Because I escort, am I not relationship material???

[TsVanessa69]

I had to step out of Kellys Relationship thread, but however I have something to share with the members of the forum.
I have met someone who I thought was a casual fling when I was in NYC for Allanah's birthday bash. I was open and honest about who I was and what I do or have done in the past to survive. The man was man enough to understand me, and today, he ask me to be his woman. Knowing all my truths, he ask me to be in a relationship.
Do you guys think a ts who is in the adult industry and/or escorts is not capable of being a LOVING caring woman to 1 man??????????
I would like girls and guys opinions.
I would also like to ask my sister Allanah, as she is in a relationship, if she could share with me either publicly or privately, her outlook on my situation.

[Allhail]

I think that I would not marry any woman (TS or GG) who has sex for a living. To me I would always be thinking how many guys has she done this with or is she still doing it with any other guys. Now granted I do not think that I am going to marry a virgin. I just would want to marry someone who does not sell her body for a living.

Now that being said I think to answer your question. Yes I do think a woman who is in the industry or who escorts is capable of being with one person. It just depends on the woman. Some will be faitful while I think other will miss having sex with other partners.

[Teydyn]

What do man whine to their wifes? "It was only sex!"

You need to see the difference between physical, paid for sex and emotional relationship.


Good luck and have fun :)

[juicyfunball]

hi vanessa, you're definately wife material!! escorting could make your relationship better.

[mimiplastique]

good luck

[stephenward]

Of course it can work. That said, it probably won't be easy. Communication, understanding as well as definition of what is acceptable and what is not will be essential. No intimate relationship is without its hurdles, but a willingness to overcome will serve you well. Good luck!

[MrShow52]

I would never trust a whore

[domme]

If both are ready for open relationship with no strings attached, then its fine.

But heck, if thats there - why label it a marriage?

Marriage is something different.

[trish]

I would never look twice at a man who can’t trust me. A man’s sexual insecurity is not only an ugly thing to witness but it betrays a bevy of deep unresolved issues with which I’d rather not deal.

[goldensamba]

I think most people would have the lingering issue of why she is with them in the back of thier mind. Is she with me for my money and because I can take care of here or is she with me because she loves me?

I think that would be the hardest issue to resolve.

Just one man's opinion though.

[baileyandkc]

Sure, why not, as long as you can trust him or her...give it a few years and watch...escorting is a business and if they can put it behind them, the marriage will look as good as any other. If they can't put it behind them, addicted to multiple partners, the sex, etc, then that marriage will be cooked..
just comes down to can the 2 people trust each other and be loyal to each other, unless of course its an open relationship...then the more the merrier..
One has to wonder what the impact is emotionally on escorts, just putting something like that behind them, picking it up and letting it go...not being an escort, can't speak about it

[Nowhere]

There is principle and there is reality. And, I do honestly believe it is naive to think that if you work in the adult industry, especially escorting that it won't be difficult to find someone to settle down with (and that's not even getting into the t-factor with it all).

Effectively, you're making it so that only a subset of a subset of a subset of guys will be open to you.

Only a small portion of guys into tgirls are open to dating them. Only a smaller portion of guys are open to marrying them. Only an even smaller portion of guys are open to marrying ones that have posed nude. Only an even smaller portion of guys are open to marrying ones that have had sex on film, and only an even tinier amount of them are open to marrying ones who have escorted.

It's not that you don't deserve love or that you are a person who can't contribute positively to a relationship, but that's the facts.

You're going to have to find a guy who truly has nothing to lose, doesn't give a sh*t about what anyone around him thinks or says, in ALL communities (since I believe there is anti-t-bias everywhere) as well as his family, friends, etc, and to find a guy who is like that who isn't a thug or serious criminal is a very, very small amount of people in this world.

Your question is on principle, and I believe principle matters very little in the real world.

The situation is what it is, take it for that.

[bootneck]

I am in doubt that you can make a good partner and if you want wife, sex is sex a good honest loving relationship is something else entirely. In the end if it works two people have something special in their lives, if it does not well your a little the wiser, go for it.

[TsVanessa69]

I would never trust a whore
Thats your opinion. First of all a whore is a girl who sleeps with any man that comes her way, and for free.
I don't even sleep with every man who offers to pay.
The point is, the young man has made it clear, he wants a relationship with ME. I don't know what you guys know about escorting, or how its done.
I don't see every person who calls my ad
I don't "work" 24-7.
I work when I feel like it and only if the price is right.
Since my boyfriend is more straight and not really into the cock part, I would only be selling what he doesn't want.
There is no emotional bond with a client, just the person I am in a relationship with

[goldensamba]

I would never trust a whore
Thats your opinion. First of all a whore is a girl who sleeps with any man that comes her way, and for free.
I don't even sleep with every man who offers to pay.
The point is, the young man has made it clear, he wants a relationship with ME. I don't know what you guys know about escorting, or how its done.
I don't see every person who calls my ad
I don't "work" 24-7.
I work when I feel like it and only if the price is right.
Since my boyfriend is more straight and not really into the cock part, I would only be selling what he doesn't want.
There is no emotional bond with a client, just the person I am in a relationship with

That doesn't change the fact to a lot of people that your job was sex for money. Not saying it's write or wrong just trying make it more clear as to why you might get negative responses.

[TsVanessa69]

There is principle and there is reality. And, I do honestly believe it is naive to think that if you work in the adult industry, especially escorting that it won't be difficult to find someone to settle down with (and that's not even getting into the t-factor with it all).

Effectively, you're making it so that only a subset of a subset of a subset of guys will be open to you.

Only a small portion of guys into tgirls are open to dating them. Only a smaller portion of guys are open to marrying them. Only an even smaller portion of guys are open to marrying ones that have posed nude. Only an even smaller portion of guys are open to marrying ones that have had sex on film, and only an even tinier amount of them are open to marrying ones who have escorted.

It's not that you don't deserve love or that you are a person who can't contribute positively to a relationship, but that's the facts.

You're going to have to find a guy who truly has nothing to lose, doesn't give a sh*t about what anyone around him thinks or says, in ALL communities (since I believe there is anti-t-bias everywhere) as well as his family, friends, etc, and to find a guy who is like that who isn't a thug or serious criminal is a very, very small amount of people in this world.

Your question is on principle, and I believe principle matters very little in the real world.

The situation is what it is, take it for that.
You make very valid points, and I am blessed to have that guy!
I was just seeking feedback from you guys, because many have said its not possible!

[rvince]

I think many(most?) guys could definately consider a former escort, but extremely few could be fine with a girl who's still currently escorting.

[TsVanessa69]

I would never trust a whore
Thats your opinion. First of all a whore is a girl who sleeps with any man that comes her way, and for free.
I don't even sleep with every man who offers to pay.
The point is, the young man has made it clear, he wants a relationship with ME. I don't know what you guys know about escorting, or how its done.
I don't see every person who calls my ad
I don't "work" 24-7.
I work when I feel like it and only if the price is right.
Since my boyfriend is more straight and not really into the cock part, I would only be selling what he doesn't want.
There is no emotional bond with a client, just the person I am in a relationship with

That doesn't change the fact to a lot of people that your job was sex for money. Not saying it's write or wrong just trying make it more clear as to why you might get negative responses.
But as you stated, its a JOB!
I set a time to start and stop the job.

[LAGent4ts]

If two people are able to communicate openly and honestly, able to develop a trusting and honest friendship, and accept each other for the person you are, then there is a chance for success. If there is a sense of possessiveness or control of the other person, I think failure is not far off. Just my opinion.

[NYTSJulie]

Yes I think an escort can be in a relationship providing she stops escorting. If we dont stop escorting and a guy is still going to date us and he is ok with his girl turning tricks, I would wonder if he isn't looking to benefit from the coins also, unless he is in the business himself. Now some girls will take a husband and support him and do all that shit, so unless that's what ur looking for I would be careful, because I dont think a "good" man would be ok with his girl out turning tricks.

[TsVanessa69]

I think most people would have the lingering issue of why she is with them in the back of thier mind. Is she with me for my money and because I can take care of here or is she with me because she loves me?

I think that would be the hardest issue to resolve.

Just one man's opinion though.
Very good point, but the guy is far from rich or well off. I am with him for the emotional support I can give him and he can give me. Now see jason, a member on here I tried to become invloved with stated it as" I used him to feel normal". Julius says " We will be here for each other and grow together". Our situation is not about money, more about 2 people who have feelings for each other coming together for emotional support, accepting of each other FLAWS and all. We both come from troubled lives, and together we are looking to better ourselves TOGETHER. He is young, abandoned by his family, criticised by his few friends because they are gay and don't understand how he would prefer a ts over a female, and not date men too. I have already got into an arguement with his gay brother for saying anybody born with a dick is a man. Julius is looking for a woman to accept him and care for him, and support him in his aspirations. He is looking to have a stable inviroment, and dreams of becoming a mecanic. He loves cars and wants to work on them. I want a man to care for me and respect me. I also want love and I want to pursue my dream of becoming a full time show girl. Together we are going to make both happen.

[NYTSJulie]

I am very skeptical of guys trying to run game, so be careful. Because in the "real" world a guy dont step up and ask a girl to be in a relationship after knowing her a few days. Getting into a relationship is a natural progression that happens by dating and getting to know someone.

[TsVanessa69]

If both are ready for open relationship with no strings attached, then its fine.

But heck, if thats there - why label it a marriage?

Marriage is something different.
We haven't made it to the marriage point yet, lets not jump the gun.
The relationship is not going to be like we are going to sleep with anybody and everybody.
I would top to a few select clients once in a while.
Other than that, we would only be with each other.

[TsVanessa69]

I am very skeptical of guys trying to run game, so be careful. Because in the "real" world a guy dont step up and ask a girl to be in a relationship after knowing her a few days. Getting into a relationship is a natural progression that happens by dating and getting to know someone. Obviously we don't live in the real world. He will come stay with me for a while, and we will see what happens from there. If we come to the point of a committed relationship, we will take it from there. For the moment, we are going to give this a try and see where it takes us both.

[TsVanessa69]

Yes I think an escort can be in a relationship providing she stops escorting. If we dont stop escorting and a guy is still going to date us and he is ok with his girl turning tricks, I would wonder if he isn't looking to benefit from the coins also, unless he is in the business himself. Now some girls will take a husband and support him and do all that shit, so unless that's what ur looking for I would be careful, because I dont think a "good" man would be ok with his girl out turning tricks.
He escorts now, because he was kicked out of his house after his mother died. He rents a room by himself and basically, like me is alone. He would like to go to school, he doesn't have a problem with contributing,

[Dinand]

Maybe I'm just perverted or something but for me it would be like a turn on if my girlfriend would be like a pornstar. I would watch all her movies for sure! Now I'm not sure about prostitution though, maybe.

But of course if I let her free to have sex with other guys - job or no job - then I'm also free to have sex with other girls so I guess the door swings both ways!

[tsmandy]

Yes I think an escort can be in a relationship providing she stops escorting. If we dont stop escorting and a guy is still going to date us and he is ok with his girl turning tricks, I would wonder if he isn't looking to benefit from the coins also, unless he is in the business himself. Now some girls will take a husband and support him and do all that shit, so unless that's what ur looking for I would be careful, because I dont think a "good" man would be ok with his girl out turning tricks.
He escorts now, because he was kicked out of his house after his mother died. He rents a room by himself and basically, like me is alone. He would like to go to school, he doesn't have a problem with contributing,

As long as he doesn't have pimp fantasies than dating a man-whore is a good common ground. Hell, I know more than one couple in the PNW who are M/F whore couples. My advice, would be to keep your business completely separate from him (not secret, just seperate). From my own personal experience with my partner, you never know how your work is going to affect your partner, even if they are supportive and understanding.

And all the man sluts who are married and saying they could never trust a whore, what a sad case of projection. Come on guys, at least for us its about money, for you, you're just cheating :wink:

[BiCuriousGeorge]

Here is my opinion. I have no problem being in a relationship with a girl who is a porn star. They get tested and so do the people they have sex with. Plus there are other people around that make sure things don't get out of hand. And you never know if they will bring a "friend" home for a threesome! Dating an escort is much more difficult because you don't know if anyone has any diseases and there is always the worry of the client robbing, hurting, or even killing an escort if they don't have someone watching to protect them. If a girl used to escort but doesn't anymore than can be ok. I guess it all depends on everyones situation since nobody is really the same.

[David J.]

I voted against simply because of the odds. Just ask yourself if you could be with a guy who has sex for a living with gg's or tg's...if you say no, how can you expect different?

[David J.]

I voted against simply because of the odds. Just ask yourself if you could be with a guy who has sex for a living with gg's or tg's...if you say no, how can you expect different?

[LilWyte]

yeah dating someone who's out banging a bunch of guys who have to pay for sex while im at home watching csi is right up on my list of things to do in life

[baileyandkc]

I'm sure this has already been covered extensively in other subjects/forums but what's the difference between escorts and adult film actresses..both are paid for sex...so if you're ok with your significant other being a porn star, you oughta be ok with them being an escort.. :?

[TsVanessa69]

yeah dating someone who's out banging a bunch of guys who have to pay for sex while im at home watching csi is right up on my list of things to do in life
What planet does that happen on?
In the real world, thats not happenin.
If you're dating me, after work hours are done, my time is for you, just like any other job. I don't escort to survive, so its not a big deal.
I would be at home watching CSI with you, in sexy lingerie of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :wink: :wink:

[SarahG]

The man was man enough to understand me, and today, he ask me to be his woman. Knowing all my truths, he ask me to be in a relationship.
Do you guys think a ts who is in the adult industry and/or escorts is not capable of being a LOVING caring woman to 1 man??????????
I would like girls and guys opinions.

Doesn't asking you into an LTR answer your own question?

Who cares what everyone else thinks- its what you and he think that dictate the issue.

If he doesn't see an issue, and you don't see an issue- there's no issue.

What do either of you want out of the relationship? Do you want this to be a traditional closed dating relationship? If so, how will escorting effect that? Will he want you to stop escorting?

Will you want him to not see anyone else, and will he be ok with that OR will he say "yea but you have sex with other people, so I should be able to as well"?

