GGs have the biggest issue with transsexuals

[NYTSJulie]

I started transition 13 years ago, lol wow it’s been a long time. Through the years I have come to the conclusion that genetic women are the ones who have the biggest issue with transsexuals. At least that has been my experience.

I went out last weekend for my sister’s birthday. It was myself, my sister, 6 other girls and 4 guys. We went out on the North Shore of Long Island, it’s a very vanilla yuppie crowd. I met a few guys and one of them I really liked. We hit it off and have been talking all week. He is exactly my type, perfect. He looks very GQ, 34, tall, Italian and Irish mix, great face and hot body. He has a great personality, comes from money and lives in a cute new 1.5 million dollar condo here on the Island. I am thinking husband material lol.

Now I don’t run around telling people my “T”. I feel that it is my business and unless I am about to go to bed with someone then I have no obligation to divulge it. People treat you differently when they know right off the bat rather than finding out down the road.

So I am all excited thinking I have met my future husband lol, now here is the catch. I know one of the bar tenders who works at the bar where I met him. I knew her when I was still living as boy. We worked together and actually used to be really good friends. We drifted apart and then I ran into her about 2 years ago after not seeing or speaking to her in 10 years, but that’s another story.

It turned out that my soon to be husband lol knew her also. One of his friends is a bartender at the bar also. Long story short, he went down there last night for a drink and then I got the 1AM phone call asking “is this true”.

I don’t know if I should verbally confront her, or I should wait for her when she is getting off work. I want to get all ghetto on her ass, throw my hair up, take my earrings off and rub Vaseline on my face lol.

I swear women feel threatened. They get all catty when you’re more attractive than them or you get more attention, they think “and she isn’t even a real girl”.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Mine too as of late. Even girl friends that I have had for years all of a sudden have gotten distant and bitchy with me. Two of my girlfriends invited me out to a club and when the guy she was feeling kept looking at me, she waited for me to be out of ear range to tell the guy thats a "dude" I only found out cause he walked up to me to tell me and said I think you should know your friend isn't a great friend she told me you were once a man and then he asked if that were "true" and I admitted to it. He sort of got that uncomfortable look but was cool about it.

When I walked up to her and confronted her about it, she was like omg what are you talking about I would never do that to you. Then when she knew she was caught she was like just cause you have big boobs now doesn't mean you need to wear cleavage shirts and shit..you are still technically a man and dressing like that you are giving the guys here the wrong impression about you. I was dumfounded cause we have always went to clubs together before and she never had an issue before. Now it was. Then it got into a debate of respect and I told her I only came cause they invited me and its dangerous going around telling guys at the bar about me. Then she got even a bigger attitude and she said "Well I can't help it I'm a "natural" woman and I can have kids, don't blame me." I laughed and called a taxi. I haven't spoken to either of them since.


And see thats just horrible that she outted you like that. If she was ever a friend, she'd worry about your safety first. Rather than being jealous.

[NYTSJulie]

Mine too as of late. Even girl friends that I have had for years all of a sudden have gotten distant and bitchy with me. Two of my girlfriends invited me out to a club and when the guy she was feeling kept looking at me, she waited for me to be out of ear range to tell the guy thats a "dude" I only found out cause he walked up to me to tell me and said I think you should know your friend isn't a great friend she told me you were once a man and then he asked if that were "true" and I admitted to it. He sort of got that uncomfortable look but was cool about it.

When I walked up to her and confronted her about it, she was like omg what are you talking about I would never do that to you. Then when she knew she was caught she was like just cause you have big boobs now doesn't mean you need to wear cleavage shirts and shit..you are still technically a man and dressing like that you are giving the guys here the wrong impression about you. I was dumfounded cause we have always went to clubs together before and she never had an issue before. Now it was. Then it got into a debate of respect and I told her I only came cause they invited me and its dangerous going around telling guys at the bar about me. Then she got even a bigger attitude and she said "Well I can't help it I'm a "natural" woman and I can have kids, don't blame me." I laughed and called a taxi. I haven't spoken to either of them since.

Good for you, fuck her. They think its cute but for us it very dangerous. I have worked very hard to get to where I am today and hide a lot of my past. I go out in the same town I grew up in, I see guys I went to high school with all the time, I have even hooked up with a few who didnt know who I was, then I have this CUNT spilling my beans.

[midpier]

Julie,

Does that mean he chose not to keep seeing you? I think you are so beautiful. I want to spend time with you when you are in Westchester sometime, but I am an average guy (little extra weight but not sloppy) not a GQ type. Does this preclude me from your fruits....:) lol.....

[ARMANIXXX]

Well.....since, at the moment, I feel like bein JUDGE WAPNER...



Julie, the bartender apparently was the guys friend, so, that being the case, she did the right thing.





Kelly, You need a new circle of friends.


lol





Case closed.

[str8curiousm]

That sucks.

Sounds like some simmering issue with her. Did she maybe have a crush on you when you were friends as a boy? Maybe she's frustrated.

Either way, totally disrespectful to do. How did the future Mr Julie react? The way he found out undoubtedly colored his reaction to some degree. That might be the worst part. By "outing" you that way, it turns it into a deception situation, regardless of your intent.

Sorry.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Mine too as of late. Even girl friends that I have had for years all of a sudden have gotten distant and bitchy with me. Two of my girlfriends invited me out to a club and when the guy she was feeling kept looking at me, she waited for me to be out of ear range to tell the guy thats a "dude" I only found out cause he walked up to me to tell me and said I think you should know your friend isn't a great friend she told me you were once a man and then he asked if that were "true" and I admitted to it. He sort of got that uncomfortable look but was cool about it.

When I walked up to her and confronted her about it, she was like omg what are you talking about I would never do that to you. Then when she knew she was caught she was like just cause you have big boobs now doesn't mean you need to wear cleavage shirts and shit..you are still technically a man and dressing like that you are giving the guys here the wrong impression about you. I was dumfounded cause we have always went to clubs together before and she never had an issue before. Now it was. Then it got into a debate of respect and I told her I only came cause they invited me and its dangerous going around telling guys at the bar about me. Then she got even a bigger attitude and she said "Well I can't help it I'm a "natural" woman and I can have kids, don't blame me." I laughed and called a taxi. I haven't spoken to either of them since.

Good for you, fuck her. They think its cute but for us it very dangerous. I have worked very hard to get to where I am today and hide a lot of my past. I go out in the same town I grew up in, I see guys I went to high school with all the time, I have even hooked up with a few who didnt know who I was, then I have this CUNT spilling my beans. Yeah girls are your friends and understand the situation till a man is involved. Then they show their true colors. Thats probably why most of my friends are men as of late. All my old girlfriends hardly speak to me anymore, I leave them comments on myspace, they don't respond. I send them text messages they don't respond, claim they've been busy.

But that girl is just awful, I hate when you meet a great guy, and they go out of their way to ruin it for you. They just don't get you are a WOMAN.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Well.....since, at the moment, I feel like bein JUDGE WAPNER...



Julie, the bartender apparently was the guys friend, so, that being the case, she did the right thing.





Kelly, You need a new circle of friends.


lol





Case closed. I am working on that, I've deleted most of my girl friends from my life. Out of my phone, myspace, yadda yadda. Due to the attitude they have, they were fine with me till I started healing from the surgeries. Now their attitudes have totaly done a 360.

And I doubt she told him out of the goodness of his heart, if I was Julie. I'd wait around to see what guys she is interested in, then tell them a dirty secret "made-up or not" so she can see how it feels. When you really like a guy and have it ruined by someone else.

[NYTSJulie]

Julie,

Does that mean he chose not to keep seeing you? I think you are so beautiful. I want to spend time with you when you are in Westchester sometime, but I am an average guy (little extra weight but not sloppy) not a GQ type. Does this preclude me from your fruits....:) lol.....

I like all kinds call me when I am in Westchester........kisses

[scroller]

I swear women feel threatened. They get all catty when you’re more attractive than them or you get more attention...

It sounds like women are like that with any other women (T's or not). That's what all my female friends say.

[doasuwill]

GG's are that way period. It's why I only date tgirls. When a Man get's involved they show their true colors and usually turn jealous and bitchy.
By the way how do I use my pic as my avatar?

[MrsKellyPierce]

I swear women feel threatened. They get all catty when you’re more attractive than them or you get more attention...

It sounds like women are like that with any other women (T's or not). That's what all my female friends say. That is true whenever some of my girl friends used to see a beautiful girl with a nice body and she was wearing something provacative, they automatically called her a whore and a slut, and would gab about her 15 minutes. I just rolled my eyes and went on having fun.

[NYTSJulie]

Well.....since, at the moment, I feel like bein JUDGE WAPNER...



Julie, the bartender apparently was the guys friend, so, that being the case, she did the right thing.





Kelly, You need a new circle of friends.


lol





Case closed.

She didnt do the right thing. I have been in the situation of guys not knowing many many many times. I know more about it then you or her. I have a way that I handle it. What she did is dangerous for me. So what are my options, sit home or go to tranny bars? Cause if word gets around I will not be able to go to the same places.

[MrsKellyPierce]

GG's are that way period. It's why I only date tgirls. When a Man get's involved they show their true colors and usually turn jealous and bitchy.
By the way how do I use my pic as my avatar? Hit profile and put the url in the place where you want it to be. You can use photobucket or imagecave

[Legend]

Just let it go,violence really doesn't solve anything it will any get you in trouble.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Well.....since, at the moment, I feel like bein JUDGE WAPNER...



Julie, the bartender apparently was the guys friend, so, that being the case, she did the right thing.





Kelly, You need a new circle of friends.


lol





Case closed.

She didnt do the right thing. I have been in the situation of guys not knowing many many many times. I know more about it then you or her. I have a way that I handle it. What she did is dangerous for me. So what are my options, sit home or go to tranny bars? Cause if word gets around I will not be able to go to the same places. Yeah she wasn't doing it out of the goodness out of her heart, she was doing it to be a bitch. "How dare she hook up with this good looking of a guy that has something to offer." She had something on you and used it. Probably hoping he'd like her more.

[ARMANIXXX]

GG's are that way period. It's why I only date tgirls. When a Man get's involved they show their true colors and usually turn jealous and bitchy.
By the way how do I use my pic as my avatar?


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Boy........



You are so in for a shock.............



And how.

LOL

;)

[NYTSJulie]

Well.....since, at the moment, I feel like bein JUDGE WAPNER...



Julie, the bartender apparently was the guys friend, so, that being the case, she did the right thing.





Kelly, You need a new circle of friends.


lol





Case closed.

She didnt do the right thing. I have been in the situation of guys not knowing many many many times. I know more about it then you or her. I have a way that I handle it. What she did is dangerous for me. So what are my options, sit home or go to tranny bars? Cause if word gets around I will not be able to go to the same places. Yeah she wasn't doing it out of the goodness out of her heart, she was doing it to be a bitch. "How dare she hook up with this good looking of a guy that has something to offer." She had something on you and used it. Probably hoping he'd like her more.

Ya shes got something on me, but I got something on her also. I was born a boy and can beat the shit out of her like no woman can lol.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Well.....since, at the moment, I feel like bein JUDGE WAPNER...



Julie, the bartender apparently was the guys friend, so, that being the case, she did the right thing.





Kelly, You need a new circle of friends.


lol





Case closed.

She didnt do the right thing. I have been in the situation of guys not knowing many many many times. I know more about it then you or her. I have a way that I handle it. What she did is dangerous for me. So what are my options, sit home or go to tranny bars? Cause if word gets around I will not be able to go to the same places. Yeah she wasn't doing it out of the goodness out of her heart, she was doing it to be a bitch. "How dare she hook up with this good looking of a guy that has something to offer." She had something on you and used it. Probably hoping he'd like her more.

Ya shes got something on me, but I got something on her also. I was born a boy and can beat the shit out of her like on woman can lol. :lol: :lol:

[MrsKellyPierce]

However I'd just leave it alone, if you are worried she is going to spread it around even more. To the places you go now. No reason to make it even more known.

[NYTSJulie]

However I'd just leave it alone, if you are worried she is going to spread it around even more. To the places you go now. No reason to make it even more known.

I have to at least have to say something and put her in her place, or she will think she can do it again.

[MrsKellyPierce]

However I'd just leave it alone, if you are worried she is going to spread it around even more. To the places you go now. No reason to make it even more known.

I have to at least have to say something and put her in her place, or she will think she can do it again. Yep I can see that side of it too! These situations are always so delicate, thats when I most despise being a transwoman.

[NYTSJulie]

Who thinks that T girls should tell guys right away?

[ARMANIXXX]

She didnt do the right thing. I have been in the situation of guys not knowing many many many times. I know more about it then you or her. I have a way that I handle it. What she did is dangerous for me. So what are my options, sit home or go to tranny bars? Cause if word gets around I will not be able to go to the same places.

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I don't really want to pretend as if I'm an expert in your endeavor Julie, because obviously, I'm not.

But I do have some expertise in another.

So I'll try an explain in analogy as best I can.......


When I got out of high school, a couple years after actually, I got my first sales job selling cars. I was doing really well, I was selling a car a day at one point. But in California, you need a sales license to sell cars. I had some minor transgressions, like fighting.....little shit like that. Basically, I fought store security because I was trying to steal a bottle of liquor out of a store........Misdemeanor. I never lied on the DMV application where it asks, "Have you ever been convicted of any crime including misdemeanors", I simply left it blank. I was convicted of battery

Long story short, I lost that job because the DMV wouldn't give me my sales license because they said I wasn't being forthright and honest.


I went back to school and it worked out in the end and yada yada yada, but I had time to think about it, and the basic gist,

Not only was I being a violent thief at the time of the incident.............

But I was exposed a liar as well.



Was a life lesson I learned.



Good luck Julie.

[Tomfurbs]

As someone who shares a flat with three screaming, infighting, crying biatches, I can honestly say that women are deceitful above all things, especially with their female 'friends'. I don't envy you. Try not to get violent though.

[NYTSJulie]

She didnt do the right thing. I have been in the situation of guys not knowing many many many times. I know more about it then you or her. I have a way that I handle it. What she did is dangerous for me. So what are my options, sit home or go to tranny bars? Cause if word gets around I will not be able to go to the same places.

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I don't really want to pretend as if I'm an expert in your endeavor Julie, because obviously, I'm not.

But I do have some expertise in another.

So I'll try an explain in analogy as best I can.......


When I got out of high school, a couple years after actually, I got my first sales job selling cars. I was doing really well, I was selling a car a day at one point. But in California, you need a sales license to sell cars. I had some minor transgressions, like fighting.....little shit like that. Basically, I fought store security because I was trying to steal a bottle of liquor out of a store........Misdemeanor. I never lied on the DMV application where it asks, "Have you ever been convicted of any crime including misdemeanors", I simply left it blank. I was convicted of battery

Long story short, I lost that job because the DMV wouldn't give me my sales license because they said I wasn't being forthright and honest.


I went back to school and it worked out in the end and yada yada yada, but I had time to think about it, and the basic gist,

Not only was I being a violent thief at the time of the incident.............

But I was exposed a liar as well.



Was a life lesson I learned.



Good luck Julie.

I understand ur point but what she did could cause me danger, and thats where my BIG problem lies.

[Legend]

Who thinks that T girls should tell guys right away?

Aren't you putting yourself in danger when you don't tell them?

[MrsKellyPierce]

It's hard for a transsexual woman to find a good looking guy thats going somewhere to live their life with. I don't think it's lying or misrepresenting myself acting how I act ALL THE TIME - A woman. If I was sucking his dick or fucking him and covering my T thats different, but talking to a guy and getting to know him, why should it come into play?

[MrsKellyPierce]

Who thinks that T girls should tell guys right away?

Aren't you putting yourself in danger when you don't tell them? There's danger every day you walk out your door and interact with anyone as a transsexual or women or man.

[NYTSJulie]

Who thinks that T girls should tell guys right away?

Aren't you putting yourself in danger when you don't tell them?

Lets see this scenario, he walks up to me in the bar and says hi and I respond with "Hello my name is Julie, its nice to meet you. Oh BTW I am packing a strong 7 incher, so tell me about yourself"

[midpier]

You know it is clearly evident by your posts that you are a sweetheart. I will look you up when your in town next. Thanks for being sweet doll.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Who thinks that T girls should tell guys right away?

Aren't you putting yourself in danger when you don't tell them?

Lets see this scenario, he walks up to me in the bar and says hi and I respond with "Hello my name is Julie, its nice to meet you. Oh BTW I am packing a strong 7 incher, so tell me about yourself" :lol: :lol:

[Odelay]

Who thinks that T girls should tell guys right away?

Well, I believe you sort of alluded to "your way of doing things." I'm sure lots of guys have lots of different opinions, but in the end, only your opinion really counts, and it's backed up by 13 years of experience. Best-o-luck, Julie.

By the way, your future husband, whomever that may be, will he be known as Mr. Julie? 8)

[mpcc2004]

I don't think it is necessary to tell the guy when you first meet him. You are just getting to know each other. If it were me I would just want to be told before things got romantic. And by romantic I don't mean sex, I mean making out etc. It sounds like that is what most of the women here do.

[trish]

Telling someone right away almost always just gets in the way. But a guy needs to be told soon, but you don't want to "lead him on". It's fucking tricky. I hate it.

On a related note:

GG’s who are feminists often have even deeper issues with us. (Don’t get me wrong, I’m a feminist myself. That’s just a corollary of my belief that the laws of the land should be gender symmetric.) I’ve been told by feminist GG’s that transgender women are dragging the culture backwards. That we over emphasize the importance of secondary sexual characteristics, cosmetics, clothing and feminine mannerisms. They claim we affirm all societal roles expectations they are out to destroy. I’ve been told, “Why can’t you be a woman without taking hormones or changing your body? Why do you have to be a woman to make love to a man?” Some woman just seem unable and unwilling to understand our unique predicament. I don’t think they really believe in gender dysphoria. We’re just a aberration that stands in contradiction to their political ideals and they’d rather we just didn’t exist. I’m not accusing all feminist GG’s of this, but I’ve met a significant proportion.

