Iran hung 2 teen boys for being gay.TS girlswould hang too

[Hostile]

http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2005/10/shocking_new_ph.html

[hugochavez]

I thought the Iranian president said there were no gay people in his country.

[Hostile]

HATE IS EVIL

[african1]

This is what happens when you vote in inexperienced people into the presidency of the United States. We lost Iran to tyranny because we elected Jimmy Carter, an unknown and inexperienced man. People elected him because they needed change at the time. People feel that they need change now, but who knows what other countries we may lose to tyrannical regimes when we elect an inexperienced politician?

[Hostile]

Obama 2 years in senate, thats it, NO EXPERIENCE AT ANYTHING!

[The Piper]

We recently had a t.v programme aired in the UK about Iraqi TS's.
I was suprised there seems to be many.
While not openly accepted,i don't think their lives were at risk.
Strange how two neighbouring countries should have such different acceptence levels.

[ltxlover]

How did they get caught?

[Hostile]

The COWARD executioners have faces covered! COWARDS!

[Hostile]

NO FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION THATS HOW THEY GOT CAUGHT. People, you can not stop nature, these guys met in secret and got caught. Sometimes your own family will turn you in.

[yodajazz]

We recently had a t.v programme aired in the UK about Iraqi TS's.
I was suprised there seems to be many.
While not openly accepted,i don't think their lives were at risk.
Strange how two neighbouring countries should have such different acceptence levels.

Sex changes are accepted in Iran. They are not executed. It is my understanding that Iran has the second highest amount in the world. They may not prosper, as it is still difficult for women in general but they are not executed.

Get the facts straight.


This is what happens when you vote in inexperienced people into the presidency of the United States. We lost Iran to tyranny because we elected Jimmy Carter, an unknown and inexperienced man. People elected him because they needed change at the time. People feel that they need change now, but who knows what other countries we may lose to tyrannical regimes when we elect an inexperienced politician?

Who says we lost to Iran? When was it? If you remember, all the hostages came home alive, with minimum other loss of life, including one failed rescue mission. Since that time the Soviet Union crumbled and the US enjoyed, unprecendented prosperity until the Iraq war in 2003.

Looks more to me that people are being brainwashed to find enemies so that people can be manipulated out of fear. Yes executing gay people is wrong, in my book but war is the answer.

Lastly, it is not experience, but wisdom that goes towards making good decisions. The US invading Iraq was a poor decision on so many levels. It took critical thinking to understand the the consequences and risks of doing so. The experience of years of Republican rule was unable to correctly assess the real life consequnces.

[chefmike]

This is what happens when you vote in inexperienced people into the presidency of the United States. We lost Iran to tyranny because we elected Jimmy Carter, an unknown and inexperienced man. People elected him because they needed change at the time. People feel that they need change now, but who knows what other countries we may lose to tyrannical regimes when we elect an inexperienced politician?

What a crock of shit.

[chefmike]

Obama 2 years in senate, thats it, NO EXPERIENCE AT ANYTHING!

Yes, it's obvious that we would be much better off with that senile old fool McCain and his 100 year war... :roll:

[trish]

This is what happens when you vote in inexperienced people into the presidency of the United States. We lost Iran to tyranny because we elected Jimmy Carter, an unknown and inexperienced man. People elected him because they needed change at the time. People feel that they need change now, but who knows what other countries we may lose to tyrannical regimes when we elect an inexperienced politician?

You don’t suppose the fact that the U.S. financially and militarily propped up a tyrannical dictator in Iran for decades and bled the country of oil like a vampire while the people lived a third world existence under the thumb of the Shah who lived in opulent luxury had anything to do with it? It wouldn’t have anything to do with the fact that when the Shah fell ill and left power the people saw their opportunity to revolt. That wouldn’t have anything to do with the fact Iran that broke away from the U.S. now would it? Carter’s big mistake was listening to Kissinger’s advice to let the Shah seek medical help within the borders of the U.S. But Kissinger was an experienced man!

[Hostile]

Please don't start with the Obama bullshit, lets get back on TOPIC . RELAX with arguing POLITICS, you have your views I have mine, you ain't changing mine! I dont care what yours are to try and change them , Get it , got it good!

