

http://www.vietnampix.com/bilder/fire5e2.jpg


These actions:
1- Destabilized Vietnam
2- Committed the United States to the region
3- Caused chaos that showed it was all going out of control

With JFK's re-election coming up, these IMMEDIATE direct ramifications were important, and only then under the context of re-election concerns, did JFK consider his course of action were incorrect.

By then it was too little, too late.

It shows JFK was a hawk until it threatened his political career- and is no more or less different from what the United States foreign policy had been like since Wilson.

[lisaparadise]

bullshit it was jfk who wanted them out not nixon dunno what your smokin but would ya share? lol

1) JFK used military aid to support the south vietnam anti-Communist factions

2) JFK ok'd and aided the overthrow and then assassination of Diem

3) JFK more than doubled our military presence in 'nam (again this all before Tonkins)

4) JFK supported a new leader for South Vietnam who was blatantly bad in terms of human rights violations, worse than Diem ever was- prompting monks to burn themselves to death on the streets.

http://www.vietnampix.com/bilder/fire5e2.jpg


These actions:
1- Destabilized Vietnam
2- Committed the United States to the region
3- Caused chaos that showed it was all going out of control

With JFK's re-election coming up, these IMMEDIATE direct ramifications were important, and only then under the context of re-election concerns, did JFK consider his course of action were incorrect.

By then it was too little, too late.

It shows JFK was a hawk until it threatened his political career- and is no more or less different from what the United States foreign policy had been like since Wilson. http://www.amazon.com/JFK-Vietnam-Deception-Intrigue-Struggle/dp/0446516783 still wanna share what your smokin lol

[SarahG]

bullshit it was jfk who wanted them out not nixon dunno what your smokin but would ya share? lol

1) JFK used military aid to support the south vietnam anti-Communist factions

2) JFK ok'd and aided the overthrow and then assassination of Diem

3) JFK more than doubled our military presence in 'nam (again this all before Tonkins)

4) JFK supported a new leader for South Vietnam who was blatantly bad in terms of human rights violations, worse than Diem ever was- prompting monks to burn themselves to death on the streets.

http://www.vietnampix.com/bilder/fire5e2.jpg


These actions:
1- Destabilized Vietnam
2- Committed the United States to the region
3- Caused chaos that showed it was all going out of control

With JFK's re-election coming up, these IMMEDIATE direct ramifications were important, and only then under the context of re-election concerns, did JFK consider his course of action were incorrect.

By then it was too little, too late.

It shows JFK was a hawk until it threatened his political career- and is no more or less different from what the United States foreign policy had been like since Wilson. http://www.amazon.com/JFK-Vietnam-Deception-Intrigue-Struggle/dp/0446516783 still wanna share what your smokin lol

There are books that claim we never went to the moon, and that JFK was murdered by shape shifting lizard aliens... that doesn't mean its true.

Even if this book is factually correct, it still doesn't change that JFK was escalating vietnam until he realized it risked his re-election potential.

To put it using even fewer words: JFK was for escalation before he was against it.

I'm not saying he never changed his mind.

[lisaparadise]

bullshit it was jfk who wanted them out not nixon dunno what your smokin but would ya share? lol

1) JFK used military aid to support the south vietnam anti-Communist factions

2) JFK ok'd and aided the overthrow and then assassination of Diem

3) JFK more than doubled our military presence in 'nam (again this all before Tonkins)

4) JFK supported a new leader for South Vietnam who was blatantly bad in terms of human rights violations, worse than Diem ever was- prompting monks to burn themselves to death on the streets.

http://www.vietnampix.com/bilder/fire5e2.jpg


These actions:
1- Destabilized Vietnam
2- Committed the United States to the region
3- Caused chaos that showed it was all going out of control

With JFK's re-election coming up, these IMMEDIATE direct ramifications were important, and only then under the context of re-election concerns, did JFK consider his course of action were incorrect.

By then it was too little, too late.

