COULD YOU HANDLE A REAL RELATIONSHIP WITH A TS???????

[MADEA]

FROM WHAT I READ ON HERE MOST OF YOU CANT. YOU JUST WANT FREE SEX AND CANT TAKE THE OTHER 90 PERCENT. COULD YOU HONESTYL DEAL WITH MEETING HER FAMILY? OR WALKING IN THE STREET AND HAVING SOMEONE SPOOK HER, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? WOULD YOU TRY AND HAVE SEX WITH HER GIRL FRIENDS BECAUSE THEY LOOK BETTER OR BECAUSE THEY HAVE BIGGER COCKS? WOULD YOU LET HER ESCORT OR WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GIVE HER MONEY NOT TO ESCORT? COULD YOU HANDLE KNOWING ANYBODY WITH $200 COULD FUCK YOUR GIRL? WHAT ABOUT GOING ON A PORN SITE AND SEEING HER SUCK DICK? COULD YOU HANDLE IT?
NYICE INBOXED ME AND TOLD ME TO STOP DOING SHOWS SO IM TRYING!!!

[suckseed]

Madea, I think that's a fair question. I thought about it for real a couple of weeks ago when I was talking to a ts in Portland, Or I called up from craigslist. I was just asking her some questions and when she had answered them we just chatted a while. Sh'e 23 and said she's pretty much given up on finding anyone who will stick around. I felt sorry for her and in fact had never really thought about how hard it must be for a ts, much less a ts hooker. Wasn't that a show with William Shatner? Anyway...yeah. You girls should probably think about the ramifications of that when deciding to be more than just gay boys. But you know what? No one's got it easy.

I spent last year getting over a breakup with one of the coolest women I've ever met, much less loved. I've had one night of sex - ONE - since her, and it was an emotionally empty experience. And as horny as I may seem here at times, holding someone I really care about is so much more important to me. To feel like I'm at home when I'm with her.

Maybe it would be easiest for you girls to date another TS. Because looking for love from the average guy here who just wants to squeeze the weasel to his fantasy of a pornstar and leave is just silly.

Of course, there's always the red-hot personals forum here.

[suckseed]

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[hwbs]

have had a few long relationships with ts.....i dont have problems with what u asked, cause its a fair question...but me personally i have no hangups...ive met girls families , been in the streets tons of times while the girls been spooked...it just comes with the territory...it isnt always easy (the day to day crap), but i have no regrets...

[Felicia Katt]

Anyway...yeah. You girls should probably think about the ramifications of that when deciding to be more than just gay boys. But you know what? No one's got it easy.

Being a TS is not a matter of choice, nor is it just a variation of drag.

http://www.looking-glass.greenend.org.uk/primer.htm

You should probably educate yourself about the ramifications of your posts. Because you know what? misstatements like yours don't make it any easier.

Felicia

[Vicki Richter]

I've found that a large chunk of men who date TS in LTR's have been mortally wounded by a woman cheating on them or fucking up their lives in some other way.

[LG]

Vicki said:

I've found that a large chunk of men who date TS in LTR's have been mortally wounded by a woman cheating on them or fucking up their lives in some other way.

Not sure where you're coming from, Vicki. This sounds like a huge generalisation to make and doesn't seem to make sense to me. Why not accept that, in the same way that you are wired to feel like women
and want to become women, we (trannylovers) are wired to admire and appreciate people like you. And even though it may start off as a sexual obsession, it honestly does grow into something deeper than that.

I don't understand the TG psyche, if there is such a thing, nor have I ever claimed to. Nor can I speak for all the guys here. But I just don't see how a disappointment with a woman might cause someone to fancy transgendered girls.

Felicia Katt said:

suckseed wrote:

Anyway...yeah. You girls should probably think about the ramifications of that when deciding to be more than just gay boys. But you know what? No one's got it easy.
Being a TS is not a matter of choice, nor is it just a variation of drag.

I'm sure suckseed was writing at least partly in jest, at least I hope he was. I'm sure there is a huge difference between the two, and I would be willing to listen to someone explaining it more thoroughly. I think I have a rough idea, though. I've had online chats and exchanged emails with both a handful of tgirls and a few drag queens and I must say they seem totally different. Drag queens seem to get a huge kick out of becoming women, but never do it 24/7. Many are gay or bi, in my experience but I've chatted with some that only like women- although they may appreciate the attention men may give them when they're dolled up- but most of them seem happy remaining as men and have no interest in ops or hormones. They live two lives and seem perfectly happy. Not so with t-girls.

So to answer the original question- could I have a real relationship with a ts? Well, I think so, and though I've never had the chance to, I would love to try and find out. I would have no problem meeting her friends (yes, even if they looked better or had bigger cocks- I wouldn't cheat on a GG gf and I wouldn't cheat on a TG gf) or meeting her family. Her meeting my family would be more tricky. Would I tell them she was TG, even if she was unspookable? I'm not sure.

Would I mind her being an escort or a model? Yeah. But then again I wouldn't want my GG girlfriend doing the same. If I had enough money to support her, and enough clout to help her find a decent paying job, those questions go straight out the window. Tgirls are not whores by definition, MADEA.

You're making all tgirls sound like cheap tramps and all of us guys sound like sex-obsessed size queens. We're not like that. Well maybe you are, but I'm not.

There are too many labels. There is too much prejudice. Things certainly are not easy for transgendered people. But they're not easy for their admirers either.

To all the girls out there:

You have my utmost admiration for trying to be who you want to be in life. Most people settle for an unhappy existence in the comfort zone. You do not. Instead you have the courage to be the person you feel that you should have always been.

So please excuse us all. Sometimes we seem a shall shallow, a little sex-obsessed (can't help it- many of you are so gorgeous, and hey, we're fascinated by the possibilites, real or imagined), but sex is an important part of life and the spark in so many relationships. So yeah, we want to have sex with you (well, I know I do). But it doesn't mean we don't want to talk, to kiss, to love you, to be with you, to buy you things.

Maybe we're just not as brave as all of you.

Increase the peace.

[suckseed]

True enough, Vicki. So I've got that going for me. Which is nice.

Felicia, you're probably right too. No offense meant.

I guess the part that holds up is, nobody said this was going to be easy.

And I always try to think about people that have it really rough. Like the tsunami event.

Here's a question for you girls. How long has your longest relationship lasted?

Me - 6 years. 'Course I'm 31. Older than you all probably. My last was 2 years.

[suckseed]

Kind of you to say so LG, but no, to be honest, I was writing through fatigue and being a little pissed, and out of ignorance. I probably pissed off every girl in here. It's like thinking you're not prejudiced and then finding a part of the way you think is.
I'm probably in the category of trans-curious (my experiences are limited), could be friends with anybody potentially, but primarily attacted to gg's. So I won't be getting any Christmas cards from any of you girls.
Was my good-for-you-vicki-you-don't escort remark elsewhere a slam on those that do? Hmm. I guess by definition the opposite of a compliment is an insult. But let's get real here. It's better not to pay for sex. Feel sorry for those that don't know love. And escorts? Do you do it for the money? Then by extension you'd not do it if you didn't need or want the cash. If a girl here doesn't escort, then I think she's showing how it can be done.
Unless she's a trust fund kid. In which case...congratulations I guess. Hope you help others too. But, hey, this is none of my business, really.
I admit I don't know how you think. (Hell, I don't know how gg's think.) I've never had a single conversation with a transexual that wasn't sexually oriented. Except here of course. So girls. Help us guys that are trying to understand you out. I'm not here trying to get into your pants. (Not anymore! :wink: ) Why not write a little manifesto?

[suckseed]

http://www.tsgirlfriend.com/

Felicia, I'll start reading now. actually tomorrow, it's late. 5 til 3am. jesus
two more weeks and i'll have a life.

[Ecstatic]

FROM WHAT I READ ON HERE MOST OF YOU CANT. YOU JUST WANT FREE SEX AND CANT TAKE THE OTHER 90 PERCENT. COULD YOU HONESTYL DEAL WITH MEETING HER FAMILY? OR WALKING IN THE STREET AND HAVING SOMEONE SPOOK HER, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? WOULD YOU TRY AND HAVE SEX WITH HER GIRL FRIENDS BECAUSE THEY LOOK BETTER OR BECAUSE THEY HAVE BIGGER COCKS? WOULD YOU LET HER ESCORT OR WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GIVE HER MONEY NOT TO ESCORT? COULD YOU HANDLE KNOWING ANYBODY WITH $200 COULD FUCK YOUR GIRL? WHAT ABOUT GOING ON A PORN SITE AND SEEING HER SUCK DICK? COULD YOU HANDLE IT?
NYICE INBOXED ME AND TOLD ME TO STOP DOING SHOWS SO IM TRYING!!!
Your questions reflect the misconception that all TS are escorts or pornstars. Most TS are not escorts nor adult entertainers but simply people trying to live their lives without "putting it out there" that way.

That said, you do raise some valid points, some of which really can't be answered except by speculation. I can honestly say I'm not interested just in sex (free or otherwise) but value friendship more highly. Her being spooked would not bother me unless it bothered her. I would not try and have sex with her friends because they look better, but I would probably want to, that's just human nature. How would I know they have bigger cocks?

The rest of your questions totally presume that the TS in question is an escort/pornstar.


Her meeting my family would be more tricky. Would I tell them she was TG, even if she was unspookable? I'm not sure.
Outstanding response, LG. You covered all the ground I would, and extremely well from our shared perspective of being men who are deeply attracted to TS. Regarding the point of telling my family (or friends) that she's TG, well, I think that would be up to her. There are members of my family who would have a hard time accepting such a situation, which would make it hard for me to tell them, but personally I would be fine with it. But I wouldn't tell them she's a TG unless she wanted me to do so.

At least, that's how I see it from the outside, a situation which isn't apt to change given my age (53) and marital status (married for 24 years).

[d]

blah been there done that. better question, do u girls want a real relationship with a guy?

[hondarobot]

Hehe, I checked out that tsgirlfriend site, suckseed, and I gotta admit it read a bit to me like some grade school "Fun With Dick And Jane" level material.

