Does This Make You Gay? Yup.

[tgirlzoe]

Will someone please explain to me the attraction to crossdressers, transvestites, drag queens and girls who couldn't pass if their life depended on it?

Okay, so transsexuals are women who used to be boys when they were young but now are essentially women everywhere but downstairs. But in spite of the cock, guys still want them to be women.

Then you have crossdressers, guys who occasionally get all done up to get their jollies off on surrounding themselves with feminine things. Okay, strange enough, but then you have guys who are into them, at least when they're all dolled up. They are into crossdressers over and above transsexuals! Why?!?

I get straight guys into women. I get gay guys into masculine, butch men. I get gay guys into cute, twinky boys. I even mostly get guys into transsexuals (women with different parts). I just don't get guys into other guys dressed up like women.

Some guys say they're into TS because we have to struggle to be who we are our whole lives. Well, that queen you're fucking on Saturday night is going to take out her falsies, pull off that wig, comb over his hair and put on a suit and tie on Monday.

If you're into guys, you're into guys. If you're into girls, you're into girls (penis or vagina). If you're into both, you're a slut :P But what the hell is a guy into guys in women's clothing? That's bizarre to me.

[Ecstatic]

It doesn't appeal to me, personally, but I can understand it, at least in the abstract. Human sexuality is so complex and varied, that what gets one person off may simply turn another off. I know guys who solely drawn to CDs/TVs and not to TSs: as soon as their "girl" feminizes herself with implants (boobs) or other 'permanent' alternation, the attraction disappears for them. Some even go further, and are only turned on by their partner in drag, but not in boi mode.

As to whether this makes them "gay," yes, I'd have to agree that it does. With a bit of a twist, sure, but still gay.

[tgirlzoe]

I know some ~ both gay and straight ~ people don't get bisexuals. I've been with all sorts of different kinds of people ~ men, women, MTF, FTM, thick, thin, older, younger. I've been around the BDSM scene a bit and done a lot of stuff that makes vanilla folk cringe or simply not understand. I'm 23, and while I'm no slut, I'm open and I've seen a lot of things. This is just one that weirds me out.

[KiraHarden]

Will someone please explain to me the attraction to crossdressers, transvestites, drag queens and girls who couldn't pass if their life depended on it?

Okay, so transsexuals are women who used to be boys when they were young but now are essentially women everywhere but downstairs. But in spite of the cock, guys still want them to be women.

Then you have crossdressers, guys who occasionally get all done up to get their jollies off on surrounding themselves with feminine things. Okay, strange enough, but then you have guys who are into them, at least when they're all dolled up. They are into crossdressers over and above transsexuals! Why?!?

I get straight guys into women. I get gay guys into masculine, butch men. I get gay guys into cute, twinky boys. I even mostly get guys into transsexuals (women with different parts). I just don't get guys into other guys dressed up like women.

Some guys say they're into TS because we have to struggle to be who we are our whole lives. Well, that queen you're fucking on Saturday night is going to take out her falsies, pull off that wig, comb over his hair and put on a suit and tie on Monday.

If you're into guys, you're into guys. If you're into girls, you're into girls (penis or vagina). If you're into both, you're a slut :P But what the hell is a guy into guys in women's clothing? That's bizarre to me.
For some guys the closest they will ever get to being with a TS is a CD. I think some guys have to settle for that based on where they live.

[loSTdoLLbaBY]

true, and good point Kira- but I think she meant if given a choice and the guy in question chooses a cd/tv over a ts then what's up with that. I would have to say that's a gay man who likes his men in makeup- cause once the clothes come off what's left is a man- nothing more, nothing less

the "why's" of it all? I don't pretend to know.

[tgirlzoe]

Although I've never had a true fetish, where it's required for me to get off. I understand the indirect sexuality of a fetish. I understand the motivations of the crossdresser much more than those of his admirer.

Perhaps the role of the admirer is similar to that of a BDSM top. The top gets off on bending the bottom to his/her will and with the help of objects or objectified body parts, gives their energy to the bottom. The bottom gladly complies to being controlled or hurt because their attraction to the object or the abstract of control is as much or more than their attraction to the top.

So the crossdresser is attracted to the clothing and/or to the idea of being a woman (autogynephilia, in Blanchard's words). The admirer is attracted to feminizing the crossdresser, possibly as a method of punishment or humiliation. It makes the top feel powerful to feminize a man.

Or am I off-base here?

