Bootlegging And Pirating - How Does It Effect Porn

[peggygee]

I apologize in advance for the length of this post, it is something I feel strongly about. Also, while it addresses all of digital copyright infringement in general, much of it is relevant to adult entertainment material.

While not trying to render a Solomon like decision, or sound like John Kerry, I will say that I understand both viewpoints, and they both have merits.

If the media industry is unable to re-coup the money it spends on producing it’s product, then obviously there will be no money to pay talent, and other related production costs.

End result to the consumer, no new, or simply shoddy product.. So, why can’t people see that it is in their best interests to stop illegally obtaining digital material.

But, ‘twere’ the problem and it’s solution so simple:

1. You can’t legislate morality, specifically in the case of, The Digital Millennium Copyright Act, (DMCA) is a United States copyright law which criminalizes production and dissemination of technology that can circumvent measures taken to protect copyrights.TheEuropeans, in May of 2001 came up with , EU Copyright Directive or EUCD, which is comparable to the DMCA.

Ever hear of it, most likely not, but one if the things is says is you could be in ‘big trouble’ for making copies of your friends cds for mixtapes.

Kinda, like Nancy Reagan, coming up, with ‘just say no’ to drugs, sounded nice on paper in a meeting but hasn’t meant much to the average person, or piracy.

2.But what about, law enforcement: The FBI kicking in warehouse doors, in Flushing, Queens, NY, with operatives from the RIAA, seizing millions of dollars worth of pirated, software, music, and movies. Surely, that must have taken a bite, out of crime. One would think so, wouldn’t one. But in every major city, that I have been to in the world, there is absolutely no problem what so ever purchasing pirated material, often for pennies on the dollar.

3.Come on, surely it can’t be as bleak as all that, aren’t there technological safeguards in place to prevent copying and mass distribution of digital material. For every encryption safeguard, for every codec put in place to prevent you from getting free stuff, there is a 13 year old kid in Finland, or Florida, cracking it, as we speak, and the crack will be on the internet and around the world in hours.

Face it folks the genie is out of the bottle, every one has or knows some one who has cd or dvd burners. Digital recording equipment, and the accompanying software is very affordable and easy to use. Technologically, it is a no – brainer to copy, just about anything byte for byte, bit for bit, in a spot on manner.

It is a very difficult problem, with seemingly no solution in sight. And one can yell, cajole, coerce, until the cows come home, or the swallows come back from where ever the hell they have flown off to, it’s not going to solve the problem.

So, what’s a viable solution, well actually it’s multi-tiered one:

A.Legislation and law enforcement are good, but put some teeth into them Now that doesn’t mean fining some teenager living in the projects of the Bronx, $1,000 per song, movie or video, he or she has illegally downloaded. Just like you wouldn’t lock the town ‘stoner’ up in a Federal prison for smoking a ‘blunt’ behind the Dairy Queen. Though you most likely would want to go up higher in the criminal food chain, and impose stiffer penalties.

B.Oh, and remember those countries that I mentioned with all the pirated stuff. Well guess what many of them are our friends, ie we trade with them, we loan them money, we keep their governments from being overthrown, you know friend stuff. And, I am not just referring to some third world impoverished countries, but so called first world as well. Counterfeiting in many counties in not done in some small, dank basement. But rather is big business. This memo from the U.S. Dept Of State http://www.state.gov/e/eb/rls/rm/30717.htm , and this http://www.iipi.org/topics/Arts_culture_music.asp , from the IIPI, and this additional State Department memo illustrate the point http://cryptome.org/ip-war.htm http://cryptome.org/ip-war.htm as well as this from Europe show the scope of the problem http://europa.eu.int/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=MEMO/04/255&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en http://europa.eu.int/rapid/pressReleasesAc...;guiLanguage=en .Somewhat boring reading, but makes the point. What is our government, doing about international counterfeiting, smacking wrists.

C.Technology, it is a game of cops and robbers, of one upsmanship. The so-called good guys come up with something to keep the bad guys from stealing their stuff, the bad guys figure it out, defeat it, rinse and repeat, ad nauseum. Gotta, pump more money, time and energy, into that process, where does that money come from, take a guess.

D.We are almost ready to wrap, this is the part where the companies come in
Memo to: CEOs, CTOs, CFOs, CIOs, et al, it’s not 1995 anymore. The way you sell product is not the same as you did back then. E-commerce folks have a grasp of this, brick and mortar folks are catching up.