[tgirlzoe]

When I moved back in with my roommate, I had decided to be more out about my trans stuff and the third-gender thing. But she'd always laugh and tell me I was such a girl because she assumed I was biologically female. A couple times she even said, "You're a girl, you have a 'vajayjay'!" (then I'd laugh at her for being a 19/20yo who says "vajayjay" ^_^). When I would get depressed, she'd comfort me. I'd go through all the things I hated about my body and she'd justify each one of them, telling me I was beautiful. We even had a couple of interesting sensual experiences.

Well, then she found out I was born male and we had a conversation about the whole thing and I was open with her. But now she's always like, "You're such a guy!", "You're not a real girl!", "Sorry but you're not invited, just the girls."

Yesterday, she was showing me her new clothes and said, "I'd make you try on my shoes but I know they won't fit" (she's a 6), "you have such man feet". Then she was going on about how I relate to her boyfriend better than her and that's because we're both men (or it's because she's abrasive and he's laid-back and cool, and I like him). Then she was like, "Why don't you want to be a boy?" and I said, "What? What do you mean? Why don't you want to be a boy?" "Because I'm not a boy." "Exactly."

The whole way she related to me changed since she found out I was TS. Now instead of getting to spend girl time together shopping or watching stupid chick flicks and talk, she never wants to hang out with me and I don't really want to hang out with her because she always has to make disparaging comments.

She prides herself on being up-front and speaking her mind to people but a lot of times she just comes off as a bitch. Her mother-in-law-to-be hates that about her and I told her that I don't think she's evil or cruel or anything, she just can grate on people sometimes.

There's a reason I don't tell people I'm trans, the entire way they relate to you changes and most of the time it gets worse. My mom said over Christmas that she kept trying to pressure me not to be gay/trans or at least not tell anyone, while I was in middle school and high school (she started laying it on me about the gay thing while I was in 8th grade) because it's so hard to go through high school anyway. What she didn't realize, of course, is that I would have been a million times more well-adjusted if she had listened to me and worked with me on it rather than just fighting me about it all the time. Of course, she had to deal with my dad and his inability to accept me being different too.

My mom worries about violence towards me because I'm trans. She said it was especially because the time when I was coming out was soon after Matthew Shephard was all over the news. So she kept trying to keep me in the closet, I always thought it was because she was embarassed of me. Now, 8-9 years later, she says it was because she feared for me (reality is probably both). She said the world is cruel enough to straight people. But all that happened was that I became a danger to myself and kept having to go through therapy to deal with depression and such without addressing the actual issue.

I told her that I'm better off now than before transition because then I was just a fem gay boy (who occasionally passed but not regularly) and much more subject to violence than now. Now I just make sure people don't find out. No, she doesn't like the fact that I'll go out with guys without telling them but I promised her that I was careful. I just don't want to have it well-known in town that I'm trans. We already have a town tranny, she's awesome, pretty, artistic and doesn't seem to mind that everyone knows she's trans, but that's not me. I already had to spend high school as a freak, I didn't want my college experience to be the same.

So yeah, I get tired of the bullshit. I have enough emotional problems about my body and gender without having supposed friends point them out to me constantly. God knows how many of her friends she's told too. She loves to talk about people behind their backs. I'm sure she talks about me too.

I thought I was together enough now to be more open about being trans. I thought I could trust certain people. I can't. (Some) women are still backstabbing bitches.


(sorry for the long rant, had to get a couple things off my chest)

[MrsKellyPierce]

Telling someone right away almost always just gets in the way. But a guy needs to be told soon, but you don't want to "lead him on". It's fucking tricky. I hate it.

On a related note:

GG’s who are feminists often have even deeper issues with us. (Don’t get me wrong, I’m a feminist myself. That’s just a corollary of my belief that the laws of the land should be gender symmetric.) I’ve been told by feminist GG’s that transgender women are dragging the culture backwards. That we over emphasize the importance of secondary sexual characteristics, cosmetics, clothing and feminine mannerisms. They claim we affirm all societal roles expectations they are out to destroy. I’ve been told, “Why can’t you be a woman without taking hormones or changing your body? Why do you have to be a woman to make love to a man?” Some woman just seem unable and unwilling to understand our unique predicament. I don’t think they really believe in gender dysphoria. We’re just a aberration that stands in contradiction to their political ideals and they’d rather we just didn’t exist. I’m not accusing all feminist GG’s of this, but I’ve met a significant proportion. I have had mixed reviews from lesbians also. Entertaining, many lesbians tell me they hate drag queens, but feel differently about me, cause they don't think I am mocking what a woman is about. I elude the sexuality of a woman on stage, I don't put loads of make up on so it looks scary, and I present and act like a lady all the time. Then I have had other lesbians tell me they think I'm a bitch and gross. So I guess it really just depends on the female.

[ARMANIXXX]

See Julie,

I re-read what you said and, here's where I feel where you might consider a change in philosophy:

Now I don’t run around telling people my “T”. I feel that it is my business and unless I am about to go to bed with someone then I have no obligation to divulge it. People treat you differently when they know right off the bat rather than finding out down the road.




The way you wrote this, and the way if my memory serves me correctly, you prefer to "tell someone", basically only when necessary and/or at the last minute.......basically, put it off for as long as possible.

Hey, again I'm no expert in this, and I don't know when you should tell, but instead of working hard to hide and conceal,that sort of mindset/tendancy I mean, Perhaps you might try hard to bring it forth and expose yourself, as early as possible........philosophically speaking.

That guy, who was exposed to your secret by the bartender, he probably isn't gonna see you anymore, if for no other reason than embarrassment by others.

Had you told him, had you had the chance, say like the day before..........You and him could probably have had a chance.

[crayons]

I swear women feel threatened. They get all catty when you’re more attractive than them or you get more attention, they think “and she isn’t even a real girl”.

It's not threat, more like confusion. GG's always see Transsexuals as men "trying" to be women, not women born as men. The so called issue you sense from GG's is hatred towards men (which- if you read my definition: includes TS's). We have respect for what y'all is trying to do- but it's still; unfortunately according to us, men hitting on one another.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I personally like dating guys that aren't in the "scene" of the transsexual world. Only, because they don't make you being a transsexual an issue at least in the dating area. Guys that know you are a transsexual tend to treat you differently in my experience. I've dated both.

[Legend]

@kellyshore your quite true danger is everywhere but you have to agree being transgender makes you a easy target.

@NYTSJulie i'm just saying you know how some of those guys are you don't even have to be intimate they will snap regardless because they think they were talking to a man(which isn't the case).

[crayons]

I personally like dating guys that aren't in the "scene" of the transsexual world.

You just shot down every guy on this forum. :lol:

[MrsKellyPierce]

I personally like dating guys that aren't in the "scene" of the transsexual world.

You just shot down every guy on this forum. :lol: haha true, but it's nothing worse talking to a guy. Then he assumes, because you are a transsexual you know pornstars they have pined over for years. No offense to these pornstars, just saying.

[Legend]

I swear women feel threatened. They get all catty when you’re more attractive than them or you get more attention, they think “and she isn’t even a real girl”.

It's not threat, more like confusion. GG's always see Transsexuals as men "trying" to be women, not women born as men. The so called issue you sense from GG's is hatred towards men (which- if you read my definition: includes TS's). We have respect for what y'all is trying to do- but it's still; unfortunately according to us, men hitting on one another.

So says the guy pretending to be a gg,we all know the story of crayons the liar.Dude don't you have any murders to commit you freakin physcopath.

[trish]

You just shot down every guy on this forum. Laughing

bang bang

[MrsKellyPierce]

@kellyshore your quite true danger is everywhere but you have to agree being transgender makes you a easy target.

@NYTSJulie i'm just saying you know how some of those guys are you don't even have to be intimate they will snap regardless because they think they were talking to a man(which isn't the case). I just don't see why I need to tell my T to someone I am just talking to. What if I tell him out of "respect" so you say, and that in itself puts me in more danger if he freaks out and starts pummeling me. When I could of avoided that situation in the first place.

[crayons]

So says the guy pretending to be a gg,we all know the story of crayons the liar.Dude don't you have any murders to commit you freakin physcopath.

Scenario: I ignore you. What will you do?

[MrsKellyPierce]

Oh and also I'm sorry but I don't like admitting to a guy that I'm a transsexual at a straight bar, because usually they get obnoxious. I don't want them saying omg omg omg are you really a man so the bar can hear.

[Legend]

@kellyshore your quite true danger is everywhere but you have to agree being transgender makes you a easy target.

@NYTSJulie i'm just saying you know how some of those guys are you don't even have to be intimate they will snap regardless because they think they were talking to a man(which isn't the case). I just don't see why I need to tell my T to someone I am just talking to. What if I tell him out of "respect" so you say, and that in itself puts me in more danger if he freaks out and starts pummeling me. When I could of avoided that situation in the first place.

That's a good point never really thought of that i guess its kinda like a double edge sword for you girls,you tell him he snaps,he finds out himself he snaps.Kel why no just go for guys who already know?

[xxxsexyd]

I had the same thing happen to me a few months back, went to a party and met a guy, we hit it off he starts putting his arm around my hips and all of the sudden he's trying to kiss me. I don't usually let guys near me unless they know, but I was caugh off guard and after 2 vodka tonics I was a bit buzzed. We kissed and I asked the Boss to walk me to my car. I gave the guy my card and was sure he would call... Turns out my Boss's assistant is friends with him and she may have spilled the beans. I am not sure if she is threatened cause she is a good girl, but she wanted to be the one to tell her friend to know what he was doing before he got into it... What if he knew and just wanted discretion? But anyway, I am sure that GGs don't really understand the game... I don't understand it myself.

I just try to meet someone in which we can be completly honest with each other and do not have closed minded friends, family or who live in a "bubble".

I am not one to advertize my " T " but I don't want to be unconfortable around people. I am not a woman and will never be, I am a transsexual and you can kiss my ass if you don't like it. When you have a "secrete" people usually treat you differently. Don't hate the players hate the game!

[mpcc2004]

Oh and also I'm sorry but I don't like admitting to a guy that I'm a transsexual at a straight bar, because usually they get obnoxious. I don't want them saying omg omg omg are you really a man so the bar can hear.

I don't think you are under any obligation to do that at all. I don't see the need to divulge personal things about myself to someone I have just met. I think most people are that way as well. Obviously, if you are romantically interested in him then you would tell him at some point while you are getting to know each other, but before that I don't see any reason why you would need to.

[MrsKellyPierce]

@kellyshore your quite true danger is everywhere but you have to agree being transgender makes you a easy target.

@NYTSJulie i'm just saying you know how some of those guys are you don't even have to be intimate they will snap regardless because they think they were talking to a man(which isn't the case). I just don't see why I need to tell my T to someone I am just talking to. What if I tell him out of "respect" so you say, and that in itself puts me in more danger if he freaks out and starts pummeling me. When I could of avoided that situation in the first place.

That's a good point never really thought of that i guess its kinda like a double edge sword for you girls,you tell him he snaps,he finds out himself he snaps.Kel why no just go for guys who already know? Because 9 out of 10 times those guys that know don't see you as the woman you are. Straight guys can see that side before a man that knows sees it thats attracted to the pre-op transsexual.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Oh and also I'm sorry but I don't like admitting to a guy that I'm a transsexual at a straight bar, because usually they get obnoxious. I don't want them saying omg omg omg are you really a man so the bar can hear.

I don't think you are under any obligation to do that at all. I don't see the need to divulge personal things about myself to someone I have just met. I think most people are that way as well. Obviously, if you are romantically interested in him then you would tell him at some point while you are getting to know each other, but before that I don't see any reason why you would need to. Thank you, exactly people don't divuldge everything about themselves when talking. It's not like he walked up to and said Hi my name is Mike and I have a 9 inch dick. lol

[Hank147]

Who thinks that T girls should tell guys right away?

There can't be a catch all "works every time" answer for this question. There are things to be discussed in almost every relationship scenario there is.

One I encounter in my life is when to share the fact I smoke pot. There is obviously danger in admitting to being a law breaker (Federal, I am in California) to the wrong person.

So to answer you Julie, no, or yes, depending on the person/situation.

[SarahG]

I was born a boy and can beat the shit out of her like no woman can lol.

I dunno, there are some SCARY gg's out there that would give most typical GB guys a run for their money in a fight. This one girl I used to work with took steroids and T (not enough to say, transition like a FtM- just to help gain bulk when working out), and holy crap she was strong.


I have to at least have to say something and put her in her place, or she will think she can do it again.

Yea, I think you're right. People like this will do it again unless they know better, I don't know enough to be able to say rather she will not do it again in response to being politely told its wrong (and why). Some people will actually not repeat this kinda thing after being told why its a bad idea politely and calmly, but not everyone is that civil by any means.

My mom used to out me like the examples in this thread, when I talked to her about it, it boiled down to two things... her thinking it was funny to see how people would react :roll: and feeling threatened by me and having this fear that I'd be interested in her bfs and could be competition. Sat down, explained it all and said she would have to trust me- and that was the end of it. I've had "friends" where this tactic did not work.



Who thinks that T girls should tell guys right away?

Oh fuck, you didn't just say that did you? LOL. With some of the guys on here- you better believe some think this.

[mbf]

@kellyshore your quite true danger is everywhere but you have to agree being transgender makes you a easy target.

@NYTSJulie i'm just saying you know how some of those guys are you don't even have to be intimate they will snap regardless because they think they were talking to a man(which isn't the case). I just don't see why I need to tell my T to someone I am just talking to. What if I tell him out of "respect" so you say, and that in itself puts me in more danger if he freaks out and starts pummeling me. When I could of avoided that situation in the first place.

That's a good point never really thought of that i guess its kinda like a double edge sword for you girls,you tell him he snaps,he finds out himself he snaps.Kel why no just go for guys who already know? Because 9 out of 10 times those guys that know don't see you as the woman you are. Straight guys can see that side before a man that knows sees it thats attracted to the pre-op transsexual.

right, straight guys see a pussy to fuck, with a body attached to it.

and guys in the "scene" are all cocksuckers and take it up the ass.

don´t you just LOVE cliches and wishful thinking?

[MrsKellyPierce]

@kellyshore your quite true danger is everywhere but you have to agree being transgender makes you a easy target.

@NYTSJulie i'm just saying you know how some of those guys are you don't even have to be intimate they will snap regardless because they think they were talking to a man(which isn't the case). I just don't see why I need to tell my T to someone I am just talking to. What if I tell him out of "respect" so you say, and that in itself puts me in more danger if he freaks out and starts pummeling me. When I could of avoided that situation in the first place.

That's a good point never really thought of that i guess its kinda like a double edge sword for you girls,you tell him he snaps,he finds out himself he snaps.Kel why no just go for guys who already know? Because 9 out of 10 times those guys that know don't see you as the woman you are. Straight guys can see that side before a man that knows sees it thats attracted to the pre-op transsexual.

right, straight guys see a pussy to fuck, with a body attached to it.

and guys in the "scene" are all cocksuckers and take it up the ass.

don´t you just LOVE cliches and wishful thinking? It's just been my own personal experience with men Steven. I am not downing anyone. I find that guys that aren't in the scene respect me as a woman, and treat me how I'd like to be treated. Guys that know want to know how big my cock is and if it gets hard. THATS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE, so if that upsets you, I apologize.

[ARMANIXXX]

@kellyshore your quite true danger is everywhere but you have to agree being transgender makes you a easy target.

@NYTSJulie i'm just saying you know how some of those guys are you don't even have to be intimate they will snap regardless because they think they were talking to a man(which isn't the case). I just don't see why I need to tell my T to someone I am just talking to. What if I tell him out of "respect" so you say, and that in itself puts me in more danger if he freaks out and starts pummeling me. When I could of avoided that situation in the first place.

That's a good point never really thought of that i guess its kinda like a double edge sword for you girls,you tell him he snaps,he finds out himself he snaps.Kel why no just go for guys who already know? Because 9 out of 10 times those guys that know don't see you as the woman you are. Straight guys can see that side before a man that knows sees it thats attracted to the pre-op transsexual.

right, straight guys see a pussy to fuck, with a body attached to it.

and guys in the "scene" are all cocksuckers and take it up the ass.

don´t you just LOVE cliches and wishful thinking? It's just been my own personal experience with men Steven. I am not downing anyone. I find that guys that aren't in the scene respect me as a woman, and treat me how I'd like to be treated. Guys that know want to know how big my cock is and if it gets hard. THATS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE, so if that upsets you, I apologize.




lol





Well,


























Does it?

LOL

[BlackAdder]

I would have to agree that women are like this with other women as well....I dated a smokin hot black girl one time and she always used to say that she had the most problems with girlfriends...especially when going out to the clubs and MOST especially when she got on the dance floor.


But honestly, if your interested in a guy this is one of the FIRST things you should tell him....Leading a guy on is foolhardy in the extreme.

[mbf]

[ It's just been my own personal experience with men Steven. I am not downing anyone. I find that guys that aren't in the scene respect me as a woman, and treat me how I'd like to be treated. Guys that know want to know how big my cock is and if it gets hard. THATS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE, so if that upsets you, I apologize.

It doesn´t upset me at all. It´s just funny, that you think "straight" guys are respecting you as a person, and by no way think about your toilet parts when hitting on you. THAT´s wishful thinking.

[mpcc2004]

Oh and also I'm sorry but I don't like admitting to a guy that I'm a transsexual at a straight bar, because usually they get obnoxious. I don't want them saying omg omg omg are you really a man so the bar can hear.

I don't think you are under any obligation to do that at all. I don't see the need to divulge personal things about myself to someone I have just met. I think most people are that way as well. Obviously, if you are romantically interested in him then you would tell him at some point while you are getting to know each other, but before that I don't see any reason why you would need to. Thank you, exactly people don't divuldge everything about themselves when talking. It's not like he walked up to and said Hi my name is Mike and I have a 9 inch dick. lol

Hmm. I've never thought about using the 9 inch dick line before. But my name isn't Mike. Oh well.

[Legend]

@kellyshore your quite true danger is everywhere but you have to agree being transgender makes you a easy target.