[KiraHarden]

true, and good point Kira- but I think she meant if given a choice and the guy in question chooses a cd/tv over a ts then what's up with that. I would have to say that's a gay man who likes his men in makeup- cause once the clothes come off what's left is a man- nothing more, nothing less

the "why's" of it all? I don't pretend to know.
Oh I agree on that 100% You pull off that wig and stockings its a man. :roll:

[tgirlzoe]

For some guys the closest they will ever get to being with a TS is a CD. I think some guys have to settle for that based on where they live.

Which would make sense to me except that the guys who are into CDs seem to be into them more than they are into TS. Why else would men purposefully seek out CDs and why would they make porn of that? There are a few threads on here with many pages of examples of this genre, the guys are into it.

[KiraHarden]

For some guys the closest they will ever get to being with a TS is a CD. I think some guys have to settle for that based on where they live.

Which would make sense to me except that the guys who are into CDs seem to be into them more than they are into TS. Why else would men purposefully seek out CDs and why would they make porn of that? There are a few threads on here with many pages of examples of this genre, the guys are into it.
Shit Girls I'm just as confused on that as you are. :? Why does a CD think we would be attracted to them as well. I've turn down cd and tell them Im only into men. They think if they take off dress, that will change. I still see them as a cd and not a guy.

[peggygee]

Will someone please explain to me the attraction to crossdressers, transvestites, drag queens and girls who couldn't pass if their life depended on it?


true, and good point Kira- but I think she meant if given a choice and the guy in question chooses a cd/tv over a ts then what's up with that. I would have to say that's a gay man who likes his men in makeup- cause once the clothes come off what's left is a man- nothing more, nothing less

the "why's" of it all? I don't pretend to know.


"Elementary my dear Watson".

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/holmesrev.jpg

It's the the....

:penis

A cd, or drag queen will have more of male physique
and attributes remaining, including usually a more
functioning penis, while still looking somewhat fem.

The being somewhat fem allows the act to be somewhat
less 'gay',

[KiraHarden]

Will someone please explain to me the attraction to crossdressers, transvestites, drag queens and girls who couldn't pass if their life depended on it?

Okay, so transsexuals are women who used to be boys when they were young but now are essentially women everywhere but downstairs. But in spite of the cock, guys still want them to be women.

Then you have crossdressers, guys who occasionally get all done up to get their jollies off on surrounding themselves with feminine things. Okay, strange enough, but then you have guys who are into them, at least when they're all dolled up. They are into crossdressers over and above transsexuals! Why?!?

I get straight guys into women. I get gay guys into masculine, butch men. I get gay guys into cute, twinky boys. I even mostly get guys into transsexuals (women with different parts). I just don't get guys into other guys dressed up like women.

Some guys say they're into TS because we have to struggle to be who we are our whole lives. Well, that queen you're fucking on Saturday night is going to take out her falsies, pull off that wig, comb over his hair and put on a suit and tie on Monday.

If you're into guys, you're into guys. If you're into girls, you're into girls (penis or vagina). If you're into both, you're a slut :P But what the hell is a guy into guys in women's clothing? That's bizarre to me.
Yes I think they are gay, a cd is a man in a DRESS

[TomSelis]

Although I've never had a true fetish, where it's required for me to get off. I understand the indirect sexuality of a fetish. I understand the motivations of the crossdresser much more than those of his admirer.

Perhaps the role of the admirer is similar to that of a BDSM top. The top gets off on bending the bottom to his/her will and with the help of objects or objectified body parts, gives their energy to the bottom. The bottom gladly complies to being controlled or hurt because their attraction to the object or the abstract of control is as much or more than their attraction to the top.

So the crossdresser is attracted to the clothing and/or to the idea of being a woman (autogynephilia, in Blanchard's words). The admirer is attracted to feminizing the crossdresser, possibly as a method of punishment or humiliation. It makes the top feel powerful to feminize a man.

Or am I off-base here?

That sounds plausible.

It may be true for some guys. I'm not going to pretend I know the answer to your original question though. One thing I've learned is there's a lot of people into a lot of different things for any number of reasons. I know it's human nature to feel a certain way about people's actions. But like Nicole said, it comes from somewhere.

I guess crossdressers need love too. There's somebody for everybody.

[canihavu]

Interesting topic. Personally I have never been attracted to a CD, but I guess to each his own...

[cass1980]

Although I've never had a true fetish, where it's required for me to get off. I understand the indirect sexuality of a fetish. I understand the motivations of the crossdresser much more than those of his admirer.

Perhaps the role of the admirer is similar to that of a BDSM top. The top gets off on bending the bottom to his/her will and with the help of objects or objectified body parts, gives their energy to the bottom. The bottom gladly complies to being controlled or hurt because their attraction to the object or the abstract of control is as much or more than their attraction to the top.

