Question for Men, Your Son Wants to Become a TS?

[Floyd R]

Even though you love TS's could you accept your son (younger than 19 years old) wanting to become a TS? Would you provide emotionally and financial support to help with his transition in becoming a female?

[CORVETTEDUDE]

That requires a long and objective conversation. What makes him feel or believe he is a female trapped in the wrong body. Is that actually the case, or is he actually gay (regardless of whether he's acted out in any way). Objectivity, understanding and respect being keys to him completely opening up without fear of ridicule.

My thoughts are that the effort must be made to ensure he and averyone in the family completely understand the decision and what it means. If I make a decision with regard to my life's path, I don't expect everyone to agree...I do expect everyone to respect my right to the decision I've made. The question remaining, "How well thought out is that decision?"

[Tomfurbs]

Proper parenting is trying to allow your children to grow up happy and with the necessary attributes that will lead to a fulfilling life, without spoiling them. So yes, If I ever have children (which I am not planning on btw) I would support my childrens' transition. It would be rediculously hypocritical not to.

[Chaotic]

Even though you love TS's could you accept your son (younger than 19 years old) wanting to become a TS? Would you provide emotionally and financial support to help with his transition in becoming a female?

Well, I suppose this is the part where I try and score "coolness" points with all the t-girls with some insipid, sugar-coated answer. But I have to be honest, until I am ACTUALLY in such a situation, I cannot give a truthful answer. I would have to get over my initial emotional response before I could decide on the best course of action for that situation. Which is why I cannot give an honest answer, because who actually CAN predict their emotional response to such a situation until it actually happens?

Excellent question, though.

[KiraHarden]

I'm looking forward to some of these's answers... Esp since you guys are into TS woman...

[dan_drade]

That is a really challenging question. Every girl that has trasnitioned knows how hard it can be, and every guy that has really been with a TG woman has heard all the stories about it as well. That said, I think if my son were to tell me that he was really a girl, I would have to support him. I think I would go with him to some youth transgendered groups so that he can see others like him and know what the other kids thoughts and feelings are. I would also take him to a doctor and a psychiatrist as well so that he would know what a long process it would be to become a woman. If he was willing to do all of that and he still wanted to transition, he would have my blessing. I would help him both financially and emotionally.

The bottom line is that I love my son and I don't think he could ever do or say anything to make me stop loving him. I also don't understand how any mother or father could actually turn their back on one of their children just becase of the fact that their child belives they were born in the wrong body. I think I would probably hang myself before I could turn my back on my son.

One more thing. If you have a child that is transgendered, it is not like you have a choice in the matter. People are who people are, and a child will grow up to be transgendered if they truly feel that inside they are in the wrong body. And it is much easier to love you child than to hate them.

[KiraHarden]

That is a really challenging question. Every girl that has trasnitioned knows how hard it can be, and every guy that has really been with a TG woman has heard all the stories about it as well. That said, I think if my son were to tell me that he was really a girl, I would have to support him. I think I would go with him to some youth transgendered groups so that he can see others like him and know what the other kids thoughts and feelings are. I would also take him to a doctor and a psychiatrist as well so that he would know what a long process it would be to become a woman. If he was willing to do all of that and he still wanted to transition, he would have my blessing. I would help him both financially and emotionally.

The bottom line is that I love my son and I don't think he could ever do or say anything to make me stop loving him. I also don't understand how any mother or father could actually turn their back on one of their children just becase of the fact that their child belives they were born in the wrong body. I think I would probably hang myself before I could turn my back on my son.

One more thing. If you have a child that is transgendered, it is not like you have a choice in the matter. People are who people are, and a child will grow up to be transgendered if they truly feel that inside they are in the wrong body. And it is much easier to love you child than to hate them.
Very impressed, sounds like my father.

[whatsupwithat]

i really don't know what else to say except...of course. i don't have any children, but i know that i would fully support my son's (or daughter's) choice and transition. I really don't even see it as a question. and i hope that all of the other men (and women) here would feel the same. if anything, i would be proud of him or her for finding and accepting their true self. yes, it's not an easy road, but being untrue to yourself is a much more difficult path and one that only brings incredible suffering to you and to those around you.

[dan_drade]

That is a really challenging question. Every girl that has trasnitioned knows how hard it can be, and every guy that has really been with a TG woman has heard all the stories about it as well. That said, I think if my son were to tell me that he was really a girl, I would have to support him. I think I would go with him to some youth transgendered groups so that he can see others like him and know what the other kids thoughts and feelings are. I would also take him to a doctor and a psychiatrist as well so that he would know what a long process it would be to become a woman. If he was willing to do all of that and he still wanted to transition, he would have my blessing. I would help him both financially and emotionally.

The bottom line is that I love my son and I don't think he could ever do or say anything to make me stop loving him. I also don't understand how any mother or father could actually turn their back on one of their children just becase of the fact that their child belives they were born in the wrong body. I think I would probably hang myself before I could turn my back on my son.

One more thing. If you have a child that is transgendered, it is not like you have a choice in the matter. People are who people are, and a child will grow up to be transgendered if they truly feel that inside they are in the wrong body. And it is much easier to love you child than to hate them.
Very impressed, sounds like my father.

If your dad was like that, then you are a very lucky girl. I know a lot of girl's who's parents just turned their backs on them. That really sucks and must casues a lot of pain for the girls. And I would bet that it hurt just as much for their parents as well. That is why I would have to support my kid. I would never want to give him so much pain, and as a father I don't think I could handle the pain either.

[whatsupwithat]

I know a lot of girl's who's parents just turned their backs on them. That really sucks and must casues a lot of pain for the girls. And I would bet that it hurt just as much for their parents as well. That is why I would have to support my kid. I would never want to give him so much pain, and as a father I don't think I could handle the pain either.

beautiful what you wrote here and above. :)

[EyeCumInPiece]

Im gonna be brutally honest, id be very dissapointing and absolutely heartbroken if this happen to me. Of course id support and love my son (if i had one) no matter what. But initially id be shocked and upset about the prospect of not having grandkids.

[GrimFusion]

Even though you love TS's could you accept your son (younger than 19 years old) wanting to become a TS? Would you provide emotionally and financial support to help with his transition in becoming a female?

I wouldn't mind. I would be emotionally supportive, but not financially. Other than food, clothes, and the roof over my head, my parents never gave me one red cent. If my son wants it, he can pay for it.

[Chaotic]

Im gonna be brutally honest, id be very dissapointing and absolutely heartbroken if this happen to me. Of course id support and love my son (if i had one) no matter what. But initially id be shocked and upset about the prospect of not having grandkids.

I have to admit, that would probably be my MOST LIKELY initial reaction. Hewever, knowing how my warped little mind works, once the initial shock wears off, I would also learn all I can about transsexualism. I'd be looking into counselling services, support groups (for parents of the transgendered), checking out websites such as this one:

http://www.egale.ca/index.asp?lang=E&item=1086

Basically, I would try to understand his decision on my way to accepting it. But, since I have no sons either, I suppose this is all hypothetical, sin't it? ;)

[Night Rider]

This isn't me bullshitting because I'm on a TS forum but of course I would. It would be strange but I'd do the best to make my child feel comfortable. Obviously they would have to be 100% confident that they were born in the wrong body, and see the right people for counseling.

Good thread and it puts being T in perspective.

[KiraHarden]

Im gonna be brutally honest, id be very dissapointing and absolutely heartbroken if this happen to me. Of course id support and love my son (if i had one) no matter what. But initially id be shocked and upset about the prospect of not having grandkids.

