Is this the most exploitative niche in pornography?

[Gunder]

I've always thought that this is definitely one of the most, if not THE most exploitative genre in pornography. It seems to exist solely because some unlucky people have been born with gender-dysphoria and during their prolonged and no doubt horrendously expensive transition they have been forced to make money by resorting to showing off their bodies to a bunch of cock-craving "straight" guys. Can you possibly imagine having to do anything worse? Imagine that this turbulent period of your life would be forever immortalised on film so that you could never really forget about it or stop worrying that someone in your new job might find out about it. I know this must be true for the majority of porn, but it seems twice as tragic in this circumstance. Maybe i'm talking complete shite, but I just thought i'd see if there is anyone else out there that agrees with me.

I apologise to anyone that I may have offended with this post, I didn't mean to.

Also, just as an aside. Why do people here cling desperately to the "I'M STILL STRAIGHT" when they love nothing more than a huge pair of cock and balls on their girls? Maybe i'm lucky but It's really not that difficult to just identify as being bisexual.

[Gunder]

Have you considered the possibility of a third sex. The problem as I see it is the constant need to LABEL. I am attracted to GGirls and "some" TGirls.
I am comfortable with both except in the situation where a TGirl is only a Top. I am a male and prefer my women to be women. I don't ask my GGirlfriends to put on a strap on and I don't ask my TGirlfriends to fuck me. Pretty simple. To me a woman is a woman I don't seek a man.
If you feel the need to get fucked I wonder what you may do in other situations that you are afraid to admit. At the end of the day I don't care what you are and I don't want you judging me either. Leave it alone.Well I've certainly never met any transsexual that believed that they were a third sex, but then I haven't met very many. They were all pretty much set on altering their bodies to reflect their inner selves (either male or female, never a bit of both). And it's strange that you don't want people to label each other, but are quite eager to get yourself labelled.

Also i'd argue that no one should ever just "leave something alone". Understanding has never been reached by ignoring something.

[Jericho]

I've always thought that this is definitely one of the most, if not THE most exploitative genre in pornography.

You could say the same thing about midget porn, but no, i think *Stump* porn has that trophy.

[Jericho]

Well I've certainly never met any transsexual that believed that they were a third sex.

I have, though no western girls.
Maybe it's an eastern concept. :shrug

[Alison Faraday]

I think that the OP has pretty much knocked it on the head. Good post. It's all good to analyse.

Up until I started all of this I'd never even touched a man's penis before..

In some respects I would have much preferred to keep my college degree and £40k job working as a project manager for blue chips. Having a Gross Misconduct on your CV doesn't look particularly good, especially when it was their way of dealing with the shame of a man in a dress wandering about the office.

They got me on 3-points... Failing to disclose a medical condition. Discussing an inappropriate medical condition with another member of staff. And, people felt uncomfortable around me.

Regarding the uncomfortable bit, they'd felt pretty comfortable for the 3-years previous. Funny that init.. They were quite smug and certain about themselves too. I was dirty dirty dirty. The office pervert bringing shame and disrepute to our proud and important company. How could we have known. What would the investors say. Get rid of it.

[loSTdoLLbaBY]

" Imagine that this turbulent period of your life would be forever immortalised on film so that you could never really forget about it or stop worrying that someone in your new job might find out about it "

-every day-

thanks for caring

[Gunder]

I think that the OP has pretty much knocked it on the head. Good post. It's all good to analyse.

Up until I started all of this I'd never even touched a man's penis before..

In some respects I would have much preferred to keep my college degree and £40k job working as a project manager for blue chips. Having a Gross Misconduct on your CV doesn't look particularly good, especially when it was their way of dealing with the shame of a man in a dress wandering about the office.

They got me on 3-points... Failing to disclose a medical condition. Discussing an inappropriate medical condition with another member of staff. And, people felt uncomfortable around me.