[Dinand]

I'm sure this has already been covered extensively in other subjects/forums but what's the difference between escorts and adult film actresses..
A camera?


both are paid for sex...so if you're ok with your significant other being a porn star, you oughta be ok with them being an escort..
For me it's the environment, I'm pretty sure a movieset is much safer than going on escort. And yeah maybe it's also a mind thing, like you can accept saying my wife is a pornstar more easy than saying my wife is a prostitute, I dunno.

[baileyandkc]

I don't know, paid to have sex before a movie camera or in some motel room, all seems the same to me, although I'd guess most guys would accept a porn actress as their wife before a escort, or not...

It really does come down to the kind of relationship you want...traditional and closed, you don't want or need anyone else to satisfy you, unless you need the cash...non-traditional and open relationship, you can do as many as you like whenever you like..

If both parties are agreeable to an open relationship, no need for 3rd opinions. if one person wants a closed relationship and the other wants an open relationship, would seem to be sayonara

[slinky]

I wonder if I'm the only one who thinks that this is the TS working girl equivalent of all the "am I gay?" threads.

[muhmuh]

Do you guys think a ts who is in the adult industry and/or escorts is not capable of being a LOVING caring woman to 1 man??????????
I would like girls and guys opinions.

i think your asking 3 seperate questions here (topic poll and text) without being clear on which one youd like to get an answer on
1) can a prostitute be a loving and caring partner - as long as theres just one such prostitute in the world the answer is yes so ill go out on a limb here and say yes
2) can you be that prostitute? - how the hell would i or anyone else here other than yourself know?
3) is a prostitute so someone for whom sex is a commodity relationship material - depends on every posters oppinion

[ed_jaxon]

A couple of points but first a question V.

How long have you known the dude?

I am a firm believer that until you see the whole person you can't know what they are about and that takes time.
Good times, bad times, stressful situations etc. All these reveal who the person is.

Also any stressors you place into a relationship will be challenging. Illness, kids, and other things all make communication key.

Being an escort does place stress on a relationship but so does everything else.

[BrendaQG]

IMHO

yes you can have a relationship with a man and escort unless.

1.) He is the jealous type and insecure.

2.) He is a leech and using you for $$$$.

From what you have written it does not look like either of those things are at issue. If either of those things are true and you go ahead with a relationship they will end it soon enough.

Specifically since he is in the business I don't see how he could have a problem with your business or really need your money (unless he gets sick or something).

[LilWyte]

honestly ithink the only way i could date a pornstar would be if i was one too lol...it always seemed like a cool idea cuz shed be hot obviously but when u think bout it..ehh..

[goldensamba]

Yes I think an escort can be in a relationship providing she stops escorting. If we dont stop escorting and a guy is still going to date us and he is ok with his girl turning tricks, I would wonder if he isn't looking to benefit from the coins also, unless he is in the business himself. Now some girls will take a husband and support him and do all that shit, so unless that's what ur looking for I would be careful, because I dont think a "good" man would be ok with his girl out turning tricks.

:claps :claps :claps :claps

[goldensamba]

IMHO

yes you can have a relationship with a man and escort unless.

1.) He is the jealous type and insecure.

2.) He is a leech and using you for $$$$.

From what you have written it does not look like either of those things are at issue. If either of those things are true and you go ahead with a relationship they will end it soon enough.

Specifically since he is in the business I don't see how he could have a problem with your business or really need your money (unless he gets sick or something).


Putting everything on the man's actions is the exact reason this wouldn't work for some people. You can't say oh the man needs to adapt and nt be this and that but I do what I please. How is that going ot work out for you? Sounds extremely selfish to me and therefore won't work out in the end. It takes BOTH partners acting properly for this scenario to have a chance of working.

The way you answered this question sums up the reason good guys get annoyed with women be they GG or TS.

[NYTSJulie]

Yes I think an escort can be in a relationship providing she stops escorting. If we dont stop escorting and a guy is still going to date us and he is ok with his girl turning tricks, I would wonder if he isn't looking to benefit from the coins also, unless he is in the business himself. Now some girls will take a husband and support him and do all that shit, so unless that's what ur looking for I would be careful, because I dont think a "good" man would be ok with his girl out turning tricks.
He escorts now, because he was kicked out of his house after his mother died. He rents a room by himself and basically, like me is alone. He would like to go to school, he doesn't have a problem with contributing,

Then maybe it can work, short term though. Relationships while one or two is in the sex field are not going to be deep and meaningful. I say go for it and have your fun for now, but girl until he proves himself dont trust him. He is in "the business" and anyone in the business knows the streets and can hustle so becareful he isn't trying to hustle you. Although like I said it can work if he is in the business. I have dated guys who do massage, escort, dance and what ever. I actually went out last night and this guy who is friends with my friend showed up. He is a dancer. We hooked up, then he gave me all the "now its you and me ma" I told him to save all that bullshit for someone else, lol.

Also one other thing, if he is in the business and you make more coins then him, there can be a competition.

[timxxx]

IMHO

yes you can have a relationship with a man and escort unless.

1.) He is the jealous type and insecure.

2.) He is a leech and using you for $$$$.

From what you have written it does not look like either of those things are at issue. If either of those things are true and you go ahead with a relationship they will end it soon enough.

Specifically since he is in the business I don't see how he could have a problem with your business or really need your money (unless he gets sick or something).





Putting everything on the man's actions is the exact reason this wouldn't work for some people. You can't say oh the man needs to adapt and nt be this and that but I do what I please. How is that going ot work out for you? Sounds extremely selfish to me and therefore won't work out in the end. It takes BOTH partners acting properly for this scenario to have a chance of working.

The way you answered this question sums up the reason good guys get annoyed with women be they GG or TS.

Man,you understand the rules with some women TS or GG.
My money is OUR money,her money is HER money :wink:

[trannybanger]

OK, Am I the only one that thinks this is fucking ridiculous? I apologize if this is brutally honest but, goddamn.

You meet a guy not even a week ago when you come to town to party and sell ass, within days you are calling him your boyfriend? The two of you are discussing him coming to live with you, and how your are going to build hopes and dreams together? On top of everything else, his job is as a young cocksucker? WTF??????

Somebody do a reality check, sounds like two desperate people. Young guys mooch off older women all the time, and to mark a Tgirl that you are familiar with from a porn board seems like a fairly accurate jackpot. Especially when the girl was on this board the week before complaining about her other 4 day boyfriend that used her and how much he hurt her. In reality, this is one person lacking self esteem under the illusion of looking for "love" and another, lacking the same, possibly more looking to take advantage of someone more needy.

Wake the fuck up. If you want a real life, keep it to yourself, don't advertise all your business on the internet. But hell, don't listen to me you have a world of friends here that will support this brilliant decision.

[deadlyray]

No way, unless you're both swingers. The Florida Mandingos (look it up) were standing around laughing after tag teaming some guy's wife (with him watching) and said "he's got to let her go. There is no way one man can satisfy her."

In other words, I think anyone in that industry or just a woman that sleeps around in general may pause, but will not stop sleeping around for a relationship. No way. Maybe, but not likely.

[lockstockg]

oh i think you are, what people do is their own damn business, and if they look like you do then it makes it even easier to accept, but yeh u love and care for someone for who they are no what they do

[TsVanessa69]

Yes I think an escort can be in a relationship providing she stops escorting. If we dont stop escorting and a guy is still going to date us and he is ok with his girl turning tricks, I would wonder if he isn't looking to benefit from the coins also, unless he is in the business himself. Now some girls will take a husband and support him and do all that shit, so unless that's what ur looking for I would be careful, because I dont think a "good" man would be ok with his girl out turning tricks.
He escorts now, because he was kicked out of his house after his mother died. He rents a room by himself and basically, like me is alone. He would like to go to school, he doesn't have a problem with contributing,

Then maybe it can work, short term though. Relationships while one or two is in the sex field are not going to be deep and meaningful. I say go for it and have your fun for now, but girl until he proves himself dont trust him. He is in "the business" and anyone in the business knows the streets and can hustle so becareful he isn't trying to hustle you. Although like I said it can work if he is in the business. I have dated guys who do massage, escort, dance and what ever. I actually went out last night and this guy who is friends with my friend showed up. He is a dancer. We hooked up, then he gave me all the "now its you and me ma" I told him to save all that bullshit for someone else, lol.

Also one other thing, if he is in the business and you make more coins then him, there can be a competition.
Yea, I see your point. For now we are just going to try and see if its gonna work ourselves. I just threw this out there to see peoples reactions, and get feedback. He does want to date me and I would love to date him and just see where it goes. If its short term, so be it, we will have fun and enjoy each others company. For now, its a "long" distance relationship, If it develops into something more, it would be a blessing, but its not something I would expect. But hey, you never know until you try.

[Steffani]

thats not gonna work
1 no relationship goes from hi how r u to ltr ova night
2 no guy is going to be on it with a girlfriend turnin em, if so then they can't be too committed
3 a male escort will work you before relating w u

take a pass on him and find someone who is worth your time

[Jolt711ml]

Im not the smartest guy in the world but its about feelings and how you actually feel about a person. Me being a man I have lied, stole, and cheat for a woman that I didnt actually respect. So if I can come too terms with a working girl regarless or gender .. Does it matter? You control your destiny if you wanna get with a trans girl if it makes you feel good do it. Stop Playing yourself. All these thread about working girls it comes too trust. No trust No relationship. Period.

[TsVanessa69]

thats not gonna work
1 no relationship goes from hi how r u to ltr ova night
2 no guy is going to be on it with a girlfriend turnin em, if so then they can't be too committed
3 a male escort will work you before relating w u

take a pass on him and find someone who is worth your time
We are just talking at the moment, obviously LTR is built over time and trust.

[MonsieurValentine]

if you have to ask, probably not.

[Ibrar]

I think that just because someone escorts, it does not automatically write them off as being relationship material. The way I see it is that everyone is human, and shares the same desire for love, a relationship and so on. An escort is no less deserving of this. I just think it would take a certain kind of person who would not let the fact their lover is an escort get in the way.

Thats is my confusing two cents. lol

[vman2375]

I had to step out of Kellys Relationship thread, but however I have something to share with the members of the forum.
I have met someone who I thought was a casual fling when I was in NYC for Allanah's birthday bash. I was open and honest about who I was and what I do or have done in the past to survive. The man was man enough to understand me, and today, he ask me to be his woman. Knowing all my truths, he ask me to be in a relationship.
Do you guys think a ts who is in the adult industry and/or escorts is not capable of being a LOVING caring woman to 1 man??????????
I would like girls and guys opinions.
I would also like to ask my sister Allanah, as she is in a relationship, if she could share with me either publicly or privately, her outlook on my situation.VERY SIMPLE: WHAT U DID IN THE PAST WOULD NOT PREVENT ME FROM LOVING U BUT TO STAY TOGETHER, U WOULD HAVE TO STOP.

[TsVanessa69]

I think that just because someone escorts, it does not automatically write them off as being relationship material. The way I see it is that everyone is human, and shares the same desire for love, a relationship and so on. An escort is no less deserving of this. I just think it would take a certain kind of person who would not let the fact their lover is an escort get in the way.

Thats is my confusing two cents. lol
Nothing confusing about it at all.
Its exactly how I felt when I made the post, just wanted to get others feedback on the subject.

[TsVanessa69]

Im not the smartest guy in the world but its about feelings and how you actually feel about a person. Me being a man I have lied, stole, and cheat for a woman that I didnt actually respect. So if I can come too terms with a working girl regarless or gender .. Does it matter? You control your destiny if you wanna get with a trans girl if it makes you feel good do it. Stop Playing yourself. All these thread about working girls it comes too trust. No trust No relationship. Period.
Very true. At least you are honest and admit you have flaws, as I have and the young man interested in being in a relationship with me is.

[TS DANIELLE FOXXX]

I can answer this based on my experiences, and also because I am an adult entertainer.

I do not think a good, honesty based, long lasting, healthy relationship can be achieved when one is in the adult business.

It's just my opinion. I am not into sharing, I love my man to be mine, I like monogamy, spiritual connection, honesty, and the fact that my body and soul belongs to one person and one person only.

I'd like to offer someone that someday but for the time being I am just getting all my personal goals out of the way so that I can have a better future... On my own... If a guy happens to come around then great.

My 2 cents

[Dinand]

It's just my opinion. I am not into sharing, I love my man to be mine, I like monogamy, spiritual connection, honesty, and the fact that my body and soul belongs to one person and one person only.
But if porn is just a job and the sex is just sex with no real feelings then I don't see a problem.

[needsum]

I think what it comes down to is this: you are the only one who can truly answer that question for yourself. Can you be faithful to one man only? Can one man satisfy you in all the ways you need?

I hope the answer is yes, for your sake. I don't know you, never spoke with you, but I'd like to think that you have it in you to be with this new guy and to make it work.

Regarless of the fact that a woman may make a living having sex for money, it doesn't automatically make her a whore, nor does it make her lose all of her human emotions. She can still be capable of sharing love and affection with another human being.

Now if she got into the industry under negative circumstances, ie drugs or money issues or a history of rape, etc., she may not be the type to be capable of having a normal relationship.

But Vanessa, I think you'll do just fine, honey.

[slinky]

Nothing confusing about it at all.
Its exactly how I felt when I made the post, just wanted to get others feedback on the subject.

I'm not sure you're being totally honest here. I think what you wanted was validation from others, not feedback.

[KOH765]

a ho is a ho and a jump off is a jump off.. They are nothing more and are never meant to be wifey material.. . Only cornballs and losers turn washed up hoes into wives...

[TS DANIELLE FOXXX]

a ho is a ho and a jump off is a jump off.. They are nothing more and are never meant to be wifey material.. . Only cornballs and losers turn washed up hoes into wives...

LOL Wow... How about internet trolls who cheat on their house wives or jack off to washed up hoes?

Cuts both ways sir!

[TsVanessa69]

I think what it comes down to is this: you are the only one who can truly answer that question for yourself. Can you be faithful to one man only? Can one man satisfy you in all the ways you need?

I hope the answer is yes, for your sake. I don't know you, never spoke with you, but I'd like to think that you have it in you to be with this new guy and to make it work.

