What the Hell happened 2 Craigslist?

[Nassau]

I remember not 2 long ago that craigslist t4m section(In chicago) was a good
way 2 have sum nsa fun or go out on a date with a decent lookin tgirl but now it's nothing but phonies and Crossdresser on their and the erotic services
hahaha don't bother cuz most are fake and if you do see a real one you better hurry up and write the name/Number down because in a minute someone will flag it what the hell happened?

[Celeste]

I have no idea. But I do know that, that same situation is happening in alot of cities :shrug

[foxtonoc]

Unfortunately, CL has been targeted by a group of people who have decided to set up autoflagging bots. There has been some discussion that this is being done by moralists that are out to "clean up" CL. I suspect this is true given the degree to which gay and TS ads are being hammered when compared to other erotic service ads.

The problem is that not many users are probably going to complain very loudly to CL saying, "hey, whats up with the fact that my favorite transsexual escort is being flagged - can you fix it?"

I keep hoping that the problem will rectify itself and some people have reported that some cities and states which suffered from the flagging issue have seen some recovery. However, in my area CL is essentially empty for most of the erotic services...

-Fox

[tsntx]

same as austin

only ONE post up right now

ONE


wtf

[ARMANIXXX]

lol

Eat your hearts out cause Bay Area CL is crackin.......both free section AND the pay section.


*gloating turned off now*


;)

[tsntx]

lol the casual ts section here gets yanked instantly b4 it even makes it to the actual t4m page


on a side note about me and CL

if you see "me" and "my name" in ur local city

FLAG IT plz

its not me

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

This was being done by escort agencies in most big cities. They actually emailed me back when I lived back east and was doing bdsm fulltime. They offered to handle any online advertising for me for a fee/percentage % per client. So now, if you're not with them, they flag you cos they don't get/make money of you. And in turn, they push the girls who's signed up with them.

Nothing is going to change, If no one let CL know about it. It's an ongoing practice on it's 3-4th year now (both casuals and erotic sections).

~Kisses.

HTG

[Celeste]

OMG WTF, like people have nothing better to do with their time!?! :screwy I know a few girls who advertise, that have emailed CL and asked whats going on, with no response :?:

[slinky]

I think some of what's being put forth in this thread is disingenuous. As opposed to "bots" being set up, or agencies strong arming girls, a lot of this is "TS on TS crime". Hell, less than a week ago we had a thread on here asking to "flag EVERY TS post" in a certain city, and when someone asked why, they were told to "but out". And in HTG's case, there was a campaign - not by agencies, but by regular posters - against her ads (I saw the CL groups were it was being talked about) because she refused to post in the ES section, insisted on posting in CE, and when people told her to post in ES rather than CE, she got belligerent about it (all this is probably still up on some CL forum).

If you walk around your home sticking mines in the ground, you live in a minefield. In the case of CL, it's like living in a gang neighborhood - no one wants to be around during a blood feud.

[PSL4u]

Its the same in Florida as well. Even Erosguide seems to be filled with the same girls from years ago and crossdressers.

[PSL4u]

Oh and BTW Celeste you are very attractive :)

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

I think some of what's being put forth in this thread is disingenuous. As opposed to "bots" being set up, or agencies strong arming girls, a lot of this is "TS on TS crime". Hell, less than a week ago we had a thread on here asking to "flag EVERY TS post" in a certain city, and when someone asked why, they were told to "but out". And in HTG's case, there was a campaign - not by agencies, but by regular posters - against her ads (I saw the CL groups were it was being talked about) because she refused to post in the ES section, insisted on posting in CE, and when people told her to post in ES rather than CE, she got belligerent about it (all this is probably still up on some CL forum).

If you walk around your home sticking mines in the ground, you live in a minefield. In the case of CL, it's like living in a gang neighborhood - no one wants to be around during a blood feud.