"Lesson 1 at our transsexual dating website is, not all girls were born female!"

Holy Shit! Looks like it's time to take some notes. Seriously though, I didn't really delve into the site, but it seemed a bit basic.

Here's an idea. Instead of looking for a TS girlfriend, if you really feel that you need a partner to complete you, try just looking for a Partner without specifics regarding her "bits and pieces". TS, GG, whatever. Some people get too focused on the minor details.

(Now I'm wondering if my Dick And Jane reference was some bizarre Fruedian thing. . .)

[tsfarrah]

I've been with my boyfriend for 5yrs now

we live together,he knows all my family,I know all of his

I started escorting after we got together

we have a great life together and were actually closer now than we were when we got together!

I think it really does depend on the people involved and what they both want out of life.

[blckhaze]

today no, im not ready,but if i met a TS and we connected, im sure id do my best. ive only known a couple ts', but only for escorting. All of them were real nice and in the future id like to get to know them more, if they let me. right now though, im not ready for a relationship past freindship, but wut the future hold noone knows but the Almighty.

[TrueBeauty TS]

Her meeting my family would be more tricky. Would I tell them she was TG, even if she was unspookable? I'm not sure.
Outstanding response, LG. You covered all the ground I would, and extremely well from our shared perspective of being men who are deeply attracted to TS. Regarding the point of telling my family (or friends) that she's TG, well, I think that would be up to her. There are members of my family who would have a hard time accepting such a situation, which would make it hard for me to tell them, but personally I would be fine with it. But I wouldn't tell them she's a TG unless she wanted me to do so.


I don't think telling your family that she is T is really anyone's business. I believe that is something personal between you and her. However, if your family or friends clock her and ask you if she is T (which would be in very bad taste, BTW) I think any girl would want you to be proud enough of her to stand up for both you and her.

I can think of nothing more devistating than having a BF that is ashamed or too embarrassed to be with you, be seen with you, or afraid to introduce you to his family and friends.

[Johnrex]

Vicki,

In response to your message posting about dating / having a relationship with a real ts as posted on the web site HungAngels, I can say for one I have been one of those men that has been wounded.

I got lead into believing that an I.S. (InterSexed) woman loved me and actually moved in with her. We each had our own rooms and beds and at first she wanted me to be with her in her bed all the time, but over the course of the year we stayed together, she grew distant and cold. We never did anything intimate, as I respected her wishes that she was never ready to be with a guy in that way. It was until Thanksgiving of 2003 that I learned that she had an affair with the neighbor's gf from across the street and then on February of 2004 she went out to a gay, lesbian bar with that same friend on Valentine's day after I came home from working 12 hours.

Even though I forgave her for what happened during these two things, The straw that broke my back is when she went up to Pheonix to have a girl night out and stayed with someone she met online. I found out later it was a lesbian woman. Although she denied nothing went on, I couldn't believe her. I ended up becoming depressed over the situation of being cheated on yet another time and when I tried to move out, I got yelled out and accused of not loving her. I didn't say anything because there was no use arguing when someone who lies and twists things to suit her advantage. So I felt helpless and lost. I was in a relationship with someone that I loved dearly and cared about (which wasn't even based on any physical being, but rather emotional) and that relationship was one sided, where I gave all, but didn't receive anything.

This lead me to the next stupid thing I did in my life, besides that of not just moving out of there and getting a place of my own in the first place. I tried to kill myself all because of her. The attempt failed and I admitted myself in a hospital where I learned that what I did was the most supidest thing in my life. She only visited me once during the time I was there, and that was the day before I was released. She came there and told me she didn't love me anymore and that being with guys made her feel sick. So the next day when I got out, I went and got a uhaul, moved out of the house and her life.

So, all the talk about ts woman wanting to be used as sex objects may be true at a point in their life, but there are some men out there that love peoople for WHO they are and not what they are who get hurt just as easily and may never have had a phsyical relationship (sex or otherwise) with a TS/IS woman. I just happen to be one of them.

I can also say that since this happened over a year ago, the desire for me to try to date again has left me. I cannot put trust into the words "I love you" as they are just empty words for me now.

I know that a lot of you, or most of you will think that I'm a coward, which is your own right, by choice, but not all guys are out there to get a quick lay/fuck/screw and those that do fall in love with a TS, IS, or even GG fall in love with them.

I can say something else as well, the old cliche saying of "The good guy finishes last" is true for some of us out in the world

John

[hondarobot]

Wait a minute, John. That was a sad story to be sure, but you moved in with her, had your own seperate rooms, and never had sex? Dude, that's called being room mates. I don't want to be harsh, but if there's nothing going on sex wise, you were just friends, at best.

I don't want to come down on ya, but I'm just saying. . .

[Hugh Jarrod]

My last relationship was with a TS a beautiful unclockable filipino gurl. However as it turned out I was just her boy toy and something on the side as she was already involved with a sugar daddy and when faced with the choice of giving up me or the money I guess the money was more important to her.

[roy404]

FROM WHAT I READ ON HERE MOST OF YOU CANT. YOU JUST WANT FREE SEX AND CANT TAKE THE OTHER 90 PERCENT. COULD YOU HONESTYL DEAL WITH MEETING HER FAMILY? OR WALKING IN THE STREET AND HAVING SOMEONE SPOOK HER, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? WOULD YOU TRY AND HAVE SEX WITH HER GIRL FRIENDS BECAUSE THEY LOOK BETTER OR BECAUSE THEY HAVE BIGGER COCKS? WOULD YOU LET HER ESCORT OR WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GIVE HER MONEY NOT TO ESCORT? COULD YOU HANDLE KNOWING ANYBODY WITH $200 COULD FUCK YOUR GIRL? WHAT ABOUT GOING ON A PORN SITE AND SEEING HER SUCK DICK? COULD YOU HANDLE IT?
NYICE INBOXED ME AND TOLD ME TO STOP DOING SHOWS SO IM TRYING!!!

In my many years around the TS world I have to say I have done most of what you mentioned. I have lived with a working girl TS, I have NOT tried to date her friends while we were dating. Some I have met there family and some have met mine. I went on Geraldo with a TS so all my friends knew. I have dated TS that have been in porn. But so have I so what can I say. I was legally married to a post-op and all was great till a personal problem overwhelmed our relationship-nothing to do with TS. A person has to know what they want when the get in a relationship. I never dated a TS because of her cock.
I
What you bring up is just like I see in topless bars. A guy starts dating a dancer and all of a sudden he wants her to quit. Why? That was her job and that was her lifestyle when he supposely fell for her. Would he give up his life style for her? I have had a few long relationships with dancers because I look at it as a JOB. If she is happy I should be for her. That same reasoning should transfer to the TS world.
I am now in a 5 year LTR with a TS. I know we will never split because besides love we have trust and alow each other freedom to do things the other may not want to. And I do not mean just sex things.
You must remember TS's are people also not cattle or dogs. But just as all life has it's trash so does my world and the TS world.

[boomer]

First of all I would love to meet a beautiful and have a relationship. I think the most widely accepted fact is that Nice guys do finish last, especially in this area. Most of the time the only places that men meet TSs is for sex, but since that is the most common way for an encounter that is all that is usually expected. It is highly unlikely that you will not be able to say "oh I would love a Tgirl as a girlfriend" unless you pay to be with them or someone you know already knows them. If you pay for a meeting with a girl and sit there and talk to here she probably is just going to keep letting you sit there and talk while she keeps taking you r money. So for most it is just about the sex.

[Ecstatic]

I've been with my boyfriend for 5yrs now
we live together,he knows all my family,I know all of his
I started escorting after we got together
we have a great life together and were actually closer now than we were when we got together!
I think it really does depend on the people involved and what they both want out of life.
That's fascinating, Farrah. Thanks for sharing your perspective as a TS. Interesting that you started escorting after you and he got together, which implies that he's accepting of it. Personally, it wouldn't bother me, as casual sex--whether with a friend or for money--isn't love and is no threat to a loving relationship (from my point of view, anyway). There's a huge difference between a romantic involvement (which may lead to love if it isn't already) and enjoyable but non-romantic sex.

I kind of have the opposite experience in my life: my wife (of 24 years, together for 30, who is the only person I want to spend my life with and can't see living without) is asexual; she has zero interest in sex. In an otherwise ideal marriage, this was a sore spot for years. Then I started seeing TS escorts on occasion (with her knowledge, immediately after my first encounter), and I got the outlet I need and she is relieved that I have. So we too have grown closer together as a result of something most would expect would drive you apart. Now if I fell in love with another woman (T or G), that would be a different story, but such is not the case. There are a couple of TGs I know well who I love as friends, but I'm not in love with. I care about them as I do any close friend, but that's as far as it goes.

[Ecstatic]

Her meeting my family would be more tricky. Would I tell them she was TG, even if she was unspookable? I'm not sure.
Outstanding response, LG. You covered all the ground I would, and extremely well from our shared perspective of being men who are deeply attracted to TS. Regarding the point of telling my family (or friends) that she's TG, well, I think that would be up to her. There are members of my family who would have a hard time accepting such a situation, which would make it hard for me to tell them, but personally I would be fine with it. But I wouldn't tell them she's a TG unless she wanted me to do so.


I don't think telling your family that she is T is really anyone's business. I believe that is something personal between you and her. However, if your family or friends clock her and ask you if she is T (which would be in very bad taste, BTW) I think any girl would want you to be proud enough of her to stand up for both you and her.

I can think of nothing more devistating than having a BF that is ashamed or too embarrassed to be with you, be seen with you, or afraid to introduce you to his family and friends.
Absolutely, True Beauty. I couldn't agree more. I've had a similar experience in the past, not with a T, but as a bisexual male, I've had one fairly serious if short-lived relationship with another man and was proud of my relationship with him. It was in a different part of the country than my family, so only a few friends knew about it, and it ended rather quickly when I met and fell in love with the woman I eventually married and am with to this day. And I've been out to dinner and shopping and the like with T friends of mine, and I'm definitely proud to be seen with them (of course, they are beautiful women so of course I was proud! and I imagine that most of the stares I got were "how'd that ugly dude get with that hot babe" rather than "my god that babe is a TS").

