Because Ron Paul is nuts, that's why!

[chefmike]

This is for the batshit crazy tinfoil hat wearing members of the lunatic fringe who continue to shill for the demented Ron Paul. Deluded and pathetic pauloholics still mourning for their lunatic savior...you know who you are... :lol:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/16/153755/091

[loki]

This is for the batshit crazy tinfoil hat wearing members of the lunatic fringe who continue to shill for the demented Ron Paul. Deluded and pathetic pauloholics still mourning for their lunatic savior...you know who you are... :lol:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/16/153755/091 I am not batshit crazy "And it's "aircraft aluminum" helmets if you must know!...... Actually i am for daffy duck this time around.

[chefmike]

This post wasn't directed at you, sport. I really couldn't care less if you actually do campaign for daffy duck. It fits you.

[El Nino]

"Lunatic Fringe", "Batshit Crazy", "Ron Paul being and Demented"... Nice psychologically driven inferences and talking points there, bud.

Ron Paul stands for the principles of our once great Constitution. He is a Constitutionalist. Cut and Dry. If you have a problem with that, well, this seems to be your problem, and your loss as far as I'm concerned. His ideas are bullet proof and ultimately, in the end and after the smoke clears, liberty will prevail. Stand up your Bill of Rights, before they are completely eviscerated. If you take issue with the Constitution and those who support it, you should probably move to China or the like....

The answer to 1984, is 1776!!!

[El Nino]

Hey Chef, here's a link, right back at ya.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oI5EY5kqiBU

A funny and quick watch; but man, he is on point. He will be sorely missed..

I know you liked Carlin a lot, so this one goes out to you. Maybe you will listen and learn from him. Or is he "batshit crazy" as well?

[chefmike]

I admire Richard Belzer's talent also, but that doesn't mean that I agree with him on conspiracy theories. The same goes for George Carlin.

[thx1138]

I wonder if all the millions of people who lost (or will lose) their jobs and homes and are now (or will be living) living in tent cities or their cars would change their vote if given another chance.

[El Nino]

They probably would. Dr. Paul wanted to abolish the private federal reserve and have our government print the currency, once again. Thus eradicating the process of US citizens being "loaned" money and hence, removal of the Federal Income Tax, which is a HUGE financial burden. It would be a first step in reducing major debt, but the masses aren't educated (by design of course). So they support bankrolling more warfare, welfare and other tyrannical taxes.

[trish]

Ron Paul stands for the principles of our once great Constitution. He is a Constitutionalist. Cut and Dry.

How can that be when he's against the separation of church and state? If Ron Paul is such a constitutionalist, then why is he against freedom of speech (as when he supports the rights of States to ban flag burning)? If he’s such a libertarian, then why does he defend the rights of states over individuals (as when he supports States that wish to redefine marriage as a contract between a man and a woman)? Why does he think States have rights to a woman's body (he denies their right to choose)?

In the republican debates Ron showed himself to be a laughable cardboard cutout. If he once was a "constitutionalist", then he is no longer. If he once was a "constitutionalist", now he’s an irrepressible whore of state interests and a puppet of the fundamentalists posing as defender of individual liberties. Investigate Ron Paul. INVESTIGATE RON.....oh never mind...he's not worth it.


If you take issue with the Constitution and those who support it, you should probably move to China or the like....

Oh. Lovely sentiment :roll: How very unlike a "constitutionalist"! You should be ashamed, giving such advise. Now I’m all for the constitution, but really … if you find something in it you don’t like, just remember what respectable patriots did in the past. They just fucking amended it…twenty seven times. If you take issue with the Constitution, remember it IS the law of the land. But you don't need to go to China. Stay right where you are and speak your mind.

[El Nino]

Politically speaking Trish, you appear to have absolutely 100%, no CLUE as to who your leaders really are. You are so in the dark it ain't even right. Its not your fault I know, due to deeply ingrained and severely forceful cultural influences, brainwashing and dumbing down of the masses. However, I hope that you will awaken someday and realize that you perhaps, maybe should pay a little more attention to the "man behind the curtain". www.zeitgeistmovie.com is a good overview. Welcome to the rabbit hole beeyatch.

Also regarding Dr. Paul, I am not eager to get into petty arguments about candidates. However if it isn't very clear to you that Dr. Paul offered ideas that would catalyze REAL CHANGE in this nation, and send it on a path of healing, I don't know what else to tell you...

Remember www.zeitgeistmovie.com Once you see it, you won't forget it. No kidding here. Pursue truth, don't be an Obama sheep and fall into the herd mentality. The guy offers no true change.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/hein/hein190.html

[chefmike]

El Nino, don't send me any more PM's, as I'll just delete them before reading like the one from you I found in my inbox today. Thank you.