Um that was around the time I was new on CL & completely besides the point (J Paris used to post on W4M on there at that time and wasn't made a big of a deal). But anyways, what I was talking about is that someone or an agency/ies contacts the girls and ask to handle their online Ads for profit. And if you don't sign up for them (I didn't) they in turn flag you. That like started 3-4 years back in NYC. Now its taken all CL major cities.

~Kisses.

HTG

[slinky]

Well, even though I wouldn't call NY CL a panacea for indy TS girls, it's very far from "if a girl doesn't use an agency her ads all get flagged". It is fairly far from that. So I'm still not sure the premise holds.

I think a MUCH bigger factor is that probably greater than 50% of girls had guys posting their ads for them (tricks, pimps, husbands, etc.) and now that you need a confirmed account to post on ES, a lot of guys who used to do it won't anymore.

I'm curious if anyone could point out to me the CL TS ads in NY which are posted by these "agencies" (aside from the ultra obvious one's who post copies of the girl's Screw or VV ads), because of the girls who I know who are posting on CL in NY, none of them are using these "agencies".

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Honestly, there is "something" going on behind the scenes. I'm surprised it still is ON GOING and now has spread to other cities. If I find that email (for the skeptics) I gotten dated 2006 or something I will do a snap shot of it directly from my inbox (I doubt though that It's still there). But I'll look for it (I don't got a habit of making stuffs up).

~Kisses.

HTG

[SarahG]

Hell, less than a week ago we had a thread on here asking to "flag EVERY TS post" in a certain city, and when someone asked why, they were told to "but out".

That was actually the first thing to come to my mind when I was reading this thread. We'd be kidding ourselves if we thought girls didn't flag other girls.


Honestly, there is "something" going on behind the scenes. I'm surprised it still is ON GOING and now has spread to other cities. If I find that email I gotten dated 2006 or something I will do a snap shot of it directly from my inbox (I doubt though that It's still there). But I'll look for it.

~Kisses.

HTG

Given this,

These "agencies" must be somehow connected with each other IF ads placed by one "agency" are avoided (not flagged) by the others.

It would stand to reason that these types of extortionist practices would want to immediately flag anyone who goes to a competing "agency."- so if there was no agreement between them they'd be constantly flagging each others' girls.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Either they are connected in some ways or because it's online and more of a telecommuting nature, it could just be run by one.

Not exactly the email I gotten but this is an example email/letter being sent out to the girls:


Meet clients that can afford the best.

We offer a fantastic opportunity:
Do you have a positive attitude and enjoy meeting new people? Would you like to take charge of your life and earn a great living at the same time? Would you like to live a life that affords you things you dream of having? Do you like shopping for new clothes, or perhaps a new car? How about that nice new condo? The opportunity is yours, if you've got what it takes to be the next DOLL.

DC’s newest and most exciting company in the Escort business is requiring ladies that posses a unique combination of ambition, beauty, charisma, charm, sensuality and brains to become the next DOLL! Being a DOLL offers you advantages you just won't find in your average type of employment.

If you already are an escort or an exotic dancer but not getting enough business from your present company, we would love to hear from you. Simply complete our employment form, we may be just what you've been looking for!

If you are new to the world of escorting and want to work with a professional agency, you’ll soon discover that we are the best company to work with. We offer GFE, non-GFE, open-minded, exotic dancer and companionship services. You choose the services that you feel comfortable with.

We will be more than happy to answer your questions. We want you to be totally comfortable. We invite you to a confidential meeting where we will answer all of your questions and we will have a few of our own for you. You never know...maybe YOU've got what it takes to be the next DOLL!

Some of the perks of being a DOLL at Dolls of DC:

Earn up to $3000+ per week
Female owned and operated
Choose your own hours
Entertain the most upscale of clientele
Safety and security is our priority
Staff and management support - we care!
We do not operate 24/7, nor do we expect you to
Your comfort level is paramount!
Confidentiality is guaranteed
APPLY NOW

Wherein they do all the work and booking for you. The client pays the escort direct but the escorts remit agency fee's via electronic transaction (monthly retainers fee of some sort). The Agency then makes sure your post is at least on the 1st top 10 of listings (normally in BOLD prints) and will constantly bump it to generate calls and business for you.

