Anybody else bored with all the T-parties?

[cheez]

Seriously and mainly because I'm not a closet cock chaser, but would actually like to hang out with a T-girl as opposed to mutual hustling as some do at the parties.
I've gone to about a dozen and the last few were like pulling teeth.
Here's the rundown.
Show up and thirty seconds in, some t-girl grabs my crotch.
"wanna lapdance?"
"not just yet. I'm more looking to hang out and meet some girls."
"Buy me a drink," the girl then says, as if because she said so I should. Not because I find her attractive and have decided to try and get her number or have some fun that night together, but because she demanded a drink from me. I'm not cheap, just why the fuck should I buy a drink because you told me to and haven't so much as introduced yourself?
"Maybe later, I'm looking for a friend of mine," I say and smile trying to be nice.
Now ten minutes in I find a girl, I'm attracted to, so I introduce myself and we talk for a minute.
"Buy me a drink" she says and because I initiated the conversation and am interested I do buy her a drink.
talk for another minute and her english is not the best. I speak some Spanish but it's New York High School Spanish which is pretty much unlike 90% of the Spanish spoken in the world. her girlfriends are nearby and they all start speaking Spanish together. Fine. Chill for a minute and the next thing she asks "you top or bottom?"
Wow. We went from having a nice time to top or bottom.
I say top and she says "we go to hotel 200 dollars."
"Um, I just came to hang out, hang out with some girls-- not really looking to pay for that."
"ok, bye," she says and I cease to exist.
And this is pretty much the routine for the next hour. I then go to my buddy's bar and hang out with genetic girls and dance and have fun and decide I don't really get the t-girl scene at all.
Now, again, if all you're looking for is sneaking out the house and having the thrill of being around t-girls, or having a t-girl to grind up on you or find a decent looking in person escort rather than troll craigslist or eros for ads, the parties really do fulfill that experience.
But if you actually want an experience that might be anything close to meeting GGs in a club or bar environment, these parties-all of them are the fucking worst. There's gotta be other dudes who aren't just so happy to be in the same room with all these girls that they don't even care the girls are just looking at them for a payday. For those guys, is there any place where you actually meet t-girls other than these parties?

[Caleigh]

Since you don't mention where you live it makes it
hard for anyone to give specific advice on options.

In NYC there ARE parties besides the ones that
Allanah et al run. There is The Silver Swan party
every Saturday night http://newyork.citysearch.com/profile/7087338/
and there is the Thursday party at NOWHERE BAR on 14th
http://www.zandessa.com/pages/articles/art_details.php?ID=36
Those are the only two significant regular events
that I can name but maybe some NYC peeps who
make it out of their own borough on occasion can
add to this.

[TsVanessa69]

Seriously and mainly because I'm not a closet cock chaser, but would actually like to hang out with a T-girl as opposed to mutual hustling as some do at the parties.
I've gone to about a dozen and the last few were like pulling teeth.
Here's the rundown.
Show up and thirty seconds in, some t-girl grabs my crotch.
"wanna lapdance?"
"not just yet. I'm more looking to hang out and meet some girls."
"Buy me a drink," the girl then says, as if because she said so I should. Not because I find her attractive and have decided to try and get her number or have some fun that night together, but because she demanded a drink from me. I'm not cheap, just why the fuck should I buy a drink because you told me to and haven't so much as introduced yourself?
"Maybe later, I'm looking for a friend of mine," I say and smile trying to be nice.
Now ten minutes in I find a girl, I'm attracted to, so I introduce myself and we talk for a minute.
"Buy me a drink" she says and because I initiated the conversation and am interested I do buy her a drink.
talk for another minute and her english is not the best. I speak some Spanish but it's New York High School Spanish which is pretty much unlike 90% of the Spanish spoken in the world. her girlfriends are nearby and they all start speaking Spanish together. Fine. Chill for a minute and the next thing she asks "you top or bottom?"
Wow. We went from having a nice time to top or bottom.
I say top and she says "we go to hotel 200 dollars."
"Um, I just came to hang out, hang out with some girls-- not really looking to pay for that."
"ok, bye," she says and I cease to exist.
And this is pretty much the routine for the next hour. I then go to my buddy's bar and hang out with genetic girls and dance and have fun and decide I don't really get the t-girl scene at all.
Now, again, if all you're looking for is sneaking out the house and having the thrill of being around t-girls, or having a t-girl to grind up on you or find a decent looking in person escort rather than troll craigslist or eros for ads, the parties really do fulfill that experience.
But if you actually want an experience that might be anything close to meeting GGs in a club or bar environment, these parties-all of them are the fucking worst. There's gotta be other dudes who aren't just so happy to be in the same room with all these girls that they don't even care the girls are just looking at them for a payday. For those guys, is there any place where you actually meet t-girls other than these parties? See that makes it bad for girls like me. Its just the opposite. And I'm not the kindo of gal to ask guys to buy me drinks, I do to the partys to hang out, not work. Now guys NEVER offer to buy a drink, they just oogle me, make a comment on my ass and ask me how big my cock is and if I'm functional, I get turned off, go find a few girlfriends chat a while, then leave. Funny, I have more fun in straight bars too. More of a relaxed enviroment. I can escort all day, like in NY. I stay in Manhattan, I get a few clients in the day, while guys are at work and can sneak away, then I have a nice dinner, and I want to go out for drinks.and dance. I love to enjoy a club, the music, not have to worry is my cock big enough to lay some looser. Thats actually why I like Escuelita in NYC. May have gays, but the music is great, mix of english and spanish on saturdays, great atmosphere to grab a drink and dance, the guys there are less tranny chaser and more dl cats looking for fun. I liked Sunnys Tuesday party cuz a few of the guys there are good conversation, not about the whole "T-Girl" thing but see you as a lady, I like that, don't see me as a t-girl, thats a commercialization of me, treat me like a lady.I wish you luck, but don't think all ts are crotch grabbing, desperate for a dollar hookers. Some of us are actually decent woman looking to enjoy life. maybe you should use other ways to meet ts, then when you go on that first date, go to a t-girl party together.

