North American Union and the vchip truth

[thx1138]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo (speakers)

[hippifried]

...& after the giant supercomputer becomes self-aware, it'll send terminators out to enforce compliance. But it won't be a big chore because we will already have "let them take over without firing a shot".
:roll:
Geezle! Makes me want to run out right now & join the John Birch Society. Damn those Rockefellers & their Trilateral Commission. I'll bet ameros to doughnuts that those corporate communists at CNN aren't going to pay Lou Dobbs to add another hour a day to his book-selling infomercial, or put Alex Jones in primetime nationwide. They just don't want us to know what they're up to. Butteye'm optomistic. When the team of Ron Paul & Dennis Kucinich capture the Whitehouse, we'll finally see the electrified iron fence go around this country so we can all rest assured that there won't be any outside interference or contact. We can all hunker down in our gated communities & let the terminators (who will then be on our side of course) to clear out the riffraff multiculturists who are out to destroy American culture. :angry


Hey THX,
How many hours a day does it take to search the internet & find all this grand conspiracy stuff? Does it pay? Is there some link site from lunaticfringe.com or something? Is it a good substitute for a life? Just curious. It all just seems like a lot of :deadhorse . :lol:

[thx1138]

Only a few hours a day. I've been doing this a long time so I know where all the "good stuff" is. I do it for free. I want people to know what's really happening in the world so that they can possibly prepare. BTW: Are you calling banker Warburg a conspiracy theorist?

[hippifried]

Well it's been a while, but if memory serves, from all the stuff I read back during the cold war, the Warburgs were the conspirators, & the enemy from both the left & right extremes.

[thx1138]

try Queen Elizabeth. Defensor Fidei.

[hippifried]

:?:

[bkkldby]

get informed, stay informed and inform, it is our only hope.

when will people start to read again?

[thx1138]

None are so blind as those who will not see.

[hippifried]

Apathy is also a vote.

None of the above needs to be on the ballot.

[El Nino]

Of heard it said now many times, "Ron Paul Cured My Apathy"

[thx1138]

@ el nino: good one!

[Rogers]

Only a few hours a day. I've been doing this a long time so I know where all the "good stuff" is. I do it for free. I want people to know what's really happening in the world so that they can possibly prepare. BTW: Are you calling banker Warburg a conspiracy theorist?
Can I ask why you like this sort of thing, thx1138? It's not a loaded question, I'm just interested in why you spend an eigth of your waking day looking at this stuff. Can I also ask what decade of your life you're in, and do you have a good imagination? You wouldn't be a writer would you? These are not loaded questions.

[El Nino]

Maybe he cares about the state of his country? Maybe he isn't completely sucked in to the NFL, brainwashed by meaningless reality T.V. and dumbed down by fluoridated water and MSG burgers. Maybe he's taken the opportunity to study some history himself and has derived some of this information from a non-americanized source? Maybe he is on to a worth while cause?

[Rogers]

Maybe he cares about the state of his country? Maybe he isn't completely sucked in to the NFL, brainwashed by meaningless reality T.V. and dumbed down by fluoridated water and MSG burgers. Maybe he's taken the opportunity to study some history himself and has derived some of this information from a non-americanized source? Maybe he is on to a worth while cause?
And your point is? The vast majority of people like the ones you've described above, El Nino, aren't conspiracy theorists.

10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists

3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.

5. Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor. Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.

6. Inability to tell good evidence from bad. Conspiracy theorists have no place for peer-review, for scientific knowledge, for the respectability of sources. The fact that a claim has been made by anybody, anywhere, is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that the questions it raises be answered, as if intellectual enquiry were a matter of responding to every rumour. While they do this, of course, they will claim to have "open minds" and abuse the sceptics for apparently lacking same.
http://www.urban75.org/info/conspiraloons.html

[hippifried]

No need for "Occam's razor" if you're not old enough to shave.