[Johnrex]

Well, all I know is that I'm out for sex.....if I want that I'll just sit at home and masterbate, which is by far the safest form of sex in existance and it also is more respectful then degrading myself to begging to gettied laid.

I'm sorry that there are some men that get hurt by TS (MtF) or (FtM) based on the way the person is. As for my earlier post, I'm one that got burned ad it has affected me greatly.

However, do I view ts/is/tg people as sexual objects...no I don't. Is it my desire to go out and meet one just the sole purpose of sex, my answer is no.

Will I ever find someone to fall in love with....maybe/maybe not....probably more to the not aspect since my trust has been destroyed. However I don't think ill or have any hatred towards anyone for what has happened. It's a fact of life, had it been with a g/g or not, it's just a lesson in life. Eventually I'll find in myself the dignity to start dating again and maybe this time find that special someone out there that will love me for me, not WHAT I have or WHAT I am, but for WHO I am. Likewise I"ll look for the same traits in that person. Wether it be a g/g, IS/TG.

At least one thing I know of myself and am proud. I was more faithful to the person that I loved then what she was to me and that is something that I know I will always be.

John

[Thuggish_Intellect]

YOU JUST WANT FREE SEX AND CANT TAKE THE OTHER 90 PERCENT.

This is a big ass assumption don’t you think? Do you know everyman that’s ever dated or pursued a transsexual? Furthermore, you’re assuming that every transsexual is an escort, hoe, prostitute, or trick turner, which is by and large not true at all.



COULD YOU HONESTYL DEAL WITH MEETING HER FAMILY?

Unless her family are Martians why not? Better question would be could she handle meeting mine? I find that to be a better question because we’d assume that her family is cool with “her” (to some mom’s she’ll always be a he) which wouldn’t be the case from an outsiders (my side of the family) point of view.

OR WALKING IN THE STREET AND HAVING SOMEONE SPOOK HER, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?


If we’ve reached that level of comfortability where she accepts me for me and I accept her for her, than I’d like to assume that the both of us are ride or die for one another against all odds. So being in the streets, the house, or the bed for that matter shouldn’t really bother us, and if it bothers others well,…Fuck them, basically.

WOULD YOU TRY AND HAVE SEX WITH HER GIRL FRIENDS BECAUSE THEY LOOK BETTER OR BECAUSE THEY HAVE BIGGER COCKS?


This phrase could be attribute to any type of relationship, minus the cock reference. If you were a genetic girl, would you say the same thing about your genetic girlfriends and your guy? That may be a trust issue YOU should handle before getting involved in any relationship.


WOULD YOU LET HER ESCORT OR WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GIVE HER MONEY NOT TO ESCORT?


It’s not about what I would let HER do because she’s a grown ass woman. Who am I to tell her what she can and can’t do. Would I like her doing it? Fuck No! But if those are the rules you play by so be it. The better thing to ask would be WOULD she want to change? Does she want/see better for herself? Would she respect enough as her MAN to not do that. As for the “giving her money not to escort” comment, I think that’s just plain stupid. I’m not giving any woman money not to do something she ain’t supposed to be doing in the first place. That’s like saying I’m gonna give you some money not to smoke crack or not to steal…If she’s my woman than she would know that she’s safe and protected. If I was a regular Joe flipping a 9-5 and she wanted out of that lifestyle, she’d have to go back to school, get a job, or get a paying hobby. That’s just me though. Take it or leave it. Relationships ain’t all x’s & o’s, sometimes shit gets ill...gotta take the good with the bad, learn how to build on it and keep it moving.


COULD YOU HANDLE KNOWING ANYBODY WITH $200 COULD FUCK YOUR GIRL? WHAT ABOUT GOING ON A PORN SITE AND SEEING HER SUCK DICK? COULD YOU HANDLE IT?
NYICE INBOXED ME AND TOLD ME TO STOP DOING SHOWS SO IM TRYING!!!


I think you went off into a tangent on this part. Because if SHE was a real woman, who wanted all the above, she’d know better in the first place than to go do stupid shit like that if she’s in a committed relationship. Again, something SHE would have to take issue with before getting into a committed relationship. Of course this is all based upon the assumption that she was an escort, prostitute, or porn actress in the first place…

[flabbybody]

In my experince, the hardest thing about a relationship is the time zone difference. With a tgirl, her day starts at night and my day ends at night. When I'm going to bed, she's waking up. If I gave up my 9-5 gig it could work, but then who would pay the bills?

[hillbilly]

can i take it? well yeah but i can handle the dentist too.

[tsluver247]

Good question. I never have looked for a relationship with a TS, so I can not speak from experience. So far, I admit I see them as sexual objects as well as I see most women. Don't misunderstand me. I love beautiful women and t-girls. If they are good looking enough, I will go talk to them. If they have a personality that is uninteresting from the conversation, in my opinion, I will not seek anything from them. If I feel from the conversation, that it will just be sex and I am horny (not odd), I will pursue it. If it cost money, then it is becomes a financial decision. All about value, in my eyes.

If I feel from the conversation that they have a great personality and I feel they like me and like my personality and they want a relationship more than just sex and I am game, I do not see any problem with taking a TS out or just hanging out with a TS. Right now, I can not see a long term relationship with a TS. I am very picky with looks and personality of the women I date for long-term focus. It depends on their looks, initial conversation, and feelings for one another (two-way street). Like I said, I am very picky about long term commitments from a woman or TS.

Sex is a different topic and thought process. Is she good looking? How's her personality from the brief conversation (do they seem like a scrammer or pushy or too aggressive?)? Is she OK with a one-night stand? If she asks for money, do I have the money? If yes, do I think there is value for the money I will pay?

[ABSOLUTE SHADE]

In my experince, the hardest thing about a relationship is the time zone difference. With a tgirl, her day starts at night and my day ends at night. When I'm going to bed, she's waking up. If I gave up my 9-5 gig it could work, but then who would pay the bills?

Not all trannies are like that....I know alot are...but not all!

[Ts Laura]

what i have found out for myself and for others and it is alot on the other persons side of the relationship.

if you as a person has grown up and gotten to that point in life were what you drive or what you own isn't purchased just to impress the friends and you don't really care about those opinions and only what you want and what you enjoy then you can pretty much date anyone you wish. i have personally noticed over my relationships with guys that the more comfortable he is around tgirls, the more comfortable his friends are around her also. i have seen it happen so many times with myself just on the friend level of how true it is. i have alot of hetero friends that are married and i know them and there children, most of the time the husband has voiced a concern that i am a tgirl and they ask alot of questions before i have met them, not long after that i alwasy hear something to the fact of girl or they had no clue how we actually were in real life and that many of us are just like there wife and so on. the kids i find to be the most non worried about it than anyone. i can't tell you how many times when i first meet someones family that the kids are not crawling all over me as Ms Laura and so on or waking up in ponytails as the daughter couldn't resist and so on. basically i took along time to say, you date those you enjoy being around and those that are true friends/family are going to accept you and who you date for what you show them, treat her like you see her and so will they, there are almost always problems at first with family or close friends, but after a short time when they see the girl, how she is and how he is around her those worries are gone. best example i can give is my ex g/f i met her family and talk about a ton of questions from the mom before i got there, 2 days into the holiday we were eating dinner and her mother blurts out, i always had known you were a lesbian, i about spit my food out gagging trying not to laugh. "mainly because it was partly true, flannel shirst for her, old job she had, way she behaved , loved sports on tv and very aggressive at guys when looking at us when we shot pool or went out lol.

hope i made sense on the topic as it pertained more of a question to the men i guess but i felt like putting my worthless 2 cents in lol, that and it is late and long day of travel so i felt like doing something before bed lol
night

[MISTYNITELY]

Sometims i find myself wondering how u can send all ur life becomning ts to be witha woman.Then bam it hits me!There have been times in my life i been so lonely that i would welcome anyone in my life whether it be man woman gay or st8 just as long as the understood me and cared. ive dated a guy out of sheer lonliness and convienence and i projected my view of an ideal man on to him only to find when i really got to know him i was in bed witha stranger.For me i like to really get to know someone and be froends b4 i get into anything serious .Ive met some parents only to find when i want to leave the relationship he say i cant because he told his family about us.I mean the more hormones i take and live asa woman the more it seems ive lost touche with the male psyche and i cant undersatnd them anymore .My mom always told me not to expect anything from a man and u will be better off.I mean if u deal with only these online types and club men what do u expect?In my experience 75% of myltrs happened by chance not on purpose{when i waasnt looking or lonelyIwas raised in afamily of women and i seen them go thru allot of the things we do so i try not to single out my ts status as being the culprit of why i havent met the right guy.I really do beleive theres somebody for evrbody!keep the faith

[Vicki Richter]

I think most TS are their own worst enemies when it comes to dating. They get jaded by dating the 20-something player guys who wouldn't be ready for a relationship even if they were just into GG's. 66% of marriages end in divorce. In California the divorce rate was something silly like high 90 percentile in one study. Relationships are statistically bound to fail to begin with. The odds are against everyone.

If a TS wants a relationship she should go out and get a college degree (or other professional skill) and get a normal job. There are plenty of employers out there willing to hire TS. The problem is, none of them pay $250+ an hour. Sex work is about relatively easy money. Sure it's a higher risk profession in some ways so the pay should be more. I wouldn't date a male prostitute so why should girls get all jaded and expect guys to? Why should the guy give you money to stop hooking? Unbelievable.

I've thought a lot about this stuff. Girls it's not about you having a dick instead of a pussy. It's not about meeting their parents, it's about the line of work you are in and the type of guys you like. Even with normal dating, the Tom Cruise looking guys are going to be players a lot of times. There are so many guys 30ish+ who are ready and willing to date a TS long term. Many TS girls suffer from the diva complex and think that the men they date should have 6 or 7 figure net worth, or look like Dean Caine.... or both. Millions of attractive GG women settle for less.

