Northern Illinois shooting........................

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

so far 5 dead, 17 wounded but still alive
my condolences to those families
We need better gun laws

[johnb]

can't put the genie back in the bottle, there are too many guns in this country already, that laws won't do any good. we're running neck and neck with islamic suicide bombers who kill innocent victims in public. don't want them to beat us in that war, do you?

[KO47]

so far 5 dead, 17 wounded but still alive
my condolences to those families
We need better gun laws

Why? They'd just get them illegally anyway.

[BeardedOne]

Yah, the numbers have been changing all afternoon since I posted this earlier.

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=30733

It's something like the fourth or fifth school shooting in the past year.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I know its simply disgusting! What are wrong with people today!?!

[BrendaQG]

Better gun laws.... not around there. If anything people around Dekalb are thinking if only someone had been carrying a concealed weapon.

I can't tell 100% from the pictures I have seen so far but I think i know which lecture hall that was in.

Dekalb is not a big or sophisticated town. This one incident will increase their murder rate for the decade by 200%. That place will never be the same.

[Aunt Kay]

Washington DC has the strictest laws in the US and has the highest murder rate. Explain that.

[johnb]

there was a shooting last week in Kirkwood, Missouri (a St. Louis suburb) where a gunman killed five people in a city council meeting. his first two victims were policemen. obviously, they were carrying guns.

[BrendaQG]

They should have been quicker on the draw.

[johnb]

brenda, is that a sarcastic joke, or is that an ignorant statement?

[BrendaQG]

Neither. Had those cops been more alert then they and three other people would still be alive. It is their job to protect and serve. Taking guns away from law abiding people will not stop criminals and nuts from going on spree's like this.

I'm telling you I went to and graduated from that very university. I know the community. They are very conservative people. Solid republican anti gun law voters (Dennis Hastert a NIU alum is their congressman). Don't expect them to react like people from Chicago, Much less NYC or LA to this.

My heart goes out to the families in this case. One good thing so far is that it seems that it is not as bad as it could have been.

[BrendaQG]

That lecture hall is right across the creek from the dorm I lived in (known as Neptune west).

This feels really really strange. To look at. :-? I mean this sort of situation is one thing when you have NO connection to it. I mean. I have been where those kids are. I have the feel of the place. 5 people get shot in and around UIC every year. NIU, Dekalb is not used to this. The place has just lost it's innocence. :_(

[johnb]

these two fine gentlemen have spent their entire lives protecting and serving, but it's kinda hard to draw when someone walks up behind you and shoots you in the back of the head. so, you better tell your righteous conservative buddies they need to get off their high horse about stem cell research, so we can start manufacturing policemen with eyes in the back of their heads!

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Let's not get too far off topic
#1 no death we've talked about in this thread is excusable. All the people who have died or were injured suffered, let's not lose focus of that. Also let's not glotiry the shooter to humorously make a point.

[BrendaQG]

Oh what a bunch of liberal bull shit. When ever their is a mass shooting some of you want to ban all guns. Then in the case that was injected into this thread where police were on site you say they could not have done more to prevent their own demise. Any police person will tell you that you are your own first best defense against violent crime. That does not change when you are police.

RIGHT NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A SHOOTING AT A UNIV THAT I WENT TO NOT SOME GOD DAMMED TOWN HALL WHERE EVER IT WAS!. SO YOU BE QUIET!!

Hmm if it was so important then why did you not start a condolence thread regarding it. Now for gods sake keep this thread on track. If you have something to say to me about me use a PM please.

[BrendaQG]

Let's not get too far off topic
#1 no death we've talked about in this thread is excusable. All the people who have died or were injured suffered, let's not lose focus of that. Also let's not glotiry the shooter to humorously make a point.

Who glorified the shooter. All I have done is express my wish that someone had shot his trifling ass before he could kill or wound more people. As a counter point the the usual east coast liberal self righteous spiel about gun laws that this thread started with Johnny.

[chefmike]

We need better gun laws

If you want tougher gun laws then you should stop voting GOP, JWBL.

