Cheney and the Oil Bigs Planned U.S. War Policy Before 9/11

[El Nino]

Cheney and the Oil Bigs Planned U.S. War Policy Before 9/11

George Washington’s Blog | July 4, 2008

You may have heard that the Energy Task Force chaired by Dick Cheney prior to 9/11 collected maps of Iraqi oil, Saudi and United Arab Emerates fields and potential suitors for that oil. And you might have heard that the oil bigs attended the Task Force meetings.

But you probably haven’t heard that a secret document written by the National Security Council (NSC) on February 3, 2001 directed NSC staff to cooperate fully with the Energy Task Force as it considered the “melding” of two seemingly unrelated areas of policy:

“the review of operational policies towards rogue states,” such as Iraq, and “actions regarding the capture of new and existing oil and gas fields”.

It is difficult to brush off Cheney’s Energy Task Force’s examination of arab oil maps as a harmless comparison of American energy policy with known oil reserves because the NSC explicitly linked the Task Force, oil, and regime change.

Indeed, a former senior director for Russian, Ukrainian, and Eurasian affairs at the NSC said:

“if this little group was discussing geostrategic plans for oil, it puts the issue of war in the context of the captains of the oil industry sitting down with Cheney and laying grand, global plans”.

[qeuqheeg222]

those energy task force papers are still locked up in court to this day....cheney will die protecting those....

[El Nino]

House Keeping

[Paladin]

OK, this is interesting, because all the libs were screaming we only went into Iraq for its oil, and before last month, I actually thought they were full of it. And, it seemed, that the libs were wrong, because we weren't using any Iraqi oil for operations over there.

But then the the "revelation" that the big US oil companies were negotiating exclusive deals for access to iraqs oil fields, kind of makes me feel somewhat mortified, but with all the recent bs that this administration has been engaged in, it no longer surprises me. And now nino's excerpt, if validated, puts the while thing in perspective.

I hope there's a special place in hell reserved for those rotten b@stards....

[El Nino]

House Keeping

[thx1138]

Iran's oil is next.

[qeuqheeg222]

we are already at the bridge too far...they willl let the isreali's hit that shit with something an we will sit by like stooges......and remember if we send more troops to afghanistan might not really help...nobody has beat those hillbillies....mongols,limeys,ruskies and now our sorry asses..........

[tstv_lover]

we are already at the bridge too far...they willl let the isreali's hit that shit with something an we will sit by like stooges......and remember if we send more troops to afghanistan might not really help...nobody has beat those hillbillies....mongols,limeys,ruskies and now our sorry asses..........

I'm struggling to understand what the current military objective is. Osama Bin Ladan seems to have disappeared as a target, so what does military success in Afghanistan look like?

[plankton]

It's not the oil barons that are the only problem. It's the hippies that say don't drill here or don't drill there. All the while we are are buying oil from people who hate us when we could be producing our own oil. They are sanctimonious and self righteous assholes, both of them.

[trish]

American oil companies already have leases on oil rich lands which they are not drilling. Opening new offshore fields for drilling now will not have an effect on production until 2016. The new sediments need to be explored and evaluated. Platforms need to be designed and built. Wells need to be drilled. All that figures into the cost of the production. So, when those future wells start pumping will domestic prices go down? No. Why? Well one: the projected increase in production will be miniscule compared to the worldwide market. Two: unfortunately, it's the world market that determines the price.



One might wonder, why all the fuss about drilling new wells when right now we export 1.8 million barrels of crude oil, gasoline, diesel, jet fuel and other refined products daily to Mexico, Canada, the Netherlands, Chile and Singapore among others. You don't see U.S. oil conglomerates suggesting we end this practice and make domestic oil available domestically. And rightly so, because that wouldn't lower the domestic prices substantially either.



What we need to be doing now is conserving our petroleum and developing alternative energy sources. If the oil in Anwr is valuable now, think how much more valuable it will be in the future…if it's still there. If we're going to use up the world's oil and we're going to continue to be the jerks and assholes of the world, shouldn't we be using up everyone else's supply first and hoarding our own?