[TSCURIOUS]

Amen to Cheez comments - hit the nail on the head. The first one I went to - I went through a hundred bucks in 30 minutes. No more. I'm not looking for anything for free - we're all entitled to make a buck - but just make me feel like I'm more than your cash cow.

[TsVanessa69]

Amen to Cheez comments - hit the nail on the head. The first one I went to - I went through a hundred bucks in 30 minutes. No more. I'm not looking for anything for free - we're all entitled to make a buck - but just make me feel like I'm more than your cash cow.Like I said before, not all of us go to the club to make a buck, some of us go for a decent time.

[Shining Star]

Sadly outside of the Silver Swan and perhaps the Nowbar event, there really isn't much else besides the Allanah Star events (am not knocking Miss. Star, just responding to the poster's query).

The trannie scene has changed so much over the past tweny or even ten years, for that matter so has the club scene in general, leaving few options for trannies and those that love them to met and hang out in an non-sexual/hustle manner.

In the good old days you had:

Speed Limit
Edelweiss (before it turned into a hell brothel)
Fabric Factory
220 Club
Grapevine
GG Barnums
Sallys Hideway

Besides the dedicated trannie bars mentioned above, there were tons of gay/straight mix clubs that had lots of trannies running around.

Limelight
The Palladium
Area
Tunnel
Susanne Bartch Parties
Boy Bar
Life

And countless other "mixed" events and parties where one could go to hang out and meet someone. IMHO the mixed "club kid" type parties were the best because it was so much fun having everyone in one great party. So many guys got their first turn onto trannies at say a Susanne Bartch party (she was famous for hiring trannie go-go girls and such), or picking up a "girl" they thought was GG but turned out otherwise. It also give a guy an cover to go to a party with a bunch of his St*8 friends or even a gf and see what was going on. If his guy pals caught him chatting up a trannie, they would pull him aside and say "that's a guy", and the guy could play all shocked, but he still got the digits and hook-ups were arranged.
Some guys even took the fish back to Jersey, Brooklyn, Queens or where ever she was from, ditched her and drove over the the TS's house for a hook-up. It wasn't always about hooking-up, some great relationships formed out of those club days. Every now and then when walking around Manhattan will bump into a guy from those days, and it takes awhile to match face to name, but we usually always have a nice chat and catch up. Course most are married with children now, but still good to see people around.

Scene is too focused on sex and money these days, and it seems some girls don't know when to leave things at home. Sure girls worked at Sally's, Grapevine and such, but it was never as overt as it is today.

[Shining Star]

Forgot to add:

Every now and then, someone gets the idea to open a dedicated trannie bar or lounge in NYC, then reality sets in. Opening any sort of bar in NYC is risky business and very difficult, especially obtainng a liquor license. Considering what goes on at most ts events, unless you keep a tight door/lid on things, you will have trouble. Problem is if the lid is too tight there won't be that many girls, and with out girls there won't be any guys.... you see where I'm going with this.

Regular bar owners just don't wish to risk their licenses by getting involved with trannie bars, so even leasing out a night or two is a problem. Silver Star's parties because they are quieter events tend not to cause that much angst.

The other problem with a dedicated trannie bar, is such bars really only have one to maybe three packed nights per week, usually Friday and Saturday, the rest of the week is dead and that does not pay the bills.

[cheez]

I'm a New Yorker and I've checked out Mona rae's party and Ina's party. They're both really filled with a lot of TV part timers. Many of the girls are weekend warriors and God bless 'em for it, but I'm not a big fan of part time girls to hang out with. I do think that TVs can be attractive and sexy, but there's often a disconnect there--like many of them aren't women 100% of the time and thus they don't stay in girl mode. I talked up one lady at Ina's party and she kept telling me about stuff she does in "boy" mode, so it made it much harder to treat her like a woman. And plus a lot of the TVs are just looking to hook up with each other.
In any case, I do find more of the successful girls like Vanessa are into just hanging out. I was lucky to hang out with Leora Moore and her roommate Yasmin Lee one night and they were out to just have fun, but that was a very rare night.
And plus girls like Yasmin and Leora are often in huge demand so they don't have a lot of time for chit chat, so you can't really make a night of it. But I will say that Leora is the most pleasant conversationalist I've ever run into. She's smart and sweet.

