Joe Biden a DRAFT DODGER!

[Solitary Brother]

5 deferments for that fucker same as cheney!
Im so sick of these cowardly pussy as politicians.
There should be a constitutional amendment to ban these gutless cowards from being president.
Its a goddam shame.

[Trogdor]

I actually like him alot more now for being a draft dodger.

I dunno who that's such a big deal, not wanting to fight against your will.

[Solitary Brother]

I actually like him alot more now for being a draft dodger.

I dunno who that's such a big deal, not wanting to fight against your will.

Draft dodgers are un american and cowards.

[EyeCumInPiece]

5 deferments for that fucker same as cheney!
Im so sick of these cowardly pussy as politicians.
There should be a constitutional amendment to ban these gutless cowards from being president.
Its a goddam shame.

yea becuz your so fucking brave right? how many tours of duty hav u done in Iraq?

yea, thats what i thought.

Since when do you have to go to war 2 be a politician? Hitler ran for office on that war hero shit, his people bought it, and look what happened to Germany. Stop drinkin that kool-aid holmes.

[Cuchulain]

Draft dodgers are un american and cowards.

So the brave, American thing to do is blindly follow your leader of the moment, right or wrong. Go kill or be killed by people who do not threaten you or your country just because you're told to. The Vietnam conflict was as big a joke as the occupation of Iraq, and based on the same damn lies. Gulf of Tonkin ring a bell? Of course, it made a lot of money for the military-industrial complex and was a convenient justification for our massive military expenditures, but is that a good enough reason for all those deaths? I dunno, seems the patriotic thing to do is question authority and oppose it when it's wrong. Our govt. should never put a soldier in harm's way unless it's absolutely necessary.

[Cuchulain]

"Regardless, the law at the time required all males to register with Selective Service upon reaching the age of 18-years. I complied in June of 1960 and I know, factually, that Joe complied in late November of the same year.

I eventually ended up in Vietnam. However, our draft board—we were under the jurisdiction of the same one—immediately rejected Joe on medical grounds. He was a serious asthmatic, a little factual tidbit that the press had also reported.

But, our intrepid forum participant dismissed this because Joe Biden went on to play sports at Archmere Academy, Joe’s high school alma mater.

Perhaps it was because of his admitted dislike for Liberals or because he’s simply stupid, he inferred that Joe lied about his condition just to avoid the draft and going to Vietnam.

I suspect that this individual’s understanding of how the “draft” worked was non-existent, most probably because he had not yet been born at the time Joe and I registered.

First, it never occurred to him that before a draft board legitimately rejected anyone for medical reasons, at least two independent board-certified physicians had to verify the conditions.

Second, he seems not to have any understanding of the difference between various medical conditions that would disqualify an individual from military service and the ones that would disqualify an individual from participating in high school sports.

Chronic asthma is a serious condition. But with adequate precautions in place, sufferers CAN play high school sports. However, it would be virtually impossible to put those same precautions in place under military conditions.

I tell you this as a combat veteran of numerous night patrols throughout that jungle hellhole. The last thing I would have needed was an asthmatic going into a loud, convulsive, oxygen-deprived wheeze.

We’d have had a better chance of survival had we simply fired a flare into the night sky and yelled, “Yoo-hoo! Here we are… over here behind this tree.”

The bottom line is that Joe’s condition was legitimate and severe enough to rule out military service. He was not the only one rejected and he was not a draft dodger." http://thetruefacts.wordpress.com/

[Legend]

Come on SB like a queen such as you would be first in line to get drafted.

[johnb]

Why don't we all relax. Juno's parents are a hearbeat away from being the next president of the United States. Cool

[Realgirls4me]

5 deferments for that fucker same as cheney!
Im so sick of these cowardly pussy as politicians.
There should be a constitutional amendment to ban these gutless cowards from being president.
Its a goddam shame.