@NYTSJulie i'm just saying you know how some of those guys are you don't even have to be intimate they will snap regardless because they think they were talking to a man(which isn't the case). I just don't see why I need to tell my T to someone I am just talking to. What if I tell him out of "respect" so you say, and that in itself puts me in more danger if he freaks out and starts pummeling me. When I could of avoided that situation in the first place.

That's a good point never really thought of that i guess its kinda like a double edge sword for you girls,you tell him he snaps,he finds out himself he snaps.Kel why no just go for guys who already know? Because 9 out of 10 times those guys that know don't see you as the woman you are. Straight guys can see that side before a man that knows sees it thats attracted to the pre-op transsexual.


Sorry but i'm a little confused so your saying most of the guy on this forum doesn't really see you as a true women but the "straight guys" can?

[MrsKellyPierce]

[ It's just been my own personal experience with men Steven. I am not downing anyone. I find that guys that aren't in the scene respect me as a woman, and treat me how I'd like to be treated. Guys that know want to know how big my cock is and if it gets hard. THATS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE, so if that upsets you, I apologize.

It doesn´t upset me at all. Itz´s just funny, that you think "straight" guys are respecting you as a person, and by no way thik about your toilet parts when hitting on you. THAT´s wishfu thinking. Well I am sure they are thinking of my vagina since men think about sex all the time. I'm just saying HOW THE TREAT ME, they treat me as a woman. I am not talking about SEX again thats where we differ. You go right for the sex part.

[MrsKellyPierce]

@kellyshore your quite true danger is everywhere but you have to agree being transgender makes you a easy target.

@NYTSJulie i'm just saying you know how some of those guys are you don't even have to be intimate they will snap regardless because they think they were talking to a man(which isn't the case). I just don't see why I need to tell my T to someone I am just talking to. What if I tell him out of "respect" so you say, and that in itself puts me in more danger if he freaks out and starts pummeling me. When I could of avoided that situation in the first place.

That's a good point never really thought of that i guess its kinda like a double edge sword for you girls,you tell him he snaps,he finds out himself he snaps.Kel why no just go for guys who already know? Because 9 out of 10 times those guys that know don't see you as the woman you are. Straight guys can see that side before a man that knows sees it thats attracted to the pre-op transsexual.


Sorry but i'm a little confused so your saying most of the guy on this forum doesn't really see you as a true women but the "straight guys" can? No before I had surgeries they were rude, condescending, and mean about my looks at times. Now that I have had surgeries their protocol has changed. So no I do not feel they do. They see me as a chick with a dick or shemale. Which is fine, I accept that. I am on a porn forum.

[SarahG]

But honestly, if your interested in a guy this is one of the FIRST things you should tell him....Leading a guy on is foolhardy in the extreme.

Annnnd here it starts.

There are so many ways a relationship can end before it starts, why out yourself to a guy at the very beginning when it might not even get to a 2nd date for some random reason? Like not having anything in common, not liking his personality- whatever.

I'm not saying I'm all for the after sex "you know, I should mention..." lines, but there is just no reason to say it the moment someone hits on you in public, or hell- possibly not even by the end of the 1st date depending on the situation.

[NYTSJulie]

This is how it works. If I guy knows right away he will treat you differently, 100 percent of the time. Not always with a poor reaction but still will treat you differently.

If he finds out down the road he will already know you as a person, not an object not as just a transsexual, but a person.

The way it works best is....date them for a little while and if you like them continue to date them. Once the emotions get involved they they are cake in your hand. LOL well maybe its not that easy but when your emotionally connected to someone its a lot harder to turn back.

[MrsKellyPierce]

This is how it works. If I guy knows right away he will treat you differently, 100 percent of the time. Not always with a poor reaction but still will treat you differently.

If he finds out down the road he will already know you as a person, not an object not as just a transsexual, but a person.

The way it works best is....date them for a little while and if you like them continue to date them. Once the emotions get involved they they are cake in your hand. LOL well maybe its not that easy but when your emotionally connected to someone its a lot harder to turn back. co-sign

[NYTSJulie]

When it comes to just sex and not trying to land a husband that's a different story. I would say 98 percent of the time they are ok with it for the night. Like when the guy called me last night to ask if its true. First he was all freaked out then we talked and by the end of the conversation he asked me to come over. I said no and told him, your tipsy and tomorrow I am not going to hear from you again if I come or not.

[ARMANIXXX]

This is how it works. If I guy knows right away he will treat you differently, 100 percent of the time. Not always with a poor reaction but still will treat you differently.

If he finds out down the road he will already know you as a person, not an object not as just a transsexual, but a person.

The way it works best is....date them for a little while and if you like them continue to date them. Once the emotions get involved they they are cake in your hand. LOL well maybe its not that easy but when your emotionally connected to someone its a lot harder to turn back.

__________________________________________________ ______________________





Basically........trick them as long as possible then.........







































Bust out you strong 7 incher and live happily ever after.


ummm.....

good luck with that.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I again don't see how it's tricking? If you are just acting as who you are? Not having sex, kissing, sucking whatever the sexual contact may be.

[mbf]

This is how it works. If I guy knows right away he will treat you differently, 100 percent of the time. Not always with a poor reaction but still will treat you differently.
.

This is were self-deceit sets in. Because you will never give a guy who has some T-experience a fair chance. From the very beginning you will look for poor behaviour, just to satisfy your cliche of men into TS who see you just as objects.

Why that is I can only speculate, but that stance possibly stems from the fact you probably encounter men who know beforehand only when you work as an escort. Therefore, they indeed see you as an object.

[NYTSJulie]

This is how it works. If I guy knows right away he will treat you differently, 100 percent of the time. Not always with a poor reaction but still will treat you differently.

If he finds out down the road he will already know you as a person, not an object not as just a transsexual, but a person.

The way it works best is....date them for a little while and if you like them continue to date them. Once the emotions get involved they they are cake in your hand. LOL well maybe its not that easy but when your emotionally connected to someone its a lot harder to turn back.

__________________________________________________ ______________________





Basically........trick them as long as possible then.........







































Bust out you strong 7 incher and live happily ever after.


ummm.....

good luck with that.

Let me put it into lay-mans terms for you. If I met you and you had a prosthetic leg I wouldn't go out with you. If I met you, went out with you a few times and then found out, it wouldn't matter to me as much. If you had a prosthetic leg you wont be showing it off and telling people, they would treat you differently. Its sad but thats how the world works, you can either adapt to it or spend a lifetime trying to change something you cant.

[SarahG]

I again don't see how it's tricking? If you are just acting as who you are? Not having sex, kissing, sucking whatever the sexual contact may be.

Some guys, even on this board think its tricking unless the guy knows from the moment he goes "hey, you're hot" in a public place. :roll:

There have been enough threads on this issue that I would go so far as to say these guys won't be changing their stances anytime soon.

[NYTSJulie]

This is how it works. If I guy knows right away he will treat you differently, 100 percent of the time. Not always with a poor reaction but still will treat you differently.
.

This is were self-deceit sets in. Because you will never give a guy who has some T-experience a fair chance. From the very beginning you will look for poor behaviour, just to satisfy your cliche of men into TS who see you just as objects.

Why that is I can only speculate, but that stance possibly stems from the fact you probably encounter men who know beforehand only when you work as an escort. Therefore, they indeed see you as an object.

If you went to dinner with a transsexual you would look around the restaurant to see if anyone clocks her. You would think twice about bringing her home to meet your parents, then probably decide that its not a good idea to chance it. You might care or you may not, but you would still be treating her differently. Its natural human behavior, thats why its best to tell someone when the time is right.

[ARMANIXXX]

I again don't see how it's tricking? If you are just acting as who you are? Not having sex, kissing, sucking whatever the sexual contact may be.

__________________________________________________ __________________


See Kelly, there is a fundamental difference in between your philosophy, and Julie's.




here on this thread that was just recently made
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=29781
you said,


When he asks me on a date, if we are just talking on the bar and on the phone I don't say anything. As soon as it turns to the romantic point of a 'date' I let him know.

However there has been times that I broke those rules and just told the guys straight out and by luck it worked out for me in a good way. However I got lucky and I know it.










You see,
That isn't quite Julie's "KARMA plan of action".

[xxxsexyd]

I agree... People are attracted to you as you are and as you see, some men would not be into it - That you will have to accept. Once the feelings are involved not only will he be let down but so will you.

If it works for you then great... More power to you...

For myself, I would like a guy who is proud of all I have accomplished, proud of me as a human not just a TS. If he is anyone worth giving my heart to then he will not treat me differently. But a TS must understand that she is NOT like anyone, especially a genetic female. You are yourself, unlike anyone else, you have gifts, talents, beauty... And if a man isn't willing to see passed your penis then that is his loss and your gain.

I don't like lying to people. Being a transsexual is a huge part of who I am, therefore I like to be honest with those I meet. I like that to be the base of all of my relationships, that being friends, family and eventually a man.

I don't know what it's like to be a woman to any other woman but to myself, so if you ask me... " What is it like to be a woman? " ... I trully do not know how to answer it. I just am...

Guys who meet me adore me as I am, and the ones that are willing to stick around and climb the mountain with me, those who have strength and a heart, compassion, understanding - Those are the guys I seek.

I hate lying to people

[BlackAdder]

Hmm..well Kelly i think if your "interested" in a guy and you dont tell him within the first 24 hours then yes, its tricking..

If i spent all week talking to a girl and then she told me she was in prison for dismembering and eating people, well...Id kinda not want to talk to her.

Ive no time for girls who hide things anymore; I will respect you MUCH more if you tell me whats up early on.....Maybe im in the minority but i also know that im a damn good boyfriend.


And again....any girl that thinks a 100% "straight" guy is going to be truly interested in a TS is fooling themselves.....Im not gay but im definetly not straight either....theres some other classification for only being attracted to tgirls that look like girls.

[NYTSJulie]

I love how every troll comes out to say "be upfront with them". These are the same guys who post "keep your cock!!!' when a girl talks about getting SRS. 99.9 percent of them would deny knowing you if you ran into them in person and they were with their mother.

[BlackAdder]

I love how every troll comes out to say "be upfront with them". These are the same guys who post "keep your cock!!!' when a girl talks about getting SRS. 99.9 percent of them would deny knowing you if you ran into them in person and they were with their mother.



Gotta call BS on this one....Maybe its the circles you run in.


And yeah, im in the keep your cock camp, at least medical technology isnt the horrible butchery it is right now.

[str8curiousm]

Well, also this kind of goes back to the larger issue that blossomed from the "Do T-girls like to be sucked off" thread.

There were posters chiming in when some of the ladies said they didn't like it at all with things like "that's sad," or "that makes no sense."

Essentially, it seems that they're missing the whole idea of what being TG is. I'm not TG, so please forgive me if I'm mischaracterizing here. As I understand it, the goal is not to live as a "chick with a dick," but to live as a woman.

And if Julie and Kelly or anyone else is living as a woman, there is absolutely no good reason whatsoever at the earliest stage of a relationship to share their transitioning status.

It's anatomy, not gender. If a woman had a really large clit, or inverted nipples, would she be required to divulge that within 3 conversations? Of course not.

As someone said above, there's not going to be one universal "right" way of doing things. But to try to tell someone else when they should share that kind of information is silly, especially when they have the day to day experience with peoples' reactions and predjudices.

And this is all completely seperate from the unfortunate danger issues.

[str8curiousm]

Blackaddaer wrote:

"If i spent all week talking to a girl and then she told me she was in prison for dismembering and eating people, well...Id kinda not want to talk to her. "

Are you seriously equating being TG with murder, dismemberment and cannibalism?

On this forum?

And you're also implying that if she told you up front about being a homicidal cannibal, you WOULD talk to her?

[BlackAdder]

Hey, im only espousing being up front with a guy when you KNOW your interested and he may be interested back.... To my way of thinking it really behooves you to make every attempt to find out if hes going to be trassexual friendly from the get go.

Regular schmucks in your day to day life dont need to know anything.

[NYTSJulie]

And again....any girl that thinks a 100% "straight" guy is going to be truly interested in a TS is fooling themselves

Your wrong. If someone is turned on and attracted to another person it isn't something you can just turn off. Secondly, sexually orientation is the attraction to a man or a woman, not the attraction to a pussy or a cock. The mind doesn't work like that, its a mind funk in a way but its true.

[BlackAdder]

Blackaddaer wrote:

"If i spent all week talking to a girl and then she told me she was in prison for dismembering and eating people, well...Id kinda not want to talk to her. "

Are you seriously equating being TG with murder, dismemberment and cannibalism?

On this forum?



Quiet noob...

[BlackAdder]

Oh i know just how complicated it is lol....But if were going to bandy words like "straight", "gay" and "bi" in the strictest sense.....Then i still think you cant be truly straight if your going to cross over...even with a truly beautiful TS like yourself or some of the other girls who post here....Im not sure what you are even after years of thinking about it, but i know your not "straight" by the definition.

[ARMANIXXX]

And again....any girl that thinks a 100% "straight" guy is going to be truly interested in a TS is fooling themselves

Your wrong. If someone is turned on and attracted to another person it isn't something you can just turn off. Secondly, sexually orientation is the attraction to a man or a woman, not the attraction to a pussy or a cock. The mind doesn't work like that, its a mind funk in a way but its true.

__________________________________________________ ____________________


I think you are wrong.......


Some guys DO NOT WANT a penis, Julie.





Edit in........
In fact, I KNOW I'm right about that.

I'm willing to bet that you do too.

[BlackAdder]

I agree....some guys do not...its not anywhere in there worldview.

Some guys do, and are generally labeled as chasers by the community...unfortunate because again a small, malicious minority has ruined it for everyone.

And then theres the guys that might be okay with it after they know you for awhile..


But Ill tell you straight up......getting a guy emotionally hooked on you and then revealing your a TS can be devastating and dangerous.

[xxxsexyd]

Again, those are not the people I like to associate with. So what??? Let them talk! It takes more strength and compassion for others to be a transsexual then people will ever know. I am not asking for a man to tell his parents BUT if the convo came up he could just ask " Do you love her, do you think she loves me? Do you see how happy I am? Then why should it matter what's between her legs? That's between me and her and a very personal subject. I am a grown man and I love my girl, no matter who she is physically she is a respectful, smart, amaizing human being and you should care for her for that reason and that reason only! "

That's my kind of man, my kind of person.

Transsexuals tend to carry alot of burden on their shoulders. We sometimes forget that we are the only ones who can need to accept ourselves, and we do not need that from others to retain our happiness. Once we let go of some of that, and love ourselves, then you can be above any one who may not accept us. We need to search for those who do accept us. Like burn victims who feel ugly outside and just want someone to see who they are on the inside, or a blind person who can only see inner beauty, we need to do both for the sake of our own sanity. For ourselves.

[NYTSJulie]

Sexual orientation is not the attraction to a pussy or a cock. People are not attracted to genital. Example I like cock but I dont want to be with a tranny. I would be with a FTM be4 a tranny. I am attracted to a man, and someone who has the gender roles of a man.

[xxxsexyd]

By the way, if you think that SRS will release you from the responsability of being honest or being who you are - That is a HUUUUUUGE mistake. You will still need to be honest with yourself and others to acheave true happiness. That goes for the tranny chasers as well. Releasing yourself from what holds you from completing your lessons in life is a HUUUUGE mistake.

Love is about honesty - It starts with yourself first!

Don't be delusional thinking SRS will change things. MOST men will turn you down just out of fear of being "OUTED " even if you do have a pussy. You were still born a man and that will always be part of who you are. A relationship is based on honesty first. That is why alot of people are unhappy in their current relationships, they forget what is the fundemental basis of a healthy living.

There is a big difference between Living and just Surviving

[ARMANIXXX]

Sexual orientation is not the attraction to a pussy or a cock. People are not attracted to genital. Example I like cock but I dont want to be with a tranny. I would be with a FTM be4 a tranny. I am attracted to a man, and someone who has the gender roles of a man.

__________________________________________________ _________________



Hey Julie,

I respect you as a person,

but it seems now that in your attempt at fooling others,


You've now managed to fool yourself.



*shrug*





Good luck, I suppose.

[NYTSJulie]

Sexual orientation is not the attraction to a pussy or a cock. People are not attracted to genital. Example I like cock but I dont want to be with a tranny. I would be with a FTM be4 a tranny. I am attracted to a man, and someone who has the gender roles of a man.

__________________________________________________ _________________



Hey Julie,

I respect you as a person,

but it seems now that in your attempt at fooling others,


You've now managed to fool yourself.



*shrug*





Good luck, I suppose.

Oh suck my dick, but give me 300 bucks first....silly trick

[ARMANIXXX]

I hope things can work out in your favor next time Julie.

[NYTSJulie]

I get so frustrated when every trick comes out from under their rock to "tell it how it is". Myself and other girls have lived it. We know what works and what doesn't. We know how it works because we have been in all kinds of situations many times over. Its like me trying to tell a black lady how to be black.

[xxxsexyd]

Armani - why must you always start shit with the girls? Jeeeeese get a life!
I am surprised you haven't been banned yet - What a hater - do you have anything nice or inteligent to say? EVER?

[SarahG]

The whole dating process is about getting to know someone you're interested in. There's no way of knowing what random characteristic could be a deal killer for someone who is interested in you.

I know guys that would dump a girl if they found out she was of a certain ethnicity or religious background, does that mean that every girl should immediately point out their genealogy or religious history/views upon being hit on?

Just because rather or not a girl has a given characteristic influences rather YOU are wanting to have them in a LTR does not mean everyone else has the same views.

[DaLonelyGuyNJ]

Well, GG's have problems with T-girls because you show them what it is like to be true women.

[flabbybody]

I love how every troll comes out to say "be upfront with them". These are the same guys who post "keep your cock!!!' when a girl talks about getting SRS. 99.9 percent of them would deny knowing you if you ran into them in person and they were with their mother.

What do expect Julie? You're on a forum populated with guys with an attraction for tgirls. If I met a hot lady at a straight bar on the Island and discovered she was t, I'd feel like I just hit the daily double. This is not exactly the feelings your future husband has right now. But if the guy is all you say he is, he'll want to see you again.

And I would certainly surpress the urge to go ghetto on the bitch who outed you. It'll give you like 10 minutes of satisfaction and buy your chances with the dude you're interested in.