[TsVanessa69]

I'm a New Yorker and I've checked out Mona rae's party and Ina's party. They're both really filled with a lot of TV part timers. Many of the girls are weekend warriors and God bless 'em for it, but I'm not a big fan of part time girls to hang out with. I do think that TVs can be attractive and sexy, but there's often a disconnect there--like many of them aren't women 100% of the time and thus they don't stay in girl mode. I talked up one lady at Ina's party and she kept telling me about stuff she does in "boy" mode, so it made it much harder to treat her like a woman. And plus a lot of the TVs are just looking to hook up with each other.
In any case, I do find more of the successful girls like Vanessa are into just hanging out. I was lucky to hang out with Leora Moore and her roommate Yasmin Lee one night and they were out to just have fun, but that was a very rare night.
And plus girls like Yasmin and Leora are often in huge demand so they don't have a lot of time for chit chat, so you can't really make a night of it. But I will say that Leora is the most pleasant conversationalist I've ever run into. She's smart and sweet. Well I'll be out and about in NY the week of the 19-25, so if you see me, don't be scared to say "hi". I won't beg for a drink or try to hustle you for a quick trickoff, just a becent convo is good enouh for me.I am performing that Sunday night at Escuelita! And will stop in both Sunny and Allanahs partys to say hi to my girlfriends!

[flabbybody]

not really sure what motivates the promoters of the New York parties.
It's brutally hard work/long hours, and no one is getting rich off of it, I'm sure of that. just hope they hang in there and keep at it.

and I'm not disputing the comments made by cheez. there are some valid points that I can relate to. but if you accept the fact that girls will be girls and guys will be guys, you can have a lot of fun and meet cool people.

[slinky]

I know one of the problems which started back at Nowbar was that if any girls do come to hang out, there is a lot of pressure from the working girls because it's hard to sell something that someone else is giving away for free.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Let's be fair about this, and the OP mentioned NYC High School therefore I deemed this a thread about the NYC parties, the parties ARE still PICKUP BAR EVENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not saying this to defend the parties, I FEEL YOUR PAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Believe me I do, but let's be honest, you're in an environment where the goal is to provide funds for someone's: rent, enhancements, drug habit(s), etc. The majority of the WOMEN that come to these parties to enjoy themselves over working is 5% out of 100%.

I will say this, it's still a good idea, because it keeps many of the girls off the street (well for a few hours at least). My thought is if they are getting tired to you, take a break from them. I did. Last party i was at Vicki Richter was in town, one of the regular chicks said something stupid at that party and even though I saw the snow on the side of her nose I still felt tempted to smack the bitch upside her head, instead I just took a break.

AND

Dude you will get crotch grabbed at every party, for the rest of your life as long as you attend. Be glad, there's several patrons that would beg for that kind of attention. lol

JWBL™

[tg4me]

Maybe that's why so few bother to report about their experiences. If you don't have something good to say........

My bigger problem is well..a lack of money. If I travel from DC to NYC, get a room, pay parking and cover, it will add up to more money than just visiting an incall provider. Now add in the cost of a few drinks for me, a few for the girls and tips for the staff....
While I'm there I would want to visit some of the fetish clubs too. $$ching-$$$cha-ching
NYC is a place for the wealthy to play or a place to blow a grand during an overnight stay.
Not complaining just trying to figure out how to do it.

[cheez]

Let's be fair about this, and the OP mentioned NYC High School therefore I deemed this a thread about the NYC parties, the parties ARE still PICKUP BAR EVENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not saying this to defend the parties, I FEEL YOUR PAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Believe me I do, but let's be honest, you're in an environment where the goal is to provide funds for someone's: rent, enhancements, drug habit(s), etc. The majority of the WOMEN that come to these parties to enjoy themselves over working is 5% out of 100%.

I will say this, it's still a good idea, because it keeps many of the girls off the street (well for a few hours at least). My thought is if they are getting tired to you, take a break from them. I did. Last party i was at Vicki Richter was in town, one of the regular chicks said something stupid at that party and even though I saw the snow on the side of her nose I still felt tempted to smack the bitch upside her head, instead I just took a break.

