why are all the fine Tgirls ESCORTING?

[Big Booty Shemale Lover]

WTF. Every time I run across a T-gal (which i might add is a very rare occassion almost a cosmic event) she's a gotdamn hooker?
WTF MAN every time it never fails.
Why can't the more attractive passable ones live normal lives like regular women? I understand that many of them go thru alot in their life and lifestyles--I know about all that. But GODDAMN why hookin? Aren't there any passable ts's out there who work regular jobs? Or live regular lives as a wife or girlfriend to somebody?
I had a convo the other day with a transexual friend of mines who said that they are looked down upon as being lesser than a "gay man" because of the way they live their lives--and its not fair.
I told her that its so many t-girls hooking their lives away thats what helps em get that bad rap.

If i meet a t-girl whose not hooking its because she's not passable.
Now thats a gotdamn shame.

Oh yeah. I need to stop looking at t-girl porn. These girls have made my tastes go uppppp. Some of these t-girls in porn are so hott they look hotter than women. Then when I see a t-girl in real life, they look likes boys wearing dresses.

Fucking shame man. :evil:

[JamesHunt]

Why can't the more attractive passable ones live normal lives like regular women?

Generally speaking, they have to pay to get to this level.

[Big Booty Shemale Lover]

Why can't the more attractive passable ones live normal lives like regular women?

Generally speaking, they have to pay to get to this level.

so what does that mean?
just cus you're not rich doesn't mean you have to look like a boy in a skirt.
Besides
people who want to look a certain way or change something aren't HOOKING to do it. Shit man if you work everyday on a normal job you can do what you want done.

[JamesHunt]

Shit man if you work everyday on a normal job you can do what you want done.

OK

[JANIRA]

WTF. Every time I run across a T-gal (which i might add is a very rare occassion almost a cosmic event) she's a gotdamn hooker?
WTF MAN every time it never fails.
Why can't the more attractive passable ones live normal lives like regular women? I understand that many of them go thru alot in their life and lifestyles--I know about all that. But GODDAMN why hookin? Aren't there any passable ts's out there who work regular jobs? Or live regular lives as a wife or girlfriend to somebody?
I had a convo the other day with a transexual friend of mines who said that they are looked down upon as being lesser than a "gay man" because of the way they live their lives--and its not fair.
I told her that its so many t-girls hooking their lives away thats what helps em get that bad rap.

If i meet a t-girl whose not hooking its because she's not passable.
Now thats a gotdamn shame.

Oh yeah. I need to stop looking at t-girl porn. These girls have made my tastes go uppppp. Some of these t-girls in porn are so hott they look hotter than women. Then when I see a t-girl in real life, they look likes boys wearing dresses.

Fucking shame man. :evil:





There are very passable girls who have regular Job. Escorting was not my first choice as far as work, hell, i didnt even like it when i began doing it , i do because it makes my ends meet faster than working a regular 9to5, i dont lose myself in my work i know what im doing. Its a job sweety, its not like we are smoking crack in allies or have some ailment , we do what we have to do to survive, this life is all about survival , and reaching your goal. Sure its not what we planned on doing , but its certainly helps., and we aint hurting nobody, well at least myself and many of the girls i know. Just because we escort does not mean that we dont have morals, or that we are rude unintelligent individuals ., we are females who in a world of diversity , and many prejudices we have to make and find our own path , and sacrafice, . Sweety , instead of judging us for what we may do for work, , you should try and celebrate us for having the gull to walk with our head held high inspite of all we had to endure and are still unduring.

[Big Booty Shemale Lover]

There are very passable girls who have regular Job. Escorting was not my first choice as far as work, hell, i didnt even like it when i began doing it , i do because it makes my ends meet faster than working a regular 9to5, i dont lose myself in my work i know what im doing. Its a job sweety, its not like we are smoking crack in allies or have some ailment , we do what we have to do to survive, this life is all about survival ,


No its not a job. Thats the first problem. Calling it something that its not.
Hooking aint a job babe. Hooking is an illegal hustle, like drug-dealing.
These people who escort can talk all the shit they want but theres no way to justify being a hooker. It aint about surviving, its PLENTY of shit to do to make money besides hooking. Thats a COP-out for just doing something you WANT to do.
It would be better off it you DID have an ailment. At least thats respectable.






and reaching your goal. Sure its not what we planned on doing , but its certainly helps., and we aint hurting nobody, well at least myself and many of the girls i know. Just because we escort does not mean that we dont have morals, or that we are rude unintelligent individuals ., we are females who in a world of diversity , and many prejudices we have to make and find our own path , and sacrafice, . Sweety , instead of judging us for what we may do for work, , you should try and celebrate us for having the gull to walk with our head held high inspite of all we had to endure and are still unduring.

I aint celebrating nobody who sells their body for a living. WTF kinda stupid shit is that. And sacrifice? What? are you kidding me? What do YOU know about sacrifice?
Its people, men and women, gay and straight, young and old, who make sacrifices everyday in order to live, and they not selling ass or dick or the corner. Its people working 2 and 3 jobs, people working on the side, people doing sales, serving plates, bussin tables, selling newspapers, washing cars, doing hair, secretaries, store clerks, janitors and the whole nine....sacrificing their desires and hopes and dreams just to be able to eat that day.
And you choose to be a hooker because working a regular 9 to 5 the money aint coming fast enuff for you. And you wanna talk about sacrifice? Get the fuck outta here.[/b]

[TJ347]

While that's not quite the way I'd have said it, that is pretty much what I've been saying all along. I mean, if we're gonna keep it real, then let's keep it real, shall we?

[Legend]

I can understand the means to survive mentality and you have understand some of those ladies are really discriminated against in the work force,i watched a program on msnbc and they wanted a girl to dress like a boy in order for her to get a job.

[TrueBeauty TS]

WTF. Every time I run across a T-gal (which i might add is a very rare occassion almost a cosmic event) she's a gotdamn hooker?
WTF MAN every time it never fails.
Why can't the more attractive passable ones live normal lives like regular women? I understand that many of them go thru alot in their life and lifestyles--I know about all that. But GODDAMN why hookin? Aren't there any passable ts's out there who work regular jobs? Or live regular lives as a wife or girlfriend to somebody?
I had a convo the other day with a transexual friend of mines who said that they are looked down upon as being lesser than a "gay man" because of the way they live their lives--and its not fair.
I told her that its so many t-girls hooking their lives away thats what helps em get that bad rap.

If i meet a t-girl whose not hooking its because she's not passable.
Now thats a gotdamn shame.

Oh yeah. I need to stop looking at t-girl porn. These girls have made my tastes go uppppp. Some of these t-girls in porn are so hott they look hotter than women. Then when I see a t-girl in real life, they look likes boys wearing dresses.

Fucking shame man. :evil:




:roll:


.

[Nowhere]

Look, I thought this was obvious, but the worst discrimination in the US against any group is against transitioning girls. In most states there are no laws protecting them and even if there is, companies often can make some sort of arbitary reason for firing them (since ALL girls must go through some degree of an 'awkward' phase), leaving them high and dry, often with no home due to their parents, roommates, friends and everyone they know kicking them out to the curb.

There have been COUNTLESS examples of people becoming fired soon after transitioning, so much that i'd expect it to happen, 95 times out of 100 (hence the reason I was so angry about the ENDA bill - tgirls need it 1000x more than gays).

So, they're on the street with no job, and guess what? No one will hire them, either, given the uncomfortability society has with the androgeny that exists until all of the physical transition is done.

So, they're really only left with hooking, and that's that.

You see the results of money spent on the transitioning AFTER such a thing is done, and the girls probably do earn more and more money as they do it, but you can't forget that scenario, which is typical of what most girls go through.

Now, given awareness via TV and the net, some girls are being bold enough to transition early enough so that they don't need much surgery, and a smaller group of them have parents that support them (like in Transgeneration). So, those girls have the best odds of having their life turn out peachy keen like you imagine, but you must remember that is the exception, not the rule.

It's still the dark ages, sad to say.

And, that's why you see what you see.

[JANIRA]

. (((((((( " Walk a mile in another man shoes.")))))))))))

[tsfarrah]

Escorting is a job hunni!

get real! this is the real world!

everyone knows that escorting brings in more money than a regular job!

and in most cases without the hassle of small minded people being abusive to us in the work place

plus being in the porn industry and escorting is a much quicker way of getting surgeries etc...

we dont wanna spend our whole lives trying to acieve our final look!

it seems you have a real problem with ts girls escorting but at the same time they seem to be the only ones you wanna date!

[tsntx]

why is it that all that old, ugly, losers w/ nothing to offer.... think they should get the creme de la creme of ts girls for FREE?


idiots

not to mention "worlds oldest PROFESSION"

[TrueBeauty TS]

it seems you have a real problem with ts girls escorting but at the same time they seem to be the only ones you wanna date!


You nailed it. +5



:claps


.

[OEMEnemyNum1]

why is it that all that old, ugly, losers w/ nothing to offer.... think they should get it the creme de la creme of ts girls for FREE?


idiots


Damn straight, thats why I save money and use date rape drugs. it's cheaper if you buy in bulk.

[JANIRA]

why is it that all that old, ugly, losers w/ nothing to offer.... think they should get it the creme de la creme of ts girls for FREE?


idiots


Damn straight, thats why I save money and use date rape drugs. it's cheaper if you buy in bulk.


lolll i like that one.... :D

btw thanks for the note verrrrrrrrry sweety... :wink:

[OEMEnemyNum1]

why is it that all that old, ugly, losers w/ nothing to offer.... think they should get it the creme de la creme of ts girls for FREE?


idiots


Damn straight, thats why I save money and use date rape drugs. it's cheaper if you buy in bulk.


lolll i like that one.... :D

btw thanks for the note verrrrrrrrry sweety... :wink:


No problem here, keep the posts coming. It's nice to see everyone's POV on here. Oh and btw, I was kidding with the drugs. I try to choke out the girls first..........

[Big Booty Shemale Lover]

Escorting is a job hunni!

get real! this is the real world!

everyone knows that escorting brings in more money than a regular job!

and in most cases without the hassle of small minded people being abusive to us in the work place

plus being in the porn industry and escorting is a much quicker way of getting surgeries etc...

we dont wanna spend our whole lives trying to acieve our final look!



Every time a hooker calls what she does a "job" she disrespects people who actually WORK for a living. If hooking was a job it wouldnt be illegal damn near everywhere in this country.



it seems you have a real problem with ts girls escorting but at the same time they seem to be the only ones you wanna date!

If you had actually comprehended my post you would have been able to see that tgirls BEING hookers is WHY I DONT WANT TO DATE THEM.

Anybody can go get a hoe, a whore. Anybody. Its sex out there when theres NOTHING ELSE. Its a gotdamn shame that people have to sell themselves to get a "certain look". Thats bullshit. That same look can be achieved without gettin fucked in the ass by some total stranger or gobbling a random dick for cash. Thats being a whore. And being a whore is never a real job. You can call it what you want all day.
I expect call girls, working girls, escorts, prostitutes, hoes, to be mad at what I say because i'm knocking their HUSTLE.
Hustle. Get it? Hustle meaning not an actual job.

[Big Booty Shemale Lover]

Look, I thought this was obvious, but the worst discrimination in the US against any group is against transitioning girls. In most states there are no laws protecting them and even if there is, companies often can make some sort of arbitary reason for firing them (since ALL girls must go through some degree of an 'awkward' phase), leaving them high and dry, often with no home due to their parents, roommates, friends and everyone they know kicking them out to the curb.

There have been COUNTLESS examples of people becoming fired soon after transitioning, so much that i'd expect it to happen, 95 times out of 100 (hence the reason I was so angry about the ENDA bill - tgirls need it 1000x more than gays).

So, they're on the street with no job, and guess what? No one will hire them, either, given the uncomfortability society has with the androgeny that exists until all of the physical transition is done.

So, they're really only left with hooking, and that's that.

You see the results of money spent on the transitioning AFTER such a thing is done, and the girls probably do earn more and more money as they do it, but you can't forget that scenario, which is typical of what most girls go through.

Now, given awareness via TV and the net, some girls are being bold enough to transition early enough so that they don't need much surgery, and a smaller group of them have parents that support them (like in Transgeneration). So, those girls have the best odds of having their life turn out peachy keen like you imagine, but you must remember that is the exception, not the rule.

It's still the dark ages, sad to say.

And, that's why you see what you see.

Finally an answer that makes SENSE. Thank you.

[tsntx]

:violin

omg mary stfu

[OEMEnemyNum1]

:violin

omg mary stfu
:moon

[Big Booty Shemale Lover]

why is it that all that old, ugly, losers w/ nothing to offer.... think they should get the creme de la creme of ts girls for FREE?


idiots

not to mention "worlds oldest PROFESSION"

I'm not old or ugly, or a loser, so I wouldnt know how those guys think.
Prostitution being the oldest profession. You do know thats a cliche' right?

If we lived our life by cliche's the world would be even MORE FUCKED up than it already is.

[Big Booty Shemale Lover]

:violin

omg mary stfu

Why don't you mind your business. Are you a hoe?
If not then YOU STFU cus this dont concern you, ok casanova?

[tsfarrah]

Escorting is a job hunni!

get real! this is the real world!

everyone knows that escorting brings in more money than a regular job!

and in most cases without the hassle of small minded people being abusive to us in the work place

plus being in the porn industry and escorting is a much quicker way of getting surgeries etc...

we dont wanna spend our whole lives trying to acieve our final look!



Every time a hooker calls what she does a "job" she disrespects people who actually WORK for a living. If hooking was a job it wouldnt be illegal damn near everywhere in this country.



it seems you have a real problem with ts girls escorting but at the same time they seem to be the only ones you wanna date!

If you had actually comprehended my post you would have been able to see that tgirls BEING hookers is WHY I DONT WANT TO DATE THEM.

Anybody can go get a hoe, a whore. Anybody. Its sex out there when theres NOTHING ELSE. Its a gotdamn shame that people have to sell themselves to get a "certain look". Thats bullshit. That same look can be achieved without gettin fucked in the ass by some total stranger or gobbling a random dick for cash. Thats being a whore. And being a whore is never a real job. You can call it what you want all day.
I expect call girls, working girls, escorts, prostitutes, hoes, to be mad at what I say because i'm knocking their HUSTLE.
Hustle. Get it? Hustle meaning not an actual job.







Escorting is not illegal in the UK and it is a proper job its been around longer that whatever it is you do!

it does NOT make somone a bad person, people like YOU do when you come onto a transgendered board and speak about people like shit and then wonder why no one wants to date your sorry ASS!

grow up and open your eyes!

[yodajazz]

There are passable girls who are not escorting. But guess what, a lot of them are passing. They are not advertising their ts status. But there are some out there. People have friends, if your nice enough for them to want to introduce you. That's way it pays to be nice to people, and not to judge them.

I did see someone post the price given to them for facial feminization surgery costing $35-40,000.00. That's a lot of money for most of us. I can relate to a person being down on escorting as a profession, but it's not a lifelong profession anyway. Jesus Christ did not turn away the friendship of a woman who was a prostitute. I see him as being a good example.

Lastly, long ago I did not pursue a relationship with a woman who was an exotic dancer, because I was concerned about what other people thought. I later came to recognize that was a mistake.

[tsfarrah]

Escorting is a job hunni!

get real! this is the real world!

everyone knows that escorting brings in more money than a regular job!

and in most cases without the hassle of small minded people being abusive to us in the work place

plus being in the porn industry and escorting is a much quicker way of getting surgeries etc...

we dont wanna spend our whole lives trying to acieve our final look!



Every time a hooker calls what she does a "job" she disrespects people who actually WORK for a living. If hooking was a job it wouldnt be illegal damn near everywhere in this country.



it seems you have a real problem with ts girls escorting but at the same time they seem to be the only ones you wanna date!

If you had actually comprehended my post you would have been able to see that tgirls BEING hookers is WHY I DONT WANT TO DATE THEM.

Anybody can go get a hoe, a whore. Anybody. Its sex out there when theres NOTHING ELSE. Its a gotdamn shame that people have to sell themselves to get a "certain look". Thats bullshit. That same look can be achieved without gettin fucked in the ass by some total stranger or gobbling a random dick for cash. Thats being a whore. And being a whore is never a real job. You can call it what you want all day.
I expect call girls, working girls, escorts, prostitutes, hoes, to be mad at what I say because i'm knocking their HUSTLE.
Hustle. Get it? Hustle meaning not an actual job.







Escorting is not illegal in the UK and it is a proper job its been around longer that whatever it is you do!

it does NOT make somone a bad person, people like YOU do when you come onto a transgendered board and speak about people like shit and then wonder why no one wants to date your sorry ASS!

grow up and open your eyes!

hes not talking about the UK!I know that!

but he's bad mouthing escorts!

regardless of the country!

[arnie666]

Actually some of these high level escorts are quite the liitle businesswomen! I can totally understand the attraction for girls to do this. You can make serious money fast, and I agree who wants to spend years getting the money together for surgeries etc. If you live somewhere like London where the cost of living is horrendous, and averages wages are so low. Not only do they need to eat but they have to pay for hormones , surgery etc.It's not cheap.

And I wouldn't say it's the easy way out either. You may well get clients who hit every single branch of the ugly tree on the way down. And you still need to appear professional and make them feel like hot stuff.Or you might get a shit review. You need great people skills as well as a nice body. You get abusive clients too , perhaps hassle from wives and girlfriends. And despite it being legal in the UK there is still stigma towards escort work.

I take my hat off to them. In fact I considered it to supplement my regular income but my job is pretty strict about moonlighting and I can't see them wanting me working as an escort.Even if it is seeing women. Plus I doubt there are many str8 male sescorts about! I don't think they have anything to be ashamed of! personally I hate lawyers and Journo's far more , they are the biggest whores on this planet.Bunch of cunts.

[iloveshemales77]

...personally I hate lawyers and Journo's far more , they are the biggest whores on this planet.Bunch of cunts.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
You forgot estate agents, drug dealers and politicians
(and my former boss)

[BADAZZBODY]

interesting post but i will not.. go their on this topic..cause..men dont understand the life of a ts until they live n our shoes...they only on the outside looking in with their dicks..and empty pockets..,

[cheez]

actually the only problem I have with escorting is that in many cases it colors the T-girl and g-girl perspective in relationships with men forever.
How many girls think it doesn't affect the way they look at men?

[Quinn]

WTF. Every time I run across a T-gal (which i might add is a very rare occassion almost a cosmic event) she's a gotdamn hooker?
WTF MAN every time it never fails.
Why can't the more attractive passable ones live normal lives like regular women? I understand that many of them go thru alot in their life and lifestyles--I know about all that. But GODDAMN why hookin? Aren't there any passable ts's out there who work regular jobs? Or live regular lives as a wife or girlfriend to somebody?
I had a convo the other day with a transexual friend of mines who said that they are looked down upon as being lesser than a "gay man" because of the way they live their lives--and its not fair.
I told her that its so many t-girls hooking their lives away thats what helps em get that bad rap.

If i meet a t-girl whose not hooking its because she's not passable.
Now thats a gotdamn shame.

Oh yeah. I need to stop looking at t-girl porn. These girls have made my tastes go uppppp. Some of these t-girls in porn are so hott they look hotter than women. Then when I see a t-girl in real life, they look likes boys wearing dresses.

Fucking shame man. :evil:

You're looking in the wrong place; that is, "the scene," is thick with escorts. Operate away from the scene (no simple task), and you will find attractive TS women who aren't escorts. I've done it for years.