I have to admit, that would probably be my MOST LIKELY initial reaction. Hewever, knowing how my warped little mind works, once the initial shock wears off, I would also learn all I can about transsexualism. I'd be looking into counselling services, support groups (for parents of the transgendered), checking out websites such as this one:

http://www.egale.ca/index.asp?lang=E&item=1086

Basically, I would try to understand his decision on my way to accepting it. But, since I have no sons either, I suppose this is all hypothetical, sin't it? ;)

When I told my father I was transition he was there for me, But I do remember that when I let him know I was having a Orchiectomy, he broke down and cryed , realizing that he would have no more grandchildren from me. :cry:

[Trogdor]

I don't intend to have kids, but yea, I'd back 'em all the way and even help out if I could.

And for people that get upset about not having grandchildren, you're all a bunch of selfish cows. :P

[Chaotic]

Im gonna be brutally honest, id be very dissapointing and absolutely heartbroken if this happen to me. Of course id support and love my son (if i had one) no matter what. But initially id be shocked and upset about the prospect of not having grandkids.

I have to admit, that would probably be my MOST LIKELY initial reaction. Hewever, knowing how my warped little mind works, once the initial shock wears off, I would also learn all I can about transsexualism. I'd be looking into counselling services, support groups (for parents of the transgendered), checking out websites such as this one:

http://www.egale.ca/index.asp?lang=E&item=1086

Basically, I would try to understand his decision on my way to accepting it. But, since I have no sons either, I suppose this is all hypothetical, sin't it? ;)

When I told my father I was transition he was there for me, But I do remember that when I let him know I was having a Orchiectomy, he broke down and cryed , realizing that he would have no more grandchildren from me. :cry:

Which I'm sure is a most common reaction, but he did end up supporting you in the end, at least. Did he also make an effort to educate himself on transsexualism?

[Quinn]

So long as my "son" decided to go to college and get a good education, he could do almost anything he wanted and enjoy my support, including transition. I'm not saying I would be happy about it because it's a hard road to follow, but I would support him.

-Quinn

[KiraHarden]

Im gonna be brutally honest, id be very dissapointing and absolutely heartbroken if this happen to me. Of course id support and love my son (if i had one) no matter what. But initially id be shocked and upset about the prospect of not having grandkids.

I have to admit, that would probably be my MOST LIKELY initial reaction. Hewever, knowing how my warped little mind works, once the initial shock wears off, I would also learn all I can about transsexualism. I'd be looking into counselling services, support groups (for parents of the transgendered), checking out websites such as this one:

http://www.egale.ca/index.asp?lang=E&item=1086

Basically, I would try to understand his decision on my way to accepting it. But, since I have no sons either, I suppose this is all hypothetical, sin't it? ;)

When I told my father I was transition he was there for me, But I do remember that when I let him know I was having a Orchiectomy, he broke down and cryed , realizing that he would have no more grandchildren from me. :cry:

Which I'm sure is a most common reaction, but he did end up supporting you in the end, at least. Did he also make an effort to educate himself on transsexualism?

He was there since the beginning, and always has been there... Hey, he excepts me as his beautiful daughter what more can I ask for.... he doesnt need to be educated, I'll save that for the clueless.

[Chaotic]

Im gonna be brutally honest, id be very dissapointing and absolutely heartbroken if this happen to me. Of course id support and love my son (if i had one) no matter what. But initially id be shocked and upset about the prospect of not having grandkids.

I have to admit, that would probably be my MOST LIKELY initial reaction. Hewever, knowing how my warped little mind works, once the initial shock wears off, I would also learn all I can about transsexualism. I'd be looking into counselling services, support groups (for parents of the transgendered), checking out websites such as this one:

http://www.egale.ca/index.asp?lang=E&item=1086

Basically, I would try to understand his decision on my way to accepting it. But, since I have no sons either, I suppose this is all hypothetical, sin't it? ;)

When I told my father I was transition he was there for me, But I do remember that when I let him know I was having a Orchiectomy, he broke down and cryed , realizing that he would have no more grandchildren from me. :cry:

Which I'm sure is a most common reaction, but he did end up supporting you in the end, at least. Did he also make an effort to educate himself on transsexualism?

He was there since the beginning, and always has been there... Hey, he excepts me as his beautiful daughter what more can I ask for.... he doesnt need to be educated, I'll save that for the clueless.

He gained a beautiful daughter, and we gained a beautiful hung angel! Dontcha' love happy endings? :D

[KiraHarden]

Im gonna be brutally honest, id be very dissapointing and absolutely heartbroken if this happen to me. Of course id support and love my son (if i had one) no matter what. But initially id be shocked and upset about the prospect of not having grandkids.

I have to admit, that would probably be my MOST LIKELY initial reaction. Hewever, knowing how my warped little mind works, once the initial shock wears off, I would also learn all I can about transsexualism. I'd be looking into counselling services, support groups (for parents of the transgendered), checking out websites such as this one:

http://www.egale.ca/index.asp?lang=E&item=1086

Shhhh! He thinks I'm a good girl and shy. :wink:

Basically, I would try to understand his decision on my way to accepting it. But, since I have no sons either, I suppose this is all hypothetical, sin't it? ;)

When I told my father I was transition he was there for me, But I do remember that when I let him know I was having a Orchiectomy, he broke down and cryed , realizing that he would have no more grandchildren from me. :cry:

Which I'm sure is a most common reaction, but he did end up supporting you in the end, at least. Did he also make an effort to educate himself on transsexualism?

He was there since the beginning, and always has been there... Hey, he excepts me as his beautiful daughter what more can I ask for.... he doesnt need to be educated, I'll save that for the clueless.

He gained a beautiful daughter, and we gained a beautiful hung angel! Dontcha' love happy endings? :D

Shhh! He thinks I'm a good girl and shy

[Chuck]

Even though you love TS's could you accept your son (younger than 19 years old) wanting to become a TS? Would you provide emotionally and financial support to help with his transition in becoming a female?

To be honest with you I would think that my son has been corrupted by finding my stash of shemale porn.

If he's serious I would give him an honest evaluation of his chances of being a passable TS -- because Dad would know. If he can be a half decent looking one and if a shrink is convinced that he is sincere in his need to become a woman then I would help him. If he's just a gay boy or a twink I'm not helping him transform.

[dan_drade]

Even though you love TS's could you accept your son (younger than 19 years old) wanting to become a TS? Would you provide emotionally and financial support to help with his transition in becoming a female?

To be honest with you I would think that my son has been corrupted by finding my stash of shemale porn.

If he's serious I would give him an honest evaluation of his chances of being a passable TS -- because Dad would know. If he can be a half decent looking one and if a shrink is convinced that he is sincere in his need to become a woman then I would help him. If he's just a gay boy or a twink I'm not helping him transform.

Why would you think your son wants to transition just because he found your stash of porn?

[mbf]

this is one of those VERY hypothetical questions, which are extremely difficult to answer. simply, bc the scenario is soooo distant for me right now.

fact is, I would like to have kids some time in the future, I am now in my late 20ies and I plan to take serious steps into that direction when I am around 35. so, a scenario like that described is due in 2030 !!!

but, seriously, I can not see me NOT support him/her (?). He is my son, no matter what he ever did.

[Chuck]

Even though you love TS's could you accept your son (younger than 19 years old) wanting to become a TS? Would you provide emotionally and financial support to help with his transition in becoming a female?

To be honest with you I would think that my son has been corrupted by finding my stash of shemale porn.

If he's serious I would give him an honest evaluation of his chances of being a passable TS -- because Dad would know. If he can be a half decent looking one and if a shrink is convinced that he is sincere in his need to become a woman then I would help him. If he's just a gay boy or a twink I'm not helping him transform.

Why would you think your son wants to transition just because he found your stash of porn?

That type of exposure at a young age does affect them to a much lesser degree but similar to being molested as a child. Children should not be exposed to porn in any form.

[62des]

Uhh, hell no I wouldn't claim him. For reasons I wouldn't mention because it'll spark a flame war. Lets just say if I had a boy that's what I expect to end up with and vice versa with a girl. But if I found out that he like trannies it wouldn't matter to me as long as he still had kids and married a GG.