[Oli]

Politically speaking Trish, you appear to have absolutely 100%, no CLUE as to who your leaders really are. You are so in the dark it ain't even right. Its not your fault I know, due to deeply ingrained and severely forceful cultural influences, brainwashing and dumbing down of the masses. However, I hope that you will awaken someday and realize that you perhaps, maybe should pay a little more attention to the "man behind the curtain". www.zeitgeistmovie.com is a good overview. Welcome to the rabbit hole beeyatch.

Also regarding Dr. Paul, I am not eager to get into petty arguments about candidates. However if it isn't very clear to you that Dr. Paul offered ideas that would catalyze REAL CHANGE in this nation, and send it on a path of healing, I don't know what else to tell you...

Remember www.zeitgeistmovie.com Once you see it, you won't forget it. No kidding here. Pursue truth, don't be an Obama sheep and fall into the herd mentality. The guy offers no true change.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/hein/hein190.html


How very nice that you have embraced the Neo-Con style of debate:

Step 1-Insist that your opponent is misinformed.

Step 2-Constantly denigrate any source of information other than the ones that follow your beliefs. Blame the 'Mainstream Media' for not reporting the 'TRUTH'.

Step 3-Gently tell your opponent that it isn't their fault, that they have been 'brainwashed' by a 'Mainstream Media' which has an ulterior motive.

Step 4-Continually tell your opponent that the 'TRUTH' can only be found in your beliefs, and no other.

Step 5-Do Not Deviate From The Talking Points. Bring every conversation back too the Talking Points

Step 6-When all else fails, insult your opponents intelligence and claim they are willfully remaining ignorant of the 'TRUTH'.

Trish has an advanced degree in science, a well rounded belief structure, is politically savvy and open minded. You, however, have shown yourself to be a one trick pony.

[El Nino]

Ok, just don't say I didn't warn you when this country slips deeper and deeper into tyranny when Obama takes leadership. Gun control, socialized health care, continued warfare, federalization of police, tanking of the US dollar, exponential increasing of taxation, etc etc etc. America is the globalists new hunting ground. I hope you all enjoy your brave new world.

BTW, Way to shoot down the messenger debate subject matter.

[El Nino]

El Nino, don't send me any more PM's, as I'll just delete them before reading like the one from you I found in my inbox today. Thank you.

Sure ya did.

[trish]

I’m just a poor little girl…lost in the world…not knowing what to make of it all. I need someone like Dr. Paul (I can hear the reverence in your voice El Nino, even when I read your words…”Dr. Paul”) to tell me what to think. I will listen to Dr. Paul. I will follow the little blue links to Dr. Paul. Dr. Paul knows all. Dr. Paul knows what I should think; he knows what we should think. Dr. Paul is telling you now what you should think. Think like Dr. Paul, don’t think like those others. Think like Dr. Paul. His thoughts are soooo soothing. Don’t think like those others. Please, think like Dr. Paul. Dr. Paul is wonderful. Dr. Paul is a deep thinker. Don’t think like those others. Think like Dr. Paul. Please don’t think, let Dr. Paul do it. Dr. Paul just wants you drop these little blue crumbs. You must bring others to Dr. Paul.

[El Nino]

Really?

[thx1138]

@ el Nino: you can PM me. I don't delete.

[chefmike]

I’m just a poor little girl…lost in the world…not knowing what to make of it all. I need someone like Dr. Paul (I can hear the reverence in your voice El Nino, even when I read your words…”Dr. Paul”) to tell me what to think. I will listen to Dr. Paul. I will follow the little blue links to Dr. Paul. Dr. Paul knows all. Dr. Paul knows what I should think; he knows what we should think. Dr. Paul is telling you now what you should think. Think like Dr. Paul, don’t think like those others. Think like Dr. Paul. His thoughts are soooo soothing. Don’t think like those others. Please, think like Dr. Paul. Dr. Paul is wonderful. Dr. Paul is a deep thinker. Don’t think like those others. Think like Dr. Paul. Please don’t think, let Dr. Paul do it. Dr. Paul just wants you drop these little blue crumbs. You must bring others to Dr. Paul.LMFAO...it is fucking hilarious how all of the deluded pauloholics refer to him so reverently as Dr. Paul, like that makes him any less of a dangerous lunatic. You can almost picture the poor saps kneeling and kissing Dr. Paul's ring.

[Tomfurbs]

@El Nino

How is socialised health care tyranny?

Over here it just means, if I get run over by a car, I come out of A&E two weeks later without my life sold away in medical bills.

[El Nino]

Socialized helthcare CAN BE tyrranical because the government is in CONTROL of your health to a certain extent. It would be fine if we were governed by angels, but unfortunately... fill in the blank

[Tomfurbs]

Whereas saddling people with crippling debt because they fell ill is not controlling them?

All Conventional Medicine is controlled to some point (Govt legislation, Drug Companies etc.)