Wake up and smell the gunpowder.

[BrendaQG]

I agree JWBL. We just could not let Hontas's ignorant and inappropriate comment, "they should have been quicker on the draw," pass without a response.


Let's not get too far off topic
#1 no death we've talked about in this thread is excusable. All the people who have died or were injured suffered, let's not lose focus of that. Also let's not glotiry the shooter to humorously make a point.

Someone brought up a incident where some cops (who were armed ) got shot. It's and unpleasant thruth that when someone is out to shoot allot of people the only thing that can be done is to shoot them dead. That in my own ignorant conservative midwestern opinion would stop this kind of shit.

[chefmike]

And Hontis you are a dumb fucking clueless bitch, JWBL is no liberal the last I heard.

So are you going to vote for McCain, Johnny?

[thx1138]

where are the tasers when you need them?

[BrendaQG]

[quote=BrendaQG]Any police person will tell you that you are your own first best defense against violent crime. That does not change when you are police.

No shit..... Tell us something we do not know...:roll:

Exactly.... everyone knows that yet so many are reluctant to do what must be done. While we are talking about who not to blame. Let us not blame the voters of Illinois for our gun laws. We in fact have the most draconian gun laws in the region. They did not stop this.

You know say what ever you want. Call me what you will but at least get what I said and it's context right. I would never glorify the shooter but I will not stand by while a bunch of outsiders get all self righteous about the law of the salt of the earth who live in Dekalb, IL.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

And Hontis you are a dumb fucking clueless bitch, JWBL is no liberal the last I heard.

So are you going to vote for McCain, Johnny?

lol, I've been asked to keep the drama to a minimum Michael so you get a pass on this one...............

but please

feel free to click on my signature logged in (not anonymously as a coward) and we can gladly discuss anything you like

[Mordwyn]

there was a shooting last week in Kirkwood, Missouri (a St. Louis suburb) where a gunman killed five people in a city council meeting. his first two victims were policemen. obviously, they were carrying guns.

I don't think Brenda was joking..... As uniformed officers they were carrying their weapons openly.... they got bushwacked and were the first targets.....This is one of the reasons that I would never open carry in public if it ever became legal in my area

A concealed firearm carrier has the element of surprise in his or her favor, something the police officers did not have, if they were even carrying. Some municipalities do not allow their police/Sheriffs deputies to carry if on duty during counsel/government proceedings.

Just like in the case of the VT shootings. If one person, over the age of 21, was legally carrying a firearm and was properly trained, this sick fuck would have been stopped. just like in Colorado, Mississippi, Arkansas, West Virginia, etc etc etc.

[chefmike]

JW, I've never logged on to any of your chat rooms here...or any others elsewhere for that matter...I'm just not interested in that BS...and even if I was interested, rumor has it that when a guy logs on to your chatroom/peepshow he's gotta check his cojones at the door, right? Because the hostile trannies there call the shots, don't they? No offense, but fuck that shit and fuck your henhouse/chatroom, JW.

[blckhaze]

on topic. these shootings are really messed up. People are becoming more and more terrified to do normal everyday things with their families. Better gun control would help, but its the amount of illegal guns that come in the country that is really the problem.

off topic, chefmike, theres a difference between having balls and being a complete ass. Rather than base your opinions on rumor, come in and see for yourself. Youd be pleasantly surprised.

[Falrune]

We need better gun laws

Specifically? What gun law would you put in place that would have prevented this?

[Legend]

This is why i support gun owership,had any of them knew he had a gun they probably would have taken him out.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

in response to the rune whatever I respond with will see criticism ala the Hung Angels 101 course as to 'how to reply to a thread"

thank you
JWBL

[Falrune]

in response to the rune whatever I respond with will see criticism ala the Hung Angels 101 course as to 'how to reply to a thread"

thank you
JWBL

Huh? I just was curious as to your legal solution. Perhaps the law you want is already in place in IL, maybe not. But, I'm not sure what you are saying; I've never known you to be afraid of constructive criticism in the past. I just am interested in knowing what you propose.