-Quinn

[tsfarrah]

I've actually been with my bf for 8yrs in January

it can be done if you are both stable people

[BBaggins06]

:violin

omg mary stfu

Why don't you mind your business. Are you a hoe?
If not then YOU STFU cus this dont concern you, ok casanova?


Hey Lust! Pass me some of that there popcorn, ok? :popcorn

[tsmandy]

As far as laws here in the states are concerned....

Prostitution and escorting were legal for the vast majority of US history. Portland, OR where I live had legalized brothels up until the 1970's. What happened? Well, a major revival in Calvinist doctrine and Christian fundamentalism. All over the country you can go find the once thriving brothels that were shut down when religious bigots had power and needed a scapegoat.

Of course any understanding of history, any nuance of opinion is probably lost in this case.

So why do we escort?

Well, when I started transitioning, I lost my job. Then I found out that my employers had exploited a loophole in accounting and had never paid into the unemployment insurance fund. I was no longer able to make ends meet, and I was no longer able to find a new job. My family cut off all ties with me, my friends were supportive but spread out around the country. So I spent the next 3 years hitch-hiking, squatting, and couch surfing working some of the absolute worst jobs a human being can imagine, and living in extreme poverty.

Finally some non-trans women that were my friends set me up on sessions with clients of theirs. After living for years with the certainty that poverty would ultimately destroy me, I did what I had to do to stay alive. And you know what? I'm a healthier person now. I'm a happier person. I've had a home, and a stable partner this entire time. Hell, we even own our home together. So for me, escorting wasn't just a quick fix, it saved my life.

I'm sorry you want to date trans-girls but have so little empathy for the hard decisions we are forced to make.

Much love to all the other girls that stick up for themselves, and all the guys that stand by us.

[tsfarrah]

As far as laws here in the states are concerned....

Prostitution and escorting were legal for the vast majority of US history. Portland, OR where I live had legalized brothels up until the 1970's. What happened? Well, a major revival in Calvinist doctrine and Christian fundamentalism. All over the country you can go find the once thriving brothels that were shut down when religious bigots had power and needed a scapegoat.

Of course any understanding of history, any nuance of opinion is probably lost in this case.

So why do we escort?

Well, when I started transitioning, I lost my job. Then I found out that my employers had exploited a loophole in accounting and had never paid into the unemployment insurance fund. I was no longer able to make ends meet, and I was no longer able to find a new job. My family cut off all ties with me, my friends were supportive but spread out around the country. So I spent the next 3 years hitch-hiking, squatting, and couch surfing working some of the absolute worst jobs a human being can imagine, and living in extreme poverty.

Finally some non-trans women that were my friends set me up on sessions with clients of theirs. After living for years with the certainty that poverty would ultimately destroy me, I did what I had to do to stay alive. And you know what? I'm a healthier person now. I'm a happier person. I've had a home, and a stable partner this entire time. Hell, we even own our home together. So for me, escorting wasn't just a quick fix, it saved my life.

I'm sorry you want to date trans-girls but have so little empathy for the hard decisions we are forced to make.

Much love to all the other girls that stick up for themselves, and all the guys that stand by us.well said girl x

[solohansoso]

lots of people have hangups about prostitution. i have been in the workforce for a while and have felt like a whore many times. as some creep in the cubicle across from me screws me, i know that i'm not being compinsated at all for it and hating the hell out of it. what the fuck's the difference if you're working three jobs just to make ends meet or your making good money by being an escort? it's an individual choice.

it's kind of a supply and demand thing. :)

[trish]

Big Booty Shemale Lover complains:
I'm not old or ugly, or a loser,…

That’s just clearly false. You’re mind set is ancient, your soul is ugly and you confess to being a frustrated loser with the tgirls.


Every time a hooker calls what she does a "job" she disrespects people who actually WORK for a living.

Seems you’re the one doing all the disrespecting around here. I fucking WORKED my way through undergraduate school escorting. I can vouch for the fact that it’s a JOB. JOB, JOB, JOB. Now that I’m out of graduate school, have two advanced degrees and hold what you would call a real job, I’m in a position to compare. So let’s see….hmmmmm…..yeah….escorting IS a JOB. It’s a job, it’s a job, it’s a job, job, job, job, job, job, JOB. Get used to it loser, 'cause the only way a girl's gonna put up with you for any amount of time is if she gets paid.

[SarahG]

No its not a job. Thats the first problem. Calling it something that its not.
Hooking aint a job babe. Hooking is an illegal hustle, like drug-dealing.
These people who escort can talk all the shit they want but theres no way to justify being a hooker. It aint about surviving, its PLENTY of shit to do to make money besides hooking. Thats a COP-out for just doing something you WANT to do.
It would be better off it you DID have an ailment. At least thats respectable.


But it IS a job, rather you agree with it or not is another matter entirely. I know I am biased on this issue because of the environment I grew up in, but prostitution is perfectly legal in at least one US state- Nevada, and that is without getting into other (debatibly more civilized...) western societies where legality is more widespread.

The only reason why it is illegal here so often is because our nation is, in terms of sex related issues across the board, oppressive and prudish on a good day. We have had states where anal sex is illegal, as well sex toys, tattoos (still illegal in at least one state).... we wouldn't be having this thread if we were talking about tattoo artists in Oklahoma for instance.

Discrimination is a real and vivid issue here, and it really does not matter one ounce if a state has antidiscrimination laws protecting gender identity or gender expression... employers have a virtually unchecked ability to control the firing & hiring practices in terms of trans applicants/employees especially given the ease of dropping someone with some BS line. The difference between a state with antidiscriminatory laws and ones without is the later the employer can flat out say "we're not hiring you because we dont' want freaks working here" whereas the first would say something like "you're over/under qualified or not what we're looking for at this time."

This is the price we pay for having overzealous, powerful religious fundamentalist faction groups in power. But not every girl is a prostitute, that's just one of the (many) stereotypes out there it seems. Are there more tgirls who are prostitutes than other demographics? I would think so, but that is more of a reflection of the environment than anything else.

Consider someone transitioning in their early 20s, they're adults and independent so unless they have really supportive rich parents that means they're on their own to pay for their trans related expenses. How does that happen? If they're just another 'poor college student' like their stereotypical nontrans peers its not gonna be from liquidating assets (like middleaged transitioners can- think cars, real estate, stock sales etc), and if they never went to college their income potential in a 9to5 job is severely effected. What does that logically leave?

[Nikka]

I DO NOT ESCORT, I NEVER DID.... and hope NEVER WILL...........

[Night Rider]

why are all the fine Tgirls ESCORTING?


It doesn't take a genius to figure it out. Tgirl escorts are in high demand and it's an extremely well paid job.

[Nikka]

why are all the fine Tgirls ESCORTING?


It doesn't take a genius to figure it out. Tgirl escorts are in high demand and it's an extremely well paid job.

easy math :mrgreen:

[Night Rider]

easy indeed ;)

[LBCDO]

Nothing more that I can add to it. But if all of these girls you "meet" tel you they are TSs, maybe its your approach? Because a lot of the girls that Ive met told me everything but, but I knew the deal. Ive heard dancer, model, video assistant, stewardess for a small airline, salesrep, everything to explain why she would have to go out of town at the spur of a moment, or why she had to leave suddenly becasue we had a general interest and she was thinking telling me would scare me away

Either way, whats the difference from the girls in porn and the ones escorting? Yet you admit yourself that you watch TS porn. Sooo....???

The TS "passable" look is very expensive. I work a 9-5, and the price for laser eye surgery is enough to make it where Im going to colombia next year to get it done. So imagine all the work that goes into the look?

I used to go out with a girl that had a really supportive family and she started transitioning at 14 and she is very passable, but that has been what Ive been hearing a lot. As said before, a lot of people are abandoned by family, and how many jobs will hire a transitioning TS?

Obviously you are dense if you couldnt figure out on your own that the lifestyle cost money. You sound like a rich kid who had mommy and daddy's money all your life criticizing people in housing projects. You have no ideal

Ive met TSs that work jobs like fast food and restaurants, but how much does that really pay? Then how much would be dumped on surgery so a dick can come and say "You're not passable because of your hands" blah blah blah

[macfan]

I used to feel the exact same way about the whole escorting thing as the original poster, but as mentioned by many here the world isn't so clear cut as we would like to think. There are real world issues these ladies deal with that no guy or GG could begin to confont and thereby a lot of slack has to be cut. I understand for these ladies the whole escort thing is a BUSINESS means to an end. It's not like doctors are lining up to give free surgeries to make many of these ladies passable. As long as the lady is using the escorting route to achieve a better position in the long run then I have no issues with that.

I realize they aren't going to come fresh off the Midwest farm in Iowa and be all smooth, femme and passable for this black daddy :) As long as there is a bigger goal in mind, cool with me.

[Mr_Choc69]

Nothing more that I can add to it. But if all of these girls you "meet" tel you they are TSs, maybe its your approach? Because a lot of the girls that Ive met told me everything but, but I knew the deal. Ive heard dancer, model, video assistant, stewardess for a small airline, salesrep, everything to explain why she would have to go out of town at the spur of a moment, or why she had to leave suddenly becasue we had a general interest and she was thinking telling me would scare me away

Either way, whats the difference from the girls in porn and the ones escorting? Yet you admit yourself that you watch TS porn. Sooo....???

The TS "passable" look is very expensive. I work a 9-5, and the price for laser eye surgery is enough to make it where Im going to colombia next year to get it done. So imagine all the work that goes into the look?

I used to go out with a girl that had a really supportive family and she started transitioning at 14 and she is very passable, but that has been what Ive been hearing a lot. As said before, a lot of people are abandoned by family, and how many jobs will hire a transitioning TS?

Obviously you are dense if you couldnt figure out on your own that the lifestyle cost money. You sound like a rich kid who had mommy and daddy's money all your life criticizing people in housing projects. You have no ideal

Ive met TSs that work jobs like fast food and restaurants, but how much does that really pay? Then how much would be dumped on surgery so a dick can come and say "You're not passable because of your hands" blah blah blah

Very True

[BADAZZBODY]

I think u understand y..girls need to survive..girls need surg hormones in order to look passable being third sexed is not the most excepting lifestyle.

Unlike alot of mature men that decide to turn into ts after a long working history, that uses social security retirement funds, saved up money or probably had their own company for their transitionn all,

Its a struggle..trying to buy expensive hormones and ...major surguries ffs implants etc..

Working a job or going to school and being able to do this..especially without a family supporting u, or paying for u to transition.

Most families when u are transitioning no matter if they except u or not. are not gonna put up that type of money for u to tranform your self into something u wasnt born..

U cannot wake up and look like a women...Its a sad shame that girls got to do this..but trust me most of the girls u look at and lust for..if they didnt do this they wouldnt look as good as they look to u....now would u want that..

Im sure most girls dreams are not to do this forever..most of us what to achieve our look..and comfortablity..other endevors then..live our lives as a female, get a nice well paying job, buy a home, get your own business ..and someone to live it up with.and eventually get out the business.. its a jorney..

[hippifried]

So let’s see….hmmmmm…..yeah….escorting IS a JOB. It’s a job, it’s a job, it’s a job, job, job, job, job, job, JOB. Get used to it loser, 'cause the only way a girl's gonna put up with you for any amount of time is if she gets paid.
LOL!

I don't know why guys have problems with hookers. Is it just some macho "I'm too good to pay up front" thingie? It's actually cheaper than "conventional" dating & there's no maybes. If you're just looking to get laid, why jump through all those damn hoops? & of course the great thing about dealing with the pros is that when you're done, they leave. You never have to negotiate the hanging pantyhose forest just to get to the can. :lol:

[TJ347]

Escorting is a job, just as street corner pharmaceutical sales is a job... Hell, anything you do that you wouldn't do if you didn't need the money is a job, right? Robbing people (but for a living, mind you... I mean, you need to eat, and what other options are there besides robbing people to do that?) is therefore a job. Stealing cars? Also a job.

Not quite...

Due to a need to justify what we do for a living, among other things, we often put up insurmountable walls so as to protect us from reality, so the fact is continuing to argue this issue is pointless. As has already been said, there is a difference between a job and a hustle. There's some amount of work involved in both to be sure, but that doesn't make a hustle a job. I did say arguing about this was pointless, didn't I? Well, let me conclude with this before I move on...

You know, at the end of the day, it always comes down to how easy it is to make money escorting versus having a real job, and I see that coming from the ladies in this thread who escort early, unsurprisingly. While I'm sure it's not the easiest thing on earth for a TS to get a good job due to her particular "situation", it's not like it hasn't been done before, and I can think of a few women here off the top of my head who have legit jobs. The truth is, which so many of you don't want to acknowledge, that the majority of you are too lazy to work at a real job, and probably gave it little if any consideration before settling on the escort gig. Now, I'm not knocking your hustle, but let's be honest for a change... Even if you could make the same money at a legit job and could get the job, few if any of you would even bother trying because the amount of freetime you currently enjoy would be infringed. You don't want to work a real job, period, end of sentence... And having an option available by which you don't have to, yet can make good money for your hour or two of trouble, you don't. THE END.

[TJ347]

Take my cock up your "END". The fucking nerve you have to make our lives sound like some cake walk and say that we're lazy, you fucking armchair critic. Wtf do you know about our lives? The price WE pay is to survive in a fucked up world that mostly doesn't understand or accept us. We pay it everyday. We pay by living with the fear that we are expendable second class citizens.

Did I say you particularly were lazy? Because I could have sworn that I expressed the opinion that the majority of escorts were lazy, which I only arrived at because of the overwhelming number of escorts who immediately go into how they make more money escorting than they could at a real job everytime someone asks why they don't have a real job, indicating quite clearly, IMHO, how lazy said individuals are. Don't turn this into a case of me devaluing the life you live as a transsexual, because this isn't that, nor would anyone who didn't have a bug up their ass read it in that way. Funny how no one seems to be entitled to any opinion that you don't agree with...


And you think you're any better for coming here and looking at porn? You think you're any better because you only figuratively suck someone's dick with a "straight" job? Fuck you and your lofty morality. Escorting is a victimless crime, so don't compare it to stealing cars or robbing people, you sanctimonious asshole. But ultimately we don't have to explain or justify anything to you. If you don't like, don't bother with us. I doubt any of us will care.

I don't think I said at any time I was better, nor would I say that I was better for coming here and looking at porn. Clearly you've missed the occasionally insightful posts I make? Yes, we lowly males can come here and do something other than look at porn pics... SURPRISE!!! And "lofty morality"? Hardly. It's a personal opinion, which like it or not, I'm entitled to as much as you. And as far as comparing escorting to stealing cars and robbing people... clearly you missed that I was differentiating all of those things from actual jobs, not comparing them to each other. But, in a rush to be rude, you missed the point of my post, which I expected would happen, to be honest, if not by you then by some other escort who missed my meaning. In any event, you certainly don't have to explain or justify anything to me, but you also don't need to go off half-cocked because you think I said something I didn't. Though you'd truthfully be just as mad either way, now that I think about it.

And so, you know what? Nevermind. There's no way I'll ever be able to get an honest dialogue going here on anything of substance anyway, so long as any of you have to face reality. Thus... fuck it.

[loSTdoLLbaBY]

"why are all the fine Tgirls escorting?"


- because if not for the escorting .....sorry, there would be no "fine" to be seen.

simple answer to a simple question. you can't get from boy to gorgeous without a buttload of money and time to heal from surgeries.... is it a "job" maybe not in the strictest of sense, but it sure isn't for fun and it's one of the hardest things you'd ever do.

go ahead try it.....Fuck a bunch of losers in a day- sound like fun? now do it every day, EVERY DAMN DAY, with the occasional gem thrown in there cause they can't all be rotten apples- but some smell (b.o. /bad breath/nasty feet), some are rude or rough, all want more from you than you want to give, the possibility of physical harm or possible arrest some yucky std (not just aids, but any std)...add it all up.

it's awful- glad i quit. would i go back?

hmmm....good question (some days i wish i would)
but no, I pass, I have begun to build ties with my family again and I have a decent real world job (ten freakin hours a day- make in a week what i used to make in a day...but i feel the trade off is worth it for me-peace of mind, no threat of dying from some disease or some client and i get to sleep soundly through the night)

would i tell you i'm transsexual if i met you in real life? hell, fuck no! I keep that shit to myself.

[justatransgirl]

I just read the first page of this thread.

What I just don't understand is why guys like the one who started this thread come to a site devoted to transsexual porn and prostitution and then disrespect the girls for what they do.

So that's great that some guys are so hot or cheap, that they wouldn't consider paying an escort.

But the next time you feel compelled to complain about t-girls and what they do for a living, or you feel compelled to complain about how someone looks ask yourself this.

When was the last time you introduced a t-girl to your friends and family? Or took her to your company picnic?

And how many transsexuals have you or your company hired at the median average annual income - which in my town is $67,000 a year?

So I'm sorry, lately I'm been getting a bit short on tolerance lately.

Sigh,
TS Jamie :-)

PS: Nice to see you back Nichole - it's probably a mistake... I'm just here for the money... giggle.

[tsntx]

But the next time you feel compelled to complain about t-girls and what they do for a living, or you feel compelled to complain about how someone looks ask yourself this.

When was the last time you introduced a t-girl to your friends and family? Or took her to your company picnic?

And how many transsexuals have you or your company hired at the median average annual income - which in my town is $67,000 a year?

So I'm sorry, lately I'm been getting a bit short on tolerance lately.

Sigh,
TS Jamie :-)

EXACTLY... if the answer is ZERO... save your coins and invest in the best you can find... enjoy your time, and be thankful you got the opportunity

[AllanahStarrNYC]

People have no idea the effort or sacrifices you have to make in life when you are a transsexual-
And for most of us, one of those sacrifices is sex work.

I had plenty of love from my family-but no one ever handed my $20,000 and said here go remove the hair of your face, pay for hormones, silicone, surgery etc.

People who think that working ads as on escort is not a job they are mistaken.

It's a full time job trust me. From running ads, booking trips, answering the phone- it is a difficult and stressful job. Not to mention that it can be dangerous.
But again you do what you have to do to survive and make sacrifices to get what you want or get.

Don't tell me it is not- I did it for years.

And why is being an escort or prostitute not respectable?
Very respectable, infulential, powerful. wealthy people hire escorts.

Are people who sell sex second class citezens?

What is so bad about two consenting adults exchanging adult services?

It's this country's war on sex and erotica that is not respectable.

Practically everywhere else in the world being a prostitute or an escort is legal or tolerated by law.

It's really sad that sex workers are perscuted as such int he US when there are so many, many relevant social problems affecting us.

And to answer the question posted from this topic- it's because most transsexuals lesarn early on that most men are just interested in sex from them, and hell- if everyone just wants to use you for sex- why not charge for it?

[Anubis1079]

I gotta agree with the ladies on this. Prostitution is a job, it was just made illegal in recent times. Up until the 70's it was common practice for men to visit brothels, then the crazy-religious got the power and started shutting them down. And coincidently, the divorce rate in the country has skyrocketed and kids are growing up in split families where they don't get a decent upbringing and turn into to the generation of degenerate asses that I see every day (apparently, at some point over the past decade or so, ignorance and stupidity have become things that the youth strive for, WTF?!).
When you get your haircut or have a maid clean your house, what are you doing? Paying for a service. The same thing that prostitutes provide, a service. One that has been around for ages and will and should be around for many more.
Don't get me wrong, I probably wouldn't date a prostitute and have only used them 2-3 times in my 28 years, but I would never judge them, put them down, belittle them or disrespect them in any way. They are doing their job because they either want to or have to. And who could blame them? The money is good and it sure beats living on the streets and struggling in poverty.
And why in the blue hell would you post something like that on this forum? Did you read the name of the forum? Or did you just type 'forum' into a search engine so you could complain like a little bitch that you can't get a woman because you are.....IGNORANT AND STUPID.