AND

Dude you will get crotch grabbed at every party, for the rest of your life as long as you attend. Be glad, there's several patrons that would beg for that kind of attention. lol

JWBL™


No doubt. I am a New Yorker and I make that point in my first post that if you're going to just have fun and meet some t-girls and get a momentary thrill, the parties are perfect for that.
And that's also why I ask the question "is anyone else tired of the parties?"
I left open the possibility that I could get a hundred responses from dudes saying "no."
They're still making money, so SOMEONE must be enjoying them. Just not me.
But I think if you're guy relying on charm and interaction to meet a girl, you're mostly shit out of luck. So it's not a matter of taking a break, it's a matter of not going at all.
Could I bankroll my way to meeting a girl? Sure, but I don't do that with GGs, as some guys do and I'm not gonna do it with TGs. I think once you treat a girl like something you bought, you'll always feel like she owes you. That's why I'm trying to see what else is out there as an option. I figure someone might know a bar or club where a lot of the girls go when they're not hitting the TG party circuit for example...

[crayons]

Like I said before, not all of us go to the club to make a buck, some of us go for a decent time.

I can't imagine anyone inviting you to anything other than to get tested on by a bunch of biology students. you're a walking refuse pit.

[LBCDO]

Every time I went to New York I was always handling other shit and couldnt make it to a party, but ATL is WAAAAYYYY different. But I guess I wouldnt mind that environment because my "Reign in ATL" was mostly from me coming out of Club Vision which was in the middle of the Tranny Stroll and that how I pulled most of my TSs, they were mostly working girls. So I guess my game is kinda engineered around that shit.

In ATL, I will say that if you stop into a gay club, we have TSs bouncing all around and its easy to blaze up a convo. You gotta cut through the fluff. You got crazy-aggresive guys trying to get your number out there, instead of TSs trying to get you to pay up. Ive never knew what the inside of a Gay Club looked like until Katie Cox took me. It wasnt as bad as I thought it would be. Drinks were a lot cheaper too. So, it is what it is my dude

[josue]

Seriously and mainly because I'm not a closet cock chaser, but would actually like to hang out with a T-girl as opposed to mutual hustling as some do at the parties.
I've gone to about a dozen and the last few were like pulling teeth.
Here's the rundown.
Show up and thirty seconds in, some t-girl grabs my crotch.
"wanna lapdance?"
"not just yet. I'm more looking to hang out and meet some girls."
"Buy me a drink," the girl then says, as if because she said so I should. Not because I find her attractive and have decided to try and get her number or have some fun that night together, but because she demanded a drink from me. I'm not cheap, just why the fuck should I buy a drink because you told me to and haven't so much as introduced yourself?
"Maybe later, I'm looking for a friend of mine," I say and smile trying to be nice.
Now ten minutes in I find a girl, I'm attracted to, so I introduce myself and we talk for a minute.
"Buy me a drink" she says and because I initiated the conversation and am interested I do buy her a drink.
talk for another minute and her english is not the best. I speak some Spanish but it's New York High School Spanish which is pretty much unlike 90% of the Spanish spoken in the world. her girlfriends are nearby and they all start speaking Spanish together. Fine. Chill for a minute and the next thing she asks "you top or bottom?"
Wow. We went from having a nice time to top or bottom.
I say top and she says "we go to hotel 200 dollars."
"Um, I just came to hang out, hang out with some girls-- not really looking to pay for that."
"ok, bye," she says and I cease to exist.
And this is pretty much the routine for the next hour. I then go to my buddy's bar and hang out with genetic girls and dance and have fun and decide I don't really get the t-girl scene at all.
Now, again, if all you're looking for is sneaking out the house and having the thrill of being around t-girls, or having a t-girl to grind up on you or find a decent looking in person escort rather than troll craigslist or eros for ads, the parties really do fulfill that experience.
But if you actually want an experience that might be anything close to meeting GGs in a club or bar environment, these parties-all of them are the fucking worst. There's gotta be other dudes who aren't just so happy to be in the same room with all these girls that they don't even care the girls are just looking at them for a payday. For those guys, is there any place where you actually meet t-girls other than these parties?

this is real talk. i've never been with a tgirl mainly because i get hustled all the time. i can go to mainstream clubs and meet equally hot gg's who never expect me to pay them. i basically stick to gg's now.

[Shining Star]

Original poster's blight and my response not withstanding, trannie "lovers" are not exactly angels in this matter either.

By and large most men go to a TS bar or club seeking to hook-up, it has been that way since about the 1980's or so. Now weather that hooking up should be "free" or come at a price would largely depend upon what both parties wished. At mixed mainstream events such as the parties at Life, NowBar and so forth, guys and trannies did meet and in some cases leave together for mutual fun. But that is the same at any bar or club any where around the world. When large numbers of working girls began to invade the trannie bars/clubs and men began to pay, things slowly turned into what they are today. If the men didn't offer, the girls wouldn't bother and find easier pickings elsewhere. With street hooking in NYC all but gone, especially the former TS stroll down by the Meatpacking district, more and more action moved indoors via ads or clubs. The men that pay and or encourage illicit activities at the TS parties just feed the beast.

Sadly the TS scene has more or less become about sex, those offering and those paying, and that pervades everything in the community, including bars and clubs. The sex angle is the reason by and large gay bars/clubs along with many others do not want anything to do with trannies, which limits chances for any promoter to do a night or series of nights at a bar.