[smoof]

i dont think the problem is gun laws and the whatnot it is more about how the news covers these things. they go and plaster pictures of the guy who did the shooting all over TV. so some people who are a little mentaly unstable and are craveing attention see how much of a reaction they will get from people and decide "hey look at the impact i will make on people if i do this" like one guy who did a shooting at a mall i think it was sayed "if i am going out i am going out with a bang" basically he is just craveing attention

these are just my thoughts i might be wrong

[johnb]

hell, sumbitch, shitfire...i ain't fraid of no guns...i say, "bring em on"! "I got my own!"

[johnb]

and by god, whist wer at it, I say it's better to fight them damn terists over there, whilts we can fite our own damseves over here!

[BrendaQG]

Ahh So I see I am not the only person who thinks that concealed carry would have made yesterday's rampage a short violent incident with only one casualty. The gunman!

FYI
In the media reports they are making a thing out of the students leaving NIU. Dekalb is not really a happening town on the weekends. Especially if you are not yet old enough to legally go to a bar. The only thing me and my friends had to do in dekalb was go to Karaoke night at a honky tonk bar, or bowling, or we would go to a talent competition once in a while. All of those things happen in the various bars. ( I guess they'll have someone to frisk you at the door from now on :-( ) Those guys, I had some good times in that town. :_(

Anyway my point was that students routinely leave Dekalb on the weekends because it can be a very boring place most of the time.

[thx1138]

Anti depressants blamed: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4293081&page=1

[mimiplastique]

happening The only thing me and my friends??? had to do in dekalb was go to Karaoke night at a honky tonk bar, or bowling, or we would go to a talent competition??? once in a while. All of those things happen in the various bars. ( I guess they'll have someone to frisk you at the door from now on :-( )us guys, I had some good times in that town. :_(

i am boring.


roflamo

friends

talent
happening



lmao


funny shit

[BrendaQG]

Of course there is also getting drunk off our asses. But even that gets old after a while.

No that town is really really small. w/o the university population it has like 25,000 people. The suburb of Chicago I lived in has more people than that in a much smaller area. It's just a really boring place to be.

I'll bet that 80% of the kids who left probably would have anyway.

[BrendaQG]

Anti depressants blamed: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4293081&page=1

Rather the way I heard it on WLS radio here in Chicago he was off his meds. Some people get the idea they know more than doctors. :tsk: When will people learn.

[NYCdad]

Why indeed

[Falrune]

You don't know much about guns or conceal carry laws do you?

I live in a state that issues cc permits. I have a cc permit. Except for police, most of the colleges and universities in my state explicitly prohibit the carrying of firearms on campus, that rule, I'm willing to bet, is the case in 99% of schools in the U.S. There goes your Dirty Harry scenario.



Ahh So I see I am not the only person who thinks that concealed carry would have made yesterday's rampage a short violent incident with only one casualty. The gunman!

I believe Brenda is arguing against these no carry zones, where most of these mass shootings appear to occur; so I believe you, she and Legend are actually kind of on the same page.

Anyway, I tend to agree with the notion that eliminating no carry zones would be a possible solution, at least in colleges where perpetrators and victims are of age to carry. It would at least take away the certainty that all targets will be unarmed.

[dskreet2]

There should be a "victims recovery act" that would allow the State to seize the body of a murderer that kills himself\herself after killing anyone, then place their body in a box and bury them WHERE-EVER the Hell they wanted to. No chance of a glorified burial!!!

And this can apply to any murderer\rapist\pedophile that dies before serving their FULL time while incarcerated.

Just a thought!!!

[Falrune]

Why indeed

Weigh the risk:benefit ratio

[thmack]

fucking crazy and idiotic

[firejimmiller]

Nice to hear some people think this through (Brenda, Falrune, braveman). Obviously, not everyone should carry around a gun, but there are plenty of law-abiding citizens who ahve taken it upon themselves to learn how to use one. Only the naive sheeple think the police can protect them. The police are there to clean up and try to catch the perp, not save your defenseless ass.
I carry unless in a "helpless victim" zone and I suggest any of you vote to secure this right as well. Mr. psycho shooter isn't going to wait for carry to be legal to start killing folks. :roll:

[chefmike]

This is why i support gun owership

You remain a textbook example of why children shouldn't have access to firearms...or lead paint for that matter.