[TJ347]

I'm in no rush to be rude nor am I going off half-cocked, so don't assume I am. In fact, you're the one who's clearly doing both. And don't backpedal after you made such contemptuous generalizations and dumb comparisons. You just equated escorting with being a thief, because you don't see either as an "actual job".

I'm being rude, in your opinion, because I'm stating my opinion. Is that correct? Anyway, I explained myself quite clearly in the last post, so if you continue to think I'm trying to backpedal, then by all means do so. That said, I don't backpedal. When I'm wrong, I'm wrong and acknowledge it, but I don't ever try to pretend I meant one thing when I really meant another, just because someone gets pissed. I say what I want to say, what I mean to say, always, as I've said since I first came here. No one here is so special, no icon so sacred, that I would ever say something I didn't believe to ingratiate myself with them, including you. That's not to say I want to create a problem with you or anyone else, but if someone not kissing your ass is a problem for you, or if the fact I'm not afraid to express an unpopular opinion is a problem for you, then you and I are gonna have problems. It's unavoidable.


And your "personal opinion' holds no weight when you've never faced ANY of the things the people you're insulting have had to. I also don't see anything resembling an attempt to have an "honest dialogue when you're making those types of statements and saying "the end" and "period". But I'm supposedly so unreasonable that you now just want to say "nevermind"? Again, to me, that sounds like you can't back up what you're saying, and you're the one who's really going off half-cocked here?

I've never faced ANY of the things the people I'm insulting have had to, huh? Like what? Discrimination? Check. A desire to make easy money? Check. But, you don't know anything about my life to say that, though you're always the first one to say shit like "if you aren't a TS, then don't talk about the issues we face", like transsexuals own exclusive rights to being discriminated against, beaten and even killed for simply being. But we all know history's replete with this group and that one that went through that, and go through that. Yours is yet another on that list, but far from the only one, and it offends me that this kind of self-pity (which is how I see it) is used by so many people who are oppressed as an excuse to avoid acknowledging shortcomings they're responsible for in other areas... but I digress.

Anyway, sorry if what I said offended you, but it is what I believe to be true, in light of any evidence to the contrary, again going by what has been posted by various escorts. Now, I'm sure there are escorts who would like to do something other than escort, but have few other options, though it remains my opinion such people are in the minority. Some time ago, Peggygee put up info on legit jobs... How many women do you think bothered to check into that, or contacted her, despite the fact she expressed her willingness to help them find work? Now that's what I call fucking lazy. You can curse me from now to the day this board shuts down Nicole, but if these women wanted legit jobs, they'd have inquired, no? And so, those that didn't, are fucking lazy, because they don't really want a real job. That's my opinion, and the thing with Peggy is largely how I came to that conclusion with respect to my original "lazy" post, just so you know. Hard to argue facts like that, but I'd love to hear it. There's my request for honest dialogue...

[MrsKellyPierce]

Go Nicole, good lord you are so right on so many of those points. TJ does come across as abrasive and intrusive, but he never sees that, he only looks at others being that way towards him.

[TJ347]

Go Nicole, good lord you are so right on so many of those points. TJ does come across as abrasive and intrusive, but he never sees that, he only looks at others being that way towards him.

Kelly, I know YOU of all people on this forum aren't talking about how someone can't see things from another person's point of view! That's the height of comedy, I swear! Like you ever have a clue what other people are talking about, or give a shit before you start running your mouth.

Now then, instead of doing what you among so many others to be sure do so well, namely co-signing anything a "sister" says without even bothering to understand the topic being discussed, how about you challenge yourself to take a minute and assess what the hell is going on and think about how you can add in some meaningful way to the discussion, rather than throw out your usual random comment that is completely irrelevant to the matter at hand, and serves as little more than a reminder as to why you should focus your attention on crap threads like "Jamie Lynn Spears Pregnant", and leave people who can be serious for more than five minutes and aren't simply here because they're "bored" to discuss matters of greater gravity in peace.

I'm sure that's way too much to ask though, now isn't it? And so the inanity and insanity will continue...

[MrsKellyPierce]

I know exactly what Nicole is talking about, being pre-judged, not making the money at a 9 to 5 job for transition. When most of that money goes to bills. I know exactly what she means by second class since I had to fight my way to get into high school, college, jobs, etc just being a transsexual. I had to prove them wrong, and I DID. TJ you take everything as an attack, and you retalliate with an attack. Why I don't know, but you do. You can't take jokes on a message board and/or chatroom, you take things so serious. Again DON'T KNOW WHY? Maybe when you give me insight on that I'll understand you better. For now...GO NICOLE...and FYI TJ what I do understand about you is that you like to belittle people rather you agree or not. YOU DO IT ALL THE TIME! I am not going to argue with you though.

[Steve-Oh]

TJ, Why don't you take a shit in your hand and slap yourself!

There aren't many of us here who give a fat rat's ass about your self-righteous, judgemental opinions.

They are opinions and everyone is entitled to them but in this topic, nobody wants to accept yours as facts.

If you could learn how to better articulate your thoughts, maybe you'd be shown a little more respect.

Get over yourself!

[MrsKellyPierce]

TJ, Why don't you take a shit in your hand and slap yourself!

There aren't many of us here who give a fat rat's ass about your self-righteous, judgemental opinions.

They are opinions and everyone is entitled to them but in this topic, nobody wants to accept yours as facts.

If you could learn how to better articulate your thoughts, maybe you'd be shown a little more respect.

Get over yourself! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[GroobySteven]

If hooking was a job it wouldnt be illegal damn near everywhere in this country.


We're not talking about the USA are we? A country with more people in prison than any other country? That imprisons people for having marijuana, that executes people of an IQ deemed to be retarded in most places as well as people who committed the crimes at a young level? A country which doesn't allow it's own citizens to drink until 21 yet forces them through economic strife to go to fight for their corporations? A country which allows handguns to be easily bought, a country which allows their politicians to be easily bought?

In any civilised country, prostitution is either decriminalised or turned a blind eye too. The morals in your country, caused by Christian political agenda, keep it illegal. Escorting, prostitution, adult work IS a job.
There are plenty of tgirls out there who don't escort that you can meet, maybe you should take a good look at the attitude your projecting.

Don't hate on people for taking the easiest opportunity to make money, just because your personal morals dislike it. I work a very hard job - and it pays well, it may be distasteful to some but working equally hard at McDonalds for a fraction of the pay, just doesn't seem to appeal. Jobs which you think are morally ok, may be as distasteful to me as prostitution is to you.

seanchai

[TJ347]

I know exactly what Nicole is talking about, being pre-judged, not making the money at a 9 to 5 job for transition. When most of that money goes to bills. I know exactly what she means by second class since I had to fight my way to get into high school, college, jobs, etc just being a transsexual. I had to prove them wrong, and I DID. TJ you take everything as an attack, and you retalliate with an attack. Why I don't know, but you do. You can't take jokes on a message board and/or chatroom, you take things so serious. Again DON'T KNOW WHY? Maybe when you give me insight on that I'll understand you better. For now...GO NICOLE...and FYI TJ what I do understand about you is that you like to belittle people rather you agree or not. YOU DO IT ALL THE TIME! I am not going to argue with you though.

So, you know being pre-judged do you? So, do you have selective amnesia, or did you not even bother to read when I said that being a transsexual doesn't grant you exclusive rights to being discriminated against? No, you didn't catch that, because you didn't bother to read up on what was being discussed, as usual. You simply skimmed over the fist five words and last eight, then made another inane post, and now yet another. You want to pat yourself on the back for proving whomever wrong about something or other, then do it, just spare me the self-pity. "It's society's fault I don't make enough money to pay for my transitioning at a legit job!" Then how about the transsexuals who have legit jobs and pay for theirs? "Yeah, but that takes too long..." Somebody please tell me how that's not fucking lazy again? Right...

I've noticed you, Nicole and countless other women here regularly blame society, men, the elderly, leprechauns, fairies and whomever or whatever the hell else you can think of for various issues you face, yet you're slow if at all willing to accept any responsibilities for your own personal failings, or that of the transsexual community you are a part of. Thus, I'm the bad guy now for saying what many people here think (and what most know), but dare not state publicly for fear of losing their asskisser credentials... or, to be fair to those for whom that isn't accurate, in efforts to avoid conflict. Thank God that at least there are some sane transsexuals here, or there'd be no reason to do anything but look at porn pics...

I've gathered most people can tell when other people are trying to have a serious conversation and when they're kidding around, even with respect to posting on an internet board most times. You're one of those people who can't Kelly, so when I'm trying to have a serious conversation on the chat or on the board and you say something stupid, pardon me if I don't find it hilarious. The fact is, you never consider the tone of a thread before jumping in with a "Look at me... I'm Kelly Shore!" comment that's all about nothing, and occasionally it pisses me off, which is my problem that I have to deal with. I'm sure you could give a rat's ass. Anyway, as I was saying, whatever sense of humor you've got, I don't have it, which doesn't mean that I'm "serious" all the time, just that I don't find your kind of humor funny. And there's your insight. Hope it helps.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Look bitch, I don't do the look at me it's Kelly Shore threads other people do. So shut your pie hole. Secondly, I am just me and have fun. I don't try to impress anyone nor do I care to be liked or disliked. And no I didn't read what you had to say, cause I already read your opinion and I am sure it's the same. Since you repeat yourself over and over and over again. I READ NICOLES, why I said GO NICOLE on what she said.

I do blame small minds that told me I couldn't go to school as a girl. I do blame the small minds the fact that we had to go out and spend money to get a lawyer just for me to attend high school. I do blame small minds everytime someone is so egotistical and think they know what is moral and what is right, when they themselves have their own issues and aren't perfect. HINT HINT. I do blame small minds when anyone is discriminated against for their race, sex, color, sexual orientation, etc. I blame small minds and people for the women, men, girls, and boys that are scared to walk out their door in fear they will get beat up or hurt. Who question themselves every day and feel ugly, because of what people say about them. So yes I do blame society for this, and men are a big helping of why soceity is the way it is. Why men tend to do the quote unquote "macho" act.

[TJ347]

TJ, Why don't you take a shit in your hand and slap yourself!

There aren't many of us here who give a fat rat's ass about your self-righteous, judgemental opinions.

They are opinions and everyone is entitled to them but in this topic, nobody wants to accept yours as facts.

If you could learn how to better articulate your thoughts, maybe you'd be shown a little more respect.

Get over yourself!

First off, I couldn't give a damn whether anyone ever agrees with an opinion I express, as I'm not here to find co-signers. I'm also not here to sell my opinion as a fact, as to take any opinion as a fact would mark one as an idiot. You know what else marks someone as an idiot? Saying you don't give a "fat rat's ass" about another person's opinion, and then giving your own opinion. Are they supposed to give a damn what your opinion is after having heard that?

Clearly you're trying to ingratiate yourself with some of the ladies, in the hope of getting a BJ or something for being a hero. Good luck with that. That said, never confuse my motivations with yours. I don't operate under the delusion I'll get any reward other than the satisfaction of saying whenever the mood hits me what so-called men such as yourself lack the testicular fortitude to say, and if you don't like that, too fucking bad.

"Shit in your hand and slap yourself!" Hilarious. Your handle matches your comedic talent, I'll give you that.

[TJ347]

Look bitch, I don't do the look at me it's Kelly Shore threads other people do. So shut your pie hole. Secondly, I am just me and have fun. I don't try to impress anyone nor do I care to be liked or disliked. And no I didn't read what you had to say, cause I already read your opinion and I am sure it's the same. Since you repeat yourself over and over and over again. I READ NICOLES, why I said GO NICOLE on what she said.

First, I'll admit I did a "Kelly Shore" and stopped reading when it became pity party time again, because that had nothing to do with what I was talking about previously. I don't know why everything has to go back to how hard things have been for you regardless what's being discussed, but I'm not interested in that just now, if that's okay with you.

Anyway, I wasn't talking about the Kelly Shore threads, I was talking about the Kelly Shore posts. You can't even follow something that basic, and you're going to act like you understood anything else that I said? Please! Yeah, I repeat myself over and over again, like a Kelly Shore "LOL". You, of course, are fresh and original with your constant crying about how hard life has been for you, how men have made your life a living hell, blah, blah, blah... Where's all the fun you're trying to have in that constant self-pity? You may very well be the biggest hypocrite on this site.

[Night Rider]

There aren't many of us here who give a fat rat's ass about your self-righteous, judgemental opinions.

Where are you pulling these stats from?





Now then, instead of doing what you among so many others to be sure do so well, namely co-signing anything a "sister" says without even bothering to understand the topic being discussed, how about you challenge yourself to take a minute and assess what the hell is going on and think about how you can add in some meaningful way to the discussion, rather than throw out your usual random comment that is completely irrelevant to the matter at hand, and serves as little more than a reminder as to why you should focus your attention on crap threads like "Jamie Lynn Spears Pregnant", and leave people who can be serious for more than five minutes and aren't simply here because they're "bored" to discuss matters of greater gravity in peace.

classic :lol:

[MrsKellyPierce]

Look bitch, I don't do the look at me it's Kelly Shore threads other people do. So shut your pie hole. Secondly, I am just me and have fun. I don't try to impress anyone nor do I care to be liked or disliked. And no I didn't read what you had to say, cause I already read your opinion and I am sure it's the same. Since you repeat yourself over and over and over again. I READ NICOLES, why I said GO NICOLE on what she said.

First, I'll admit I did a "Kelly Shore" and stopped reading when it became pity party time again, because that had nothing to do with what I was talking about previously. I don't know why everything has to go back to how hard things have been for you regardless what's being discussed, but I'm not interested in that just now, if that's okay with you.

Anyway, I wasn't talking about the Kelly Shore threads, I was talking about the Kelly Shore posts. You can't even follow something that basic, and you're going to act like you understood anything else that I said? Please! Yeah, I repeat myself over and over again, like a Kelly Shore "LOL". You, of course, are fresh and original with your constant crying about how hard life has been for you, how men have made your life a living hell, blah, blah, blah... Where's all the fun you're trying to have in that constant self-pity? You may very well be the biggest hypocrite on this site. I never once said that, I said I have been blessed in my personal life. I was lucky to go to school as a girl. I am lucky to have friends and family to support me. I am lucky for the relationships I have and had in my life. It's cowardly of you to put down my situation in my life. Not many could of lived how I lived. NOT MANY, remind you. MY THREADS ABOUT GUYS ARE MAINLY ABOUT MEN ONLINE FYI!!! AND THE ANNOYANCE OF THE QUESTIONS YOU GET! AGAIN YOU CAN'T DIFFERENTIATE MY REAL LIFE from INTERNET, YOU PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT YOU WANT TO READ AND RESPOND TO THAT. You twist, judge, then BELITTLE with an ATTACK. Were you picked on a lot or what? I was stating reasons why people ESCORT and can't get 9 to 5 jobs dumb ass. DISCRIMINATION being the biggest one. Stop twisting my words for your disposal. You are so pathetic. You are like talking to a six year old, defend your own thoughts, and stop using me for your scapegoat. When Nicole told you like it is.

[TJ347]

I feel for you, Kelly. I really do. Now I'm minimizing what you've been through, because I don't want to discuss it for the eighty-ninth time? Are you that caught up in yourself that it's really all about you?

You don't have a clue what I've been through, or the last thing you'd try to do is compare experiences. Difference is, unlike you I don't cry continuously about my past, I deal with the present and plan for the future. Of course, I'm not a TS, so what could I possibly know about hardships of any kind, right? And I'm the one that's pathetic? Right. Thanks for reminding me why I try not to communicate with you, Kelly. It's right on time, what with the new year coming and all.

[MrsKellyPierce]

lol Crying I am not crying. I was giving personal example on why people turn to sex work. When a student has to get a lawyer just to learn, thats a bit ridiculous don't you think? A school was established to teach all children... It's a state Law in Illinois that all children in the state of Illinois under the age of 16 must go to school and/or have home schooling or private school, not matter the race, sex, sexual orientation, creed etc etc etc. But because of how I lived or looked they wanted to take that right away. Brush the problem aside. That dear is discrimination. Why so many MEN ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD AREN'T OUT. Why you don't post your own pictures here. They can't deal with that constant LABEL of being something or being JUDGED. So don't give me your hoopla, you have spent time in the kitchen of real discrimination. Just like racism it's one thing to get discriminated against, but it was a whole different story back in the day. They suffered, they had to endure. Transsexuals feel that in a job interview. Granted there is still alot of racism for race, but not anything like it was, but yet people act like it was yesterday and whine on about that do they not? I don't see you complaining there? When a transsexual is hired for a job it's always "What Bathroom Will She Use", Is this person a "sexual deviant", "If I hire this girl what will happen, what will be the consequences", Men it's will they think I'm gay if I hire her, so many precautions and reasons. There are several men on here that said transsexuals came in for interviews and were well capable of the jobs, but overlooked them, just because of their situation. I had to deal with this with groups of girls down in Florida that were jobless, couldn't get jobs. The jobs always came up with excuses why they couldn't. Granted it's a lot easier for a transsexual that already holds a job prior to their transitions, because there's HISTORY there, and the discrimination can be PROVEN. Thus the law protects them. What about the girls that are trying to get a job? The girls that don't have a feminine voice, The girls that aren't passable, The girls that don't have the self-esteem but has the smarts and skills for a good job. I suggest you go to a few transsexual groups everyone is welcome. West Care is a great one in St. Pete, Florida. You talk to the woman there and the issues they have on a daily basis. Not everyone that lives their life full time are passable. You would be surprised with some of the things you hear from their mouths. How they are treated, discriminated against, and the ones that try everyday to get a regular job that just can't! TJ you only look at the well known sex workers and the well known porn models and thats what you focus on! Then you put your opinion out there on a whole group. Which is stupid of you. You don't know other research or trans-woman. You have no CLUE, NONE, so don't act like you do.


And last but not least I am very proud of the person I am offline. I am very proud of the accomplishments I made. I will go on a thousand more times about what I succeeded just to annoy people like you! You should praise me that I was able to go to school as me and not get beat up, made fun of all the time. That I graduated as a woman and then went onto college. By praise, I mean complimen, but oh yes that'd be "ass kissing" Cause everything deals with a compliment on HA is :roll: I don't go out of my way to demean you, you go out of your way to demean me! So When you do of course I bite back. I am not going to sit here and let you belittle me, cause you think you know who I am. You are again PATHETIC.

[BADAZZBODY]

OBVIOUSLY SHE HAD A VERY GOOD SUPPORT SYSTEM...AND ALOT OF GIRLS IF WOULD HAVE HAD HER SUPPORT SYSTEM..PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TOOKEN THE PATH SHE TOOK..AND I DONT THINK SHES CRYING ABOUT NOFFIN SHE MORE OR LESS LETTING US KNOW HER STORY..WHICH WAS ALOT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT U USLALLY HERE FROM TS..

I KNOW PERSONALLY I WOULDNT GO BACK IN FORTH WITH A MALE THATS OBVIOUS NOT OPEN ABOUT HIS TS DESIRES, DENIAL IN SOCIETY AND OUT THE CLOSET ON HA..NON OF THEM DONT USE THEIR PICS AS AVATARS LIKE US..IVE HEARD ALL THE EXCUSES ABOUT JOBS..BLAH BLAH BLAH..