Offshore projects and drilling in Anwr will do nothing to lower our gas prices and at the same time will deplete valuable resources uselessly…unless you consider it useful to put another "dime" in the pockets of the oil companies.

[qeuqheeg222]

yeah you rite trish..i had a friend who worked for amoco in the 90'sin the n.o.l.a. office and right after all of those oil company mergers,said tha t many of these guys decided to cap off many of the oil fields off the louisiana coast until much more profitable..the whole supply vs demand scheme they promote these day is so full of shit...did demand jump that drastically in 2 or 3 months from when oil was 80 or 90 bucks a barrel to the hovering heights of 140 today...no ...look at the speculators and price fixing...chumps.. and maybe you could walk your fat ass to work one or two days a week..........

[thx1138]

The US no longer has any reason to stay in Afghanistan: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/JG30Ag01.html

[hippifried]

The US no longer has any reason to stay in Afghanistan: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/JG30Ag01.html
Never really had a reason for being there in the first place.

[Cuchulain]

'In March 2003, weeks after the invasion of Iraq, war architect Richard Perle resigned from his position on the Defense Policy Board in an attempt to “defuse a controversy over charges he stood to profit from the war in Iraq.”

But that hasn’t stopped Perle from continuing to seek profit from the war. Citing documents and people close to the negotiations, the Wall Street Journal reports today that Perle “has been exploring going into the oil business in Iraq and Kazakhstan.' http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/29/perle-oil/

[thx1138]

Perle's decision was motivated by the fact that most Americans have only a maximum of 2 hour attention spans.

[beandip]

"Iran's oil is next."

Actually you are only partially correct....Iran's oil is secondary to the actual real estate, just icing on the cake.

Zbig has been salivating over the gas feilds in central asia ever since the Carter years. Look at how our US outposts are encircling nearly all of the Trash-can-istans now..... Iran's real estate is the last piece of this 30 year puzzle.

[techi]

I'm struggling to understand what the current military objective is. Osama Bin Ladan seems to have disappeared as a target, so what does military success in Afghanistan look like?

Haha, Osama Bin Laden! He's the same thing as mobile biowarfare weapons labs... a justification for invading countries with good natural resources. They don't want to catch Osama Bin Laden because that would end any existing public support for being over there. And they can't use the mobile weapons lab neocon fairy tale anymore because the public no longer buys into it.

Reason's to be in Afghanistan? Well it is an excellent source of drug money for those in that business(opium). It also justifies US military bases in a variety of central asian countries as well as giving the US bases in Afghanistan itself.

I think the longterm goal in the region is to prevent any central asian energy coridors from developing outside of Western control. Neocon's have used direct attacks/invasions to accomplish this. The alternative seems to be Zbigniew Brzezinksi's covert destabilization and burn down of central asia plan. Zbig wants to destabilize central asian countries and get them to make war with one another. Sort of like the Iran-Iraq war where we sat on the sidelines selling weapons to both sides. One of Saddam's greatest "sins" in the Iran-Iraq war was his unwillingness to pay back all his war debts.

[chefmike]

You're repeating the same BS that the hate Obama crowd and the whole AlexJonestown paranoid geeks say about zbig but you're wrong...

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4034

...he's an asset to this administration and this country...saying otherwise is just more BS like the truther nonsense that you seem to endorse...what next...Bilderbergs and the NWO...

[techi]

You're repeating the same BS that the hate Obama crowd and the whole AlexJonestown paranoid geeks say about zbig but you're wrong...

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4034

...he's an asset to this administration and this country...saying otherwise is just more BS like the truther nonsense that you seem to endorse...what next...Bilderbergs and the NWO...

Chefmike, I've disagreed with the direction of US foreign policy since the end of the cold war. Zbig is MUCH smarter than the neocons but that's not to say that his policy goals are moral.

The article you linked actually highlights my point:
"Zbigniew Brzezinksi: it’s important to the West to see access to the Caspian Sea energy resources and beyond the Caspian to Central Asia."

Really, there's no need to go to conspiracy sites to get this info.... it comes straight out of the mouth of people like of Zbigniew Brzezinksi. A fact that you yourself highlight.