I've got dozens of TS acquaintences who live all over the country and it seems like a lot of the sex workers share the same issues. I don't think this issue is TS specific, I think it's sex worker specific... then combine it with being a T and you now have a real challenge. It takes a strong and unique kind of guy to do that... It's the law of declining averages that girls can't comprehend... It's more simple math and just using some basic educated guesses you can see how it works. I am sure I could put a real formula to it if I had to.

# of guys into TS = 10%
# of guys into TS who would date a TS = 3%
# of guys into TS who would date a TS long term who is a sex worker .5%

If you want access to the other 2.5% of guys out there willing to be in an LTR, find another profession. Use the escort money to finance another career or something. You should anyway because I forgot to list the % of guys where age of the girl is a factor too.

How many shemale escorts have goals? That is what I want to know. Is there a time that you plan to quit sex work? I'm a sex worker too but just in a slightly different line of work. I'm in the same boat as any other girl, but I have already got my education. I'm just being greedy right now.

Anyway, my intent is really to suggest that some girls should lay off the guys. There are good and bad ones in every genre, it's just amazing that I see so many potential LTR type guys being ignored and then see girls bitching constantly about how they are treated... and yes, I've been taken home to meet guys kids, sisters, and other family/friends. No parents yet, but that might be because of the age of the guys I trust to date.

V

[MISTYNITELY]

Thats what i was saying but longer and drawn outlol.As for me i have escorted and sometimes i havent and have settled and gotten a real job so there are places that hire ts ive worked asa woman in all my 9-5s and if anybody knew it was my boss and he/she told none as long as i did a good job ..hell i was a manager for toys r us !As far as having a relationship while im escorting is something i wont do beause im not acheater and to me its cheating.Now if i meet somone during this time i do have the intelligence and capability to scrap escorting and get a real jobso we can live happy.I ts does not take an mba to be stable if u make the effort and find the right job "EVRYONE MUST CRAWL B4 THEY WALK"!as thuggish intellect says u have to find someone who u are both willing to "crawl"grow and build with.ESCORTING ,STRIPPING.FILMS ETC IS ALLSEXWORK AND NONE IS ABOVE THE OTHER!It all begins with u ur standards ,goals,and acceptance of urself on how life turns out 4 u ..just my opinion and view

[Vicki Richter]

Thats what i was saying but longer and drawn outlol.As for me i have escorted and sometimes i havent and have settled and gotten a real job so there are places that hire ts ive worked asa woman in all my 9-5s and if anybody knew it was my boss and he/she told none as long as i did a good job ..hell i was a manager for toys r us !As far as having a relationship while im escorting is something i wont do beause im not acheater and to me its cheating.Now if i meet somone during this time i do have the intelligence and capability to scrap escorting and get a real jobso we can live happy.I ts does not take an mba to be stable if u make the effort and find the right job "EVRYONE MUST CRAWL B4 THEY WALK"!as thuggish intellect says u have to find someone who u are both willing to "crawl"grow and build with.ESCORTING ,STRIPPING.FILMS ETC IS ALLSEXWORK AND NONE IS ABOVE THE OTHER!It all begins with u ur standards ,goals,and acceptance of urself on how life turns out 4 u ..just my opinion and view

I like how you think a lot and I agree. I also consider sex work cheating. Agreed on the mba comment too. That is why I said or professional skill of some sort. I just would think sex work would be ideal for working one's way through college. When I was in college I was making $250 a week (before taxes) working full time while going to school nights and weekends. If I could have made that or more in an hour it would have made my life so much easier.

[Ecstatic]

For some girls it's all about Prada and Guuci, but for others there is a long term plan. While I unabashedly love seeing a TG as an escort, I'm also very happy to hear when a girl I know has made a great investment in her future and has the long term plan in mind.

[MISTYNITELY]

Well to me i already am/look like a model and give off that aura so why would i need prada or gucci?Dont those girls know allot of models dont even wear the stuff they pose for?Allot of my models friends wear thrifty items with just one high end designer item.In fact i know some girls who buy those items and dont even have money for rent.I always buy street wear type labels like guess etc.in my younger years i didnt save anything after awhile i got tired of living from paychek to paychek pay to payoff.always wonderin if i"ll make any or enuff money that day or night so a light bulb went off in my head and i opend a bank account!!U cant imagine my relief!It is tru that the abscence of stress and worry is definately good for mental and physical health{natural botox].I actually was able to smile again :D .I cant beleive some girls dont have a bank account or the smarts to save!

[TrueBeauty TS]

For some girls it's all about Prada and Guuci, but for others there is a long term plan. While I unabashedly love seeing a TG as an escort, I'm also very happy to hear when a girl I know has made a great investment in her future and has the long term plan in mind.


I'm going to make a - possibly - unpopular comment, but I think guys see a certain "status" in dating an escort or "porn star". In my opinion, a lot of guys don't want a T girl that has just a normal job, they want to brag and show off " the hot sex worker" they can get at all the TS clubs.

I'm not even talking about looks. We all know there are some sex workers that are just pretty, maybe not hot at all, but because of the fact that they have this sex worker title, their image gets blown up more than the hot looking TS girl that works a regular "unglamourous" job.

[Thuggish_Intellect]

Anyway, my intent is really to suggest that some girls should lay off the guys. There are good and bad ones in every genre, it's just amazing that I see so many potential LTR type guys being ignored and then see girls bitching constantly about how they are treated... and yes, I've been taken home to meet guys kids, sisters, and other family/friends. No parents yet, but that might be because of the age of the guys I trust to date.

V


Wow a voice of reason...

[Hugh Jarrod]

I think most TS are their own worst enemies when it comes to dating. They get jaded by dating the 20-something player guys who wouldn't be ready for a relationship even if they were just into GG's. 66% of marriages end in divorce. In California the divorce rate was something silly like high 90 percentile in one study. Relationships are statistically bound to fail to begin with. The odds are against everyone.

If a TS wants a relationship she should go out and get a college degree (or other professional skill) and get a normal job. There are plenty of employers out there willing to hire TS. The problem is, none of them pay $250+ an hour. Sex work is about relatively easy money. Sure it's a higher risk profession in some ways so the pay should be more. I wouldn't date a male prostitute so why should girls get all jaded and expect guys to? Why should the guy give you money to stop hooking? Unbelievable.

I've thought a lot about this stuff. Girls it's not about you having a dick instead of a pussy. It's not about meeting their parents, it's about the line of work you are in and the type of guys you like. Even with normal dating, the Tom Cruise looking guys are going to be players a lot of times. There are so many guys 30ish+ who are ready and willing to date a TS long term. Many TS girls suffer from the diva complex and think that the men they date should have 6 or 7 figure net worth, or look like Dean Caine.... or both. Millions of attractive GG women settle for less.

I've got dozens of TS acquaintences who live all over the country and it seems like a lot of the sex workers share the same issues. I don't think this issue is TS specific, I think it's sex worker specific... then combine it with being a T and you now have a real challenge. It takes a strong and unique kind of guy to do that... It's the law of declining averages that girls can't comprehend... It's more simple math and just using some basic educated guesses you can see how it works. I am sure I could put a real formula to it if I had to.

# of guys into TS = 10%
# of guys into TS who would date a TS = 3%
# of guys into TS who would date a TS long term who is a sex worker .5%

If you want access to the other 2.5% of guys out there willing to be in an LTR, find another profession. Use the escort money to finance another career or something. You should anyway because I forgot to list the % of guys where age of the girl is a factor too.

How many shemale escorts have goals? That is what I want to know. Is there a time that you plan to quit sex work? I'm a sex worker too but just in a slightly different line of work. I'm in the same boat as any other girl, but I have already got my education. I'm just being greedy right now.

Anyway, my intent is really to suggest that some girls should lay off the guys. There are good and bad ones in every genre, it's just amazing that I see so many potential LTR type guys being ignored and then see girls bitching constantly about how they are treated... and yes, I've been taken home to meet guys kids, sisters, and other family/friends. No parents yet, but that might be because of the age of the guys I trust to date.

V


Amen Vicki a true voice of reason. I agree completely. Many gurls ignore LTR type guys and then do nothing but bitch, or look for a rich good looking guy who makes 6 figures etc. As far as I see you can count me as a .5%er, yet I'm not a guy who makes 6 figures I partied away my 20's and currently find myself at a job I hate and returning to school to get a better job or at least one I like. Was offered a job in porn but didn't get the chance to take it. Though now I know I would if offered again. I do well because I am a fairly attractive guy yet when many of these gurls find I don't make a lot of money they seem to change face.

[ziffy007]

:roll: I think anyone who is paranoid about their girlfriend being "clocked" "spooked" , meeting family etc. is NOT ready for the great privelage of knowing and enoying or having the lovely exprerience of a relationship with a beautiful lady who happens to be a transsexual :roll:

When I am with my transsexual girlfriends , I'm far too happy being with her to feel and concern whatsoever or to be even thinking so stupidly ! When walking on the street it is NOT I who am worried about being "clocked " or "spooked " !! On the contrary it is I who am doing the "clocking " I will be clocking other couples , and feeling the utmost PITY for any man unfortunate enough not to be with or have the joy of knowing a beautiful lady who just happens to be a transsexual !!! :roll:

ziffy - u.k.

Such paranoia as some have stated is plain stupid !! :roll: . Other people are far too busy to be looking at or worrying about what me and my girldfriend might or might not doing !!. They all have their own problems , troubles lives to lead etc ; without poking their noses into MY private business !!!

Anyone wanting the great privelage of being with beautful lady who happens to be transsexual, should be either PROUD or else just FORGET IT !!!! :roll:

( Next you see a gay couple for example holding hands , showing affection, or stealing a quick kiss , note how they are IN NO WAY " apologetic " they're re dignified and proud !!. and quite Rightly so !!! :roll: It's Their business - NO ONE else's !!!! :roll: )

We with our partners who happen to be beautiful transsexuals , should have EXACTLY THE SAME PRIDE !!! :roll:

[Ecstatic]

I have no stats to back this up, but I wonder what percentage of girls waste their income on designer clothes and/or drugs and living the fast life vs. saving for the future and making some wise business investments. Of course, part of the designer look is a business investment, since guys want their girls (even if "only" an escort) to look great, but how many outfits do you need for that? And drugs...well, I certainly did my share in my youth (child of the 60s don't you know, so lots of pot, shrooms, acid back in the day), so although I haven't done any in the past quarter century I don't judge anyone who does. But it can burn you out, both physically and financially.