NO OFFENCE FELLAS NOT TRYING TO TAKE A SHOT AT YALL BUT U CANT SIT BACK AND GO BACK N FORTH ABOUT TS CHOICES WHEN U DONT HAVE THE RIGHT ..CAUSE U STILL NOT COMFORTABALE WITH YOUR OWN SEXUALLTY..IN PUBLIC LIKE WE ARE..IF U WAS U WOULD SEE YOUR PICS ON HERE..IM SURE YALL GOT MYSPACE PAGES WITH PICS..Y NOT HERE ..CAUSED ITS LINKED TO CHICKS WITH DICK..THEY USE THIS SITE AS A MODATE WAY OF COMING OUT WITH THEIR DESIRES ..CAUSE ON ALL THE MEN LIKE SHEMALES ..UNLIKE REAL LIFE..

A GOOD QUAILITY OF A MAN..AND ITS ALOT OF THEM ON HERE ..CALLING WOMEN NAMES AND ARGUING BACK N FORTH..IS NOT A GOOD MALE CHARACTERISTIC..MEN THAT USALLY STEP BACK FROM ARGUING, AND BEING CONFRINTATIONAL WITH A WOMEN..IDENTIFYS WITH BEING A MAN

THE ONES THAT ALWAYS GOT SOMETHING TO SAY ..NEGATIVE CRITIZIING..STARTING UP LIL FIGHTS..NOT COMPATIONATE OF OUR STUGGLE FELLINGS AND EMOTIONS AS A TS..BUT ADMIRE US FOR FETISH REALLY HAVE SEVERE DENIAL ISSUES..AND DONT.

[MacShreach]

So, this is a thread about beautiful TS women who don't escort, is it (Giving the benefit of the doubt here.)

Okay.

Andrea Colliaux, air hostess and author

[trish]

First off, I couldn't give a damn whether anyone ever agrees with an opinion I express,

there's the crux of the problem right there. what is the purpose of discussion if not to adjust and re-examine?

[trish]

If hooking was a job it wouldnt be illegal damn near everywhere in this country.


We're not talking about the USA are we? A country with more people in prison than any other country? That imprisons people for having marijuana, that executes people of an IQ deemed to be retarded in most places as well as people who committed the crimes at a young level? A country which doesn't allow it's own citizens to drink until 21 yet forces them through economic strife to go to fight for their corporations? A country which allows handguns to be easily bought, a country which allows their politicians to be easily bought?

In any civilised country, prostitution is either decriminalised or turned a blind eye too. The morals in your country, caused by Christian political agenda, keep it illegal. Escorting, prostitution, adult work IS a job.
There are plenty of tgirls out there who don't escort that you can meet, maybe you should take a good look at the attitude your projecting.

Don't hate on people for taking the easiest opportunity to make money, just because your personal morals dislike it. I work a very hard job - and it pays well, it may be distasteful to some but working equally hard at McDonalds for a fraction of the pay, just doesn't seem to appeal. Jobs which you think are morally ok, may be as distasteful to me as prostitution is to you.

seanchai

thankyou seanchai. i just thought this deserved to be repeated.

[goldensamba]

why is it that all that old, ugly, losers w/ nothing to offer.... think they should get the creme de la creme of ts girls for FREE?


idiots

not to mention "worlds oldest PROFESSION"

I think his point was more along the lines of....if you don't want to be looked at as a piece of meet kind of thing. I tend to agree with that. Why should a guy pay to spend time with someone? Isn't everyone's time just as valuable?

[BADAZZBODY]

LOL I DONT UNDERSTAND IF U DONT LIKE ESCORTS AND U HAVE SO MUCH AGAINST THEM THEN Y BE BOTHERED WITH THEM ..

I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MALE ESCORTS HITTING ME UP..I DONT EVER HIT THEM UP..I DONT DEAL WITH THEM NO MATTER HOW GOOD THEY LOOK OR WHAT EVER..I DONT WANT IT FOR FREE AND I DEFINTLEY DONT WANT IT TO PAY IF I GOT SOMETHING AGAINST WHAT SOMEONE DO..THEN IM NOT GONNA BE BOTHER WITH THEM OR ANY ONE THAT DOES IT..

EVERYBODY GOT SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT A ESCORT OR A GIRL THAT ASK FOR MONEY WHEN MEN ASK FOR SEX..

NON OF THESE GIRLS ARE CALLING U OR HITTING U UP FOR DICK OR ASS TO FUK U...

BUT U ARE HITTING THEM OF FOR THEIR BODY..SO WHATS THE PROBLEM..U CAN DISRESPECT US AND ASK US FOR OUR BODY

BUT U HAVA A PROBLEM IF SHE ASK U FOR SOME MONEY..

ILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT GIVES U THE RIGHT TO ASK FOR SOMEONES BODY WHEN THEY AINT OFFER IT TO U..BUT THEN THEY ASK U FOR SOMETHING ..WHICH THEY NEED TO BETTER THEIR LIFE KEEP BILL PAID AND A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD ITS A PROBLEM..

THATS Y I ONLY DEAL WITH GUYS THAT I KNOW HAVE MY BEST INTEREST AT HEART AND DONT LOOK AT ME AS SOMEONE SELLING ASS..BUT LOOK AT ME AS A FEMALE THAT THEY WANT TO SPEND TIME WITH AND THEY WANNA LOOK OUT FOR MY WELL BEING..FINANCIALLY OR WHAT EVER..

HAVING A WIFE IS LIFE LONG PROSITUTE..AND WHEN SHE LEAVE SHE GETTING CHILD SUPPORT..AND HALF YA DAMN MONEY...

IF U WANNA HIT N QUITE BEST THING TO DO IS FIND SOMEONE THATS DOWN FOR IT...FOR THE FUN NO STRINGS..OR SOMEONE U CAN LOOK OUT FOR BY THE MEANS OF WHAT THEY NEED...EVEN IF ITS MONEY...

BUT IF U LOOKING FOR A REGULAR GIRL THAT U KNOW ITS ESCORTING TO CHANGE HER LIFE FOR U..U BETTER BE BRING MORE THAN CHARM TO THE PLATE...BETTA BE THE KNITE IN SHINING ARMOR TO SWEEP HER OFF HER FEET ..OR WAIT UNTIL SHE DECIDE NOT TO DO IT AND GET A JOB..OR JUST DEAL WITH IT AND EXCEPT IT...ITS MAD MEN THAT HAVE LTR WITH ESCORTS STRIPPERS AND PORNSTARS...AND THOSE MEN PROVIDE TOO....

THESE MEN JUST LOOKING FOR SOME FREE ASS ..I GOT BILLS ..YA WIFE ASS AINT FREE SO Y SHOULD MINE..LOL

I MEAN THATS MY OPINION..

[tsmandy]

Is your friend's name Viridian? Maybe the mods should do you a big favor and ban you, loser, now that you're done with TS porn.[/quote]

Same old same old. Pretty soon I'm gonna start hanging out with straight providers and hobbyists who seem to have no confusion as to the merits of a working girl. Ever since I came here its read like one long Craigslist rant from a john that can't afford a decent date.

[tsmandy]

Why should a guy pay to spend time with someone? Isn't everyone's time just as valuable?

I've seen men and women, gender isn't the issue. When I see a client it is a combination of therapeutic practices. Mainly; massage, gender, and sexuality counseling. I sit down with people who haven't been touched in years, who have huge barriers to sexual fulfillment and don't know how to be intimate with anyone. I meet up with people who feel ugly and don't know how to love themselves. And for 90 minutes I'm tender and loving, and pay exquisite attention to their every physical need. I meet up with clients who are terrified of their attraction to dick, terrified of being gay, and I help them find answers. I've had clients that would be described as morbidly obese, I've had clients who were paraplegic, and I've had clients who were dying of cancer. And every single one of them, I treated like a king. That is why my time is valuable. Because I'm able to care about strangers needs, be they purely sexual or emotional.

Talk to any massage therapist and they will tell you that body work is as emotionally draining as it is physically draining. I'm not saying every escort pays attention to these things, but I do. You come see me, and you get to work through physical and emotional needs that your licensed therapist is barred from doing.

As an aside,
I'm really glad Seanchai said what he said, because things are really messed up in this country. So messed up people are scared to talk about it. So messed up that rich and powerful men who see escorts, who know that we need protection, turn their backs on us for the fundamentalist vote. It is time that people wake the fuck up, laws do not equate with moral rectitude.

lots of love,
mandy
http://mandytgirl.com

ps. I'm going to be in the SF/Oakland/Mendicino county areas from Xmas to New years if anyone wants to experience first hand what I'm talking about.

[loSTdoLLbaBY]

I think his point was more along the lines of....if you don't want to be looked at as a piece of meet kind of thing. I tend to agree with that. Why should a guy pay to spend time with someone? Isn't everyone's time just as valuable?

"spending time" with someone is not what we're talking about, but if you're asking why pay for intimate time (whether that's sexual, or massage, or some type of counselling, or whatever) then you have to flip the proverbial coin over and look at it from the other side.

why would anyone spend time with you...if:

a) they don't know you well
b) all you want is your needs met
c) you don't understand what they're all about
d) you're not willing to treat them as they want to be treated
e) you only wish to fetishize them/marginalize them in the time spent together

Spend time with someone...?... sure let's go to the DMV together, or jury duty, or grocery shopping. You're not talking about spending time, you're talking about "why can't I have what I want and I don't give a shit about what she wants", right? The girls aren't stupid, they smell 'client' on the guys who are....not litterally, but you get that 6th sense about it.

Girl's have boyfriends who are men, not clients.....sorry!

[tsntx]

why is it that all that old, ugly, losers w/ nothing to offer.... think they should get the creme de la creme of ts girls for FREE?


idiots

not to mention "worlds oldest PROFESSION"

I think his point was more along the lines of....if you don't want to be looked at as a piece of meet kind of thing. I tend to agree with that. Why should a guy pay to spend time with someone? Isn't everyone's time just as valuable?

the object of your attn has the right to charge you ... just like you have the right to say no thanx

why is that so hard for you guys to get?
you dont wanna treat me like a person w/ feelings?
you dont wanna date me like any normal girl?
you dont wanna be seen in public w/ me?
you dont want your girlfriend/ wife to know bout me?
you dont want your job to know about us?
you dont want to do anything but fuck me, or in 99.999999% of cases me fuck you?


THATS FINE... i dont mind... but theres an hourly rate just for you.

its really not that big of a deal... for whatever reason youre not trying to get w/ a ts on a serious level... well heres your ticket in

:roll:

[KiraHarden]

why is it that all that old, ugly, losers w/ nothing to offer.... think they should get the creme de la creme of ts girls for FREE?


idiots

not to mention "worlds oldest PROFESSION"

I think his point was more along the lines of....if you don't want to be looked at as a piece of meet kind of thing. I tend to agree with that. Why should a guy pay to spend time with someone? Isn't everyone's time just as valuable?

the object of your attn has the right to charge you ... just like you have the right to say no thanx

why is that so hard for you guys to get?
you dont wanna treat me like a person w/ feelings?
you dont wanna date me like any normal girl?
you dont wanna be seen in public w/ me?
you dont want your girlfriend/ wife to know bout me?
you dont want your job to know about us?
you dont want to do anything but fuck me, or in 99.999999% of cases me fuck you?


THATS FINE... i dont mind... but theres an hourly rate just for you.

its really not that big of a deal... for whatever reason youre not trying to get w/ a ts on a serious level... well heres your ticket in

:roll:
If you could/can answer yes to all these then you would have yourself a TS girlfriend and woudn't be paying for sex

[TrueBeauty TS]

why is it that all that old, ugly, losers w/ nothing to offer.... think they should get the creme de la creme of ts girls for FREE?


idiots

not to mention "worlds oldest PROFESSION"

I think his point was more along the lines of....if you don't want to be looked at as a piece of meet kind of thing. I tend to agree with that. Why should a guy pay to spend time with someone? Isn't everyone's time just as valuable?

the object of your attn has the right to charge you ... just like you have the right to say no thanx

why is that so hard for you guys to get?
you dont wanna treat me like a person w/ feelings?
you dont wanna date me like any normal girl?
you dont wanna be seen in public w/ me?
you dont want your girlfriend/ wife to know bout me?
you dont want your job to know about us?
you dont want to do anything but fuck me, or in 99.999999% of cases me fuck you?


THATS FINE... i dont mind... but theres an hourly rate just for you.

its really not that big of a deal... for whatever reason youre not trying to get w/ a ts on a serious level... well heres your ticket in

:roll:It would be like complaining that a restaurant is too expensive because you can cook at home. But if you want the convenience of having it cooked, served, and cleaned up for you, you can't bitch about it. If those services are not worth it to YOU, it's very simple what to do about it; don't eat there!


Right and right.


:claps :claps :claps :claps



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[MacShreach]

What I just don't understand is why guys like the one who started this thread come to a site devoted to transsexual porn and prostitution and then disrespect the girls for what they do.


Because, Jamie, he's a troll laying a bait thread, the second obvious one today. And boy did he get some bites.

I agree with just about everything all you girls have said. I am a long-term hobbyist, to use Mandy's term, and my hobby was born in the years of my life when I would be away from home for months on end. I am one of those men who simply can't go that length of time without sex, so my recourses were to fuck my female colleagues, a recipe for disaster, strike up casual relationships with local girls, another of the same, or use the services of professionals. Others may disagree, but the last was always far preferable to me.

In the time I've been doing it, over 20 years, I have met some really nice girls, both gg and ts, and some really not so nice girls, both gg and ts. But overall my experience has been that if you treat a girl with respect she'll pay you back with dividend.

I treat a professional girl as I would any other professional, with respect, and once a deal is struck I never welch. In fact unless the girl is really nasty to me, a very rare occurrence, I'll tip, even when she's a little inexperienced. I always practise safe sex and I always go where the recommendations are very good. I insist on a very high standard of cleanliness and service and I pay for it.

I don't give a damn how things are wherever the OP lives, where I go whoring prostitution is legal, and I would not do it where it isn't. I have a great relationship with the guy who services my car and I have a great relationship with the girls who service my cock.

What the fuck is with this big puritan deal about it?

[loSTdoLLbaBY]

...


WELL SAID!

[TJ347]

First off, I couldn't give a damn whether anyone ever agrees with an opinion I express,

there's the crux of the problem right there. what is the purpose of discussion if not to adjust and re-examine?

You know, you're absolutely correct, Trish. If one insists on maintaining his opinion regardless what evidence may be presented disproving it, then there is no point whatsoever in attempting to dialogue on anything. That said, my realization of that fact is why I won't bother commenting further on this topic at this time, having remembered who I'm dealing with here.

Still, I maintain that where I have no knowledge that what I'm saying is incorrect, it is of no concern to me whether anyone agrees with what I'm saying or not. That's a significant modification of what I said previously, admittedly, but nonetheless, at the end of the day, my goal isn't to convert anyone to my way of thinking. I simply consider certain things based on my experiences and observations, and occasionally offer my thoughts on them, just like any number of other people here do. Yes, sometimes I'm wrong with respect to what I say, while other times I'm a bit careless with the way I say it, but I would never say the things I've said here simply to be offensive. However, it seems virtually impossible here to be completely honest and not insult someone, and I knew this wouldn't go over well. Yet, having long since tired of the myriad excuses wherein society and men are blamed for the personal failings of some transsexuals, I gave my opinion, but for lack of being a TS am now to understand my opinion has been deemed invalid. This is the standard, everyday type of illogical, man-hating bullshit that any man who's a man faces here whenever he strays from kissing ass long enough to speak his mind, and I don't know how anyone, TS or otherwise, could possibly be surprised on the occasions where some man has had enough and says so. This was just one of those times, and there will doubtless be others.

Thanks for the level-headed comment, Trish, which gave me the opportunity to re-think what I said and the way in which I said it rather than get pissed off by being misunderstood yet again. Still, I now have a better understanding of just why there are so many people here who lurk exclusively... Most conversation here is for shit.

[tsmandy]

[

Still, I maintain that where I have no knowledge that what I'm saying is incorrect, it is of no concern to me whether anyone agrees with what I'm saying or not. That's a significant modification of what I said previously, admittedly, but nonetheless, at the end of the day, my goal isn't to convert anyone to my way of thinking. I simply consider certain things based on my experiences and observations, and occasionally offer my thoughts on them, just like any number of other people here do. Yes, sometimes I'm wrong with respect to what I say, while other times I'm a bit careless with the way I say it, but I would never say the things I've said here simply to be offensive. However, it seems virtually impossible here to be completely honest and not insult someone, and I knew this wouldn't go over well.

You know TJ347 I think this is something we can all agree on. What I find to be extremely challenging in this forum is having a reasonable discussion without upsetting people. Maybe its just the nature of trying to have such intense discussions with faceless, nameless people, who don't hear vocal inflection, and have no personal history through which to interpret statements.

I don't care if you express an opinion I disagree with, I think its great that you do. I do care when I'm dismissed, and I care when people read my posts as attacks.

I care alot about fostering a community of performers and admirers that is positive and fun, and I will continue to speak my mind, even when what I say is unpopular, and I hope you do too.

I don't think any topic is off limits, and I'm secure enough that I can engage in conversation with someone who thinks providers are greedy, lazy, xyz....as long as my personal observations and experiences are engaged in that conversation.

Hopefully other girls and guys can do the same.

xoxo
Mandy

[AllanahStarrNYC]

If the goverment, cities, all counties in the US spent the the amount of money spent on enforcing ridiculous prostitution laws and used it for rehabilative or outreach programs for sex workers- that would be much more benefitial than locking someone up. The truth of the matter is that same person is going to be back to work the next day. Getting arrested for prostitution in the US is not a detterant- it's a nuisance and part of the life. I've yet to meet one working girl who left hooking after an arrest.

Why in the hell is it illegal anywayto arrest consenting adults exchanging sex for money or adult services?

That makes no sense to me.

But then again a lot of policy in this country makes no sense to me.
Why we have no free universal healthcare, why the system is set up to get you in debt before you are 21, why young people can not go to college for free, why it' ok to spend billions of dollars on a war but not take proper care of the people who fought in the war-

Alot of whys really...

[mbf]

semi-thread-jack:

Fuck that idiotic "Pretty Woman" fairy tale, excellent movie dealing with whoring:

"Klute" (1971) with Jane Fonda

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067309/

*semi-thread-jack over

[justatransgirl]

semi-thread-jack:

Fuck that idiotic "Pretty Woman" fairy tale, excellent movie dealing with whoring:

"Klute" (1971) with Jane Fonda

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067309/

*semi-thread-jack over

Hey - don't diss my theme movie. :-) On my very first hotel outcall (at a hotel by Disneyland nonetheless) I got in my car to leave, and the Pretty Woman theme song was on the radio.

"It must have been love... but it's oooover now..."

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

And I used to date a guy who'd fly me up to SF for dinner and a date and I always felt like Julia Roberts - that someone would think nothing of spending thousands of dollars to enjoy my company for the night.

[justatransgirl]

And THANK YOU...

Mandy - for your well thought out threads - you and yoru GF come down here to SD sometime and we'll take you to one of our private escort group parties - where Jessica and I are the only T-girls ever invited.

And Allanah - for your always right on comments, cosign me.

And Seanchi - same thing - and not only does the US have the highest prison population, but 1.3 MILLION people each year are arrested - 95% for minor NON-crimes like prostitution, traffic vilolations or drug use. In las Vegas alone in 2006 over 5,000 girls were arrested for soliciting - that's over 30 per day - that is BULLSHIT.