[techi]

Speaking of big oil....

Bandar Bush under house arrest
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=102313&sectionid=351020205

It's good thing that coup was nipped in the bud.... before anything nasty happened to Saudi oil production. And besides, King Abdullah is downright civic minded compared to the rest of the Saudi cleptocracy.

[El Nino]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/03/implosion-goes-wrong-buil_n_249940.html

[hippifried]

I can't get tired of watching that building roll over.
That's what you call well constructed.
By all rights, it should've disintegrated before it did the full 180.

[techi]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/03/implosion-goes-wrong-buil_n_249940.html

Haha, very good El Nino. At least we know now that WTC building collapses weren't the result of bad demolition!

Personally I blame the Turkish building roll on cheap Chinese explosives, they shoulda bought US explosives. :lol:

[El Nino]

Actually Techi, they should have flown a jet into it if they wanted a perfectly symmetrical and executed collapse.. You know, take advantage of some of those novel laws of physics that spontaneously manifested themselves on 9-11!

[techi]

Actually Techi, they should have flown a jet into it if they wanted a perfectly symmetrical and executed collapse!

Yup, that's what the Bush administration always said. And as some people often pointed out, there's no reason to doubt the Bush administraton's careful study of the matter. I mean, why would those guys lie!

[trish]

The building's in fact stood because they were built vertical within incredible tolerances. No plane is going to knock a structure with the inertia of a 110 story building askew. It was thermodynamics and gravity that brought the towers down. The collapse wasn't perfectly symmetrical, it was a vertical fall within tolerance. The laws of physics in effect that day were the same ones in effect 13.7 billion years ago.

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=560476&highlight=#560476

[El Nino]

WTC-7 Trish, WTC-7...

[Rogers]

The building's in fact stood because they were built vertical within incredible tolerances. No plane is going to knock a structure with the inertia of a 110 story building askew. It was thermodynamics and gravity that brought the towers down. The collapse wasn't perfectly symmetrical, it was a vertical fall within tolerance. The laws of physics in effect that day were the same ones in effect 13.7 billion years ago.

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=560476&highlight=#560476

http://www.representativepress.org/BowingDebunksExplosives.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGAoRrBoPRM&feature=PlayList&p=0EA5787F8154537B&index=0&playnext=1

[Rogers]

WTC-7 Trish, WTC-7...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf7Z_I1CAZ4&annotation_id=annotation_933769&feature=iv

[trish]

You referred to the original twin towers, El Nino, in your snarky remark alluding to the laws of physics on 9-11. My response was to that reference. BTW the PIP-Model describes the collapses of both towers within tolerance. Do the math.

Thanks for the links, Rogers. Most helpful.

[fitz207]

Actually Techi, they should have flown a jet into it if they wanted a perfectly symmetrical and executed collapse!

Yup, that's what the Bush administration always said. And as some people often pointed out, there's no reason to doubt the Bush administraton's careful study of the matter. I mean, why would those guys lie!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Rogers]

Thanks for the links, Rogers.

You're welcome, trish. :)

[El Nino]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J8ojEWlkrs

[chefmike]

Thanks for the links, Rogers.

You're welcome, trish. :)

What she said. Thanks for the reality check, Rogers.

[trish]

The towers fell through a series of inelastic collision collapses. The upper segment of each tower literally dropped twelve feet onto the floors below pounding them like two hundred million pound hammers. The falling segments accumulated material, mass and inertia with each drop & collapse. The support beams were under violent stress and sudden strain. They buckled and they sheared. Wouldn’t it be weird if they all sheared horizontally? They didn’t. Wouldn’t it be weird if they all sheared at forty five degree angles oriented inward? They didn’t. What do you think is the most probable angle of shear cleavage? Wouldn't it be weird if there weren't a quite few forty five degree shear cleavages? What your little 38 second clip (with no references to more detailed analysis) doesn’t address, El Nino, is the quantitative distribution and locations of the types of shear cleavages among the debris. Without that data there is no evidence of explosive shaping.