[ARMANIXXX]

Armani - why must you always start shit with the girls? Jeeeeese get a life!
I am surprised you haven't been banned yet - What a hater - do you have anything nice or inteligent to say? EVER?




:?

[xxxsexyd]

No one was attacking Julie nor do we want to attack her. When I was a dude my mom told me " Do not ever strike a woman, not with words, your hands or ever a rose ". I am not sure where people's respect for others has gone these days, and why some of us always find the most oportune times to lash out and strike their hate - I mean seriously...

[MrsKellyPierce]

Exactly I love how the men on here tell us what's best for us, but our way has obviously been working.

[NYTSJulie]

I love how every troll comes out to say "be upfront with them". These are the same guys who post "keep your cock!!!' when a girl talks about getting SRS. 99.9 percent of them would deny knowing you if you ran into them in person and they were with their mother.

What do expect Julie? You're on a forum populated with guys with an attraction for tgirls. If I met a hot lady at a straight bar on the Island and discovered she was t, I'd feel like I just hit the daily double. This is not exactly the feelings your future husband has right now. But if the guy is all you say he is, he'll want to see you again.

And I would certainly surpress the urge to go ghetto on the bitch who outed you. It'll give you like 10 minutes of satisfaction and buy your chances with the dude you're interested in.

aww thank u babe........i am going to Starbucks I need to get my ass moving today this whole thing got me all twisted up I been in my pjs all day.

[xxxsexyd]

Julie, you are a very attactive woman - the girl must like him and that is why she did it - she was very offended that he was more attracted to a transsexual then for her...

You are gorgeous and you don't need to be anyone but yourself. Hold your chin up and next time you see her " Kill her with kindness " . Don't ever mention it, just let her fall into her misery, because her true reason behind what she did was to hurt you in the long run. Don't give her the satisfaction. I think that every guy you meet now you should go to her and brag! LOL

Cheer up and be honest with people - they will value you alot more!

[ARMANIXXX]

I get so frustrated when every trick comes out from under their rock to "tell it how it is". Myself and other girls have lived it. We know what works and what doesn't. We know how it works because we have been in all kinds of situations many times over. Its like me trying to tell a black lady how to be black.

__________________________________________________ ______________________


Again Julie,

I don't know how it is, and I can't really speak on that.

I can speak of my experiences about honesty.

But I can relay others' experiences as told to me.

And from what you said, you may have lost a "potential good one" because of tendency/philosophy.

Obviously it's up to you to change that or not,
But it does stand to reason.......


"If you don't like getting what you're getting, stop doing what your doing".

--Someguy

[NYTSJulie]

Julie, you are a very attactive woman - the girl must like him and that is why she did it - she was very offended that he was more attracted to a transsexual then for her...

You are gorgeous and you don't need to be anyone but yourself. Hold your chin up and next time you see her " Kill her with kindness " . Don't ever mention it, just let her fall into her misery, because her true reason behind what she did was to hurt you in the long run. Don't give her the satisfaction. I think that every guy you meet now you should go to her and brag! LOL

Cheer up and be honest with people - they will value you alot more!

My sister want to go with me and confront her

[ARMANIXXX]

double post

[Odelay]

Exactly I love how the men on here tell us what's best for us, but our way has obviously been working.

Kelly, as long as you're not generalizing then I see your point. If you are generalizing then this quote below, of mine, is not the only one voiced along a similar vein...



Who thinks that T girls should tell guys right away?

Well, I believe you sort of alluded to "your way of doing things." I'm sure lots of guys have lots of different opinions, but in the end, only your opinion really counts, and it's backed up by 13 years of experience. Best-o-luck, Julie.

[xxxsexyd]

My ex's GG girlfriend wrote me an email saying " He is just trying to be a woman and he will never be one because he can't give birth. He wears makeup and he is gay...." All this nasty shit... I wish i still had the letter. Me and my ex are still great friends and she just hates that. She hates that I have more love for him now then when we were dating. She hates that I accomplished everything she ever wish she could even attempt. When he mentions her now he says " I was talking to the woman you hate the other day... " I quickly correct him and say " I don't hate her, I actually love her for teaching me the lessons she did. It was through the pain she imposed on me that I realized a very important lesson. I hate the fact that she fells the way she does about me because all I ever wanted to do is love you. And she told your brother I was a TS which imposed alot of pain on you, her actions are malicious and I feel saddness for her. I hope she gets better... And no... I don't hate her at all - I hate what she did to me, and what you allowed her to do to our relationship "... Danmmmmm that must hit a soft spot! LOL I am sure he tells her everything so.... I get my message across

[xxxsexyd]

If you confront her not only will you be showing her you are less of a person but also showing her you are an angry person. Like I said, take a deep breath, go do something that makes you feel good with your sister, go get a pedicure... A new shirt... and just spend the day with yoru sis instead of causing trouble.

A great friend of mine once said " Pick your battles " and that was after I broke a 14 yo girl's cell phone at the movie theater because she would not shut up LOL

That was then... I wish I had the inner balance then I do now. I am actually pretty ashamed of my actions then. But I feel alot better when I handle myself above those who cause other's harm. It's like when you were a kid looking at an ant farm... You start to see the world and people who just populate it as just that...

One example: When in a croud and I am being pushed around, I just sorta stand there and let others go first, as opposed to my old self who would start shit. I now find others who are even watching my actions and we make eye contact and it's sort of a weird mental connection that happends. You will always find similar minds if you just look hard enough.

DO NOT LET HER ACTIONS BUG YOU!

You are gorgeous - that's the only reason why she did what she did.

[flabbybody]

I guess Rothmann's Steakhouse on Thursday nights is not the Island place I should be hanging at to met hot ladies.

[NYTSJulie]

I guess Rothmann's Steakhouse on Thursday nights is not the Island place I should be hanging at to met hot ladies.

LOL been to Rothmanns but thats not the place

[BlackAdder]

Tricks coming out from under there rocks eh??

Also, I didnt realize you needed to be transsexual to live an honest life Kellly..wow... revelation!


Sorry, but your way has not been working as i hear far more about how keeping that kind of secret has turned out badly rather then well.

If you girls care to post some stories about how hiding your real gender from your intended boyfriend has helped you, Im all ears.

[NYTSJulie]

go to 4 on 110 its the new hot spot.

[NYTSJulie]

Tricks coming out from under there rocks eh??

Also, I didnt realize you needed to be transsexual to live an honest life Kellly..wow... revelation!


Sorry, but your way has not been working as i hear far more about how keeping that kind of secret has turned out badly rather then well.

If you girls care to post some stories about how hiding your real gender from your intended boyfriend has helped you, Im all ears.

I kept it from a guy for 2 months and then ended up having a year long relationship with him.

Another I kept it from for a month back when I lived in MN, we dated for 6 months and now he keeps calling me telling me he misses me.

Do you want more?

[NYTSJulie]

Ok I am outta here 4 now.........kiss kiss

[xxxsexyd]

I have met a guy once who I gave head to and he didn't know LOL
He wanted to fuck but I said I was on the rag LOL

Aside from that I really have not had a long term relationship with a man as a woman yet. Well, I did actually, if you count a year of relapses and fights as a relationship. Also had one a year ago that lasted 6 months, but he wanted to be my father and he was Italian/Irish. That temper UGHHHH! But they both met me knowing I was transsexual. So that made it pretty easy.

But I find that men who are into transsexuals sometimes carry around the same ammount of drama if not more, then the girls do. It's pathetic. Once you learn the game you smell it from a Mile away.

That's why I am single - I will not settle!

Besides that I have plenty of fun braking in the newbees I meet on regular settings who just have a curiosity... That's enough for now.

Men are like kids sometimes... LOL

[MrsKellyPierce]

What does that mean, Adder?

[ARMANIXXX]

:?That should be your av. You convey that attitude almost always. lol

__________________________________________________ __________________



That I harass people or somethin?


Yeah. I'm confused about that.


Damn near offended...........if this wasn't the internet I mean :wink:

[Tepres]

Well, GG's have problems with T-girls because you show them what it is like to be true women.

:lol:

[BlackAdder]

Its means just because ive never been to Cairo, doesnt mean I dont know anything about it....

Whatever...girls will do what they are gonna do...But i still maintain its a bad idea and works out poorly more often then not....and sometimes fatally.

[mbf]

Don't be delusional thinking SRS will change things. MOST men will turn you down just out of fear of being "OUTED " even if you do have a pussy. You were still born a man and that will always be part of who you are. A relationship is based on honesty first. That is why alot of people are unhappy in their current relationships, they forget what is the fundemental basis of a healthy living.

There is a big difference between Living and just Surviving

I tend to agree, to some point. Fact is, that many men will have sex with a pre-op, mainly just out of curiousity, or go with a post-op as well. But having a LTR is a totally different thing. As well as getting married.

I suspect many men will not go that far to marry a TS no matter what plumbing she has just for the reason she is unable to bear children. Possible future children are one of the main reasons for marriage, also on the men´s part. Like it or not, when you reached 30 xou BEGIN to think of the possibility to become a father (unimaginable five, ten yrs ago)

[BlackAdder]

Hmm..have to agree....the biological children issue is extremely thorny for men...Ive wrestled with it back and forth a few times.....when i was in my 20's i was dead set against having children....Now that im in my mid 30's well....its a bit more of a concern...

[xxxsexyd]

Well this guy I am sorta seeing now has a 2 yo. I got to spend some time with them today, bought him a toy cop car today and we had lunch at Fridays. He's quite the lady's man already.

Funny the waiter was like " Ohhhh he looks just like mommy" and me and him looked at each other and laughed a bit.

He came about on a drunken night with a GG. Many women have no clue about how to raise kids or even when to have them. I am not sure being able to physically make babies will make a woman better at being a mother at all.

If things work out with me and his dad, I hope to spend more and more time with them.

Ohhh and btw - there are millions of kids in foster homes needing adoption. Prior to procreation one must consider giving one of them a better life.

I think that's one of the reasons Bob Barker tells us " Spay and Neuter your pets "...

[bkkldby]

i have distinct problems dealing with my own sexuality in regard to the ramifications of living my life as i would like (with a person i care about who happens to be TG) and not have it controlled by the fears that well up inside me when i think about all of this.

i have the utmost admiration for those of you who have been able to make the choice, live as you feel and get on with your lives. your courage and bravery are truly awesome.

i have so many t-friends (very few gg's any more) and at times we talk about this issue of mine, as i am trying to sort out my life and they are the only ones i can confide in and who can relate to what i am going through.

it all boils down to the fact that most people are prejudiced about something, or someone, its basic human insecurity, and until all of that goes away, little else will change on this planet.

sad, but true.

i will end this post the way i end all my phone conversations with my friends.

be safe and know someone cares about you and appreciates you.

but you know that already.

[vman2375]

TOTALLY CORRECT, JULIE

[ARMANIXXX]

TOTALLY CORRECT, JULIE

On which part.




Honestly, philosophical shit aside,

as I said before , bartender was a friend of guy of the present, Julie was a friend of bartender of the past.

Since barkeep told guy Julie was born a man, barkeep was being a friend. If my friend didn't tell me what was what, then I would have no business calling that person my friend.

Really nothing more to say than that other than "its a small world".

[SXFX]

Women.....some times you just have to fuckem to keep them quiet!
Yeah it's not the best thing to say but women will say and do things to each other that guys won't even consider doing to each other.
They are on a good day borderline evil!
Thank god, god gave them tits!

[peggygee]

I get so frustrated when every trick comes out from under their rock to "tell it how it is". Myself and other girls have lived it. We know what works and what doesn't. We know how it works because we have been in all kinds of situations many times over. Its like me trying to tell a black lady how to be black.


If you haven't walked the walk, you shouldn't talk the talk. :smh

Sorry guys the information and experience that you have picked up
from TS porn sites, and escort experiences, do not qualify you as
experts or qualified to make informed comments.

For us, as women this is our life 24/7/365.

For many of you, you haven't even met a transwoman, let alone been
in a relationship with one.

And on the SRS tip, I distinctly recall that only a handful of you have
stated that you have been with a post op, so again I will assert that
you do not know wherof you speak.

Finally, Julie, by no means would I get violent with the woman in question,
but I would explain to her in no uncertain terms why what she did wasn't
cool, and to keep my name and my business out of her mouth.

[GIA LOVES RON]

Me and another t-girl actually just went to a straight club in Boston the other week and I have to say I had lots of fun. But when I go to these places, I make sure that i'm very careful with these kind of situations. There we're a few guys that tried to buy us drinks, wanted to dance with us but I just said no. I was there to have fun for myself and my friend. So we we're dancing and two guys came on to us and started grinding and almost touching to a point where they are actually going to touch my private part.

I SAID "OH HELL NO" , I am not gonna be stupid and act that I have a pussy down there cause I don't (not yet anyway) :lol: So I immediately told my tgirl friend that i'm gonna make an excuse so we can get the hell out of there. I feel so much better when I left and we went down to the bar area and the guys that we're hitting on us started going towards me, and said "what ethnicity are you? and can I ask your number?" and I just said no, I have a bf which is true in my case cause I actually do. And my main purpose in going to that bar is to have fun....a CLEAN FUN!

But the lesson to my story is: if I didn't get out of the situation and was smart enough to save my life then I would probably get in trouble right there and then. Thankfully I wasn't too drunk to have my right judgement blurred out yet. :D

[GIA LOVES RON]

And I agree with NYTSjulie and kelly Shore. If I meet staright guys in a random straight club then I don't tell them my being a T. It's really non of their business or anyones for that matter. I am there to have fun not to "FUCK AROUND" or "SLEEP AROUND" .

[tgirlzoe]

When I get closer to where I want to be (esp if I have SRS), I kind of just want to move to a new town where nobody knows. I hate it when people talk about me behind my back, doubly when it's in regards to what's between my legs.

Historically, most of my friends have been female. Unlike the hag stereotype, most were Queer. Now that my friends include plenty of straight women, I get shit. Not from all, but enough. My sister always had lots of male friends, now I understand why. Ugh. I'm tired of the bullshit from GGs and I'm tired of the bullshit from TSes. That's why I'm trying to meet more guy friends (which gets me called a "man" again!) At least guys aren't afraid to be friends with me like they were in high school... Yay men and yay beer!

[EyeCumInPiece]

I started transition 13 years ago, lol wow it’s been a long time. Through the years I have come to the conclusion that genetic women are the ones who have the biggest issue with transsexuals. At least that has been my experience.

I went out last weekend for my sister’s birthday. It was myself, my sister, 6 other girls and 4 guys. We went out on the North Shore of Long Island, it’s a very vanilla yuppie crowd. I met a few guys and one of them I really liked. We hit it off and have been talking all week. He is exactly my type, perfect. He looks very GQ, 34, tall, Italian and Irish mix, great face and hot body. He has a great personality, comes from money and lives in a cute new 1.5 million dollar condo here on the Island. I am thinking husband material lol.

Now I don’t run around telling people my “T”. I feel that it is my business and unless I am about to go to bed with someone then I have no obligation to divulge it. People treat you differently when they know right off the bat rather than finding out down the road.

So I am all excited thinking I have met my future husband lol, now here is the catch. I know one of the bar tenders who works at the bar where I met him. I knew her when I was still living as boy. We worked together and actually used to be really good friends. We drifted apart and then I ran into her about 2 years ago after not seeing or speaking to her in 10 years, but that’s another story.

It turned out that my soon to be husband lol knew her also. One of his friends is a bartender at the bar also. Long story short, he went down there last night for a drink and then I got the 1AM phone call asking “is this true”.

I don’t know if I should verbally confront her, or I should wait for her when she is getting off work. I want to get all ghetto on her ass, throw my hair up, take my earrings off and rub Vaseline on my face lol.

I swear women feel threatened. They get all catty when you’re more attractive than them or you get more attention, they think “and she isn’t even a real girl”.

Thats fucked up. Straight scumbag shit. Shes twatblockin/cockblockin (whichever u prefer) to the full extent. Id say to respond depending on your status with the guy. Im the type who in a moment like this would confront the person only if they werent the type to call the police after i punched them in the face. What a bitch though. I hate shit like that. I hope she gets a very itchy yeast infection.

[mbf]

If you went to dinner with a transsexual you would look around the restaurant to see if anyone clocks her. You would think twice about bringing her home to meet your parents, then probably decide that its not a good idea to chance it. You might care or you may not, but you would still be treating her differently. Its natural human behavior, thats why its best to tell someone when the time is right.

Been there, done that.

And, as we speak so much about personal experience, it was usually the T-chick beeing worried about getting clocked or "talked about". I still hear them "Oh , did you hear anything? Do they talk behind my back?...."

I didn´t take any of them home to "mommy" though - bc I don´t do that with my GG dates either. Reason: when I was 16 I took my first two "serious" GG dates home and all I got was bitching from my over-protactive mother that none of them was "good enough for my son". I am done with "parentel approval".

And, shallow me, my dates were all passable.

And regarding the treating differently issue. Yes, I treat my dates differently, because any of them is a different person and I may have different goals. I will not invest as much (time, money, feelings) in a no strings attached relationship than in a possible LTR or marriage.

And after a ltr with a TS I rather not repeat that experience for quite some time ( can you spell *m.o.o.d.s.w.i.n.g.s.*? ). Although I have found the presence of and interaction with TS still appealing to me, and that´s why I still visit this board.

But, as I have observed with many issues I threw in my 2 cents on here, I seem to have differing views than the majority. *shrug*

[X]

Moodswings. Thats gotta be some pretty weird shit right there.

[NYTSJulie]

I started transition 13 years ago, lol wow it’s been a long time. Through the years I have come to the conclusion that genetic women are the ones who have the biggest issue with transsexuals. At least that has been my experience.

I went out last weekend for my sister’s birthday. It was myself, my sister, 6 other girls and 4 guys. We went out on the North Shore of Long Island, it’s a very vanilla yuppie crowd. I met a few guys and one of them I really liked. We hit it off and have been talking all week. He is exactly my type, perfect. He looks very GQ, 34, tall, Italian and Irish mix, great face and hot body. He has a great personality, comes from money and lives in a cute new 1.5 million dollar condo here on the Island. I am thinking husband material lol.