But anyway, I think a fair number of girls are much wiser, and I'm happy to see that.

Speaking of stats, I like Vicki's stats (well, yes, those stats, lol, but I mean the ones above). I would be in the 3% and with the right girl in the .5%, other than being married that is. :)

[Bluejay]

Ziffy,

You've hit the nail right on the head!

Me and my beautiful lady have been going strong for five years now.

Do I care what others may think?! NO

[dj4monie]

For some girls it's all about Prada and Guuci, but for others there is a long term plan. While I unabashedly love seeing a TG as an escort, I'm also very happy to hear when a girl I know has made a great investment in her future and has the long term plan in mind.


I'm going to make a - possibly - unpopular comment, but I think guys see a certain "status" in dating an escort or "porn star". In my opinion, a lot of guys don't want a T girl that has just a normal job, they want to brag and show off " the hot sex worker" they can get at all the TS clubs.

I'm not even talking about looks. We all know there are some sex workers that are just pretty, maybe not hot at all, but because of the fact that they have this sex worker title, their image gets blown up more than the hot looking TS girl that works a regular "unglamourous" job.


I dunno about unpopular but that whole thing didn't make much sense...

I could care less what somebody does for a living, seems everybody has some issue with what I'm doing and its not glamourous by any standards either.

The sex trade is a 3 BILLION dollar a year industry. You would be a FOOL not to take advantage of that if you could. I'm comfortable with one lifestyle that's not generally discussed around here and that's swinging.

Not that I want to really get involved with partner swapping and everything but attending events can and is actually kinda fun.

Those that aren't comfortable with themselves generally have the hardest time in relationships.

I'll be honest and say I would draw the line in the sand at streetwalker, but if you escorting or doing porn that really wouldn't bother me. Just because somebody does porn doesn't make them more attractive to me, just the fact that I find them attractive is enough for me, you could be an underwater welder for all I care (that pays very well I might add).

[dj4monie]

I think most TS are their own worst enemies when it comes to dating. They get jaded by dating the 20-something player guys who wouldn't be ready for a relationship even if they were just into GG's. 66% of marriages end in divorce. In California the divorce rate was something silly like high 90 percentile in one study. Relationships are statistically bound to fail to begin with. The odds are against everyone.

If a TS wants a relationship she should go out and get a college degree (or other professional skill) and get a normal job. There are plenty of employers out there willing to hire TS. The problem is, none of them pay $250+ an hour. Sex work is about relatively easy money. Sure it's a higher risk profession in some ways so the pay should be more. I wouldn't date a male prostitute so why should girls get all jaded and expect guys to? Why should the guy give you money to stop hooking? Unbelievable.

I've thought a lot about this stuff. Girls it's not about you having a dick instead of a pussy. It's not about meeting their parents, it's about the line of work you are in and the type of guys you like. Even with normal dating, the Tom Cruise looking guys are going to be players a lot of times. There are so many guys 30ish+ who are ready and willing to date a TS long term. Many TS girls suffer from the diva complex and think that the men they date should have 6 or 7 figure net worth, or look like Dean Caine.... or both. Millions of attractive GG women settle for less.

I've got dozens of TS acquaintences who live all over the country and it seems like a lot of the sex workers share the same issues. I don't think this issue is TS specific, I think it's sex worker specific... then combine it with being a T and you now have a real challenge. It takes a strong and unique kind of guy to do that... It's the law of declining averages that girls can't comprehend... It's more simple math and just using some basic educated guesses you can see how it works. I am sure I could put a real formula to it if I had to.

# of guys into TS = 10%
# of guys into TS who would date a TS = 3%
# of guys into TS who would date a TS long term who is a sex worker .5%

If you want access to the other 2.5% of guys out there willing to be in an LTR, find another profession. Use the escort money to finance another career or something. You should anyway because I forgot to list the % of guys where age of the girl is a factor too.

How many shemale escorts have goals? That is what I want to know. Is there a time that you plan to quit sex work? I'm a sex worker too but just in a slightly different line of work. I'm in the same boat as any other girl, but I have already got my education. I'm just being greedy right now.

Anyway, my intent is really to suggest that some girls should lay off the guys. There are good and bad ones in every genre, it's just amazing that I see so many potential LTR type guys being ignored and then see girls bitching constantly about how they are treated... and yes, I've been taken home to meet guys kids, sisters, and other family/friends. No parents yet, but that might be because of the age of the guys I trust to date.

V


Amen Vicki a true voice of reason. I agree completely. Many gurls ignore LTR type guys and then do nothing but bitch, or look for a rich good looking guy who makes 6 figures etc. As far as I see you can count me as a .5%er, yet I'm not a guy who makes 6 figures I partied away my 20's and currently find myself at a job I hate and returning to school to get a better job or at least one I like. Was offered a job in porn but didn't get the chance to take it. Though now I know I would if offered again. I do well because I am a fairly attractive guy yet when many of these gurls find I don't make a lot of money they seem to change face.

Because T's think they can insulate themselves from the generally public if they had access and status.

Gee don't GG's think that way too? lol

[Trogdor]

I've found that a large chunk of men who date TS in LTR's have been mortally wounded by a woman cheating on them or fucking up their lives in some other way.

You hit the nail right on the head, Vicki.

I got really toasted by girls over the past decade.

Such as one girl in my first year of high school pretending to be really into me, and it was in fact an act to get cheap laugh. And another girl I knew used to date a real asshole jerk who treated her like crap, and we got along well and stuff, we were planning to start dating, but she, at the LAST minute mind you, informs me she is BACK with the jerk......and he got her knocked up and left her.....way to go babe :roll: And these are just a sample of the hell some chicks put me through. :?

So yea, I got pretty burned

[GMan]

Well, I guess I'll add my two cents...for what it is worth...

I just got out of a relationship with a transwoman, and....to be honest...it was a very fulfilling relationship. She met and knew a good majority of my friends, and they were all cool as fuck about it. She always kept saying how she was so much more comfortable and relaxed around me, and all my friends were amazed at how much more calm and at ease I was. Two, maybe three months ago, I could have pictured myself with her for the rest of my life. Now...here's where it gets interesting.

She's been living full time for five years, I never met her parents, but, I got the impression that she was a trust fund kid. Two weeks ago, she came home from work all excited because she got a phone call from a plastic surgeon in Boston saying that she would be all set for facial feminization surgery at the end of August. I was happy for her, (I don't think she needed it, because she looks very feminine anyway), then she was telling me that she also filled out the paperwork to get the surgery paid for. And I said; "Oh, if I had known you were going to the bank today I would have had you deposit a check for me." And she's like; "What? Did you think I had a trust fund for this?" I said; "Well....I got the impression...yeah.." And then she proceeded to explain to me how for the past five years, she's been exploiting loopholes in state medical laws to get state programs to pay for her surgeries and how they never really ask for any details, just the name of a doctor. I was like; "Oh...ok."

So then I sat down, did some research, and found out that she had been exploiting a law that had been created to help battered women get reconstructive surgery. I tried not to get angry, but, that's when my morals kicked in, what started out as a calm rational discussion, ended with a shouting match, and us splitting up. Trust funds, I have no problem with...escorting...I don't have much of a problem with, as long as the guys she was with were clean....exploiting a law to help abused women....I have problems with. I dunno, maybe I over reacted a bit (probably not, but who knows with me), but I still felt uncomfortable as hell that the woman I loved became the woman she is through exploitation. Anyway...

Yes...I would have another long term relationship with a TS, in fact, out of all the girlfriends I've ever had, she was the one I cared about the most. She complimented me in so many ways that other girls didn't, she brought out the best in me, and smoothed over the rough edges...a buddy of mine reflected to me just a couple hours ago that; "You know what...you really need another woman like her. But just make damn sure she didn't exploit any laws to get where she is first." So...who knows...maybe I've always been meant to be with a TS.

[ONEWORLD]

I have no stats to back this up, but I wonder what percentage of girls waste their income on designer clothes and/or drugs and living the fast life vs. saving for the future and making some wise business investments

OH I DON'T KNOW...

I'LL SAY ABOUT...





100%

LOL...




EVENTHOUGH I’M IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH A TRANSEXUAL WOMAN, I DON’T RECOMMEND IT…

I MEAN, SHE’S HOT AND GREAT AND ALL THAT, BUT…

SHE’S RARE…

95% OF THE GURLS ARE NOT WORTH MY TIME…

I THINK PEOPLE FAIL TO SEE THAT THE ISSUE IS NOT JUST ESCORTING OR WORKING IN THE SEX INDUSTRY (I DON’T KNOCK PORN GIRLS BECAUSE ATLEAST THEIR HUSTLE IS LEGAL)…

THOSE ISSUES PALE IN COMPARISON TO CREDIT CARD & CHECK FRAUD, ARMED ROBBERY, AND MURDER…

THESE BITHCES ARE FROM THE “JECTS”…

DON’T LET ALL THAT MAKE-UP & HAIR FOOL YA, LOL… 8)

RUN THOSE DRIVER’S LICENSES & SEE WHAT COMES BACK, LOL… 8)

A LARGE NUMBER OF THESE GURLS EITHER PARTICIPATE INDIRECTLY (SETTING YOU UP FOR HER FRIENDS) OR DIRECTLY IN EVERYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE…

NOW I’M NOT KNOCKING THEIR CHOICES…

IT IS WHAT IT IS…

I MEAN LADIES IF THIS SOCIETY ISN’T GIVING YOU THE OPPORTUNITIES THEN BY ALL MEANS RUN THOSE POCKETS…

I’M JUST SAYING I WOULDN’T FUCK WICHU…

OH YEAH, AND BE CAREFUL… :wink:




*THINKS TO SELF*

I’M NOT EVEN GONNA HITTEM’ IN THE HEAD WITH THE HIV DISCUSSION… 8)


IT'S BEEN REAL.

