Relying on "Johns" generosity..

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

For a living. Is it fair?

Can you blame the girls? Do you love 'em or hate 'em? :?

Relying on your money to get laid..

Is it desperation for intimacy/to be loved? or merely just a power/ego trip?

Inputs? LOL ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

[TrueBeauty TS]

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[Trogdor]

Starting to hate 'em here. I offer good things......they just want hoodlems.

[qeuqheeg222]

you know i dont love em or hate for the choices they(the tgs)have made..that is their decsion,they gotta live the consequences.now whether i choose to let one of these girls get close to me beyond a wham,bam,thank ya mam,the benji's are in the envelope,is another story..some say you cant make a ho a housewife-as if the girl might really do that anyway..some might,you never know but the lure of perceived "easy money" is great temptation...

using money to get laid?dont most men do this to some extent all the time anyway...it aint bout a power trip or needin a level of intimacy for some but maybe a quicky way to get a nut without buildin all the sweet equity necessary with "dating"...

[Dino Velvet]

When I have a girlfriend, I don't cheat and only have sex with her. When I don't have a girlfriend, from time to time I like to go to a massage parlor for some action with a beautiful Korean girl. It's a shame that massage parlors are getting raided like crazy by cops now. Over the years, they have always been a relaxing place to have some fun.

I would rather pay a girl for sex than hook up with the wrong civilian that assumes we are now together because of the drunken sex we had the night before.

I have never hired an actual escort before, whether GG or TS. I will eventually especially since I worry about getting busted at a massage parlor.

As far as the actual girls themselves, I try to treat them with respect and be nice. I figure they have a tough job and deal with a lot of jerks. I have no problem morally with what they do for a living and feel it should be legal anyway.

[Trogdor]

When I have a girlfriend, I don't cheat and only have sex with her. When I don't have a girlfriend, from time to time I like to go to a massage parlor for some action with a beautiful Korean girl. It's a shame that massage parlors are getting raided like crazy by cops now. Over the years, they have always been a relaxing place to have some fun.

That's cause law makers and law enforcement are too lazy and chicken shit to get real criminals, so they go after the fun stuff....and to fill their fuckin' arrest/ticket quotas.

They have some odd thinking that this kinda stuff if a threat to out so-called great society. :roll:

Those parlors could have done me a great justice had they been near me. :P

[Dino Velvet]

When I have a girlfriend, I don't cheat and only have sex with her. When I don't have a girlfriend, from time to time I like to go to a massage parlor for some action with a beautiful Korean girl. It's a shame that massage parlors are getting raided like crazy by cops now. Over the years, they have always been a relaxing place to have some fun.

That's cause law makers and law enforcement are too lazy and chicken shit to get real criminals, so they go after the fun stuff....and to fill their fuckin' arrest/ticket quotas.

They have some odd thinking that this kinda stuff if a threat to out so-called great society. :roll:

Those parlors could have done me a great justice had they been near me. :P

I feel our American society isn't perfect but it is still great and I would never live anywhere else. I also have no problem with most police officers. They have thankless jobs and enforce the laws they are told to. The friends I have in law enforcement are not too lazy and chicken shit to get real criminals but if you would like to discuss it with them, feel free.

I do wish the politicians would be able to get prostitution legalized. It's a hard sell to many people but they are supposed to be leaders, not followers. Convince the American people that fornication and adultery will occur whether there are prostitutes or not. It could be taxed and regulated and made to operate in zone approved areas.

[Trogdor]

When I have a girlfriend, I don't cheat and only have sex with her. When I don't have a girlfriend, from time to time I like to go to a massage parlor for some action with a beautiful Korean girl. It's a shame that massage parlors are getting raided like crazy by cops now. Over the years, they have always been a relaxing place to have some fun.

That's cause law makers and law enforcement are too lazy and chicken shit to get real criminals, so they go after the fun stuff....and to fill their fuckin' arrest/ticket quotas.

They have some odd thinking that this kinda stuff if a threat to out so-called great society. :roll:

Those parlors could have done me a great justice had they been near me. :P

I feel our American society isn't perfect but it is still great and I would never live anywhere else. I also have no problem with most police officers. They have thankless jobs and enforce the laws they are told to. The friends I have in law enforcement are not too lazy and chicken shit to get real criminals but if you would like to discuss it with them, feel free.