Now I don’t run around telling people my “T”. I feel that it is my business and unless I am about to go to bed with someone then I have no obligation to divulge it. People treat you differently when they know right off the bat rather than finding out down the road.

So I am all excited thinking I have met my future husband lol, now here is the catch. I know one of the bar tenders who works at the bar where I met him. I knew her when I was still living as boy. We worked together and actually used to be really good friends. We drifted apart and then I ran into her about 2 years ago after not seeing or speaking to her in 10 years, but that’s another story.

It turned out that my soon to be husband lol knew her also. One of his friends is a bartender at the bar also. Long story short, he went down there last night for a drink and then I got the 1AM phone call asking “is this true”.

I don’t know if I should verbally confront her, or I should wait for her when she is getting off work. I want to get all ghetto on her ass, throw my hair up, take my earrings off and rub Vaseline on my face lol.

I swear women feel threatened. They get all catty when you’re more attractive than them or you get more attention, they think “and she isn’t even a real girl”.

Thats fucked up. Straight scumbag shit. Shes twatblockin/cockblockin (whichever u prefer) to the full extent. Id say to respond depending on your status with the guy. Im the type who in a moment like this would confront the person only if they werent the type to call the police after i punched them in the face. What a bitch though. I hate shit like that. I hope she gets a very itchy yeast infection.

I will give u 50 bucks to hit her in the knees with a 2x4 lol.

[BADAZZBODY]

THOSES DAMN CUNTS...I GOT SOME ADVICE AND SOMETHING TO ADD TO THIS BUT ILL BE RIGHT BACK ..DAMN CLIENT

[macfan]

I started transition 13 years ago, lol wow it’s been a long time. Through the years I have come to the conclusion that genetic women are the ones who have the biggest issue with transsexuals. At least that has been my experience.

I went out last weekend for my sister’s birthday. It was myself, my sister, 6 other girls and 4 guys. We went out on the North Shore of Long Island, it’s a very vanilla yuppie crowd. I met a few guys and one of them I really liked. We hit it off and have been talking all week. He is exactly my type, perfect. He looks very GQ, 34, tall, Italian and Irish mix, great face and hot body. He has a great personality, comes from money and lives in a cute new 1.5 million dollar condo here on the Island. I am thinking husband material lol.

Now I don’t run around telling people my “T”. I feel that it is my business and unless I am about to go to bed with someone then I have no obligation to divulge it. People treat you differently when they know right off the bat rather than finding out down the road.

So I am all excited thinking I have met my future husband lol, now here is the catch. I know one of the bar tenders who works at the bar where I met him. I knew her when I was still living as boy. We worked together and actually used to be really good friends. We drifted apart and then I ran into her about 2 years ago after not seeing or speaking to her in 10 years, but that’s another story.

It turned out that my soon to be husband lol knew her also. One of his friends is a bartender at the bar also. Long story short, he went down there last night for a drink and then I got the 1AM phone call asking “is this true”.

I don’t know if I should verbally confront her, or I should wait for her when she is getting off work. I want to get all ghetto on her ass, throw my hair up, take my earrings off and rub Vaseline on my face lol.

I swear women feel threatened. They get all catty when you’re more attractive than them or you get more attention, they think “and she isn’t even a real girl”.

Sounds like she was clearly jealous of you having a chance with this guy in the first place. So when the opportunity presented itself for her to "blow up your spot" she in true woman form obliged. Pure jealousy plain and simple.

I am a totally GQ, Armani nice guy with a chillout, lounge personality but I find that when you are that women don't care for that nice guy stuff, way too easy for them, you still have to be a prick player and have broads lined up for you and it triggers something primitive in them that makes them want you then. :) No wonder guys can never figure women out. Its when they see you with another woman that it gets to them. Seems like that is what happened with that hater former coworker of yours, Julie. She may have seen you talking to him in the bar or he mentioned you to her or something along those lines and she showed her jealousy of you.

[Bing147]

I'd want to know. Just saying. Wouldn't necessarily change wether I'd go for the person, but I'd want to know.

I agree that if you're just at the club having fun, or you're just talking, no need to bring it up. But once it gets romantic in anyway, it really isn't fair to keep it from the guy. Because honestly, for 80% (at least) of 'straight' guys, your having a penis is going to be a complete deal breaker. Not for all. There will be exceptions. Most of the ones who are exceptions will want nothing to do with your 7 inches, lol, but they are out there. However for most, the idea of dating someone with the same genitals is not something they're into. Yes, for some, its downright gross. For many, having even kissed you would gross them out. You're beautiful but you aren't genetically female and even if you get SRS, that will always matter to the majority. To hide that from someone and waste both of your time is counter-productive.

[KiraHarden]

I will tell a guy on the second date if there is one. I do believe the guys should be informed, and be allowed to decide on their own within a cpl of dates, and then be givin the choice to pursue a relationship vs investing months of their time being kept in the dark, about our past.

Yes, we deserve a fair shake, but so do the men.

[Bing147]

Seems fair, assuming you don't let it go too far on the first date, lol. As a guy, I'd personally rather know on the first... but obviously its easier to wait a bit longer.

[KiraHarden]

Seems fair, assuming you don't let it go too far on the first date, lol. As a guy, I'd personally rather know on the first... but obviously its easier to wait a bit longer.
The only time it goes to far on the first date, is if the guys a client and paying.

[KiraHarden]

Seems fair, assuming you don't let it go too far on the first date, lol. As a guy, I'd personally rather know on the first... but obviously its easier to wait a bit longer.
I can Understand that but if hes a creep or you dont click, why tell guy you will never see again

[Odelay]

I'd want to know. Just saying. Wouldn't necessarily change wether I'd go for the person, but I'd want to know.

I agree that if you're just at the club having fun, or you're just talking, no need to bring it up. But once it gets romantic in anyway, it really isn't fair to keep it from the guy. Because honestly, for 80% (at least) of 'straight' guys, your having a penis is going to be a complete deal breaker. Not for all. There will be exceptions. Most of the ones who are exceptions will want nothing to do with your 7 inches, lol, but they are out there. However for most, the idea of dating someone with the same genitals is not something they're into. Yes, for some, its downright gross. For many, having even kissed you would gross them out. You're beautiful but you aren't genetically female and even if you get SRS, that will always matter to the majority. To hide that from someone and waste both of your time is counter-productive.

This would argue for not telling the guy until far later into the relationship. If 80% of guys will get turned off automatically, then she won't want to tell guys right off the bat. Why would she want to endure negative reactions from 80% of the guys she dates? Most of those 80% can be weeded out by the girl on the 1st date, 2nd date, etc., until she is left with a guy who she knows is pretty liberal, not a homophobe, accepting of all types of people, and not some Romeo looking for a one night stand.

By that point there's probably only a 5% chance of a negative reaction.

[ARMANIXXX]

I get so frustrated when every trick comes out from under their rock to "tell it how it is". Myself and other girls have lived it. We know what works and what doesn't. We know how it works because we have been in all kinds of situations many times over. Its like me trying to tell a black lady how to be black.


If you haven't walked the walk, you shouldn't talk the talk. :smh

Sorry guys the information and experience that you have picked up
from TS porn sites, and escort experiences, do not qualify you as
experts or qualified to make informed comments.

For us, as women this is our life 24/7/365.

For many of you, you haven't even met a transwoman, let alone been
in a relationship with one.

And on the SRS tip, I distinctly recall that only a handful of you have
stated that you have been with a post op, so again I will assert that
you do not know wherof you speak.

Finally, Julie, by no means would I get violent with the woman in question,
but I would explain to her in no uncertain terms why what she did wasn't
cool, and to keep my name and my business out of her mouth.

__________________________________________________ ___________________



Hi Peggygee,

I understand what you're saying here, and I agree, to at least some extent.

But where I disagree, are on the basic principles of right and wrong, honesty and dishonesty, truth and lies.

I consider myself a reasonable thinker, with a reasonable sense of right and wrong, and in this case, dealing in the terms of what were given here, Julie's "mode of operation" (Modus operandi), is dishonest at best.

I'm not saying she doesn't have her own personal reasons or rationale for doing "her thing" this way, and I'm not saying that it works or doesn't work for her most of the time or otherwise, but what I am saying is it clearly didn't work this time, and her way may have cost her THE TIME.






But, of course,

What do silly tricks know.

[SarahG]

This would argue for not telling the guy until far later into the relationship. If 80% of guys will get turned off automatically, then she won't want to tell guys right off the bat. Why would she want to endure negative reactions from 80% of the guys she dates? Most of those 80% can be weeded out by the girl on the 1st date, 2nd date, etc., until she is left with a guy who she knows is pretty liberal, not a homophobe, accepting of all types of people, and not some Romeo looking for a one night stand.

By that point there's probably only a 5% chance of a negative reaction.

That's my point exactly. The guys that get "weeded out" for whatever reason (bad personality, nothing in common, whatever) aren't being wronged by not being told because- it wouldn't have worked even IF they were cool with it.

[NYTSJulie]

I get so frustrated when every trick comes out from under their rock to "tell it how it is". Myself and other girls have lived it. We know what works and what doesn't. We know how it works because we have been in all kinds of situations many times over. Its like me trying to tell a black lady how to be black.


If you haven't walked the walk, you shouldn't talk the talk. :smh

Sorry guys the information and experience that you have picked up
from TS porn sites, and escort experiences, do not qualify you as
experts or qualified to make informed comments.

For us, as women this is our life 24/7/365.

For many of you, you haven't even met a transwoman, let alone been
in a relationship with one.

And on the SRS tip, I distinctly recall that only a handful of you have
stated that you have been with a post op, so again I will assert that
you do not know wherof you speak.

Finally, Julie, by no means would I get violent with the woman in question,
but I would explain to her in no uncertain terms why what she did wasn't
cool, and to keep my name and my business out of her mouth.

After sleeping on it I decided that I am not going to beat the piss out of her, but I do feel that i MUST say something. The question is should I call her, or go into the bar and speak with her there, or wait outside for when she gets off work. I feel I need to be effective because I frequent this place often and I do not need her telling anyone else.

[irishgirl]

After sleeping on it I decided that I am not going to beat the piss out of her, but I do feel that i MUST say something. The question is should I call her, or go into the bar and speak with her there, or wait outside for when she gets off work. I feel I need to be effective because I frequent this place often and I do not need her telling anyone else.

Good luck, I've never been in this situation, but I easily could be. Please keep the board updated.

Also something to keep in mind is that she may not have done it maliciously? People can be real ignorant - if you've continued to be an acquaintance of hers for a few years since telling her and this is the first issue, then it might not be a huge deal?

[NYTSJulie]

UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE............I just got a text form the guy saying........."sorry I haven't called I wasn't blowing you off I have been sick with strep-throat". I will wait 1 hour then text him back saying "hope you feel better". I will wait the hour so he don't think he is too important lol. I will also just text him back "I hope you feel better". I have learned you cant seem over anxious, if you act less interested they want you more.

[CaliGuy]

Think GG have no issue with transexuals, they do not aspire to be a TS whereas transexuals have a desire to be a GG. Who has the biggest issue?

[NYTSJulie]

Think GG have no issue with transexuals, they do not aspire to be a TS whereas transexuals have a desire to be a GG. Who has the biggest issue?

Your so dumb, they have issue if we look better then them and get more attention. I know they dont aspire to be ts, your a fool.

[Azanti]

It does suck what happenend and I understand your anger, but at the end of the day if this guy wasn't cool about who you are, then he isn't really a long term prospect.

It prehaps would have been nice if you had more a chance to get to know each other as a person, then prehaps that would have made for a different outcome.

Plenty more fish in the sea, all you have to do is swing your bait around. :peanutbutter

[CaliGuy]

Truth hurt Julie? lol

[LTR_Seeker]

Women are lot of the times there worse enemies when guys online its real shame

[CaliGuy]

The only time it is a tie is a good looking TS vs an average to less than average GG. A good looking GG is no competition to any TS. Sorry Julie, that is the way it is as much as you might hate to admit it. You always have your dreams to think otherwise. lol

[MrsKellyPierce]

The only time it is a tie is a good looking TS vs an average to less than average GG. A good looking GG is no competition to any TS. Sorry Julie, that is the way it is as much as you might hate to admit it. You always have your dreams to think otherwise. lol You're so dumb and offensive. Why did you even sign up?

[tgirlzoe]

Actually, after thinking about it, my roommate only really started bashing on me when she realized I liked her boyfriend and kept trying to mess with his head. Haha, I even told her one time this summer that if they ever break up, he's fair-game. She was all, "You can't go after your friends' ex-boyfriend!" I totally would though. I guess this town has twisted me into driving myself crazy over a younger passive dirty hippie boy.

She has been trying to curb the whole thing ~ warning him about extraneous touching and hanging out too much. I liked it better when it had the air of a triad. Now they're engaged after only a year together (he's 21, she's 20) but I'll bet dollars to donuts they'll break up before they go through with it.

Anyway, not to go into too much detail but I think she attacks me when she feels threatened. She also feels awkward about the fact that he likes boys (bi-curious, never even kissed a guy, this is the first girl he's had sex with). He swears he likes pussy ~ soft and warm, intricate and the gateway to the world. His dad warned him to not marry the first girl that comes along, but I think he needs to experience being with a man before he gets married.

I think that guys who date tgirls have thought about it before, even if they assume a girl is a GG. My first straight BB boyfriend admitted some curiosity about penises, even though he said he'd never touch a man (he didn't particularly have any male friends either, only females). I got to teach him and that was nice but he mainly was just into anal (which he had done with GGs before).

Since he texted you, he's probably been rolling it around in his head for the past few days (whether he actually had strep or not). My guess is that he's intrigued. If he doesn't chicken out, I think you're in.

As for telling, one young, post-op girl told me that she didn't break the news until after they started sleeping together. She said this way he isn't freaked about the sexual aspect. She also had introduced him to a friend who was earlier in her transition and he had reacted well to her. She suggested this plan.

Of course you have to tell at some point (although there are stories about women in years past never revealing their secret to their husbands) but I'd be less nervous if I was post-op. I think phobic guys are more freaked out that a girl has a penis than just if she used to. Then the sterile issue is a big problem.

[Azanti]

Zoe - putting up with people shitting on you is one thing,

Shitting on your own doorstep, thats something else entirely

[BrendaQG]

@calieguy

Go jump off a bridge asshole.

@Kelly

As a wise ol TS told me "fish" are the enemy. She said more words but that says it all. You are a threat to them now.

@julie

To hell with him. He will just be loosing out on knowing you.

[peggygee]

As for telling, one young, post-op girl told me that she didn't break the news until after they started sleeping together. She said this way he isn't freaked about the sexual aspect. She also had introduced him to a friend who was earlier in her transition and he had reacted well to her. She suggested this plan.

Of course you have to tell at some point (although there are stories about women in years past never revealing their secret to their husbands) but I'd be less nervous if I was post-op. I think phobic guys are more freaked out that a girl has a penis than just if she used to. Then the sterile issue is a big problem.

I consider myself a very honest and forthright person, but if I were
just going to have a casual encounter with someone I might not tell
them that I once upon a time had a penis.

Of course if they were relationship material I would share my 'herstory'

Fortunately I don't have alot of casual sex, so I'm not faced with that
conundrum often.

But Zoe you're right guys are more concerned with what you're working
with now, rather than what you used to have.

I've had more than a few tell me that if I still had a penis, it would be a
deal breaker.

But a very interesting aside is that if you mention to men in the
transcommunity, that you are a transwoman, you'd better be very
clear to them that you don't have a dick.

Or else you get treated like a red headed step child. :?

[Odelay]

UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE............I just got a text form the guy saying........."sorry I haven't called I wasn't blowing you off I have been sick with strep-throat". I will wait 1 hour then text him back saying "hope you feel better". I will wait the hour so he don't think he is too important lol. I will also just text him back "I hope you feel better". I have learned you cant seem over anxious, if you act less interested they want you more.

LOL... dating is so much fun.

[tgirlzoe]

Zoe - putting up with people shitting on you is one thing,

Shitting on your own doorstep, thats something else entirely

It gets far more complicated than I could, or feel the need to, go into on here. As I alluded to, she and I have wound up in bed together a couple times. Her boyfriend wasn't jealous, he thought it was hot. :)

[PatrickFromNYC]

UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE............I just got a text form the guy saying........."sorry I haven't called I wasn't blowing you off I have been sick with strep-throat". I will wait 1 hour then text him back saying "hope you feel better". I will wait the hour so he don't think he is too important lol. I will also just text him back "I hope you feel better". I have learned you cant seem over anxious, if you act less interested they want you more.


I am not looking to be a wiseguy or be disrepectful to you Julie but I'm confused ? Since he now knows that you are T and you two obviously have not had the time to develop an emotional attachment or even have a formal date, doesn't that make him just another "chaser" or at least simular to some of the civil guys on this forum who happen like tgirls ??

I can understand how a TGirl is flattered by a quality STR8 guy seeing you as a "woman" and showing interest. But when he finds out you are T within a matter of days and is still interested, what does that make him???

I'm sure quite of few men on this board (including myself) first became aware of TGirls in a simular way as your Long Island guy.

I am not posting this to try to change your mind or the other girls minds on what and who you find attractive. That is none of my business. I am just curious about how you girls qualify guys.

With due respect, best of luck with everything Julie.

[KiraHarden]

UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE............I just got a text form the guy saying........."sorry I haven't called I wasn't blowing you off I have been sick with strep-throat". I will wait 1 hour then text him back saying "hope you feel better". I will wait the hour so he don't think he is too important lol. I will also just text him back "I hope you feel better". I have learned you cant seem over anxious, if you act less interested they want you more.
Now I'm curious 8)

[peggygee]

UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE............I just got a text form the guy saying........."sorry I haven't called I wasn't blowing you off I have been sick with strep-throat". I will wait 1 hour then text him back saying "hope you feel better". I will wait the hour so he don't think he is too important lol. I will also just text him back "I hope you feel better". I have learned you cant seem over anxious, if you act less interested they want you more.