The point is, when you are ill, you need the doc, even if you can't pay medical insurance.

[El Nino]

Hey man, the way I see it is the more freedom we have in choices and our lives, the better off we are. These are the very ideals that this Republic was founded and set up for. I live in Massachusetts and got fined $220 for choosing not to have healthcare this year. What kind of liberal fascism is this huh? Funny thing is the MA. politicians call this Universal Health Care. MY ASS! Making me pay for something that might happen to me beforehand. Its bullshit. I'm totally in control of my own health, excluding life saving surgeries, which they're not going to turn you away at the door anyway (yet)...
Criminals...

[Tomfurbs]

Yep, you can chose to live totally independently and free in a cave with only bearskins for clothes and your .44 for comfort.

I bet you'd be screaming for that dreaded Govt aid after a week or so.

I can tell you that the NHS (Universal healthcare) while by no means 'perfect' has saved my ass many a time.

It wans't 'tyrannical' in any way, it was doctors getting paid to save my life/ legs/liver.


yep

[trish]

Hey man, the way I see it is the more freedom we have in choices and our lives, the better off we are.

Except when those choice endanger the lives of others. We don't let people walk down the street wearing a vest of dynamite. Why should we let them carry loaded firearms? I grant there's a distinction. But your credo that freedom is always better denies that distinction. If you and Ron Paul are for freedom of choice in each and every case, why then is he (and you?) against freedom of choice for woman. Isn't it because you're concern is for the life of the fetus? Don't even libertarians believe in reasonable restrictions on freedom. Maximize all freedom is not a good reason for unrestricted gun ownership.


Universal health care on the other hand is not you paying before hand for something that might happen to you. It is rather paying a little bit for something that definitely is happening to someone now. Helping each other out in times of crises is something else this country once believed in.

[El Nino]

OMG Trish. How bitter are you? RP is liberties choice, for so many crucial reasons. Screw these establishment hacks and corporate appointed whores. Long live the Republic

[trish]

Nothing bitter in my last post at all. ?? Just pointing out the naivete' of your little off the cuff maxim. What maximizes one man's freedom may easily infringe on another's. The optimization of freedom for all is the real goal. Nothing bitter about that. And nothing bitter in my espousing the American and family value of helping each other in a crisis.

Sounds to me like you're the bitter one. Calling those you disagree with hacks and whores. I'm sorry you're in such a fearful and agitated state. Calm down and try to enjoy the weekend.

[El Nino]

I'm not worked up, just mildy blown away how you and others don't see the criminal orchestration of it all. I'm talking media, to candidates, to Eugenics operations, to North American Union, etc.

[hippifried]

I live in Massachusetts and got fined $220 for choosing not to have healthcare this year. What kind of liberal fascism is this huh? Funny thing is the MA. politicians call this Universal Health Care. MY ASS! Making me pay for something that might happen to me beforehand. Its bullshit.
I already have a deep depression over this, but I have to agree with Nino on the Massachusetts health "system". It's just compulsory insurance. Forcing people to do business with a third party industry that does nothing but shuffle & gamble money. It's like allowing private industry to tax you.

Healthcare should be institutionalized as part of the overall general infrastructure, like we do with primary education. What happened in Massachusetts is "fascism", but it isn't liberal. This was Mitt's plan. Fascism is corporate control of government. The insurance industry has waaaay too much power in this country, & especially in the field of healthcare. It's a racket. I'd like to see the direction premiums have taken since this law was passed.

[qeuqheeg222]

thank you hippfied..."paying for something befroe it happens" that is the credo of all insurance business,bub......auto,home.life,health,flood,jesu s...

[chefmike]

More facts about crazy Ron that will have the paulbots gnashing their teeth and sharpening their pitchforks:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/15/124912/740

[El Nino]

Nice try Chef. Paul kicks ass and you're in denial.

[NYBURBS]

More facts about crazy Ron that will have the paulbots gnashing their teeth and sharpening their pitchforks:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/15/124912/740

While I might disagree with him on some points, overall he is like a personal hero for me. He has the balls to stand up and speak his mind, and much of what he has been spouting on the economic front just came true. As for the claims that he is a fanatical racist well... I take those with a grain of salt. I need not remind the rabid Obama fans of some of his more "disturbing" acquaintances/friendships.

During the primary in NY I recall seeing teens standing out on street corners holding up Ron Paul campaign signs. His website has also attracted quite a large following, many people find him refreshing and upfront.

[chefmike]

You guys are too funny. Ron Paul is no longer running for President, but he did deliver the keynote speech at The John Birch Society's 50th Anniversary dinner.

http://www.jbs.org/index.php/jbs-news-feed/3377-watch-the-ron-paul-keynote-at-the-jbs-50th-anniversary-celebration

Now there's a shocker.