I do wish the politicians would be able to get prostitution legalized. It's a hard sell to many people but they are supposed to be leaders, not followers. Convince the American people that fornication and adultery will occur whether there are prostitutes or not. It could be taxed and regulated and made to operate in zone approved areas.

I'd rather it be decriminalized, not legalized......I don't want high taxes and all those regulations, we'd all get watered down stuff too, .....I'd prefer that one can go, get the babe, do their shuff, pay, and leave.

Only reason the feds made it illegal is cause they can't get tax money off it, like with drugs.

[Dino Velvet]

If it were made legal, the feds would find a way to tax it like they have with waitresses and strippers. If I need to pay income tax, so do the girls.

The massage parlors in Santa Monica are/were great. It's a secure place to meet up with a pretty girl to have sex with at an agreed price. I never saw anything violent going down there any time I went. I realize there is a chance of getting an STD but you have to be smart and play safe just like when you drag some skank home from a bar.

What did you mean by watered down?

[AllanahStarrNYC]

In France you can totally declare your proffesion as a 'liberal profession'
(prostitute) and pay taxes on your income, etc. I have a friend who does so in France where prostitution is legal- but being a pimp or madame is not. So independent workers can actually make an honest living without fear of harrassment from the law, or being arrested in under cover stings. Which is how it should be in America and everywhere else.

I wish this country would spend a hell of alot less time prosecuting sex and consensual adult enterainment.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

For a living. Is it fair?

Can you blame the girls? Do you love 'em or hate 'em? :?

Relying on your money to get laid..

Is it desperation for intimacy/to be loved? or merely just a power/ego trip?

Inputs? LOL ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

necessity is the mother of all relationships-so as long as everyone gets what they want it's fair.

[slinky]

There are tons of issues in the pay for play scene. I think some of them are magnified in the TS pay for play scene because for most guys, just about the only way they are going to get with a TS is P4P, and for so many TS, P4P is one of the only ways to earn a decent wage.

[mbf]

For a living. Is it fair?

what is fair in life? life is a bitch, fuck that bitch and get fucked. live with it- because you have to....


Can you blame the girls? Do you love 'em or hate 'em? :?

no, why should I? I am not in a position to critisize others.

a lot of natural born woman do that too, and even with a big advantage: they bear a child from their "Johns". from that moment on, HE is fucked financially, cuz he gotta pay.


Relying on your money to get laid..

I have never paid money to get laid - as far as hiring an escort goes. I am still able to get ass for "free" - although if u got a date you pay for other things like dinner or tickets for concerts etc..... so, from a strictly economical point of view hiring an escort might be cheaper for you than the "classic" date scenario, but that point has been discussed before.

what will be in ten, fifteen years time I cannot say.


Is it desperation for intimacy/to be loved? or merely just a power/ego trip?

I can only speculate on this point. I think it has got much to do with wielding power. normally when I hear that "johns generosity"-thing I see an older guy (40 and older) being together with a hottie half his age. and he clearly is using the power his money possesses to make her jump the way he wants. it might be a compensation thing as well. and I am sure both players here know its a temporary thing that is definitely NOT based on "love", or "romance" :roll: but more of a relation which is rahter molded after business-relations. (except for those few chicks that got that "daddy"-whorshipping-thing goin on...)

from a selfish point of view, the perfect outfit in a johns scenario would be: a triangle: me as the lover of the lady, but spending the "Johns" money togetehr as well :twisted: :lol:

[slinky]

re: Allanah's post: Wow... isn't it ironic the we posted those without knowing the other was posting at the same time.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

There are tons of issues in the pay for play scene. I think some of them are magnified in the TS pay for play scene because for most guys, just about the only way they are going to get with a TS is P4P, and for so many TS, P4P is one of the only ways to earn a decent wage.