[KiraHarden]

Even though you love TS's could you accept your son (younger than 19 years old) wanting to become a TS? Would you provide emotionally and financial support to help with his transition in becoming a female?

To be honest with you I would think that my son has been corrupted by finding my stash of shemale porn.

If he's serious I would give him an honest evaluation of his chances of being a passable TS -- because Dad would know. If he can be a half decent looking one and if a shrink is convinced that he is sincere in his need to become a woman then I would help him. If he's just a gay boy or a twink I'm not helping him transform.

WHAT!!! yeah TS porn corrupted me, thats the reason... damn TS Porno chicks.

[Chuck]

Even though you love TS's could you accept your son (younger than 19 years old) wanting to become a TS? Would you provide emotionally and financial support to help with his transition in becoming a female?

To be honest with you I would think that my son has been corrupted by finding my stash of shemale porn.

If he's serious I would give him an honest evaluation of his chances of being a passable TS -- because Dad would know. If he can be a half decent looking one and if a shrink is convinced that he is sincere in his need to become a woman then I would help him. If he's just a gay boy or a twink I'm not helping him transform.

WHAT!!! yeah TS porn corrupted me, thats the reason... damn TS Porno chicks.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying....if not for TS porn I would still be a happily married man with 2.5 kids.

Seriously though Kim I was not saying that as a definitive statement. Clearly you are TS because it is what you were meant to be. You did the "man thing" served your country and decided it was time to DO YOU.

[dan_drade]

Even though you love TS's could you accept your son (younger than 19 years old) wanting to become a TS? Would you provide emotionally and financial support to help with his transition in becoming a female?

To be honest with you I would think that my son has been corrupted by finding my stash of shemale porn.

If he's serious I would give him an honest evaluation of his chances of being a passable TS -- because Dad would know. If he can be a half decent looking one and if a shrink is convinced that he is sincere in his need to become a woman then I would help him. If he's just a gay boy or a twink I'm not helping him transform.

Why would you think your son wants to transition just because he found your stash of porn?

That type of exposure at a young age does affect them to a much lesser degree but similar to being molested as a child. Children should not be exposed to porn in any form.
If that is the case, then we are going to have one fucked up generation of kids soon. Just about every kid now has access to the Internet as well as an e-mail account. If you have Internet accces, you have probably seen porn, and if you have an e-mail account, you have probably seen even more porn.
So, if what you say is true. All of our kids are going to grow up to be TS's, Gay's, Lesbians, abusive husbands, scat lovers, etc...

[Chuck]

Even though you love TS's could you accept your son (younger than 19 years old) wanting to become a TS? Would you provide emotionally and financial support to help with his transition in becoming a female?

To be honest with you I would think that my son has been corrupted by finding my stash of shemale porn.

If he's serious I would give him an honest evaluation of his chances of being a passable TS -- because Dad would know. If he can be a half decent looking one and if a shrink is convinced that he is sincere in his need to become a woman then I would help him. If he's just a gay boy or a twink I'm not helping him transform.

Why would you think your son wants to transition just because he found your stash of porn?

That type of exposure at a young age does affect them to a much lesser degree but similar to being molested as a child. Children should not be exposed to porn in any form.
If that is the case, then we are going to have one fucked up generation of kids soon. Just about every kid now has access to the Internet as well as an e-mail account. If you have Internet accces, you have probably seen porn, and if you have an e-mail account, you have probably seen even more porn.
So, if what you say is true. All of our kids are going to grow up to be TS's, Gay's, Lesbians, abusive husbands, scat lovers, etc...

Yes they will. I already caught my 9 year old son jerkin off. I didn't learn about that shit until I was 13. He's obviously seen it somewhere. Hopefully not from me.

[Chuck]

Even though you love TS's could you accept your son (younger than 19 years old) wanting to become a TS? Would you provide emotionally and financial support to help with his transition in becoming a female?

To be honest with you I would think that my son has been corrupted by finding my stash of shemale porn.

If he's serious I would give him an honest evaluation of his chances of being a passable TS -- because Dad would know. If he can be a half decent looking one and if a shrink is convinced that he is sincere in his need to become a woman then I would help him. If he's just a gay boy or a twink I'm not helping him transform.

Why would you think your son wants to transition just because he found your stash of porn?

That type of exposure at a young age does affect them to a much lesser degree but similar to being molested as a child. Children should not be exposed to porn in any form.
If that is the case, then we are going to have one fucked up generation of kids soon. Just about every kid now has access to the Internet as well as an e-mail account. If you have Internet accces, you have probably seen porn, and if you have an e-mail account, you have probably seen even more porn.
So, if what you say is true. All of our kids are going to grow up to be TS's, Gay's, Lesbians, abusive husbands, scat lovers, etc...

Yes they will. I already caught my 9 year old son jerkin off. I didn't learn about that shit until I was 13. He's obviously seen it somewhere. Hopefully not from me.:shock: I taught myself how to jerk off. Do you really need porn to learn that?

Good point Nicole. I learned about jerkin' off from a hospital security guard when I was 13. I was visiting my grandmother and the man in uniform lured me to a private restroom in the sub-basement level and instructed me on the fine art of mastrubation. I thought everybody learned it that way.

[62des]

^ Its not that obvious. I learned from TV and friends. What kid thinks all of a sudden "hey I wonder what happens if I pump this thing?"

[mbf]

Yes they will. I already caught my 9 year old son jerkin off. I didn't learn about that shit until I was 13. He's obviously seen it somewhere. Hopefully not from me.

how ridiculous. I jerked off at that age for the first time myself, I didnt even had pubic hair already and I had not seen any porn.

you know, kids are adventurous, curiuos, they RUB at things, and if it feels good they keep it up :roll:

[dan_drade]

Even though you love TS's could you accept your son (younger than 19 years old) wanting to become a TS? Would you provide emotionally and financial support to help with his transition in becoming a female?

To be honest with you I would think that my son has been corrupted by finding my stash of shemale porn.

If he's serious I would give him an honest evaluation of his chances of being a passable TS -- because Dad would know. If he can be a half decent looking one and if a shrink is convinced that he is sincere in his need to become a woman then I would help him. If he's just a gay boy or a twink I'm not helping him transform.

Why would you think your son wants to transition just because he found your stash of porn?

That type of exposure at a young age does affect them to a much lesser degree but similar to being molested as a child. Children should not be exposed to porn in any form.
If that is the case, then we are going to have one fucked up generation of kids soon. Just about every kid now has access to the Internet as well as an e-mail account. If you have Internet accces, you have probably seen porn, and if you have an e-mail account, you have probably seen even more porn.
So, if what you say is true. All of our kids are going to grow up to be TS's, Gay's, Lesbians, abusive husbands, scat lovers, etc...

Yes they will. I already caught my 9 year old son jerkin off. I didn't learn about that shit until I was 13. He's obviously seen it somewhere. Hopefully not from me.

Come on now, that does not make your son a TS. I think the first time I played with my little guy I was about 10. I got excited looking at pics of little girls in panties and traning bras in the JCPenny catalog LOL. Everyone progresses at a different age.

[Night Rider]

Good point Nicole. I learned about jerkin' off from a hospital security guard when I was 13. I was visiting my grandmother and the man in uniform lured me to a private restroom in the sub-basement level and instructed me on the fine art of mastrubation. I thought everybody learned it that way.

:what

[dan_drade]

Good point Nicole. I learned about jerkin' off from a hospital security guard when I was 13. I was visiting my grandmother and the man in uniform lured me to a private restroom in the sub-basement level and instructed me on the fine art of mastrubation. I thought everybody learned it that way.

I guess that is a strange way to learn how to masturbate. Now I am not saying that you are a child abuser so don't get all pissed off. But here is a true stat.
"Not all sexually abused children grow up to be sexual child abusers. But all sexual child abusers were sexually abused as children."

[KiraHarden]

lets stick to the original post, this is not about PORN.