Regarding the uncomfortable bit, they'd felt pretty comfortable for the 3-years previous. Funny that init.. They were quite smug and certain about themselves too. I was dirty dirty dirty. The office pervert bringing shame and disrepute to our proud and important company. How could we have known. What would the investors say. Get rid of it.There was a person in our office that transitioned and pretty much the same thing happened to her. Although she eventually found a good guy and got engaged.

[Alison Faraday]

There was a person in our office that transitioned and pretty much the same thing happened to her. Although she eventually found a good guy and got engaged.

Well don't tell anyone that you're on here. You'll be going next.

[mbf]

Imagine that this turbulent period of your life would be forever immortalised on film so that you could never really forget about it or stop worrying that someone in your new job might find out about it.

The scandal ist not that TS will do porn in my opinion - the sad part is that one might has to worry about that possible past in a "legit" job.

[Rod la Rod]

I think that the OP has pretty much knocked it on the head. Good post. It's all good to analyse.

Up until I started all of this I'd never even touched a man's penis before..

In some respects I would have much preferred to keep my college degree and £40k job working as a project manager for blue chips. Having a Gross Misconduct on your CV doesn't look particularly good, especially when it was their way of dealing with the shame of a man in a dress wandering about the office.

They got me on 3-points... Failing to disclose a medical condition. Discussing an inappropriate medical condition with another member of staff. And, people felt uncomfortable around me.

Regarding the uncomfortable bit, they'd felt pretty comfortable for the 3-years previous. Funny that init.. They were quite smug and certain about themselves too. I was dirty dirty dirty. The office pervert bringing shame and disrepute to our proud and important company. How could we have known. What would the investors say. Get rid of it.

That is terrible. I thought there were laws in the UK that protected TS employees from that kind of discrimination.
I have a TS friend who worked for a major biotech company in Seattle as a scientist. There actually are anti-discrimination laws in the city of Seattle that protect TS employees. Even so they made it so unpleasant for her to work there that she could not stand it and had to quit.

[Gunder]

If you feel that the porn Industry is exploiting Transsexuals, then why are you hanging out on a forum that sells that porn? :?

I know. I'm the worst one of all. The one that realises how fucked up this situation is but still gets on with it anyway.

[Gunder]

That is terrible. I thought there were laws in the UK that protected TS employees from that kind of discrimination.
I have a TS friend who worked for a major biotech company in Seattle as a scientist. There actually are anti-discrimination laws in the city of Seattle that protect TS employees. Even so they made it so unpleasant for her to work there that she could not stand it and had to quit.

I would think a lot of people that are victimised by such discrimination would rather just pack up and leave to go some place where it isn't a factor rather than stay on with people that ostracise you.

[Alison Faraday]

Even so they made it so unpleasant for her to work there that she could not stand it and had to quit.

That's the way they do it. They tried that with me to begin with but I just kept on going in everyday, sitting at my desk, no one talking to me, people going quiet in their conversation as they walked past.

They can't sack you for being a transsexual so they get you on something else. In my case they even took legal advice on how to get rid of me. Hence the failing to disclose a medical condition, since I knew long before that I was transsexual, by it's very definition of the condition itself. They expected me to disclose that to them when I was first employed.

It did cause cause problems for me. Certainly in terms of employment references going back for years. "We dismissed this person for Gross Misconduct blah blah blah."

In some ways it is easier to just leave, since if you don't they'll just get you on something totally ridiculous yet plausable, and then screw you over totally. It doesn't even end after you've gone. Protection policies don't pay out and all that.

Which is why is real life I don't tell anyone. I'm just the next girl you see in the street and nothing more.

I won't deny that it's made me practically suicidal at times, which is why I have more than one topic of conversation to fill in the gaps. 8)

I like talking about it and getting it out, yet it's not going to change anything. On the one hand I've traded my transsexual demons for inner happiness, yet on the other I've picked up a fresh load of demons to entertain.

At some point I prey that it's all going to come true. There's only so many times you can tell a story before it becomes boring. You just want to move onto the next chapter.

[tsmandy]

I think it's complicated and every girl experiences it in their own unique way.