I am not looking to be a wiseguy or be disrepectful to you Julie but I'm confused ? Since he now knows that you are T and you two obviously have not had the time to develop an emotional attachment or even have a formal date, doesn't that make him just another "chaser"??

I can understand how a TGirl is flattered by a quality STR8 guy seeing you as a "woman" and showing interest. But when he finds out you are T within a matter of days and is still interested, what does that make him???

I'm sure quite of few men on this board (including myself) first became aware of TGirls in a simular way as your Long Island guy.

I am not posting this to try to change your mind or the other girls minds on what and who you find attractive. That is none of my business. I am just curious about how you girls qualify guys.

With due respect, best of luck with everything Julie.

Julie of course can of course give her take on what she feels a chaser is.

But my definitioni is a guy who chases the dick and the woman that
it is atached to is irrelevant.

They basically go from dick to dick, have no intentions whatsoever of
being in a relationship with the woman, and will say and do anything
that they have to, to get the dick.

They are pretty much the same as a player, who is on a constant mission
to get pussy, bottom line they both see the women as objects to get their
rocks off, and rarely take the women's emotions into consideration.

[mbf]

UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE............I just got a text form the guy saying........."sorry I haven't called I wasn't blowing you off I have been sick with strep-throat". I will wait 1 hour then text him back saying "hope you feel better". I will wait the hour so he don't think he is too important lol. I will also just text him back "I hope you feel better". I have learned you cant seem over anxious, if you act less interested they want you more.


I am not looking to be a wiseguy or be disrepectful to you Julie but I'm confused ? Since he now knows that you are T and you two obviously have not had the time to develop an emotional attachment or even have a formal date, doesn't that make him just another "chaser"??

I can understand how a TGirl is flattered by a quality STR8 guy seeing you as a "woman" and showing interest. But when he finds out you are T within a matter of days and is still interested, what does that make him???

I'm sure quite of few men on this board (including myself) first became aware of TGirls in a simular way as your Long Island guy.

I am not posting this to try to change your mind or the other girls minds on what and who you find attractive. That is none of my business. I am just curious about how you girls qualify guys.

With due respect, best of luck with everything Julie.

Julie of course can of course give her take on what she feels a chaser is.

But my definitioni is a guy who chases the dick and the woman that
it is atached to is irrelevant.

They basically go from dick to dick, have no intentions whatsoever of
being in a relationship with the woman, and will say and do anything
that they have to, to get the dick.

They are pretty much the same as a player, who is on a constant mission
to get pussy, bottom line they both see the women as objects to get their
rocks off, and rarely take the women's emotions into consideration.

once again, I am puzzles by the "dick-centrics" in definitions. Because, as I read it, it would be ok for a guy to jump from tranny-ass to tranny-ass, as long as he is not into the dick.

You can be a "chaser" as a top as well. Not that it matters much because in the last paragraph you are using a more general definition.

On another sidenote: If a "straight" guy is still interested in meeting a T-Lady after she revealed her "T", he is at least "curious", simply due to the fact that in the western hemisphere, in densly populated areas, you will hardly find a guy who is NOT aware of the existance of TS.

[peggygee]

UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE............I just got a text form the guy saying........."sorry I haven't called I wasn't blowing you off I have been sick with strep-throat". I will wait 1 hour then text him back saying "hope you feel better". I will wait the hour so he don't think he is too important lol. I will also just text him back "I hope you feel better". I have learned you cant seem over anxious, if you act less interested they want you more.


I am not looking to be a wiseguy or be disrepectful to you Julie but I'm confused ? Since he now knows that you are T and you two obviously have not had the time to develop an emotional attachment or even have a formal date, doesn't that make him just another "chaser"??

I can understand how a TGirl is flattered by a quality STR8 guy seeing you as a "woman" and showing interest. But when he finds out you are T within a matter of days and is still interested, what does that make him???

I'm sure quite of few men on this board (including myself) first became aware of TGirls in a simular way as your Long Island guy.

I am not posting this to try to change your mind or the other girls minds on what and who you find attractive. That is none of my business. I am just curious about how you girls qualify guys.

With due respect, best of luck with everything Julie.

Julie of course can of course give her take on what she feels a chaser is.

But my definitioni is a guy who chases the dick and the woman that
it is atached to is irrelevant.

They basically go from dick to dick, have no intentions whatsoever of
being in a relationship with the woman, and will say and do anything
that they have to, to get the dick.

They are pretty much the same as a player, who is on a constant mission
to get pussy, bottom line they both see the women as objects to get their
rocks off, and rarely take the women's emotions into consideration.

once again, I am puzzles by the "dick-centrics" in definitions. Because, as I read it, it would be ok for a guy to jump from tranny-ass to tranny-ass, as long as he is not into the dick.

You can be a "chaser" as a top as well. Not that it matters much because in the last paragraph you are using a more general definition.

On another sidenote: If a "straight" guy is still interested in meeting a T-Lady after she revealed her "T", he is at least "curious", simply due to the fact that in the western hemisphere, in densly populated areas, you will hardly find a guy who is NOT aware of the existance of TS.

Interesting distinction.

Though I think more women are put off by the cock bandit than the ass
bandit.

However I don't think that most women, trans or natal, want to be sought
after only for their pussy or their ass.

[yodajazz]

...

However I don't think that most women, trans or natal, want to be sought
after only for their pussy or their ass.

For a man to interested in a woman beyond sex is based on so many things besides their sexual organs. Each man has his own unqiue view. But the compatibility issue has to do with being interested in what the other person is about, how they fit into their lifestlye.

For example I care a lot about the global political scene. If I met a woman to date she would at least have to be interested enough to listen to my views. If she actually knows something about current events or history, then that's a plus.

So basically what is a woman bringing to the table besides her physical self? Does she care enough about him to care about what he cares about. For example, he might spend a lot of time helping his family out. If the woman is jealous of that time, the relationship will not work out.

[NYTSJulie]

UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE............I just got a text form the guy saying........."sorry I haven't called I wasn't blowing you off I have been sick with strep-throat". I will wait 1 hour then text him back saying "hope you feel better". I will wait the hour so he don't think he is too important lol. I will also just text him back "I hope you feel better". I have learned you cant seem over anxious, if you act less interested they want you more.


I am not looking to be a wiseguy or be disrepectful to you Julie but I'm confused ? Since he now knows that you are T and you two obviously have not had the time to develop an emotional attachment or even have a formal date, doesn't that make him just another "chaser" or at least simular to some of the civil guys on this forum who happen like tgirls ??

I can understand how a TGirl is flattered by a quality STR8 guy seeing you as a "woman" and showing interest. But when he finds out you are T within a matter of days and is still interested, what does that make him???

I'm sure quite of few men on this board (including myself) first became aware of TGirls in a simular way as your Long Island guy.

I am not posting this to try to change your mind or the other girls minds on what and who you find attractive. That is none of my business. I am just curious about how you girls qualify guys.

With due respect, best of luck with everything Julie.

I was away for night and just got back. I went to spend the night with my friend that lives in Westchester and to see a dear friend in Harlem.

Well I did not hear from him today so who knows if he is still interested? The last thing he said is that he still wants to go out and he will call me when he is felling better.

He isn't a chaser, I been around the block more then once and can spot the game a mile away. I play the game back and take the chasers cash and walk away lol. He hasn't been with a tranny before, I wont date men in my personal life that have been with a tranny.

To answer your question on why he is still interested. He is still interested because to him I am still the hot girl that was in the bar that he and a bunch of other guys were trying to talk to. Its all based on appearances at this point.

[NYTSJulie]

UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE............I just got a text form the guy saying........."sorry I haven't called I wasn't blowing you off I have been sick with strep-throat". I will wait 1 hour then text him back saying "hope you feel better". I will wait the hour so he don't think he is too important lol. I will also just text him back "I hope you feel better". I have learned you cant seem over anxious, if you act less interested they want you more.


I am not looking to be a wiseguy or be disrepectful to you Julie but I'm confused ? Since he now knows that you are T and you two obviously have not had the time to develop an emotional attachment or even have a formal date, doesn't that make him just another "chaser"??

I can understand how a TGirl is flattered by a quality STR8 guy seeing you as a "woman" and showing interest. But when he finds out you are T within a matter of days and is still interested, what does that make him???

I'm sure quite of few men on this board (including myself) first became aware of TGirls in a simular way as your Long Island guy.

I am not posting this to try to change your mind or the other girls minds on what and who you find attractive. That is none of my business. I am just curious about how you girls qualify guys.

With due respect, best of luck with everything Julie.

Julie of course can of course give her take on what she feels a chaser is.

But my definitioni is a guy who chases the dick and the woman that
it is atached to is irrelevant.

They basically go from dick to dick, have no intentions whatsoever of
being in a relationship with the woman, and will say and do anything
that they have to, to get the dick.

They are pretty much the same as a player, who is on a constant mission
to get pussy, bottom line they both see the women as objects to get their
rocks off, and rarely take the women's emotions into consideration.

co sign, chasers are for cash not husbands lol

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

I don’t know if I should verbally confront her, or I should wait for her when she is getting off work. I want to get all ghetto on her ass, throw my hair up, take my earrings off and rub Vaseline on my face lol.

I swear women feel threatened. They get all catty when you’re more attractive than them or you get more attention, they think “and she isn’t even a real girl”.

You best option is just to let it go NYTSJulie. Just look at this incident as a true test whether this guy is really into you or not. And if he is, he would be man enough to take your being T like a real man that he is! Being a T for the most part IMO shouldn't be the end of things. I know this because, awhile back when I worked for Lerner's New York as a store manager..a co-worker whom I told about my being T clocked me to this cute and hot mall security guy who drops by at our store every time he see's me. One time, On my day off he went there and asked for me. This fat bitch co-worker of mine said something like "You know she isn't really a ____". The guys response to her was "It doesn't matter"! LOL So when I returned from my day off all my staffs were telling me how he shut her up! :lol:

I have another clocking incident back when I used to work at the Radisson giftshop when this filipina (yes filipina GG) clocked me to one of the chefs. As if I really wanted this chef in the first place. Anyways, we went out for drinks one night and he took me home (nothing happened). I didn't know this filipina gg's got the HOTS for him so she clocked me while they were talking back in the kitchen where they work together. Though the guy still went out with me after that clocking incident! :P And I did it just to further PISS her off!! LOL

;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[APD2]

He hasn't been with a tranny before, I wont date men in my personal life that have been with a tranny.



????

You don't do second dates then? :D

[GIA LOVES RON]

I don’t know if I should verbally confront her, or I should wait for her when she is getting off work. I want to get all ghetto on her ass, throw my hair up, take my earrings off and rub Vaseline on my face lol.

I swear women feel threatened. They get all catty when you’re more attractive than them or you get more attention, they think “and she isn’t even a real girl”.

You best option is just to let it go NYTSJulie. Just look at this incident as a true test whether this guy is really into you or not. And if he is, he would be man enough to take your being T like a real man that he is! Being a T for the most part IMO shouldn't be the end of things. I know this because, awhile back when I worked for Lerner's New York as a store manager..a co-worker whom I told about my being T clocked me to this cute and hot mall security guy who drops by at our store every time he see's me. One time, On my day off he went there and asked for me. This fat bitch co-worker of mine said something like "You know she isn't really a ____". The guys response to her was "It doesn't matter"! LOL So when I returned from my day off all my staffs were telling me how he shut her up! :lol:

I have another clocking incident back when I used to work at the Radisson giftshop when this filipina (yes filipina GG) clocked me to one of the chefs. As if I really wanted this chef in the first place. Anyways, we went out for drinks one night and he took me home (nothing happened). I didn't know this filipina gg's got the HOTS for him so she clocked me while they were talking back in the kitchen where they work together. Though the guy still went out with me after that clocking incident! :P And I did it just to further PISS her off!! LOL

;)

~Kisses.

HTG

That is so funny hara! I've encountered that too with filipina gg's. When a guy they like starts hitting on me then they just lay it all out there that i'm a tranny. In my mind, I think it's so funny that they get insecured with us girls when in fact they are the ones who we're born the right way and they are in a much better life than we do not to worry about shit. What the fuck are they complaining about??? We're the ones that are having a hard time. But most of my gg friends, I always tell them first , "BITCH, you better be not talking behind my back or telling my past bitch, it's none of your business because if I know later on then I will beat your ass" just to scare the shit out of them! HAHAH! Put them into place!

[nohj68]

A woman being a spiteful bitch???? Shocking! And you have a potential boyfriend?* Upsetting.



*I didn't read the whole thread through

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

That is so funny hara! I've encountered that too with filipina gg's. When a guy they like starts hitting on me then they just lay it all out there that i'm a tranny. In my mind, I think it's so funny that they get insecured with us girls when in fact they are the ones who we're born the right way and they are in a much better life than we do not to worry about shit. What the fuck are they complaining about??? We're the ones that are having a hard time. But most of my gg friends, I always tell them first , "BITCH, you better be not talking behind my back or telling my past bitch, it's none of your business because if I know later on then I will beat your ass" just to scare the shit out of them! HAHAH! Put them into place!

Girl, tell me about it! Most (not all) filipina GG's are CUNTS! :evil:

They deserve to get NO DICK as far as I'm concern! LOL

~Kisses.

HTG

[TrueBeauty TS]

Anywhere I go I just assume that everyone can clock my T. As long as they are nice, or at least civil to me, then I don't worry about anything else.

If a guy hits on me and can't tell I'm a T, that's HIS fault, not mine! LOL


(Of course, I don't exactly look like Julie or Kelly or Hara or.....) :wink:




.

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Yes, but you're more CUNT/FISH looking TBTS! ;)

How can we compete to that?!? LOL ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[TrueBeauty TS]

Yes, but you're more CUNT/FISH looking TBTS! ;)

How can we compete to that?!? LOL ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

Oh please, girl. There ain't enough gold in Fort Knox to pay for all the work I'd need to get up there with you girls on this board!


But hey, it is what it is.

:wink:




.

[Str8mlover4TS]

go to 4 on 110 its the new hot spot.

Nice place. Been there several times. :wink: Hope to run into you again sometime.

kiss kiss and feel better.

[Paladin]

Who thinks that T girls should tell guys right away?

If you're still sporting a cock and balls, yes.

[Fox]

Who thinks that T girls should tell guys right away?

I don't think it's necessary. I would recommend saying so after a second or third date if it gets that far, but obviously it's up to you girls how you want to handle it. If I had... HIV, for example, I think I'd let her know at about that point, that way she can decide if she wanted to continue to see me or not without too many emotions clouding her thoughts.

[Paladin]

Sexual orientation is not the attraction to a pussy or a cock. People are not attracted to genital. Example I like cock but I dont want to be with a tranny. I would be with a FTM be4 a tranny. I am attracted to a man, and someone who has the gender roles of a man.

__________________________________________________ _________________



Hey Julie,

I respect you as a person,

but it seems now that in your attempt at fooling others,


You've now managed to fool yourself.



*shrug*





Good luck, I suppose.

Oh suck my dick, but give me 300 bucks first....silly trick

There you go - finally setting the record straight

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Who thinks that T girls should tell guys right away?

To me it all depends on the situation. First, if it was only to quench a thirst for a quickie..no. It's not like you'll bend over so he could fuck you. LOL Second, If he was bf material then yes. You should tell him after awhile of getting to know each other. It will be his test. If he pass or fail depends on how he would handle the whole situation. And if he likes you that much he will go for it! ;)

Then again, I myself am not doing a good job at it rightnow. I sometimes mistake guys who doesn't know to know and then the guys that know to don't know I'm a T! LOL It's a confusing world I know! So when some guy finds out I'm a T in the midst of *things.. I feel terrible! Though none ever got up and left thankgoddness. :lol: SCORE!! ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[Mylon]

Men look at their friend's girl and think,
"I want a girl like her."

Women look at their friend's man and think,
"I want him."

It's just how women think, unfortunately.

[justatransgirl]

I'm sorry I got in on this late and didn't read all 19 pages so far, but I just wanted to say to Kelly and Julie that I feel for both of you. That's really low in both cases.

I have two GG GF's. One was my very first little GF in Jr High school believe it or not - and she's actually a cop in another state now. The other I've known since the 10th grade. They were the first and second people to know I was trans. We been best friends longer than many of you here have been alive. I can't imagine either one ever doing that to me, I'd be devastated.

Most of the other GG women I know are escorts, or else lesbians who are hot for Jessica, or service workers like my housekeeper, hair dresser, etc.

But the one thing I've noticed with all women, and perhaps it's just me, but GG's still relate to me as a guy once they know I'm trans. It's like they find it "cool" or something, to hang out with a trans girl, but they fall right into the female submissive role and I find myself usually forced into the domme position. Not just in sex, but just in general. Like I'm supposed to hold the door open for them and pay for dinner or something.

But I haven't experienced anyone acting vindictive like that (yet). Though perhaps it's because I'm not competing with them for suitors.

I've run into a few butch lesbians as I've mentioned before who have penis envy and can get really nasty. But they weren't people I knew personally.

Anyway ladies - just slap the bitch and be on your way.

Hugs,
TS Jamie :-)

[blackrob]

Me and another t-girl actually just went to a straight club in Boston the other week and I have to say I had lots of fun. But when I go to these places, I make sure that i'm very careful with these kind of situations. There we're a few guys that tried to buy us drinks, wanted to dance with us but I just said no. I was there to have fun for myself and my friend. So we we're dancing and two guys came on to us and started grinding and almost touching to a point where they are actually going to touch my private part.

I SAID "OH HELL NO" , I am not gonna be stupid and act that I have a pussy down there cause I don't (not yet anyway) :lol: So I immediately told my tgirl friend that i'm gonna make an excuse so we can get the hell out of there. I feel so much better when I left and we went down to the bar area and the guys that we're hitting on us started going towards me, and said "what ethnicity are you? and can I ask your number?" and I just said no, I have a bf which is true in my case cause I actually do. And my main purpose in going to that bar is to have fun....a CLEAN FUN!

But the lesson to my story is: if I didn't get out of the situation and was smart enough to save my life then I would probably get in trouble right there and then. Thankfully I wasn't too drunk to have my right judgement blurred out yet. :D

It's a trip when I read stories like this. I have to alway wonder if the guys know what they're doing when they just start grabbing on a woman and why they dont get slapped?