And so long as you gentlemen who visit this site continue to buy our videos you can think and say whatever you want about the performers and the girls who escort. Because it's our JOB to entertain you and we will do the best we can.

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

[goldensamba]

why is that so hard for you guys to get?
you dont wanna treat me like a person w/ feelings?
you dont wanna date me like any normal girl?
you dont wanna be seen in public w/ me?
you dont want your girlfriend/ wife to know bout me?
you dont want your job to know about us?
you dont want to do anything but fuck me, or in 99.999999% of cases me fuck you?


THATS FINE... i dont mind... but theres an hourly rate just for you.

its really not that big of a deal... for whatever reason youre not trying to get w/ a ts on a serious level... well heres your ticket in

:roll:

I think what you are missing in the point I was making is that there are actually successful nice guys who want to get to know you and spend time with you and be friends with you. Not just have a quick fuck and bounce.

[loSTdoLLbaBY]

I think what you are missing in the point I was making is that there are actually successful nice guys who want to get to know you and spend time with you and be friends with you. Not just have a quick fuck and bounce.

Certainly there are, but if the girl isn't ready for that yet because she's got things like surgeries she wants to get done, or issues deeper than skin deep- it wouldn't matter who the guy is or what he wants. It's gotta be what she wants too!

Just because you like someone and are maybe even able to afford to pay for what they need to get done surgically to feel whole and afford to support them still doesn't mean that they will care to give up 'the life'- it's deeper than that (maybe she wants to do it on her own - or feels she has to do it as some kind of self imposed punishment - or doesn't feel ready to exist in the 'real world' of people with 9-5 jobs and whatever)

it's not just "Why can't I have a hot Tgirl cause I want one?" she's gotta want you and the life you're offering too.

:wink:

[slinky]

I started hanging out in Temples, but all I met were Jewish girls.

Then I started hanging out in Churches, but all i met were Catholic girls.

Then I started hanging out in Sports bars, but all the girls I met were Yankee fans.

Then I started hanging out in Tranny bars, but all the girls I met were hookers.

What the hell is wrong with all of these places?

Next week I'll go to Las Vegas and hang out in some of the casino bars and meet some nice normal girls.

[slinky]

I think his point was more along the lines of....if you don't want to be looked at as a piece of meet kind of thing. I tend to agree with that. Why should a guy pay to spend time with someone? Isn't everyone's time just as valuable?

Why would a guy who works at MacDonalds pay an attorney $300 an hour to talk to him?

Perhaps because the attorney was doing his job? And that his job was giving the guy legal advice? And maybe it doesn't matter that the guy wasn't working (he wasn't making fries, he was looking for legal advice), but the attorney WAS working.

The guy seeing a hooker is "on vacation", but the hooker is working. So the guy pays, and the hooker gets paid. If the guy doesn't want that party, no one is making him attend it.

It's not much different in any non-B2B service: the customer isn't working, but the service provider is.

[slinky]

Question: where do the totally passable, totally fine, non-working t-girls hang out? I don't think it's a spot which calls itself a "totally fine, non-working t-girl" spot. Do you think that group would go hang out at such a spot? Maybe someone could try to open such a place, but they better be well funded and not expect to make a lot of $.

Question #2: why are all the totally passable, totally fine, non-working t-girls so stuck up?

Answer: Why? Because they don't want to date guys who aren't as good looking as they are, or rich, or.....? I wasn't aware that this group was populated by The Sisters of Charity.

Question #3: why are hookers so expensive?

Answer: Go argue with John Maynard Keynes about it.

[goldensamba]

I think his point was more along the lines of....if you don't want to be looked at as a piece of meet kind of thing. I tend to agree with that. Why should a guy pay to spend time with someone? Isn't everyone's time just as valuable?

Why would a guy who works at MacDonalds pay an attorney $300 an hour to talk to him?

Perhaps because the attorney was doing his job? And that his job was giving the guy legal advice? And maybe it doesn't matter that the guy wasn't working (he wasn't making fries, he was looking for legal advice), but the attorney WAS working.

The guy seeing a hooker is "on vacation", but the hooker is working. So the guy pays, and the hooker gets paid. If the guy doesn't want that party, no one is making him attend it.

It's not much different in any non-B2B service: the customer isn't working, but the service provider is.

Look up......I think that was a different point flying right over your head...

[slinky]

No, you're just both morons. Have fun together in idiot land. A hooker doesn't give a shit about seeing nice guys for free, IT'S THEIR FUCKING JOB. THE WAY THEY EARN THEIR FUCKING LIVING.

Next time I come to your job, will you give me the fries for free because I'm a nice guy?

[Shining Star]

No, you're just both morons. Have fun together in idiot land. A hooker doesn't give a shit about seeing nice guys for free, IT'S THEIR FUCKING JOB. THE WAY THEY EARN THEIR FUCKING LIVING.

Next time I come to your job, will you give me the fries for free because I'm a nice guy?No, I am sorry, that is not "that".

Have been "TS" since my college years, and in the beginning was fired from more jobs than can count. Finally as one grew into "womanhood", things began to settle down. Granted my life growing up wasn't that bad, indeed was the basic upper-middle class life of my siblings and my friends. Went to college (as a girl), graduated and got on with life.

Yes, some places do fire TS both pre, post and non operative, but there are many, many companies that hire the same, including Google, Verizon, American Airlines, and countless others. Things are MUCH better than they were even 10 years ago. This applies to gays, transgender and all sorts minorities. This is not to say there are not obstacles, but TS girls need to take page from gays, and others who feel they are being "held back", stop looking for someone to give you a job, and make your own (legal) way. Look at the vast numbers of gays and other minorities who are in business for themselves. Everything from hedge fund managers, to hair removal, interior design, etc. Just last month the New York Times featured a group of trannies who own their own beauty shop in Brooklyn (or was it Queens?).

What matters is attitude. I've worked with many persons who think the world owes them a living, and have no idea of what is expected in holding employment or care. Employers expect one to show up on time, as scheduled, be a team player, and do the job hired. One is expected to "fit" in with the rest of the work force. That means behaving like a "lady", which includes dress, manner, and so forth.

One hears all the time "why should I work a 9-5 and make $400/wk when I can make that much in one hour hooking". Well yes, but the 9-5 is legal, morally correct, and the proper thing to do. There are millions of beautiful women just in the United States alone working in under paid and probably under appreciated jobs (if they can find them at all some times), yet they do not turn to hooking. So the rationale that just because it is difficult to find high paying employment, one should turn to hooking is rather rich.

By all means, if one is up against the wall, and has no other means of keeping the wolf from the door, then one has to do what one has to do. That has been done for ages, both during times of war and peace. But to say making a career out of whoring simply because one is discriminated against just simply is not right.

Black and other non-white women, have historically been denied good jobs, and the ones they could find were usually poor paying. Yet I don't see nor history does not record huge numbers of minority women working as prossies.

The real sad thing about this bill of goods being sold to trannies (that prossing is "victimless, and a proper career), is that sooner or later it makes one an outcast from proper society. This is especially true once one has several arrests and convictions on record. In an era where almost anything about anyone can be found out by a mouse click, it is becoming very difficult to hide a past or double life.


The young people call it "Googling" and now even employers or potential lovers do it; enter a person's name, phone number, address or anything else that IDs them into Google and see what comes up. It is all perfectly legal if the information is public. Weather some here like it or not, many people may not have a problem with a person being a trannie, but a sex worker (even a former one), is another story.

Yes, life is tough, and being a trannie sometimes does not help, but suck it up and make your own way. For godsakes, there are people coming to the United States by crawling across borders, who don't speak a word of English, yet in several years they own their own homes and are moving up the social and economic ladder.

Everyone thinks they are too grand to wait tables, scrub toilets or countless other things to a living, but some how laying down several men a day, whom they have no idea who they are, where they come from and worse, where they have been; is perfectly fine.

Personally I'd take my chances cleaning the filthy bathroom. I can wear protective clothing and use powerful cleaners, and I don't have to lie naked in it or have it touch me. *LOL*

SS

[igotmacedbymimi:(]

Other 'JOBS' prostitutes might be interested in going into:

Become a HITMAN...actually this is an older profession than prostitution and you will probably earn more money from it. You simply offer a service to a customer.

Become a DRUG DEALER...another JOB where you can earn lots of money, depending on how high up you are you can be earning 10x what you earn as a prostitute. You simply provide the goods that your customers demand. If you have the latest products then your profit will increase.

Become a THIEF, this can be an exceptionally well paid job. If you have the skill (lots of skill and brains is required) you can steal goods such as diamonds, paintings, antiquities worth thousands/millions of dollars. This is probably very suitable to ts because it can also quench the materialistic greed many of them seem to have, steal a pair of choo's, steal some tiffany diamonds, steal a beaitiful painting to impress your friends, steal a few wallets etc etc.

Just a few other options of various JOBS one could try instead of prostitution.

[loSTdoLLbaBY]

wow- igotmacedbymimi:(........that was hateful

why so?

[TrueBeauty TS]

I started hanging out in Temples, but all I met were Jewish girls.

Then I started hanging out in Churches, but all i met were Catholic girls.

Then I started hanging out in Sports bars, but all the girls I met were Yankee fans.

Then I started hanging out in Tranny bars, but all the girls I met were hookers.

What the hell is wrong with all of these places?

Next week I'll go to Las Vegas and hang out in some of the casino bars and meet some nice normal girls.


Ah... I see, Dear Sir that you are a scholar of the late Martin Niemöller who holds a place - nay - a fascination to those that hold his words dear.

Read on, Gentle Readers and notice the similar, yet different meanings in the two poems....


When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...


.

[mbf]

semi-thread-jack:

Fuck that idiotic "Pretty Woman" fairy tale, excellent movie dealing with whoring:

"Klute" (1971) with Jane Fonda

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067309/

*semi-thread-jack over

Hey - don't diss my theme movie. :-) On my very first hotel outcall (at a hotel by Disneyland nonetheless) I got in my car to leave, and the Pretty Woman theme song was on the radio.

"It must have been love... but it's oooover now..."

Giggle,
TS Jamie :-)

And I used to date a guy who'd fly me up to SF for dinner and a date and I always felt like Julia Roberts - that someone would think nothing of spending thousands of dollars to enjoy my company for the night.

well, TS Jamie, good for you this movie brings good memories for you.

Still, "Klute" is a great movie for several reasons.

[mbf]

I started hanging out in Temples, but all I met were Jewish girls.

Then I started hanging out in Churches, but all i met were Catholic girls.

Then I started hanging out in Sports bars, but all the girls I met were Yankee fans.

Then I started hanging out in Tranny bars, but all the girls I met were hookers.

What the hell is wrong with all of these places?

Next week I'll go to Las Vegas and hang out in some of the casino bars and meet some nice normal girls.


Ah... I see, Dear Sir that you are a scholar of the late Martin Niemöller who holds a place - nay - a fascination to those that hold his words dear.

Read on, Gentle Readers and notice the similar, yet different meanings in the two poems....


When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...


.

of the things I never expected to see EVER on this board one can be crossed out my list:

a reference to Martin Niemöller

the quoted poem is btw a standard in german highschool textbooks

WOW

[tsmandy]

Granted my life growing up wasn't that bad, indeed was the basic upper-middle class life of my siblings and my friends. Went to college (as a girl), graduated and got on with life....

One hears all the time "why should I work a 9-5 and make $400/wk when I can make that much in one hour hooking". Well yes, but the 9-5 is legal, morally correct, and the proper thing to do. There are millions of beautiful women just in the United States alone working in under paid and probably under appreciated jobs (if they can find them at all some times), yet they do not turn to hooking. So the rationale that just because it is difficult to find high paying employment, one should turn to hooking is rather rich.



First of all, there are many more non-trans women hooking in any given city than trans women, and the number of women in this country who at one point or another have held a job in the sex industry be it stripping, whoring, or shooting porn is easily in the millions.

I'm sorry, but there is just nothing morally superior to working for Blackwater, Raytheon, or Bechtel. There is nothing morally superior working for Walmart, unless moral superiority stems from subservience to those with more money and power than you.

I'm glad everything worked out well for you, some of us don't want to be normal members of society. Personally I think the bar is rather low, and I'm gonna shake things up a bit before I'm done. But by all means, have fun doing the proper thing.

[bezane]

I think True Beauty TS sums up the thread and life in general terms. I keep stumbling over her posts, and they sure ain't just cracks in the sidewalks.

I love what TS Mandy wrote as well. While I don't think it's millions, it's a lot. And she is right on all pertinent points.

My take is negative on escorting. I hate it, and obviously when it affects my life so drastically as it has, but the way it was written up to start this thread without a bit of compassion, nor about the understanding of the rudiments, is like a bull in a china shop. Well that just makes it all bad.

I do it again and again. I have friends, many, an ex-girlfriend and lots of acquaintances that are escorts. And I realize that for most it is a means to an end. It is often times here seen in terms of being glamorous, hugely profitable and all in all a cake walk. I don't think that is the case.

But I would like to see a time where we all work for alternatives.

That has to do with society, acceptance, understanding, and compassion. Schools have to educate kids on acceptance and diversity and realize the next Columbine is just a stop away, everyday, when ridicule has a blind eye turned to it.

So fell some compassion because they're coming for you next.

[peggygee]

The many costs involved in transitioning are very high.

Transitioning women may be discriminated against in employment.

Is escorting ethical or moral? That's between your value system
and the laws in your jurisdiction.

I think we can all agree on that and move forward. :deadhorse

What I would like to hear and or discuss are the realisitic exit strategies
that people have in place when it's time to leave the industry.

[mbf]

What I would like to hear and or discuss are the realisitic exit strategies
that people have in place when it's time to leave the industry.

That would be of high interest for me as well. Escorting seems to have much in common with a career in sports, where you can have sucess until 30, maybe if youre lucky 35, but what next?

And don`t jump at my throat bc I am a guy, I may remind you I was the bf of a TS-escort myself for a while.

[loSTdoLLbaBY]

strategies are important, but it comes down to the simple fact that one day you decide that's it and you realize if you want a different life you have to take a huge ass paycut, tone down your behavior, and get one of those crap ass 9-5 jobbie jobs that all the soccer moms talk about.

it helps to have all your paperwork done first (name change, soc sec card, resume' )......but ultimately you either decide to join the real world or live outside of the lines so to speak.

for me "i fell in love" and just couldn't do one more client- it broke my heart to even try...so I had incentive and motivation from inside of me and a bit of support from him, but mostly used up alot of my "matress stash" (ok- all of my saved up money). I didn't care though, it was what I wanted more than 'the life'.

of course now i have a restraining order against his junkie ass, and had to move back home with mom (awww, god bless my momma!) but I'm happy and healthy - and no i never did heroin thanks

[slinky]

No, you're just both morons. Have fun together in idiot land. A hooker doesn't give a shit about seeing nice guys for free, IT'S THEIR FUCKING JOB. THE WAY THEY EARN THEIR FUCKING LIVING.

Next time I come to your job, will you give me the fries for free because I'm a nice guy?No, I am sorry, that is not "that".

I think you missed the point of my post entirely. It wasn't about whether anyone (male, female, TS, whatever) should go into sex work. It was that once someone has elected to go into sex work, it's their job. They aren't looking for a BF (or GF or whatever). They either have one already, don't care to have one, or are looking for one elsewhere. But while they are working, the concept that they shouldn't be because "there are nice guys out there to date" is irrelevant, because in sex work "dating" is a euphemism, not a tautology.



What matters is attitude. I've worked with many persons who think the world owes them a living, and have no idea of what is expected in holding employment or care. Employers expect one to show up on time, as scheduled, be a team player, and do the job hired. One is expected to "fit" in with the rest of the work force. That means behaving like a "lady", which includes dress, manner, and so forth.

One hears all the time "why should I work a 9-5 and make $400/wk when I can make that much in one hour hooking". Well yes, but the 9-5 is legal, morally correct, and the proper thing to do. There are millions of beautiful women just in the United States alone working in under paid and probably under appreciated jobs (if they can find them at all some times), yet they do not turn to hooking. So the rationale that just because it is difficult to find high paying employment, one should turn to hooking is rather rich.

This is correct, but you are placing your own morals above those of others. I don't think anyone is saying anyone should be forced into sex work. But if someone choses sex work for whatever reason: it's the easy way out, it's the quick way out, they can't seem to deal with "real" jobs, whatever... it's their decision to make, and once they have made it, they are a sex worker whether anyone else likes it or not.



By all means, if one is up against the wall, and has no other means of keeping the wolf from the door, then one has to do what one has to do. That has been done for ages, both during times of war and peace. But to say making a career out of whoring simply because one is discriminated against just simply is not right.

In a vacuum, I wouldn't disagree with that, but:



Black and other non-white women, have historically been denied good jobs, and the ones they could find were usually poor paying. Yet I don't see nor history does not record huge numbers of minority women working as prossies.

this is simply factually inaccurate.



The real sad thing about this bill of goods being sold to trannies (that prossing is "victimless, and a proper career), is that sooner or later it makes one an outcast from proper society. This is especially true once one has several arrests and convictions on record. In an era where almost anything about anyone can be found out by a mouse click, it is becoming very difficult to hide a past or double life.

I agree with your premise, but not your thesis. It's not being an outcast from society or even the potential criminal record which is the largest cost of going into sex work. It's the mental / psychological after effects which are the true costs.




Personally I'd take my chances cleaning the filthy bathroom. I can wear protective clothing and use powerful cleaners, and I don't have to lie naked in it or have it touch me. *LOL*

SS

And that's where the choice lies. You made the one which is right for you. I'm not so sure people have the right to presume their choice fits everyone else.

[slinky]

What I would like to hear and or discuss are the realisitic exit strategies
that people have in place when it's time to leave the industry.

That would be of high interest for me as well. Escorting seems to have much in common with a career in sports, where you can have sucess until 30, maybe if youre lucky 35, but what next?

And don`t jump at my throat bc I am a guy, I may remind you I was the bf of a TS-escort myself for a while.

Very few have good exit strategies, and they are even harder to implement.

see http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=11183&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[dan_drade]

LOL, that is kind of a blanket statement to say that every transgendered woman is a hooker. I am quite sure that it is not the general rule at all. Most of the girls that I have met in my life were not working girls at all ,but pretty normal people that just would like to live as a woman. Some of them are hot, some of them are older, some of them just average looking, but none are hookers.


Just remeber, there are a lot of Transexuals in the world both M2f and F2M and many of them you would not even know are Transgendered if you saw them walking down the street.

[RubyTS]

WTF. Every time I run across a T-gal (which i might add is a very rare occassion almost a cosmic event) she's a gotdamn hooker?
WTF MAN every time it never fails.
Why can't the more attractive passable ones live normal lives like regular women? I understand that many of them go thru alot in their life and lifestyles--I know about all that. But GODDAMN why hookin? Aren't there any passable ts's out there who work regular jobs? Or live regular lives as a wife or girlfriend to somebody?
I had a convo the other day with a transexual friend of mines who said that they are looked down upon as being lesser than a "gay man" because of the way they live their lives--and its not fair.
I told her that its so many t-girls hooking their lives away thats what helps em get that bad rap.

If i meet a t-girl whose not hooking its because she's not passable.
Now thats a gotdamn shame.

Oh yeah. I need to stop looking at t-girl porn. These girls have made my tastes go uppppp. Some of these t-girls in porn are so hott they look hotter than women. Then when I see a t-girl in real life, they look likes boys wearing dresses.