Delivering a product at a competitive price point, securing your infrastructure as much as possible (don’t be cheap with IT) This includes but is not limited to the securing of passwords, credit card information, etc. are some things that can keep piracy at bay. Be creative in your marketing, it is a very competitive marketplace.

Bug the hell,out of your trade associations, have that lobbyist, bug Wagington, again think food chain

Finally. I am thinking we need to have a summit with government, media suppliers, IT people, open source folks, electronic freedom folks, consumer groups, and other interested parties, to further hash this issue out

This is not just an intellectual property problem, but a dollars and cents problem, with international consequences that hurts us all.

[muhmuh]

Come on, surely it can’t be as bleak as all that, aren’t there technological safeguards in place to prevent copying and mass distribution of digital material. For every encryption safeguard, for every codec put in place to prevent you from getting free stuff, there is a 13 year old kid in Finland, or Florida, cracking it, as we speak, and the crack will be on the internet and around the world in hours.

which is exactly why copy protection doesnt work and never will
all it achieves is creating a competitive playing field for the scene
if companies had never come up with any form of copy protection the scene would never have evolved and we wouldnt be where were at right now

the same goes for the customer
if a product makes it blatantly obvious that the company making it thinks its customers are criminals people will quickly lose any interest in proving them wrong

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

funny i thought I replied to this, hmmmmmmmmm I wonder who deleted it

[Jericho]

Before some fukker jumps on me, i'm *not* advocating piracy.
A cool name dosn't make it kewl, piracy equals theft.

I would like say something about this particular point.


End result to the consumer, no new, or simply shoddy product.. So, why can’t people see that it is in their best interests to stop illegally obtaining digital material.

While this theory *sounds* reasonable [and it's the one most oft quoted by producers of pirated products], it doesn't hold up in real life.

An obvious example [because we're here, i can think of others] would be shemale porn.

Go back as short a time as five years ago.
Every set, from every major porn site, [Yum, Bobs, Brazillian Transexuals, etc] was available, sometimes within hours of being released, for free download.

Which had the enevitable outcome that shemale porn is no longer being produced...Oh...Erm...Wait a minute...


Instead of looking for digital locks and bolts, we might as well face it.
No matter what you do, you are never going to stop piracy, deterents don't deter [how many people are on death row and you're talking about a what, a fine?]

Possible soloution?

Offer more than the product itself.
[back to shemale porn] Props to the Geordie Yumster for instance, he was way ahead, offering a forum.

Rather than taking the RIAA's stance on the problem, which i think has done more damage to the music industry than piracy ever has, we have to work on finding a way that persuades people to pay for a product rather than [try] and force/scare them into it.

[OEMEnemyNum1]

On a side note, did anyone see the shirts with the DVD code on them? They wanted to sue the people that cracked it, but there was "prior" art in the form of the shirt. So that was a slick way of doing it.

[muhmuh]

Rather than taking the RIAA's stance on the problem, which i think has done more damage to the music industry than piracy ever has, we have to work on finding a way that persuades people to pay for a product rather than [try] and force/scare them into it.

assuming that (most) people will _want_ to pay for something they like seems to work just fine

Radiohead's seventh album, In Rainbows, was released in October 2007 as a digital download for which customers chose their own price. Although it was reported that 1.2 million digital downloads were sold by the day of the album's release, Radiohead's management have not released official sales figures, claiming that the Internet-only distribution was intended to boost sales of the physical album. Yet according to Yorke, Radiohead's profits from the digital download of In Rainbows outstripped combined profits from digital downloads of all of the band's other studio albums.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiohead#In_Rainbows_and_a_new_release_method_.28 2005.E2.80.93present.29

[slinky]

First all, it is important to note that the vast majority of free porn is legal. It has been distributed by those who hold the rights to do so as promotional material.

Second, there are all sorts of problems with all the solutions: you copy protect stuff and people who buy it can't make copies for their own use. The early adopters of such policies will get their heads handed to them since people feel it's part of their right when they purchase. If you bought a CD of something and you had to pay for it again to load it onto your MP3 player, would you buy it twice?

Thirdly, it's very hard to come up with a solution to a problem when you don't understand the problem: while there are all sorts of $ figures thrown around for "losses" from piracy, they are all bullshit: a) because they are guestimates to begin with, and b) it's is 100% certain that not every copy would have been a purchase. In fact, no one knows whether 99% or .01% would have been purchases. until an awful lot more studying is done on the subject, all "solutions" are pissing in the dark.