Because this is they way that the majority of men who have this sexual attraction can deal with it- either through porn or by hiring an escort or prostitute. I think for the girls it's really just a way to may a living, or have surgery, or buy a purse- whatever your goals are. This is society.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

re: Allanah's post: Wow... isn't it ironic the we posted those without knowing the other was posting at the same time.

u must have espn

[Dino Velvet]

I'm not sure how I feel about prostitutes working independently wherever they choose. I wouldn't want to be living in an apartment building with a wife and kids having my next door neighbor turning tricks day and night. I would prefer to have a certain part of town where prostitutes could operate in indoor locations. There would need to be some sort of management and, of course, plenty of security to ensure the safety of the customers and girls.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

And I just want to ad that I have never, nor do look badly upon men who are clients.

A lot of girls do- and I just think that is ridiculous.

Every man has been or will be with a prostitute in his life. My bf has- I or he have no shame about it.

I dated a man that I was very much in love with who would consider himself a client but his circumstance in life prevented him from giving me more than a friendship and sporship and lovely gifts.

There are assholes in all walks of life- and just because a guy pays for sex does not make him any less of anything. He as his reasons for it- probably many- just as many as the girl who he is paying has reasons for being a sex worker.

[slinky]

Because this is they way that the majority of men who have this sexual attraction can deal with it- either through porn or by hiring an escort or prostitute. I think for the girls it's really just a way to may a living, or have surgery, or buy a purse- whatever your goals are. This is society.

But this is also true in the GG P4P scene. I think it's magnified in the TS P4P scene because on both sides I think there's a lack of other options which isn't as "bad" in the "straight" scene. What I mean is that guys looking for GG's can much more easily hook up with some GG without being a P4P relationship. I think you see guys coming on sites like this one thinking they are going to hook up with a TS, and unless they go the P4P route, it just never happens. OTOH, I think most guys hook up with some GG at some point in their lives (if they want to ).

[AllanahStarrNYC]

I'm not sure how I feel about prostitutes working independently wherever they choose. I wouldn't want to be living in an apartment building with a wife and kids having my next door neighbor turning tricks day and night. I would prefer to have a certain part of town where prostitutes could operate in indoor locations. There would need to be some sort of management and, of course, plenty of security to ensure the safety of the customers and girls.

Most escorts who work in apartments are pretty discrete and cautious about their business. I would bet most neighbors would even have a clue.
Trsut me- no girl wants to blow up her spot or lose her plce of business unless she is really crazy.

I know working girls (GG) that live in the Trump Towers.

Areas like u suggesting have excisted in America-in places like New Orleans and right here in NYC where there were blocks of brothels at one point in time. That is of course until morality stepped in.

As far as your family living next to a hooker, well you could be living next to a child molester, serial killer, drug dealer-or what have you. I'd pick living next to an upscale hooker any day over lets say- college kids.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Because this is they way that the majority of men who have this sexual attraction can deal with it- either through porn or by hiring an escort or prostitute. I think for the girls it's really just a way to may a living, or have surgery, or buy a purse- whatever your goals are. This is society.

But this is also true in the GG P4P scene. I think it's magnified in the TS P4P scene because on both sides I think there's a lack of other options which isn't as "bad" in the "straight" scene. What I mean is that guys looking for GG's can much more easily hook up with some GG without being a P4P relationship. I think you see guys coming on sites like this one thinking they are going to hook up with a TS, and unless they go the P4P route, it just never happens. OTOH, I think most guys hook up with some GG at some point in their lives (if they want to ).

Well once ts realize that most men just want sex from them, they wise up pretty quickly and all they want is money. Simple as that,

[Dino Velvet]

And I just want to ad that I have never, nor do look badly upon men who are clients.

A lot of girls do- and I just think that is ridiculous.

I can understand why some girls hate johns. I've had bad jobs in my life, but never had to deal with anyone who disrespected me that I was expected to be intimate with.

Like I said, I've only been to massage parlors. But I know there are guys who come in and think since they pay there $50 entrance fee + $100 for some full service, they can treat these poor girls like crap. I know some of the girls make good money, but many I've made friends with seem like they've lost a piece of their soul from working in the business.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

And I just want to ad that I have never, nor do look badly upon men who are clients.

A lot of girls do- and I just think that is ridiculous.