Well, the biggest difference twixt the two right off the bat is that Biden isn't the warmonger Cheney is. Cheney was part of the inner circle of chickenhawks that orchestrated this mess in Iraq. There's the difference. Hey, maybe those who live by the sword, should at least know what one looks like. Ya think?

[EyeCumInPiece]

Its funny how kids who grew up in an era where the draft never occured are so quick to call someone a draft-dodging coward. Meanwhile, the only wars they've fought themselves are with trannies and crossdressers in online forumes. Solitary, your a fucking lame man. You got a case, like George Bush, of Foot in mouth disease.

[Fox]

I seriously thought about enlisting right out of high school (graduated '02) which was just before the "war." I'm so glad I didn't risk my life under false pretenses. I'd have done the same if possible if I were 18+ during Vietnam.

Oh, and Juno's Dad for President 2016!

[Justawannabe]

My dad ended up not serving... due to flat feet, being in college and just getting married... one other thing... can't remember.

That didn't make him a dodger, or a coward. He didn't believe in the war, but he didn't try to avoid service in any way that was taking advantage of the influence of others either.

The others covered a lot it...

Sean

[Trogdor]

I seriously thought about enlisting right out of high school (graduated '02) which was just before the "war." I'm so glad I didn't risk my life under false pretenses. I'd have done the same if possible if I were 18+ during Vietnam.!

Be glad you did not, you'd have probably come home in a pinewood overcoat. I say that if politicans are gonna start wars, they outta do what the kings of long ago did and actually suit up and lead the men into battle personally, and be just as ready to die as his men are.

Plus look at the Vietnam vets who are either living in a dumpster or are complete basket cases. Soldiers fight and die, but the government leaves them to rot after the war's done.

And as for Iraq, to Quote Colonial Troutman from Rambo III,

We've had our Vietman already.

The government needs to realize it can NOT take the role of GI JOE without one half of the world wanting to push their big, red buttons, and the other half selling the first half the equipment that is operated by said big, red buttons.

[Nassau]

Draft dodgers are un american and cowards.[/quote]

no way
are you crazy!? if u was 2 get drafted now would u go and fight?
I think not
Anyway if I was to get drafted right now I would dodge it 2 cuz there is a long of shit I never did.....but believe me if there was a ww2 scenario I would fight no question

[hippifried]

My lottery number was 225. We were told that the draft probably wouldn't go over 180. If memory serves, I think they got close to 160. That was the second lottery in 1971. The first only covered the last half of 1970. Once the lottery system was implemented, there weren't any more deferments.

[yodajazz]

5 deferments for that fucker same as cheney!
Im so sick of these cowardly pussy as politicians.
There should be a constitutional amendment to ban these gutless cowards from being president.
Its a goddam shame.

Well, the biggest difference twixt the two right off the bat is that Biden isn't the warmonger Cheney is. Cheney was part of the inner circle of chickenhawks that orchestrated this mess in Iraq. There's the difference. Hey, maybe those who live by the sword, should at least know what one looks like. Ya think?

At the time I’m familiar with, anyone in college could get a deferment as long as they were in college for up to four years. There were a lot of complaints about that policy, but it encouraged a lot of people to stay in school. I think the rationale was a good one. That is; a person getting a college degree is also good for the larger society. Some did get their degree, but still had to go in the service. They then had the option of going into officer training, or perhaps they could get into a military job which was not related to direct combat.

There is no shame in getting a deferment if, you are entitled to it legally. Even though Dick Cheney and Joe Biden, may have had the same amount of deferments I draw a big distinction between the two. That is because Dick Cheney had a hand in formulating plans, which were carried out to send people into combat. It is my understanding that he was one of the main people asking intelligence agencies to find evidence of WMD’s, in order to justify his case to go to war. As a key member of an organization called PNAC, Cheney advocated using US military power to attack Iraq in 1998. Then key members of this group were given high positions in the Bush Administration, including Donald Rumsfield as the Secretary of Defense, “Scooter” Libby, and Paul Wolfowitz.