It shows JFK was a hawk until it threatened his political career- and is no more or less different from what the United States foreign policy had been like since Wilson. http://www.amazon.com/JFK-Vietnam-Deception-Intrigue-Struggle/dp/0446516783 still wanna share what your smokin lol

There are books that claim we never went to the moon, and that JFK was murdered by shape shifting lizard aliens... that doesn't mean its true.

Even if this book is factually correct, it still doesn't change that JFK was escalating vietnam until he realized it risked his re-election potential.

To put it using even fewer words: JFK was for escalation before he was against it.

I'm not saying he never changed his mind.we can go back and forth on this all night but we will never change each others mind,i respect your opinion but well agree to dissagree and leave it at that.

[DX4LIFE]

wow talk about a bunch of people who are hypocrits

you claim that most people have hatred and discrimitive against but yet you act like children

BTW Palin is not Bush

Obumma is running a campaighn on Pure Hatred for Bush with no grounds for policies its Hatred on Bush/Women and using his race as a black man for a crutch

how dare any one of you try to claim Palin is something you "think" she is when you dont

isnt that the same thing u ask of anyone to think about yourselves?oh my god you must be a typical american white boy from alabama ,lol what exactly do you know about palan that the rest of us dont?not much seeing as her own party doesnt want her ansering any questions that about says it all now doesnt it?im thinkin you need to stick to the truth and watch and listen alittle more carefully to the issues at hand,do you know any american making under 300 thousand a year who doesnt like bush?i didnt think so....your voting for an idiot who thinks telling people lies is just fine aka his smear campain against barack telling americans obama want to teach sex ed to kindergarden kids what a fuckin piece of work,,,so what if macain is a so called war hero guess what he was in a war his fellow american republicans put him in.and i took jfk his life getting his sorry ass outta there.kinda funny macain has 10 lobbyist on his pay roll and you cant se the warning signs? gimmie a break and wake up.

None of yoru claims are facts and maybe when you learn to spell you can sense to form a valid arguement

Barack Obumma will lose u will come hear and bitch about it about how bad america is cause another liberal lost

but yet you;re still living here :-)

I will be pleased to here your complaints November 5th

[SarahG]

wow talk about a bunch of people who are hypocrits

you claim that most people have hatred and discrimitive against but yet you act like children

BTW Palin is not Bush

Obumma is running a campaighn on Pure Hatred for Bush with no grounds for policies its Hatred on Bush/Women and using his race as a black man for a crutch

how dare any one of you try to claim Palin is something you "think" she is when you dont

isnt that the same thing u ask of anyone to think about yourselves?oh my god you must be a typical american white boy from alabama ,lol what exactly do you know about palan that the rest of us dont?not much seeing as her own party doesnt want her ansering any questions that about says it all now doesnt it?im thinkin you need to stick to the truth and watch and listen alittle more carefully to the issues at hand,do you know any american making under 300 thousand a year who doesnt like bush?i didnt think so....your voting for an idiot who thinks telling people lies is just fine aka his smear campain against barack telling americans obama want to teach sex ed to kindergarden kids what a fuckin piece of work,,,so what if macain is a so called war hero guess what he was in a war his fellow american republicans put him in.and i took jfk his life getting his sorry ass outta there.kinda funny macain has 10 lobbyist on his pay roll and you cant se the warning signs? gimmie a break and wake up.

None of yoru claims are facts and maybe when you learn to spell you can sense to form a valid arguement

Barack Obumma will lose u will come hear and bitch about it about how bad america is cause another liberal lost

but yet you;re still living here :-)

I will be pleased to here your complaints November 5th

I know Texas isn't known for its public schools, but you realize how many English and grammar errors you made in that response to hers? :P

[hondarobot]

wow talk about a bunch of people who are hypocrits

you claim that most people have hatred and discrimitive against but yet you act like children