So the crossdresser is attracted to the clothing and/or to the idea of being a woman (autogynephilia, in Blanchard's words). The admirer is attracted to feminizing the crossdresser, possibly as a method of punishment or humiliation. It makes the top feel powerful to feminize a man.

Or am I off-base here?

Go to Storysite.org or Fictionmania.com There are tons of stories involving Forced Feminization. This category is so large and diverse, it is broken up into sub-categories: "caught with consequences"; "bad boy to good girl"; "sissy finishing schools"; "maid academies"

These stories are typically first person accounts, so are geared to those girls who dress and wish to live the fantasy without the guilt. But I agree with Zoe that admirers who don't partake in dressing themselves might get excited by being the one who does the "forcing".

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Kira hit it right on the head. What is fascinating is that people can also have TS and TV's not to mention CD's in their area and still primarily choose TV's or CD's. Is that a bad thing? No. Our conception of what is good or bad, what makes sense and what doesn't make sense, and what is acceptable and what is not acceptable is our own; and the concept of directing others to believe things the same way we believe them is eventually going to be the downfall of man.

I could show you several pictures of crossdressers that have been shown here on hung angels, hell even in the last year and very few guys would have anything bad to say. I call them crossdressers because unlike most people I've been in a location where I've seen 3 of them make an appearance BY CHOICE as a boy. Guys are attracted to what they are attracted to, just as women are. It doesn't make a person anything other than them self for a particular choice they choose to follow, it makes them something other than them self to an individual who feels it's acceptable to judge them.

[tgirlzoe]

It's the the....

:penis

A cd, or drag queen will have more of male physique
and attributes remaining, including usually a more
functioning penis, while still looking somewhat fem.

The being somewhat fem allows the act to be somewhat
less 'gay',

Is the functioning level of the penis that hugely important? I mean, I don't work as well as I used to but I can still top if the situation arises (although nothing comes out). There are, according to porn, girls with huge dicks and plenty of cum. On the other hand, I've seen girls, particularly Asian girls, with little tiny penises that just dangle there and they'd probably do well to just get surgery because it can't be much fun to either party as is.

*sigh* silly boys and their penis obsessions...

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

I remember Vanity saying something I found funny on HBO during a special. She mentioned how all these straight guys approached her or took her out on dates and they said they'd never drop to their knees for oral or bend over, but she got them to.

I don't think it's always the guy being a boy with a silly penis fetish, as it can sometimes be the chick still wanting to play with her dick. There's a problem believing that the desire to use a penis is completely obliterated from a TS, if that was the case Eros.com would have a pretty bare TS/TV section.

[peggygee]

It's the the....

:penis

A cd, or drag queen will have more of male physique
and attributes remaining, including usually a more
functioning penis, while still looking somewhat fem.

The being somewhat fem allows the act to be somewhat
less 'gay',

Is the functioning level of the penis that hugely important? I mean, I don't work as well as I used to but I can still top if the situation arises (although nothing comes out). There are, according to porn, girls with huge dicks and plenty of cum.



Girl I know you've been here long enough to know how important
it is to the guys that the girl have a functioning penis, hell that's
a dealbreaker for many.




On the other hand, I've seen girls, particularly Asian girls, with little tiny penises that just dangle there and they'd probably do well to just get surgery because it can't be much fun to either party as is.

*sigh* silly boys and their penis obsessions...

This point was raised by one of the guys. He wondered if the size of a
womens penis influenced her decision to have SRS.

There are small penised women who don't want the op, and then there
are large penised women like myself who did.

So there isn't always a relationship.

[tgirlzoe]

Guys are attracted to what they are attracted to, just as women are. It doesn't make a person anything other than them self for a particular choice they choose to follow, it makes them something other than them self to an individual who feels it's acceptable to judge them.

Your sig judges guys who are into really fat women, doesn't it?

In comparison, I think there are many attractive women out there who actually have curves. Burlesque and rockabilly/psychobilly are famous for it. I randomly made out with a deliciously curvy woman this summer at a bar on Pride just for fun (we were drunk). Definitely possible to be sexy.

Then you have the chubby chasers, the fat admirers, the super-size BBW ~ guys who are into 400lb women. Why? That's disgusting.

[whatislove]

Technically, if your a guy who likes and sleeps with women, wouldn't going out with a guy, crossdressed or not be more in the bi category?

[TomSelis]

Guys are attracted to what they are attracted to, just as women are. It doesn't make a person anything other than them self for a particular choice they choose to follow, it makes them something other than them self to an individual who feels it's acceptable to judge them.

Your sig judges guys who are into really fat women, doesn't it?