[tghtpussybitch]

I second that woman are like that, is about competition same with some guys,, I know lots of gg and been around girls who dont know about my past and I seen them talking bout other girls, putting other girls on blasst ,,

I know how mean it is and we all been there but is facts of life besides how you think tranny chasers came to be.

The female species since they do not resort to physical fighting well not as the first defense mechanism like men. They are catty and start spreading rumors.







I swear women feel threatened. They get all catty when you’re more attractive than them or you get more attention...

It sounds like women are like that with any other women (T's or not). That's what all my female friends say.

[Celeste]

I think Transexuals have the biggest issue with Transexuals!

In my experience with gg's, I dont believe they have a big issue with us. I think we have an issue with ourselves. There is more hate amongst eachother, then anyone else. I have also found with gg's, that you give respect, to get respect. And If you carry yourself like a lady, there is less likely going to be a problem.

Yes, gg's do view us as, men trying to hard, to be women/gay. And may find humor in it. But c'mon now girls... how many ts's actually carry themselves like women?! Most are so over animated, flamboyant, over the top, its funny even to me. From the way we walk, to the way we talk, what we talk about, how we say it, hand movements, head movements, we stand out! Alot of trannies want to be noticed 24/7, Our main goal is to be sexually attractive to men 24/7, most of our lives... revolve around sex, and are very aggresive... thats not how women are. I dont believe they are threatened by us, but when we are out there "queening out", parading ourselves around, flaunting it in their face, they are bound to get upset.

I mean imagine yourself a gg, growing up, being taught things, going through things, living life... whats normal... male and female. Never in life ever being exposed to gay/tranny life, then BAM! :shock: You meet one or see one, it would be weird! Dont you think? Comical? a Joke? Maybe even gross, wrong, unethical, a sin... Wouldnt be able to understand or would even want to.

Julie: she may have felt she was being a friend to the guy, and not catty towards you. Now maybe she did you a favor... What if you had waited even longer to tell him, and he had a bad reaction to it, because he felt, you had strung him along? You never know! I know its hard for us, and whos to say whats right and whats wrong, but just take it as a lesson learned. But yeah I wouldnt go anywhere, him or her frequent, cause you know... words gonna spread :cry:

[Solitary Brother]

I think Transexuals have the biggest issue with Transexuals!

In my experience with gg's, I dont believe they have a big issue with us. I think we have an issue with ourselves. There is more hate amongst eachother, then anyone else. I have also found with gg's, that you give respect, to get respect. And If you carry yourself like a lady, there is less likely going to be a problem.

Yes, gg's do view us as, men trying to hard, to be women/gay. And may find humor in it. But c'mon now girls... how many ts's actually carry themselves like women?! Most are so over animated, flamboyant, over the top, its funny even to me. From the way we walk, to the way we talk, what we talk about, how we say it, hand movements, head movements, we stand out! Alot of trannies want to be noticed 24/7, Our main goal is to be sexually attractive to men 24/7, most of our lives... revolve around sex, and are very aggresive... thats not how women are. I dont believe they are threatened by us, but when we are out there "queening out", parading ourselves around, flaunting it in their face, they are bound to get upset.

I mean imagine yourself a gg, growing up, being taught things, going through things, living life... whats normal... male and female. Never in life ever being exposed to gay/tranny life, then BAM! :shock: You meet one or see one, it would be weird! Dont you think? Comical? a Joke? Maybe even gross, wrong, unethical, a sin... Wouldnt be able to understand or would even want to.

Julie: she may have felt she was being a friend to the guy, and not catty towards you. Now maybe she did you a favor... What if you had waited even longer to tell him, and he had a bad reaction to it, because he felt, you had strung him along? You never know! I know its hard for us, and whos to say whats right and whats wrong, but just take it as a lesson learned. But yeah I wouldnt go anywhere, him or her frequent, cause you know... words gonna spread :cry:


Let me weigh in WAY late on this issue.
First of all Celeste.
I think your way naive about GGs true feelings towards TS women like you.
I think for the most part GG's are very fake with their friendship towards transexuals ESPECIALLY if the transexual is attractive.
I have personally seen GG's go around the club and OUT transexuals to EVERY guy in the club.
Its true about transexuals being very competitive with each other but as time goes on MORE AND MORE straight guys will be getting with transexuals....TRUST ME ON THAT POINT.
I use to be in the military and a lot of military guys get with trannys on the DL.
You all think "Oh he doesnt know my T"....BULLSHIT!
A lot of them do.
As for trannys being "honest" and telling a guy up front....i dont believe this is practical.
The real world doesnt work this way.
If a guy is attracted to you its not because he sees your penis dangling there...He sees the woman that you are.
Most guys arent "honest" about stuff either....they arent "up front" about a lot of stuff.
Transexuals should stop being so evil and nasty and too faced towards each other.
its hard i know because society is always telling you that your nothing.
Many trannys use the insults and nastiness they have experience by the straight world to insult each other.
You all have to love each other....dont look to some fucking GG for approval or acceptance or some false sense of "sisterhood".

[TsVanessa69]

By the way, if you think that SRS will release you from the responsability of being honest or being who you are - That is a HUUUUUUGE mistake. You will still need to be honest with yourself and others to acheave true happiness. That goes for the tranny chasers as well. Releasing yourself from what holds you from completing your lessons in life is a HUUUUGE mistake.

Love is about honesty - It starts with yourself first!

Don't be delusional thinking SRS will change things. MOST men will turn you down just out of fear of being "OUTED " even if you do have a pussy. You were still born a man and that will always be part of who you are. A relationship is based on honesty first. That is why alot of people are unhappy in their current relationships, they forget what is the fundemental basis of a healthy living.

There is a big difference between Living and just SurvivingAMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! which is why I'm keeping my cock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Alyssa87]

I guess I’m really really lucky.
I haven’t had any problems with any gender.

But I’m really non-confrontational in general. I’m really non-chalant and sometimes oblivious to ignorant or intolerant people.

I will say that gay guys are probably a little annoying. The guys on my campus flock around me like I’m mother goose. And it bothers me. They act as if I am(underneath it all) truly one of them. They get real queenly, and it makes me uncomfortable if other people are around. But even that, I doubt comes from a malicious place…

I’ve said this to you girls (about guys in my area) before.
But its really good down here on the Jersey Shore. Besides guys that aren’t trying to be secretive about dating me, people don’t seem give me very many problems about being-T..lol.

You should move down here! I’m the only TS I know. I have to travel to they city just to see you bitchezz…

[Alyssa87]

oh!

And for the record, I’ve never tried to ‘play real’ for the boys when they try to kick it to me.

I like to whisper it in their ear. And if they’re with friends, I’ll tell him to go back to them and tell them that I said I’m a lesbian as to avoid embarrassment.

[Surkis]

I didn't really go over too many posts in the topic so I apologize if this was covered already, but reading the first post I wouldn't really consider what the lady did to be anything to get worked up about, considering she was probably looking out for her friend. I mean even you said yourself that you guys drifted apart.

Honestly I wouldn't blame her. If I was in her position i'd do the same. Even though you and your friends and family have accepted who you are, you would be deluding yourself to thinking that everyone else would see you crossing over genders as being a minor thing to bring up during conversation. To many people its still a major thing.

That's just my 2c on the issue. I do hope you find someone but I really don't think that lady did that for the reasons you think.

[Surkis]

Also, completely off topic, sorry, but Alyssa, you're absolutely gorgeous. <_<

[Alyssa87]

well thank you very much, kind sir.

[Surkis]

No need to thank me, i'm just telling it how it is. :P

[NYTSJulie]

The post is old but I still feel the same way. Your "T" is your business and you are not obligated to tell anyone.

If a guy had one testicle, couldn't have kids or only had a 2 inch dick.....he wouldn't tell you in first meeting you. If a girl stuffed her bra she wouldn't tell you. If a guy lives at home with is mom he wouldn't tell you. If he was bisexual he wouldn't tell you. The list goes on and on.

People go out and put on their best faces and dont tell people their deep personal business, so why should we be expected to?

[ARMANIXXX]

Damn......

This one's still gettin resurrected.




Bottom line though.....if you plan a third and fourth date with dude, for real.....it's about time to come clean about havin a cock though, for real.

[Surkis]

I don't think you can compare looking like a woman but having nice set of male bits to a guy having only 1 testical or a puny peter, or living at home with mom.

I can see where you're coming from but in the end I really can't just agree with you. I didn't mean to reignite the argument, i just saw the topic on the front page and had to put in my 2c.

[needsum]

Who thinks that T girls should tell guys right away?

I think it all depends on the situation. If you meet someone, have a good night hanging out and you feel a vibe from him, wait until the end of the night before you say anything. Determine what kind of guy you feel he is based on the time you've just spent together and use that as your measuring stick.

If you think it's safe to tell him, then tell him when the night is over and you're ready to head home. Trust your gut, because if you've found him to be someone that you really feel strongly about, then you should get one of two responses; either he won't have a problem with you, or he will but will just casually excuse himself and that will be that.

I think you can easily tell the other type of asshole in the first 5 minutes, so you don't need to worry about what to do there.

But overall, no, I don't think you need to go out and tell people that you still have a penis before you let them into your world. Your penis is not the measure of who you are as a person and as a woman, and if someone is unable to handle that fact then you need to keep searching for that someone who can love you for who you are, no matter what is between your legs.

I can't imagine how difficult it is to find that perfect someone who has the looks, intelligence, personality, and the willingness to love you for all you are. Oh, wait, duh! I'm right here . . . ;) IF I were available Julie, I would PROUDLY walk with you on my arm and be as good to you as any man possibly could.

You'll find that guy, I know you will. You're too beautiful and too sweet to not have it happen for you.

[needsum]

If you went to dinner with a transsexual you would look around the restaurant to see if anyone clocks her. You would think twice about bringing her home to meet your parents, then probably decide that its not a good idea to chance it. You might care or you may not, but you would still be treating her differently. Its natural human behavior, thats why its best to tell someone when the time is right.

I think this is really all you can say. Only you can know when the time is right. I said above that you should tell him when the evening is at an end, but maybe it takes 2 or 3 evenings to get to that point. But my point was simply that you need to trust your gut, and do what feels best for you, because in the end it's all about you and what you want for your life.

[needsum]

But its really good down here on the Jersey Shore. Besides guys that aren’t trying to be secretive about dating me, people don’t seem give me very many problems about being-T..lol.

You should move down here! I’m the only TS I know. I have to travel to they city just to see you bitchezz…

I'm so curious as to where on the shore you're from? I live Down here too. I'm in Ocean County. I know you don't want to reveal to the world exactly where you are, but it would be cool to know that you're in my area. :D

[NYTSJulie]

I don't think you can compare looking like a woman but having nice set of male bits to a guy having only 1 testical or a puny peter, or living at home with mom.

I can see where you're coming from but in the end I really can't just agree with you. I didn't mean to reignite the argument, i just saw the topic on the front page and had to put in my 2c.

Ok then it might not be the same as "living home with mom or a girl stuffing her bra". Although going with the thought of being open an honest...........when you meet a women do you inform her that you sometimes get the urge to have a shemale penis is your mouth? For a lot of women this might be a deal breaker.

[NYTSJulie]

But its really good down here on the Jersey Shore. Besides guys that aren’t trying to be secretive about dating me, people don’t seem give me very many problems about being-T..lol.

You should move down here! I’m the only TS I know. I have to travel to they city just to see you bitchezz…

I'm so curious as to where on the shore you're from? I live Down here too. I'm in Ocean County. I know you don't want to reveal to the world exactly where you are, but it would be cool to know that you're in my area. :D

Nope not even close.

[Alyssa87]

But its really good down here on the Jersey Shore. Besides guys that aren’t trying to be secretive about dating me, people don’t seem give me very many problems about being-T..lol.

You should move down here! I’m the only TS I know. I have to travel to they city just to see you bitchezz…

I'm so curious as to where on the shore you're from? I live Down here too. I'm in Ocean County. I know you don't want to reveal to the world exactly where you are, but it would be cool to know that you're in my area. :D

Nope not even close.

i think he was talking to me mama..
(you are beatuiful in your avatar.
as real as u look i can see where
you wouldnt want to tell every guy!!)

i live in monmouth beach.

[ottorocket]

I don't think you can compare looking like a woman but having nice set of male bits to a guy having only 1 testical or a puny peter, or living at home with mom.

I can see where you're coming from but in the end I really can't just agree with you. I didn't mean to reignite the argument, i just saw the topic on the front page and had to put in my 2c.

Ok then it might not be the same as "living home with mom or a girl stuffing her bra". Although going with the thought of being open an honest...........when you meet a women do you inform her that you sometimes get the urge to have a shemale penis is your mouth? For a lot of women this might be a deal breaker.

I just had to laugh at this...good 1 Julie

[Surkis]

I don't think you can compare looking like a woman but having nice set of male bits to a guy having only 1 testical or a puny peter, or living at home with mom.

I can see where you're coming from but in the end I really can't just agree with you. I didn't mean to reignite the argument, i just saw the topic on the front page and had to put in my 2c.

Ok then it might not be the same as "living home with mom or a girl stuffing her bra". Although going with the thought of being open an honest...........when you meet a women do you inform her that you sometimes get the urge to have a shemale penis is your mouth? For a lot of women this might be a deal breaker.

Again you're comparing things that aren't really comparable. Sexual fantasies and having the opposite gender's plumbing are 2 very different things.

Maybe 1 date is fine, but if you plan on getting any kind of serious with the person, it would be unfair and selfish to lead them on. If I went out with a chick and she found out I had one ball, what's that gonna do? Are there any groups out there forcing the issue that people with 1 ball deserves rights too? Or what about my sexual fantasies? They are just that, fantasies. I can keep them in my head forever if I wish, but if a guy is looking at you, chances are the last thing that's on their mind is "I bet she's packing a johnson way bigger then mine! Hell yeah!"

I mean some women have been beaten up or even killed over things like this, so i'm sorry but even though its not a big issue to you, it still is to other people. If you want to be accepted for who you are then you have to start by accepting that some people are who they are, and I gotta say there are a ton of guys out there who don't want to have anything to do with some other dude's junk, even if its attatched to a gorgeous woman.

So again, maybe she wasn't trying to out you, maybe she was just looking out for her friend, or maybe it just came up in casual conversation. You shouldn't have taken it so personally. She only told him what he eventually WILL find out later on if you had planned to spend any length of time with him, unless you were just flat out never going to have sex with him.

Again if you want we can just agree to disagree than that's perfectly allright, but your inaccurate comparisons are not going to get us anywhere.

[heizatt]

Just read all 21 pages; I think everyone has told their truths. I think this thread has explained why I have never had a relationship of any kind, professional or personal, with a T girl, other than a lucky happenstance one night stand in college. Many friends but no relationships. The girls who are working so hard at transition seem, to want guys to have very little to no interest in their plumbing. A lot of the girls find regular employment either difficult to obtain or insufficient to support them and the costs of their transition.

This seems to mean many, turn to escorting to pay the bills and that would just seem to open her up to some of the worst guys out there. Also it seems that the majority of this activity would focus on a part that she, in many cases, is looking to get rid of. I would imagine that would have a strong impact on one's opinion of men who are attracted to girls in the midst of transition.

Isn't it fundamentaly A LIE for a guy to be in a relationship of any kind, where one of the things that attracts him to her is something she wants to change? So for someone that wants to be honest, truthful, and open in a long term relationship, but wants her to keep her stuff, I must keep away until I find that special girl. So basically, I've given up, but at least I know I have not injured another or myself along the way.

It also does seem a little myopic to think that a man who would choose a pre-op t-girl over a gg is straight. He may not be gay, bi, etc. but he is at least curious in some respect. 100% straight men don't want anything to do with a penis. After SRS I get it but not b4.

Sorry if any of this seems ignorant or foolish, they are just my thoughts.

[Surkis]

Nice post, Heiz, but regarding your last paragraph i've actually said my thoughts on that in a different topic. I think you can be straight and still like TG's, but i definatly don't want to bring that debate here. I posted it in the "is TG porn a gateway to Gay Porn" topic, or something to that effect.

[NYTSJulie]

But its really good down here on the Jersey Shore. Besides guys that aren’t trying to be secretive about dating me, people don’t seem give me very many problems about being-T..lol.

You should move down here! I’m the only TS I know. I have to travel to they city just to see you bitchezz…

I'm so curious as to where on the shore you're from? I live Down here too. I'm in Ocean County. I know you don't want to reveal to the world exactly where you are, but it would be cool to know that you're in my area. :D

Nope not even close.

LOL sorry gurl

i think he was talking to me mama..
(you are beatuiful in your avatar.
as real as u look i can see where
you wouldnt want to tell every guy!!)

i live in monmouth beach.

[NYTSJulie]

I don't think you can compare looking like a woman but having nice set of male bits to a guy having only 1 testical or a puny peter, or living at home with mom.

I can see where you're coming from but in the end I really can't just agree with you. I didn't mean to reignite the argument, i just saw the topic on the front page and had to put in my 2c.

Ok then it might not be the same as "living home with mom or a girl stuffing her bra". Although going with the thought of being open an honest...........when you meet a women do you inform her that you sometimes get the urge to have a shemale penis is your mouth? For a lot of women this might be a deal breaker.

Again you're comparing things that aren't really comparable. Sexual fantasies and having the opposite gender's plumbing are 2 very different things.

Maybe 1 date is fine, but if you plan on getting any kind of serious with the person, it would be unfair and selfish to lead them on. If I went out with a chick and she found out I had one ball, what's that gonna do? Are there any groups out there forcing the issue that people with 1 ball deserves rights too? Or what about my sexual fantasies? They are just that, fantasies. I can keep them in my head forever if I wish, but if a guy is looking at you, chances are the last thing that's on their mind is "I bet she's packing a johnson way bigger then mine! Hell yeah!"

I mean some women have been beaten up or even killed over things like this, so i'm sorry but even though its not a big issue to you, it still is to other people. If you want to be accepted for who you are then you have to start by accepting that some people are who they are, and I gotta say there are a ton of guys out there who don't want to have anything to do with some other dude's junk, even if its attatched to a gorgeous woman.