Fucking shame man. :evil:

now, r u atucally looking tpo DATE a tgirl? Or r u just looking 4 fun? Cuz if ur hitting up girls in their place of work, which happens to me ALL the time, its not taken very seriously. Ex: if ur cruising craigslist or eros ads and emailing the girls to say their hot anfd r loking for a relationship. In a tgirs mind, this equals LOSER lookin 4 free butt. You may wanna get away from escorts... and look elswhere. I've always had better luck with men i've met in public places like supermarkets, laundromat and so forth. But if the first thing out ur mouth is something sexual in nature, u wont be taken very seriously. Also, being pretty doesn't come cheap babe. All these young hot tgirls u c have put in a pretty penny to look the way they do. U shouldn't criticize for escorting, its BECAUSE of what escorting can provide for them, that u are in fact attracted. And until u have lived as a ts woman, you truly would not understand the hardhips we can face in the workplace... Y should we stuggle? When everyone just wants to screw us anyway? Supply and demand ;-) I dont wanna bust my ass til im 50 just to get a more feminine face, and i dont have to. It seems a little like you're more upset that a tgirl can quickly make what u must struggle for.

[loSTdoLLbaBY]

Bingo RubyTS

you nailed it!

[peggygee]

LOL, that is kind of a blanket statement to say that every transgendered woman is a hooker. I am quite sure that it is not the general rule at all. Most of the girls that I have met in my life were not working girls at all ,but pretty normal people that just would like to live as a woman. Some of them are hot, some of them are older, some of them just average looking, but none are hookers.


Just remeber, there are a lot of Transexuals in the world both M2f and F2M and many of them you would not even know are Transgendered if you saw them walking down the street.

Dan, out of curiousity where did you tend to meet the women that you met?

Quite often I hear the guys saying that they can't meet women, and I was
wondering the secrets to your succes,

[TheShyGuy]

There's a lot of discrimination against transsexuals - no laws to protect them from getting fired in most states. So a girl could work her way up the ladder and then transition and get fired. What's she going to do then? Yeah, she could find a janitorial job or a waitres job MAYBE but you can be sure she won't be working in a corporate or highly visible environment while transitioning. Also, it does take alot of money im sure to look good and that's just makeup and clothes. If a girl really believes shes a WOMAN, she's going to want hormone therapy, plastic surgery and all the rest. Now name a job where you can make enough money for that, people aren't going to treat you weird as you cahnge in front of their eyes, and where you have enough time off to be able to recover from those surgeries. And this is also a job you can take right at the outset and start making lots of money. I think it's a no brainer why they do it. It would be good if it were legal and regulated though so alot of them didnt have such extremely difficult lives, fending for themselves, sometimes ending up on drugs.

[Shining Star]

There's a lot of discrimination against transsexuals - no laws to protect them from getting fired in most states. So a girl could work her way up the ladder and then transition and get fired. What's she going to do then? Yeah, she could find a janitorial job or a waitres job MAYBE but you can be sure she won't be working in a corporate or highly visible environment while transitioning. Also, it does take alot of money im sure to look good and that's just makeup and clothes. If a girl really believes shes a WOMAN, she's going to want hormone therapy, plastic surgery and all the rest. Now name a job where you can make enough money for that, people aren't going to treat you weird as you cahnge in front of their eyes, and where you have enough time off to be able to recover from those surgeries. And this is also a job you can take right at the outset and start making lots of money. I think it's a no brainer why they do it. It would be good if it were legal and regulated though so alot of them didnt have such extremely difficult lives, fending for themselves, sometimes ending up on drugs.You need to sit down and be quiet when grown folks are talking, because you don't know what you are speaking about.

There are many companies, employers, jobs, etc that hire pre and post op transexuals, not to mention the same who are fully licensed in professions ranging from law to nursing.

The following comes from Verizon's "Globe" website (does that count as "corporate" or "highly visable" in your book?).

Start of quote:
"Mission

The purpose of this organization shall be to address the needs and concerns of employees of Verizon who are Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual or Transgender or who have family, friends or colleagues who are Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual or Transgender, thereby creating a working environment in which each individual is treated with respect and dignity.

Our success will be achieved by providing a support network for Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender employees at Verizon; by promoting awareness, education, support and understanding of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender issues facing Verizon employees; by ensuring that Verizon corporate programs and policy address issues affecting Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender employees at Verizon; and by seeking partnership whenever possible with all the appropriate groups within the Verizon corporate environment and the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender communities.

In working towards this stated purpose, GLOBE will be acting as a resource to support and enhance Verizon's success and competitive advantage."

End of quote.

There are transexual nurses, doctors, teachers, law enforcement officers, flight attendants, office workers, and in short many other places of employment. Does that bother some people? Sure it does. Will some companies/employers fire or try to get rid of a transgendered person? Yes again, but it is no where as bad as it was 10 years ago or even before.

Laws help, but the most effective means of advancing diversity in the workplace is as Verizon's website states, hiring the best person for a position regardless of race, gender, physical disability, and or gender identification. Why? Simply because in the gobal economy which the United States is very much a part of, employers have a vested interest in nurturing and keeping the best employees they can find.

If you are a stock broker, or an attorney in a law firm, with a HUGE book of customers and following, you can bet the partners are going to think twice about how to approch you as a transgendered person they might want to give the heave. For one thing if your clients don't care, it is very likely you will pack up and either go to the competition or start your own business, taking those customers with you.

Will agree that it probably important to look like the gender one is trying to present. That is to say it could be difficult for a "man in a dress" to keep employment, then again as I've often stated, there is a NYC sanitation worker who is transitioning, and she often has very visable facial hair, but her bosom (probably implants) are also clearly visable under her uniform. Don't know what to make of, and am sure her life at work probably isn't the best at times, but then again she is still there, which says something. Don't know how much more visable one can get than that.

When you get down to it, there are many pre and post op trannies that look like women, some even very "HOT" women, but any similarity stops there. Like it or not, society still expects women to behave a certian way. Even without that example, one has to have certian personality traits to hold certian jobs. Being attractive is only part of being a flight attendant for example. If you are going to be mean, nasty and rude to customers, no one is going to care how hot looking you are.

If your attitude is not that of a team player, nor do you posess any sort of work ethic, good manners or any of the other things that allow people to get along at a work place, again it does not matter how hot looking you are, no one is going to hire you or keep you on.

[slinky]

If you are going to be mean, nasty and rude to customers, no one is going to care how hot looking you are.

If your attitude is not that of a team player, nor do you posess any sort of work ethic, good manners or any of the other things that allow people to get along at a work place, again it does not matter how hot looking you are, no one is going to hire you or keep you on.

It might be noble to think so, but it's simply not the case. There are plenty of places that have attractive people working in positions where they are rude to customers, etc. There are a significant amount of bars/restaurants/clubs in NYC where these folks are actually the majority.

And for sex work, it's pretty prevalent as well.

[peggygee]

There's a lot of discrimination against transsexuals - no laws to protect them from getting fired in most states. So a girl could work her way up the ladder and then transition and get fired. What's she going to do then? Yeah, she could find a janitorial job or a waitres job MAYBE but you can be sure she won't be working in a corporate or highly visible environment while transitioning. Also, it does take alot of money im sure to look good and that's just makeup and clothes. If a girl really believes shes a WOMAN, she's going to want hormone therapy, plastic surgery and all the rest. Now name a job where you can make enough money for that, people aren't going to treat you weird as you cahnge in front of their eyes, and where you have enough time off to be able to recover from those surgeries. And this is also a job you can take right at the outset and start making lots of money. I think it's a no brainer why they do it. It would be good if it were legal and regulated though so alot of them didnt have such extremely difficult lives, fending for themselves, sometimes ending up on drugs.

This link is to employers with non-discrimination policies
that include gender identity.

http://www.hrc.org/about_us/7115.htm

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/hiring.jpg

Errata: The original link I posted is a broken link. This link above is for a
Corporate Equality Index for the years 2002 - 2008.

I will find the original link I cited.

[TrueBeauty TS]

You need to sit down and be quiet when grown folks are talking, because you don't know what you are speaking about.




That made me laugh. LOL

:lol:





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[peggygee]

Thought the qustion was worth repeating.

The many costs involved in transitioning are very high.

Transitioning women may be discriminated against in employment.

Is escorting ethical or moral? That's between your value system
and the laws in your jurisdiction.

I think we can all agree on that and move forward. :deadhorse

What I would like to hear and or discuss are the realisitic exit strategies
that people have in place when it's time to leave the industry.

[bezane]

Are the costs high in transitioning? How high. I was shocked to hear what some of the girls here that deemed it necessary to escort because of the huge costs of surgery yet they list amounts like 17K, 28K, 12K!!!! and my ex 32K.

Not to be a snob but that's peanuts. In a free market economy? For one thing that is leas than most cars. One of the finest chicks on this board is about to finalize her license to be an RN. She'll make peanuts. 70K per year. Much less than escorts I'm sure. Benefits not as good either. And the demand for healthcare really isn't that high. But still a noble job. Another one works at Starbucks. 30K a year. Demeaning work. Having to serve people and wipe down a counter but still honest. But the difference is that they have bank accounts, good credit, documents complete (just because they took the time to do it.), and both qualify for med loans that they are paying off.

Not to be sarcastic but the costs of surgery are not high at all. Period. The way girls talk here you would think they were spending 250K. They are not.

I see other problems facing them in transition but costs, if they are their PRIORITY are miniscule for what they're asking. Maybe they need some education on money management, finance and such.

On the flipside I know a girl or two here that spends more on drugs than on rent. More on cigarettes than basic utilities. Exit strategies is the point. peggygee made it here. I made it several times on other threads.

Girls seem to like to shout us down like we don't know because we are mere faggots. But when it comes to money matters, career possibilities, money management I think many could use advice but don't want it.

Rather than trying to dupe employers, an honest open cover letter will get responses from interested parties that know the deal. Regardless of your sex, race, or transition status, they will require sometimes a drug test, for you to be on time, for you to be active in your pursuit of know-how regarding the job and pleasant to co-workers.

This is not being condescending but I myself have hired a few transsexuals for jobs in the past, only to find them to want special treatment because they couldn't cope. This is not meant to be a generalization, however I'm shocked often that people of some minority status often fail to take extra pride and responsibility to represent their situation.

For example. I'm a minority in some regard. I'm a blue-eyed white guy but I have dated and am willing to date a Transsexual woman. I feel it is my responsibility to be understanding of their community, open about my situation, treat them as I would anyone and not as a stereotype etc. And that goes for when I'm frustrated by my girl that said she would stop escorting three years ago while I paid for her school. She just doesn't want to face the real world.

Or was it as the psychiatrist said that she wanted to see and then stopped seeing shortly afterward, that the escorting made her feel acceptance by a wider range of men, gave her some control at some point, and afforded a plethora of excuses as to why she couldn't cope when needed.

[RubyTS]

Thought the qustion was worth repeating.

The many costs involved in transitioning are very high.

Transitioning women may be discriminated against in employment.

Is escorting ethical or moral? That's between your value system
and the laws in your jurisdiction.

I think we can all agree on that and move forward. :deadhorse

What I would like to hear and or discuss are the realisitic exit strategies
that people have in place when it's time to leave the industry.

amen. the thouht of transitioning OUT of escorting has always scared me. not so much because of money issues. Mainly because i would like to be involved in a serious relationship, and my outlook on men has definitely changed due to escorting.

[Floyd R]

RubyTS,

Why have your views of men changed since escorting?

[slinky]

What I would like to hear and or discuss are the realisitic exit strategies
that people have in place when it's time to leave the industry.

As I said before, they are few and far between. Many have the exit strategy of marrying (either officially or not) a trick. Almost universally, it ends when 1) she wants a pair of Manolo's (or whatever) and he says "No", and immediately "this shit wouldn't be happening if I had my own money" springs into her brain, 2) He does the same thing he did with her: goes out whoring and either she can't deal with it or he does to her what he did to the last one with her, or 3) she falls off the wagon with whatever substance she had a problem with and he gives her the boot.

The most successful exit strategies I saw in the last 30 years was that of the Korean AMP girls in the late 70's thru early 80's. A fairly large number of them came here with a goal of $125,000 (why that number exactly I do not know. Maybe that's what a house cost back home, or a business), and when they hit that number in savings you never saw them again (NB: this is no longer true today of that same group).


I apologize in advance for the harshness of the following: many TS sex workers have an unintentional "exit strategy". Since they are working to save up for SRS, eventually they get SRS. They are then surprised at the high percentage of their cock-bandit clients who they lose, and also surprised that a lot of the places they used to pick up biz (like the parties) dry up tremendously when their potential dates find out that they are now dickless. I admit that I don't find this that hard to understand: if guys are specifically tranny chasing, then in general they are looking for girls with dicks, not without them. If they wanted to pay for girls with pussies, they would know where to find them (ironically, loads of guys who come on boards like this and wax poetic about the "attitude" of TS being superior to GG's will flat leave a TS once she no longer has the cock*).

* Trick:"I'm looking for a girl with a nice personality"
TS :"Well, my personality has a big dick".

[slinky]

RubyTS,

Why have your views of men changed since escorting?

As I've said many times before, one of the "victims" of this victimless crime of prostitution is the relationship between the sex worker and 2 things changes: men and money. How the relationship changes can vary greatly for girl to girl, but usually falls within a few general categories. One thing which you do see a lot in GG escorts is that even if they were totally "straight" before going into the Life, they choose women for relationship/sex partners because they can no longer separate the idea of "man" from "tricks".

I used to be confused by the concept of "Transexual Lesbians" (I won't go into it all here), but when I think about the above, I can easily see why a TS who did sex work would either want a GG or another TS as a life partner as a result.

[mbf]

What I would like to hear and or discuss are the realisitic exit strategies
that people have in place when it's time to leave the industry.

You can call me Willy Wanker if I will see ONE working girl on here that gives a credible outlook on this matter.

[Bunzee]

Thought the qustion was worth repeating.

The many costs involved in transitioning are very high.

Transitioning women may be discriminated against in employment.

Is escorting ethical or moral? That's between your value system
and the laws in your jurisdiction.

I think we can all agree on that and move forward. :deadhorse

What I would like to hear and or discuss are the realisitic exit strategies
that people have in place when it's time to leave the industry.

amen. the thouht of transitioning OUT of escorting has always scared me. not so much because of money issues. Mainly because i would like to be involved in a serious relationship, and my outlook on men has definitely changed due to escorting.

my opinion is that escorting is somewhat demeaning and i think brings the person doing it down emotionally...

[RubyTS]

RubyTS,

Why have your views of men changed since escorting?

Um, being a Ts and having a guy take u seriously is hard enough as it is. The majority of men who are interested in tgirls, are usally only interested for purely physicasl purposes. Men say things to transgendered girl s that they would neer consider saying to a gg. Ive played "real" and learned that the second a man knows my real deal, it's either sayonara, or can we fuck. And being an escort, u see the things that men do behind their girlfriend's and wives backs. Its very hard to believe that serious relationship can actually last in this day and age. Funny thing is guys are like "i cant believe you're single" but when they have it, they're always looking for something new. I've been in several relastionships that always wound up with the dude cheating. Its a horrible feeling to have so many men pay to spend time with u, praise u and so on, then a for some guy to come along who' isn't a client and make u feel insecure about yourself when he runs off with your best friend. All my clients have treated me better than any man i have involved myself with outside of work. I mean c'mon, they pay u and then STILL praise u. This isn't a bar! You're gonna get what u want so complimenting isn't necessary! So, u know its genuine

[slinky]

I mean c'mon, they pay u and then STILL praise u. This isn't a bar! You're gonna get what u want so complimenting isn't necessary! So, u know its genuine

You're not really that naive, are you?

[andyuk]

RubyTS,

Why have your views of men changed since escorting?

Um, being a Ts and having a guy take u seriously is hard enough as it is. The majority of men who are interested in tgirls, are usally only interested for purely physicasl purposes. Men say things to transgendered girl s that they would neer consider saying to a gg. Ive played "real" and learned that the second a man knows my real deal, it's either sayonara, or can we fuck. And being an escort, u see the things that men do behind their girlfriend's and wives backs. Its very hard to believe that serious relationship can actually last in this day and age. Funny thing is guys are like "i cant believe you're single" but when they have it, they're always looking for something new. I've been in several relastionships that always wound up with the dude cheating. Its a horrible feeling to have so many men pay to spend time with u, praise u and so on, then a for some guy to come along who' isn't a client and make u feel insecure about yourself when he runs off with your best friend. All my clients have treated me better than any man i have involved myself with outside of work. I mean c'mon, they pay u and then STILL praise u. This isn't a bar! You're gonna get what u want so complimenting isn't necessary! So, u know its genuine


i would say 90% of people cheat.
whatever gender.
hence why i have given up on finding the special one.

[RubyTS]

I mean c'mon, they pay u and then STILL praise u. This isn't a bar! You're gonna get what u want so complimenting isn't necessary! So, u know its genuine

You're not really that naive, are you?

naive r the girls who fall for the "i really wanna get to know u" as a response from an escort ad. actually darling my eyes r wide open, how bout urs mr know-it-all? u know nothing until u put on a dress babe so quit while ur ahead

[slinky]

You are a clueless idiot. You have no idea what I have or have not done..... sweetie.... so before you go and play yourself again, you might want to check yourself and get a grip on what you know and what you don't know.

And for the record, the guys buttering you up are just looking for cheaper service or bareback or extra time or whatever. It's not because they sincerely mean those comments about how feminine you look.

[RubyTS]

You are a clueless idiot. You have no idea what I have or have not done..... sweetie.... so before you go and play yourself again, you might want to check yourself and get a grip on what you know and what you don't know.

And for the record, the guys buttering you up are just looking for cheaper service or bareback or extra time or whatever. It's not because they sincerely mean those comments about how feminine you look.

bendito.... u sound so angry at the world of transexuals. Maybe u want to be one but cant face the world? Ur anger is sadly misplaced babe. Have u been to a psychiatrist? i think u have mental instabilities. U may wanna check on that. :shock:

[Night Rider]

:popcorn

[RubyTS]

And for the record, the guys buttering you up are just looking for cheaper service or bareback or extra time or whatever. It's not because they sincerely mean those comments about how feminine you look.That's a totally fucked up thing to say. How do you know what her clients are thinking?

because he's mr know-it-all... so he thinks. what a fuckin reject

[andyuk]

ruby your youtube videos are awesome.
you and mel are outrageous but so funny.
and night rider thanks for the welcome back :)

[slinky]

That's a totally fucked up thing to say. How do you know what her clients are thinking?

From looking at that man face of hers, I know what every one is thinking even though there aren't saying it.

But I know your real question is why I would. Well, you girls are always talking about the lack of respect the guys give the girls. Well, it's a fucking 2 way street. If some Boogy Down Bx Hood Rat is going to disrespect me because she can't deal with a very reasonable comment I made, then I'm going to give her back what she's putting off to me. You go take a look at who made the first rude remark to whom.

[slinky]

By the way Ruben, I've forgotten more about the escort biz that you'll ever figure out on your own, so again, you better check yourself before playing yourself again.

[Night Rider]

That's a totally fucked up thing to say. How do you know what her clients are thinking?

From looking at that man face of hers, I know what every one is thinking even though there aren't saying it.