Here's one proof that some cl are indeed predominantly run by an agency, like the bust in Denver this year:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/feb/07/pricey-escort-service-probed/?printer=1/

I mean, it's not too impossible that agencies now runs and dominates cl posting and pretending to be the girls when corresponding with you. I once heard (when I lived back east), that multiple girls are known to even share one room to meet/use for their clients.

~Kisses.

HTG

[slinky]

I'm sorry, HTG, but neither of those comes close to proving your point. The first is just a standard agency solicitation email. And in the article, all that is said is:

"The police action and shutdown of Denver Players and Sugar has sent some of the escorts scurrying elsewhere for business.

Two advertised on Craigslist until their post was removed.

On a message board frequented by escorts and their customers, some potential clients were wary of making contact due to the police involvement. When one inquired whether the Craigslist posters really were legitimate Denver Players escorts, they replied:

"It really is us! We had a problem getting on escort boards so we used CL. It wasn't the best of idea's [sic] though ... CL is scary!" "

[slinky]

It should also be noted that there are a number of scripts which are commercially available to make multiple, automated posts on CL (I've used several of them). but I'm not aware of any scripts which have been written to automatically flag posts (if someone knows of one, I'd be keen to see it). But it would have to be a pretty "smart" script to know exactly which posts to flag. So, odds are that flagging would have to be done by hand. The amount of work necessary to do so just doesn't justify the return, and it's not how these guys tend to operate. They don't get rid of the competition by having their ads removed. They get rid of the competition by posting so many ads that the competition's ads end up on page 4.

There's 2 general groups which go on flagging sprees: escorts/pimps who have beef with a specific girl or group of girls, and tricks or groups of tricks which have some sort of beef. But the bottom line is that it's usually obsessive compulsive people who have little value for their own time or a very specific axe to grind.

Think about it: does any one of these groups think they can corner a large percentage of market share in any big city? And in any big city you've got a number of posting services. If services decided that they were going to flag anyone who wasn't theirs, as pointed out already by Peggy, you'd end up with each of the "agencies" spending most of their days flagging the posts of other agencies.

[foxtonoc]

Danny - I'm pretty convinced that we've got something other than escort on escort flagging.

In my area the CL boards are nearly empty - down from hundreds of posts per day. In addition, for several months one could circumvent the flagging by changing categorization and/or leaving out specific keywords. This would work for a couple of days or weeks and then require changes. However there are only so many ways around. Second, the flagging activity is clearly targeted at what appear to be specific groups suggesting that it's not just a carpet bomb.

While it may not be an automated script, it's clearly targeted and very effective...

Fox

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Look Danny, I dunno if it's age that has you always acting like a bitch on the rag. I don't need to prove anything to you or to anyone. I was just sharing/telling people what I have experienced in the past as far as agencies trying to recruit me to sign up for them back when I lived back east. A solicitation email which is aimed at the girls so they go sign up for such and such escorting agency nonetheless. No difference to me!

This isn't a pissing contest where there is a prize to be won. I hardly care what you think or think you are right in the least bit. But at least don't act like a cunt and consider that what I am saying is indeed possible. That's all. It is after all MY experiences not yours! Get the f off my hair already. Everytime you see me post you're always there following me and counter posting my every word. :roll: And what did I do to you?!? NOTHING as far as I know.

~Kisses.

HTG

[OEMEnemyNum1]

Maybe we should start another craiglist type organization.

[slinky]

HTG, I sorry that when you post bullshit I blow it up. I'll make you a deal, you stop spouting nonsense, and I'll stop calling you on it.