BTW Palin is not Bush

Obumma is running a campaighn on Pure Hatred for Bush with no grounds for policies its Hatred on Bush/Women and using his race as a black man for a crutch

how dare any one of you try to claim Palin is something you "think" she is when you dont

isnt that the same thing u ask of anyone to think about yourselves?oh my god you must be a typical american white boy from alabama ,lol what exactly do you know about palan that the rest of us dont?not much seeing as her own party doesnt want her ansering any questions that about says it all now doesnt it?im thinkin you need to stick to the truth and watch and listen alittle more carefully to the issues at hand,do you know any american making under 300 thousand a year who doesnt like bush?i didnt think so....your voting for an idiot who thinks telling people lies is just fine aka his smear campain against barack telling americans obama want to teach sex ed to kindergarden kids what a fuckin piece of work,,,so what if macain is a so called war hero guess what he was in a war his fellow american republicans put him in.and i took jfk his life getting his sorry ass outta there.kinda funny macain has 10 lobbyist on his pay roll and you cant se the warning signs? gimmie a break and wake up.

None of yoru claims are facts and maybe when you learn to spell you can sense to form a valid arguement

Barack Obumma will lose u will come hear and bitch about it about how bad america is cause another liberal lost

but yet you;re still living here :-)

I will be pleased to here your complaints November 5th

I know Texas isn't known for its public schools, but you realize how many English and grammar errors you made in that response to hers? :P

You didn't even have to mention "here your complaints", SarahG. Heh. I love freedom of speech, it gives those loud mouth conservatives all the rope they need to hang themselves.

:lol:

[SarahG]

wow talk about a bunch of people who are hypocrits

you claim that most people have hatred and discrimitive against but yet you act like children

BTW Palin is not Bush

Obumma is running a campaighn on Pure Hatred for Bush with no grounds for policies its Hatred on Bush/Women and using his race as a black man for a crutch

how dare any one of you try to claim Palin is something you "think" she is when you dont

isnt that the same thing u ask of anyone to think about yourselves?oh my god you must be a typical american white boy from alabama ,lol what exactly do you know about palan that the rest of us dont?not much seeing as her own party doesnt want her ansering any questions that about says it all now doesnt it?im thinkin you need to stick to the truth and watch and listen alittle more carefully to the issues at hand,do you know any american making under 300 thousand a year who doesnt like bush?i didnt think so....your voting for an idiot who thinks telling people lies is just fine aka his smear campain against barack telling americans obama want to teach sex ed to kindergarden kids what a fuckin piece of work,,,so what if macain is a so called war hero guess what he was in a war his fellow american republicans put him in.and i took jfk his life getting his sorry ass outta there.kinda funny macain has 10 lobbyist on his pay roll and you cant se the warning signs? gimmie a break and wake up.

None of yoru claims are facts and maybe when you learn to spell you can sense to form a valid arguement

Barack Obumma will lose u will come hear and bitch about it about how bad america is cause another liberal lost

but yet you;re still living here :-)

I will be pleased to here your complaints November 5th

I know Texas isn't known for its public schools, but you realize how many English and grammar errors you made in that response to hers? :P

You didn't even have to mention "here your complaints", SarahG. Heh. I love freedom of speech, it gives those loud mouth conservatives all the rope they need to hang themselves.

:lol:

I missed more than that if you're paying attention ;)

[Paladin]

What I want to know is where the hell are all of the beauty pagent pictures of her. She supposedly won some minor pagent some years back.

I don't believe this is a pageant shot, but this is Palin from back in the day:

Thanks kimjong(mentally)il - hey i guess he really is mentally il now :P

[msbhaven]

I know a lot of people here vote Democrat because of transgendered rights issues, but do you really think Obama is going to support those issues any more than a Republican candidate? I seriously doubt that Obama loves us or want's to be associated with us anymore than McCain does. If I'm right then what other reasons do transgendered, and transgendered supporters have to vote for Obama? Just because they say they like you and support you to your face doesn't mean they do the same when your back is turned.

[SarahG]

I know a lot of people here vote Democrat because of transgendered rights issues, but do you really think Obama is going to support those issues any more than a Republican candidate? I seriously doubt that Obama loves us or want's to be associated with us anymore than McCain does. If I'm right then what other reasons do transgendered, and transgendered supporters have to vote for Obama? Just because they say they like you and support you to your face doesn't mean they do the same when your back is turned.