[thx1138]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59713

[Rogers]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59713
I'll say it again, and your point is? World government will eventually happen unless civilization collapses. OMG, shock, horrror!!! Any scholar of history knows this, it doesn't mean there's a global conspiracy going on. There is no doubt that there are powerful people with strong views on how they want the world to go, but that doesn't mean they're pushing that much against what the majority of humans want... peace and security. It's just part of a natural trend that occurs in organic systems, first there were single-celled organisms then there were multi-cellular ones, life naturally builds upwards. If mankind is going to survive it has to colonize space, how do you think that's going to happen with numerous governments competing and warring against each other for ever dwindling resources, thx1138? We sit on this rock fighting and we will become extinct, it's that simple.

But, hey, I would say that wouldn't I? Because I'm one of the Illuminati... LMFAO. "Your" theories are artificial artifacts of modern society, but at least you're not pushing the old "jewish conspiracy" one. Fear of change and the unknown seems to scare a lot of people, but change and the unknown doesn't mean there's a conspiracy going on. I really suggest you read some world and ancient history, and perhaps something about the dynamics of biological sytems, i.e. look at the big picture and try not to dwell on the here and now so much. That's the only way you'll ever really understand what's going on.

The future teaches you to be alone
The present to be afraid and cold
- Manic Street Preachers.

[El Nino]

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts, absolutely.

Rogers you make some compelling arguments. However, it does not hold water. It is peaceful relationships that are important between SEPARATE nations. One singular, draconian global government would only give rise to mass conflict and perpetual violent uprising. This would nullify cultural diversity and make the world more diseased than it is now. Shouldn't you be hanging around with David Rockefeller or something?

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts, absolutely.

[Rogers]

It is peaceful relationships that are important between SEPARATE nations.
But that's exactly the basis of both N.A.T.O. and the U.N.. And exactly how many world wars have there been since these international and worldwide organizations came into existence, El Nino? Zero.


One singular, draconian global government would only give rise to mass conflict and perpetual violent uprising. This would nullify cultural diversity and make the world more diseased than it is now.
Despite many of its member governments being draconian the U.N. (loose world gov.) is not, and there's no real reason to believe that stronger world gov. should be anymore so. They said that the world would end when the E.U. was formed, that it was the “Whore of Babylon” as predicted in the Book of Revelations. Did the world end? No. The E.U. seems to be doing far better than the U.S. and all signs point to this trend only strengthening. Hell, the Arabs may switch their oil trading currency to the Euro anyday now that Commander Chimpy has fucked the U.S. economy with his tax-cutting, borrowing and spending, and his foreign adventures... just like his daddy. If Dubya and the Neo-cons had followed International Law and towed the U.N. line, would the Second Gulf War have happened? I think not. World gov. may only serve to put an end to such unilateralism.


Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
The correct phrase is, "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." - Lord Acton.
Lord Acton was a strong liberal. Absolute power cannot be obtained in a liberal democracy because of the checks and balances in place, and I would never argue in favor of any non-democratic government whether national or international.

Separation of powers
No democratic system exists with an absolute separation of powers or an absolute lack of separation of powers. Nonetheless, some systems are clearly founded on the principle of separation of powers, while others are clearly based on a mingling of powers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers

Examples of the separation of powers in democracies are the executive, the legislature, and the judiciary.


Shouldn't you be hanging around with David Rockefeller or something?
I wish!!! Being a professional biologist doesn't pay that well, I'm only in it for job satisfaction. Rockefeller is more Quinn's company. I suggest you have a look at the documentary series I've linked to on the following thread if you have the time, El Nino. I know it probably won't change you're mind even if you do, but that's perhaps because you've been indoctrinated to think that all politicians and all government institutions are inherently bad because all humans cannot be trusted, but that's just not the case.
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=30139

As I've already pointed out the phrase is, "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Auribus tenere lupum - I hold a wolf by the ears.