[El Nino]

Puh-lease Trish. Those things were basically built to withstand such an event. Many 1rst responders, fireman, police etc, reported mad explosions. 47 core columns, not matchsticks.

[trish]

Don't pul leeze me Mr. El-not-an-enginino. No building in the world is sesigned to withstand the inertia of a two hundred million ton sledge hammer falling twelve feet directly on top of anyone of its floors. Show me the quantitative description of the distribution of shear cleavages. Without it you've got zilch.

[hippifried]

Well I'm all about the sheer cleavage,

[Rogers]

Puh-lease Trish. Those things were basically built to withstand such an event. Many 1rst responders, fireman, police etc, reported mad explosions. 47 core columns, not matchsticks.

Not the first time a steel framed building collapsed due to fire
http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2007/03/not-first-time-steel-framed-building.html

WTC 7 was severely damaged on the south side of the building and was on fire for about 7 hours
http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2006/09/wtc-7-was-severely-damaged-on-south.html

[Rogers]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J8ojEWlkrs

Trust me, El Nino, the guy at "Representative Press" is right about a great deal of things. He refers to the following link in one of his videos. Sorry I can't find it again. I very much doubt such a fresh cut would survive so much weight falling on it anyway.
Rethinking Thermite
http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

Dishonesty about 9/11 motives robs Americans of the freedom to decide for ourselves if we want to put our lives at risk over specific foreign policies.
http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2006/05/dishonesty-about-911-motives-robs.html

[chefmike]

Dishonesty about 9/11 motives robs Americans of the freedom to decide for ourselves if we want to put our lives at risk over specific foreign policies.
http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2006/05/dishonesty-about-911-motives-robs.html

Yup. And also:

".....the belief in vast conspiracy theories can also be hugely damaging as it distracts people from real issues and keeps them focused on exciting fantasies that make them feel important. The 9/11 truth movement was enormously helpful to the Bush Administration as it provided a giant distraction from the colossal crimes they committed in Iraq and Afghanistan. If their energies had been directed in a positive way, there's a good chance Bush would have been impeached and Dick Cheney thrown in jail. Alas, the 9/11 truth movement dedicated its time to proving the U.S government tried to kill thousands of its own people in exchange for gold/political power."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ben-cohen/why-the-birthers-matter_b_243647.html

[El Nino]

Well Chef, many people that register higher intelligence quotients than yourself, disagree with such a small frame of reference.
Richard Gage, member of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, is interviewed on KMPH Fox 26 in Fresno, California.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssuAMNas1us

[trish]

It has nothing to do with intelligence quotients and everything to do with intellectual integrity. A photo of one or two beams which have sheared at forty five degree angles without anything in the picture to indicate orientation or placement is not proof anything. Some three second sound bites of engineers saying those single sheers are like the ones produced by thermite shaping is not proof or even evidence of thermite shaping. You want evidence, then you need to work for it. You need a theory that predicts the what the distribution of shearing cleavages and their orientations throughout the site would be were the tower brought down by thermite charges. Then you need data enough to construct the actual distribution. If the two don't match within tolerance, you have to throw out the theory. If they do match within acceptable tolerances, then you have some evidence. I haven't seen ANY of this. Without the proper methodology there can be no evidence.

[El Nino]

No Trish, You need proper theory and methodology...
NIST Final WTC7 Report Conclusion
is an Absolute Impossibility. http://tyrannyalert.com/800.html

[trish]

Sorry, there['s] no data for calculating a shear angle and orientation distribution at that site. Try again.

[hippifried]

The first collapse wasn't straight down. The building toppled at the point of impact. That peeled the steel exoskeleton like a banana, breaking the anchors at the outside of the floors. It pancaked down from there.

This blows the conspiracy nonsense out the window, because the planes were being flown by suicidal amateurs. They weren't counting floors. Hell, the second plane almost missed the target altogether. There was nothing preplanned from the inside, & there's no physical evidence to support any such theories or even the questions.