Obama clearly doesn't care about the issue- like (imho) most of America. For most people, unless you're lgbt or are close to someone who is, it really isn't something that is thought about in day to day American life, especially when there are issues almost everyone can relate to (like the economy).

The difference is that, while one side doesn't seem to give a shit- the other side absolutely cares. Running against lgbt rights has been a cornerstone of the Republican party for years. It was the biggest issue in 2004, it was how Bush got re-elected, and it probably had a role of some kind in choosing Palin for VP.

THANKFULLY, so far, it has been mostly a footnote in this election.

But why Obama? Well, I am not a big fan of the guy, he doesn't get me excited, I don't think he's particularly talented BUT if the choice is voting for someone who I know is inclined to try to reverse lgbt rights, and someone who is going to be more inclined to keep things as they are- the 2nd choice is the superior choice.

McCain is a concern for me not because of his personal views on lgbt issues so much as my fears regarding his VP pick. My prediction is that if McCain wins, Palin will run in 2012, she'll win, and she'll serve two terms (meaning 12 more years of this bullshit). Why else would McCain be allowing so much of this election to be Palin-mania? Why else would he be going around the country having HER do most the talking? He's parading her around knowing that she will be his successor, and that is what he wants.

She'll prolly run as #1 in the next election no matter what happens, but if McCain loses that's more time for her credibility to falter.

Basically voting for Obama is damage control.

The saving grace could be if the economy tanks, maybe, just maybe, that would make America reluctant to have these guys in office for another 12 years. But I kinda doubt it, this "popularity contest" has had nill to do with the real issues, no one is talking with substance, and no body seems to give two shits if any of the candidates know what they're talking about.

[msbhaven]

SaraG,

I totally get what you are saying and I can totally respect it. Your concerns are almost a mirror image of how I feel. While I don't like that the Repubs are antigay, antitrans, antidrug, antiporn, etc. I like it even less that the dems are for socialized medicine, tighter gun control, more taxes, more government controls on the people. What's more the islamic radical movements in the world frighten me a great deal, and I don't believe Obama is as capable of handling that problem as McCain. Also I know that many Dems are also antigay, antiporn, antitrans, antidrug, etc. Maybe they don't make an issue out of it like the Repubs do but I don't believe Dems are any more of a friend to us then Repubs are.

So....if Dems aren't going to make it easier for me to be a trans or trans lover, or pot smoker, or porn watcher, then why the F would I vote for them? Because I sure don't like their stance on all of the other important issues like defense, medical care, taxes, and limited government.

[lisaparadise]

SaraG,

I totally get what you are saying and I can totally respect it. Your concerns are almost a mirror image of how I feel. While I don't like that the Repubs are antigay, antitrans, antidrug, antiporn, etc. I like it even less that the dems are for socialized medicine, tighter gun control, more taxes, more government controls on the people. What's more the islamic radical movements in the world frighten me a great deal, and I don't believe Obama is as capable of handling that problem as McCain. Also I know that many Dems are also antigay, antiporn, antitrans, antidrug, etc. Maybe they don't make an issue out of it like the Repubs do but I don't believe Dems are any more of a friend to us then Repubs are.

So....if Dems aren't going to make it easier for me to be a trans or trans lover, or pot smoker, or porn watcher, then why the F would I vote for them? Because I sure don't like their stance on all of the other important issues like defense, medical care, taxes, and limited government.its not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country,,,,,you want 4 more years of the same go for it but all americans know this can not happen now can it,nobody gives a rats ass about your being a translover or a trans or your porn this is about a nation that lost all respect from other countries about an economy that cant find its way outta the black hole and john has the nerve to say in a speech last night that theres nothing fundamentally wrong with the economy lol get fucking real,this coming from an idiot who doesnt even know how many houses he owns wtf? so let me put it this way either 50per cent of americans are completely stupid or more like 50 per cent are likely racist fucks cause theres no freakion way this political race should be even close plain and simple.....