Fourthly, there are ways of DRM that paysites can use to safeguard their material. But again, no quantitative studies to determine if it's doing more harm than good, and there are plenty of guys who went DRM and then stopped because it killed their conversion and/or retention ratios.

[Nowhere]

Look, people have to address this on a historical level. There's always been some degree of it, since the dawn of time. Even printing presses did things like that, hundreds of years ago. Fake Burberry Bags are a form of it. The majority of "Louis Vuitton" you see on the street is it.

What really matters is that it's simply kept on the fringe. Companies like Microsoft know that piracy also is a promotion tool. It gets a market of people who at one time cannot afford their product, who eventually move into a financial bracket to do so, buy it. So, as long as their main channels continue to be fed strongly, they keep it as it is. It's no coincidence the products they're struggling getting hot are made to be the least "locked down" by licensing.

And, the same goes for the Louis Vuitton example. Virtually no one in the ghetto purchasing a fake bag is a lost customer to the company. They never would have afforded it in the first place and never could afford it, in the end. However, the fact that fakes exist promotes the value of the real ones by everyone being aware of the quality of the goods, and for them finding ways to ensure people can identify them. The black market, essentially, hypes the proper market.

So, making the black market kept to be an inferior and marginalized product is basically the ideal situation. Non-pornographic movies are a great example of that. I never would download and pirate a movie off the internet. Why? Not because of the legality of it (although it is a factor), but because i'd rather get it quicker by walking over to best buy, and getting a quality DVD (or Blu-Ray), with a durable case that I can put on my shelf, that I can get a hell of a lot quicker than downloading from wherever. Compared to a grainy film recorded in a movie theater in China with people walking from it that would take hours or days to get, why would I want that garbage?

But, porn is different. It's like a quick fix, fast and disposable. And, while some people are comfortable putting tranny porn on their shelf, i'd wage a bet that 99% of guys out there are not remotely comfortable with that. It's why it's went all on the net. It also doesn't take anyone two hours to get the "experience" they need from the porn.

So, i'd say it definitely cuts into profits, but what's the answer? As per the examples above, make a better product that you can buy legitimately. I'm quite sure the reason a lot of tporn is pirated is not due to cheapness. It's due to people not wanting it to be linked into their visa bill, which their wife can look up and go "what the hell is this???" Privacy is paramount in this product. The less you have it, the less people will want to buy it.

And, there's a simple answer to that - pairing up with straight / combo porn sites. Make it so that your product can be seen at sites that are either full of predominately straight porn or a cornucopia of porn. I know there are a handful of them out there, so I'm quite sure some sort of mutually beneficial agreement could be made.

Maybe the owners of the sites that visit here might have a different opinion on this, but i'm quite sure, that, say if some agreement with a combination porn site where you were compensated based on subscribers views of your porn, would increase to far, far higher profits than standing on your own (or at least, simply far more views).

What do you think?

Regardless, I am absolutely sure that tranny porn piracy is predominantly due to privacy concerns over cheapness, and that issue must truly be addressed to get to the heart of the problem.

[youcancallmeclaire]

But if people keep pirating, how will we make money off of art? :(

We might have to go out and get real jobs instead of finding ways to exploit human expression. :x



Really though... I'm having fun watching it all crumble. :)

[peggygee]

Look, people have to address this on a historical level. There's always been some degree of it, since the dawn of time. Even printing presses did things like that, hundreds of years ago. Fake Burberry Bags are a form of it. The majority of "Louis Vuitton" you see on the street is it.

What really matters is that it's simply kept on the fringe. Companies like Microsoft know that piracy also is a promotion tool. It gets a market of people who at one time cannot afford their product, who eventually move into a financial bracket to do so, buy it. So, as long as their main channels continue to be fed strongly, they keep it as it is. It's no coincidence the products they're struggling getting hot are made to be the least "locked down" by licensing.

And, the same goes for the Louis Vuitton example. Virtually no one in the ghetto purchasing a fake bag is a lost customer to the company. They never would have afforded it in the first place and never could afford it, in the end. However, the fact that fakes exist promotes the value of the real ones by everyone being aware of the quality of the goods, and for them finding ways to ensure people can identify them. The black market, essentially, hypes the proper market.

So, making the black market kept to be an inferior and marginalized product is basically the ideal situation. Non-pornographic movies are a great example of that. I never would download and pirate a movie off the internet. Why? Not because of the legality of it (although it is a factor), but because i'd rather get it quicker by walking over to best buy, and getting a quality DVD (or Blu-Ray), with a durable case that I can put on my shelf, that I can get a hell of a lot quicker than downloading from wherever. Compared to a grainy film recorded in a movie theater in China with people walking from it that would take hours or days to get, why would I want that garbage?



http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/CD_R.jpg

Thank you everyone for your well thought out and articulated answers.