For me, I think I've been treated much better in the porn and escorting industry than my non-trans women friends in the sex industry.

I like making porn, and I usually enjoy escorting. If you gave me the choice between making 30k a year in an office, devoting my time to making someone else richer, or 30k for a couple modeling gigs a month and an occasional client, I would choose porn everytime,.

I like making music, gardening, reading, writing, traveling, being available for my friends when they need me; being a sex worker allows me the freedom to do these things. It also allows me to spend a considerable amount of time focusing on keeping my body healthy and strong, honoring my transition as best as possible. Emotionally its less taxing, to make my living interacting with people who know I'm trans, and who like it, rather than constantly scrutinizing every interaction I have with coworkers to make sure I haven't been clocked. At some point I'll move on to making music full time, or writing books or something, but for now, I'm excited to have my website and occasional modeling gig.

So...its not all bad, and I'm sure that girls who've had more success than me would have something to add.

[Nowhere]

I've always thought that this is definitely one of the most, if not THE most exploitative genre in pornography. It seems to exist solely because some unlucky people have been born with gender-dysphoria and during their prolonged and no doubt horrendously expensive transition they have been forced to make money by resorting to showing off their bodies to a bunch of cock-craving "straight" guys. Can you possibly imagine having to do anything worse? Imagine that this turbulent period of your life would be forever immortalised on film so that you could never really forget about it or stop worrying that someone in your new job might find out about it. I know this must be true for the majority of porn, but it seems twice as tragic in this circumstance. Maybe i'm talking complete shite, but I just thought i'd see if there is anyone else out there that agrees with me.

I apologise to anyone that I may have offended with this post, I didn't mean to.

Also, just as an aside. Why do people here cling desperately to the "I'M STILL STRAIGHT" when they love nothing more than a huge pair of cock and balls on their girls? Maybe i'm lucky but It's really not that difficult to just identify as being bisexual.

While i'm not disagreeing with a word you're saying, the problem is that there are ZERO laws protecting the girls in their transition and ZERO medical help in having them do it.

That's where the tragedy lies. The fact that there's no protection against the most discriminated class of people in the world.

At least through porn, they have a way to make some money, even if it's not the best.

[a994]

There definitely need to be laws protecting transgendered persons from discrimination (and I'm sorry for the things that befell you at your gig, Alison).

[justatransgirl]

There definitely need to be laws protecting transgendered persons from discrimination (and I'm sorry for the things that befell you at your gig, Alison).

Depending on where you are there ARE laws to protect. But the homophobic US congress just voted down the first federal law to protect transgendered people in employment.

We are just freaks to them.


I think that the OP has pretty much knocked it on the head. Good post. It's all good to analyse.

Up until I started all of this I'd never even touched a man's penis before..

In some respects I would have much preferred to keep my college degree and £40k job working as a project manager for blue chips. Having a Gross Misconduct on your CV doesn't look particularly good, especially when it was their way of dealing with the shame of a man in a dress wandering about the office.

They got me on 3-points... Failing to disclose a medical condition. Discussing an inappropriate medical condition with another member of staff. And, people felt uncomfortable around me.

Regarding the uncomfortable bit, they'd felt pretty comfortable for the 3-years previous. Funny that init.. They were quite smug and certain about themselves too. I was dirty dirty dirty. The office pervert bringing shame and disrepute to our proud and important company. How could we have known. What would the investors say. Get rid of it.

And Alison, it's too bad someone as beautiful you was treated in that manner. I'm so sorry dear.

Hugs,
TS Jamie :-)

[justatransgirl]

I've always thought that this is definitely one of the most, if not THE most exploitative genre in pornography. It seems to exist solely because some unlucky people have been born with gender-dysphoria and during their prolonged and no doubt horrendously expensive transition they have been forced to make money by resorting to showing off their bodies to a bunch of cock-craving "straight" guys. Can you possibly imagine having to do anything worse? Imagine that this turbulent period of your life would be forever immortalised on film so that you could never really forget about it or stop worrying that someone in your new job might find out about it. I know this must be true for the majority of porn, but it seems twice as tragic in this circumstance. Maybe i'm talking complete shite, but I just thought i'd see if there is anyone else out there that agrees with me.