TS bars in NYC for the most part have always been "leased" nights at bars. These bars usually were located in business areas such as Mid-Town, Chelesa, Far West-Side where most of the normal patrons were gone by 11PM (area workers) and darn dead on Friday and Saturday nights because businesses were closed. Letting a trannie party in allowed bar owners to make money on space that otherwise would be sitting empty.

This worked well for awhile, even Edelweiss was good when it first opened. Then the circus stunts and spill over into the streets/local area starts and everyone knows what happens next. Every single TS "bar" post 1990's has had the same problem; area residents complaining about trannie street walkers from the bar setting up shop outside their homes, conduting business in cars,on the streets and even on building propert if they can gain access. Once LE gets wind of things, it is all down hill for the bar after that. This brought down Edelweiss, Nowbar and pretty much all the others. It has also served as a warning to any bar owner to think long and hard about putting his license in jeopardy by getting involved with the "element".

Currently there are few if any "bad" areas of Manhattan, with even Wall Street and Chelesa very residential which means many bars have a hard time dealing with local complaints regarding all and sundry that comes from running a bar. The last thing anyone wants is the TS "scene" adding to the woes.

But, play with the thougth for a moment of what a TS bar would be like without the "working girls". How many men would show up? Lots of men talk about wanting to meet nice girls for a "normal" night, but am willing to bet money the amount that would show up without the serious possibility of hooking up would be small, or at least not enough to warrant the costs associated with running the bar for the night. Only way for the promoter/bar owner to make money would be to charge a cover and or steep prices at the bar.

When Edelweiss opened, many of the girls who advertised in Screw, complained that their business went way down. Guys simply waited if they could until Friday or Saturday to get their freak on. Sure night follows day, the working girls started going to where their clients were, and thus the scene we have today.

Just as with gay bars, the Internet has taken a large bite out of the customer base. Previously if one wished to meet someone to hook up with or whatever, you got yourself dressed and headed down to the local bar. Now you can go to AOL chat, gay.com or any of the other thousands of chat sites and hook-up from the comfort of your own home. This pretty much as removed many of the none working TS girls from going to bars, and has left the scene pretty much to the workers.

Maybe I should start a poll. Wonder how many guys would show up to a "normal" type trannnie bar. You know, the same as your local with everyone keeping their clothes on and hands to themselves, NO hooking and just a regular night out.

SS

[LBCDO]

Many wouldnt go. Its kinda like the cat that doesnt realize he's in the dog pound. You're gonna get ate the fuck up if you make yourself ou to be a vic. Jajaja, everyone has heard the term, but it seems like people dont listen to it. The hooker with a heart of gold shit.

Now the same way a Tranny gets off on turning a "straight" guy is the same way I feel about breaking a working girl. But trust me, this is the best advice I can give you. DO YOU. JUST FUCKING DO YOU. That goes for GGs, TS, aliens from Saturn, DO YOU!

Think about your favorite TGirl. I asked my boys this same question about Vida Guerra. Mine at the moment is Malynda from Yum. Say I meet Malynda andI come at her like :

"Oh yea, I seen you on Yum, taking dick, and I have this fantasy of..." or

"I know you from the internet.." or

"Hey, you got really good reviews on..."

what the fuck I look like? You talk to her like the average chick. You keep all that "im your biggest fan" shit to yourself. You start a convo like normal. Thats it.

So lets say you get the number. You leave the party. You call and set up a date and get something to eat. You think Im taking Malynda to some Ruth Chris? Naw, Imma take her to the same spots I usually go to because Im doing me. You think Imma take her shopping, buy Louie and Gucci? Fuck outta here. Ill pay for a movie or some other shit, but Im not going to drop $1000 trying to cake her either. You know why? Because then I look like a chaser. Im not broke, im just not stupid. You cake a female from jump, thats the expectation.

Do you. I know some of the people go to a party or club see a girl that the jacked to for the past 2 years and are like "Damn, I want to tap that." Just dont get star struck and you're ok. Because you can get with the girl of you dreams and then that fantasy shit wears off and your trying to stretch every fuckin penny because you been spending $500/day since yall first met.

Im telling you, its so simple, but people dont realize it. Just be a man and stand up for what you want. You deny a lap dance and then that girl runs and tells her friends that you're broke/bullshittin/a chaser/fag/whatever, FUCK IT! FUCK THEM! Because they already said fuck you. Nobody wants a pushover. Ive met up with dudes online that want to go to the clubs with me, and when we go, Im checking them left and right.

"Dont buy her a drink, she aint said shit to you all night"
"Dont tell her that you love her video's, you look like a fan, not someone she wants to fuck"
"No, she doesnt need to borrow that money for cab fare, you're getting hustled"

A lot of guys are pushovers and submissive, but when a they get in a room with a girl, they are manly as really specific and demanding telling a TS to TOP them.

NOTE: IM NOT TALKING TO ANY SPECIFIC PERSON, JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE. YOU ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE, JUST TAKE THIS GEM AND POLISH IT.