Regarless of the fact that a woman may make a living having sex for money, it doesn't automatically make her a whore, nor does it make her lose all of her human emotions. She can still be capable of sharing love and affection with another human being.

Now if she got into the industry under negative circumstances, ie drugs or money issues or a history of rape, etc., she may not be the type to be capable of having a normal relationship.

But Vanessa, I think you'll do just fine, honey.
Ok now more people are starting to see where I am coming from.
Can I be faithful to one man?? Yes I can, and I want to.
I only see clients as work. There is no emontional bond on my part with any of my clients.

[yx]

Can I be faithful to one man?? Yes I can, and I want to.

That's good ;)


I only see clients as work. There is no emontional bond on my part with any of my clients.

Even so, there aren't many guys who would be able to deal with their girl having sex with other guys, emotional bond or not.

Finding a guy capable of dealing with it, who will remain faithful to you and with whom you'll be able to have a long, healthy relationship is not something you are likely to find. Honestly, those guys are maybe one in a million. I'm sure there are many guys who think they could deal with it, but wouldn't be able to (especially over the long term) when put in that situation.

But if you can find a man who is truly capable of dealing with you being an escort and with whom you can have a healthy relationship then it's cool.

In my relationships I accept nothing less than complete faithfulness (both on the part of the girl and myself), but there is more than one type of relationship that can work.

[dc_guy_75]

It would be very difficult to accept, the primary reason is that I'd be afraid of STDs or something worse.

[goldensamba]

I think what it comes down to is this: you are the only one who can truly answer that question for yourself. Can you be faithful to one man only? Can one man satisfy you in all the ways you need?

I hope the answer is yes, for your sake. I don't know you, never spoke with you, but I'd like to think that you have it in you to be with this new guy and to make it work.

Regarless of the fact that a woman may make a living having sex for money, it doesn't automatically make her a whore, nor does it make her lose all of her human emotions. She can still be capable of sharing love and affection with another human being.

Now if she got into the industry under negative circumstances, ie drugs or money issues or a history of rape, etc., she may not be the type to be capable of having a normal relationship.

But Vanessa, I think you'll do just fine, honey.
Ok now more people are starting to see where I am coming from.
Can I be faithful to one man?? Yes I can, and I want to.
I only see clients as work. There is no emontional bond on my part with any of my clients.

If you want a relationship, wy not get a new job and skip the possible complication?

[tsluver247]

I had to step out of Kellys Relationship thread, but however I have something to share with the members of the forum.
I have met someone who I thought was a casual fling when I was in NYC for Allanah's birthday bash. I was open and honest about who I was and what I do or have done in the past to survive. The man was man enough to understand me, and today, he ask me to be his woman. Knowing all my truths, he ask me to be in a relationship.
Do you guys think a ts who is in the adult industry and/or escorts is not capable of being a LOVING caring woman to 1 man??????????
I would like girls and guys opinions.
I would also like to ask my sister Allanah, as she is in a relationship, if she could share with me either publicly or privately, her outlook on my situation.

Everyone is capable of love and could be committed to one person. Do not forget, even when you are committed to one person, you can look at the menu, you just can not order. :lol: As long as the two people are up front with each other and are honest with each other, anything is possible.

The way I look at it, an adult entertainer is a tough occupation to find love, since most people do not want to share your loved one's body. But as an adult entertainer is your source of income, it would hard to tell a loved one to quit their job unless the other person feels it is the right thing to do. Remember, people in love think as one and their hearts beat as one.

[TsVanessa69]

I think what it comes down to is this: you are the only one who can truly answer that question for yourself. Can you be faithful to one man only? Can one man satisfy you in all the ways you need?

I hope the answer is yes, for your sake. I don't know you, never spoke with you, but I'd like to think that you have it in you to be with this new guy and to make it work.

Regarless of the fact that a woman may make a living having sex for money, it doesn't automatically make her a whore, nor does it make her lose all of her human emotions. She can still be capable of sharing love and affection with another human being.

Now if she got into the industry under negative circumstances, ie drugs or money issues or a history of rape, etc., she may not be the type to be capable of having a normal relationship.

But Vanessa, I think you'll do just fine, honey.
Ok now more people are starting to see where I am coming from.
Can I be faithful to one man?? Yes I can, and I want to.
I only see clients as work. There is no emontional bond on my part with any of my clients.

If you want a relationship, wy not get a new job and skip the possible complication?
That was already in the works anyway, with a man or without, I was looking into going back to my job as what is called a "Peer Educator". At the moment I am being offered a part time position. And most definatly I am NEVER giving up my drag shows, thats what I wanted to be all my life since I was 7 years old, a fabulous, glamorous showgirl. And I was going to keep the webcam work, as it requieres no physical contact with others.

[salvador]

Wow Vanessa, let me ask you this. . . . Your in the business, you must have some pretty good ideas of the statistics associated with your question. How many of these kind of relationships have you seen work and why ?

And for the ones that don't work >>>--------> ( 0 ) why not ?

I think the odds are extremely not in favour of it working but there is always the exception to the rule.

Having said all that, it should be pointed out that sex is not the main glue that holds people together. When a relationship lasts a long time the bond becomes something far beyond rubbing body parts together for a horny thrill.

In a very real sense, sex is mostly kid stuff and every relationship has it's tough times regardless of the circumstances. As time moves forward the bond becomes more solid, as long as the relationship was based of to healthy frames of mind. Eccentrically that would be about motives.

The ideal relationship is one that doesn't restrain each other from being who they are. Being able to speak freely and reveal everything about yourself to the other without fear of judgement or ridicule. And then helping the other person to fulfill themselves each and every day.

Romanticism is not for monks. So if you're not a monk then you crave an intimate bond with someone. And will always inevitably seek that as long as that need isn't being satisfied, whether their in a relationship or not. Some people can live alone. But most of them are lonely. Love is not for the faint of heart.

[Ozniak]

Its all about boundaries and what you define as "okay" ... not everyone was raised the same.

[tssexychanel]

IN MY OPINION THE MAN WOULD HAVE TO BE MATURE AND SECURE WITH IN HIMSELF. I THINK ITS DUMB TO THINK THAT SOMEONES CAREER IS ALL THAT THEY ARE AS PEOPLE THERE IS SO MUCH MORE TO US THAN WHAT WE DO FOR A LIVING.

ITS NOT AN EASY THING TO DO AND ISSUES WILL BE NEED TO BE DEALT WITH BUT IT WILL TAKE COMMITMENT ON BOTH PARTS FOR IT TO BE SUCCESSFUL. NOTHING IN LIFE WORTH HAVING IS EVER EASY ITS ALL ABOUT HOW BAD DO YOU REALLY WANT IT.

I WILL SAY THAT PERSONALLY THE PROBLEM WITH RELATIONSHIPS LIES MORE WITH ME THAN WITH THE MEN THAT I MEET KNOWING ALL I KNOW ABOUT THE SECRET SEX LIVES AND LUST OF MEN THAT I HAVE SERIOUS TRUST ISSUES WITH MEN TO BEGIN WITH SO THATS THE BIGGEST IMPACT MY CAREER HAS ON RELATIONSHIPS. 90% OF THE MEN THAT CONTACT ME HAVE ALL BEEN WITH SOMEONE ELSE IN A SO CALLED HAPPY STABLE HOME. MADE ME SAY 10 YEARS AGO I RATHER BE CHEATED WITH THAN CHEATED ON. I DONT WANNA BE THE CLUELESS HOUSEWIFE SITTING AT HOME THINKING EVERYTHING IS FINE WHILE MY HUSBAND IS STALKING EVERYTHING ON THE NET.

I SAY GO FOR IT DONT WANT TO GO THRU LIFE WONDERING IF HE COULD HAVE BEEN THE ONE. STRANGER THINGS HAVE HAPPENED HE JUST COULD BE WHAT YOU NEED IN YOUR LIFE. GO IN WITH YOUR EYES OPEN THOUGH AND AS SOON AS YOU SMELL SHIT FLUSH THE TOILET

[InHouston]

Regarding GG's, would I date a a girl who's in an adult-oriented line of business?

Sure, but probably not for very long.

Would I trust a girl who's in an adult-oriented line of business to be in a relationship with her?

No way.

There are "good time girls", and then the ones you marry. Know the difference.

[trish]

KOH765 spews,

a ho is a ho and a jump off is a jump off.. They are nothing more and are never meant to be wifey material.. . Only cornballs and losers turn washed up hoes into wives...

and InHouston follows,

There are "good time girls", and then the ones you marry. Know the difference.

Spoken like true cornballs and losers. I see... it has nothing to do with matters of trust, mutual respect and love, it’s just a matter of crudely putting people in their places. The usual business of assigning them neat little boxes and categories: ho, good time girl, housewife. That way you don’t have to think or treat people like the real complex human beings. Caution: this way lies deep dissatisfaction. There is no love in your future, just copulation, kids and cages.

[InHouston]

KOH765 spews,

a ho is a ho and a jump off is a jump off.. They are nothing more and are never meant to be wifey material.. . Only cornballs and losers turn washed up hoes into wives...

and InHouston follows,

There are "good time girls", and then the ones you marry. Know the difference.

Spoken like true cornballs and losers. I see... it has nothing to do with matters of trust, mutual respect and love, it’s just a matter of crudely putting people in their places. The usual business of assigning them neat little boxes and categories: ho, good time girl, housewife. That way you don’t have to think or treat people like the real complex human beings. Caution: this way lies deep dissatisfaction. There is no love in your future, just copulation, kids and cages.

And you're deluded. There is too much at risk when venturing into a serious relationship with a girl who's occupation is to entertain men. Hearth, home, children, finances, property, dignity, and pride are all ruined when you tangle up with such a girl who tears it all down because some knucklehead she met one night, who contributed nothing of the aforementioned to the relationship, ends up sleeping with her. A man who is serious about family life does not want his woman and the mother of his children to strip, lapdance, fuck, blow, or even flirt with other men, regardless of how she may justify it. And yes, when it comes to mates, you have to fit them into the neat little boxes and categories that will assure the both of you that you can depend on each other to build a life together. Get a clue.

Now comes Trish's ridiculous rebuttal.

[MonsieurValentine]

It's just my opinion. I am not into sharing, I love my man to be mine, I like monogamy, spiritual connection, honesty, and the fact that my body and soul belongs to one person and one person only.
But if porn is just a job and the sex is just sex with no real feelings then I don't see a problem.

in the end, it's never "just" sex.

[trish]

No rebuttal, InHouston. I'll just underscore a few your own issues:


...property, dignity, and pride are all ruined when you tangle up with such a girl...


when it comes to mates, you have to fit them into the neat little boxes and categories...

So your wife (or future wife) earns your trust by fitting nicely into the wife-box. That should make her happy. What category should she fit you into, "cornball" or "loser"?

[Justawannabe]

Monsieur is right... 'in the end, it's never "just" sex.' There is always some impact, maybe it's not bonding with that individual, but it's never emotionally neutral.

salvador said

- Having said all that, it should be pointed out that sex is not the main glue that holds people together. When a relationship lasts a long time the bond becomes something far beyond rubbing body parts together for a horny thrill.

In a very real sense, sex is mostly kid stuff and every relationship has it's tough times regardless of the circumstances. As time moves forward the bond becomes more solid, as long as the relationship was based of to healthy frames of mind. Eccentrically that would be about motives.

The ideal relationship is one that doesn't restrain each other from being who they are. Being able to speak freely and reveal everything about yourself to the other without fear of judgement or ridicule. And then helping the other person to fulfill themselves each and every day.

Romanticism is not for monks. So if you're not a monk then you crave an intimate bond with someone. And will always inevitably seek that as long as that need isn't being satisfied, whether their in a relationship or not. Some people can live alone. But most of them are lonely. Love is not for the faint of heart. -

Sex is never kid stuff. It pulls in too many functions at once, all our natural uppers, our insecurities (don't act like it's just men who have them folks) and issues of public image... who are we in the eyes of others.

Maybe some of that shouldn't be important, but it is. How do you end up feeling if you have a fight and you partner goes off to have sex with someone else? What if they come home and tell you they are too tired from work to be with you? I don't care how secure you are supposed to be those are gonna hurt.

My point is someone who is active in the industry can certainly give love someone else, and I believe they can accept love, though that may be harder given the general opinion of half the population. BUT, that does not overcome the very real issues of sharing basic functions of most relationships with others. Lot's of trust issues, competence issues, secrecy issues all totally aside from the real fears for physical safety from clients or illnesses.

Sean

[Nikka]

interesting how the poll is going on

[Tomfurbs]

Off the top of my head, I can think of a few porn stars who appear to be in successful marriages/relationships:

Gia Paloma
Daryl Hanah
Belladonna


Like everything in life, there are no hard and fast rules. People are unpredictable, diverse, and capable of overcoming many adversities and difficulties.

So, to answer the original question: Yes with an 'if', No with a 'but'. :lol:


Do you know what would help the situation? If escorts/porn stars where more open and sensitive to accepting their partners' reservations, and if men were less judgemental and didn't pour scorn on those who try to make these kind of relationships work.

[TsVanessa69]

Monsieur is right... 'in the end, it's never "just" sex.' There is always some impact, maybe it's not bonding with that individual, but it's never emotionally neutral.

salvador said

- Having said all that, it should be pointed out that sex is not the main glue that holds people together. When a relationship lasts a long time the bond becomes something far beyond rubbing body parts together for a horny thrill.

In a very real sense, sex is mostly kid stuff and every relationship has it's tough times regardless of the circumstances. As time moves forward the bond becomes more solid, as long as the relationship was based of to healthy frames of mind. Eccentrically that would be about motives.

The ideal relationship is one that doesn't restrain each other from being who they are. Being able to speak freely and reveal everything about yourself to the other without fear of judgement or ridicule. And then helping the other person to fulfill themselves each and every day.

Romanticism is not for monks. So if you're not a monk then you crave an intimate bond with someone. And will always inevitably seek that as long as that need isn't being satisfied, whether their in a relationship or not. Some people can live alone. But most of them are lonely. Love is not for the faint of heart. -

Sex is never kid stuff. It pulls in too many functions at once, all our natural uppers, our insecurities (don't act like it's just men who have them folks) and issues of public image... who are we in the eyes of others.