TOPIC : GAYS, TS , BI-SEX in Iran can cost you your life.

[praetor]

THEY ARE COMPLETE INSANE, THEY LIVE LIKE HUNDRED YEARS AGO, AS NEVER DEVELOP, LIVING IN XXI CENTURY AC, LIKE MC BC.

[Hostile]

THIS IS IMPORTANT: KEEP ON THIS TOPIC . Please don't start going off about your political views and change this post into who is a better candidate for president.


THIS IS VERY SAD. EVERY ONE OF US ON THIS SITE WOULD BE IN DEEP SHIT IF WE LIVED IN IRAN.

[trish]

you have your views I have mine, you ain't changing mine! ...Get it , got it good!

That's called intellectual inertia. Some folks got it. The best one's don't.

[trish]

I’ve many Iranian friends, some of them very close. Their society is much more secular than the current government and much more secular than Iraq ever was. What won’t help the Iranian people is another fiasco like Iraq. The Iranians that I know have families and friends there. They don’t want to see Iran liberated by the U.S. How then do we best help them? We keep watch. We publicize the atrocities. We negotiate and leave it to the people to find their way toward a more equitable government, just as all the rest of us are groping our own ways to more equitable government. We help them, when they ask for help. Perhaps we can start right here in this country by legally recognizing marriages between persons of the same sex. Perhaps we can start right here in this forum by calling out people who use the term "gay" in a derogatory manner.

[muhmuh]

TOPIC : [...] TS [...] in Iran can cost you your life.

rubbish:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4115535.stm

[Hostile]

Here we go, someone grab a violin. Iran is a very dangerous place just being American caught over there , even if you were there to help children , being American means your in serious danger. Bro you are NUTS, I hate beeding hearts and fucking unrealistic morons. Contractors get their heads cut off over there . Man people get your heads ou of the sand.

As for post op TS , if you get the operation you live in squaller but if your still in pre-op stages your a guy dressed up. Get it in your heads that these people HATE us Westerners, way before we went to Iraq. Gay is a crime, being a boy dressed ;like a girl is a crime and men sleeping with TV CD non op TS is a crime. it has nothing to do with us being in Iraq.

[Hostile]

The bleeding hearts are crying , go live there then if its so grand, Tell those 2 young boys crying in jail that Iran is grand, fuckin assholes! Why don't you move out of here if its so bad or are you like seanchai, living in another country biting the hand that feeds you, USA baby

[muhmuh]

As for post op TS , if you get the operation you live in squaller but if your still in pre-op stages your a guy dressed up.

and you can get a permit to walk around in womens clothes legally in iraq until you get srs which iirc half of the operation price is payed for by the government

stop trying to rally against the country based on bull people arent dumb enough to fall for it round here

[Hostile]

Thats just great, you get a permit, LOL. What a fuckin asshole.LOL. Do you need a permit to be pre op here? do ya, or in London? Fuckin morons. Why don't you TRICKS go live in Iraq or Iran if America is so bad. BYE don't let the door hit you in YOUR TRICKY ASS!

[bulldog]

Thats just great, you get a permit, LOL. What a fuckin asshole.LOL. Do you need a permit to be pre op here? do ya, or in London? Fuckin morons. Why don't you TRICKS go live in Iraq or Iran if America is so bad. BYE don't let the door hit you in YOUR TRICKY ASS!

I see you live up to your screen name

[Hostile]

I hate crybabies and complainers, go live somewhere else if America is so bad. This moron is talkin about getting a permit to be TS , do you think its better there because the government pays for a butcher Dcotor in a hotel room to give you your sex change. Did ya ever see the video of that , I have, the doctors arn't real docs . NO THANKS! As long as Tricks like most of the pathetic cock worshippers hand out the cash then who needs the government to pay for the butcher. The girls here get you schmucks to pay everything, its ova for them, TIts & surgeries are free here thanks the tricks.

[muhmuh]

1) when exactly did i say living in the us is bad?
2) why would you automatically assume i live in the us?
3) what has any of this this got to do with you posting complete rubbish to rally against another country?

[Hostile]

lol bye TRICK! go live in Iran get caught cock hunting out there, you'll wish your sorry ass was somewhere else.

[justatransgirl]

Ok here's how I see it.