I apologise to anyone that I may have offended with this post, I didn't mean to.

Also, just as an aside. Why do people here cling desperately to the "I'M STILL STRAIGHT" when they love nothing more than a huge pair of cock and balls on their girls? Maybe i'm lucky but It's really not that difficult to just identify as being bisexual.

OK - why do we make porn?

Seeing as how a couple of you on this thread are new members here's an honest answer. There's also a zillion threads here that if you are really interested you can hunt down and learn from.

Basically I make porn because it allows me to live a lifestyle far in excess of what I would have working in a traditional TS job - IF anyone would even hire me. I drive a Mercedes, I live in a guarded resort community, I travel first class and am putting my partner through college.

And I escort because I like having sex and I like making men feel good and I like the validation it gives me that men think I'm worth spending some money on.

It's also fun to make porn, and even more fun to tell people what you do... :-)

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[justatransgirl]

Have you considered the possibility of a third sex. Well I've certainly never met any transsexual that believed that they were a third sex, but then I haven't met very many. They were all pretty much set on altering their bodies to reflect their inner selves (either male or female, never a bit of both). And it's strange that you don't want people to label each other, but are quite eager to get yourself labelled.


If you will search around some, several of us have written extensively on this topic.

First of all the human brain requires definitions and catagorization to store information in the brain. It's a fact of science. But what makes this so confusing is that each transgendered person has their own story, needs, assumptions, and path in life.

Am I a third sex? I don't know, but I'm tending that way. The traditional definition of trans-sexual is someone in transition from one sex to another - a transitionary state of circumstance in a binary world.

A girl who was born a boy or vice versa. A gender variant person who choses the gender more confortable to them. But who relates as one or the other.

But when you add the intervention of modern science, medicine and technology mankind is developing the ability to modify gender and most likely to eventually create life itself.

Enter the transsexual who "transcends" gender. The perment transsexual. Someone who is comfortable as a third gender. Part boy, part girl, part both, part neither. A person of both sexes, perhaps pre-op or post-op but who doesn't try to conform to one sex or the other, but who is a blend of the sexes.

We are the pioneers of the self-evolution of mankind.

I like being a girl, I also like some aspects of being a boy. I like having sex asa a girl ONLY, but I also like to marlin fish. I like china and crystal glassware, but I also like to build things. I couldn't care less about dolls, but I like to shop for clothes and get my nails done and girl talk with my GG friends.

So I guss now you know someone of the thrid gender.

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[arnie666]

A few years back I joined a butt sex site that gave me access to a wide variety of other sites, t-girl porn, big brazillian butts. Including one called 'hell fire sex'. Or something like that. It was a bdsm one where women some who looked very young where whipped spat on and degraded and then the person doing would have rough sex with them. Sometimes it was man/ girl , other time, girl/girl. There was one scene where I thought the girl looked very uncomfortable. And I though she didn't quite underatand what was going to happen. The other two actors were a woman and a man. The woman whipped her first and led her around on a dog leash .And then the bloke started throat fuking her. At one point the woman tried to stick her foot in her arse.You could tell this girl was not enjoying it.I 'm very good at spotting an act, this wasn't one. I don't know what she thought she was going to be doing this wasn't it. And she looked very roughed up by the end. They literally beat the shit out of her.

I know some girls get off on being treated like that.But after looking at a few more of the videos something put me off watching them again. It was different to the normal arse sex or tranny porn I watched before. I just had this image of these girls being told one thing and something else in fact happening on the set and big sums of money flashed at them. I don't know why.And maybe it was just that one scene where the girl really didn't like it. And it got to me. Still i just thought is the money worth it? having some fat ugly bloke fucking your mouth unitl you vomit. A woman beating shite out of you, and being fucked up the arse while the woman sticks her hand in your mouth trying to make you vomit again? For the viewing audiences pleasure. When is the limit reached. ? getting your teeth knocked out and your nose broke?