Maybe some of that shouldn't be important, but it is. How do you end up feeling if you have a fight and you partner goes off to have sex with someone else? What if they come home and tell you they are too tired from work to be with you? I don't care how secure you are supposed to be those are gonna hurt.

My point is someone who is active in the industry can certainly give love someone else, and I believe they can accept love, though that may be harder given the general opinion of half the population. BUT, that does not overcome the very real issues of sharing basic functions of most relationships with others. Lot's of trust issues, competence issues, secrecy issues all totally aside from the real fears for physical safety from clients or illnesses.

Sean
Thank you for that insightful response

[TS DANIELLE FOXXX]

Its all about boundaries and what you define as "okay" ... not everyone was raised the same.

I am not sure that people raise their kids to grow up and not pay for sex. My parents definitely didn't raise me to do sex work. However they did make a clear mistake on my education and making sure I was to grow up and have a career.

My dad was an engineer, my grandfather wrote several books on the subject. I have a huge inclination to draw, plan and execute home projects, but I was never given the basics of a home education and the importance of having a plan and goals.

My parents were too busy fighting, abusing me, yelling, causing drama, etc... They had no time to give me the attention I truly needed.

I left home when I was 17 so I can get away from their abuse cycle. I had to learn everything on my own. I went on the only road I knew... The easiest road to get me to where I wanted to go. Without any guidance it was the only road I felt safe traveling down on.

It doesn't matter if you do sex work or if you are a lawyer. I think being a lawyer is a lot more of a dirty job then being a sex worker.

Being in the sex business you learn how to give others pleasure and to treat them the way they pay and expect to be treated, which usually means they don't get it else where.

Many people have a very twisted view on the job of an Escort, but I am basically a psychiatrist most of the time. I talk to my clients, I am their friend, I make them smile, I provide them a very special escape from the lives they feel pressured on living based on the same values that are placed over my head.

The same people who have "high morel values" are the ones who these clients want to escape from. There is certain expectation from my part if I am providing my clients with that atmosphere. They seek me for that mostly, and for most, paying ensures their discretion and disconnection from the responsibility to another human being.

It is not always a dirty and gross job to have. I am well respected, men love me ( to a certain extent ) take care of me, appreciate my time, spoil me, and allow me to guarantee myself a good future, which is just what I am doing.

There is nothing wrong with providing someone pleasure and a smile. I guess you can call me Geisha. I am an entertainer and I do not consider myself a whore.

Some lawyer on the other hand, are trained to protect criminals and get them out of crimes I myself would not even dream of committing. Lawyers can sometimes get money from people who get in car accidents and falsify claims. It's a very dirty job. Not for all but most.

"Morals" may apply to the those who do not have respect for others. I consider myself a woman with morals, and respect for human life, goals, self worth, love, happiness etc...

Why should I be judged by those who claim moral values when they use the excuse to belittle others? That to me is a dirty game.

My best friend Felicia Katt whom I respect very much, is someone with tremendous moral values and a person that I admire quite a bit. She reminds me when I get down on myself that what I do brings happiness to others and not sorrow. It makes me smile and helps me to continue to see other great parts of my soul, as opposed to focusing on what society expects my moral values to be.

There is no such thing as a collective moral value. Your values are individual to you only.

I am definitely not a bad person or less worthy of love because of my past. And if a man or his family may think so, why would I want to be around them? Even if I wasn't an adult entertainer, in my book, that is some fucked up shit to do to someone.

[TS DANIELLE FOXXX]

KOH765 spews,

a ho is a ho and a jump off is a jump off.. They are nothing more and are never meant to be wifey material.. . Only cornballs and losers turn washed up hoes into wives...

and InHouston follows,

There are "good time girls", and then the ones you marry. Know the difference.

Spoken like true cornballs and losers. I see... it has nothing to do with matters of trust, mutual respect and love, it’s just a matter of crudely putting people in their places. The usual business of assigning them neat little boxes and categories: ho, good time girl, housewife. That way you don’t have to think or treat people like the real complex human beings. Caution: this way lies deep dissatisfaction. There is no love in your future, just copulation, kids and cages.

And you're deluded. There is too much at risk when venturing into a serious relationship with a girl who's occupation is to entertain men. Hearth, home, children, finances, property, dignity, and pride are all ruined when you tangle up with such a girl who tears it all down because some knucklehead she met one night, who contributed nothing of the aforementioned to the relationship, ends up sleeping with her. A man who is serious about family life does not want his woman and the mother of his children to strip, lapdance, fuck, blow, or even flirt with other men, regardless of how she may justify it. And yes, when it comes to mates, you have to fit them into the neat little boxes and categories that will assure the both of you that you can depend on each other to build a life together. Get a clue.

Now comes Trish's ridiculous rebuttal.

As harsh as that sounds it is the God's honest truth.

Now... tell me this... Would you place the same expectations upon an EX sex worker with a past?

[InHouston]

KOH765 spews,

a ho is a ho and a jump off is a jump off.. They are nothing more and are never meant to be wifey material.. . Only cornballs and losers turn washed up hoes into wives...

and InHouston follows,

There are "good time girls", and then the ones you marry. Know the difference.

Spoken like true cornballs and losers. I see... it has nothing to do with matters of trust, mutual respect and love, it’s just a matter of crudely putting people in their places. The usual business of assigning them neat little boxes and categories: ho, good time girl, housewife. That way you don’t have to think or treat people like the real complex human beings. Caution: this way lies deep dissatisfaction. There is no love in your future, just copulation, kids and cages.

And you're deluded. There is too much at risk when venturing into a serious relationship with a girl who's occupation is to entertain men. Hearth, home, children, finances, property, dignity, and pride are all ruined when you tangle up with such a girl who tears it all down because some knucklehead she met one night, who contributed nothing of the aforementioned to the relationship, ends up sleeping with her. A man who is serious about family life does not want his woman and the mother of his children to strip, lapdance, fuck, blow, or even flirt with other men, regardless of how she may justify it. And yes, when it comes to mates, you have to fit them into the neat little boxes and categories that will assure the both of you that you can depend on each other to build a life together. Get a clue.

Now comes Trish's ridiculous rebuttal.

As harsh as that sounds it is the God's honest truth.

Now... tell me this... Would you place the same expectations upon an EX sex worker with a past?


Many women and men as well, just aren’t spousal material. Just as many men and women are not adult-oriented entertainer material either. Each lifestyle is not conducive to what is required of the other. They're just vastly incompatible lifestyles.

[InHouston]

No rebuttal, InHouston. I'll just underscore a few your own issues:


...property, dignity, and pride are all ruined when you tangle up with such a girl...


when it comes to mates, you have to fit them into the neat little boxes and categories...

So your wife (or future wife) earns your trust by fitting nicely into the wife-box. That should make her happy. What category should she fit you into, "cornball" or "loser"?

Oh no Trish. I'd love to have a wife that sucks dick for a living. You're such a dumbass. :roll:

[salvador]

Sex is never kid stuff.

It is from the Dalai Lama's point of view.

My point was to frame the question as one that is always inevitable if you're not a monk. That regardless of the circumstances every relationship hangs on the amalgam of the couples individual motives. In the hierarchy of relationship complexities, sex is not the cardinal aspect.

First there must be a mutual cherishing of the others right to be who and what they are. If that can be accomplished then anything is possible.

[slinky]

No one. NO ONE. NO ONE comes out of sex work unscathed.

[trish]

InHoustin attempts the off-the-point sarcasm:


Oh no Trish. I'd love to have a wife that sucks dick for a living.

I didn’t say you do or should. But your line doesn’t address the point that no woman (no person for that matter) wants to be categorized and placed in a box no matter how sweetly gilded.

Indeed few people can be simply categorized. You generalize about individuals you don’t know, speaking of the cloth from which they’re made. You seem to think that some people are made of base metals whiles others are precious. You seem to think it would take some kind of impossible metaphysical alchemy to transmute one to the other. But people are not as simple and fixed as your comfort requires. People grow and develop. The wife who you place in the little wifey box may someday grow tired of your mediocre expectations. She may surprise you.

Even you can’t be categorized. How many of your friends at the rifle range (who think you’re their kind of guy) are aware of the sexual fantasies you entertain? How many of them know you hang out online at HA? Does your wife? Or, if you’re not married, do you plan to tell your future wife. Are you husband material? From what sort of cloth are you cut? Are you base metal?

In point of fact, all people are made of the same sort of stuff and we’re all of capable of the most surprising things. Our behaviors are not determined by our make-up, our cloth, chemistry or base metal. Rather, our ever evolving make-up is the sum of our experiences and behaviors.

[Tomfurbs]

No one. NO ONE. NO ONE comes out of sex work unscathed.

That is very true. But does that mean that a relationship will never work with someone with that kind of history?

Bear in mind few people comes through 'Life' unscathed.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I have a boyfriend and we love each other very much. He knew what I did in the beginning and he respects that. He chooses not to partake with others, but he realizes I do porn for and adult work for money. He knows that my heart is always with him and no other.

I think people put too much weight on sex and less on how you connect in a realationship, and how you only think of how happy you are to have that person in your life to SHARE.

[slinky]

In point of fact, all people are made of the same sort of stuff and we’re all of capable of the most surprising things. Our behaviors are not determined by our make-up, our cloth, chemistry or base metal. Rather, our ever evolving make-up is the sum of our experiences and behaviors.

I agree, but I think you underestimate the indelibility of the experience of sex work.

[slinky]

That is very true. But does that mean that a relationship will never work with someone with that kind of history?

You'd have to ask my SO.

[LTR_Seeker]

If a woman wanted to truly settle down & have long term one she would havbe to stop escorting & no films photoshoots diffrent things that are okay

[slinky]

I have a boyfriend and we love each other very much. He knew what I did in the beginning and he respects that. He chooses not to partake with others, but he realizes I do porn for and adult work for money. He knows that my heart is always with him and no other.

I think people put too much weight on sex and less on how you connect in a realationship, and how you only think of how happy you are to have that person in your life to SHARE.

And there isn't anything which you can say which will ever convince people who haven't been in this type of relationship that it's possible. They just will never "get it". (although I'd quibble with the semantics of the wording of the "He knew what I did in the beginning and he respects that", changing it to "He knew what I did in the beginning and he respects my right to make choices").

[Tomfurbs]

That is very true. But does that mean that a relationship will never work with someone with that kind of history?

You'd have to ask my SO.

Fair enough. And congrats.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I have a boyfriend and we love each other very much. He knew what I did in the beginning and he respects that. He chooses not to partake with others, but he realizes I do porn for and adult work for money. He knows that my heart is always with him and no other.

I think people put too much weight on sex and less on how you connect in a realationship, and how you only think of how happy you are to have that person in your life to SHARE.

And there isn't anything which you can say which will ever convince people who haven't been in this type of relationship that it's possible. They just will never "get it". (although I'd quibble with the semantics of the wording of the "He knew what I did in the beginning and he respects that", changing it to "He knew what I did in the beginning and he respects my right to make choices").Thank you Danny. He looks at it, he knows I want to have surgeries to finesse my look even more. He knows how unhappy and depressed I get sometimes over my looks. He knows that this is a fast way I can get the looks and be happy. He also know that at the end of the day its a job to me, so later in life we can put it behind us.

[trish]

Danny writes:
I agree, but I think you underestimate the indelibility of the experience of sex work.

Not at all. I think the sex work introduces a multitude of problems that make relationships difficult. But I don't think a ho is a ho and is never "meant" (whatever that means) to be wife "material". I don't think it makes any sense to speak about the cloth from which a person is cut. I don't think there are "good time girls" and then the ones you marry. There are people. They work, they play, they interact in unpredictable patterns.

[slinky]

He also know that at the end of the day its a job to me, so later in life we can put it behind us.

I wouldn't overestimate how easily this will done.

[SemperFiGuy]

Sweetheart, show me 1000 cases and I'll give you 1000 answers. Only YOU know what coudl work for YOU.

I have a working girl who has become very much a friend, and I make her horny, so no money changes hands. With her career, their are many times where she isn't interested also, but it's her company and companionship that matters to me. But I'll be honest, in my case, it's not going "there" as in true love and lifelong togetherness, not on either side. We just enjoy each day we are able to share for what it's worth, being grateful for what we do have, and not worrying about what we don't.

[TsVanessa69]

I have a boyfriend and we love each other very much. He knew what I did in the beginning and he respects that. He chooses not to partake with others, but he realizes I do porn for and adult work for money. He knows that my heart is always with him and no other.

I think people put too much weight on sex and less on how you connect in a realationship, and how you only think of how happy you are to have that person in your life to SHARE.

And there isn't anything which you can say which will ever convince people who haven't been in this type of relationship that it's possible. They just will never "get it". (although I'd quibble with the semantics of the wording of the "He knew what I did in the beginning and he respects that", changing it to "He knew what I did in the beginning and he respects my right to make choices").Thank you Danny. He looks at it, he knows I want to have surgeries to finesse my look even more. He knows how unhappy and depressed I get sometimes over my looks. He knows that this is a fast way I can get the looks and be happy. He also know that at the end of the day its a job to me, so later in life we can put it behind us.
See sis it seems we are on the same page, and you are so lucky that you found a great guy who accepts and respects you and the decisions you have made in your life. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping my situation will work out too

[TsVanessa69]

No one. NO ONE. NO ONE comes out of sex work unscathed.
Very true, I feel the emotional scars already.

[goldensamba]

KOH765 spews,

a ho is a ho and a jump off is a jump off.. They are nothing more and are never meant to be wifey material.. . Only cornballs and losers turn washed up hoes into wives...

and InHouston follows,

There are "good time girls", and then the ones you marry. Know the difference.

Spoken like true cornballs and losers. I see... it has nothing to do with matters of trust, mutual respect and love, it’s just a matter of crudely putting people in their places. The usual business of assigning them neat little boxes and categories: ho, good time girl, housewife. That way you don’t have to think or treat people like the real complex human beings. Caution: this way lies deep dissatisfaction. There is no love in your future, just copulation, kids and cages.

