Are MTFs treated better than FTMs?

[voy4her]

Post transition.. Is it easier for them to be accepted or blend? another thread made me wonder about this so i thought id ask, although in my experience generally noone on this board answers threads i make. Probably my lack of sig and boobs. Ill work on the sig, you girls work on the boobs.

[Ozniak]

eh, boobs.

[tsntx]

ill give u the benefit of the doubt and assume u meant ftm's are pass easier

otherwise... ure a moron

[BrendaQG]

The FTM's pass way easier. What testosterone does to them is like magic compared to what estrogen does for us. That passing results in much better treatment from the general public. Most of whom have no idea FTM's exist* let alone what signs and tells they have. (Whereas the tells that one is MTF are common folklore. Everyone knows to look at hands, adams apple, hieght, etc etc) The downside is that for a very long time they got no special attention to their needs in the LGBT community. They were either attached to lesbians or to transwomen and neither really fit them.

Last but not least our society, like most, is patriarchal. So on some level FTM's are seen favorably whereas MTF's are seen in a more negative light. The best way I have seen this put is that FTM's are thought of as brave as a lion, while MTF's are seen as being weak as a mouse.

(Correction most of the general public has no idea FTM's exist they all know about MTF's ooops. :oops: )

[tsmandy]

This question is complicated and doesn't have an answer. FTM's pass quicker (sometimes), but surgical options really lag far behind those that exist for MTF.

I think everyones story is unique, and race, class, familial support, education , etc... all play a huge role in how one gets treated.

[SarahG]

I think the surgery part is the biggest footnote for this thread, in theory a passing postop can live in true stealth and not have a single person in their lives know that they're trans.

Someone who is FtM on the other hand... no matter what anyone they're with sexually is going to know something is "different" because there is (AFAIK) no grs/srs for FtMs that even approaches a visually passing male genitalia. If it were there, and just unable to function (unable to get hard) that would be one thing, since some XY GBs have ED unresponsive to ED meds.

Similarly MtFs that have srs which, due to complications cannot be used for sex, can still have stealth life even with sexual partners as long as it visually passes as a normal female genitalia. In this situation, they can then always tell people they're dating that they have dispareunia or vaginismus, or bad endometrosis or any medical condition that would keep a GG from being able to have sex. I suppose if a postop is a good enough actress she could always even explain away a poorly passing genitalia as the after effects of a botched female circumcision depending on what part of their genitalia looks off.

But just because their partner would know that something is "different" that doesn't always have to translate into knowing they're trans. They can always say they are intersex, hermp, or otherwise mutated genetically (the last part wouldn't necessarily be a lie either if science finds that TS is a genetic gene, traditionally it has usually been thought of as a developmental condition however). The IS and Hermaphrodite cover would probably work fairly well for a FtM given the way T will increase the size of some XX gg's clits.

Like talking about "whether life is easier as a guy or a girl in western society" it really is a comparison of apples to oranges. It isn't so much that one way is easier than the other- they're just very different. MtFs have far easier access to HRT in most countries because of internet pharmacies, sympathetic doctors, etc... and the fact that estrogen is used by sooo many people that it is everywhere (in some countries you can get E w/out an RX slip in quickymarts next to aspirin). FtMs on the other hand... it is MUCH MUCH harder to get T than it is to get E. Doctors are less inclined to prescribe it, it is harder to get past customs, it is harder to get domestically w/out an RX slip.

When it comes to being sterilized, FtMs probably have easier access than MtFs. It seems that there is more gatekeeping in getting either srs or an orchi, than there is in getting a hysterectomy. Again it probably comes down to how often its done for nontrans patients, if people were open in talking about it to strangers I bet you'd find far more nontrans girls who have had hysterectomies than non trans guys who have had orchis. It is also much easier to find surgeons who often do hysterectomies, whereas MtF srs requires specialists which are not in every city, and if getting an orchi, MtFs have to worry about how the procedure is done or it will cause problems with srs later (if not preventing srs down the road entirely.... most srs surgeons will send you packing if the "sack" was surgically removed, and the price surcharge most have for patients who have had orchis are a result of increased odds of complications). There are srs surgeons who are known for high risk, complicated cases, but that makes availability even harder for the MtF transitioner (who isn't nonop).

[slinky]

When it comes to being sterilized, FtMs probably have easier access than MtFs. It seems that there is more gatekeeping in getting either srs or an orchi, than there is in getting a hysterectomy. Again it probably comes down to how often its done for nontrans patients, if people were open in talking about it to strangers I bet you'd find far more nontrans girls who have had hysterectomies than non trans guys who have had orchis. It is also much easier to find surgeons who often do hysterectomies, whereas MtF srs requires specialists which are not in every city, and if getting an orchi, MtFs have to worry about how the procedure is done or it will cause problems with srs later (if not preventing srs down the road entirely.... most srs surgeons will send you packing if the "sack" was surgically removed, and the price surcharge most have for patients who have had orchis are a result of increased odds of complications). There are srs surgeons who are known for high risk, complicated cases, but that makes availability even harder for the MtF transitioner (who isn't nonop).

I think part of this is because even though the congruent sterilization operations are tubal ligation and vasectomy, so many have used hysterectomy in the past for sterilization, people don't think twice about it, whereas if someone said they used orchiectomy for that, the response would be "yeah , right, what really happened?". This is much more from the misuse/overuse of hysterctomy than anything else.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I agree female to males pass a lot easier

[slinky]

But just because their partner would know that something is "different" that doesn't always have to translate into knowing they're trans. They can always say they are intersex, hermp, or otherwise mutated genetically .

There are two friends of mine who had sex with this same girl. When it was proposed to them that she was a post-op, the one who had found out ex post facto that he had done this once before said "shit, not again!", and the other one who is a medical doctor said "Hmmmmmmm...... now that I think about it, there was something unusual going on down there" and then proceeded to explain to the other doctor we were with in medical terms what he found unusual, at which point the other doctor looked at him and said something like "WTF were you thinking?".

[slinky]

But I also think a lot of it is the rarity. People have come to expect / know about MTFs a hell of a lot more, so the amount of people who would even think to spook a MTF is astronomically higher than those who would do it with a FTM. Take the current example we are talking about: If you don't ask the question posed in this thread: of the millions of people who have seen this person, how many even thought about it, but if you point it out to them, how many then say "you know..........".

[BeardedOne]

But I also think a lot of it is the rarity.

Oddly, before being immersed in HA-land, I think I was on about a 50/50 footing with M2F and F2M transpeople. Not sure how that happened, but I seemed to know as many, if not more of the 'rarer' breed.

Most seemed to be softer, more effeminate men than one might be used to encountering, very boyish, well into their late twenties. Only one screamed 'trans' and he had given birth to two children at that point and had developed the pear-shaped 'birthing hips' that were a tell-tale sign of being trans.

Generally, though, they all tend to grow beards and go completely stealth. The only people to discover their trans status are usually lovers/life partners that don't seem to care much about the genitalia or lack thereof. Strange that: People loving someone else for something besides sexual apparatus. Go figure.

:shrug

[BrendaQG]

The person who sparked this thread could be an FTM. But I am sure a cursory background check would tell that tale. If they have got it together so that they can pass that then they have got it made. Why out them?