[slinky]

You can call me a fag or pull some other personal shit now like you always do.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

HTG, I sorry that when you post bullshit I blow it up. I'll make you a deal, you stop spouting nonsense, and I'll stop calling you on it.

How are you going to dispute my experiences? That is the faggiest thing I've ever heard! :roll:

I offered a theory..which could be true and also could be false! Stop trying to act like a smartypants because in all honesty, that does not prove anything but showing you are just but an ASSHOLE!

~Kisses.

HTG

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

You can call me a fag or pull some other personal shit now like you always do.

I don't need to, you're doing a good job acting like ONE!

~Kisses.

HTG

[slinky]

As usual HTG, rather than defending what you're saying with anything concrete, you do one of three things:

1) get personal
2) say something along the lines of "it's only your opinion"
3) post something which you claim supports your "facts", but doesn't

(in this case, it's been all 3)

I love the internet. Where else can I post 2 plus 2 equals 4, someone else posts 2 plus 2 equals 17, and then we're supposed to "agree to disagree" because 2 plus 2 being 4 is just an opinion.

[slinky]

OK, I'll bite on this even though it's a waste of time*. Your thesis is that "your experience" is that these agencies write to girls and ask them to post for them, and if they turn them down, they flag their ads. So, you're saying that an agency wrote to you, you told them no, and you have proof that then they flagged your ads? Because if that's not exactly what happened, then it's not your experience, it's something you made up.

* often attributed to Robert Heinlein: Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig."

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

As usual HTG, rather than defending what you're saying with anything concrete, you do one of three things:

1) get personal
2) say something along the lines of "it's only your opinion"
3) post something which you claim supports your "facts", but doesn't

(in this case, it's been all 3)

I love the internet. Where else can I post 2 plus 2 equals 4, someone else posts 2 plus 2 equals 17, and then we're supposed to "agree to disagree" because 2 plus 2 being 4 is just an opinion.

You're not reading. I said, i offered a theory based on my personal experiences..which you call BS! Fine. I'm not on here to argue. It's a board to discuss things and this thread was made and we in turn started making sense as to why the flagging on cl has become rampant on all major cities. Proving to me or anyone else on the board that you know so much just because you hang out with a few girls that escorts doesn't prove anything regardless if you're pushing 50. It will always be the girls voice that will weigh in better since they..or we rather have lived it.

And getting personal? How? by calling you acting like a fag? Sweetie, maybe your last Lay was weeks ago hence this super twat tantrums your throwing at me. But look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself what are you turning yourself into? I mean really, I'm pretty sure I'm not thee only one who's noticed that you among many poster is evidently scarred and bitter about something! I only ask that you don't take your andropausal frustrations out on me.

~Kisses.

HTG

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

And of course, you'll bite because..being a loser growing up and making up for lost time is what THIS is really about! :roll:

Fine! You are a lot OLDER therefore : WISER..I'll give you that!

But please, stop acting like a queen pms-ing.

Now talk to yourself!

~Kisses.

HTG

[slinky]

back to 1).

that's why it's 1)

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

:roll: Funny how some trany chasing guy wants to be the beacon of truth or thee official validator of a girls experience. If you think girls on 'mones are quite messed up..well this is the guys equivalent!

~Kisses.

HTG

[slinky]

Funny how some guy who's been in the escort business for 30 years, has actually used the software on CL and knows personally the two biggest services in NYC who post for girls on CL thinks he knows more than someone who never answers with facts, just calls names.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

BINGO! Is this why you've gotten defensive? Well then, YOU might be the one or in cahoots with the ones sending these girls those solicitation emails for profit. Do you really think, I would have kept old correspondence dating back 2006 in my inbox? Maybe you do but I don't! :roll:

~Kisses.

HTG

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

...

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Go right ahead and make my day! :roll:

HTG

[BrendaQG]

What hapend was so much flaggin of ads that no one could do anything really. Your ad is up for 1.5 sec before it is flagged and removed. I used to think it was other girls just trying to get legg up on the competition. But no. I really do think that it bots put in place either by CL or others targeting T4M and Gay ads.