[Chuck]

Good point Nicole. I learned about jerkin' off from a hospital security guard when I was 13. I was visiting my grandmother and the man in uniform lured me to a private restroom in the sub-basement level and instructed me on the fine art of mastrubation. I thought everybody learned it that way.

I guess that is a strange way to learn how to masturbate. Now I am not saying that you are a child abuser so don't get all pissed off. But here is a true stat.
"Not all sexually abused children grow up to be sexual child abusers. But all sexual child abusers were sexually abused as children."

That's not being sexually abused DUMBASS. Lucky for me the dude never touched me. He just had a thing for watching kids jerk off, and I never saw him again. I did become a sexual deviant though. I like trannies, and for that I blame this early exposure to mastrubation.

[Night Rider]

That's not being sexually abused DUMBASS. Lucky for me the dude never touched me. He just had a thing for watching kids jerk off, and I never saw him again. I did become a sexual deviant though. I like trannies, and for that I blame this early exposure to mastrubation.

That's pretty fucked up. How can you say that that's how you're attracted to "trannies" though? I think that's an ignorant statement.

[Chuck]

That's not being sexually abused DUMBASS. Lucky for me the dude never touched me. He just had a thing for watching kids jerk off, and I never saw him again. I did become a sexual deviant though. I like trannies, and for that I blame this early exposure to mastrubation.

That's pretty fucked up. How can you say that that's how you're attracted to "trannies" though? I think that's an ignorant statement.

Dude I'm a victim...I have to blame someone.

[Night Rider]

That's not being sexually abused DUMBASS. Lucky for me the dude never touched me. He just had a thing for watching kids jerk off, and I never saw him again. I did become a sexual deviant though. I like trannies, and for that I blame this early exposure to mastrubation.

That's pretty fucked up. How can you say that that's how you're attracted to "trannies" though? I think that's an ignorant statement.

Dude I'm a victim...I have to blame someone.

Blame for what?

[Chuck]

That's not being sexually abused DUMBASS. Lucky for me the dude never touched me. He just had a thing for watching kids jerk off, and I never saw him again. I did become a sexual deviant though. I like trannies, and for that I blame this early exposure to mastrubation.

That's pretty fucked up. How can you say that that's how you're attracted to "trannies" though? I think that's an ignorant statement.

Dude I'm a victim...I have to blame someone.

Blame for what?

My sexual deviance. Liking trannies just isn't normal, but I love them anyway, but it has robbed me of any hope of a normal life.

[Night Rider]

My sexual deviance. Liking trannies just isn't normal, but I love them anyway, but it has robbed me of any hope of a normal life.

It depends how you define normal. People can get over these things with therapy, it's not the end of the world.

[Chuck]

Bottom line is this. If my son wants to become I tranny I got his back. Better I pay for it rather than him escorting, doing drugs, being homeless, catching STD's and HIV, and falling for any guy who uses and beats him, and has a bunch of no good deceitful tranny girlfiriends who steal her money and boyfriends. No bull, I would love my son till the end but he will always be my son.

[dan_drade]

Bottom line is this. If my son wants to become I tranny I got his back. Better I pay for it rather than him escorting, doing drugs, being homeless, catching STD's and HIV, and falling for any guy who uses and beats him, and has a bunch of no good deceitful tranny girlfiriends who steal her money and boyfriends. No bull, I would love my son till the end but he will always be my son. :claps

[Jericho]

That type of exposure at a young age does affect them to a much lesser degree but similar to being molested as a child. Children should not be exposed to porn in any form.

Ya mean if they see "Two Cups", they'll grow up into little shits? :roll:

Back to the question.
I don't have kids, doubtful in the extreme that i ever will have, but...
You support your children, no matter what.

[62des]

^But why did you continue to refer to him as your "son"?

[Chuck]

No bull, I would love my son till the end but he will always be my son.I think if you just began looking that the person as your child, who was born with male genitalia but probably should have been born with female genitalia, you'd save yourself and them from alot of confusion and pain. But I think eventually it would be best if you'd accept that this is your daughter

BULLSHIT!! He will always be my son. If he can't give birth to babies then he's a son.

[Night Rider]

No bitching Nicole.

How is it ok for a tgirl to be a father but not to be a son?

Serious question.

[Chuck]

No bitching Nicole.

How is it ok for a tgirl to be a father but not to be a son?

Serious question.


Good point!

If a child could still have his / her father (while understadanding the uniqueness of their father) then why can't a father still have his son (while understanding the uniqueness of his son).

[62des]

Really, if the father of a tgirl even cared enough to even support her being a TS, then why the fuck should she even care wether he wants to refer to her as still his son? Can't have it all so just be happy that you're even getting support.

[dan_drade]

You can draw the line in the sand wherever you feel most comfortable when it comes to refering to your child. But if you want to support her 100%, you will have to refer to her as your daughter. That is what she would like you to call her.

[Chuck]

You can draw the line in the sand wherever you feel most comfortable when it comes to refering to your child. But if you want to support her 100%, you will have to refer to her as your daughter. That is what she would like you to call her.

If it's my child then he knows the rules of life as I have taught them.

RULE #1 Nothing in life is free. You want my money to assist you in this life altering transition then I still get to call you my son.

In the end it's a small price to pay to please an old man.

[Night Rider]

If it's my child then he knows the rules of life as I have taught them.

RULE #1 Nothing in life is free. You want my money to assist you in this life altering transition then I still get to call you my son.

In the end it's a small price to pay to please an old man.

I don't agree. There are plenty of things in life that are free [love, repect, manners... bla, bla, bla]

It's a small price to pay to please your child, after all they didn't ask to be brought into the world. If you loved your child that much and supported her transition, then it's not a big deal to call her your daughter.

[Chuck]

If it's my child then he knows the rules of life as I have taught them.

RULE #1 Nothing in life is free. You want my money to assist you in this life altering transition then I still get to call you my son.

In the end it's a small price to pay to please an old man.

I don't agree. There are plenty of things in life that are free [love, repect, manners... bla, bla, bla]

It's a small price to pay to please your child, after all they didn't ask to be brought into the world. If you loved your child that much and supported her transition, then it's not a big deal to call her your daughter.

You obviously have no children of your own or the most rudimentary understanding of parenting. If the child is mine then he knows me and my ways and will gladly accept my terms.

[Night Rider]

The child isn't your possession, it's your child. You seem to be froze in the 1950s when women were no more than housewives and children had to follow strict, unjust rules.

[Chuck]

The child isn't your possession, it's your child. You seem to be froze in the 1950s when women were no more than housewives and children had to follow strict, unjust rules.

When you raise children of your own then we can talk. I have said absolutely nothing about women and strict or unjust rules.

I said I would help my son, but that I would still consider him to be my son. If he doesn't like that then he can be a homeless, prostituting, drug addicted, used and abused tranny like all the rest. My guess is that he will gladly still be daddy's son.

[dan_drade]

Hey Chuck, how old are you? I am not asking to slam you or anything, but I am just curious to know if you are an older guy or a younger guy.

[Night Rider]

The child isn't your possession, it's your child. You seem to be froze in the 1950s when women were no more than housewives and children had to follow strict, unjust rules.

When you raise children of your own then we can talk. I have said absolutely nothing about women and strict or unjust rules.

I said I would help my son, but that I would still consider him to be my son. If he doesn't like that then he can be a homeless, prostituting, drug addicted, used and abused tranny like all the rest. My guess is that he will gladly still be daddy's son.

If I was him, I'd tell you to shove your relationship up your ass. You obviously need help and if I were you, I wouldn't be raising any more children until you sort yourself out.

You're a disgrace to humanity.

[Chuck]

Hey Chuck, how old are you? I am not asking to slam you or anything, but I am just curious to know if you are an older guy or a younger guy.

I am not some kind of neanderthal. My son, should he choose to become a TS would have it better than 99% of the young trannies out here. First he would have a financialy supportive father and secondly he would have a beautiful tranny step mother.