[tubgirl]

its not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country,,,,,you want 4 more years of the same go for it but all americans know this can not happen now can it,nobody gives a rats ass about your being a translover or a trans or your porn this is about a nation that lost all respect from other countries about an economy that cant find its way outta the black hole and john has the nerve to say in a speech last night that theres nothing fundamentally wrong with the economy lol get fucking real,this coming from an idiot who doesnt even know how many houses he owns wtf? so let me put it this way either 50per cent of americans are completely stupid or more like 50 per cent are likely racist fucks cause theres no freakion way this political race should be even close plain and simple.....

so, now you are on a first-name basis with the candidates? gonna start calling the other one "barry"? anyway, has anyone stopped to think that maybe when mccain said he doesn't know how many houses he owns, maybe he's an investor? hell, i know a guy around here who doesn't know how many houses he owns, you gonna bash on him too?

oh, and yeah, let's vote "barry" in solely because he's black. are you fucking kidding me? :roll: :roll:

[msbhaven]

Well Lisa nobody can accuse you of keeping your opinions all bottled up. But don't you realize your angry responses, and generalizations mark you as being much like the people you so despise.

I didn't hear the speach you refer to but what John McCain said is actually true, at a fundamental level there is NOTHING wrong with our economy. I don't know how old you are, but I myself am just old enough to remember the end of the Carter years and we don't have any of the problems they had back then, there is no double digit inflation, interest rates are nowhere near the high teens, and the unemployment rate has been around 5% more or less for the last 15 years (a lot lower then it was back then). In fact in every measurable category we are in far better shape now then we were at that time. I won't even mention the great depression because the comparisons would be absurd. What John was saying is that there is nothing wrong with our economy that we as a country can't fix. Basically it's another way to say, "The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself." The difference is that when FDR said those words there was a whole lot more than just fear to worry about. But given your defense of JFK earlier in this thread I'm sure you believe that FDR saved the country and made the free world safe for a generation.

Frankly I don't care what other countries think about us. That might be myopic on my part, but that's the way I feel. I'm much more concerned with what intentions other countries have towards us then what they think of us. The world is filled with people that don't like us very much, some of them with nuclear weapons. I don't believe that Obama is going to make them like us anymore then they do now because he isn't going to change the fundamental nature of this country or the world. I do strongly believe his weaker stance, on defense and terrorism is likely to invite attack from those who hate us and are waiting for a vunerability to present itself.

Actually 50% of this country is below average intelligence. And people with average intelligence aren't very bright IMO. So yes it's very easy to believe that half the country is stupid. That is irrelevant however as over half the country doesn't even vote. And of those that are left there are lots of people who vote for one party just because their parents did, and their grandparents did, etc, etc. Then there are plenty of people who vote on only one issue and disreguard everything else about a candidate. These people vote on nothing but gun control, or abortion, or gay rights. Which leads me back to point of my first post. Why hate repubs, McCain, or Palin over a single issue. Even the candidates aren't that narrow in their focus, as Sarah Palin proved when she chose to sign a bill granting spousal rights to same sex couples that worked for the state of Alaska.

Finally anybody that thinks John McCain or Sarah Palin is a George Bush clone, or a Dick Chenney clone just because they have Rs next to their name hasn't really examined the facts or their voting records. Whatever happens in this election I promise you it won't be four more years of anything. McCain is his own man, as is I hope Obama and whatever course either man charts will be their course, and not George Bush's

[lisaparadise]

its not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country,,,,,you want 4 more years of the same go for it but all americans know this can not happen now can it,nobody gives a rats ass about your being a translover or a trans or your porn this is about a nation that lost all respect from other countries about an economy that cant find its way outta the black hole and john has the nerve to say in a speech last night that theres nothing fundamentally wrong with the economy lol get fucking real,this coming from an idiot who doesnt even know how many houses he owns wtf? so let me put it this way either 50per cent of americans are completely stupid or more like 50 per cent are likely racist fucks cause theres no freakion way this political race should be even close plain and simple.....

so, now you are on a first-name basis with the candidates? gonna start calling the other one "barry"? anyway, has anyone stopped to think that maybe when mccain said he doesn't know how many houses he owns, maybe he's an investor? hell, i know a guy around here who doesn't know how many houses he owns, you gonna bash on him too?

oh, and yeah, let's vote "barry" in solely because he's black. are you fucking kidding me? :roll: :roll:get real dip shit

[tubgirl]

Well Lisa nobody can accuse you of keeping your opinions all bottled up. But don't you realize your angry responses, and generalizations mark you as being much like the people you so despise.