[lust4ts]

A few years back I joined a butt sex site that gave me access to a wide variety of other sites, t-girl porn, big brazillian butts. Including one called 'hell fire sex'. Or something like that. It was a bdsm one where women some who looked very young where whipped spat on and degraded and then the person doing would have rough sex with them. Sometimes it was man/ girl , other time, girl/girl. There was one scene where I thought the girl looked very uncomfortable. And I though she didn't quite underatand what was going to happen. The other two actors were a woman and a man. The woman whipped her first and led her around on a dog leash .And then the bloke started throat fuking her. At one point the woman tried to stick her foot in her arse.You could tell this girl was not enjoying it.I 'm very good at spotting an act, this wasn't one. I don't know what she thought she was going to be doing this wasn't it. And she looked very roughed up by the end. They literally beat the shit out of her.

I know some girls get off on being treated like that.But after looking at a few more of the videos something put me off watching them again. It was different to the normal arse sex or tranny porn I watched before. I just had this image of these girls being told one thing and something else in fact happening on the set and big sums of money flashed at them. I don't know why.And maybe it was just that one scene where the girl really didn't like it. And it got to me. Still i just thought is the money worth it? having some fat ugly bloke fucking your mouth unitl you vomit. A woman beating shite out of you, and being fucked up the arse while the woman sticks her hand in your mouth trying to make you vomit again? For the viewing audiences pleasure. When is the limit reached. ? getting your teeth knocked out and your nose broke?

That sounds disgusting, I have never watched extreme porn like that, even the notion repulses me. How anyone would get off on that type of shit is completely beyond me!

[arnie666]

A few years back I joined a butt sex site that gave me access to a wide variety of other sites, t-girl porn, big brazillian butts. Including one called 'hell fire sex'. Or something like that. It was a bdsm one where women some who looked very young where whipped spat on and degraded and then the person doing would have rough sex with them. Sometimes it was man/ girl , other time, girl/girl. There was one scene where I thought the girl looked very uncomfortable. And I though she didn't quite underatand what was going to happen. The other two actors were a woman and a man. The woman whipped her first and led her around on a dog leash .And then the bloke started throat fuking her. At one point the woman tried to stick her foot in her arse.You could tell this girl was not enjoying it.I 'm very good at spotting an act, this wasn't one. I don't know what she thought she was going to be doing this wasn't it. And she looked very roughed up by the end. They literally beat the shit out of her.

I know some girls get off on being treated like that.But after looking at a few more of the videos something put me off watching them again. It was different to the normal arse sex or tranny porn I watched before. I just had this image of these girls being told one thing and something else in fact happening on the set and big sums of money flashed at them. I don't know why.And maybe it was just that one scene where the girl really didn't like it. And it got to me. Still i just thought is the money worth it? having some fat ugly bloke fucking your mouth unitl you vomit. A woman beating shite out of you, and being fucked up the arse while the woman sticks her hand in your mouth trying to make you vomit again? For the viewing audiences pleasure. When is the limit reached. ? getting your teeth knocked out and your nose broke?

That sounds disgusting, I have never watched extreme porn like that, even the notion repulses me. How anyone would get off on that type of shit is completely beyond me!

The weird thing was , the other sites were more 'mainstream' ones owned I guess by the same company. And a woman who featured in it and take s a dom role ,features in a lot of porn on other sites like 'men in pain' and just str8 boy/girl scenes .But this a step above men in pain. Not because it was girls getting abused rather than blokes and that effected me.But the brutality had stepped up a notch and it was too much.