But I know your real question is why I would. Well, you girls are always talking about the lack of respect the guys give the girls. Well, it's a fucking 2 way street. If some Boogy Down Bx Hood Rat is going to disrespect me because she can't deal with a very reasonable comment I made, then I'm going to give her back what she's putting off to me. You go take a look at who made the first rude remark to whom.

just so there's no confusion this time :lol: :popcorn

[RubyTS]

That's a totally fucked up thing to say. How do you know what her clients are thinking?

From looking at that man face of hers, I know what every one is thinking even though there aren't saying it.

But I know your real question is why I would. Well, you girls are always talking about the lack of respect the guys give the girls. Well, it's a fucking 2 way street. If some Boogy Down Bx Hood Rat is going to disrespect me because she can't deal with a very reasonable comment I made, then I'm going to give her back what she's putting off to me. You go take a look at who made the first rude remark to whom.

omg thats so original im gonna cry cuz u hurt my feelings so bad... lol. is that the best u got? hahaha u really are a ssad sad mess. u think im naive and i think ur pig headed and stubborn. if my face looks like a man, welll DUHHH i was born male stupid! u really think u know everything. baby.... u know nothing. u r a fool

[RubyTS]

By the way Ruben, I've forgotten more about the escort biz that you'll ever figure out on your own, so again, you better check yourself before playing yourself again.

im sorry... "playing myself" is this some sort of urban language? or bald aggravated and angry at the world? i dont understand..... and have we really resorted to jr high school name calling. u r so pathetic ha ha haha, i fell so bad 4 u ha ha ha. awwwwww dont worry, it will all be ok some day. why dont u just slice ur wrist and get it over with already ha ha ha ha

[andyuk]

i personally think ruby is a good looking girl.
and going off the youtube vids her personality rocks.

[RubyTS]

ruby your youtube videos are awesome.
you and mel are outrageous but so funny.
and night rider thanks for the welcome back :)

thanx my love glad u enjoy. *kisses*

[RubyTS]

i personally think ruby is a good looking girl.
and going off the youtube vids her personality rocks.

thanks again. this fool thinks he's a certified tranny expert. sounds like he has a 6 inch stiletto up his butt. i actually think he's just aggrivated cuz he wants to be one himself but doesnt have the cohones! he seems to have all the stereotypes down pact, but no factual evidence to back anything up. WORDS WORDS WORDS filled with anger, resentment and more pointless words.

[slinky]

Ruby: time to take another ESL course.

[RubyTS]

This is all because she questioned your authoritative opinions on escorting? Or is that how a pimp maintains discipline in his stable; by trying to kick the shit out of a girl's self esteem? Have you ever been an independent TS escort, Danny? lol Holy shit, you're thin skinned. So tell us what does a guy in the UK have gain by "buttering in her up"?

no nicole, its because he feels like hes a telepath. a regular professor charles xavier and he knows everyones reasons for everything, and everyones feelings on everything. SHIT RUN FOR CONGRESS babe. If u really know it all, there could be a future for u there! u cant be a woman.... its way too late now mr wanna be JEAN GREY, so go ahead make something of urself! Think positive and put down that bottle of pills! YOU CAN MAKE SOMETHING OF YOURSELF AFTER ALL!!!! epiphany *ding*

[slinky]

This is all because she questioned your authoritative opinions on escorting?

Nope, it's because she decided she couldn't stop herself from going ghetto:



naive r the girls who fall for the "i really wanna get to know u" as a response from an escort ad. actually darling my eyes r wide open, how bout urs mr know-it-all? u know nothing until u put on a dress babe so quit while ur ahead




So tell us what does a guy in the UK have gain by "buttering her up"?

What a shock! A cock bandit on HA brown noses anything in a dress with a cock! Film at 11!!!!!!!!

[Floyd R]

Ruby,

I have never cheated in any of my relationships. I know plenty of guys like myself that believe in fidelity and simply prefer being in a monogamous relationship. I'm mentioning this to clear up the misconception that most men cheat.

I'm sorry to disappoint you but finding a man that is willing to accept being in a relationship with a woman working as an escort is like finding a needle in a haystack. This topic has been discussed on this board many times and most guys cannot handle it. I personally cannot do it. For those men that are in relationships with escorts, I think most of them are or will become cheaters because they will perceive escorting as a form of cheating. For the most part, escorting requires having sex in exchange for money. Asking someone to be faithful under these circumstances seems contradictory to what a committed relationship stands for. I think you will have a much easier time finding a man that possesses the qualities you are looking for after you leave the world of escorting.







RubyTS,

Why have your views of men changed since escorting?

Um, being a Ts and having a guy take u seriously is hard enough as it is. The majority of men who are interested in tgirls, are usally only interested for purely physicasl purposes. Men say things to transgendered girl s that they would neer consider saying to a gg. Ive played "real" and learned that the second a man knows my real deal, it's either sayonara, or can we fuck. And being an escort, u see the things that men do behind their girlfriend's and wives backs. Its very hard to believe that serious relationship can actually last in this day and age. Funny thing is guys are like "i cant believe you're single" but when they have it, they're always looking for something new. I've been in several relastionships that always wound up with the dude cheating. Its a horrible feeling to have so many men pay to spend time with u, praise u and so on, then a for some guy to come along who' isn't a client and make u feel insecure about yourself when he runs off with your best friend. All my clients have treated me better than any man i have involved myself with outside of work. I mean c'mon, they pay u and then STILL praise u. This isn't a bar! You're gonna get what u want so complimenting isn't necessary! So, u know its genuine

[RubyTS]

This is all because she questioned your authoritative opinions on escorting?

Nope, it's because she decided she couldn't stop herself from going ghetto:



naive r the girls who fall for the "i really wanna get to know u" as a response from an escort ad. actually darling my eyes r wide open, how bout urs mr know-it-all? u know nothing until u put on a dress babe so quit while ur ahead




So tell us what does a guy in the UK have gain by "buttering her up"?

What a shock! A cock bandit on HA brown noses anything in a dress with a cock! Film at 11!!!!!!!!

u should've added some horns and a moustache to your avatar while u were at it. its ok i love u too. MUAH

[andyuk]

This is all because she questioned your authoritative opinions on escorting?

Nope, it's because she decided she couldn't stop herself from going ghetto:



naive r the girls who fall for the "i really wanna get to know u" as a response from an escort ad. actually darling my eyes r wide open, how bout urs mr know-it-all? u know nothing until u put on a dress babe so quit while ur ahead




So tell us what does a guy in the UK have gain by "buttering her up"?

What a shock! A cock bandit on HA brown noses anything in a dress with a cock! Film at 11!!!!!!!!

you might want to check out my other posts asshole before you make sweeping statements.
i decided to defend ruby
1)as i have said before i like her youtube videos.
2)i disagreed with your point about her looks.
carry on.
your coming across as a real smart fellow.

[RubyTS]

Ruby,

I have never cheated in any of my relationships. I know plenty of guys like myself that believe in fidelity and simply prefer being in a monogamous relationship. I'm mentioning this to clear up the misconception that most men cheat.

I'm sorry to disappoint you but finding a man that is willing to accept being in a relationship with a woman working as an escort is like finding a needle in a haystack. This topic has been discussed on this board many times and most guys cannot handle it. I personally cannot do it. For those men that are in relationships with escorts, I think most of them are or will become cheaters because they will perceive escorting as a form of cheating. For the most part, escorting requires having sex in exchange for money. Asking someone to be faithful under these circumstances seems contradictory to what a committed relationship stands for. I think you will have a much easier time finding a man that possesses the qualities you are looking for after you leave the world of escorting.







RubyTS,

Why have your views of men changed since escorting?

Um, being a Ts and having a guy take u seriously is hard enough as it is. The majority of men who are interested in tgirls, are usally only interested for purely physicasl purposes. Men say things to transgendered girl s that they would neer consider saying to a gg. Ive played "real" and learned that the second a man knows my real deal, it's either sayonara, or can we fuck. And being an escort, u see the things that men do behind their girlfriend's and wives backs. Its very hard to believe that serious relationship can actually last in this day and age. Funny thing is guys are like "i cant believe you're single" but when they have it, they're always looking for something new. I've been in several relastionships that always wound up with the dude cheating. Its a horrible feeling to have so many men pay to spend time with u, praise u and so on, then a for some guy to come along who' isn't a client and make u feel insecure about yourself when he runs off with your best friend. All my clients have treated me better than any man i have involved myself with outside of work. I mean c'mon, they pay u and then STILL praise u. This isn't a bar! You're gonna get what u want so complimenting isn't necessary! So, u know its genuine

thank god, back on track.... so yeah. What we were discussing before being so rudely interrupted *wink* was transitioning OUT of escorting. My concern with that, being that my eyes are now OPEN to how MOST MEN WHO I HAVE COME INTO CONTACT WITH (lets avoid generalyzing here) truly are as people. I feel that the rest of the world is naive to what really goes down, and i wish i were also. But the fact is, that i don't think that i can honestly trust a man in a relationship. At least the type of man that i am physically attracted to. If i wanna be happy in a relationship. Like the song goes... if u wanna be happy 4 the rest of ur life....... get an ugly girl to marry u!" In my case, guy

[andyuk]

i think the thing is with a serious relationship,is the first sign of trouble people want to bolt,and find someone else.

[andyuk]

i also think far to much is based on looks.
fair enough you need to find something attractive about them,but at the end of the day,its really not that important.
give me someone who can make me smile or a have a decent conversation with any day over a stunning moody cow. :)

[RubyTS]

i think the thing is with a serious relationship,is the first sign of trouble people want to bolt,and find someone else.

not me.... ive stuck it out through bf's in jail, having no money, even strugglin with one guy who was struggling between datin me and a gg. I left escorting cuz i really felt the potential for that relationship to last but it was a total waste of my time. Actually, let me not say that. it was definitely a learning experience. Funny how he was my best friend before we got together, and even THAT relationship turned to shyt. If it's not one thing its another. Either they're cheaters, or cant deal with facing society as a ts's boyfriend.

[RubyTS]

i think the thing is with a serious relationship,is the first sign of trouble people want to bolt,and find someone else.

not me.... ive stuck it out through bf's in jail, having no money, even strugglin with one guy who was struggling between datin me and a gg. I left escorting cuz i really felt the potential for that relationship to last but it was a total waste of my time. Actually, let me not say that. it was definitely a learning experience. Funny how he was my best friend before we got together, and even THAT relationship turned to shyt. If it's not one thing its another. Either they're cheaters, or cant deal with facing society as a ts's boyfriend.

let me also add that if they have those 2 down pact... they're usually bald fat and/or old. i mean i dont mind seeing a guy that fits that description as an escort. but lets be real, im young and pretty w a sexy body.. i think i deserve to be w someone equally as attractive who can treat me the way any man SHOULD treat a woman

[andyuk]

i think the thing is with a serious relationship,is the first sign of trouble people want to bolt,and find someone else.

not me.... ive stuck it out through bf's in jail, having no money, even strugglin with one guy who was struggling between datin me and a gg. I left escorting cuz i really felt the potential for that relationship to last but it was a total waste of my time. Actually, let me not say that. it was definitely a learning experience. Funny how he was my best friend before we got together, and even THAT relationship turned to shyt. If it's not one thing its another. Either they're cheaters, or cant deal with facing society as a ts's boyfriend.
yep
you live and learn as the saying goes,
i have had girls cheat,and the one i married just became psycho on me,lol
came home one night and there she was with the knife :o
ever since then i have thought it better to be on my own
my time is mainly divided into looking after my mum and having a bet :).
but i think its important to not close the door totally.
i still believe there are good people out there.
its just finding them :)

[soulRipp]

yea ok if gong to hook because it make ends meet fast ther you should sell drugs

[lust4ts]

yea ok if gong to hook because it make ends meet fast ther you should sell drugs

If you're going to post on a forum, learn basic spelling :wink:

[loSTdoLLbaBY]

i think the thing is with a serious relationship,is the first sign of trouble people want to bolt,and find someone else.

not me.... ive stuck it out through bf's in jail, having no money, even strugglin with one guy who was struggling between datin me and a gg. I left escorting cuz i really felt the potential for that relationship to last but it was a total waste of my time. Actually, let me not say that. it was definitely a learning experience. Funny how he was my best friend before we got together, and even THAT relationship turned to shyt. If it's not one thing its another. Either they're cheaters, or cant deal with facing society as a ts's boyfriend.

let me also add that if they have those 2 down pact... they're usually bald fat and/or old. i mean i dont mind seeing a guy that fits that description as an escort. but lets be real, im young and pretty w a sexy body.. i think i deserve to be w someone equally as attractive who can treat me the way any man SHOULD treat a woman

yow! similar for me... I left escorting for a guy, and stayed with him for seven years. He had several arrests, lost many jobs, even was abusive- and I stayed with him for the love i felt for him- One day though I just had it and although it broke my heart I had to leave him. That was a year ago in October that I left.

but (for those who still need clarification) the reason for escorting is kinda summed up in this thread here...

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=23710

(not saying the're all escorts... and must admit I didn't read the whole thread, but the topic seems to fit as a "visual aid" of sorts) just saying that we need to make the changes we make, and escorting allows us to do it without struggling and cowtailing to society.

[andyuk]

i think the thing is with a serious relationship,is the first sign of trouble people want to bolt,and find someone else.

not me.... ive stuck it out through bf's in jail, having no money, even strugglin with one guy who was struggling between datin me and a gg. I left escorting cuz i really felt the potential for that relationship to last but it was a total waste of my time. Actually, let me not say that. it was definitely a learning experience. Funny how he was my best friend before we got together, and even THAT relationship turned to shyt. If it's not one thing its another. Either they're cheaters, or cant deal with facing society as a ts's boyfriend.

let me also add that if they have those 2 down pact... they're usually bald fat and/or old. i mean i dont mind seeing a guy that fits that description as an escort. but lets be real, im young and pretty w a sexy body.. i think i deserve to be w someone equally as attractive who can treat me the way any man SHOULD treat a woman

i understand that totally.
i could never date a bbw or anything.
but i have dated girls who most of my friends considered not the best looking but there personality to me made them attractive,its kind of a weird one and i cant really explain it.(well i say friends loosely)

[RubyTS]

Funny how he was my best friend before we got together, and even THAT relationship turned to shyt. If it's not one thing its another. Either they're cheaters, or cant deal with facing society as a ts's boyfriend.I've dealt with that, and you do learn a lot. But being a guy's dirty little secret sucks. Things were really good to a point, but then it's like you keep hitting a wall and you know it's doomed to never be a healthy relationship. Guys like that want all the perks that come with no none thinking they're anything but just another "straight" guy. Doesn't it amaze you how many of these guys there are? Who go around talking about "fags" and "he-she's", yet you see how irresistible they find cock? And I let this boy talk me out of escorting for months, and he watched me stick with a shitty job. But then I find out that he was a cheat. And it truly angers me because I thought I loved him. But, yes, you do learn plenty from those mistakes.


yes but girl... how many mistakes can one person make... lol. Its crazy the amount pof people that i come into contact with who are ALL THE SAMEEEEEEE!!! I have such a H U G E wall built and a very thorough screening process. The last person to pass all my tests and win the prize, i was 22. and boy was he a good ass actor, cuz im a real good judge of character. But mama, he played me for such a fool... not once, not twice 3x. Its gotten to the point that when i talk with someone, even if i really like them, if they bring up any types of sexual questions i get SOOO turned off! Like to the point that i totally ignore them after, cuz im thinkin they're playing head games and they just showed their true colors.It's much easier for me when they are insecure and shy. Then i dont mind talkin about sex if im the one bringing it up. is that wierd?

[NYTSJulie]

Funny how he was my best friend before we got together, and even THAT relationship turned to shyt. If it's not one thing its another. Either they're cheaters, or cant deal with facing society as a ts's boyfriend.I've dealt with that, and you do learn a lot. But being a guy's dirty little secret sucks. Things were really good to a point, but then it's like you keep hitting a wall and you know it's doomed to never be a healthy relationship. Guys like that want all the perks that come with no none thinking they're anything but just another "straight" guy. Doesn't it amaze you how many of these guys there are? Who go around talking about "fags" and "he-she's", yet you see how irresistible they find cock? And I let this boy talk me out of escorting for months, and he watched me stick with a shitty job. But then I find out that he was a cheat. And it truly angers me because I thought I loved him. But, yes, you do learn plenty from those mistakes.


yes but girl... how many mistakes can one person make... lol. Its crazy the amount pof people that i come into contact with who are ALL THE SAMEEEEEEE!!! I have such a H U G E wall built and a very thorough screening process. The last person to pass all my tests and win the prize, i was 22. and boy was he a good ass actor, cuz im a real good judge of character. But mama, he played me for such a fool... not once, not twice 3x. Its gotten to the point that when i talk with someone, even if i really like them, if they bring up any types of sexual questions i get SOOO turned off! Like to the point that i totally ignore them after, cuz im thinkin they're playing head games and they just showed their true colors.It's much easier for me when they are insecure and shy. Then i dont mind talkin about sex if im the one bringing it up. is that wierd?

That's what escorting does to you. Its almost impossible to find a decent normal guy and be able to be an escort.

[NYTSJulie]

Funny how he was my best friend before we got together, and even THAT relationship turned to shyt. If it's not one thing its another. Either they're cheaters, or cant deal with facing society as a ts's boyfriend.I've dealt with that, and you do learn a lot. But being a guy's dirty little secret sucks. Things were really good to a point, but then it's like you keep hitting a wall and you know it's doomed to never be a healthy relationship. Guys like that want all the perks that come with no none thinking they're anything but just another "straight" guy. Doesn't it amaze you how many of these guys there are? Who go around talking about "fags" and "he-she's", yet you see how irresistible they find cock? And I let this boy talk me out of escorting for months, and he watched me stick with a shitty job. But then I find out that he was a cheat. And it truly angers me because I thought I loved him. But, yes, you do learn plenty from those mistakes.


yes but girl... how many mistakes can one person make... lol. Its crazy the amount pof people that i come into contact with who are ALL THE SAMEEEEEEE!!! I have such a H U G E wall built and a very thorough screening process. The last person to pass all my tests and win the prize, i was 22. and boy was he a good ass actor, cuz im a real good judge of character. But mama, he played me for such a fool... not once, not twice 3x. Its gotten to the point that when i talk with someone, even if i really like them, if they bring up any types of sexual questions i get SOOO turned off! Like to the point that i totally ignore them after, cuz im thinkin they're playing head games and they just showed their true colors.It's much easier for me when they are insecure and shy. Then i dont mind talkin about sex if im the one bringing it up. is that wierd?

That's what escorting does to you. Its almost impossible to find a decent normal guy and be able to be an escort.A decent normal guy would interfere with escorting, and doesn't deserve an escort. In reality, I don't want a guy who'd want to be an escorts's BF. Is that weird? lol

Its that no (few) decent man would date an escort. Although it can be a little different in the GLBT circle and if the guy isn't 100 percent straight. Selling sex in the GLBT world is not something people even bat an eye about.

I say make your money in the business and use it at a tool to better yourself, then walk away from it and go on with a normal life.

[andyuk]

no guy would be happy with his girl escorting.
but i guess it depends if they where escorting when they met.
i know for me,if i had met a girl who i found out was a escort,i would still want to date her if i really liked her,obvisuly would not be 100% happy with it,but i dont think i would have a right to tell them to stop.

[Shining Star]

One thing has always struck me as odd. There is a very good number of rent boys/men out there, including all those "ST8" boys who either dance at gay clubs and or are "gay for pay", yet the gay circle seems to have no problem with those men. Trannies escorts, no matter how gorgeous are looked down upon, while the gay escorts get to run with the Power Gay (as Kathy Griffith calls them), crowd and no one says boo.