[ARMANIXXX]

Honestly,

I really don't know what ya'll are talkin about




http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/cas/?query=t4m <-----Free


http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/ers/?query=t4m <----- pay










:wink:

[Shining Star]

CL is under allot of pressue to clean up it's act, if for nothing else because it is fast gaining a reputation for crime. From prossing, to selling of stolen goods, to persons being lured out and beated and or killed, CL cannot afford for it's reputation to be dragged into the mud so much that legitimate advertisers flee in droves.

Media reports say there are some efforts by residents of certian areas to flag or otherwise alert CL or LE to adverts for prossing and or other suspected criminal behaviour. Apparently allot of small towns and even hotels are getting fed up with hordes of prossies descending upon them like a plague of locusts (mainly from out of town). Hotels and their workers complain they can spot "sex workers" and customers also complain.

It also wouldn't surprise me if CL, or anyone else is paying a group of persons to sit around to scan an flag adverts. Probably wouldn't have to pay that much per hour, and it is pretty easy work.

[Baron Of Hell]

I just checked craiglist to see what you guys are talking about. Took me awhile to find t4m. There were only a few posts.

So when a post is flagged that is telling the mod that something bad is going on. The post isn't actually removed until a mod looks at it and says it bad right?

If that is true CL itself is probably doing the flagging. Given how CL came down on the guy that made a search egine for different craiglists I doubt they would put up for people selling sexual services on the site. I didn't see anyone selling sexual services so it doesn't seem to be limited to t4m.

This is almost surely an attempt to take control of their site.

[ARMANIXXX]

I just checked craiglist to see what you guys are talking about. Took me awhile to find t4m. There were only a few posts.

So when a post is flagged that is telling the mod that something bad is going on. The post isn't actually removed until a mod looks at it and says it bad right?

If that is true CL itself is probably doing the flagging. Given how CL came down on the guy that made a search egine for different craiglists I doubt they would put up for people selling sexual services on the site. I didn't see anyone selling sexual services so it doesn't seem to be limited to t4m.

This is almost surely an attempt to take control of their site.


What do you mean you didn't see anyone selling sex services?
You can't be that wet behind the ears, I hope.


http://seattle.craigslist.org/search/ers/?query=t4m

[slinky]

I just checked craiglist to see what you guys are talking about. Took me awhile to find t4m. There were only a few posts.

So when a post is flagged that is telling the mod that something bad is going on. The post isn't actually removed until a mod looks at it and says it bad right?

If that is true CL itself is probably doing the flagging. Given how CL came down on the guy that made a search egine for different craiglists I doubt they would put up for people selling sexual services on the site. I didn't see anyone selling sexual services so it doesn't seem to be limited to t4m.

This is almost surely an attempt to take control of their site.

OMFG

[slinky]

CL is under allot of pressue to clean up it's act, if for nothing else because it is fast gaining a reputation for crime. From prossing, to selling of stolen goods, to persons being lured out and beated and or killed, CL cannot afford for it's reputation to be dragged into the mud so much that legitimate advertisers flee in droves.

Media reports say there are some efforts by residents of certian areas to flag or otherwise alert CL or LE to adverts for prossing and or other suspected criminal behaviour. Apparently allot of small towns and even hotels are getting fed up with hordes of prossies descending upon them like a plague of locusts (mainly from out of town). Hotels and their workers complain they can spot "sex workers" and customers also complain.

It also wouldn't surprise me if CL, or anyone else is paying a group of persons to sit around to scan an flag adverts. Probably wouldn't have to pay that much per hour, and it is pretty easy work.

Cl is certainly under pressure and you can see some of the stuff they are doing. I don't know if this is in every city, but in NY you now have to have a confirmed account to post in Erotic Services.