And you're deluded. There is too much at risk when venturing into a serious relationship with a girl who's occupation is to entertain men. Hearth, home, children, finances, property, dignity, and pride are all ruined when you tangle up with such a girl who tears it all down because some knucklehead she met one night, who contributed nothing of the aforementioned to the relationship, ends up sleeping with her. A man who is serious about family life does not want his woman and the mother of his children to strip, lapdance, fuck, blow, or even flirt with other men, regardless of how she may justify it. And yes, when it comes to mates, you have to fit them into the neat little boxes and categories that will assure the both of you that you can depend on each other to build a life together. Get a clue.

Now comes Trish's ridiculous rebuttal.


I would have to agree with the part about who you want ot be the mother of your kids. Like I said before I don't really understand why moe girls don't just get regular jobs. Most of you are hot girls and no one would know you are TG anyway so why keep up the night job? I keep reading these posts about how people want on regular guy but you won't get one as long as you are in the business. Not the one you want anyway.

[goldensamba]

Its all about boundaries and what you define as "okay" ... not everyone was raised the same.

I am not sure that people raise their kids to grow up and not pay for sex. My parents definitely didn't raise me to do sex work. However they did make a clear mistake on my education and making sure I was to grow up and have a career.

My dad was an engineer, my grandfather wrote several books on the subject. I have a huge inclination to draw, plan and execute home projects, but I was never given the basics of a home education and the importance of having a plan and goals.

My parents were too busy fighting, abusing me, yelling, causing drama, etc... They had no time to give me the attention I truly needed.

I left home when I was 17 so I can get away from their abuse cycle. I had to learn everything on my own. I went on the only road I knew... The easiest road to get me to where I wanted to go. Without any guidance it was the only road I felt safe traveling down on.

It doesn't matter if you do sex work or if you are a lawyer. I think being a lawyer is a lot more of a dirty job then being a sex worker.

Being in the sex business you learn how to give others pleasure and to treat them the way they pay and expect to be treated, which usually means they don't get it else where.

Many people have a very twisted view on the job of an Escort, but I am basically a psychiatrist most of the time. I talk to my clients, I am their friend, I make them smile, I provide them a very special escape from the lives they feel pressured on living based on the same values that are placed over my head.

The same people who have "high morel values" are the ones who these clients want to escape from. There is certain expectation from my part if I am providing my clients with that atmosphere. They seek me for that mostly, and for most, paying ensures their discretion and disconnection from the responsibility to another human being.

It is not always a dirty and gross job to have. I am well respected, men love me ( to a certain extent ) take care of me, appreciate my time, spoil me, and allow me to guarantee myself a good future, which is just what I am doing.

There is nothing wrong with providing someone pleasure and a smile. I guess you can call me Geisha. I am an entertainer and I do not consider myself a whore.

Some lawyer on the other hand, are trained to protect criminals and get them out of crimes I myself would not even dream of committing. Lawyers can sometimes get money from people who get in car accidents and falsify claims. It's a very dirty job. Not for all but most.

"Morals" may apply to the those who do not have respect for others. I consider myself a woman with morals, and respect for human life, goals, self worth, love, happiness etc...

Why should I be judged by those who claim moral values when they use the excuse to belittle others? That to me is a dirty game.

My best friend Felicia Katt whom I respect very much, is someone with tremendous moral values and a person that I admire quite a bit. She reminds me when I get down on myself that what I do brings happiness to others and not sorrow. It makes me smile and helps me to continue to see other great parts of my soul, as opposed to focusing on what society expects my moral values to be.

There is no such thing as a collective moral value. Your values are individual to you only.

I am definitely not a bad person or less worthy of love because of my past. And if a man or his family may think so, why would I want to be around them? Even if I wasn't an adult entertainer, in my book, that is some fucked up shit to do to someone.

Your childhood and mine sound very similar. I think although it helps when parents are involved and teach you about goals and career paths, education, etc. in the end it's up to you. I lived m 17th year on a park bench but ended up going to one of the top colleges in the country and bulding a career with a 6 digit income. On the other hand I have a sister who has 8 kids and no educatiion and always bordering on homeless. It's all about your strength of character and will to survive. Some people are born survivors and some are not. Obviously you did alright no matter what choices you made. You are alive and thriving and successful in your own right which is more than I can say for a lot of others who come from similar backgrounds as we do and use that as an excuse for being a leech on society.

I have great respect for anyone who makes thier way to be sucessful on thier own no matter how they do it as ong as they are not hurting others. But.......I'm not sure that makes them relationship material.

[werwt22]

I would never trust a whore

LMAO sad but true

[Justawannabe]

Kelly wrote about the idea of her and her boyfriend being okay with it as part of a job that would eventually be put behind them after she achieves all the medical intervention she wants.

I worry whenever I hear this, in part because plastic surgery is often addictive, more so for the trans ladies I've met. In part because if the work really is lucrative, it will be hard to just decide to stop making that money. Not much pays so well per hour.

My current ex- went into the business, and we're talking about maybe getting back together... it's tough call for me... not so against pictures, but doing stuff with others is hard on me, but I really need to feel my partner values me and wants to give me something no one else can get. She says she just need to pay a few bills... but will she give it up for a more regular job... hard to say.

Sean

[TsVanessa69]

Kelly wrote about the idea of her and her boyfriend being okay with it as part of a job that would eventually be put behind them after she achieves all the medical intervention she wants.

I worry whenever I hear this, in part because plastic surgery is often addictive, more so for the trans ladies I've met. In part because if the work really is lucrative, it will be hard to just decide to stop making that money. Not much pays so well per hour.

My current ex- went into the business, and we're talking about maybe getting back together... it's tough call for me... not so against pictures, but doing stuff with others is hard on me, but I really need to feel my partner values me and wants to give me something no one else can get. She says she just need to pay a few bills... but will she give it up for a more regular job... hard to say.

Sean
Trust me baby when I tell you, when we meet a good guy as you seem to be, we value you and appreciate you more than you realize

[SarahG]

Most of you are hot girls and no one would know you are TG anyway so why keep up the night job? I keep reading these posts about how people want on regular guy but you won't get one as long as you are in the business. Not the one you want anyway.

Related:

Did you know our wonderful social security administration went around the past two years outting tgirls who were working in stealth?

Yup, they put filters on their databases so the stuff employers submit for SSA related stuff would red flag anyone whose information on the file at the SSA differs from what is being sent to the SSA.

Once that happens, they send your employer a "gender no match" letter telling your employer that their records are not correct and need to be changed.

Last I read, unless you mislead the SSA, they require SRS to change your gender on file- at least if playing things by the way the feds want you to do it. I talked to the SSA workers at the federal building I went to back when I had my name changed, and they echoed what that state's DMV said- srs is required and they needed not just a surgeon letter, but the surgery notes (so much for medical record privacy). They could have misunderstood the requirements, I am sure, but srs was according to the horse's own mouth what was needed.

SS cards don't (at least mine doesn't) show your sex status on file with the SSA, so if your DL is in order your employer would otherwise never know (if you pass). Now some employers will terminate your ass for lying on company paperwork, especially the stuff that's used in dealing with the feds. So you're outted, your employer knows, and you maybe out of your job -and that termination would stand even under discrimination laws.

Also alot of employers are gonna call you out if you show up and have a blank resume from the past _ years of working off the books. If you pay your taxes you can use that you're an entertainer as a response and depending on the employer may not be an issue. In some cities (Philly is one) you have to be licensed just to be a dancer within city limits... might not be great on your resume if you're going for that 2nd grade school teacher position, but it may not be a prob for some other jobs.

Worst case is gonna be the unpassing girl whose been working off the books for 20 years, has no education, no resume, no degrees, and no experience. I know ggs who have spent 20+ yrs working as dancers in shady low end cash only bars, they can't even get a job bagging groceries for min wage at your local grocery store.

[TsVanessa69]

My love interest lives in new Jersy,has decided to come to see me here in Chicago and spend some quality time getting to know me and see where and how I live. I will be flying in to NYC as I do every year, for Thanksgiving, where I will go to the Bronx and meet his sister, as his mother has passed and his father abandoned them when he was very small. I have already talked with his sisters and his neices on the phone. The little girls, are very anxious to meet me, as they have seen my myspace page. I don't know if they fully understand yet or not.

[Teydyn]

Just as i said earlier, good luck to you.

It CAN work.


My wife is a TS, a bit older then me, works as an escort and we are together for 6 years now, married for almost 1. I have no problem with her work, as i know she loves me.

If you love someone, you love her. No questions asked.
Now you just need to be strong enough to be true to yourself.

When we first met, i told her "All my friends will accept you".
And all my friends did.
The ones that didnt werent my friends...

[TsVanessa69]

Just as i said earlier, good luck to you.

It CAN work.


My wife is a TS, a bit older then me, works as an escort and we are together for 6 years now, married for almost 1. I have no problem with her work, as i know she loves me.

If you love someone, you love her. No questions asked.
Now you just need to be strong enough to be true to yourself.

When we first met, i told her "All my friends will accept you".
And all my friends did.
The ones that didnt werent my friends...
Thank you. I'm hoping for the best.

[tstv_lover]

Good luck Vanessa.

I have had a long-term relationship with a girl that used to be an escort, but stopped before we met. She was open about her past and that was fine with me - it was what she did to earn money and in the past. I don't think I could enter into a LTR with TS girl who was still an escort. I give myself 100% to a relationship and, while I can intellectually differential between a girl having sex for money and making love, I'd find the emotional aspect of this arrangement tough to handle. So, from a selfish perspective, I don't think it could work.

I have huge respect for those who have made this arrangement work.

Like I say, good luck Vanessa. Any guy that reaches your heart must be a special guy and incredibly fortunate.

[BlkJewels]

I think the survey is flawed. Maybe my logic is also, but I don't believe an escort is a ho. Escorting is a bizness, and has nuthin 2 do with how 1 lives their everyday life.
I believe sum who escort may feel low on themselves, so they settle 4 less in a mate which, is the recipe 4 a bad relationship. But if u do u, don't worry what folks think and be proud of yourself, that's all that matters.
Good Luck in your relationship. Dude's got gr8 taste...

[TsVanessa69]

I think the survey is flawed. Maybe my logic is also, but I don't believe an escort is a ho. Escorting is a bizness, and has nuthin 2 do with how 1 lives their everyday life.
I believe sum who escort may feel low on themselves, so they settle 4 less in a mate which, is the recipe 4 a bad relationship. But if u do u, don't worry what folks think and be proud of yourself, that's all that matters.
Good Luck in your relationship. Dude's got gr8 taste...
I worded it so more members could comprehend what I was trying to ask.

[PapiBear]

Hey V,
I think we're missing the elephant in the room here: do you think of yourself as a "ho"? Do you know in your heart of hearts that you're an amazing catch?

Do you appreciate yourself for all the pleasure you bring to your clients? Do you celebrate how you break down barriers by taking scared guys and opening a whole new world for them? Do you wake up each morning knowing that you rock, and that you serve an important place in this world?

Because, if you walk into a relationship knowing that you are wonderful-on-a-gold-platter, then you will be this amazing magnet generating more juicy, delicious, oh-my-god-to-die-for brilliant lava-love.

In fact, you'll have so much coming at you that you're head will swim. Then you can slow things down and take the time to really get to know these guys--find the one who makes you feel more like you than you ever imagined, the one who would just love to introduce you to his parents, the one whom you love to talk to so much that sex is just frosting on the cake. (mmm, frosting.)

You can meet a great guy anywhere, yes, even among your clients. First step: take a long look in the mirror and smile at the embodiment of pure awesome looking back.

Know what I mean?

[daleach]

It is possible but, it is hard.

I tried for a while. I had a thing going, on and off, with a girl for a number of years. I met her as an escort and we developed a friendship and from that a relationship. But, her work did put a strain on us. I really loved her, I still care for her but, in the end she proved herself untrustworthy. I think it can work, there are guys who can except you for who you are, just be open and honest with each other and you have a chance.

[voy4her]

im open enough to date a tgirl, although i havent. But i couldnt date a working girl, gg or tg. For what its worth.

[domme]

It boils down to one thing:

Is your guy ready to see you (as in hear about, and in all possibility even visually see you) hanging around with other guys ... Knowing fully well that its gonna be a sex bling.

I think its a gross oversimplification by saying that escorting etc is just plain business.
Yes its a business. But its a business which deals with sex.

Your guy not connecting sex (within your relationship) and love, and not being possesive in love as well as sex might be a one in million possibility. Lucky you in that case.

[busventinc]

Personally if you are open and honest with each other and truly love and or care about your partner then things should work out themselves I would like to find that one day and I know it is very difficult because a lot of the girls are in the sex industry not all but many and have had my experience dealing with that situation but the ladies I have dated rather not tell the truth and be open and honest about it. they where to afraid to tell me they thought they loose me but they lost me due to the fact they where not honest from the beginning and me being an open person they did not give me the chance to either except what they do or not to except it because I do understand things are rough for everyone these days but to be honest with some one does not hurt what is there to loose at least you have expressed who you are and that is what most Ts women I have had an relationship want anyways. So if any TS women are reading this I am making a plea that is what I am trying to find

I am
33 yrs of age
5'11"
259 lbs yes I am losing weight little by little and you would have to except that
I am Puerto Rican
Live in Queens NY
Single
No children
In the IT field
Also Dj Cook Read likes movies and into sports
I am what I am and if someone wants something real then let me know but if you are out to play games then I am not for you and move on I understand we have to find love but sometimes it finds you and you have to be strong enough to one learn how to manage that and two be honest with yourself cause if you are not then no one will be with you

Vanessa if you truly care and or love the guy give it a shot cause he is willing to see and except who you really are cielo
Sincerely Teddy

[SXFX]

as a good friend once said
You can allways turn a bad girl good but you can't ever turn a good girl bad.
I would have no problem dating an escort.