[Mr_Man]

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[lust4ts]

I have never been to one so no :wink:

I'm just a humble English man who drinks tea and goes to church on Sundays :lol:

Aren't those the places with scantily clad girls offering lap dances, how would I live with myself when it came to confession.

Besides aren't they full of those bloody chaser types :P

[AllanahStarrNYC]

I am not going to argue with the opinions of anyone as everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The fact is that those of us who do these parties work extremely hard, facing many adversaties- to keep quality places going for ts and admirers to attend.

The club business is TOUGH and SHADY- when you do a ts party multiply that by 10.

One could spend all day on oposite ends of the spectrum complaining about the men or the ladies- and what everyone is there for. I always find it incorrect to generalize as everyone does attend for different reasons.

What we have done in NYC is certainly bring the level of ts parties way above than it ever was. I have been to just about every major city- and hardly anything can compare to our special events in NYC.

I remember a time when everyone complained because there was no where to go.

You might come every week, you might get tired of it and need a break, you might do it once a year- but be greatful that when you want to go, there is a place to go thanks to the hard work of the ts party promoters despite all we have to go through sometimes to keep the parties running.

[hwbs]

with all that being said and some true...i always have a lot of fun at the party..i have made a lot of friends there and it feels like home to me..just like real life family..u alow people in your home that u cant stand but are family...on the holidays of course..

[hwbs]

I am not going to argue with the opinions of anyone as everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The fact is that those of us who do these parties work extremely hard, facing many adversaties- to keep quality places going for ts and admirers to attend.

The club business is TOUGH and SHADY- when you do a ts party multiply that by 10.

One could spend all day on oposite ends of the spectrum complaining about the men or the ladies- and what everyone is there for. I always find it incorrect to generalize as everyone does attend for different reasons.

What we have done in NYC is certainly bring the level of ts parties way above than it ever was. I have been to just about every major city- and hardly anything can compare to our special events in NYC.

I remember a time when everyone complained because there was no where to go.

You might come every week, you might get tired of it and need a break, you might do it once a year- but be greatful that when you want to go, there is a place to go thanks to the hard work of the ts party promoters despite all we have to go through sometimes to keep the parties running.

what people don't all realize is that these clubs didn't just fall in her lap. even b4 the parties i have known allanah and always wanted to have a nice place 4 the girls and guys to goto.all the times she was sabotaged by a bitter old hag ,lol..those early parties, u weren't there when we were setting up for 4-5 hours so that everyone would have a great time. this isn't a person who just tried to make a quick buck..and remember that when u have tons of girls in your city or nothing to do or go to..i give allanah and sunny all the props in the world..it is easy to criticize because its there..i know what would happen if there were no parties.

[echimandu]

Many wouldnt go. Its kinda like the cat that doesnt realize he's in the dog pound. You're gonna get ate the fuck up if you make yourself ou to be a vic. Jajaja, everyone has heard the term, but it seems like people dont listen to it. The hooker with a heart of gold shit.

Now the same way a Tranny gets off on turning a "straight" guy is the same way I feel about breaking a working girl. But trust me, this is the best advice I can give you. DO YOU. JUST FUCKING DO YOU. That goes for GGs, TS, aliens from Saturn, DO YOU!

Think about your favorite TGirl. I asked my boys this same question about Vida Guerra. Mine at the moment is Malynda from Yum. Say I meet Malynda andI come at her like :

"Oh yea, I seen you on Yum, taking dick, and I have this fantasy of..." or

"I know you from the internet.." or

"Hey, you got really good reviews on..."

what the fuck I look like? You talk to her like the average chick. You keep all that "im your biggest fan" shit to yourself. You start a convo like normal. Thats it.

So lets say you get the number. You leave the party. You call and set up a date and get something to eat. You think Im taking Malynda to some Ruth Chris? Naw, Imma take her to the same spots I usually go to because Im doing me. You think Imma take her shopping, buy Louie and Gucci? Fuck outta here. Ill pay for a movie or some other shit, but Im not going to drop $1000 trying to cake her either. You know why? Because then I look like a chaser. Im not broke, im just not stupid. You cake a female from jump, thats the expectation.

Do you. I know some of the people go to a party or club see a girl that the jacked to for the past 2 years and are like "Damn, I want to tap that." Just dont get star struck and you're ok. Because you can get with the girl of you dreams and then that fantasy shit wears off and your trying to stretch every fuckin penny because you been spending $500/day since yall first met.

Im telling you, its so simple, but people dont realize it. Just be a man and stand up for what you want. You deny a lap dance and then that girl runs and tells her friends that you're broke/bullshittin/a chaser/fag/whatever, FUCK IT! FUCK THEM! Because they already said fuck you. Nobody wants a pushover. Ive met up with dudes online that want to go to the clubs with me, and when we go, Im checking them left and right.