I didn't hear the speach you refer to but what John McCain said is actually true, at a fundamental level there is NOTHING wrong with our economy. I don't know how old you are, but I myself am just old enough to remember the end of the Carter years and we don't have any of the problems they had back then, there is no double digit inflation, interest rates are nowhere near the high teens, and the unemployment rate has been around 5% more or less for the last 15 years (a lot lower then it was back then). In fact in every measurable category we are in far better shape now then we were at that time. I won't even mention the great depression because the comparisons would be absurd. What John was saying is that there is nothing wrong with our economy that we as a country can't fix. Basically it's another way to say, "The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself." The difference is that when FDR said those words there was a whole lot more than just fear to worry about. But given your defense of JFK earlier in this thread I'm sure you believe that FDR saved the country and made the free world safe for a generation.

Frankly I don't care what other countries think about us. That might be myopic on my part, but that's the way I feel. I'm much more concerned with what intentions other countries have towards us then what they think of us. The world is filled with people that don't like us very much, some of them with nuclear weapons. I don't believe that Obama is going to make them like us anymore then they do now because he isn't going to change the fundamental nature of this country or the world. I do strongly believe his weaker stance, on defense and terrorism is likely to invite attack from those who hate us and are waiting for a vunerability to present itself.

Actually 50% of this country is below average intelligence. And people with average intelligence aren't very bright IMO. So yes it's very easy to believe that half the country is stupid. That is irrelevant however as over half the country doesn't even vote. And of those that are left there are lots of people who vote for one party just because their parents did, and their grandparents did, etc, etc. Then there are plenty of people who vote on only one issue and disreguard everything else about a candidate. These people vote on nothing but gun control, or abortion, or gay rights. Which leads me back to point of my first post. Why hate repubs, McCain, or Palin over a single issue. Even the candidates aren't that narrow in their focus, as Sarah Palin proved when she chose to sign a bill granting spousal rights to same sex couples that worked for the state of Alaska.

Finally anybody that thinks John McCain or Sarah Palin is a George Bush clone, or a Dick Chenney clone just because they have Rs next to their name hasn't really examined the facts or their voting records. Whatever happens in this election I promise you it won't be four more years of anything. McCain is his own man, as is I hope Obama and whatever course either man charts will be their course, and not George Bush's

well said...

[tubgirl]

its not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country,,,,,you want 4 more years of the same go for it but all americans know this can not happen now can it,nobody gives a rats ass about your being a translover or a trans or your porn this is about a nation that lost all respect from other countries about an economy that cant find its way outta the black hole and john has the nerve to say in a speech last night that theres nothing fundamentally wrong with the economy lol get fucking real,this coming from an idiot who doesnt even know how many houses he owns wtf? so let me put it this way either 50per cent of americans are completely stupid or more like 50 per cent are likely racist fucks cause theres no freakion way this political race should be even close plain and simple.....

so, now you are on a first-name basis with the candidates? gonna start calling the other one "barry"? anyway, has anyone stopped to think that maybe when mccain said he doesn't know how many houses he owns, maybe he's an investor? hell, i know a guy around here who doesn't know how many houses he owns, you gonna bash on him too?

oh, and yeah, let's vote "barry" in solely because he's black. are you fucking kidding me? :roll: :roll:get real dip shit

your witty replies just amaze me...

[lisaparadise]

Well Lisa nobody can accuse you of keeping your opinions all bottled up.