Joe Biden probably voted to authorize force, but the Bush administration basically positioned themselves to make people look bad for not supporting the war effort. So Dick Cheney, with no direct combat experience was essential in promoting war as a tool to ensure US “world dominance”. Not so with Joe Biden.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

Thanks Cuchulain for explaining things. And I also wrote this befroe seeing Realgirl4me's post.

[Solitary Brother]

Biden is a sissy.
He is a coward and not worthy of being VP.
I am a veteran of the first Gulf War and have my medals to prove it.
I got orders while I was stateside several months BEFORE the first war started and could have gotten out of it but did not.
I arrived in the middle east 3 DAYS after the war had started and the alert sirens were going off on my base as we landed.
I wore chem gear for the first 6 weeks I was there.
So.
I can talk because I am not a coward like these politicians.
If you wont fight for your country you dont belong here.


Have a nice day.

[trish]

You can speak to your own reasons for your own service, but you are in absolutely no position to speak about Biden's, MaCain's or anyone else's motivations. You are simply a slanderer with nothing to offer as evidence for your assertions but a partisan desire to sully an opponent's good name.

[Cuchulain]

Biden is a sissy.
He is a coward
Because he had asthma?


If you wont fight for your country you dont belong here.
Please explain how sending US troops to prop up a brutal dictator (Premier Diem) against the will of his own people, who declared independence in 1945, and even quoted the American Declaration of Independence when they did so, means that American troops were fighting for our country?

[InHouston]

I watched a documentary on CNN about Joe Biden. I have to say that I have a lot of respect for the man for how he endured personal and medical hardships throughout his life. However, I do not agree with his or Obama's vision for America. When Biden said "It's time to be patriotic. It's time to step up and become part of the deal", in other words time for Americans to get taxed to hell to pay for this government's wasteful spending habits, in my mind I think "This government gets enough money from us. Pay for it yourselves (congress)."

[trish]

As one of the Keating five, McCain took bribes to deregulate the savings and loan industry. It subsequently collapsed because of Keating’s and McCain’s interference. (Later McCain sought to launder his name by co-sponsoring campaign reform legislation which passed but never worked). Throughout his political career McCain fought the regulation of banks tooth and nail. He backed everyone of Bush’s deregulation policies during the last eight years. You think this government “gets enough money from us?” Well not nearly enough to fix the problem McBush got us into now. Thanks to republican policies we’re going to see either higher taxes or a plummeting dollar, probably both: either way its money out of the pockets of hard working Americans. Fuck McCain.

[hippifried]

Fuck McCain.
:shock: Oh... Trolling for wrinkly old white guys? I could be lobbied into acting as surrogate. :actionsmiley

[trish]

I was looking for wrinkly old white guys who graduated at the bottom of their class. Do you still qualify? 8)

[hippifried]

I was looking for wrinkly old white guys who graduated at the bottom of their class. Do you still qualify? 8)
Oh hell, I never went to class. Didn't graduate at all. Butt "bottom" isn't a problem. I can out-flunk that joker easy! :D

[goldensamba]

Biden is a sissy.
He is a coward and not worthy of being VP.
I am a veteran of the first Gulf War and have my medals to prove it.
I got orders while I was stateside several months BEFORE the first war started and could have gotten out of it but did not.
I arrived in the middle east 3 DAYS after the war had started and the alert sirens were going off on my base as we landed.
I wore chem gear for the first 6 weeks I was there.
So.
I can talk because I am not a coward like these politicians.
If you wont fight for your country you dont belong here.


Have a nice day.

Your story is bullshit because I was there at the time. As a matter of fact I was one of the first of the American's on the scene onboard the USS England along with HMS Gloucester from England. I know exactly who was there, when they got there and all the conditions they had to deal with as I was part of the AAW planning and set up the air defense with the Saudi Air force. I can tell you right now you did not wear chem gear for six weeks nor did you arrive 3 days after the war started. Guess again liar.