If Jessica and I lived in Iran they would give us sex changes and then hang us for being lesbians.

I have a real serious issue with people and governments and religions who abuse women (including TS's ) and who feel it's their right to stick their noses into people private sex lives.

The two boys were hung quite some time ago and yet nothing has been done about it.

And yeah right, there are no gays in Iran because the SOB president loser ass MURDERED them all.

Sad sigh,
TS Jamie :-)

[canvor]

@hostile

dude, seriously. get a life. you were the one starting the politics crap and now you are complaining about others continuing with the discussion?

[BlackMath]

http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2005/10/shocking_new_ph.htmlActually, "TSgirls" wouldn't be hanged. Iranian law finds transexuals acceptable, and even pays for their operation.

[Hostile]

WRONG, read my post again, they send them to butchers in hotel rooms. They are not considered women they are out casts and live together like a post op family. And if your a pre-op walking around with a cock dressed in womans clothes your a walking abomination to Iran. PLUS American girls get their shit paid for by pathetic tricks , so they go to good doctors, a lot of Iran TG's die on the operating table because the doctors arn't always real doctors and its done in unclean enviorment.

I never thought so many assholes on this site would jump on the anti American bandwagon and act like Iran is doing TG's justce.

[BlackMath]

WRONG, read my post again, they send them to butchers in hotel rooms. They are not considered women they are out casts and live together like a post op family. And if your a pre-op walking around with a cock dressed in womans clothes your a walking abomination to Iran. PLUS American girls get their shit paid for by pathetic tricks , so they go to good doctors, a lot of Iran TG's die on the operating table because the doctors arn't always real doctors and its done in unclean enviorment.

I never thought so many assholes on this site would jump on the anti American bandwagon and act like Iran is doing TG's justce.

Look, you really are wrong. I wish I could show you this BBC Doco I saw on Youtube, but it's been taken down.
I found you the corresponding news article though, enjoy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7259057.stm

You're right when you say you can't stay pre-op, but otherwise, you are totally wrong.

And I might add, just because we are telling you that the Iranian government doesn't hate transexuals, doesn't mean we are being anti-American.

[Tomfurbs]

The bottom line is:

How many of us are queueing up to move to Iran?


Exactly.

[tstv_lover]

Look, you really are wrong. I wish I could show you this BBC Doco I saw on Youtube, but it's been taken down.
I found you the corresponding news article though, enjoy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7259057.stm

You're right when you say you can't stay pre-op, but otherwise, you are totally wrong.

And I might add, just because we are telling you that the Iranian government doesn't hate transexuals, doesn't mean we are being anti-American.

Thanks for posting this link - really informative.

[Hostile]

I saw the sex change video , the girls were not operated on in a hospital, it was very dirty enviorment and they then lived together left to beg on the streets for money........I watched the video too, unless thier family was verry rich & accepted them which in most cases they were out casted, they lived like gutter rats. Wake the fuck up!

[muhmuh]

lol bye TRICK! go live in Iran get caught cock hunting out there, you'll wish your sorry ass was somewhere else.

funny how you think trying to insult me will have any effect if you havent even got much of a point to begin with

[BlackMath]

I saw the sex change video , the girls were not operated on in a hospital, it was very dirty enviorment and they then lived together left to beg on the streets for money........I watched the video too, unless thier family was verry rich & accepted them which in most cases they were out casted, they lived like gutter rats. Wake the fuck up!

You must have watched a different video (which is possible, there are a number out there on the subject). In the particular one I saw, one of the girls was accepted by her family (of which there was no father I might point out). The second was not treated as well by her family, and had to become a prostitute; and you can't say that hasn't happened in many other [western] countries.
Also, the operations were performed in a clinic. The only objection to which I had was that the doctor uses an outdated SRS proceedure which uses part of the intestinal lining for the newly constructed vagina, as a way to create lubrication.

I did find it interesting how most of the transgendered people were as homophobic as any other Iranian. In fact, I was of two minds about their governments whole policy toward transexuals, in that it was based on such a heteronomative foundation.

[chefmike]

Please don't start with the Obama bullshit, lets get back on TOPIC . RELAX with arguing POLITICS, you have your views I have mine, you ain't changing mine! I dont care what yours are to try and change them , Get it , got it good!