"Dont buy her a drink, she aint said shit to you all night"
"Dont tell her that you love her video's, you look like a fan, not someone she wants to fuck"
"No, she doesnt need to borrow that money for cab fare, you're getting hustled"

A lot of guys are pushovers and submissive, but when a they get in a room with a girl, they are manly as really specific and demanding telling a TS to TOP them.

NOTE: IM NOT TALKING TO ANY SPECIFIC PERSON, JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE. YOU ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE, JUST TAKE THIS GEM AND POLISH IT.I gotta say, this is sound advice :claps . In an enviorment like that, you have two choices. You can choose to be the hammer, or you can choose to be the nail. :rock2

[LBCDO]

I am not going to argue with the opinions of anyone as everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The fact is that those of us who do these parties work extremely hard, facing many adversaties- to keep quality places going for ts and admirers to attend.

The club business is TOUGH and SHADY- when you do a ts party multiply that by 10.

One could spend all day on oposite ends of the spectrum complaining about the men or the ladies- and what everyone is there for. I always find it incorrect to generalize as everyone does attend for different reasons.

What we have done in NYC is certainly bring the level of ts parties way above than it ever was. I have been to just about every major city- and hardly anything can compare to our special events in NYC.

I remember a time when everyone complained because there was no where to go.

You might come every week, you might get tired of it and need a break, you might do it once a year- but be greatful that when you want to go, there is a place to go thanks to the hard work of the ts party promoters despite all we have to go through sometimes to keep the parties running.

Trust me, I feel everything you are saying. As a promoter you have tons of shit to go through. TRUST ME. Ive done so many club events and concerts here in ATL its sick. Thats how I made my money for years, my 9-5 was being in the club. I can only imagine throwing a TS party. And not once I say that its your fault. I know what you're going through, TRUSTS ME I KNOW!

From Shady club owners, people bitching about getting in free, bar guarantees suddenly going up, drink specials not existing on the night of your events, DJs getting pissed for shit out of your control, Ive been there. I think that the issue is the guys wanting more, and I dont think they realize the environment. Then the artist! I know you're Cuban, but I can name a LONG fucking list of Bachata singers from my country that want guys and TS groupies to come through and will bitch and complain if you're not "hooked up"

Yea, its a party, but with lap dances in such a lot of the girls are grinding. I live by when Jay Z says "cant knock the hustle". Search and youll see how many times Ive said it. But its kinda like being at the strip club and being mad because you cant kick up a convo. All I did was give my view on how to have more success getting to know the girls.

From a promoters view, I cant see a party on the scale that you throw without the lap dances, etc. How would you pull the girls in? The amount of guys that are going to be there? JAJAJAJA. So I feel you, keep doing you!

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

I know one of the problems which started back at Nowbar was that if any girls do come to hang out, there is a lot of pressure from the working girls because it's hard to sell something that someone else is giving away for free.

LOL WORD! :lol:

~Kisses.

HTG

[BXCanada]

never been to one of these parties, and really have no intrest in it save to meet someone like Gia, Allanah or Vaniity even just so i could say i met them and that would be it.

not a bar or club person at all. i don't drink, smoke or take drugs just never been a party person. i prefer a nice relaxed time one on one out to dinner or something with someone rather than hundreds of people in a noise filled club.

[cheez]

I am not going to argue with the opinions of anyone as everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The fact is that those of us who do these parties work extremely hard, facing many adversaties- to keep quality places going for ts and admirers to attend.

The club business is TOUGH and SHADY- when you do a ts party multiply that by 10.

One could spend all day on oposite ends of the spectrum complaining about the men or the ladies- and what everyone is there for. I always find it incorrect to generalize as everyone does attend for different reasons.

What we have done in NYC is certainly bring the level of ts parties way above than it ever was. I have been to just about every major city- and hardly anything can compare to our special events in NYC.

I remember a time when everyone complained because there was no where to go.

You might come every week, you might get tired of it and need a break, you might do it once a year- but be greatful that when you want to go, there is a place to go thanks to the hard work of the ts party promoters despite all we have to go through sometimes to keep the parties running.

Again, no doubt. My complaint isn't about management or the idea --it's about the fact that this is the only place I've ever found where you can meet t-girls and yet, for the most part you end up treating them like hookers and they end up treating the guys like johns.
Look I'm not trying to come off like I'm Prince Charming for trannies and I'm waiting to find my true love.
Not the case.
But I do like to date and I like to have fun with the girl I'm with. And I've taken out two t-girls and they were fun. I would enjoy dating another-the two I spent time with were cool and fairly interesting.
Meeting girls like this is very hard at these parties, no matter who the promoter is, which is why I didn't single out one of the promoters. Just saying these parties don't work if you're not looking for the hustle of it. The suggestion of going to gay clubs sounded somewhat promising except some of the people I know who go to gay clubs are usually TVs and not even really TVs just drag queens who like the pomp and pageantry of dressing like a sexy woman, but just as soon take it off and go into boy mode.
I ain't saying I have the answers, just don't like the situation I currently have available...