[lust4ts]

A few years back I joined a butt sex site that gave me access to a wide variety of other sites, t-girl porn, big brazillian butts. Including one called 'hell fire sex'. Or something like that. It was a bdsm one where women some who looked very young where whipped spat on and degraded and then the person doing would have rough sex with them. Sometimes it was man/ girl , other time, girl/girl. There was one scene where I thought the girl looked very uncomfortable. And I though she didn't quite underatand what was going to happen. The other two actors were a woman and a man. The woman whipped her first and led her around on a dog leash .And then the bloke started throat fuking her. At one point the woman tried to stick her foot in her arse.You could tell this girl was not enjoying it.I 'm very good at spotting an act, this wasn't one. I don't know what she thought she was going to be doing this wasn't it. And she looked very roughed up by the end. They literally beat the shit out of her.

I know some girls get off on being treated like that.But after looking at a few more of the videos something put me off watching them again. It was different to the normal arse sex or tranny porn I watched before. I just had this image of these girls being told one thing and something else in fact happening on the set and big sums of money flashed at them. I don't know why.And maybe it was just that one scene where the girl really didn't like it. And it got to me. Still i just thought is the money worth it? having some fat ugly bloke fucking your mouth unitl you vomit. A woman beating shite out of you, and being fucked up the arse while the woman sticks her hand in your mouth trying to make you vomit again? For the viewing audiences pleasure. When is the limit reached. ? getting your teeth knocked out and your nose broke?

That sounds disgusting, I have never watched extreme porn like that, even the notion repulses me. How anyone would get off on that type of shit is completely beyond me!

The weird thing was , the other sites were more 'mainstream' ones owned I guess by the same company. And a woman who featured in it and take s a dom role ,features in a lot of porn on other sites like 'men in pain' and just str8 boy/girl scenes .But this a step above men in pain. Not because it was girls getting abused rather than blokes and that effected me.But the brutality had stepped up a notch and it was too much.

Well at least you acknowledged that it disturbed you and you turned it off. I don't really watch porn at all now, I used to watch allot but it was something I never even had the slightest need to ever see! Good for you, it just shows you're not a sick fucking cunt who gets off on girls getting abused for money!

[yodajazz]

Imagine that this turbulent period of your life would be forever immortalised on film so that you could never really forget about it or stop worrying that someone in your new job might find out about it.

The scandal ist not that TS will do porn in my opinion - the sad part is that one might has to worry about that possible past in a "legit" job.

Gunder that was a good and thoughtful post. And also there a lot of good responses in this thread.

For Gunder I would say that there are two sides to everything. The porn and sex industry has allowed people to work and survive that might have troubles elsewhere. Some appear to do well financially for a while.

That's why I agree so much with mbf's statement. It's seems to me in general that society is becoming more unforgiving, and employers have way too much power. The term "at will" employment is pretty popular these days. They don't even need a reason to fire a person with that definition.

The good thing about today's world is that media exposure can lead to more understanding and tolerence. In my state of Ohio, the Governor made a decree protecting all state employees which included trans issues, I believe and this state was known for putting Bush over the top in the last two elections. There was no public fuss over his decision, I believe.

[peggygee]

A very timely and thought provoking thread.

As a woman, a person of color, and a transwoman,
it would seem as if the deck would have been
stacked against me.

However for me, I have never allowed others to dictate
my success or failure.

Rather I have chosen to be the Captain of my ship, and
the Mistress of my destiny.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/needajob.jpg

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=16294&start=0

[62des]

I still stick to my arguement that if the attraction to trannies is so called "not straight" being turned on by the feminine figure, then being turned on by a F2M tranny is straight? Not cool.

[2754tim]

Did You Ever See "Crack House Whores" or "Trailer Park Trash"? Nice Stuff

[badpress]

There definitely need to be laws protecting transgendered persons from discrimination (and I'm sorry for the things that befell you at your gig, Alison).

The laws are in place in one form or another in most western countries.
However when you work for unscrupulous corporations,and your superiors are uncomfortable about having somebody "different" on the staff(it doesn't even have to be a transexual)they will find a way round the law to get rid of you.Like you were 3 minutes late,or you took of your hard hat in a safety zone for 0.6 seconds-some crap like that.As Alison said,her company did not get her for being transexual,rather used the failure to disclose route.