Frankly I don't care what other countries think about us. That might be myopic on my part, but that's the way I feel. I'm much more concerned with what intentions other countries have towards us then what they think of us. The world is filled with people that don't like us very much, some of them with nuclear weapons. typicalamerican attitude fight fight fight thats your countries motto let me tell you something you people need to start caring what other countries think of your beloved united states of america cause if you people keep this shit up for another 8 years none of you will be around bank on it,now you have russia and iran to deal with good luck with that.do you really think other countries respect macain? not likely barack has the personallitty to deal with the rest of your enemies macain will only blow his cool come on guys use your heads watch alittle more closely to what the rest of the world is saying theres alot at stake here not just the usa we are right beside you and dont wanna be part of the fall out when one of your enemies come a calling.....

[SarahG]

So....if Dems aren't going to make it easier for me to be a trans or trans lover, or pot smoker, or porn watcher, then why the F would I vote for them?

Because they are the lesser of the evils in this case,

If the republicans truly stand for what they have been saying for the last ~7 years, then you can not only expect, but predict, republican control would translate into eroding what little progress we've had in this country.

The dems may not be about to make things easier, but the rep's certainly are eager to make things HARDER.

Worse, they know that using lgbt-hating as a distraction worked in 2004, now that the theory has been proven, I'm sure they'll return to it whenever it would bring similar tangible results, be it elections or not.

I really don't know how else to explain it.

[ted naves]

of america cause if you people keep this shit up for another 8 years none of you will be around bank on it

Yeah right. Who wants an ally that judges you on a few things that have gone wrong and of whom doesn't respect the U.S.A. and all of what it has brought to the world.

I hate the kind of people that root for another team just because their team isn't doing very well.



now you have russia and iran to deal with good luck with that.do you really think other countries respect macain? not likely barack has the personallitty to deal with the rest of your enemies macain will only blow his cool

Respect McCain ? They, like most in the U.S.A., probably do not know much about either one of our presidential candidates.

Personality doesn't mean anything, it's the actions you take, for if someone gauges something soley on it's chosen personality of the time, then that's simply unwise.

[tubgirl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8

[lisaparadise]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8 i feel sorry for that guy hes brainwashed by the bush administration and lost his leg for peace?what the fuck is this guy smokin?they were sent to another country because bush though saddam had weapons of mass destrution lol ya ok im thinkin he forgot who took the towers down does bin laden rig a bell?

[tubgirl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8 i feel sorry for that guy hes brainwashed by the bush administration and lost his leg for peace?what the fuck is this guy smokin?they were sent to another country because bush though saddam had weapons of mass destrution lol ya ok im thinkin he forgot who took the towers down does bin laden rig a bell?

i think it's just out-frikken-standing that you know more than someone who has been over there. i'm sure i'll take your opinion over his any day... :roll:

maybe you should be the one to answer the "what's he been smokin'?" question...

[lisaparadise]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8 i feel sorry for that guy hes brainwashed by the bush administration and lost his leg for peace?what the fuck is this guy smokin?they were sent to another country because bush though saddam had weapons of mass destrution lol ya ok im thinkin he forgot who took the towers down does bin laden rig a bell?

i think it's just out-frikken-standing that you know more than someone who has been over there. i'm sure i'll take your opinion over his any day... :roll:

maybe you should be the one to answer the "what's he been smokin'?" question... dude get a grip will ya

[tubgirl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8 i feel sorry for that guy hes brainwashed by the bush administration and lost his leg for peace?what the fuck is this guy smokin?they were sent to another country because bush though saddam had weapons of mass destrution lol ya ok im thinkin he forgot who took the towers down does bin laden rig a bell?

i think it's just out-frikken-standing that you know more than someone who has been over there. i'm sure i'll take your opinion over his any day... :roll:

maybe you should be the one to answer the "what's he been smokin'?" question... dude get a grip will ya

dude, you get a grip...

[jamesedwards]

What I want to know is where the hell are all of the beauty pagent pictures of her. She supposedly won some minor pagent some years back.

Shit Sarah Palin looks terrible there are thousands of TGirls that look way better than her. I would fuck five tgirls at one time before I even look at Palin.

[Justawannabe]

I find the soldiers video somewhat disturbing.

Basically he's saying that the reason you do something is irrelevant as long as the end result is positive. That's pretty scary as a political philosophy, as it allows you to justify the start of any action, and as long as you can keep it going you don't have to justify it, as you haven't reached the end.