[TsVanessa69]

Personally if you are open and honest with each other and truly love and or care about your partner then things should work out themselves I would like to find that one day and I know it is very difficult because a lot of the girls are in the sex industry not all but many and have had my experience dealing with that situation but the ladies I have dated rather not tell the truth and be open and honest about it. they where to afraid to tell me they thought they loose me but they lost me due to the fact they where not honest from the beginning and me being an open person they did not give me the chance to either except what they do or not to except it because I do understand things are rough for everyone these days but to be honest with some one does not hurt what is there to loose at least you have expressed who you are and that is what most Ts women I have had an relationship want anyways. So if any TS women are reading this I am making a plea that is what I am trying to find

I am
33 yrs of age
5'11"
259 lbs yes I am losing weight little by little and you would have to except that
I am Puerto Rican
Live in Queens NY
Single
No children
In the IT field
Also Dj Cook Read likes movies and into sports
I am what I am and if someone wants something real then let me know but if you are out to play games then I am not for you and move on I understand we have to find love but sometimes it finds you and you have to be strong enough to one learn how to manage that and two be honest with yourself cause if you are not then no one will be with you

Vanessa if you truly care and or love the guy give it a shot cause he is willing to see and except who you really are cielo
Sincerely Teddy
Well I am hoping for the best. We both have been hurt so much in the past. We came into the relationship with ALL our cards laid out, no lies and no secrets. Even if it was someting the other person may not want to hear, we laid everything on the line, and all in all have decided to give this a try.
Its also my first time dealing with a guy open about not being straight. No I'm not saying he is gay, just unique i guess. See Julius does not like pussy. But Julius does not like men. Julius likes and dates transexuals exclusively. Which is proving to me that labels are only for clothes.
It also eliminates the problem Ive had in the past, of men cheating on me wit GG's. The funny thing is most of his friends are gay men, tops. Weird huh?

[TsVanessa69]

as a good friend once said
You can allways turn a bad girl good but you can't ever turn a good girl bad.
I would have no problem dating an escort.
Oh, Ive seen good girls gone bad!

[yx]

Oh, Ive seen good girls gone bad!

Oh, they definitely exist. I've seen a few. It isn't always pretty... and sometimes neither is the girl herself :P (I have that innocent looking fish eyed girl in mind... she always creeped me out)

[jimbobw2]

When hookers and strippers make the ultimate decision to cross over to the dark side and sell their bodies they are ultimately selling their souls. Once this is done they lose their dignity and self respect. What usually follows is a drug problem to bury the thought of selling their bodies and respect to some disgusting pig in order to pay the rent and other items wanted. Bottom line is that hookers and strippers are incapable of having a normal relationship. So if you are a hooker in a relationship I guarantee you no matter how much your guys says he approves of your profession, deep in his mind when you go off to work, he has a vision of the one he professes to love getting it on with some stranger. Think about it…

[Tomfurbs]

I said this earlier, and so did Trish in so many words.

People do not fit in your cosy little boxes. Everyone is different.

You can get men and women who have lived so-called 'straight, good' lives who are total nightmares. It is not a forgone conclusion that sex-work will present insurmountable problems for future relationships (there will be problems, no doubt). By the same token, there will be people who can manage relationships with sex workers.

Not everyone thinks about women (or men) with the same reductive whores - good time girls - wifey material bullshit.

[TsVanessa69]

When hookers and strippers make the ultimate decision to cross over to the dark side and sell their bodies they are ultimately selling their souls. Once this is done they lose their dignity and self respect. What usually follows is a drug problem to bury the thought of selling their bodies and respect to some disgusting pig in order to pay the rent and other items wanted. Bottom line is that hookers and strippers are incapable of having a normal relationship. So if you are a hooker in a relationship I guarantee you no matter how much your guys says he approves of your profession, deep in his mind when you go off to work, he has a vision of the one he professes to love getting it on with some stranger. Think about it…
Thats a motherfucking LIE!!!!!!!!!!!
I have NEVER lost my dignity or self respect, NEVER had a drug or alcohol problem either. I smoke weed, thats it, and only on ocasion.
I pay my own bills, have a lovely home, good credit and all. You and those sterotypical remark disgust me.
I disagree that we are incapapable of a normal relationship. I knew a FEW girls who do, and its going well. Yes it is RARE but NO it is not impossible.

[trish]

We’re not the one’s on the dark side, jimbo. We’re not the Darth Vader’s here. We’re not the one’s accusing others of being unworthy, soulless or being cut of coarse cloth. You’re the one encumbered with shame. You claim not? You claim you’re proud of what you are and proud of your opinions. Then why don’t you go tell your family how you just put some “hookers and strippers” in their places at this transsexual web site call Hung Angels. Why not send the whole family the link. Your drinking buddies too. We’d be happy to have them.

[slinky]

as a good friend once said
You can allways turn a bad girl good but you can't ever turn a good girl bad.
I would have no problem dating an escort.

I would say exactly the opposite.

[trish]

I'd say that if you think in terms of "good girls" and "bad girls" instead of behaviors with which you personally have issues, then you're going to continue to have unresolved issues. If you don't want to marry an escort, fine...don't. No one here says you should or that you should want to. But denigrating another's worth or character for practices they perform with consenting adults, whether they're paid or not, is just symptomatic of profound insecurity.

[daleach]

We’re not the one’s on the dark side, jimbo. We’re not the Darth Vader’s here. We’re not the one’s accusing others of being unworthy, soulless or being cut of coarse cloth. You’re the one encumbered with shame. You claim not? You claim you’re proud of what you are and proud of your opinions. Then why don’t you go tell your family how you just put some “hookers and strippers” in their places at this transsexual web site call Hung Angels. Why not send the whole family the link. Your drinking buddies too. We’d be happy to have them.

awe snap, awe snap
:claps

[jimbobw2]

When hookers and strippers make the ultimate decision to cross over to the dark side and sell their bodies they are ultimately selling their souls. Once this is done they lose their dignity and self respect. What usually follows is a drug problem to bury the thought of selling their bodies and respect to some disgusting pig in order to pay the rent and other items wanted. Bottom line is that hookers and strippers are incapable of having a normal relationship. So if you are a hooker in a relationship I guarantee you no matter how much your guys says he approves of your profession, deep in his mind when you go off to work, he has a vision of the one he professes to love getting it on with some stranger. Think about it…
Thats a motherfucking LIE!!!!!!!!!!!
I have NEVER lost my dignity or self respect, NEVER had a drug or alcohol problem either. I smoke weed, thats it, and only on ocasion.
I pay my own bills, have a lovely home, good credit and all. You and those sterotypical remark disgust me.
I disagree that we are incapapable of a normal relationship. I knew a FEW girls who do, and its going well. Yes it is RARE but NO it is not impossible.

So you sell your ass and expect to have a normal relationship while you continue to sell your ass? I say that is not possible.

[jimbobw2]

We’re not the one’s on the dark side, jimbo. We’re not the Darth Vader’s here. We’re not the one’s accusing others of being unworthy, soulless or being cut of coarse cloth. You’re the one encumbered with shame. You claim not? You claim you’re proud of what you are and proud of your opinions. Then why don’t you go tell your family how you just put some “hookers and strippers” in their places at this transsexual web site call Hung Angels. Why not send the whole family the link. Your drinking buddies too. We’d be happy to have them.

What I said was that when you sell your ass that makes you damaged goods. You maybe worthy, but you are damaged. Stop being a drama queen with all your accusations.

[yx]

So you sell your ass and expect to have a normal relationship while you continue to sell your ass? I say that is not possible.

And yet some people in that situation have successfully managed to maintain a good relationship.

Just because many people wouldn't be able to (me included) for whatever reason doesn't mean nobody can.

What is normal anyway? Does such a thing as normality even exist in human relations?

[trish]

jimbo complains he's been misrepresented:

What I said was that when you sell your ass that makes you damaged goods. You maybe worthy, but you are damaged. Stop being a drama queen with all your accusations.

This is what you said, jimbo,

When hookers and strippers make the ultimate decision to cross over to the dark side and sell their bodies they are ultimately selling their souls

I'm not the one speaking in dramatic and absolute terms, you are. You're the queen here, jimbo. So have you told your family and friends yet how you've been putting down these whores and strippers at Hung Angels?

[jimbobw2]

jimbo complains he's been misrepresented:

What I said was that when you sell your ass that makes you damaged goods. You maybe worthy, but you are damaged. Stop being a drama queen with all your accusations.

This is what you said, jimbo,

When hookers and strippers make the ultimate decision to cross over to the dark side and sell their bodies they are ultimately selling their souls

I'm not the one speaking in dramatic and absolute terms, you are. You're the queen here, jimbo. So have you told your family and friends yet how you've been putting down these whores and strippers at Hung Angels?

By selling your ass you sold your soul and have absolutely no self-esteem, now you have to live with that. The only guy you make catch is some loser with no self-esteem.

[indeed]

no one wants to date /marry a prostitute unless he is your pimp

[yx]

The only guy you make catch is some loser with no self-esteem.

You mean someone like you?

[trish]

jimbo, in case you haven't noticed, I've got plenty of self-esteem. Have you told your family yet about your HungAngel exploits?

[tstv_lover]

jimbo complains he's been misrepresented:

What I said was that when you sell your ass that makes you damaged goods. You maybe worthy, but you are damaged. Stop being a drama queen with all your accusations.

This is what you said, jimbo,

When hookers and strippers make the ultimate decision to cross over to the dark side and sell their bodies they are ultimately selling their souls

I'm not the one speaking in dramatic and absolute terms, you are. You're the queen here, jimbo. So have you told your family and friends yet how you've been putting down these whores and strippers at Hung Angels?

By selling your ass you sold your soul and have absolutely no self-esteem, now you have to live with that. The only guy you make catch is some loser with no self-esteem.

"Damaged goods" who "sell their soul" looking for "loser with no self-esteem"....are you kidding?

Vanessa and her friends only sell their services because there is huge demand. If she wanted to sell her soul then she'd need to become an attorney.

[trish]

Exactly tstv_lover. jimbo confuses goods with services.

It's a deeper confusion than it seems at first glance. It leads him to devalue people when its their practices he has issues with.


"damaged goods." "selling your ass".


Last I checked, my ass was still back there. :)

[PapiBear]

There's an old expression, "whores make good wives". I'd expand it to whores and waitresses--that is, any woman who is no-nonsense and, at the same time, knows how to make the right person happy (and takes pleasure in doing it), has a tremendous advantage over comon women.

[TsVanessa69]

no one wants to date /marry a prostitute unless he is your pimp
Where do u faggots come up with this bullshit???????????????

[TsVanessa69]

from Susan Miller <susan_miller_in_georgia@yahoo.com>
reply-to susan_miller_in_georgia@yahoo.com

to tsvanessa69@gmail.com

date Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:05 PM
subject Because I escort, am I not relationship material???
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2:05 PM (12 hours ago) Reply


You are not relationship material because you are a no good filthy crazy bitch !!!!

[TsVanessa69]

from Susan Miller <susan_miller_in_georgia@yahoo.com>
reply-to susan_miller_in_georgia@yahoo.com

to tsvanessa69@gmail.com

date Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:05 PM
subject Because I escort, am I not relationship material???
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2:05 PM (12 hours ago) Reply


You are not relationship material because you are a no good filthy crazy bitch !!!!
Funny Susan that you send me these bullshit e-mails and once again you make your faggot ass look stupid.
Bitch I'm in a relationship, now how about you??
Bitches like you get killed and nobody misses them.
I'm waiting for your day to come.

[shortchuter]

from Susan Miller <susan_miller_in_georgia@yahoo.com>
reply-to susan_miller_in_georgia@yahoo.com

to tsvanessa69@gmail.com

date Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:05 PM
subject Because I escort, am I not relationship material???
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signed-by yahoo.com

2:05 PM (12 hours ago) Reply


You are not relationship material because you are a no good filthy crazy bitch !!!!
Funny Susan that you send me these bullshit e-mails and once again you make your faggot ass look stupid.
Bitch I'm in a relationship, now how about you??
Bitches like you get killed and nobody misses them.
I'm waiting for your day to come.

Wow, what a classy individual you are. What I have learned in life is that you always lose credibility when you come off like an uneducated, hateful person that can't turn their head when someone says something negative. I'm not impressed, and certainly your prospective clients aren't going to be when they read this kind of trash. Give me a break.

[TsVanessa69]

from Susan Miller <susan_miller_in_georgia@yahoo.com>
reply-to susan_miller_in_georgia@yahoo.com

to tsvanessa69@gmail.com

date Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:05 PM
subject Because I escort, am I not relationship material???
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signed-by yahoo.com

2:05 PM (12 hours ago) Reply


You are not relationship material because you are a no good filthy crazy bitch !!!!
Funny Susan that you send me these bullshit e-mails and once again you make your faggot ass look stupid.
Bitch I'm in a relationship, now how about you??
Bitches like you get killed and nobody misses them.
I'm waiting for your day to come.

Wow, what a classy individual you are. What I have learned in life is that you always lose credibility when you come off like an uneducated, hateful person that can't turn their head when someone says something negative. I'm not impressed, and certainly your prospective clients aren't going to be when they read this kind of trash. Give me a break.
This is your first post and its obviously made from somebody who invented a new id to talk shit. My clients know who I am and the kind of person I am, thats why they continue to see me. I'm never at a loss for clients, I gain my clientel thru my live stage performances, webcam shows, my personal website and both of my yahoo groups. So do I give a fuck what your faggot ass thinks about my credibility?? my fans and clients on HA will come and see me regardles, and laugh with me at clowns like you and that fake ass bitch sarah! Perspective clients love the fact that I freely speak my mind. And that I put a face to my words, unlike you and sarah who use empty profiles to talk shit to a bitch like me.
I'm not on here for a popularity contest, but truth be known I have MANY fans and clients off HA and am even recognized all over NYC and Chicago.
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh40/ricantransmami/REINAR50478Small.jpg

[slinky]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr16rcSrgDw

[TsVanessa69]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr16rcSrgDw
Cute.
But my boyfriend I don't think is bisexual because he doesn't like pussy, or men. He just likes transexuals.
There goes that whole label thing.

[indeed]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr16rcSrgDw
Cute.
But my boyfriend I don't think is bisexual because he doesn't like pussy, or men. He just likes transexuals.
There goes that whole label thing.
I get labels being a bit weak but, like EVERYONE else on here who likes to be
*exclusively with TS's
*Or dabble with the ocassional TS
we all have one thing in common. being GAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whether or not you are like me who prefers real vagina.