[Mugai_hentaisha]

Shit from all the trouble I seem to get into, I cannot seem to handle a relationship with myself let alone a TS. :lol:

Every type of person has their quirks TS, TG, TV, GG, and all the others. What may work for you may not work for others and vice-versa.

everybody have fun and be good to one another.

[popperluv]

I definatly could not handle a relationship with a ts.
A little too much drama there

[lucx]

i'd like to date for long term rel a tg... but i'm to normal type of guy for them... not rich (but not poor!!), not glamorous kind of work (only an engineer) and not fitness addict ( i like to do sports with my friends... but i'm not maniac about fitness)
... so... as i see it, it's hard for a tgirl to have a long term rel also because most of them are looking for a type of guy who, i'd say, has an edonistic way of life: so he's looking not for a girl to love in a normal rel... but an hottie to show out at glamorous clubs...

[kloveva]

Do not know if I could handle it but would like to try!

[Eric420]

why not

[peggygee]

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[Master_A]

i didnt think ts could get pms.

good god, someone has some anger issues.

i have dated a ts, gone in public and done all the usual.

no i wouldn date, or marry, or fuck a whore.

no i wouldnt fuck her friends, cheating is for gutless punks.

[Azanti]

I hope I will get to date one, time will tell.

[BlackAdder]

That tsgirlfriend site is full of crap....

[SarahG]

i didnt think ts could get pms.



Not to go too OT, but before my mom had her reproductive system removed, I used to get her cycle while living in her place- obviously I didn't bleed but I would get the cramps and everything. Pheromones are funny things.

[Xiorc]

I would have not problem dating a T-Girl. Other people's opinions about me carry very little weight because I'm sure that my friends/family would think of me as gay or Bi and would ostracize me and my partner.

Now as for what a TS goes through every day, I'm clueless. I would guess thats its not all wine and roses with glamorous photo shoots and buckets of money. I sure they have to deal with all kinds of intolerance and ignorance every day and that could put strain on any relationship.
But I look at it from a "traditional" relationship point of view...sometimes when you meet someone you think she's a bitch or she thinks your an asshole and you never talk again but other times everything jives and you two get along great and you move on from there. I tend to gravitate towards people whom are comfortable with themselves and tolerate of others around them. So if I were to meet a TS and we got along great then I would have absolutely no problem dating her.

[tsntx]

That tsgirlfriend site is full of crap....

duuuuuuuuuuuuh

[MrsKellyPierce]

I think most that said "Yes" are only saying yes cause it's on "HERE"

[hwbs]

i have a confession...everything i said on here is a lie :twisted:

[Kriss]

i have a confession...everything i said on here is a lie :twisted:

So that's where I've been going wrong! Mental note to self:you have the right to remain silent/dishonest. Buckstrap, you gotta teach me some GAME!

[MrsKellyPierce]

i have a confession...everything i said on here is a lie :twisted: I said MOST..you penis lol

[Azanti]

'I think most that said "Yes" are only saying yes cause it's on "HERE"'


Kelly, if you think that in my case, I would more than happyily prove you wrong. I know my own mind.

[hwbs]

touchy touchy....i kid ....i kid...

[MrsKellyPierce]

touchy touchy....i kid ....i kid... :lol: I was kiddn back thats why I said PENIS instead of DICK

[MrsKellyPierce]

'I think most that said "Yes" are only saying yes cause it's on "HERE"'


Kelly, if you think that in my case, I would more than happyily prove you wrong. I know my own mind. Then you my sir are not part of that "most" so why reply to it?? :roll:

[Azanti]

Well I wasn't sure, we all get lumped together on here sometimes.... No that I know anyone well enough in reality on here to qualify my own qualities against them.

[john2000]

i would love a ltr with a ts.meet a phillipino last year and we got on great,till i returned home too uk too sell my house and move out there with her.then found out she was cheating on me too so that was that.ok im 50 and not a spring chjcken no more but i am really hoping too find a ts for real.finding one is very hard here in uk too they all seem to be young so as for your question yes i can.also i dont think if i was with a ts she would want too go looking for cock elsewhere do all the other guys real wifes do that or am i missing something lol :)

[mbf]

:!: BUMP :!:

lets see what the noobs might have to say....

[LBCDO]

Im not a nube, but I have a lil input.

A relationship with a TS could be heaven or hell. Ive had real relationships with working and nonworking girls. People are people, no matter what. My guess, and this is only a guess, is that the reason its hard for a lot of TSs are the hormones, and the fact that they are surrounded by a lot of fake people who either A.want to fuck em or B. want to criticize them.

Depending on the person, a lot of girls can be very insecure, andno matter what you tell them, they wont believe that you are really into them. I went out with a passable asian/puerto rican/black girl, and she was beautiful, but I guess she didnt realize how passable she was and was always insecure. She wouldnt take her shirt off when we had sex because she "Just got her boobs done" and couldnt take off the bandages. I didnt care if she didnt have implants, but she would never admit it. I understood where she was coming from though. But I came to find out she was batshit crazy too, so i broke it off.

Now I dated one girl who was doing the escort thing, and even though I didnt meet her family, she met mine, but they didnt clock her. I knew what she was doing, and I never thought Id have an escort as a gf. I was no slouch, but she made a LOT more money than I did, and I couldnt support her. She had no real job skills, and unless she worked at McDonalds, a 9-5 wasnt happening. So I really didnt care, but I LOVE LOVE LOVE a fashionable girl, with gucci and LV bags, wears BCBG, that keeps herself up. I would spoil her, she would spoil me. She did the escorting, but She only topped and gave head, which worked for me because the ass was all mine. So we had a compromise there. She really didnt like doing it, and I didnt make enough money to buy all that bullshit for the both of us.

Do I have a problem dating a TS? Hell naw. Been there and done that. But for those of you that do want to, when hook up with one for a relationship, be sure thats what you want. Its work

[manbearpig]

Sure, why not? If she's funny, intelligent, relates to me on some level, and not a cheater then I'm all for it. That's the standard I hold to GGs, why should I not hold a TS woman to the same? As far the comment about players in their 20s, thats just a base generalization. I'm in my earlyish 20s and I've never been what one would call a "player". I'm way too shy and I don't have that kinda patience. Not to mention, I'm a horrible liar with an overactive conscience.

Not so sure about age, but ya know, its whatever. If we're close enough in age to relate then thats fine and dandy. Though, I don't think I could date a sex worker. I'm a pretty understanding person but thats where I'd draw the line. Cheating is cheating, whether its for money or not. I'd make an exception for vicki though lol :peanutbutter

Anywho, you only get one shot at this life so why spend it being jaded or caring what others think about the things that make you happy? So, could I handle it? Totally. So long as I'm with someone I enjoy being around. It doesn't hurt if you like some of the same stuff I do too lol :2cent

[Chuck]

I have, and rule #1 is that she must stop escorting. Without this understanding, FUGETABOUTIT!!!!

[BXCanada]

to answer the question... Yes i could and am in a relationship with a TS. I was seen in public many times with her while i was visiting her. she is a beauty pageant contestent with a lot of fans where she lives and even had guys wanting her picture even though she was not entered in the pageant we where at.

[whatsupwithat]

first off, i just realized how old this thread is. 2005? damn, peggy. secondly, some beautiful answers in this thread...but not sure how many of them are truly honest. thirdly, i've been in relationships with transwomen. long term. and with that in mind, my answers to your questions...


FROM WHAT I READ ON HERE MOST OF YOU CANT. YOU JUST WANT FREE SEX AND CANT TAKE THE OTHER 90 PERCENT. COULD YOU HONESTYL DEAL WITH MEETING HER FAMILY?

it would make me the happiest guy in the world. and i would want her to meet mine.



OR WALKING IN THE STREET AND HAVING SOMEONE SPOOK HER, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

laugh. they're ignorant.




WOULD YOU TRY AND HAVE SEX WITH HER GIRL FRIENDS BECAUSE THEY LOOK BETTER OR BECAUSE THEY HAVE BIGGER COCKS?

no. what does that have to do with love or a good relationship?



WOULD YOU LET HER ESCORT OR WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GIVE HER MONEY NOT TO ESCORT?

yes. to both.



COULD YOU HANDLE KNOWING ANYBODY WITH $200 COULD FUCK YOUR GIRL?

yes.



WHAT ABOUT GOING ON A PORN SITE AND SEEING HER SUCK DICK? COULD YOU HANDLE IT?

see above.

[whatsupwithat]

WOULD YOU LET HER ESCORT OR WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GIVE HER MONEY NOT TO ESCORT?

yes. to both.



COULD YOU HANDLE KNOWING ANYBODY WITH $200 COULD FUCK YOUR GIRL?

yes.

That's surprising. :o I would have thought that you wouldn't have been down with that in a longterm relationship.

i met someone who changed my mind. life, huh?

[alphanumeric]

well for myself I would say that yes I have no problem with being with a TS. I have been around 3 and semi-dated 2 of them. I loved and cared for all three. One of them I was going to bring with me out to Vancouver, but things fell apart for us.

but here's the thing. right now I have 2500.00 dollars saved up. the original plan was to save up enough money to get an apartment in vancouver (rent out there is INSANE!) and head on out.

But right now, I have found online a house for sale for 2500.00 a bit of a fixerupper but nothing I can't handle. I am right now seriously considering going out, buying the house and having all three move out with me.

the main reason is to hopefully help them with their substance abuse issues, get them away from the lifestyle they're currently living. because I'm pretty sure without some kind of intervention none of them will live to see 35. (the oldest of them is 32)

I dunno why I care so much about them. two of them have family that kinda sorta care for them and one of them her family has disowned her completely. she's the one I worry about most. I think she actively tries to find situations where her life is at risk.

3 little sparks, three little souls. I really don't know why I care so much.

But I do.

[alphanumeric]

double post

[JamesHunt]

It's the person that counts. Shagging is good, but to base a relationship on it is shallow.

[Dasnasdi]

I think I gave the possibility of marriage to a TS fair consideration.