TOPIC : GAYS, TS , BI-SEX in Iran can cost you your life.

Maybe you shouldn't have brought Obama up if you didn't want people to talk about him!

[chefmike]

@hostile

dude, seriously. get a life. you were the one starting the politics crap and now you are complaining about others continuing with the discussion?

Exactly.

[canvor]

Please don't start with the Obama bullshit, lets get back on TOPIC . RELAX with arguing POLITICS, you have your views I have mine, you ain't changing mine! I dont care what yours are to try and change them , Get it , got it good!

TOPIC : GAYS, TS , BI-SEX in Iran can cost you your life.

Maybe you shouldn't have brought Obama up if you didn't want people to talk about him!

exactly my point.

[Cuchulain]

Hostile, WTF is the point of this thread anyway? I'm sure everyone here knew that the fanatic religious government of Iran sucks. Are you beating the war drum? Do you want Bush/Cheney to attack Iran? Which evil country do you want us to attack after that? (Assuming we still have a functioning military by then - it's pretty well shot to hell now)

As far as the "America, love it or leave it" bullshit - wanting to change policies of our government that we feel are wrong and contrary to the basic principles on which America was founded doesn't mean we hate our country. It means just the opposite, imo.

[chefmike]

As far as the "America, love it or leave it" bullshit Indeed...that's just so Nixon/Agnew....

[Nikka]

the 90% of brazilians would be hanged, they would not have room for the bodies .... :)

(praetor, is a joke :) :)

[Nikka]

btw, what a fucked up situation, the pic of the boys crying is really harsh :(

[FREEFALLL666]

Ok so we seem to have these morons who fail to read the entire story. Iran may be "rich" but it regularly executes TG/TS for having sex with their partners. It also regularly executes girls who have been raped. That's right if you are a girl and are raped you are executed..

Iran also regularly calls for Israel and its citizens destruction and genocide. We are calling for change against this BS. Oh that's right "talk" that did Iraq a whole load of good didnt it? We were "talking" to the government when they executed an entire town. So what the flying hell do you think that "talks" will do? We are in China "talking" about Tibet, while Tibetans are shot by the Chinese soldiers because they DARE SPEAK of change. The same tyranny exists in Iran. That's what this is, it ISNT about religion, it isnt about sex/sexuality, its about Control Through Fear..

[trish]

Big news: Iran hates us! Of course they have every right to hate a foreign government that kept them under the thrall of a dictator who allowed us to siphon off their oil and sell it to our own citizens for pennies, while he (the Shah) took a healthy cut for himself. They don’t hate us because of the Iraqi war. They hate us because we stole their oil. In the fifties and sixties we were swimming in Middle Eastern oil. So much so, gas stations had to give away glassware and place settings to sell it all. They hate us because when the government we propped up finally collapsed their largely secular society fell into the hands of the religiously conservative mullahs. In spite of all this most Iranians are at heart western. I know many Iranians personally. They do not approve of the application archaic religious laws. Iranian woman generally want the choice to wear head coverings or not. They want the right to sit in university classrooms alongside men. Most Iranians are open to western science and philosophy. To bomb Iran or to invade Tehran is to alienate all these westernized people. It hard to tell what is being advocated by the conservative voices in this thread; but military solutions (as we have so recently learned) do not come cheaply. The military “solution” in Iraq has cost us (actually our children) three trillion dollars. The military “solution” has increased the visible size of al Qaeda tenfold (it may in fact be larger). The military “solution” did not make Iraq safer, nor did it make us safer. The military “solution” will not be tolerated in Iran, neither by the American people nor by its allies. You say you want Iran to stop killing and torturing homosexuals. You do not want Iran to become a nuclear power. You want Iran to respect women. It won’t happen by sending in the troops. It’s got to start with the Iranians. However, we can set an example. We could put a stop to torture by our own CIA. We can grant homosexuals the freedom to marry. We can reduce our nuclear arsenal. We can grant women equal pay for equal work. Let’s do it.

[justatransgirl]

Are you beating the war drum? Do you want Bush/Cheney to attack Iran? Which evil country do you want us to attack after that? (Assuming we still have a functioning military by then - it's pretty well shot to hell now)

Yeah - nuke em all and let allah sort em out! Whoo-wah! Besides we need to waste another trillion dollars in anotehr pointless war so the dollar can get flushed completely down the toilet.