[TsVanessa69]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr16rcSrgDw
Cute.
But my boyfriend I don't think is bisexual because he doesn't like pussy, or men. He just likes transexuals.
There goes that whole label thing.
I get labels being a bit weak but, like EVERYONE else on here who likes to be
*exclusively with TS's
*Or dabble with the ocassional TS
we all have one thing in common. being GAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whether or not you are like me who prefers real vagina.
Gay as in being happy or gay as in being homosexual???

[indeed]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr16rcSrgDw
Cute.
But my boyfriend I don't think is bisexual because he doesn't like pussy, or men. He just likes transexuals.
There goes that whole label thing.
I get labels being a bit weak but, like EVERYONE else on here who likes to be
*exclusively with TS's
*Or dabble with the ocassional TS
we all have one thing in common. being GAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whether or not you are like me who prefers real vagina.
Gay as in being happy or gay as in being homosexual???
I think all of here are gay(homsexuals). Whethere married to a real girl or not.

[TsVanessa69]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr16rcSrgDw
Cute.
But my boyfriend I don't think is bisexual because he doesn't like pussy, or men. He just likes transexuals.
There goes that whole label thing.
I get labels being a bit weak but, like EVERYONE else on here who likes to be
*exclusively with TS's
*Or dabble with the ocassional TS
we all have one thing in common. being GAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whether or not you are like me who prefers real vagina.
Gay as in being happy or gay as in being homosexual???
I think all of here are gay(homsexuals). Whethere married to a real girl or not.
WOW!!!!!!!!! May I ask how you came to that conclusion??

[indeed]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr16rcSrgDw
Cute.
But my boyfriend I don't think is bisexual because he doesn't like pussy, or men. He just likes transexuals.
There goes that whole label thing.
I get labels being a bit weak but, like EVERYONE else on here who likes to be
*exclusively with TS's
*Or dabble with the ocassional TS
we all have one thing in common. being GAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whether or not you are like me who prefers real vagina.
Gay as in being happy or gay as in being homosexual???
I think all of here are gay(homsexuals). Whethere married to a real girl or not.
WOW!!!!!!!!! May I ask how you came to that conclusion??

The conclusion is obvious except the term "gay" seems to be a scarlett letter around here from the TS to the admirer. Everyone should embrace it

[Justawannabe]

How are you defining 'gay'... usually it's being exclusively attracted to people of your own gender (sex for those who don't believe in making the distinction). Most here don't seem to fit that definition very well, though an argument can be made in some technical ways.

Many homophobic people have taken to defining it as anyone who as EVER had the slightest interest in someone of the same gender if male. Genetic girls seem to get a pass on 'experimenting' as long as they eventually settle on a man or stay very hot looking.

'Gay' is a scarlet letter, as society in general has a pretty hostile response to anyone claiming it, and oddly more so towards men who claim it. The most severe insult for many in the first twenty years of life is 'fag', often followed by a beating. So there is some rational behind being a wary of being labeled.

Not saying it should be that way... but denying reality doesn' help either.

Also, while I have often said I am part of that band of the rainbow by default, I rarely find men physically appealing, so using the term for me is misleading to others. Especially as I find genetic women attractive, not just transsexual women. There is sadly just not a good practical term as yet for folks like most on this board.

Just wondering...

Sean

[indeed]

How are you defining 'gay'... usually it's being exclusively attracted to people of your own gender (sex for those who don't believe in making the distinction). Most here don't seem to fit that definition very well, though an argument can be made in some technical ways.

Many homophobic people have taken to defining it as anyone who as EVER had the slightest interest in someone of the same gender if male. Genetic girls seem to get a pass on 'experimenting' as long as they eventually settle on a man or stay very hot looking.

'Gay' is a scarlet letter, as society in general has a pretty hostile response to anyone claiming it, and oddly more so towards men who claim it. The most severe insult for many in the first twenty years of life is 'fag', often followed by a beating. So there is some rational behind being a wary of being labeled.

Not saying it should be that way... but denying reality doesn' help either.

Also, while I have often said I am part of that band of the rainbow by default, I rarely find men physically appealing, so using the term for me is misleading to others. Especially as I find genetic women attractive, not just transsexual women. There is sadly just not a good practical term as yet for folks like most on this board.

Just wondering...

Sean
bi-sexual means in simple terms that you are gay and straight. If you (not you specifically) like TS's you are gay which in a hybrid world can also mean Bi. Plenty of exclusively gay guys go for the more femme guy as oppose to masculine. TS are the extreme. Obviously for a lot of TS it goes beyond being "gay" to being born into the wrong body, however i dont think TS separate themself from being considered gay.

Admirers are guys that like penis just not in the traditonal male package. If they didnt they would go exclusively female.

For me personally I am 99% exclusive to female, yet i like to occasionally get busy with a TS. Thats gay. Im cool with that.

The question I always have had is why do guys like Post Ops? I have a good idea why but I have yet to read it posted.

Also gay is no longer a scarlett letter in society. it may be for the guys kidding themselves and thinking having sex with a TS is straight, but in general we all see how strong the gay community is in the worlds biigest and most important cities

[Tomfurbs]

I was reading Dan Savage's excellent sex column earlier today (Savage Love - check it out, it's awesome), and one of the letters written in reminded me of this thread. I've copied it verbatim below, along with his reply:

My boyfriend and I met nearly three years ago when I was a call girl and he was a guy who wanted to be pegged (a big, big part of my business). We became friends, then partners, and now we've been together for three years. We share a home and we're bringing up my 7-year-old son together. It's the best relationship I've ever been in—he's loving, communicative, patient, supportive, and WAY fun sexually. His dad told me recently that he's never seen his son so happy. He's got a good job, and in addition to being a stay-at-home mom, I occasionally see my old regulars. In fact, we've done a few calls together, for trusted clients who wanted to experience a threesome.

My question is, how common is it for prostitutes and clients to end up together? Of course the business is full of pitfalls, and is not for the timid or directionless, but human beings in proximity do tend to fall in love given the chance… or are we just an anomaly?

Lucky In Love

Sex workers and clients do occasionally fall in love (check out the wonderful memoir Concertina by Susan Winemaker), so it does happen, LIL. But it happens so rarely that I was reluctant to print your letter, as it will give countless johns false hope. But I'm sleep-deprived, so here it is. Congrats on finding the love of (fingers crossed) your life, LIL.

[Nassau]

it can happen

but here is how

1 A very suceccful that falls in love with a guy who money can't support her
that relationship will always fell

2
a very insecure guy shouldn't even try this feat

3
There will have 2 be compromises on both sides and all the bullshit and insecure nonsense has got to go if it will work

[goldensamba]

it can happen

but here is how

1 A very suceccful that falls in love with a guy who money can't support her
that relationship will always fell

2
a very insecure guy shouldn't even try this feat

3
There will have 2 be compromises on both sides and all the bullshit and insecure nonsense has got to go if it will work

Can someone translate this into English for me?

[bklynboy]

Uh no. Everything I have seen from you on this board leads me to believe you'd pick a guy's pocket and take advantage of his kindness. Change your ways, be sincere and honest and the "NO!!!!!!!!!!" goes to a maybe.

[TsVanessa69]

Uh no. Everything I have seen from you on this board leads me to believe you'd pick a guy's pocket and take advantage of his kindness. Change your ways, be sincere and honest and the "NO!!!!!!!!!!" goes to a maybe.
Ok now I know the fuck you did not write that bullshit about me. First of all I NEVER have ever had to pick anybody's pocket, I am blessed with flow from many different directions, if you did pay attention to my posts as you say you did you would know I am a showgirl before anything! Secondly I do webcam, and that brings in a nice amount monthly, and I have a website. I am very active in the TG, Gay and straight community. I volunteer my time to many agencys and I help ts in Chicago get proper hormone care, and co-facilitate a a support group for woman in transition. Ask somebody who has met me in real life, as you are dead wrong about me. So obviously you are a shady ass faggot who just had to jump in my thread to get some shine!
http://www.myspace.com/sexitsmami

[Shadycat]

Uh no. Everything I have seen from you on this board leads me to believe you'd pick a guy's pocket and take advantage of his kindness. Change your ways, be sincere and honest and the "NO!!!!!!!!!!" goes to a maybe.
Ok now I know the fuck you did not write that bullshit about me. First of all I NEVER have ever had to pick anybody's pocket, I am blessed with flow from many different directions, if you did pay attention to my posts as you say you did you would know I am a showgirl before anything! Secondly I do webcam, and that brings in a nice amount monthly, and I have a website. I am very active in the TG, Gay and straight community. I volunteer my time to many agencys and I help ts in Chicago get proper hormone care, and co-facilitate a a support group for woman in transition. Ask somebody who has met me in real life, as you are dead wrong about me. So obviously you are a shady ass faggot who just had to jump in my thread to get some shine!
http://www.myspace.com/sexitsmami
You know the guy is trolling. The best thing to do to a troll is ignore them. They tend to run off when no one bothers to answer, acknowledge them.

[trannybanger]

I take a 5 day weekend, and come back and you are still grinding this out!?! Anyway, Since I see you now refer to yourself as "in a relationship" I will quote myself here in case you missed it the first time... cause this shit is on point!


OK, Am I the only one that thinks this is fucking ridiculous? I apologize if this is brutally honest but, goddamn.

You meet a guy not even a week ago when you come to town to party and sell ass, within days you are calling him your boyfriend? The two of you are discussing him coming to live with you, and how your are going to build hopes and dreams together? On top of everything else, his job is as a young cocksucker? WTF??????

Somebody do a reality check, sounds like two desperate people. Young guys mooch off older women all the time, and to mark a Tgirl that you are familiar with from a porn board seems like a fairly accurate jackpot. Especially when the girl was on this board the week before complaining about her other 4 day boyfriend that used her and how much he hurt her. In reality, this is one person lacking self esteem under the illusion of looking for "love" and another, lacking the same, possibly more looking to take advantage of someone more needy.

Wake the fuck up. If you want a real life, keep it to yourself, don't advertise all your business on the internet. But hell, don't listen to me you have a world of friends here that will support this brilliant decision.

[DirtySouth]

Why is it so hard to give up escorting (after it pays the bills, surgeries, etc.) instead of trying to find a guy to accept the lifestyle? I would think it would be much easier to make a step up and get out of the biz if a relationship is truly desired. Men are territorial. We dont want other men to have what we treasure just because they have $200 in their pocket and horny.

[goldensamba]

Why is it so hard to give up escorting (after it pays the bills, surgeries, etc.) instead of trying to find a guy to accept the lifestyle? I would think it would be much easier to make a step up and get out of the biz if a relationship is truly desired. Men are territorial. We dont want other men to have what we treasure just because they have $200 in their pocket and horny.


I would have to agree with this point. I have often wondered the same thing.

[trish]

I escorted for a while after high school for a few years, mostly to gather the money to continue my transition; but later to finance my way through undergraduate school. I quit the escorting business after a few months of graduate school, for many reasons: mostly the pressures of time and study. I never regretted my sojourn into the business. Indeed, I’m not much of a business woman, but I did learn a great deal about how businesses work as well as about people and how they think and behave. I never considered the business a step up or a step down. I must admit I never was serious about a client. I was careful to keep my personal life separate from my business life.

I’m currently in a long term, mostly monogamous relationship (we’ve swung a few times but found it more hilarious than erotic). We’ve never talked about the “rules and boundaries” of our relationship, I gather most people don’t: it just seemed to work out that Thanksgiving is at my folks house and Christmas at his folks place.

I can readily understand that men are territorial. I can understand a man not wanting to even consider a woman who was once promiscuous for a serious relationship. But that’s a characteristic of the man, not the woman. It’s not the woman who is a step down from the man. Neither is a step down from the other…unless the man insists on judgmentally projecting his insecurities on the morality or the worth of the woman. Then he is the one who just stepped down.

[Prospero]

I figure that getting a long term relationship going with an escort will be tricky - just as getting a long term relationship with a TS girl will be tricky. Put the two together and its a greater challenge, but not one which should be described as impossible. It's down to a whole range of things on both sides. Are we talking about escorting in the past or as an ongoing fact? If its in the past that is easier - though its human nature to be curious about this stuff. The TS bit is also difficult if you haver a family (mom, dad, sisters etc) because getting them to accept a TS as your life partner is gonna be tough (but again not impossible). All in all its a tough one. I've dated a few TS girls and one or two who were escorts. None ended up as my life partner but it was always out there as a possibility.

[bklynboy]

"Ok now I know the fuck you did not write that bullshit about me. First of all I NEVER have ever had to pick anybody's pocket, I am blessed with flow from many different directions, if you did pay attention to my posts as you say you did you would know I am a showgirl before anything! Secondly I do webcam, and that brings in a nice amount monthly, and I have a website. I am very active in the TG, Gay and straight community. I volunteer my time to many agencys and I help ts in Chicago get proper hormone care, and co-facilitate a a support group for woman in transition. Ask somebody who has met me in real life, as you are dead wrong about me. So obviously you are a shady ass faggot who just had to jump in my thread to get some shine! "

Not impressed. Heard it all before. Its just bullshit. Just an excuse. If you were sincere you'd get a real job. There is always a place for people with talent in society. You escort. That's toyr choice. You like most (from what I've read) think they are owed something because you got dealt a bad hand. Big f'ing deal. Join the club. Quit running your mouth, do something about your life and lifestyle and then we'll revisit the situation. Until then you're just a taker like every one else.