My first attempt at a relationship was when in 1999. I was recently divorced, and I was so impressed I told her I was serious about it leading to something permanent. She was 19 and living with an older TS in a mother/daughter relationship. Her biological parents could not accept her for who she truly was, and that living situation provided her with a place to stay and the opportunity to transition. However it was not a healthy relationship. Mom was very controlling and domineering. We started dating when the mother was out of town for a few weeks. When Mom came home, she literally ran away from home, though she did not turn to me.

A local TS drove her to San Francisco, to an apartment around the block from Divas, which serves as a crash pad for runaway t-girls. They set her up with a job at Starbucks. That job lasted only a couple of days. Soon, she had been fired, and was locked in a mental ward for making suicidal statements.

I visited her in the hospital. Over the next year, I made multiple trips to California to see her while she stayed in various San Francisco half-way houses. Once I emailed her a picture I has taken of us during one of my visits. She cropped me out of the picture, and posted it on her webpage. When I voiced my objection, all she could say was, “It wasn’t a very good picture of you”. Eventually she moved in with a guy 15 years older than me (and I’m 15 years older than her). In a recent blog entry she called him her “spouse”. My offer to come back to Utah, and wait for the next job offering my company had in California, was not acceptable, even though Mom had moved to North Carolina and was no longer a threat.

One thing that did come from my association with this girl is that I started dating her best friend. We had a lot of fun, but it was obvious from early on that this was not someone I wanted to spend the rest of my life with. I did not make a secret of this conclusion. After a year, she met another t-girl, and they told me I was getting a second girlfriend. Soon this new girl wanted an exclusive monogamous relationship, and I was out of the picture.

At the same time, for two years I rented the spare room a very beautiful TS had in her apartment. She told me my long hair put her off, but that was just an excuse. If I were to visit her today, now that I am wearing my hair short, she would just come up with something else. The real reason is that she wants nothing to do with a guy who likes the idea that his partner has a dick. She told me she never has a date until she transitioned at the age of 30. Women had no interest, but the first time she went out in a dress, she got a lot more attention from men than the gg’s she was with. I find it ironic that, after a lifetime of rejection, she rejected me.

Finally, I decided to stay in Utah and signed a lease on an apartment of my own. One Saturday morning I went down the GLBT center. The TS support group was meeting upstairs, and I hoped to meet some of those attending in the coffee shop after the meeting had concluded. The strategy paid off. I had a date the following Friday. Afterward, she came back to my apartment, and spend the rest of the weekend. I showed up at work on Monday with a big smile on my face. The next week, the same thing happened, but this time I was smiling. The girl was an absolute psycho.

After all that bullshit, I say fuck it. I still enjoy hiring t-girls as paid performers, but I look forward to finding a nice gg, getting married, and putting all this craziness behind me.

[justatransgirl]

well for myself I would say that yes I have no problem with being with a TS. I have been around 3 and semi-dated 2 of them. I loved and cared for all three. One of them I was going to bring with me out to Vancouver, but things fell apart for us.

but here's the thing. right now I have 2500.00 dollars saved up. the original plan was to save up enough money to get an apartment in vancouver (rent out there is INSANE!) and head on out.

But right now, I have found online a house for sale for 2500.00 a bit of a fixerupper but nothing I can't handle. I am right now seriously considering going out, buying the house and having all three move out with me.

the main reason is to hopefully help them with their substance abuse issues, get them away from the lifestyle they're currently living. because I'm pretty sure without some kind of intervention none of them will live to see 35. (the oldest of them is 32)

I dunno why I care so much about them. two of them have family that kinda sorta care for them and one of them her family has disowned her completely. she's the one I worry about most. I think she actively tries to find situations where her life is at risk.

3 little sparks, three little souls. I really don't know why I care so much.

But I do.

Honey that's a really nice thing to attempt. I wish more people would do it. But what you propose is an extremely difficult proposition. Buying a house on a shoestring, and moving three TS street girls with drug problems in is asking for some huge complications in your life.

Are you prepared to be an ironfisted asshole when they bring drugs and loser boyfriends in to sponge off you? What do you do when the girls simply can't get off drugs no matter how much they want to. Most people have to have formal rehab and long term counseling to successfully beat drug addiction.

Make rules, help them stick to them, and if they can't, know when you draw the line.

But honey I am very pleased and proud of you for wanting to do this, if more people would do this sort of thing maybe there wouldn't be some many girls on the street on drugs, with hopeless futures. I hope you can pull it off and wish you and the girls all the best.

Hugs,
TS Jamie :-)

[TsVanessa69]

Madea, I think that's a fair question. I thought about it for real a couple of weeks ago when I was talking to a ts in Portland, Or I called up from craigslist. I was just asking her some questions and when she had answered them we just chatted a while. Sh'e 23 and said she's pretty much given up on finding anyone who will stick around. I felt sorry for her and in fact had never really thought about how hard it must be for a ts, much less a ts hooker. Wasn't that a show with William Shatner? Anyway...yeah. You girls should probably think about the ramifications of that when deciding to be more than just gay boys. But you know what? No one's got it easy.

I spent last year getting over a breakup with one of the coolest women I've ever met, much less loved. I've had one night of sex - ONE - since her, and it was an emotionally empty experience. And as horny as I may seem here at times, holding someone I really care about is so much more important to me. To feel like I'm at home when I'm with her.

Maybe it would be easiest for you girls to date another TS. Because looking for love from the average guy here who just wants to squeeze the weasel to his fantasy of a pornstar and leave is just silly.

Of course, there's always the red-hot personals forum here.First of all ts were never gay boys, we are born gender variant woman.
Secondly why would we want to date one another? Pretty narrowminded comments.

[TsVanessa69]

I have no stats to back this up, but I wonder what percentage of girls waste their income on designer clothes and/or drugs and living the fast life vs. saving for the future and making some wise business investments

OH I DON'T KNOW...

I'LL SAY ABOUT...





100%

LOL...




EVENTHOUGH I’M IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH A TRANSEXUAL WOMAN, I DON’T RECOMMEND IT…

I MEAN, SHE’S HOT AND GREAT AND ALL THAT, BUT…

SHE’S RARE…

95% OF THE GURLS ARE NOT WORTH MY TIME…

I THINK PEOPLE FAIL TO SEE THAT THE ISSUE IS NOT JUST ESCORTING OR WORKING IN THE SEX INDUSTRY (I DON’T KNOCK PORN GIRLS BECAUSE ATLEAST THEIR HUSTLE IS LEGAL)…

THOSE ISSUES PALE IN COMPARISON TO CREDIT CARD & CHECK FRAUD, ARMED ROBBERY, AND MURDER…

THESE BITHCES ARE FROM THE “JECTS”…

DON’T LET ALL THAT MAKE-UP & HAIR FOOL YA, LOL… 8)

RUN THOSE DRIVER’S LICENSES & SEE WHAT COMES BACK, LOL… 8)

A LARGE NUMBER OF THESE GURLS EITHER PARTICIPATE INDIRECTLY (SETTING YOU UP FOR HER FRIENDS) OR DIRECTLY IN EVERYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE…

NOW I’M NOT KNOCKING THEIR CHOICES…

IT IS WHAT IT IS…

I MEAN LADIES IF THIS SOCIETY ISN’T GIVING YOU THE OPPORTUNITIES THEN BY ALL MEANS RUN THOSE POCKETS…

I’M JUST SAYING I WOULDN’T FUCK WICHU…

OH YEAH, AND BE CAREFUL… :wink:




*THINKS TO SELF*

I’M NOT EVEN GONNA HITTEM’ IN THE HEAD WITH THE HIV DISCUSSION… 8)


IT'S BEEN REAL.Like with femalees and males, there are always bad apples in the barrel, but don't judge all of us by the bad apples you have dealt with in your life. You yourself said you found ther rare exception, My self, I never have robbed, done credit card scams or drugs. I work and pay my bills myself. I live in an upperclass neighborhood in my city, yes I love designer clothes and shoes and such, thats just me, my female friends are that way too, we like to look good. So run my drivers license any day.

[hwbs]

wow who brought up this old topic from the dead.

[whatsupwithat]

wow who brought up this old topic from the dead.

not to name any names...but...peggy! :P

[downblow]

I know a ton of guys that want to date trans women but don't have the pocket book to do so. By date I mean the regular couple stuff, movies, theatre, dinner, parks, and so on. Over the last couple of months I've gotten to know quite a few trans women in Toronto and I've found that money plays a huge part in their initial attraction to the guy. Then after the guys ditch them it's always the same bulls*** I hear about them not finding true love.

True love doesn't have a dollar sign attached to it. You should be concerned about personality instead of looks and money. To do otherwise is to doom yourself to a life time of falsity. Do you think a star like Vicki Ricter would date a guy with not a lot of money? Yet in her posts and other well known stars they always have such huge generalizations about men. There's a shit load of men who would treat her and every other trans women, well knon or not, like the women they wish to be treated as. Unfortunately those guys will never get that chance, and the complaining from them and every other trans women will never cease. It's a never ending cycle that very few can ever get away from. Don't live the lie.

[TJ347]

I know a ton of guys that want to date trans women but don't have the pocket book to do so. By date I mean the regular couple stuff, movies, theatre, dinner, parks, and so on.

I've heard this from a couple of people now. How old are these guys you're talking about? And if they're adults, why can't they afford to at least treat a woman to a damned movie? I mean, when I was making $5.05 an hour, I was still able to treat a woman to a movie and the occasional meal. Is it really that hard to find work where you live?


Over the last couple of months I've gotten to know quite a few trans women in Toronto and I've found that money plays a huge part in their initial attraction to the guy. Then after the guys ditch them it's always the same bulls*** I hear about them not finding true love.

Money is indeed the initial attractant for most, in my experience. And as you've said, when a guy gets tired of being juiced and splits, he's wrong for doing so as far as the woman's concerned. This is one of the things I have noticed often with transwomen, both whom I know personally and have been introduced to on this board... Whatever happens, it's never, ever their fault in any way. That's part of that "diva" mentality so many have, which I was talking about recently in another thread.