[slinky]

and yes, it has been documented that "citizens groups" have gone on flagging campaigns.

[Celeste]

Has anyone else tried to post a ad in the ES section, and got a message saying "your account has been placed on hold"? WTF :censor

[LAGent4ts]

I sometimes post for a few girls and have rec'd this msg. I think it has something to do with # of posts in a specified amount of time from the same IP address. Other than that I have no clue

[slinky]

Has anyone else tried to post a ad in the ES section, and got a message saying "your account has been placed on hold"? WTF :censor

I know lots of people who that has happened to. And they have all said it's not temporary. I think it has to do with how many posts you make which get flagged, but I'm not sure. It may be when you make posts which aren't merely flagged, but someone writes to CL support about.

What I've told everyone is to pay the $20 for a new account. (i.e. go buy a prepaid celly and use the number). You can probably also find some websites which offer phone hosting 9or whatever you call it) cheap or free.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

We can all stop guessing now. Someone said, this is the site responsible for flagging Ads on numerous CL sites. Facts!

http://www.craigsflagger.com/

http://whois.domaintools.com/craigsflagger.com

~Kisses.

HTG

[slinky]

I think a simple look at this page proves that theory wrong:

http://www.craigsflagger.com/flagged.php

(this is the last 100 posts flagged by this site)

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

So maybe not the sole culprit of the flagging like someone told me (who sent that link). While I agree, 9 erotic ads in 3 days seems conservative, but that plus individuals (or any escort agent/agencies) who's got nothing better than to flag still does add up. A theory doesn't have to result in only one, it is defined as an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances. Not totally off or wrong, imo.

So far, we've all speculated on why there is a rampant flagging of Ads on CL based on the following facts/theories:

a. Tgirl on tgirl flagging.
b. Moralist/activist groups formed, who are anti-prostitution.
c. Escort agencies/pimps/escort's boyfriends/neighbors/fuckbuddies becoming greedy and trying to monopolize the business for certain girls and in turn get their commission.
d. CL has now set up auto bots.

Again, none of these theories are wrong. It's quite possible it's a combination of all 4 (maybe more factors unmentioned).

Unlike someone, here protesting and telling me I'm indisingenuous/insincere right off the bat (when not once have I ever said his assumption was wrong). Trying to prove something and feed his ego. I on the other hand is not being too cynical and admitting the fact that, it just might be a combination of different factors. This isn't about being who's right and wrong. This is about gathering facts which might support the OP's thread.

~Kisses.

HTG

[slinky]

While I agree, 9 erotic ads in 3 days seems conservative,

you realize that 3 ads a day is like 1 in 5000 ads, right?

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Way to think and live in a box..why are you so fixated with only one fact? :roll:

I think you have ADHD!

~HTG

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

YOU said:


this is "TS on TS crime".

Everyone already knows this.


I think a MUCH bigger factor is that probably greater than 50% of girls had guys posting their ads for them (tricks, pimps, husbands, etc.).

So how are pimps any different from an escort agency? When both get their commission from the girls per trick or per month. The tricks get discounted rates maybe even a trade for doing these girls a favor and Husbands gets love and sex for free. All three have their own vested interest just like an agency. Which I was theorizing. An agency I was referring to doesn't have to be the size of Elite or Ford modeling agency. Has it ever occurred to you that some escort agencies operate out of a garage or a studio or a 1 bedroom walk up? I think your problem is you've taken the word agency way too literal. And you have problems accepting that others theories may be just as acceptable as yours.

Mind you, none of what you've said I've ever disputed. You on the other hand, go about calling bs on me, when I shared that I gotten an email of solicitation awhile back. This did NOT happen to you (it's a fact) so why don't you just shut your piehole? And stop being a cantankerous, over the hill, pudgy, andropausal, munchkin, comb over Woody Allan look a like faggot that you are! Lmao :lol:

~HTG

[slinky]

This did NOT happen to you (it's a fact) so why don't you just shut your piehole? And stop being a cantankerous, over the hill, pudgy, andropausal, munchkin, comb over Woody Allan look a like faggot that you are! Lmao :lol:

~HTG

The simple fact is it didn't happen to you, either*. And if you keep up with the personal attacks, you'll not only get them back, but I'll post the truth about what really happened which you're very conveniently covering up because it doesn't paint you in the kindest light.