Similar is the idea that sacrifices made justify unending further sacrifice. Do you save a fireman when he's about to save a child, well yes, if he child is going to die anyway, or if you are simply trading the life of the fireman for the possibility the child will live. What if the fireman has a family of his own he should be supporting, and the child is a suicidal teen running into the fire deliberately? What if this fireman is the second man trying to save the teen, the first having died... how many firemen do you allow to run in as the chief before you call your men out?

The point is its not as simplistic as 'we've given so much, we have to give more' and its not as sure as 'we just need to give another thousand lives and this will work' or even clearly 'we have to do this, because they can't do it themselves'.

Sean

[trish]

how many firemen do you allow to run in as the chief before you call your men out?

Apparently the lower bound on that answer exceeds 4180, the current number of U.S. soldiers killed in the Iraq debacle so far.

Often being stuck in one place on the ground is the absolute worst place to be when attempting to gain an overall perspective on the effectiveness of a countrywide military/political strategy. Soldiers in Iraq will tell you many different stories (both heart warming and horrifying) and they will express just as wide a variety of opinions on the justification and success of the war (or lack thereof) as the American public at large. Both (soldiers in Iraq and the American public) are in fact largely negative on the war and wish to see it end soon.

[yodajazz]

I find the soldiers video somewhat disturbing.

Basically he's saying that the reason you do something is irrelevant as long as the end result is positive. That's pretty scary as a political philosophy, as it allows you to justify the start of any action, and as long as you can keep it going you don't have to justify it, as you haven't reached the end.

Similar is the idea that sacrifices made justify unending further sacrifice. Do you save a fireman when he's about to save a child, well yes, if he child is going to die anyway, or if you are simply trading the life of the fireman for the possibility the child will live. What if the fireman has a family of his own he should be supporting, and the child is a suicidal teen running into the fire deliberately? What if this fireman is the second man trying to save the teen, the first having died... how many firemen do you allow to run in as the chief before you call your men out?

The point is its not as simplistic as 'we've given so much, we have to give more' and its not as sure as 'we just need to give another thousand lives and this will work' or even clearly 'we have to do this, because they can't do it themselves'.

Sean

With due respect to the soldier in the video, one does have to look at the good, in order to justify risking and sacrificing ones life. But any action, especially some as big as waging war, has to be looked at in a larger picture to weigh the benefits vs. the costs. This analysis would include the US, the world, the region, and Iraq itself. The most reliable and conservative source puts the Iraqi civilian death toll at over 90,000. Compare that with the 20,000 number that occurred when Saddam attacked the Kurds around 1988. Let’s look at the fact that Saddam was the biggest regional challenge to Iran. Now Iran is next door to the country where those people who are ethnically similar are in power. And we all know that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, so the chief benefit to the US was access to Iraq’s oil reserves, reported to be the second largest in the world.

The soldier in the video is correct, in the fact that since we removed such things as police protection there, our help is needed to give people there the basic freedom of safety, in a nation charged with ethnic tensions. Some of these people have been feuding since the death of the Prophet in the 7th Century, over his successors. So it goes back to what are the benefits vs the costs?

[yodajazz]

how many firemen do you allow to run in as the chief before you call your men out?

Apparently the lower bound on that answer exceeds 4180, the current number of U.S. soldiers killed in the Iraq debacle so far.

Often being stuck in one place on the ground is the absolute worst place to be when attempting to gain an overall perspective on the effectiveness of a countrywide military/political strategy. Soldiers in Iraq will tell you many different stories (both heart warming and horrifying) and they will express just as wide a variety of opinions on the justification and success of the war (or lack thereof) as the American public at large. Both (soldiers in Iraq and the American public) are in fact largely negative on the war and wish to see it end soon.

I heard that more US Service men contubuted to Obama's campaign than McCain's.

[Quinn]

What I want to know is where the hell are all of the beauty pagent pictures of her. She supposedly won some minor pagent some years back.

I don't believe this is a pageant shot, but this is Palin from back in the day:

She actually looks better now.

-Quinn