In comparison, I think there are many attractive women out there who actually have curves. Burlesque and rockabilly/psychobilly are famous for it. I randomly made out with a deliciously curvy woman this summer at a bar on Pride just for fun (we were drunk). Definitely possible to be sexy.

Then you have the chubby chasers, the fat admirers, the super-size BBW ~ guys who are into 400lb women. Why? That's disgusting.

Takes all kinds. One man's junk is another man's treasure.

I remember those Dove ads from a couple of years ago with the normal to chubby women. Some of them were pretty smokin'.

[tgirlzoe]

Girl I know you've been here long enough to know how important it is to the guys that the girl have a functioning penis, hell that's a dealbreaker for many.



On the other hand, I've seen girls, particularly Asian girls, with little tiny penises that just dangle there and they'd probably do well to just get surgery because it can't be much fun to either party as is.

This point was raised by one of the guys. He wondered if the size of a
womens penis influenced her decision to have SRS.

There are small penised women who don't want the op, and then there
are large penised women like myself who did.

So there isn't always a relationship.

Yes, but if it no longer works, what's the point?

I have a smaller penis, on the short side and fairly thin but I don't care because I'm a bottom anyway, I'm not trying to impress anyone. I've never had a guy complain but instead say it's "feminine" or "cute". First guy I was with who met me just as a girl said it was easier to be comfortable with a small girl with a small penis, he'd be weirded out more if I had a bigger penis than him and that would be a dealbreaker.

Anyway, my point was that there are TS out there who are truly "fully functional". Why compromise looks and go for a CD if that's the only reason.

I think I'm leaning toward the fetish / forced feminization theory myself.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

my sig was a joke about the chat room......hopefully you read the words implanted on top of the actual image, it simply states how the chat room is very much like a fat chick on top of a hung dude, the chat room is always hot, always sweaty, and always wrong......... any dude that has ever had a fat chick on top of them trying to go for a ride on his cock will agree that it's just wrong.........

Zoe you feel how you feel, not everyone was meant to think the same way is all I am saying. I hang out with a few dudes at some of these parties and they get approached by some of the hottest chicks that show up, yet they go home with what I would deem a brick or they take a telephone # from a brick, it is what it is. Personal preference is just that........personal.

[Jericho]

How long's a a peiece of string?
Whatever answer you come up with, it's going to be inconclusive. Attraction is what it is.

[whatsupwithat]

imagine a day on ha where no one's being judged for what they like or are.

i have no idea what's going on here lately, but it seems like everyone has something to say about others who are not like them. and, yet, each of you in this thread is so very different in your likes and dislikes than anyone else in this thread. these pronouncements of what is trans or gay or straight and what a trans or gay or straight person should be attracted to and/or like seem to be coming from a place of fear and self validation rather than acceptance.

we are who we are. different.

[flabbybody]

I'm hoping most guys here know what a tgirl is by now. she has a female brain. she reacts, thinks, breathes as a woman. she'll even nag you like a woman. looks are secondary, but off course "passability" will add to her own self-confidence as a lady. hence there obsession with surgeries.

now what am I attracted to?
mostly t's. the hotter the better of course.

but I've been known to have downed too many vodkas and have left Silver Swan on occasion with something wearing a skirt and a lot of makeup covering a five o'clock shadow. and who probably watches more football on Sunday than I do. never really bothered me that I've taken someone like that home and fucked the shit out of them.

but I'll never confuse a trangendered lady with a CD. and what I do sexually and what I know in my brain are two separate things.

[scroller]

If you're into guys, you're into guys. If you're into girls, you're into girls (penis or vagina). If you're into both, you're a slut :P

In my opinion, it's very simple. I like both guys and girls. I like guy and girl traits, and my ideal fantasy is a mix in the same person. Pretty face, boobs, legs, ass and cock.

A GG has 4 out of 5 (80%) of those traits. A CD who's lacking in one of the feminine categories (usually face; often times they have better legs & butt) might also be 80% the way there. Best of all is a pre-op TS who has 100% of the qualities.

It's pretty simple, a lot of guys are here because we are attracted to a mix. I understand that's not what a lot of SRS-to-be TS' want to hear, but that is, after all, what makes TS porn popular.

[peggygee]

Guys are attracted to what they are attracted to, just as women are. It doesn't make a person anything other than them self for a particular choice they choose to follow, it makes them something other than them self to an individual who feels it's acceptable to judge them.

Your sig judges guys who are into really fat women, doesn't it?

In comparison, I think there are many attractive women out there who actually have curves. Burlesque and rockabilly/psychobilly are famous for it. I randomly made out with a deliciously curvy woman this summer at a bar on Pride just for fun (we were drunk). Definitely possible to be sexy.