You're obfuscating that your claim was that posting agencies were extorting money from girls by demanding that they use them or get flagged. What you posted as proof was nothing of the sort, all it was was a simple, standard solicitation letter from an agency.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

I'm sorry you've gotten to the point in your life where you are a bitter, manfaced, drag-queen-wanna-be-TS low rent ho who can't really make ends meet and moves from one second rate neighborhood in one city to another third rate neighborhood in another, running from your failures and chasing after HA mods harassing them with begging and whining texts . But stop putting your misery and failure on me. I don't put these stupid concepts in your mouth, you come up with these scatterbrained conspiracy theories all on your own, and you leave out pertinent facts; like trying to play off your being flagged off CL in NY because of some vast agency blackmail scheme instead of the truth which is that you pissed off so many guys by Ho posting in Casual Encounters and then getting bitchy at guys who called you on it that a bunch - a whole bunch - of pissed off guys got together and obliterated your saggy ass off of CL to the point where you couldn't make coin in NY anymore and ran with your tail between your legs to someplace where people didn't know how sorry your shit was. Normally I wouldn't blow someone's shit up like this, and I've held back while you've made post after derogatory post about me personally, but I've had quite enough of your personal attacks. And if you think you're gonna retaliate, I've got a LOT more personal shit than this that I still held back on, so why don't you check yourself with the bullshit namecalling, bitch.


As I've expected, the Jewish mother is still talking. :roll: lol

This is so tiring. Going back and forth with an escort maggot faggot is fruitless!

He is getting a hissy fit because his efforts to gain notoriety and respect at a transexual board is shattered. It's emasculating i suppose. And frankly, without his money (the only redeeming value he has going for himself revenues out of pimping gg escorts), no girl or guy would even hang out and party with him! How pathetic? (True)

lol I have NEVER harassed any HA mod by sending them never ending pm's or text messages. Get your facts straight Fag!

Now you threatening to black mail me to shut up? Hmm..Wow, I'm scared. What happened to me way back on the CL boards back east isn't anyone's business. And is completely irrelevant to the OP's thread as far as I'm concern.

But if you were that desperate to find some dirt on me, Go as far as searching TER for my past reviews (If you find them) because that would really give everyone an idea what type of a girl I am. Sure, like any other girl - I am cautious and picky which guy to meet. That's my perogative. Money is not an aphrodisiac where when shown to girls will give them instant desire and erections to fuck/sleep with someone as despicable as you. Sorry!

Obliterated? Pfff please, those pissy faggots back east could kiss my ass for all I care. They are pissed for being rejected, quite like you! lol (True)

Never made coins? Were you my banker? lol I saved enough money thank you very much, to be able afford to take my mom on a holiday somewhere in Asia for a weeks shopping spree, then come back here before moving out to LA and go back to school and work in health care and made a career out of it. (Again, your accusation is FALSE).

And about moving? I wasn't running away from anything or anyone. I went to LA to reunite with my family at my father's request. Otherwise, I'd still be in the east coast running into your decaying self! (False yet again) Ugh.. :roll:

And FYI: I don't even remember who you were about 2 years some ago until you've mentioned on here that you came to see my asian ts friend who was then visiting me during the holidays in 2005 in JC. I came down to get the door and was nice and cordial with you. I was even nice to you on here, but you seem to have that jeckyll and hyde type of personality - nice one minute and then a grouch the next, probably bi-polarism and you're having an episode/attack rtnow.

~HTG

[slinky]

You are the poster child for birth control.