I still think the second collapse was caused by ground liquifaction due to the first collapse. That's a lot of weight hitting the ground. It's like a small earthquake. Difference is that the epicenter is right there & the pressure's from the top instead of the bottom, along the same bedrock strata holding both structures. Concrete can withstand a lot of downward pressure, but it can't take a lot of shear stress. The footings shattered, & the rest of the interior concrete superstructure followed suit. The second collapse was a pancake all the way down. Identical to the damage you see when major earthquakes hit cities.

[techi]

Dishonesty about 9/11 motives robs Americans of the freedom to decide for ourselves if we want to put our lives at risk over specific foreign policies.
http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2006/05/dishonesty-about-911-motives-robs.html

Yup. And also:

".....the belief in vast conspiracy theories can also be hugely damaging as it distracts people from real issues and keeps them focused on exciting fantasies that make them feel important. The 9/11 truth movement was enormously helpful to the Bush Administration as it provided a giant distraction from the colossal crimes they committed in Iraq and Afghanistan. If their energies had been directed in a positive way, there's a good chance Bush would have been impeached and Dick Cheney thrown in jail. Alas, the 9/11 truth movement dedicated its time to proving the U.S government tried to kill thousands of its own people in exchange for gold/political power."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ben-cohen/why-the-birthers-matter_b_243647.html

I disagree with the idea that investigating 9/11 is a "distraction". 9/11 was misused as the catalyst for 2 horrible wars. At this point in time it's not only the issue of what actually happened on 9/11 but also what happened during the 9/11 Commission investigation itself. Did the Bush administration steer or interfere with the investigation to obtain pro-invade Iraq propaganda? Did they hinder investigation of certain individuals(Saudi's) for personal political gain?

Where I think that perhaps the "truther" movement goes in the wrong direction is that they put a lot of emphasis on trying to actually be the investigators. It would be better to focus on the need for a real investigation to take the place of George Bush's Kangaroo investigation.

Also, the term "truther" seems to cover a fantastic amount of ground. There's a wide variety of critics out there, some with very modest critisisms and others with rather wild ones. There's definently some crazy video's on youtube. I remember seeing one claiming that there no planes hit WTC1&2. Of course the video angle is from the wrong side of the buildings so you couldn't see a thing and regardless... my first thoughts were... gee, it's not that hard to edit video these days so why should I beleive this. There's just a tremendous amount of useless stuff like this out there.

What was bad about the 9/11 Commission investigation? For one, it was riddled with conflicts of interest. For starters just look at the Commissions chairman, Thomas Kean.

"Thomas Kean is a director and shareholder of Amerada Hess Corporation, which is involved in the Hess-Delta joint venture with Delta Oil of Saudi Arabia. Hess-Delta was established in 1998 for the development and exploration of oil fields in the caspian region."

Over half of the suspected hijackers were Saudi and our military presence in the caspian region has increased due in part to the events of 9/11. How is it acceptable that Thomas Kean was running the investigation? He should never have been appointed, and having been appointed he should have declined the offer.

And Thomas Kean was the 2nd Commission Chair selected that had significant conflicts of interest. The first selection was Henry Kissinger who stepped down within weeks due to conflicts of interest.

A real investigation into 9/11 is needed. One that isn't lead by a pack of people with clear conflicts of interest.

[El Nino]

The World Trade Towers were designed to survive a collision by a Jumbo Jet.

Frank DeMartini, the Chief Construction Engineer of the WTC complex, gave an interview on January 21, 2001, and spoke confidently regarding the crash-worthiness of the design.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3gt1f_demartini-a-propos-du-world-trade-c

[trish]

I'm sorry, that web-site didn't have the distribution data either. Try again.

[notdrunk]

The World Trade Towers were designed to survive a collision by a Jumbo Jet.

Frank DeMartini, the Chief Construction Engineer of the WTC complex, gave an interview on January 21, 2001, and spoke confidently regarding the crash-worthiness of the design.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3gt1f_demartini-a-propos-du-world-trade-c

It was designed to survive a 707 collision; however, what about the aftermath of the collision? Various variables come into effect (e.g., distortion of the steel by the fire).

[El Nino]

"Various Variables" is right!