[thx1138]

They found three opened cans of Red Bull energy drink in the motel room where Steven Kazmierczak stayed the night before his shooting spree at Northern Illinois University.

Also, found in the room was Gorilla Glue......


Bulls and Gorilla's! OH, MY!

[chefmike]

They found three opened cans of Red Bull energy drink in the motel room where Steven Kazmierczak stayed the night before his shooting spree at Northern Illinois University.

Also, found in the room was Gorilla Glue......


Bulls and Gorilla's! OH, MY!

So why don't you tell us what conspiracy theory are they concocting about that at infowars.com, you annoying little fool of a spambot?

[trish]

The media has been covering violence like this at schools and universities for at least the last decade. It’s sensationalist precisely because these institutions are generally safe havens. They are places populated by our youth. They are places of hope and promise. They are places with relatively low security measures because they are places where gun crime is a rarified occurrence.

Don’t get me wrong, there is violent crime on university campuses. Women do carry pepper-spray and many campuses have rape-alert systems; but shoot outs are certainly rare and guns are generally forbidden on campus. We might be able to eliminate the need for pepper-spray as well, if men were required to leave their penises at home.

I do not think in the few short minutes it took for the assailant in NIU to wreak havoc on the lives of his victims, that armed students or faculty would’ve made a difference. What is almost certain is that incidents of campus shooting would increase were students and faculty allowed to carry firearms. Laws cannot prevent mishaps, but laws can make them less frequent.

[BrendaQG]

Everyone has a right to their opinion.

Facts are something else. The logic that banning guns will prevent gun violence is founded in a logical falacy. IF someone is going to break the law to a large degree (by commiting murder); Then they are probably willing to break a little law (like buying guns on the black market. See prohibition.)

On the other hand If their is a psycho killer on a shooting spree and you are not armed then all you are is a target. If you are armed, however, you are in a position to defend your self and others. For example if that professor had been packing a loaded pistol it would have taken him at most three or four seconds to draw and shoot. That's not very long at all. How many people would not have been killed or wounded had that prof been armed? That's the way I look at it.

[Falrune]

Well put Trish. That's what I've been trying to explain to Brenda and Legend.

Maybe I misunderstood you. Do you believe in concealed carry for yourself but not others?

[trish]

Falrune: if we're talking penises, then yes, i'm still for concealed carry. as far as other guns go, that's a no. i'm not for concealed carry for myself or anyone else.

BrendaQ: There is no logical fallacy in my post. My argument isn't that gun laws can prevent even one nut determined to murder from carrying out his intent. My argument is that allowing people to carry will just increase other gun-crimes and accidents without having any deterrent effect on nut cases and on those with premeditated intent. By the way, the professor was taken out immediately before he knew what was happening. Do you really want live on a campus where everyone draws out their glocks when something goes bump behind the stage? How many people are going to get killed in that sort of world?

[Falrune]

Falrune: if we're talking penises, then yes, i'm still for concealed carry. as far as other guns go, that's a no. i'm not for concealed carry for myself or anyone else.

Hi Trish, I was not addressing my question to you. It just seemed to me that braveman felt it was ok for him to have concealed carry, but not ok for certain other adults (those stuck on college campuses) to be allowed cc:


I have a cc permit.

[Falrune]

Well put Trish. That's what I've been trying to explain to Brenda and Legend.

Maybe I misunderstood you. Do you believe in concealed carry for yourself but not others?

Of course not Falrune. I believe that people who are able to meet their state's requirements for a cc permit should, if they choose, get one.

It seems to me that gun free zones defeat the notion of concealed carry, so I'm not quite certain why you were upset with Brenda.

[thx1138]

@ mike: the latest conspiracy theory is that Kacmierchak was a lone gunman.