But just as I am realistic and honest about the true gender of my transsexual S/O I am also realistic about the gender of my TS son.

I have loved my TS girlfriends in the past and always treated them like ladies but in our private moments she knows that while she is not a dude she is a male.

[Chuck]

I love trannies. I really do. But some of you are NUTS. Yes you are more beautiful than most women but you're still males. END OF STORY. If I can accept that as the man who loves you and treats you like a lady then why can't you?

[Legend]

Of course i would give him support if they were bi/gay or trans,as long as he is following a positive view on life.

[Chuck]

Hey Chuck, how old are you? I am not asking to slam you or anything, but I am just curious to know if you are an older guy or a younger guy.

I am not some kind of neanderthal. My son, should he choose to become a TS would have it better than 99% of the young trannies out here. First he would have a financialy supportive father and secondly he would have a beautiful tranny step mother.

But just as I am realistic and honest about the true gender of my transsexual S/O I am also realistic about the gender of my TS son.You're very unrealistic.

My last girlfriend was beautiful. GORGEOUS!!!

At the same time she was a man.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

You can draw the line in the sand wherever you feel most comfortable when it comes to refering to your child. But if you want to support her 100%, you will have to refer to her as your daughter. That is what she would like you to call her.

If it's my child then he knows the rules of life as I have taught them.

RULE #1 Nothing in life is free. You want my money to assist you in this life altering transition then I still get to call you my son.

In the end it's a small price to pay to please an old man.

That sounds like you've fallen off the fence to the "Red Neck" side.

[Chuck]

You can draw the line in the sand wherever you feel most comfortable when it comes to refering to your child. But if you want to support her 100%, you will have to refer to her as your daughter. That is what she would like you to call her.

If it's my child then he knows the rules of life as I have taught them.

RULE #1 Nothing in life is free. You want my money to assist you in this life altering transition then I still get to call you my son.

In the end it's a small price to pay to please an old man.

That sounds like you've fallen off the fence to the "Red Neck" side.

Too bad I'm not white :lol:

[CORVETTEDUDE]

You can draw the line in the sand wherever you feel most comfortable when it comes to refering to your child. But if you want to support her 100%, you will have to refer to her as your daughter. That is what she would like you to call her.

If it's my child then he knows the rules of life as I have taught them.

RULE #1 Nothing in life is free. You want my money to assist you in this life altering transition then I still get to call you my son.

In the end it's a small price to pay to please an old man.

That sounds like you've fallen off the fence to the "Red Neck" side.

Too bad I'm not white :lol:

Attitude does not have a color!!!

[Chuck]

I have clearly touched a nerve here and if I have offended anyone by pointing out that I would financially support my son should he decide to become a TS AND that he would have the emotional support of me and his transgendered step mom then I apologize.

[dan_drade]

You can draw the line in the sand wherever you feel most comfortable when it comes to refering to your child. But if you want to support her 100%, you will have to refer to her as your daughter. That is what she would like you to call her.

If it's my child then he knows the rules of life as I have taught them.

RULE #1 Nothing in life is free. You want my money to assist you in this life altering transition then I still get to call you my son.

In the end it's a small price to pay to please an old man.

That sounds like you've fallen off the fence to the "Red Neck" side.

In Chucks defense, I don't think that he has fallen off hte fence to the "Red Neck" side. I just don't think that he fully understands what it is for someone to transition whether they are m2f or f2m. He seems to support and love his kid, so I think it would just be a matter of time and understanding before he starts refering to her as his daughter.

[Night Rider]

I have clearly touched a nerve here and if I have offended anyone by pointing out that I would financially support my son should he decide to become a TS AND that he would have the emotional support of me and his transgendered step mom then I apologize.

That's not the reason we're offended. It's the fact that you would dissown your own child just for the reason that they didn't want to be called your "son".

[Chuck]

I have clearly touched a nerve here and if I have offended anyone by pointing out that I would financially support my son should he decide to become a TS AND that he would have the emotional support of me and his transgendered step mom then I apologize.

That's not the reason we're offended. It's the fact that you would dissown your own child just for the reason that they didn't want to be called your "son".

I never said I would disown my son, but my son would understand, as I stated earlier, that nothing in life is free. Because he is my son -- and you're not -- he would understand this.

[KiraHarden]

I have clearly touched a nerve here and if I have offended anyone by pointing out that I would financially support my son should he decide to become a TS AND that he would have the emotional support of me and his transgendered step mom then I apologize.

Dont you mean his transgendered stepdad since your TS daughter is still a guy in your view, that would only mean that your wife is her stepfather and not her stepmom. She would be your husband and not wife then as well.

[MacShreach]

The funny thing is, speaking a a parent, this is a total no-brainer. You support the child and deal with any issues you may have in private. That's the way it is with kids. You're not allowed to bring it up and remind them of the torture they put you through until they hit 30.

There's one caveat which I mentioned in another thread-- I would be dubious about permitting hormone treatment under age 16, and strive to get puberty-delaying therapy prescribed instead. They can leave school, get a job and get married at 16, so at that point they get the choice. Most boys don't hit puberty until 12 or 13, so waiting three years or so, while using treatment to delay the effects of puberty, is not a great issue in the grand scheme of things.

Other than that, see above.

Oh yes--after transition, the son would become another daughter. No probs there.

[Night Rider]

I never said I would disown my son, but my son would understand, as I stated earlier, that nothing in life is free. Because he is my son -- and you're not -- he would understand this.

I thought that's what you meant by this.



I said I would help my son, but that I would still consider him to be my son. If he doesn't like that then he can be a homeless, prostituting, drug addicted, used and abused tranny like all the rest. My guess is that he will gladly still be daddy's son.

[Chuck]

Let me just point out, Kira and Nicole, I think you are both beautiful and self confident women. I have always been impressed. But in the privacy of our bedroom you don't have to be a lady. Turn me over and pound that ass. It'll just be our little secret.

[KiraHarden]

Let me just point out, Kira and Nicole, I think you are both beautiful and self confident women. I have always been impressed. But in the privacy of our bedroom you don't have to be a lady. Turn me over and pound that ass. It'll just be our little secret.

I would never turn a man over and fuck his ass anyway... And why would I protect your secret life anyway. I have nothing to hide.

[Chuck]

Let me just point out, Kira and Nicole, I think you are both beautiful and self confident women. I have always been impressed. But in the privacy of our bedroom you don't have to be a lady. Turn me over and pound that ass. It'll just be our little secret.Can I call you my bitch? ;)

Absolutely! And I get real turned on if you do that in public!!

[KiraHarden]

Let me just point out, Kira and Nicole, I think you are both beautiful and self confident women. I have always been impressed. But in the privacy of our bedroom you don't have to be a lady. Turn me over and pound that ass. It'll just be our little secret.Can I call you my bitch? ;)
I was thinking same thing, now we know why he wants to call us men.?

[Chuck]

Back to the topic of my soon to be TS son....I would still love him....I would support him financialy....and in the privacy of our home I would still call him by his birth name -- but never in public.

[Chuck]

Let me just point out, Kira and Nicole, I think you are both beautiful and self confident women. I have always been impressed. But in the privacy of our bedroom you don't have to be a lady. Turn me over and pound that ass. It'll just be our little secret.Can I call you my bitch? ;)
I was thinking same thing, now we know why he wants to call us men.?

So, why can't you just be AGGRESSIVE WOMEN??

There are women who turn their men over and fukk them.

[KiraHarden]

Back to the topic of my soon to be TS son....I would still love him....I would support him financialy....and in the privacy of our home I would still call him by his birth name -- but never in public.
But are you calling your TS wife/gf by her birthname, and calling her your husband in pvt as well.

[Chuck]

Let me just point out, Kira and Nicole, I think you are both beautiful and self confident women. I have always been impressed. But in the privacy of our bedroom you don't have to be a lady. Turn me over and pound that ass. It'll just be our little secret.Can I call you my bitch? ;)
I was thinking same thing, now we know why he wants to call us men.?