As we all are aware the rows upon rows of CD-Rs, and DVD-Rs at
Best Buy, Compusa, and the like aren't there for archival purposes or
for merely backing up the Word documents or Powerpoint presentations
that you create.

There's no way in heck that the afore-mentioned take up 700MB on a
CD-R, or 4.7GB on a DVD-R.

Routinely what occurs is that the latest Mary J. Blige, or Amy Winehouse
cd is burned and or ripped for you by a friend and shared, and then
passed around from friend to friend.

If not that, if you are in any major urban center there is either a someone
on a street corner, or coming to the beauty parlor or barber shop that
you frequent selling you the latest cds or dvds for $5 or less.

Other that the graphics of the cd, the cd is byte for byte the same as the
$14.98 version at Best Buy.

On the movie front the quality often was piss-poor to put it mindly, with
people laughing, coughing, and walking in front of the camera that was
smuggled into the theatre.

Now, bootleg dvds are crystal clear, and availible even before the movie
hits the theatre.

The same is true of software, and I'm not talking about stuff downloaded
off warez sites,which are rife with virri. But rather which are availible
in kiosks in Bangkok, Lima, Mexico, Russia, or any country that you may
vacation to.

This software will come complete with product key and activation cracks,
and if you are moderately computer savvy you can have the latest MS
Office 2007, Vista Ultimate, or Autocad 2008, again for $5 or less.

Admittedly the average citizen may not be procuring their music, movies,
or software through these avenues, but there are many, many people who
are.

[Tomfurbs]

Yeah baby!

Seriously though, I try to care about the fact that downloading songs means artists have to actually work for a living by touring instead of getting fat off royalties, but I just can't.

The artists who bitch are the ones who are artistically defunct anyway, like Lenny Kravitz.

Musicians should make money by playing music, not selling cd's.

As Jeff Tweedy said: 'Music is not a Loaf Of Bread. It can't be stolen'.

[muhmuh]

Other that the graphics of the cd, the cd is byte for byte the same as the $14.98 version at Best Buy.

thats just not true for both dvds and cds
1) cds are quite often produced from mp3 rips off the internet; still hq but not at all a carbon copy
2) they are usually dvd5s which means slightly lower quality but youll never see the difference on a normal tv much less on a ntsc one
3) they come with no region code or other copy protection so they are in fact better than the version you find in stores which is one of the reasons why cds and dvd dont sell anymore; i for one would never pay money for a cd that installs a rootkit on my pc


The same is true of software, and I'm not talking about stuff downloaded off warez sites,which are rife with virri.

again not true since there are scene standards and one of the most basic ones is that the release has to be virus free
whats more is in many cases the copy protection will be stripped completely (to the point where it wont install anything other than the software itself) so you dont have to jump through hoops just to use the software
copy protection was ok back in the days when companies at least attempted to make it enjoyable by making you figure out which pirate was killed when but if you have to call up microsoft just to make your legally obtained copy of windows work it all gets a bit jarring and the option of not paying at all for a corporate version that doesnt require an activation becomes all that more attractive

[peggygee]

Other that the graphics of the cd, the cd is byte for byte the same as the $14.98 version at Best Buy.

thats just not true for both dvds and cds
1) cds are quite often produced from mp3 rips off the internet; still hq but not at all a carbon copy
2) they are usually dvd5s which means slightly lower quality but youll never see the difference on a normal tv much less on a ntsc one
3) they come with no region code or other copy protection so they are in fact better than the version you find in stores which is one of the reasons why cds and dvd dont sell anymore; i for one would never pay money for a cd that installs a rootkit on my pc


The same is true of software, and I'm not talking about stuff downloaded off warez sites,which are rife with virri.

again not true since there are scene standards and one of the most basic ones is that the release has to be virus free
whats more is in many cases the copy protection will be stripped completely (to the point where it wont install anything other than the software itself) so you dont have to jump through hoops just to use the software
copy protection was ok back in the days when companies at least attempted to make it enjoyable by making you figure out which pirate was killed when but if you have to call up microsoft just to make your legally obtained copy of windows work it all gets a bit jarring and the option of not paying at all for a corporate version that doesnt require an activation becomes all that more attractive

I agree on the cds, if it's produced from ripped mp3, wma and then
re-converted there may be some quality loss, that someone with a
good homesystem or audiophile will detect, but listeniing on a portable
cd pllayer with $20 headphones, or boombox, you won't detect the
differences.