Parties by David Geffen, and all the others, have tons of hot guys who are working, and what do they get? Advice on careers, help with starting a business and or college/grad school, flown all over the world/asked to attend events, and so forth. Heck a top man at British Petroleum was outed by his ex-lover (a gay rent boy), and though fired it was only because he lied about certian things. Both the guy and the gay are none the worse for the event.

It makes me think that the double standard comes in as it does with women, who also are condemmed for "working".

In certian gay circles, latching onto a guy, even if he is/was a rent boy causes not even an eye lash to bat. Former rent boys have been set up in business and many people know just who and where the money comes from.

As for being someone's "secret lover", been there done that and WON'T ever do it again. If you want me I better be good enough to come in the front door, otherwise forget it.

These super macho St8 types kill me. The walk around talking about "fags" this and acting like Rambo on steriods, yet alone with a trannie, guess who is doing the munching/begging to get poked? These are the same guys who after several hours of jumping on a trannies trade like a monkey on a cupcake, turn around after everything is said and done and ask "does this make me gay"? *LOL*

SS

[BADAZZBODY]

Funny how he was my best friend before we got together, and even THAT relationship turned to shyt. If it's not one thing its another. Either they're cheaters, or cant deal with facing society as a ts's boyfriend.I've dealt with that, and you do learn a lot. But being a guy's dirty little secret sucks. Things were really good to a point, but then it's like you keep hitting a wall and you know it's doomed to never be a healthy relationship. Guys like that want all the perks that come with no none thinking they're anything but just another "straight" guy. Doesn't it amaze you how many of these guys there are? Who go around talking about "fags" and "he-she's", yet you see how irresistible they find cock? And I let this boy talk me out of escorting for months, and he watched me stick with a shitty job. But then I find out that he was a cheat. And it truly angers me because I thought I loved him. But, yes, you do learn plenty from those mistakes.


yes but girl... how many mistakes can one person make... lol. Its crazy the amount pof people that i come into contact with who are ALL THE SAMEEEEEEE!!! I have such a H U G E wall built and a very thorough screening process. The last person to pass all my tests and win the prize, i was 22. and boy was he a good ass actor, cuz im a real good judge of character. But mama, he played me for such a fool... not once, not twice 3x. Its gotten to the point that when i talk with someone, even if i really like them, if they bring up any types of sexual questions i get SOOO turned off! Like to the point that i totally ignore them after, cuz im thinkin they're playing head games and they just showed their true colors.It's much easier for me when they are insecure and shy. Then i dont mind talkin about sex if im the one bringing it up. is that wierd?

I know for a fact ..i done seen this alot and been through this and it will make u jaded..but u cant let it consume u...

Alot of time u have to put your self in the state of mind that with alot of men this is not their lives they are living ; its ours...most of them are in denial..

its mere fantasy and alot of guys got mad game...they are steping stons for a good learning experience ...

With that being said...being a tranny is so different then being gay m4m or considering your self close to gg ..cause that more common and more delt with in society

we are the forbin fruit..

we are the fantasy of bi, downlow, gays..staight ..cause we possesse both..

my first thought is..he's trying someting different..im a his fantasy girl..

but i notice the more i keep him on me chasing me..and not making my self so accesable...the more he chasing

trannys are giving..but the less u put out..the more the gonna hunt.

suspense is a motherfucker..

[bilko]

lets not fool ourselves here,
you girls are as bad as men

[mbf]

Ruby,

I'm mentioning this to clear up the misconception that most men cheat.



Yeah, let`s comment on the good old cliche of the "Cheating Man by deafult".
Many men cheat, no doubt, but I always wonder - when I hear lamenting on that fact from females - with WHOM?

Mostly OTHER females who in many cases KNOW VERY WELL what they are dealing with. Many female co-cheaters LOVE the thrills of STEALING away the men of another woman.

So, if some of you Escorts are concerned about that, and you KNOW you are dwaling with a married client, what about telling him that its immoral what he is doing?

[RubyTS]

there r plenty of guys out there who claim they dont care if a girl escorts, they will still date her anyway. I could NEVER seriously date someone who WOULD NOT be bothered by me escorting. But im not gonna stop either, not for any guy. I WOULD if i REALLY felt the relationship could flourish into something beautiful. But shyt, i cant even find a decent guy WITHOUT telling him inm an escort. All i attract are hornbags... even when im feeling sweet and innocent on the street. I even had a secret myspace before where i had decent non erotic pics just to see if i could attract a classier man... nada.

[RubyTS]

Funny how he was my best friend before we got together, and even THAT relationship turned to shyt. If it's not one thing its another. Either they're cheaters, or cant deal with facing society as a ts's boyfriend.I've dealt with that, and you do learn a lot. But being a guy's dirty little secret sucks. Things were really good to a point, but then it's like you keep hitting a wall and you know it's doomed to never be a healthy relationship. Guys like that want all the perks that come with no none thinking they're anything but just another "straight" guy. Doesn't it amaze you how many of these guys there are? Who go around talking about "fags" and "he-she's", yet you see how irresistible they find cock? And I let this boy talk me out of escorting for months, and he watched me stick with a shitty job. But then I find out that he was a cheat. And it truly angers me because I thought I loved him. But, yes, you do learn plenty from those mistakes.


yes but girl... how many mistakes can one person make... lol. Its crazy the amount pof people that i come into contact with who are ALL THE SAMEEEEEEE!!! I have such a H U G E wall built and a very thorough screening process. The last person to pass all my tests and win the prize, i was 22. and boy was he a good ass actor, cuz im a real good judge of character. But mama, he played me for such a fool... not once, not twice 3x. Its gotten to the point that when i talk with someone, even if i really like them, if they bring up any types of sexual questions i get SOOO turned off! Like to the point that i totally ignore them after, cuz im thinkin they're playing head games and they just showed their true colors.It's much easier for me when they are insecure and shy. Then i dont mind talkin about sex if im the one bringing it up. is that wierd?

I know for a fact ..i done seen this alot and been through this and it will make u jaded..but u cant let it consume u...

Alot of time u have to put your self in the state of mind that with alot of men this is not their lives they are living ; its ours...most of them are in denial..

its mere fantasy and alot of guys got mad game...they are steping stons for a good learning experience ...

With that being said...being a tranny is so different then being gay m4m or considering your self close to gg ..cause that more common and more delt with in society

we are the forbin fruit..

we are the fantasy of bi, downlow, gays..staight ..cause we possesse both..

my first thought is..he's trying someting different..im a his fantasy girl..

but i notice the more i keep him on me chasing me..and not making my self so accesable...the more he chasing

trannys are giving..but the less u put out..the more the gonna hunt.

suspense is a motherfucker..

o hey bitch lol...... i aint kno u was on hurrrrr :-P

so it's funny that u say that, cuz the majority or relationships ive been in have started out sexual in nature. So maybe i lure them in w da sex and latch on lol. Thats what used to work, but i guess i been so stuck on trying to be appreciated for more than sex.... maybe i gotta try a different approach if i wanna be happy. It sux cuz i feel i gotta settle for $.. when this lifestyle gets mad lonely! Thats the main reason i escort, cuz dudes just wanna beat it up anyways. And im not the bitch who wants to feel used the next day

[RubyTS]

Ruby,

I'm mentioning this to clear up the misconception that most men cheat.



Yeah, let`s comment on the good old cliche of the "Cheating Man by deafult".
Many men cheat, no doubt, but I always wonder - when I hear lamenting on that fact from females - with WHOM?

Mostly OTHER females who in many cases KNOW VERY WELL what they are dealing with. Many female co-cheaters LOVE the thrills of STEALING away the men of another woman.

So, if some of you Escorts are concerned about that, and you KNOW you are dwaling with a married client, what about telling him that its immoral what he is doing?

i actually do that lol

[MacShreach]

. i think i deserve to be w someone equally as attractive who can treat me the way any man SHOULD treat a woman

I really feel for you, Ruby, and all the girls. I'm not selling my case here because I'm definitely not in the market, but I have believed for a long time (this subject comes up regularly here and elsewhere) that a TS woman's hunt for the young gorgeous hunk is practically doomed from the start. IMHO you'd be far better looking for a successful 40+ guy who looks after himself.

The fact is that men like that, successful in business or a profession, money in the bank, probably with property, just don't have the same things to prove as a guy in his 20's. He'll be settled and confident both in his sexuality and his status, probably has the having kids think out of the way, mature enough to realise that a partner's independent expression of free will is not an attack on him.....That being involved with a TS woman does not make him gay, (and having the confidence to totally disregard the rednecks and gay nazis who think it does) has the toughness of spirit to stand behind a partner and not run as soon as things get rough....knows how to treat a lady both in public and in private.

I'm not suggesting you should sell yourself short to a fat old slob gone to seed, but not all men over 40 are like that, not by any means.

But good luck anyway, you seem like a very nice girl.

:wink:

[sdman]

do you want the ugly ones escorting?

[sexyredman]

do you want the ugly ones escorting?


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Thats a good comeback. There are girls out there working a regular 9 to 5, but they aren't gonna be ultra-sexed up and "fine" by your standards because that attracts undue attention. Just be smarter about how you are meeting your women.

[slinky]

I say make your money in the business and use it at a tool to better yourself, then walk away from it and go on with a normal life.That's what I plan on doing.

MUCH easier said than done.

[slinky]

One thing has always struck me as odd. There is a very good number of rent boys/men out there, including all those "ST8" boys who either dance at gay clubs and or are "gay for pay", yet the gay circle seems to have no problem with those men. Trannies escorts, no matter how gorgeous are looked down upon, while the gay escorts get to run with the Power Gay (as Kathy Griffith calls them), crowd and no one says boo.

Parties by David Geffen, and all the others, have tons of hot guys who are working, and what do they get? Advice on careers, help with starting a business and or college/grad school, flown all over the world/asked to attend events, and so forth. Heck a top man at British Petroleum was outed by his ex-lover (a gay rent boy), and though fired it was only because he lied about certian things. Both the guy and the gay are none the worse for the event.

It makes me think that the double standard comes in as it does with women, who also are condemmed for "working".

In certian gay circles, latching onto a guy, even if he is/was a rent boy causes not even an eye lash to bat. Former rent boys have been set up in business and many people know just who and where the money comes from.

As for being someone's "secret lover", been there done that and WON'T ever do it again. If you want me I better be good enough to come in the front door, otherwise forget it.

These super macho St8 types kill me. The walk around talking about "fags" this and acting like Rambo on steriods, yet alone with a trannie, guess who is doing the munching/begging to get poked? These are the same guys who after several hours of jumping on a trannies trade like a monkey on a cupcake, turn around after everything is said and done and ask "does this make me gay"? *LOL*

SS

While this is [i]partly[i/] true, it's no panacea. There are plenty of young men who get their start escorting, get a leg up thru some rich and powerful men, and then get to a glass ceiling because "everyone knows" what they did.

Also, I think some of this is comparing apples to oranges: the rent boys who go to parties with the Creme de la Creme of Gay society aren't street hustlers. Similarly, there are plenty of GG's who are escorting wealthy men to all sorts of evens that don't rent by the our, either, and in fact mosty guys not only don't know that their companionship is bought and paid for, but even if they found out wouldn't have the slightest idea where to start to look for access (because it ain't on Eros honey).

When it comes to TS, they get the same shit end of the stick they always get: the gay guys who are "out" have no problem squiring around pretty young boys. The straight guys have no problem dragging around their little "starlets". But a guy has to be rich or famous and :out" about TS's...... and then gets shit from both communities. He's not straight and he's not gay, so he gets no support and thus won't take the risk and always ends up with his "dirty little secret".

I will say, however, that I know of a number of cases of TS who were the mistresses of some fairly powerful guys over the last 20 years, BUT you NEVER saw them out with the TS crowd in the TS scene. They had to fly UTR as a TS and pass at all times.

[slinky]

.....

[slinky]

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[KiraHarden]

Ruby,

I'm mentioning this to clear up the misconception that most men cheat.



Yeah, let`s comment on the good old cliche of the "Cheating Man by deafult".
Many men cheat, no doubt, but I always wonder - when I hear lamenting on that fact from females - with WHOM?

Mostly OTHER females who in many cases KNOW VERY WELL what they are dealing with. Many female co-cheaters LOVE the thrills of STEALING away the men of another woman.

So, if some of you Escorts are concerned about that, and you KNOW you are dwaling with a married client, what about telling him that its immoral what he is doing?
I didnt take the vow and hes not paying me to be his conscious or to lecture him... Thats what therapists and priests are for...

[slinky]

.....

[tsmandy]

I've said this 150,000 times so once more won't hurt:

A guy can't win dating an escort, because if you ask her to quit, you are a controlling asshole, and if you don't ask her to quit, you are a heartless jerk, because "how could you care for me and still let me keep doing this?".

Wow that sucks. Do you mean you can't win with the girl you are dating, or you just can't win with anyone? Unless a girl is being pimped out by her date, responsibility for being a provider should rest on her shoulders.

[tsmandy]

I don't intend to go back to shit work either.

Hell no

[tsmandy]

Not trying to be negative on you. Just a simple fact. It's why I have a speech I give every girl i meet who is somewhere at the beginning of a "career" in sex work (and I don't only give it at the beginning): Once you do it for any length of time, it changes you. It changes the way you look at people. It changes the way you look at money. It changes the way you look at men. And those changes can be difficult if not impossible to reverse.

I think this is sensible. For me the changes were (I think) quite positive. I was down and out for a long time before I started escorting, dealt with alot of mean people, and didn't trust anyone, especially not men. Once I started interacting with guys who respected my boundries and my space, and once I saw an alternative to poverty and hopelessness, I was able to move on.

Maybe it will eventually come back to haunt me, but for the last 3 years my experiences have been overwhelmingly positive.




When you dance with the devil, the Devil don't change: the Devil changes you.

One of the hardest things is simply the Golden handcuffs. It's really tough to listen to some middle aged, bald, overweight, bad breath, under educated middle manager making $25 and hour bitch as you at a straight jobs after you've had guys begging to get $400 an hour appointment with you. And after just a little bit of it, it's very hard not to go "fuck it" and head right back to a life which was easier, faster, more fun, better pay, etc.

You're absolutely right. I want to avoid that at all costs. Fortunately for me, I will be quite content to live on a reasonable amount of money and do other things with my life for some time. That's one of the advantages to not living in a major city with high rents and living expenses.

[CaliGuy]

Nice pic TSMandy!

[AverageJob]

You can make anything out of a job regardless if its illegal

[Alyssa87]

“Why can't the more attractive passable ones live normal lives like regular women?”
I don’t know how life is in your neck of the woods, but where I come from, the general public is very slow to treat a TS as a ’regular woman’- no matter how feminine she may appear. If mama is playing real (stealth) she better hope word NEEEVER gets out. Because all it takes is an inkling of doubt from co-workers or classmates to be stripped of any femininity she may have acquired over time. And JUST LIKE THAT; you’re a faggot in girls clothes….PLEEEEASE take it from me.

There is no normal life. But if there was, a FINE Tgirl would not be the one leading it. Her world simply wont permit it.

[BeardedOne]

Oy. Just catching up here.

Welcome to Alyssa. What a fighter! I'm gonna give you some room. :shock:

Izzat JS, Joisey or JS, PA?

[BeardedOne]

I'm very late to the game here, but I read the last few pages to try and catch up.

Some of what hit me was what Ruby was saying. I've met that gurl and found her to be one of the most together people I've ever encountered. She's sharp, well versed, street savvy, and has talents far beyond the boudoir that many, if not all of her clients will never clue into. She has dreams and goals that I sincerely hope she achieves some day. But she suffers the same bullshit that all of these gurls encounter in the 'real world', from fear and misunderstanding and discrimination on a number of levels.

I read how she, and others, dream of the perfect relationship. One that both lures and encourages them away from 'the life'. I have occasional fantasies that I might be that someone for one of these gurls, but my personal path has left me too broken and unyielding to what many of these gurls really need: Trust and openness.

Yah, the money is a lure, but I've known people that were in the lap of luxury and threw it away to live a happier, less stressful life. Heh. The thought of less money = less stress is a new one on me, but it does work for some. Go figure. :shrug

As for relationships: There are some guys out there that don't hide the gurls as their 'dirty little sekrit'. At least a couple of the gurls here on HA can attest to the fact that I am not only happy to be seen in public with them but go to some length to show them off. :) My bad. It's rare that I am the guy in the restaurant with the best looking babe, so I flaunt it. ;)

I'm certainly not the one they are looking for (The Peter Pan cock-hound sort), but I surely hope they find the one they need.

As for the commercial end, I am just as much of a whore myself. I work a grunt job for less pay than it's worth and end each day with the hope that a bolt of lightning will kill me before the next morning. So far, God has been less than helpful. :x

[werwt22]

Time for my 2 cents. I hate for TS women to escort but if you truly feel that's what you have to do, then so be it. But what really pisses me off is when you get to the level of Allanah, Yasmin Lee, etc....and you continue to escort. They are beautiful as is and at the top of their game, and theres plenty of guys that will "wife" them at this level and they continue to do it. Why? I have no clue. Instead of getting out of the game, they just raise theyre prices and continue to escort. I think too many get used to living in the lap of luxury and dont know when to or wanna get out. I want a women with goals besides going from 100 roses to 400.

[Alyssa87]

Oh, and to respond to the initial question posed..
Firstly, if she was really passable, you wouldn’t have pegged her as a TS in the first place.
And all that ‘fine’-ness you refer to probably wasn’t there before escorting money was invested.

[LibertyHarkness]

Alot of girls actually enjoy the excitement of escorting...i have a good number of ts friends in uk that escort fulltime, many times i have asked why dont they get in adult films etc, usual reply is i can earn in a few days what your paysite will make you in a month...maybe its true maybe its not...

For some its a feeling that they have lifted someones day by making a fantasy come true...But again you pretty much hit the nail on the head greed is king....not that there is anything wrong with it...Alot of escorts have a game plan to capitalise on their looks/youth while they have them then bow out down the line and be kept women :)

but i guess the allure of making potentially 600-1000 pounds per day cash in hand, tax free is quite addictive for not alot of effort.

I have done escorting, wasnt really for me i just couldnt be arsed with it, didnt really enjoy it, though i love my adult modelling/ attempting to produce content lol and i still do some mistressing sessions at my dungeon studio which are much more amusing.

Also look at what a model gets paid compared to what they can earn escorting...Do the maths on a member pay site for a singular girl, then compare that monthly figure to how quickly one can earn that escorting.

I think most have goals of sorts, maybe its they want to reach a set financial figure for security, pay for surgeries etc.

just my thoughts on the subject.

[pittpanther2010]

I'm pretty sure being that beautiful isn't cheap buddy. You should take some comfort in the fact they're doing it to become who they really are.

[melissacarter]

To the original poster:

Easy to say with your dick in your hand and your head up your ass.

Now go out and pay for some TS cock.

[bulldog]

To answer your question and be brutally honest(hope the girls dont take offense), because it puts food on the table, gas in the car, pays for the surgeries, and is the fastest way to accumulate enough money to get SRS, after all, none of this shit is cheap anymore.

Ben

[Alyssa87]

Oy. Just catching up here.

Welcome to Alyssa. What a fighter! I'm gonna give you some room. :shock:

Izzat JS, Joisey or JS, PA?
jersey.lol

[blacktgirls]

:violin

omg mary stfu this turns me on, i luv a bad girl

[AdaraLove]

And why not..!