So, why can't you just be AGGRESSIVE WOMEN??

There are women who turn thei?r men over and fukk them.You just got finished saying that we're men.

I never called you men. I just pointed out that I know you are males, but I would never call you that. I would love you too much to disresepct you like that.

[KiraHarden]

Let me just point out, Kira and Nicole, I think you are both beautiful and self confident women. I have always been impressed. But in the privacy of our bedroom you don't have to be a lady. Turn me over and pound that ass. It'll just be our little secret.Can I call you my bitch? ;)
I was thinking same thing, now we know why he wants to call us men.?

So, why can't you just be AGGRESSIVE WOMEN??

There are women who turn their men over and fukk them.
How can you want a aggresive woman in the bedroom if you view as us as men in pvt. What you want is a agressive man with boobs.

[Night Rider]

:popcorn :popcorn :popcorn

You're digging a hole Chuck

[Chuck]

Back to the topic of my soon to be TS son....I would still love him....I would support him financialy....and in the privacy of our home I would still call him by his birth name -- but never in public.
But are you calling your TS wife/gf by her birthname, and calling her your husband in pvt as well.

OK, I have been officially beaten down by two lovely intelligent transgendered women who poked holes in my argument. I would never call my TS wife by her birth name. And she is not my husband, she is my wife.

[Chuck]

Let me just point out, Kira and Nicole, I think you are both beautiful and self confident women. I have always been impressed. But in the privacy of our bedroom you don't have to be a lady. Turn me over and pound that ass. It'll just be our little secret.Can I call you my bitch? ;)
I was thinking same thing, now we know why he wants to call us men.?

So, why can't you just be AGGRESSIVE WOMEN??

There are women who turn their men over and fukk them.
How can you want a aggresive woman in the bedroom if you view as us as men in pvt. What you want is a agressive man with boobs.

YES, and she has to be feminine in public. Thank you so much Kira...do you know her???????????????

[Night Rider]

I think this is more your taste Chuck..

http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/1fd7df5f-ce32-4170-8bbe-95bbc214da27/moobs0919_210.jpg?size=l

[dan_drade]

Back to the topic of my soon to be TS son....I would still love him....I would support him financialy....and in the privacy of our home I would still call him by his birth name -- but never in public.
But are you calling your TS wife/gf by her birthname, and calling her your husband in pvt as well.

OK, I have been officially beaten down by two lovely intelligent transgendered women who poked holes in my argument. I would never call my TS wife by her birth name. And she is not my husband, she is my wife.

OK girls,
I think Chuck gets the point now and he has taken his beating like a man in the end (opps, a little freaudian slip there). IMHO, I think he would do everything to make his new daughter feel loved.

[Chuck]

Back to the topic of my soon to be TS son....I would still love him....I would support him financialy....and in the privacy of our home I would still call him by his birth name -- but never in public.
But are you calling your TS wife/gf by her birthname, and calling her your husband in pvt as well.

OK, I have been officially beaten down by two lovely intelligent transgendered women who poked holes in my argument. I would never call my TS wife by her birth name. And she is not my husband, she is my wife.

OK girls,
I think Chuck gets the point now and he has taken his beating like a man in the end (opps, a little freaudian slip there). IMHO, I think he would do everything to make his new daughter feel loved.

Yes, and now all I need is the stepmom for her.

[KiraHarden]

Let me just point out, Kira and Nicole, I think you are both beautiful and self confident women. I have always been impressed. But in the privacy of our bedroom you don't have to be a lady. Turn me over and pound that ass. It'll just be our little secret.Can I call you my bitch? ;)
I was thinking same thing, now we know why he wants to call us men.?

So, why can't you just be AGGRESSIVE WOMEN??

There are women who turn their men over and fukk them.
How can you want a aggresive woman in the bedroom if you view as us as men in pvt. What you want is a agressive man with boobs.

YES, and she has to be feminine in public. Thank you so much Kira...do you know her???????????????

No i dont know her and I cant see how she would even share your views on this subject.... you could lose her and your TS daughter. Would that be worth it.

[Chuck]

Let me just point out, Kira and Nicole, I think you are both beautiful and self confident women. I have always been impressed. But in the privacy of our bedroom you don't have to be a lady. Turn me over and pound that ass. It'll just be our little secret.Can I call you my bitch? ;)
I was thinking same thing, now we know why he wants to call us men.?

So, why can't you just be AGGRESSIVE WOMEN??

There are women who turn their men over and fukk them.
How can you want a aggresive woman in the bedroom if you view as us as men in pvt. What you want is a agressive man with boobs.

YES, and she has to be feminine in public. Thank you so much Kira...do you know her???????????????

No i dont know her and I cant see how she would even share your views on this subject.... you could lose her and your TS daughter. Would that be worth it.

After this exchange with you and Nicole I would NEVER tell her (my future wife) what I expressed to you today. You're right, I would lose them both.

I'd just keep it to myself. No use rocking the boat and losing any chance of lifelong happiness I might have.

[KiraHarden]

PSST! can we get back to the original post now?

[Willie Escalade]

PSST! can we get back to the original post now?
I will.

If my son decided to get SRS, I would support him all of the way. No matter what happens, he/she will always be my offspring. Since I am exposed to the community more than others, I have a sense of understanding. Of course I'd talk to him about all of the pluses and minuses, including people's reactions and such. It's a big decision, buy I'd be behind him the whole way.

[SarahG]

That type of exposure at a young age does affect them to a much lesser degree but similar to being molested as a child. Children should not be exposed to porn in any form.

You really think people suddenly get GID from viewing porn or being the victim of a sex crime? :shock:



My sexual deviance. Liking trannies just isn't normal, but I love them anyway, but it has robbed me of any hope of a normal life.

Fuck, If you think being into tgirls is sexual deviance.... how much more vanilla can you get in your views of the world?

In the grand of scheme of things, its possibly one of the most mild fetishes out there. Did you catch the "sexy farts" thread by chance?


The child isn't your possession, it's your child. You seem to be froze in the 1950s when women were no more than housewives and children had to follow strict, unjust rules.

You're gonna have to go back further than that!

Some of the enlightenment era philosophers (I think Lock was one of them?) believed that kids were the property of God until they reach the point where they have the same natural rights as adults. The concept of slavery lasted longer than the concept of parental ownership of their children.

[tsntx]

finally a GOOD topic

[CORVETTEDUDE]

finally a GOOD topic

That's it, Jen?? That's all you're gonna say???

[Bee]

I'll told him to think about it again and again...I love TS Women, but still..that's a big decision for him (he's below 19, right?), and if he still want to become one, and he/she could be more happy with his/her life, i'd say.. Yes! I would support him

[justatransgirl]

Ok, this has been interesting. What I've gleaned from it so far is most of the men here don't seem to have a real solid understanding of what it means to be transgendered.

I appreciate Chucks being open in his discussion. I think you still have much to learn honey but thank you for the dialogue, it's how you learn if you keep an open mind. I think you'd make a good father for a T-girl, eventually.

And probably Nicole has the most experience with this, thanks for your comments.

My own Father was a great guy. One reason I didn't transition until after his death (I started hormones a few months later) was to spare him the headaches and embarrassment of his son becoming a woman. Though in retrospect I think he would have been cool with it.

My Mother certainly hasn't been. She has been the single negative aspect of my transition. Sigh.

So parents please support and love your kids unconditionally, whatever ever they are.

Hugs,
TS Jamie :-)

[Chuck]

What's worse? Being a guy who loves TG's and is in total denial about what he is doing? Or a guy who loves TG's and accepts that he is loving and sleeping with genetic males? So how am I a neanderthal for accepting what 50% of the men on this site are in denial about? My TG son would always be my son. He would just be my TG son but never a daughter. I have those (daughters) too and know the difference. In public "she" would always be the gender and name "she" has chosen. At home "he" would always be Ty.