On the dvds, someone who is used to watching blu-ray on a 47 inch HDTV
will notice the DVD5 clones deficiencies.

On region codes, my brother has some European porn that he wants me
to emove the region codes because he can't play it on his home DVD
player, so yeah region codes are a pain.

And finally some warez, P2P sites are better than others, but I wouldn't
count on their reliability, or put them on a production machine.

[ARMANIXXX]

Yeah baby!

Seriously though, I try to care about the fact that downloading songs means artists have to actually work for a living by touring instead of getting fat off royalties, but I just can't.

The artists who bitch are the ones who are artistically defunct anyway, like Lenny Kravitz.

Musicians should make money by playing music, not selling cd's.

As Jeff Tweedy said: 'Music is not a Loaf Of Bread. It can't be stolen'.

__________________________________________________ ____________________


Just out of curiosity,

Why do you think Lenny Kravitz to be "artistically defuct".

Curious on your take.

[Tomfurbs]

Firstly, he offers a ripped-off watered-down Hendrix impersonation.

Secondly he sucks. Always has.

Thirdly, he hasn't produced a single decent record, and has wimped out of his Euro tour because of 'bronchitis' (which means: management knows he won't sell seats).

That spells artistically defunct to me.

Happy?

[ARMANIXXX]

*sigh*


More long to read stuff from Peggygee.......well,
You've done longer. lol


At anyrate,

I'm a musician, so I definitely believe in buying someone's material......so long as it's good. But there is the problem. Much of the material the conglomerate companies market and push is plain garbage or more of the same rehash. All of the technology that is available, and the only thing the movie companies can come out with is Rambo 4. and Spiderman 3.


The companies set themselves up for this. I don't wanna buy Souljaboy, I'd rather download that and use my disposable cash to buy NAS or James Morrison.


Also, let's not forget that what the RIAA and the movie industry seem to want is CONTROL. How dare they try and dictate to me what and how I listen or watch my own shit. Maybe I want to watch my PC porn on my Big Screen TV for that colossal Jack off moment or somethin. Maybe I wanna watch it on my cell phone while on the can takin a dump and wackin off at the same time cause Maybe kink is just what the hell I do.





hmm.....



Now that I think about it.....




Maybe control is exactly what a muthafucka needs.

:wink:

[ARMANIXXX]

Firstly, he offers a ripped-off watered-down Hendrix impersonation.

Secondly he sucks. Always has.

Thirdly, he hasn't produced a single decent record, and has wimped out of his Euro tour because of 'bronchitis' (which means: management knows he won't sell seats).

That spells artistically defunct to me.

Happy?


*shrug*


I was just askin.


right on

[timxxx]

Yeah baby!

Seriously though, I try to care about the fact that downloading songs means artists have to actually work for a living by touring instead of getting fat off royalties, but I just can't.

The artists who bitch are the ones who are artistically defunct anyway, like Lenny Kravitz.

Musicians should make money by playing music, not selling cd's.

As Jeff Tweedy said: 'Music is not a Loaf Of Bread. It can't be stolen'.

Well said, sick of hearing the Whiny bullshit of RIAA,downloading don't harm music,it may harm the 'Music Industry'.If so, well fuck them.Music has always been here & always will be.
.

[peggygee]

*sigh*


More long to read stuff from Peggygee.......well,
You've done longer. lol



Look at it this way, from all the things we've discussed one
day you could win a million dollars on

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/Jeopardy4x3.jpg

.....or at least be 'Smarter Than A Fifth Grader'.

:lol:

[slinky]

MP3's may be inferior?

MP3's MAY BE INFERIOR?


You guys must have some gawdawful systems.

[timxxx]

I apologize in advance for the length of this post, it is something I feel strongly about. Also, while it addresses all of digital copyright infringement in general, much of it is relevant to adult entertainment material.

While not trying to render a Solomon like decision, or sound like John Kerry, I will say that I understand both viewpoints, and they both have merits.

If the media industry is unable to re-coup the money it spends on producing it’s product, then obviously there will be no money to pay talent, and other related production costs.

End result to the consumer, no new, or simply shoddy product.. So, why can’t people see that it is in their best interests to stop illegally obtaining digital material.

But, ‘twere’ the problem and it’s solution so simple:

1. You can’t legislate morality, specifically in the case of, The Digital Millennium Copyright Act, (DMCA) is a United States copyright law which criminalizes production and dissemination of technology that can circumvent measures taken to protect copyrights.TheEuropeans, in May of 2001 came up with , EU Copyright Directive or EUCD, which is comparable to the DMCA.