[TsVanessa69]

"Ok now I know the fuck you did not write that bullshit about me. First of all I NEVER have ever had to pick anybody's pocket, I am blessed with flow from many different directions, if you did pay attention to my posts as you say you did you would know I am a showgirl before anything! Secondly I do webcam, and that brings in a nice amount monthly, and I have a website. I am very active in the TG, Gay and straight community. I volunteer my time to many agencys and I help ts in Chicago get proper hormone care, and co-facilitate a a support group for woman in transition. Ask somebody who has met me in real life, as you are dead wrong about me. So obviously you are a shady ass faggot who just had to jump in my thread to get some shine! "

Not impressed. Heard it all before. Its just bullshit. Just an excuse. If you were sincere you'd get a real job. There is always a place for people with talent in society. You escort. That's toyr choice. You like most (from what I've read) think they are owed something because you got dealt a bad hand. Big f'ing deal. Join the club. Quit running your mouth, do something about your life and lifestyle and then we'll revisit the situation. Until then you're just a taker like every one else.I don't give a fuck if you are impressed or not. I escort, my man is ok with it and we move on from there. As long as he is kool with it, what you say or think does not make me or break me. My life is what I make of it. Why the fuck do we need to revisit shit? You not my man, not man enough to be my man, do eat mule shit and die

[TsVanessa69]

Why is it so hard to give up escorting (after it pays the bills, surgeries, etc.) instead of trying to find a guy to accept the lifestyle? I would think it would be much easier to make a step up and get out of the biz if a relationship is truly desired. Men are territorial. We dont want other men to have what we treasure just because they have $200 in their pocket and horny.
How about you pay my bills, buy my clothes and feed me yourself. Then I will leave the biz and have a decent realtionship with my man at your expense.

[Legspreader]

I can't fully date an escort or a porn star simply because when we go out in public chances are we might meet some of the clients she's been with which to me would be disturbing. But I can be there for her whenever she needs me.

@TsVanessa: Good luck.

[ANIYAH]

NO YOU ARE NOT :shock: UNTILL YOU QUIT

[TsVanessa69]

I can't fully date an escort or a porn star simply because when we go out in public chances are we might meet some of the clients she's been with which to me would be disturbing. But I can be there for her whenever she needs me.

@TsVanessa: Good luck.
Trust me clients are very discreet. They are not friends. If we see a client in public, its not a hapy reunion, we don't even aknowledge one another

[Justawannabe]

Not sure if that would entirely matter, as it's the anxiety of meeting another person who's intimate with your partner or likely to be soon, that can make you uncomfortable. It never has to actually happen. A bit like the fear of people talking behind your back, whether it happens or not, once you start to think about it, you hear the little snippets everywhere.

In some ways I would find it easier if I knew who they were, so at least I would always know for sure if I was running into a client of my girlfriends.

Another thought is I'm not sure I would want my girl to be reviewed or rated. It's a weird bit of that whole public image thing... I just wouldn't want there to be some mystery when folks meet my SO about what she's really like with me, and that's harder with public hardcore material out there or clients posting reviews.

Not sure that should matter either... and wouldn't stop me dating someone in the industry, but it would be part of the issues involved.

Sean

[bklynboy]

"I don't give a fuck if you are impressed or not. I escort, my man is ok with it and we move on from there. As long as he is kool with it, what you say or think does not make me or break me. My life is what I make of it. Why the fuck do we need to revisit shit? You not my man, not man enough to be my man, do eat mule shit and die"

In English next time. Good for your man. I wish you two the best. Until you gibe it up and stop making excuses, you're still a BS artist and I wouldn't touch you with a 100 foot pole.

[slinky]

Trust me clients are very discreet. They are not friends. If we see a client in public, its not a hapy reunion, we don't even aknowledge one another

When we've got clients' pictures being posted right here on this board, I find the claims of either side being discrete a little hard to swallow.

[baileyandkc]

Waiting on the hard to swallow jokes

[TsVanessa69]

"I don't give a fuck if you are impressed or not. I escort, my man is ok with it and we move on from there. As long as he is kool with it, what you say or think does not make me or break me. My life is what I make of it. Why the fuck do we need to revisit shit? You not my man, not man enough to be my man, do eat mule shit and die"

In English next time. Good for your man. I wish you two the best. Until you gibe it up and stop making excuses, you're still a BS artist and I wouldn't touch you with a 100 foot pole.
I don't give a fuck if you would or wouldn touch me. Who the fuck are you??? Call me what the fuck you want, I still get paid, I still look good, and I still have a man who wants to be in a serious relationship with ME, flaws and all!!!

[TsVanessa69]

Trust me clients are very discreet. They are not friends. If we see a client in public, its not a hapy reunion, we don't even aknowledge one another

When we've got clients' pictures being posted right here on this board, I find the claims of either side being discrete a little hard to swallow.
None of the pics I have ever posted were of my actual paying clients. I have posted pics of assholes and bullshitters, NEVER an actual paying client of mine

[hwbs]

your story reminds me too much of a guy who used to date a girl next door to my gf....he was an escort who dated a ts escort who also had a similar story to what u described ....b4 it was over he had used his story on every girl in our circle including my ex and one of the girls i mess with now.he also slept with all of them...he also had gotten his gf in trouble with the law ...i also think she got stuck in jail ( for a week or so) and he got put away for 6 months....so u always have to be aware of everything going on around u ....

[slinky]

None of the pics I have ever posted were of my actual paying clients. I have posted pics of assholes and bullshitters, NEVER an actual paying client of mine

That's a tautology: you decide that they are assholes and bullshitters and won't see them, and then it's ok to post their pics. It's never ok to post those pics, period (unless, perhaps, a guy has ripped you off and you know it's really his photo because he did this in person and you're posting a warning as a public service, not for your own jollies).

But that's even besides the point: you can't jump up and down saying how discrete you are after posting anyone's pic. You're trying to justify behaviour to claim you don't do it. Well, even if your excuse is valid (which, in this case, I strongly don't think it is), it's still an excuse and doesn't change the fact that you did it. You want to go posting these pics when you think it's justified, you can't then go around telling everyone how discrete you are. You're the poster child for indescrete.

[slinky]

You can call me a faggot now.

[TsVanessa69]

None of the pics I have ever posted were of my actual paying clients. I have posted pics of assholes and bullshitters, NEVER an actual paying client of mine

That's a tautology: you decide that they are assholes and bullshitters and won't see them, and then it's ok to post their pics. It's never ok to post those pics, period (unless, perhaps, a guy has ripped you off and you know it's really his photo because he did this in person and you're posting a warning as a public service, not for your own jollies).

But that's even besides the point: you can't jump up and down saying how discrete you are after posting anyone's pic. You're trying to justify behaviour to claim you don't do it. Well, even if your excuse is valid (which, in this case, I strongly don't think it is), it's still an excuse and doesn't change the fact that you did it. You want to go posting these pics when you think it's justified, you can't then go around telling everyone how discrete you are. You're the poster child for indescrete.
Why thank you, I'm going to do a special phot shoot for HA.
Now if I was not discreet, then why do I continue to see the same guys over and over again.
Why do I not share who I see with other ts.
Why do I cover for them when wives or girlfriends call?
Whenever I have posted a pic I post a story behind the pic.

[TsVanessa69]

You can call me a faggot now.
I'm in a very good mood, my new BF is on the way from NYC, I start a new job on Monday and I have a fun weekend with my new boyfriend before I start my new job, which includes harassing Mimi on stage at market days.

[TsParisBlond]

He pulls coiins, He knows you pull coiins, Hes after Your $$$

[Thatiger23]

You can call me a faggot now.
I'm in a very good mood, my new BF is on the way from NYC, I start a new job on Monday and I have a fun weekend with my new boyfriend before I start my new job, which includes harassing Mimi on stage at market days.

congratz Vanessa

[TsVanessa69]

He pulls coiins, He knows you pull coiins, Hes after Your $$$
Actually you are very wrong. He pullz coinz to give to me. He is coming to Chicago to leave the NYC drama behind him and find a psrt time job so he can enroll in school to become a mechanic. His last girlfriend told him he was stupid for wanting to go to school when he could hustle and make good money. I was happy to hear his plans on making a better life for himself. In the time I have spent with him, he has pulled his own weight. Trust me, I have met NYC hustlers who are only looking for a ts to take care of them, I can say he is not one of those. But, I'm always on guard!

[bklynboy]

"I don't give a fuck if you would or wouldn touch me. Who the fuck are you??? Call me what the fuck you want, I still get paid, I still look good, and I still have a man who wants to be in a serious relationship with ME, flaws and all!!!"

Yeah, whatever. You can dress up a pig and its still a pig. We'll revisit this in the future. My money is that you won't change.

[TsVanessa69]

"I don't give a fuck if you would or wouldn touch me. Who the fuck are you??? Call me what the fuck you want, I still get paid, I still look good, and I still have a man who wants to be in a serious relationship with ME, flaws and all!!!"

Yeah, whatever. You can dress up a pig and its still a pig. We'll revisit this in the future. My money is that you won't change.
If it ain't broke don't fix it!
Your the one with the issue.

[bklynboy]

"If it ain't broke don't fix it!
Your the one with the issue."

Firstly, it is 'you're' and secondly, you need to grow up, drop it and move on. I couldn't give a rat's ass what you think, honestly. I couldn't give a rat's ass who you are with or what you do for a "living". The proof is there, you are not relationship material, period. Make changes and we'll revisit the issue. And you're the one who asked the question, not me.

[blckhaze]

wifey material? dunno. I dont know you on a personal level well enough to say so

relationship material? Also, not sure, but as i believe your still an escort (may be wrong, but just going on that) , you wouldn't be alot of mens first choice. I find it difficult for a man to be 100% comfortable with sharing his woman, especially intimately. Sure, he may say hes cool with it, and act OK with it, but on the inside its probably chewing him up. If you had given up on that lifestyle and hd moved on, I could see a guy saying, past is past. So unless he's getting side action himself or you plan on quitting, iI dont see it workign out too well at the end of the day..

[tsluver247]

You deserve to be happy. Best of luck to you and your new boyfriend.

[TsVanessa69]

"If it ain't broke don't fix it!
Your the one with the issue."

Firstly, it is 'you're' and secondly, you need to grow up, drop it and move on. I couldn't give a rat's ass what you think, honestly. I couldn't give a rat's ass who you are with or what you do for a "living". The proof is there, you are not relationship material, period. Make changes and we'll revisit the issue. And you're the one who asked the question, not me.
1. Then stay the fuck out my post.
2 I'm already in a relationship, so how the fuck am I not relationship material??????
Now go eat mule shit and leave me the fuck alone.
I have a man to enjoy

[bklynboy]

"1. Then stay the fuck out my post.
2 I'm already in a relationship, so how the fuck am I not relationship material??????
Now go eat mule shit and leave me the fuck alone.
I have a man to enjoy"

Vanessa, you really are a loser. Next time don't put it out there. You asked my opinion, you got it.

[Nikka]

OMG 47% vs 52%

[innocentbychoice]

I'm gonna go ahead and revive this 3 year old thread.

So Vanessa did it work out with your boyfriend?

[Infern0]

the poll options are bullshit

you are capiable of love and respect, but I wouldnt date you seriously with that career.

[Ineeda SM]

I couldn't answer the poll question. Neither of the two choices are right or wrong. Of course an escort is capable of love and respect. The second choice is just dumb. It tells everyone that you think of yourself as a ho. This says you have low self respect for your job, and you shouldn't. Escorting is a business, and nothing more. If you are good at it, and enjoy it, then be proud of it. But if you only see yourself as a whore, then that's all you're gonna be. But you are better than that.

But there should be a third choice that says, "YES but only if she quits the escort business forever." I would bet money this would be the most popular answer.

Here is another thread on this forum that should answer the question from the other guy's point of view about dating an escort.

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=54729

[neverforget]

the poll options are bullshit

you are capiable of love and respect, but I wouldnt date you seriously with that career.

exactly. i did it. can not work, once u cross over that line, u enter a world outside of the mainstream that few enter. its a closed world where 90% of relationships are centered in that world. its very difficult to cross back and forth between the 2. the fact that ur and escort is always hanging over the relationship. i could remember times that were magical for her and i, then her phone would go off and the reality would ruin it all. it becomes an addiction. the money just keeps coming in and one just becomes more and more jaded. and all the rationalization in the world does not change the fact of what it is. sex for money. a prostitute. when in a loving caring relationship, 2 build a foundation on respect and devotion to each other. can not happen in that world. an example, come to a family gathering where all are so happy for us. they know shes t/g and is accepted completely. she seems uncomfortable and i ask her whats wrong. a tear in her eye and i know then where she just came from. the overwhelming feeling of sadness can not be put into words. her purse is open and i see the crumpled bills inside. no it can not work. if they say otherwise they are just fooling themselves. and guys if u find out shes an escort, walk away. believe me walk away. love can not conquer this. if i offended anyone, im sorry.

[BigDF]

Housewife? WTF are you people talking about? Welcome to the 21st century, folks, housewives pretty much left us back in the '80's. Show me a relationship where both parties don't work outside the home and I'll show you a pair of folks who are independently wealthy and probably bored stiff.

Lovely to see that the good old double standard crosses generational and sexual boundaries. All you guys bitching about not willing to have a relationship with an escort because she works as a sex worker are monogamous, right?:bs:

[thx1138]

Vanessa: is your boyfriend ok with being a cabron?

[FreddieGomez]

I'm gonna go ahead and revive this 3 year old thread.

So Vanessa did it work out with your boyfriend?

Mimi Plastique said he turned out to be a liar and a moocher...

[Tika]

Call me lazy for not wanting to read through 20 pages of drama and craziness, but did anyone ask the corollary question? "Can a man who sees escorts still be a good partner?"

For those of you who escort, would you be okay with your man regularly paying for sex with other escorts?

[Jackal]

tika is lazy. Would anyone want a lazy partner?


***Just pulling your leg ;)

[innocentbychoice]

Call me lazy for not wanting to read through 20 pages of drama and craziness, but did anyone ask the corollary question? "Can a man who sees escorts still be a good partner?"


Well I don't know the answer for that one, but in this specific case, Freddie has the answer:


Mimi Plastique said he turned out to be a liar and a moocher...

[Equalizer]

I had to step out of Kellys Relationship thread, but however I have something to share with the members of the forum.
I have met someone who I thought was a casual fling when I was in NYC for Allanah's birthday bash. I was open and honest about who I was and what I do or have done in the past to survive. The man was man enough to understand me, and today, he ask me to be his woman. Knowing all my truths, he ask me to be in a relationship.
Do you guys think a ts who is in the adult industry and/or escorts is not capable of being a LOVING caring woman to 1 man??????????
I would like girls and guys opinions.
I would also like to ask my sister Allanah, as she is in a relationship, if she could share with me either publicly or privately, her outlook on my situation.

No way id date a ts escort, you have to seperate buisness and personal, and wits escorts its all about buisness.