[memyself]

I think its more 'are u comftable with th idea 2 start with?'

[Nowhere]

What's worse? Being a guy who loves TG's and is in total denial about what he is doing? Or a guy who loves TG's and accepts that he is loving and sleeping with genetic males? So how am I a neanderthal for accepting what 50% of the men on this site are in denial about? My TG son would always be my son. He would just be my TG son but never a daughter. I have those (daughters) too and know the difference. In public "she" would always be the gender and name "she" has chosen. At home "he" would always be Ty.

Honestly, that's a complete power trip (you denying your child the their essence, just to have it hover over her head) which you're reconciling in your mind by needs-based support.

To consistantly call her "your son" is to permanently never accept her, and that's an intentional mind-f*ck.

[memyself]

What's worse? Being.''' At home "he" would always be Ty.

Honestly, that's a complete power trip (you denying your child the their essence, just to have it hover over her head) which you're reconciling in your mind by needs-based support.

To consistantly call her "your son" is to permanently never accept her, and that's an intentional mind-f*ck.
Its A Persons Choice...for fwarks sake suport thier choice....its thier LIFE!
Are they any less?
hmmm?

[Perverted Monk]

For me it would be sort of a karmic kick in the ass.

[bob69]

Well.. I do have kids.. and to be honest I think that I would be very sad if one of them wanted to become a TS. Not for the reason you are thinking though. As a parent you want your kids not to encounter hardship... you just can't help wanting them to be happy (at least that is usually the case). Being significantly different in a visible way results in stupid people making your life harder. I would be sad that they would have a tougher life simply because of who they are. I would however try as best I could to support that decision once I was convinced that it was thoroughly thought through.

[BXCanada]

well i don't forsee and kids in my life let alone a son, but IF i had a son it's his life and so be it.

[KiraHarden]

What's worse? Being a guy who loves TG's and is in total denial about what he is doing? Or a guy who loves TG's and accepts that he is loving and sleeping with genetic males? So how am I a neanderthal for accepting what 50% of the men on this site are in denial about? My TG son would always be my son. He would just be my TG son but never a daughter. I have those (daughters) too and know the difference. In public "she" would always be the gender and name "she" has chosen. At home "he" would always be Ty.

Honestly, that's a complete power trip (you denying your child the their essence, just to have it hover over her head) which you're reconciling in your mind by needs-based support.

To consistantly call her "your son" is to permanently never accept her, and that's an intentional mind-f*ck.
But in prior posts, he would never call his TS Wife/GF her birth name... I just dont get it! What TS woman is going to except these views from a man, knowing that he also views her in the same way in pvt...

[KiraHarden]

Let me just point out, Kira and Nicole, I think you are both beautiful and self confident women. I have always been impressed. But in the privacy of our bedroom you don't have to be a lady. Turn me over and pound that ass. It'll just be our little secret.Can I call you my bitch? ;)
I was thinking same thing, now we know why he wants to call us men.?

So, why can't you just be AGGRESSIVE WOMEN??

There are women who turn their men over and fukk them.
How can you want a aggresive woman in the bedroom if you view as us as men in pvt. What you want is a agressive man with boobs.

YES, and she has to be feminine in public. Thank you so much Kira...do you know her???????????????

No i dont know her and I cant see how she would even share your views on this subject.... you could lose her and your TS daughter. Would that be worth it.

After this exchange with you and Nicole I would NEVER tell her (my future wife) what I expressed to you today. You're right, I would lose them both.

I'd just keep it to myself. No use rocking the boat and losing any chance of lifelong happiness I might have.

My TG son would always be my son. He would just be my TG son but never a daughter. I have those (daughters) too and know the difference. In public "she" would always be the gender and name "she" has chosen. At home "he" would always be Ty.



You dont deserve happines with a TS woman if you have these views. I'll take a leap here and say no HA will ever date you, after reading this shit... Also we are TG woman not TG MEN. Get the dick out of your ass and educate yourself.

[KiraHarden]

Chuck, I'm not trying to pile on.

But if you were to ever have a son who decided to become a tgirl, I would hope that she would apply herself in school, get a great education followed by a well-paying job.

Why? So she would not have to depend on you and have the means to move away from you and your controlling ways. The last thing this world needs is another depressed, suicidal, maladjusted young person, courtesy of her "family.".

Not hating on you, just telling it like it is. You don't have to change, but man that kid would have to run as far from you as possible. Pax.

ps: by the way, the security guard who made you masturbate in front of him when you were 13, was a pedophile. You were not his first nor his last victim.

This T-girl will just love comming home and being called her birth name while her TS Step Mother is not.

[KiraHarden]

This T-girl will just loving comming home and being called her birth name while her TS Step Mother is not.

Yea, that's why she'd have to get away from that messed up scene as soon as possible. Hopefully find an environment, support group, friends who would become her new family.
No kidding and she should take her stepmom with her.

[Chuck]

Clearly, many of you are taking this opinion of how I would support MY son (if he was to become a TG) way too personally.

I bet 95% of the young TG's would rather have me as a dad under my terms than the dad they actually have. No, I may not be perfect but I bet I'm way better than what most of the girls have. For those of you whose opinion is colored by the fact that I would still privately consider my son to be my son and not my daughter let me once again point out my good aspects.

1) I would financially support my son so he would never have to be in the street.
2) I would never be ashamed of my son so that he could always come around me and the family and never feel uncomfortable.
3) I would still pay for "her" college education. Judging by the way some of you read and write it is clear that too many girls never got past the 8th grade. Not my son though.

So, I'm not perfect but I seriously doubt that any of you are, but my heart is in the right place and my actions are just, fair, and full of love.

Furthermore I feel no ill will toward any of the strong opinions against me. I still have nothing but the highest respect for Kira and Nicole. I am not the neanderthal that you think I am.

[62des]

I agree with what you're saying. The MOST IMPORTANT THING IS that he still chose to support the child. Would you guys rather him call her his daughter but not support the child at all? That's the problem with people today, they overlook all these positive things and only see the negatives. So what, its his life and youcan't change him, its life. Its just like those children that makes those stupid ass comments like "If you can't accept my lover then you don't accept me". I don't have to accept anyone that I don't choose to. Lets say I had a gay son yet I chose to accept him but told him "don't you ever bring any of your boyfriends here or I'll kick their asses out." Its not the point that I don't like that he would be gay, the point is, that I accepted him anyway, but under MY conditions. So what if my son worshipped the devil I should support his ass?? Fuck no. Can't have everything your way, life ain't Burger King.

[SarahG]

I agree with what you're saying. The MOST IMPORTANT THING IS that he still chose to support the child. Would you guys rather him call her his daughter but not support the child at all? That's the problem with people today, they overlook all these positive things and only see the negatives. So what, its his life and youcan't change him, its life. Its just like those children that makes those stupid ass comments like "If you can't accept my lover then you don't accept me". I don't have to accept anyone that I don't choose to. Lets say I had a gay son yet I chose to accept him but told him "don't you ever bring any of your boyfriends here or I'll kick their asses out. Its not the point that I don't like that he would be gay, the point is, that I accepted him anyway, but under MY conditions. Can't have everything your way, life ain't Burger King.

It's not full support if the child (assuming MtF here) is constantly getting called the wrong name or pronouns by their family intentionally. I can understand that if someone has been using the same name for someone for say, 15+ years, they're going to slip up alot for a while until it becomes normal but if anyone in my family were intentionally using the wrong names & pronouns I'd be out that door fairly quickly.

[Chuck]

I totally understand Chuck. Like I said, if you chose to call you child "John" when she clearly preferred to be called, say "Joanne," that's your right. Fredom of speceh is a beautiful thing. But, for the sake of your child, I'd hope that she would pave her on way and find people who would accept her, and call her by the name she chose as a transgender woman.