Ever hear of it, most likely not, but one if the things is says is you could be in ‘big trouble’ for making copies of your friends cds for mixtapes.

Kinda, like Nancy Reagan, coming up, with ‘just say no’ to drugs, sounded nice on paper in a meeting but hasn’t meant much to the average person, or piracy.

2.But what about, law enforcement: The FBI kicking in warehouse doors, in Flushing, Queens, NY, with operatives from the RIAA, seizing millions of dollars worth of pirated, software, music, and movies. Surely, that must have taken a bite, out of crime. One would think so, wouldn’t one. But in every major city, that I have been to in the world, there is absolutely no problem what so ever purchasing pirated material, often for pennies on the dollar.

3.Come on, surely it can’t be as bleak as all that, aren’t there technological safeguards in place to prevent copying and mass distribution of digital material. For every encryption safeguard, for every codec put in place to prevent you from getting free stuff, there is a 13 year old kid in Finland, or Florida, cracking it, as we speak, and the crack will be on the internet and around the world in hours.

Face it folks the genie is out of the bottle, every one has or knows some one who has cd or dvd burners. Digital recording equipment, and the accompanying software is very affordable and easy to use. Technologically, it is a no – brainer to copy, just about anything byte for byte, bit for bit, in a spot on manner.

It is a very difficult problem, with seemingly no solution in sight. And one can yell, cajole, coerce, until the cows come home, or the swallows come back from where ever the hell they have flown off to, it’s not going to solve the problem.

So, what’s a viable solution, well actually it’s multi-tiered one:

A.Legislation and law enforcement are good, but put some teeth into them Now that doesn’t mean fining some teenager living in the projects of the Bronx, $1,000 per song, movie or video, he or she has illegally downloaded. Just like you wouldn’t lock the town ‘stoner’ up in a Federal prison for smoking a ‘blunt’ behind the Dairy Queen. Though you most likely would want to go up higher in the criminal food chain, and impose stiffer penalties.

B.Oh, and remember those countries that I mentioned with all the pirated stuff. Well guess what many of them are our friends, ie we trade with them, we loan them money, we keep their governments from being overthrown, you know friend stuff. And, I am not just referring to some third world impoverished countries, but so called first world as well. Counterfeiting in many counties in not done in some small, dank basement. But rather is big business. This memo from the U.S. Dept Of State http://www.state.gov/e/eb/rls/rm/30717.htm , and this http://www.iipi.org/topics/Arts_culture_music.asp , from the IIPI, and this additional State Department memo illustrate the point http://cryptome.org/ip-war.htm http://cryptome.org/ip-war.htm as well as this from Europe show the scope of the problem http://europa.eu.int/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=MEMO/04/255&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en http://europa.eu.int/rapid/pressReleasesAc...;guiLanguage=en .Somewhat boring reading, but makes the point. What is our government, doing about international counterfeiting, smacking wrists.

C.Technology, it is a game of cops and robbers, of one upsmanship. The so-called good guys come up with something to keep the bad guys from stealing their stuff, the bad guys figure it out, defeat it, rinse and repeat, ad nauseum. Gotta, pump more money, time and energy, into that process, where does that money come from, take a guess.

D.We are almost ready to wrap, this is the part where the companies come in
Memo to: CEOs, CTOs, CFOs, CIOs, et al, it’s not 1995 anymore. The way you sell product is not the same as you did back then. E-commerce folks have a grasp of this, brick and mortar folks are catching up.

Delivering a product at a competitive price point, securing your infrastructure as much as possible (don’t be cheap with IT) This includes but is not limited to the securing of passwords, credit card information, etc. are some things that can keep piracy at bay. Be creative in your marketing, it is a very competitive marketplace.

Bug the hell,out of your trade associations, have that lobbyist, bug Wagington, again think food chain

Finally. I am thinking we need to have a summit with government, media suppliers, IT people, open source folks, electronic freedom folks, consumer groups, and other interested parties, to further hash this issue out

This is not just an intellectual property problem, but a dollars and cents problem, with international consequences that hurts us all.

Is it really that damn necessary to post the same damn crap on site after site ?

Not everyone is a member of muitple sites & if you think the post is crap,why don't you just ignore it.YOU RUDE WANKER :jerkoff

[peggygee]

Is it really that damn necessary to post the same damn crap on site after site ?

Yes.