[TsVanessa69]

Many wouldnt go. Its kinda like the cat that doesnt realize he's in the dog pound. You're gonna get ate the fuck up if you make yourself ou to be a vic. Jajaja, everyone has heard the term, but it seems like people dont listen to it. The hooker with a heart of gold shit.

Now the same way a Tranny gets off on turning a "straight" guy is the same way I feel about breaking a working girl. But trust me, this is the best advice I can give you. DO YOU. JUST FUCKING DO YOU. That goes for GGs, TS, aliens from Saturn, DO YOU!

Think about your favorite TGirl. I asked my boys this same question about Vida Guerra. Mine at the moment is Malynda from Yum. Say I meet Malynda andI come at her like :

"Oh yea, I seen you on Yum, taking dick, and I have this fantasy of..." or

"I know you from the internet.." or

"Hey, you got really good reviews on..."

what the fuck I look like? You talk to her like the average chick. You keep all that "im your biggest fan" shit to yourself. You start a convo like normal. Thats it.

So lets say you get the number. You leave the party. You call and set up a date and get something to eat. You think Im taking Malynda to some Ruth Chris? Naw, Imma take her to the same spots I usually go to because Im doing me. You think Imma take her shopping, buy Louie and Gucci? Fuck outta here. Ill pay for a movie or some other shit, but Im not going to drop $1000 trying to cake her either. You know why? Because then I look like a chaser. Im not broke, im just not stupid. You cake a female from jump, thats the expectation.

Do you. I know some of the people go to a party or club see a girl that the jacked to for the past 2 years and are like "Damn, I want to tap that." Just dont get star struck and you're ok. Because you can get with the girl of you dreams and then that fantasy shit wears off and your trying to stretch every fuckin penny because you been spending $500/day since yall first met.

Im telling you, its so simple, but people dont realize it. Just be a man and stand up for what you want. You deny a lap dance and then that girl runs and tells her friends that you're broke/bullshittin/a chaser/fag/whatever, FUCK IT! FUCK THEM! Because they already said fuck you. Nobody wants a pushover. Ive met up with dudes online that want to go to the clubs with me, and when we go, Im checking them left and right.

"Dont buy her a drink, she aint said shit to you all night"
"Dont tell her that you love her video's, you look like a fan, not someone she wants to fuck"
"No, she doesnt need to borrow that money for cab fare, you're getting hustled"

A lot of guys are pushovers and submissive, but when a they get in a room with a girl, they are manly as really specific and demanding telling a TS to TOP them.

NOTE: IM NOT TALKING TO ANY SPECIFIC PERSON, JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE. YOU ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE, JUST TAKE THIS GEM AND POLISH IT. As a ts, and I do go to these "TS" partys, i see some decent guys, that i would chill with instead of charging, then they open their mouths. Men can fuck up a good thing with that mouth. I walk in club, guy checks me out, I check him out, mutual interest. I walk to bar to order my drink, guy comes behind me, pays for drink, I thank him and the convo begins. Now Here is perfect example, guy says"hey, don't you have a website?' I say "yes", then he says how he loves the pics, blah blah blah, then he fucks up, he says:" I have a really big dick and I love to fuck 'trannys" with big asses". Now that fucked him up, because by his mouth he went from possible friend to trick. So I said "Oh really, thats nice, my fee is $300" and he says" you don't know what you're missing" and I laugh. This really did happen. See a working girl is still human. A working girl has "freinds". Its on the guy to have his game tight, and be real. treat her like a woman, not a ts or a hooker and you would be surprised. Like I said, in my case and the case of a few of my girlfriends, escorting is a job, I do that at home. When I am in a club, I'mm off the clock and looking to enjoy myself. Girls that hook at the club, aren't making the money off their ads so they come out to make whatever they can at the club. ALL ts are not like that

[cheez]

I was lucky to hang out with Leora Moore and her roommate Yasmin Lee one night and they were out to just have fun, but that was a very rare night.
And plus girls like Yasmin and Leora are often in huge demand so they don't have a lot of time for chit chat, so you can't really make a night of it. But I will say that Leora is the most pleasant conversationalist I've ever run into. She's smart and sweet.

Thanks for the compliments babe. I'm glad you enjoyed chatting with me. I haven't been going because I'm out of the city currently but will be back soon and will probably attend again soon. Wish you better times out and about :)

I know you're away- we talked about it that night. Let me know when you get back. My dinner offer still stands. I don't want you nearly fainting from hunger again like you almost did two weeks back.
(see-offered to take the girl to dinner!! That's how I roll--treat 'em like a lady...) :D

[LBCDO]

Vanessa, so you feel me right? Im not saying every girl is like that, but you gotta feel me on that shit when dudes try to start a convo with a girl and go into the "I seen your set on Yum" shit. Thats why I had to stop going out with dudes online to go to the club with. That shit just doesnt work.

Its like how I might go with my boys to the mall and Im like "Yo, we should holla at that group over there" and one of my homeboys starts to whistle or do the "spppphhh!" shit. I tell them a hundred times and that group of girls is always pissed.