[El Nino]

You are whitewashing all of this Global order as benevolent and needed for world stability. The truth of the matter at hand and the reality is, is that these are all well planned out and engineered gateways to a global government run by power hungry psychopaths that want to wipe away 80% of the population. And you yourself are included in this indiscriminate mega-genocide. WAKE UP NOW! The greatest conspiracy of all, is the view that there are no government conspiracies. Learn the truth http://www.infowars.com Stream the radio show and learn about the power-elite

[hippifried]

Yeah, uh huh. Those communist capitalists are out to enslave us all. Conspiracies Я us.

[El Nino]

UN transformation proposed to create ’new world order’

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By Andrew Grice

Gordon Brown has begun secret talks with other world leaders on far-reaching reform of the United Nations Security Council as part of a drive to create a "new world order" and "global society".

The Prime Minister is drawing up plans to expand the number of permanent members in a move that will provoke fears that the veto enjoyed by Britain could be diluted eventually. The United States, France, Russia and China also have a veto but the number of members could be doubled to include India, Germany, Japan, Brazil and one or two African nations.

Mr Brown has discussed a shake-up of a structure created in 1945 to reflect the world's new challenges and power bases during his four-day trip to China and India. Last night, British sources revealed "intense discussions" on UN reform were under way and Mr Brown raised it whenever he met another world leader.

The Prime Minister believes the UN is punching below its weight. In 2003, it failed to agree on a fresh resolution giving explicit approval for military action in Iraq. George Bush then acted unilaterally, winning the support of Tony Blair.

UN reform is highly sensitive and Britain will not yet publish formal proposals for fear of uniting opponents against them. Mr Brown is trying to build a consensus for change first.

His aides are adamant that the British veto will not be negotiated away. One option is for the nations who join not to have a veto, at least initially. In a speech in Delhi today, the Prime Minister will say: "I support India's bid for a permanent place – with others – on an expanded UN Security Council." However, he is not backing Pakistan's demand for a seat if India wins one.

Mr Brown will unveil a proposal for the UN to spend £100m a year on setting up a "rapid reaction force" to stop "failed states" sliding back into chaos after a peace deal has been reached. Civilians such as police, administrators, judges and lawyers would work alongside military peace-keepers. "There is limited value in military action to end fighting if law and order does not follow," he will say. "So we must do more to ensure rapid reconstruction on the ground once conflicts are over – and combine traditional humanitarian aid and peace-keeping with stabilisation, recovery and development."

He will call for the World Bank to lead the fight against climate change as well as poverty in the developing world, and argue that the International Monetary Fund should prevent crises like the credit crunch rather than just resolve them.

Arriving in Delhi yesterday, Mr Brown said he wanted a "partnership of equals" between Britain and India as he called for closer trade links and co-operation against terrorism. He announced £825m of aid over the next three years – £500m of which will be spent on health and education.

Mr Brown is to bring back honorary knighthoods and other awards for cricketers from Commonwealth countries. He said: "Cricket is one of the great things that bind the Commonwealth together. It used to be that great cricketers from the Commonwealth would be recognised by the British nation I would like to see some of the great players in the modern era honoured."

Read Andrew Grice atindependent.co.uk/todayinpolitics

Security Council membership

The UN Security Council's membership has remained virtually unchanged since it first met in 1946.

Great Britain, the United States, the then Soviet Union, China and France were designated permanent members of the UN's most powerful body.

Initially, six other countries were elected to serve two-year spells on the council – in 1946 they were Australia, Brazil, Egypt, Mexico, the Netherlands and Poland.

The number of elected members, who are chosen to cover all parts of the globe, was increased to 10 in 1965. They are currently Belgium, Burkina Faso, Costa Rica, Croatia, Indonesia, Italy, Libya, Panama, South Africa and Vietnam.

Decisions made by the council require nine "yes" votes out of 15. Each permanent member has a veto over resolutions.

The issue of UN reform has long been on the agenda. One suggestion is that permanent membership could be expanded to 10 with India, Japan, Germany, Brazil and South Africa taking places. Any reform requires 128 nations, two-thirds, to support it in the assembly.

[guyone]

If they're in secret talks how did you find out about them?

[hippifried]

Zeroed in on the aura waves with his tinfoil hat.