Then you have the chubby chasers, the fat admirers, the super-size BBW ~ guys who are into 400lb women. Why? That's disgusting.

Takes all kinds. One man's junk is another man's treasure.

I remember those Dove ads from a couple of years ago with the normal to chubby women. Some of them were pretty smokin'.

Well y'all know that the 'bruthas' like em thick. http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/shrug.gif

[tgirlzoe]

We're getting there, I think. Just to remind everyone what we're discussing, here is a visual reminder:

http://www.hungangels.com/board/files/312474sissysuc_872.jpg

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

fuck you bitch

[lpell]

Its like the rabbi.who says the fake lobster tastes like the real thing, but its kosher, how does he know what the real thing tastes like! Any Way whats the difference. JUST DO WHAT YOU LIKE, and let others do as well

[Night Rider]

I love how when people like me and MacShreach get abuse when we share our opinion that cd's are men, but when a transsexual says it, it's correct. :lol:

I'm repeating myself with the whole "transsexuals are ALWAYS right" bullshit but can nobody else see it? GG's are the same but to less a degree.

[whatsupwithat]

I love how when people like me and MacShreach get abuse when we share our opinion that cd's are men, but when a transsexual says it, it's correct.



not necessarily.

[irishgirl]

Zoe you might have something there.

I remember like, the summer before I went on hormones, I was 21. I was at a party with a bunch of 20-somethings - lots of "queer" people - and it was fun. Anyways, I went in like a long skirt, a tank top , and I had a scarf on my head. I sure as hell did not look like a woman (short hair, no mone's), but I did look pretty cute. I wasn't trying to pass, just be a cute little kid.

Anyways this very attractive, very hot greenpeace guy latches himself onto me. I was shocked that this hot dude was into me given that I didn't look like a woman. But he was all over me - and using female pronouns for me and like, very consciously gendering me female even though I wasn't really expecting it.

Anyways, he could have had any peice of tail in the party, but he made me his little project for the night. He ended being an asshole (getting me drunk and taking advantage), but I allways wondered what his deal was.

Anywhodle!

[SXFX]

Ok 4 pages!
Woo freakin hoo!
How about guys who wear kilts but aren't Scottish?
Better yet guys who wear kilts aren't scottish and free ball it!

[EyeCumInPiece]

I am Only attracted to TS's only. 100% passable at that. To each is own i guess...

[MrsKellyPierce]

*burp* passable is in the eye of the beholder.

[loSTdoLLbaBY]

*burp* passable is in the eye of the beholder.

really?
I put forth that there are certain people who are oblivious to things and so to them anybody is passable... but, implied in the term "passable" is the idea that nobody picks you out as being something other than your are passing yourself off as- am I wrong on that?

didn't the term start out as a racial thing when segregation laws still existed and black people were passing themselves off as whites? imagine what happened if you didn't "pass" in that instance....so to me the term is far less arbitrary and far more hit or miss- you either pass or you don't (and sure everybody has "tells" that give them away just like in card playing- passing is akin to a bluff in a certain respect, right?)

[tsntx]

*burp* passable is in the eye of the beholder.

really?
I put forth that there are certain people who are oblivious to things and so to them anybody is passable... but, implied in the term "passable" is the idea that nobody picks you out as being something other than your are passing yourself off as- am I wrong on that?

didn't the term start out as a racial thing when segregation laws still existed and black people were passing themselves off as whites? imagine what happened if you didn't "pass" in that instance....so to me the term is far less arbitrary and far more hit or miss- you either pass or you don't (and sure everybody has "tells" that give them away just like in card playing- passing is akin to a bluff in a certain respect, right?)
yes

[lpell]

OK really hot sexy feminine CD/Tv Shemale or Hung Angel.You have Sex with Them. But You wouldn"t Have sex with a Dude. But Some Totally Straight Guy only Screws ugly Chicks or fatty's that dont get dolled up, and look like Hell. is that Gay. Just wondering

[canihavu]

I am Only attracted to TS's only. 100% passable at that. To each is own i guess...

Who belongs to that ass in your avatar?

[canihavu]

*burp* passable is in the eye of the beholder.

This is true. This is very very true...

[TomSelis]

I love how when people like me and MacShreach get abuse when we share our opinion that cd's are men, but when a transsexual says it, it's correct.



not necessarily.

+1

[KiraHarden]

*burp* passable is in the eye of the beholder.
Ive always wondered why I pass more to certain people, and others always know. I sometime thinks its because the people that know Im TS are more into TS than they want you to believe, so they tend to know what to look for. They other people just dont really give a shit, and have more important things in life to worry about