Oops, sorry my boy side is showing... giggle.


PLUS American girls get their shit paid for by pathetic tricks

The guys I date AREN'T pathetic tricks. They are nice upstanding GENTLEMEN who want to try something new, or who have found they prefer the company of someone who doesn't fit all the gender norms. Or they just want to get laid.

So YOU may be a "trick" but my boys aren't! So don't piss me off, remember I got friends... :-)

GIGGLE,
TS Jamie :-)

[yodajazz]

Hostile, WTF is the point of this thread anyway? I'm sure everyone here knew that the fanatic religious government of Iran sucks. Are you beating the war drum? Do you want Bush/Cheney to attack Iran? Which evil country do you want us to attack after that? (Assuming we still have a functioning military by then - it's pretty well shot to hell now)

As far as the "America, love it or leave it" bullshit - wanting to change policies of our government that we feel are wrong and contrary to the basic principles on which America was founded doesn't mean we hate our country. It means just the opposite, imo.

I strongly agree with this. For recap: Hostile started a thread with inaccurate information in the the title; that ts's are excecuted. Then when people try to correct the misinformation they are labled as bleeding hearts and told to move out the country. Is there room in the US for balanced discussion and more accurate information? Apparently not for some people.


Ok so we seem to have these morons who fail to read the entire story. Iran may be "rich" but it regularly executes TG/TS for having sex with their partners. It also regularly executes girls who have been raped. That's right if you are a girl and are raped you are executed..

Iran also regularly calls for Israel and its citizens destruction and genocide. We are calling for change against this BS. Oh that's right "talk" that did Iraq a whole load of good didnt it? We were "talking" to the government when they executed an entire town. So what the flying hell do you think that "talks" will do? We are in China "talking" about Tibet, while Tibetans are shot by the Chinese soldiers because they DARE SPEAK of change. The same tyranny exists in Iran. That's what this is, it ISNT about religion, it isnt about sex/sexuality, its about Control Through Fear..

Basically my question is the same as what Cuchulain has said; what's the point of your post. There is a lot of injustice in this world. So what are solutions, if 'talking', i.e. the exchange of ideas is not a tool in the solution? It is war? If so then who; Iraq, or China? Do we still have troops in Bosnia? Still, I am not saying that miltary force is never nescessary.

However, it is strange that through different reasons, I have the same conclusions as you. It is about control through fear. The same tatic is used here in the US effectively. The public was told that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and was going to use them against us. Also as a subtext in the last presidential, people were told that if gay marriages were allowed, the next step was marriage between humans and animals.

It does say in the Bible, that 'God has not given us the spirit of fear'. I find it ironic that so many 'religious' people use fear as a major tatic.

P.S. Trish, well said! I couldn't agree more.

[Svine_]

This will actually be my first post ever on hungangels forum, and I wonder myself why I didnt put it in one of the million threads with hot chicks in em instead.

The truth is that these boys are not being hanged for being homosexual, they are being hanged for a rape of a 13 year old boy.
I do not justify the hanging or anything. I just felt like I needed to add that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Asgari_and_Ayaz_Marhoni

[T Oracle]

This will actually be my first post ever on hungangels forum, and I wonder myself why I didnt put it in one of the million threads with hot chicks in em instead.

The truth is that these boys are not being hanged for being homosexual, they are being hanged for a rape of a 13 year old boy.
I do not justify the hanging or anything. I just felt like I needed to add that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Asgari_and_Ayaz_Marhoni


and I wonder myself why I didnt put it in one of the million threads with hot chicks in em instead.

'Cos it fits better in this one?

Thanks for the link. 8)

[timxxx]

Ok so we seem to have these morons who fail to read the entire story. Iran may be "rich" but it regularly executes TG/TS for having sex with their partners. It also regularly executes girls who have been raped. That's right if you are a girl and are raped you are executed..

It also regularly executes girls who have been raped does it ??? Proof of
this ? Or just more Propaganda.


Iran also regularly calls for Israel and its citizens destruction and genocide.
Another piece of disinformation President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad call for
the destruction of Zionism not Israel.

But what's a few facts between friends :shrug