You should be concerned about personality instead of looks and money. To do otherwise is to doom yourself to a life time of falsity. Do you think a star like Vicki Ricter would date a guy with not a lot of money? Yet in her posts and other well known stars they always have such huge generalizations about men. There's a shit load of men who would treat her and every other trans women, well knon or not, like the women they wish to be treated as. Unfortunately those guys will never get that chance, and the complaining from them and every other trans women will never cease.

Let's be honest, personality is vitally important, but looks are as well. You don't know someone's personality when you first see them, so if there's an attraction, it's going to be based on looks, which are of course superficial. Moving on, I don't know that Vicki or other well known stars insist on dating men with alot of money, seeing as how I've noticed some well known stars have men who they take care of financially (not going to name any names). Anyway, sure most guys who would treat these women the way they want to be treated will never have the chance, but I'd be willing to bet their lacking loads of cash was less important than the fact that the women probably wouldn't find them attractive. Have you seen some of the dudes lurking outside tgirl hotspots? Scary bastards, I'll tell you what.


...and the complaining from them and every other trans women will never cease.

You're definitely right about many ladies here generalizing men, making it funny you conclude your comments by generalizing transwomen. :lol:

[downblow]

"I've heard this from a couple of people now. How old are these guys you're talking about? And if they're adults, why can't they afford to at least treat a woman to a damned movie? I mean, when I was making $5.05 an hour, I was still able to treat a woman to a movie and the occasional meal. Is it really that hard to find work where you live?"

-Ah yeah sorry dude but I make more than 5.05 an hour. I make 5.10 an hour, lol. Seriously though it's not that I and these other guys don't have money for a movie, they want more than a movie. They want you to be established already, as in new car, house or condo, expensive restaurants or eating out every night. Jobs here in Toronto are extremely easy to come by but who wants to blow all their cash to satisfy some else's greed? Not me, nor any guy with self respect for themselves.


"Let's be honest, personality is vitally important, but looks are as well. You don't know someone's personality when you first see them, so if there's an attraction, it's going to be based on looks, which are of course superficial. Moving on, I don't know that Vicki or other well known stars insist on dating men with alot of money, seeing as how I've noticed some well known stars have men who they take care of financially (not going to name any names). Anyway, sure most guys who would treat these women the way they want to be treated will never have the chance, but I'd be willing to bet their lacking loads of cash was less important than the fact that the women probably wouldn't find them attractive. Have you seen some of the dudes lurking outside tgirl hotspots? Scary bastards, I'll tell you what."

-Well I don't know what types are hanging around your city but these guys are not scary or disgusting like you suggest. Fairly sad that you would come to this conclusion. Aren't you making generalizations based on your experiences? Just because you got ugly guys hanging out at your establishments doesn't mean we do. These guys are fine for the trans women to talk with and have them buy beers for but as soon as they find out they don't make 100k per year it's good bye. So the initial attraction was there at the start.



"You're definitely right about many ladies here generalizing men, making it funny you conclude your comments by generalizing transwomen. "

-And I think it's funny that you criticize me for making generalizations yet you missed the part where you made them yourself :wink:

[TJ347]

Seriously though it's not that I and these other guys don't have money for a movie, they want more than a movie. They want you to be established already, as in new car, house or condo, expensive restaurants or eating out every night. Jobs here in Toronto are extremely easy to come by but who wants to blow all their cash to satisfy some else's greed? Not me, nor any guy with self respect for themselves.

Okay. It would help if you could be consistent. You're the one who originally said that the guys couldn't afford to take a woman to a movie, out for dinner, etcetera. Now you go on about a whole other issue so as to justify your initial conclusion. So, every transsexual woman in Toronto is a gold digger then, right? I think not. Despite the fact you like to make generalizations, unless you surveyed every tgirl in Toronto, you cannot have reached this conclusion with anything approaching a shred of evidence.


Well I don't know what types are hanging around your city but these guys are not scary or disgusting like you suggest. Fairly sad that you would come to this conclusion. Aren't you making generalizations based on your experiences? Just because you got ugly guys hanging out at your establishments doesn't mean we do. These guys are fine for the trans women to talk with and have them buy beers for but as soon as they find out they don't make 100k per year it's good bye. So the initial attraction was there at the start.

More bad humor. So the scary guys hang out everywhere but Toronto, huh? I'm sure many of the ladies will be pleased to hear that, and you'll soon find yourself swimming in tgirls. Ever think that during the course of talking to these transwomen your buddies said or did something that turned them off? Bigger than that, what did you do? Poll every guy who bought a tgirl a drink and went home by himself? Not much meat to this argument, as we've again reached a conclusion with no evidence.



And I think it's funny that you criticize me for making generalizations yet you missed the part where you made them yourself.

Why is it so few people know the difference between making a rampant generalization and saying "Based on my experiences..."? If you were speaking from your own limited experiences, as I have repeatedly said that I was, then that'd be one thing. But to presume as you have as to why people did things and come to a conclusion without any actual knowledge of their reasoning to support you is to make an unsubstantiated generalization. I hope you see the difference, but if not, then oh well. You can lead a horse to water, but... you know.

[downblow]

"Okay. It would help if you could be consistent. You're the one who originally said that the guys couldn't afford to take a woman to a movie, out for dinner, etcetera. Now you go on about a whole other issue so as to justify your initial conclusion. So, every transsexual woman in Toronto is a gold digger then, right? I think not. Despite the fact you like to make generalizations, unless you surveyed every tgirl in Toronto, you cannot have reached this conclusion with anything approaching a shred of evidence. "

-So I guess all the hours that I spent listening to what the ladies want doesn't mean anything to you then. I've talked to nearly every trans woman in Toronto during the last 4 years and they've all expressed the wish for someone with more money. So fine it might not be every trans woman here but if there's a new one that just came into Toronto today at some point I'll get to talking with her. Your pathetic attempt at a utopia where "generalizations don't fit " is sad. Are those streets of yours paved with gold? Reality is based on "generalizations". When it comes to dating, jobs, loans all use "generalizations". It's a fact of our society, the problem is you can't see this and choose to live in a dream world. A whole other issue you claim I started? Just because you can't see the connection doesn't mean that I'm skipping the issue at hand.


"More bad humor. So the scary guys hang out everywhere but Toronto, huh? I'm sure many of the ladies will be pleased to hear that, and you'll soon find yourself swimming in tgirls. Ever think that during the course of talking to these transwomen your buddies said or did something that turned them off? Bigger than that, what did you do? Poll every guy who bought a tgirl a drink and went home by himself? Not much meat to this argument, as we've again reached a conclusion with no evidence."

-Your paragraph shows me how little time you spend in bars, especially ones that trans women attend. Though it's possible that the guys might have said something bad to turn her off, it's kinda sad when both the guy and girl tell the same story.................Not the type the girl is looking for because of their jobs/finances. Try it sometime, pick a guy you think is average in looks and get them to the nearest trans women. They'll chat and after finding out what the guy does she'll leave. It's usually the 3 question they ask. The clubs that trans women have here in Toronto are fairly small and usually only fit less than a hundred people. It's fairly easy to talk to 100 people in the course of the night.


"Why is it so few people know the difference between making a rampant generalization and saying "Based on my experiences..."? If you were speaking from your own limited experiences, as I have repeatedly said that I was, then that'd be one thing. But to presume as you have as to why people did things and come to a conclusion without any actual knowledge of their reasoning to support you is to make an unsubstantiated generalization. I hope you see the difference, but if not, then oh well. You can lead a horse to water, but... you know."

Ah yes, now who is changing the subject. I see you missed where you made assumptions that "ugly men are the reason these women don't want them." Now you're going on about the whole "generalizations" being wrong issue. You've read above what i think about the issue. Whether you agree with it or not, it's a part of our society. Turn a blind eye to that fact and one day I'll bite you in the ass in some bad way. Going back to the issue about "ugly men", the trans women in Toronto have a huge following here. There is such a small group of trans women and there's literally 10 guys for every one trans woman in these clubs. Do you think those trans women would waste their time on a guy who they think is ugly just for a 4.00 drink? Please, if you think that then it's the trans women in your area that you should be scared of. After all I'm sure you came to that conclusion based on what you saw and experienced.............which is making a "generalization". You can call it my experiences or not but it all is about justifying your unsubstantiated view. If you really wanted to be unbiased in your answer you would have said...........there could be a variety of things that lead to those women declining the mens advances such as bad manners, b.o., not paying attention, bad attitude, not enough money, married or seeing someone and so on. But you didn't, you chose one specific point to dwell on which means you made a "generalization" based on your experiences which in your world makes you just as evil me. Sucks to look into your bedroom mirror and see the face of many doesn't it :lol:

[TJ347]

Being completely unable to follow your reasoning, mainly because you insist on leaving logic out of it, I will take Quinn's cue, which I should have done in the first place, and leave you to your delusions of omniscience.

Have a good one! :D

[aShemalesboyfriend]

Yes I do with all Problems it takes with it

[downblow]

Being completely unable to follow your reasoning, mainly because you insist on leaving logic out of it, I will take Quinn's cue, which I should have done in the first place, and leave you to your delusions of omniscience.

Have a good one! :D

Where's your logic in your posts? Again you make reference to me being all knowing.......Do I scare you that much that you need to keep making those accusations? I told you that I believe everyone is equal What horror happened in your life that won't let you believe in the words of others?
You have a good one too.

[khun_diow]

could I have a real relationship with a ts?

I don't think so, not the way you mean. Basically I do not want a 'traditional style relationship' with TG or GG. I have as vicki suggests had a 'bad relationship' and I have made a personal decision to steer clear of any type of long term 'traditional style relationships'.

I find that as time passes I am more and more attracted to TG women, to hang out with and/or to experience sexuality. Perhaps my outlook will change as I learn more about myself.

[SexyMagdi]

I think I could. All that doesnt matter to me as long as she returns home to me. And all the sex wouldny mean anything as long as she loves having sex with me and kinda likes the sex with the others.

[peggygee]

wow who brought up this old topic from the dead.

not to name any names...but...peggy! :P

Crikey, now that I've re-surrected this post I've
got to read 10 pages before I respond. :shock:

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