Perhaps after leving home, she would call you on holidays to say hello to you and Albert. Fair is fair, if you are going to refer to your child by her male name, she has the right to refer to your tg spouse by hers.

It's all good.



Clearly, many of you are taking this opinion of how I would support MY son (if he was to become a TG) way too personally.

I bet 95% of the young TG's would rather have me as a dad under my terms than the dad they actually have. No, I may not be perfect but I bet I'm way better than what most of the girls have. For those of you whose opinion is colored by the fact that I would still privately consider my son to be my son and not my daughter let me once again point out my good aspects.

1) I would financially support my son so he would never have to be in the street.
2) I would never be ashamed of my son so that he could always come around me and the family and never feel uncomfortable.
3) I would still pay for "her" college education. Judging by the way some of you read and write it is clear that too many girls never got past the 8th grade. Not my son though.

So, I'm not perfect but I seriously doubt that any of you are, but my heart is in the right place and my actions are just, fair, and full of love.

Furthermore I feel no ill will toward any of the strong opinions against me. I still have nothing but the highest respect for Kira and Nicole. I am not the neanderthal that you think I am.

All parents hope that their child would "pave their own way." But let's be real. How many TG's do you know who have been able to pave their own way without escorting or porn? Mine wouldn't have that problem. He'd just have to still play flag football with me and the other guys in the family on Thanksgiving day. :lol:

[SarahG]

All parents hope that their child would "pave their own way." But let's be real. How many TG's do you know who have been able to pave their own way without escorting or porn? Mine wouldn't have that problem. He'd just have to still play flag football with me and the other guys in the family on Thanksgiving day.

So basically you'd want your tgirl daughter to be a tomboy?

[Night Rider]

You're nuts Chuck.

[Chuck]

You're nuts Chuck.

I'm not afraid of expressing a REAL opinion. The rest of you are too scared of pissing people off, and I still don't see where I have said anything wrong.

[Night Rider]

You're nuts Chuck.

I'm not afraid of expressing a REAL opinion. The rest of you are too scared of pissing people off, and I still don't see where I have said anything wrong.

You're talking to the wrong person about sugar coating. But you seem to have serious issues about wanting to call your transgender child, son. :roll:

[KiraHarden]

He ruined this thread for me...

[Chuck]

I picked up on Chuck being full of shit and busting our chops on this subject pages ago. ;)

I already admitted that you and Kira exposed a gaping hole in one of my points, and I conceded. But I stand by my belief that what I choose to call my son in the privacy of my home NOT IN PUBLIC is a very small price to pay for the financial support of one's father. And what's the harm in a Thanksgiving day flag football game with all the boys in the family including my TG son / daughter??

[Chuck]

He ruined this thread for me...

Yeah because we only want people to agree with our views. If not they're BAD PEOPLE. :roll:

[KiraHarden]

You're nuts Chuck.

I'm not afraid of expressing a REAL opinion. The rest of you are too scared of pissing people off, and I still don't see where I have said anything wrong.
Your not making any sense, you are going to respect your TS wife , yet disrespect your TS daughter... And yes by using her birth name, your saying you dont except her as TS female. When your TS wife is doinking your ass make sure you also use her birth name.

[Night Rider]

He ruined this thread for me...

Yeah because we only want people to agree with our views. If not they're BAD PEOPLE. :roll:

Do you think it's a coincidence that nobody agrees with you? All of the people here questioning you are not ass kissers. Can you not see yourself changing your point of view?

[Chuck]

You're nuts Chuck.

I'm not afraid of expressing a REAL opinion. The rest of you are too scared of pissing people off, and I still don't see where I have said anything wrong.
Your not making any sense, you are going to respect your TS wife , yet disrespect your TS daughter... And yes by using her birth name, your saying you dont except her as TS female. When your TS wife is doinking your ass make sure you also use her birth name.

Here's the big difference between the two. I never knew my TG wife as a man. However, I brought my son into the world, named him, and had him circumcised. He will always be my son. Now, if on the other hand, I did know my TG wife as a boy...let's assume that she's an old friend I grew up with then YES she too would in the privacy of our home get called her old boy name at least 50% of the time.

[KiraHarden]

He ruined this thread for me...

Yeah because we only want people to agree with our views. If not they're BAD PEOPLE. :roll:
Your views and treatment differ for the two TS woman in your life. Be consistant!

[Chuck]

He ruined this thread for me...

Yeah because we only want people to agree with our views. If not they're BAD PEOPLE. :roll:
Your views and treatment differ for the two TS woman in your life. Be consistant!

Yes and I explained why two posts ago.

No man should treat his spouse the same as he treats his child anyway.

[Night Rider]

Now, if on the other hand, I did know my TG wife as a boy...let's assume that she's an old friend I grew up with then YES she too would in the privacy of our home get called her old boy name at least 50% of the time.

50% of the time :what :screwy

[KiraHarden]

You're nuts Chuck.

I'm not afraid of expressing a REAL opinion. The rest of you are too scared of pissing people off, and I still don't see where I have said anything wrong.
Your not making any sense, you are going to respect your TS wife , yet disrespect your TS daughter... And yes by using her birth name, your saying you dont except her as TS female. When your TS wife is doinking your ass make sure you also use her birth name.

Here's the big difference between the two. I never knew my TG wife as a man. However, I brought my son into the world, named him, and had him circumcised. He will always be my son. Now, if on the other hand, I did know my TG wife as a boy...let's assume that she's an old friend I grew up with then YES she too would in the privacy of our home get called her old boy name at least 50% of the time.
Trust me you woudn't have a TS wife long if you tried that

[BrendaQG]

Chuck I think you are just being honest. In many ways you remind me of my own father in your reaction. Basically you would still love your son but would have a hard time accepting him as a female. That would not mean you did not love him just that you could not change a decade or more of interacting with your son overnight to interacting with your daughter.

Thanks for the honesty

[memyself]

You're nuts Chuck.

I'm not afraid of expressing a REAL opinion. The rest of you are too scared of pissing people off, and I still don't see where I have said anything wrong.
Your not making any sense, you are going to respect your TS wife , yet disrespect your TS daughter... And yes by using her birth name, your saying you dont except her as TS female. When your TS wife is doinking your ass make sure you also use her birth name.

Here's the big difference between the two. I never knew my TG wife as a man. However, I brought my son into the world, named him, and had him circumcised. He will always be my son. Now, if on the other hand, I did know my TG wife as a boy...let's assume that she's an old friend I grew up with then YES she too would in the privacy of our home get called her old boy name at least 50% of the time.

OK, so how would you feel about your partners parent(s) treating her in such a manor.
Would you be comfortable with it, or would you find it hypocritical of them too say they support her(she wants to be she)but invoke 'him' to come
back by not applying support to 'her' choice
:roll:

[Night Rider]

edit - wrong thread

[Chuck]

You're nuts Chuck.

I'm not afraid of expressing a REAL opinion. The rest of you are too scared of pissing people off, and I still don't see where I have said anything wrong.
Your not making any sense, you are going to respect your TS wife , yet disrespect your TS daughter... And yes by using her birth name, your saying you dont except her as TS female. When your TS wife is doinking your ass make sure you also use her birth name.

Here's the big difference between the two. I never knew my TG wife as a man. However, I brought my son into the world, named him, and had him circumcised. He will always be my son. Now, if on the other hand, I did know my TG wife as a boy...let's assume that she's an old friend I grew up with then YES she too would in the privacy of our home get called her old boy name at least 50% of the time.

OK, so how would you feel about your partners parent(s) treating her in such a manor.Would you be comfortable with it, or would you find it hypocritical of them too say they support her(she wants to be she)but invoke 'him' to come
back by not applying support to 'her' choice
:roll:

That is an excellent question. When my ex used to take me around her family during the holidays they used to call her by her boy name half the time but only in the house. Even her daughter called her daddy. I saw nothing wrong with this.