So again, maybe she wasn't trying to out you, maybe she was just looking out for her friend, or maybe it just came up in casual conversation. You shouldn't have taken it so personally. She only told him what he eventually WILL find out later on if you had planned to spend any length of time with him, unless you were just flat out never going to have sex with him.

Again if you want we can just agree to disagree than that's perfectly allright, but your inaccurate comparisons are not going to get us anywhere.

OK now I got ya, sometimes it takes me a minute to catch on, lol. So the rules in the mind of the delusional are...............................its ok for you to fantasize about have a penis in your mouth just as long as you dont actually do it? Its also ok to be on a shemale board posting about such things just as long as you keep it "a fantasy"?

I have news for you, in some peoples mind you might be considered bisexual and this might be a deal breaker to a potential partner. Most potential partners would want to know if you sit at home and stroke your Johnson thinking about another one deep in your mouth, whether you have done it or not.

This is ok to keep from a mate????.....Although I should expose my deep personal issues by the "first date".

[RMan1]

So what happened with him? Did he decide he never wanted to talk with you again? Or did he decide your being a transexual was ok and he wants to remain just friends? Or are you dating?

[needsum]

But its really good down here on the Jersey Shore. Besides guys that aren’t trying to be secretive about dating me, people don’t seem give me very many problems about being-T..lol.

You should move down here! I’m the only TS I know. I have to travel to they city just to see you bitchezz…

I'm so curious as to where on the shore you're from? I live Down here too. I'm in Ocean County. I know you don't want to reveal to the world exactly where you are, but it would be cool to know that you're in my area. :D

Nope not even close.

i think he was talking to me mama..
(you are beatuiful in your avatar.
as real as u look i can see where
you wouldnt want to tell every guy!!)

i live in monmouth beach.

Lol, yes, that question was directed toward Alyssa87. Monmouth Beach, huh? Thats a pretty nice area. You ever venture over to Sandy Hook and hit up Gunnison beach?

[Alyssa87]

HELL NO. those guys look gross.

[one_and_only808]

I think they should be told before they start to have feelings for you. This can be hard to judge and vary from man to man. You talked about putting yourself in a dangerous situation, but doing what you said in a earlier post "Cake in your hand" is a lot more dangerous. Emotions are a crazy thing, you mix them with news like that later on in the relationship, you have more of a chance of being in danger.

[Surkis]

Disregard this post, sorry for the double post.

[Surkis]

I don't think you can compare looking like a woman but having nice set of male bits to a guy having only 1 testical or a puny peter, or living at home with mom.

I can see where you're coming from but in the end I really can't just agree with you. I didn't mean to reignite the argument, i just saw the topic on the front page and had to put in my 2c.

Ok then it might not be the same as "living home with mom or a girl stuffing her bra". Although going with the thought of being open an honest...........when you meet a women do you inform her that you sometimes get the urge to have a shemale penis is your mouth? For a lot of women this might be a deal breaker.

Again you're comparing things that aren't really comparable. Sexual fantasies and having the opposite gender's plumbing are 2 very different things.

Maybe 1 date is fine, but if you plan on getting any kind of serious with the person, it would be unfair and selfish to lead them on. If I went out with a chick and she found out I had one ball, what's that gonna do? Are there any groups out there forcing the issue that people with 1 ball deserves rights too? Or what about my sexual fantasies? They are just that, fantasies. I can keep them in my head forever if I wish, but if a guy is looking at you, chances are the last thing that's on their mind is "I bet she's packing a johnson way bigger then mine! Hell yeah!"

I mean some women have been beaten up or even killed over things like this, so i'm sorry but even though its not a big issue to you, it still is to other people. If you want to be accepted for who you are then you have to start by accepting that some people are who they are, and I gotta say there are a ton of guys out there who don't want to have anything to do with some other dude's junk, even if its attatched to a gorgeous woman.

So again, maybe she wasn't trying to out you, maybe she was just looking out for her friend, or maybe it just came up in casual conversation. You shouldn't have taken it so personally. She only told him what he eventually WILL find out later on if you had planned to spend any length of time with him, unless you were just flat out never going to have sex with him.

Again if you want we can just agree to disagree than that's perfectly allright, but your inaccurate comparisons are not going to get us anywhere.

OK now I got ya, sometimes it takes me a minute to catch on, lol. So the rules in the mind of the delusional are...............................its ok for you to fantasize about have a penis in your mouth just as long as you dont actually do it? Its also ok to be on a shemale board posting about such things just as long as you keep it "a fantasy"?

I have news for you, in some peoples mind you might be considered bisexual and this might be a deal breaker to a potential partner. Most potential partners would want to know if you sit at home and stroke your Johnson thinking about another one deep in your mouth, whether you have done it or not.

This is ok to keep from a mate????.....Although I should expose my deep personal issues by the "first date".

Please disregard my last post. For some reason the website is acting horrendously shitty right now and I can't even topics anymore.

Anyways, this is what i ment to post. Its slightly different from my last one. As soon as the site stops shitting up i'll delete my other post.

Uh, no that's not what i'm saying at all. You're completely missing my point, you're twisting my words, and now you're trying to sling insults at me.

Fact is that now you're trying to compare what is going on in the mind to what is going on in reality.

I mean my fantasies are no one else's business, just like everyone else's, because they don't impact anything. HOWEVER looking like a woman and having a dick DOES impact things because i'm sorry, but its false advertizing. At some point the relationship is going to lead to sex and when it does, there are going to be some suprised faces, and in somecase bloodshed or possibly even a fatality.

I mean if you want to keep attacking me for liking what I like, go ahead, that just kind of proves that you have no idea what you're talking about because you seem to be more interested in making fun of the guys who like women like you, which to me is counterproductive when you're trying to date a guy like that to begin with.

I hope you find a decent guy whom you don't have to lie to for the first couple of months in order to get him to like you, I really do.

Now again, we can agree to disagree, or you can keep up with your poorly thought out analogies, in which case you'd probably win at some point because I'm not a big fan of people who argue like children who would rather demean you than accept that you have a different viewpoint than them.

[janinek]

Puts my hand up in the back row....

Please don't dump us gg's all in the same group.My current flatmate/lover is tg and I adore her.When we first met I had been told she was but she also told me before our first kiss.to be honest it was one of my fantasies to have sex with a tgirl...she is still intact......and I've loved every minute with her and have a few gf's who would love to be in my postion and have told me so.

What does that make me,straight? lesbian? bi most probably..happy...oh yeahhh.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

Janine

[natina]

WOW THIS HAPPENS

ITS ALL PART OF BEING A TS

I wonder what you expected to happen

old thread but a great story


I started transition 13 years ago, lol wow it’s been a long time. Through the years I have come to the conclusion that genetic women are the ones who have the biggest issue with transsexuals. At least that has been my experience.

I went out last weekend for my sister’s birthday. It was myself, my sister, 6 other girls and 4 guys. We went out on the North Shore of Long Island, it’s a very vanilla yuppie crowd. I met a few guys and one of them I really liked. We hit it off and have been talking all week. He is exactly my type, perfect. He looks very GQ, 34, tall, Italian and Irish mix, great face and hot body. He has a great personality, comes from money and lives in a cute new 1.5 million dollar condo here on the Island. I am thinking husband material lol.

Now I don’t run around telling people my “T”. I feel that it is my business and unless I am about to go to bed with someone then I have no obligation to divulge it. People treat you differently when they know right off the bat rather than finding out down the road.

So I am all excited thinking I have met my future husband lol, now here is the catch. I know one of the bar tenders who works at the bar where I met him. I knew her when I was still living as boy. We worked together and actually used to be really good friends. We drifted apart and then I ran into her about 2 years ago after not seeing or speaking to her in 10 years, but that’s another story.

It turned out that my soon to be husband lol knew her also. One of his friends is a bartender at the bar also. Long story short, he went down there last night for a drink and then I got the 1AM phone call asking “is this true”.

I don’t know if I should verbally confront her, or I should wait for her when she is getting off work. I want to get all ghetto on her ass, throw my hair up, take my earrings off and rub Vaseline on my face lol.

I swear women feel threatened. They get all catty when you’re more attractive than them or you get more attention, they think “and she isn’t even a real girl”.

[GrimFusion]

WOW THIS HAPPENS

ITS ALL PART OF BEING A TS

I wonder what you expected to happen

old thread but a great story

Thanks for digging up a post from almost five years ago. Ass.

[Females+Shemales]

Even women don't understand women, LOL.

[EyeCumInPiece]

None of this suprises me, women are catty evil bitches. They even do it to eachother!! Its something about that bleeding wound between there legs , it is the epicenter of the evil.

[Prospero]

Phew - I guess you don't really care for genetic girls then, EyeCumInPiece. That's one of the most hateful postings I've seen in a while.

[Bunzee]

who do you expect to find at clubs? it's mostly trash.

if you want to meet nice intelligent people, go to theatre, plays, art galleries, business expos.

why are you so surprised when you meet trash at trashy places? do you expect to find professors at these clubs?

[tsadriana]

Are bad women and good women and bad ts,s and good ts,s aswell.

[nysprod]

WOW THIS HAPPENS

ITS ALL PART OF BEING A TS

I wonder what you expected to happen

old thread but a great story

Wow, that's 5 years old already, wonder whatever happened...

[Dino Velvet]

Why choose between GG or TS? Include both and double your fun. Your chances too.

[natina]

ORIGINAL - JAMES BROWN Papa Don&#39;t Take No Mess & My Thang - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKeY88YLBUU)

[danthepoetman]

Why choose between GG or TS? Include both and double your fun. Your chances too.
I'm totally with you on that, Dino. And anyways, for what difference there is if you want to consider any, it's not worth making any fuss...

[bluesoul]

Phew - I guess you don't really care for genetic girls then, EyeCumInPiece. That's one of the most hateful postings I've seen in a while.

maybe he's looking for an extra edge with the hungangels.

[bluesoul]

Why choose between GG or TS? Include both and double your fun. Your chances too.

personally, it might be a matter of genitalia

btw: one page one (i believe it was) kelly shore said "she should have been more concerned about your safety" rather than divulging to that straight guy that the OP was a tranny.

i'm thinking she actually was. wouldn't it be worse if the guy found out if things progressed further and he (maybe) hinted he didn't want to do anal on a first night?

[nina_lisa]

Why choose between GG or TS? Include both and double your fun. Your chances too.

Have 2 women nag you instead of one? sounds like a good deal

[Dino Velvet]

I'm totally with you on that, Dino. And anyways, for what difference there is if you want to consider any, it's not worth making any fuss...

Worst case scenario there's still 2 places to put your wiener. Most GGs I know board up one of 'em anyway. Apples and Funholes.

[nycguy1]

I swear women feel threatened. They get all catty when you’re more attractive than them or you get more attention, they think “and she isn’t even a real girl”.

i have seen "real" girls with vaginas who had nasty mustaches and one even had a beard (not joking). some of them act like men. it's disgusting. then i have seen transgirls who are incredibly feminine and define what it is to be female - submissive, sexy, soft, gentle, all dolled-up (when i look at new york city women, they mostly - 51% or more - dress like men, in hoodies and jeans instead of tight skirts, dresses, heels, etc.), and no beard or mustache.

a man uses and enjoys a girl's vagina or penis (on a tgirl) for a short time. rest of the time, he is dealing with her directly. is she a girl? is she feminine? does she know how to treat a man? etc. etc. the vagina isn't doing that, she is.

quick story about what a girl should be like imo: i once went on a date with a gg who refused to let me hold the door for her amongst other things. she would not allow me to take a dominant role. i remember asking her (that's right, ASKING, not simply doing it, because i understood i am not allowed to be a male in pro-feminist american society. it is wrong to dominate and show the traditional male side) if i can drop her off at the tram that goes to roosevelt island i think. it was 10 pm at night in the summer. crime rises in the summer. we were near the apple store on 5th avenue. she said she will walk home alone. i understand everyone is different but these things were shocking. any one of these behaviors to me is a huge turn-off. in all cultures, it is feminine and girl-like to let the man take care of you. maybe she had a feminist complex or some other idea about what a girl should be like. i would not define her as a "real girl" by any means.

[Rusty Eldora]

Interesting read, even if it is almost 5 years old. Anyone know what happened to TS Julie, she hasn't posted in over a year.

My own 2 cents on when to tell, well in college a guy friend suddenly came onto me, our friendship tanked. I wasn't the most successful with women at the time (a bit nerdy) and it felt threatening and I couldn't be gay. In my 50's I've seen gg escorts and have gg girlfriends. I was into TS porn a bit, but was getting curious, but afraid how I would react badly seeing, touching, sucking, and being topped by a T girl. It turned out I really loved it, but what if???

I think a T girl needs to be careful with a str8 guy in initial dating, but there is no need to tell until intimacy will be occurring. But kissing before knowing could be bad, and he could freak out. Most guys would need to think this a bit before deciding.

Most relationships are based on both intimacy and friendships and go far beyond sex. Its a challenge for anybody, being TG probably makes it harder as there is a smaller band between the start of acceptance and being a chaser.

As to the GG having bigger issue with TS, I see it. GG's seem OK with Lesbian as it is not competition, but competition for guys they want can drive them crazy.

[phillyguy21]

A lot of people (on both sides) have made good points in this thread. This has been a really interesting read. Julie and Kelly were getting a bit too defensive, though. Sure, we guys don't know what it's like to live your life. I will concede that fact every time. However, we are men, and we know how men think. Therefore, you shouldn't discount a guys input because it's something you don't want to hear. I tell GGs the same thing...if anything, you should listen to a guy's advice more than a girl.

Sure, there is no one-size-fits-all solution. However, a basic protocol I would suggest would be the following: Tell him in the first or second phone conversation. This is assuming that you met the guy out at a club, bar, sidewalk, grocery store, etc., and exchanged numbers. Don't tell him immediately upon meeting him at the venue, because you subject yourself to danger if he is an insecure dude with his friends around. Also, you don't want to wait until dates wherein he has spent money on you and/or gotten physical with you, because you come off as being deceptive and manipulative (even if that was not your intention). However, one of those initial phone conversations can be the perfect time. I'm not telling you to pick up the phone and say, "I'm trans." Build rapport, and talk to him. However, you should have a way to tell him at the end of a phone call or two, IMO.

Now, I totally understand that it is easier said than done. I hate having to tell people news, about which they might have a negative reaction. Therefore, I can empathize. However, like some others have said, there are tgirls who get seriously hurt and/or killed over shit like this, and just handling it in a smart way can help prevent the worst from happening.

[nina_lisa]

My personal experience, is that no gender, race, religion, nationality, social background, ethnicity,....etc have a monopoly on hatred and bigotry.

Some men are supportive, other are full of hatred, some women are supportive, some women are jealous and full of hatred.

I've had GG friend that been nothing but accepting and supportive, an there when I needed someone to speak with.

[nina_lisa]

i have seen "real" girls with vaginas who had nasty mustaches and one even had a beard (not joking). some of them act like men. it's disgusting. then i have seen transgirls who are incredibly feminine and define what it is to be female - submissive, sexy, soft, gentle, all dolled-up (when i look at new york city women, they mostly - 51% or more - dress like men, in hoodies and jeans instead of tight skirts, dresses, heels, etc.), and no beard or mustache.

a man uses and enjoys a girl's vagina or penis (on a tgirl) for a short time. rest of the time, he is dealing with her directly. is she a girl? is she feminine? does she know how to treat a man? etc. etc. the vagina isn't doing that, she is.


I would 90% agree with you.

GG: specially if you are in a city like NYC, it is competitive, people are career oriented, and if you are a girly girl, many people will not take you seriously.

Trans girl: sometime we tend to over compensate what we were denied during our childhood (been feminine).

A trans girl can be walking down the street, hear someone say: that is a man. And she will question everything about herself. Does this dress make me less or more feminine, is it my haircut than made me look like a man? If I have this hairstyle, would I look more passable?

Many times a GG can go out of the shower, have her hair wet, wear her BF suite and tie and still look like a woman, you can not always say the same about all ts women, so sometimes we need to go the extra mile.

This said I don't 100% agree, the trans community does have a lot of diversity, you have ts women that wear jeans and hoodies, that are androgynous or even butch.

[amberskyi]

I would 90% agree with you.

GG: specially if you are in a city like NYC, it is competitive, people are career oriented, and if you are a girly girl, many people will not take you seriously.

Trans girl: sometime we tend to over compensate what we were denied during our childhood (been feminine).

A trans girl can be walking down the street, hear someone say: that is a man. And she will question everything about herself. Does this dress make me less or more feminine, is it my haircut than made me look like a man? If I have this hairstyle, would I look more passable?

Many times a GG can go out of the shower, have her hair wet, wear her BF suite and tie and still look like a woman, you can not always say the same about all ts women, so sometimes we need to go the extra mile.

This said I don't 100% agree, the trans community does have a lot of diversity, you have ts women that wear jeans and hoodies, that are androgynous or even butch.

very well stated.who ever gave this post a thumbs down is an asshole

[SXFX]

So you are surprised that women are acting bitchy?
Really? Really? What are you going to tell me next? That water is wet, fire is hot and wind blows?
Really?
Ok stand back while i blow you fucking mind.
Women have one thing and one thing going for them. That they are cute/hot. Once they stop being cute/hot well let me put it this way...I can't see personality from across the fucking bar. So every hour of every day women get older and another very cute very young very supple girl turns 21 and walks into the club and the older girls get older and have one more woman to compete with.

We men on the other hand? Well every hour of every day I'm worth more, i'm more mature and oh yeah better looking. Young punks coming into the club jacked and fist bumping may do ok but in the long run it's the 6 figure nigger aka me who takes the girl home.

To sum it up, woman age like french bread and well we men age like fine wine.

So as you TS girls become "ladies" you just have to understand that you just become another vagina in the pool and well your best friend now has to worry about you stealing that prized man she had her heart on. And adding insult to injury? Well.....let's be honest you didn't start off as a woman now did you? They feel you have cheated and are cheating them out of a chance with that "perfect man".

Get use to it. It's life.