I can understand why some girls hate johns. I've had bad jobs in my life, but never had to deal with anyone who disrespected me that I was expected to be intimate with.

Like I said, I've only been to massage parlors. But I know there are guys who come in and think since they pay there $50 entrance fee + $100 for some full service, they can treat these poor girls like crap. I know some of the girls make good money, but many I've made friends with seem like they've lost a piece of their soul from working in the business.

Escorting. prostitution, etc is a customer service industry. As anyone who works in customer service and see how many jerks they encounter too.
You might hate that jerk who made you go through it for $250 but love the client who gave you thousands. It's just the way it is. Not every client is bad- not ever working girl is bad.

[slinky]

I know some of the girls make good money, but many I've made friends with seem like they've lost a piece of their soul from working in the business.

I know people must be tired of hearing me say this, but..............

It is almost impossible to be in the business for any length of time and not have it effect your relationships with 2 things: men and money, in a fairly substantial way.

[Dino Velvet]

As far as your family living next to a hooker, well you could be living next to a child molester, serial killer, drug dealer-or what have you. I'd pick living next to an upscale hooker any day over lets say- college kids.

I wouldn't want to live next door to a child molester, serial killer, or drug dealer either. If a hooker can operate without me knowing, I wouldn't care, but how do you control the conduct of your clients?

[slinky]

You might hate that jerk who made you go through it for $250 but love the client who gave you thousands.

It could even be the other way around. Unless someone was a total mercenary.

[Dino Velvet]

And I just want to ad that I have never, nor do look badly upon men who are clients.

A lot of girls do- and I just think that is ridiculous.

I can understand why some girls hate johns. I've had bad jobs in my life, but never had to deal with anyone who disrespected me that I was expected to be intimate with.

Like I said, I've only been to massage parlors. But I know there are guys who come in and think since they pay there $50 entrance fee + $100 for some full service, they can treat these poor girls like crap. I know some of the girls make good money, but many I've made friends with seem like they've lost a piece of their soul from working in the business.

Escorting. prostitution, etc is a customer service industry. As anyone who works in customer service and see how many jerks they encounter too.
You might hate that jerk who made you go through it for $250 but love the client who gave you thousands. It's just the way it is. Not every client is bad- not ever working girl is bad.

Allanah, you have a good attitude and seem comfortable in your own skin. That's good. I have to plead ignorance since I've never sat down and had a conversation with a TS Escort face to face, but are you in the minority of girls that can take things in stride so well?

[mbf]

a few more notes on the subject

@Dino Velvet: today I live in a small village. I know most people there. I used to live in a major city for about ten years, in three different apartment blocks all over the years. I NEVER knew more than two, three people who lived there, and it was only the closest neighbors, and I never knew what they did for a living.

@Danny partridge: there are so may GGs doin the p4p thing as well. on several levels. she neednt be a "full blown hoe", but a good looking chick can live for years without paying for whatever she needs if she wants to. and its beeing done VERY often. thats probably just a sign of our materialistic times. :shrug

I might be wrong on this, but I have the impression that its mostly the (white) middle class that got problems with prostitution. why is that? is it the urge of that group - that defines pretty much what is "decent", "acceptable" in the western world - to control and/or fight others that dont follow their morals/attitudes/ideas?

I got that impression from personal experience. I knew one escort personally, who ONLY did upscale clients. mostly business men and the like, usually at luxurious hotels. anybody there knew she was a hooker, the clients knew that anybody knew. but it didnt seem to be an issue of any kind to anybody involved.

is this disdain coming form the middle class just another example of inverted envy and fascination? in so far that the rigid morals of middle class forbids sex that is supposed to be for pure pleasure (instead of mainly "producing kids"), yet many middle class people secretly desire to take part in such acts?

again, thats speculation on my part, I might be totally wrong.

[Jericho]

Is it desperation for intimacy/to be loved? or merely just a power/ego trip?


None of the above.
It's just scratching an itch :shrug

[tsmandy]

I'd pick living next to an upscale hooker any day over lets say- college kids.

You hit the nail on the head. Hookers over sorority girls.

[tsmandy]

[quote=AllanahStarrNYC]
I wouldn't want to live next door to a child molester, serial killer, or drug dealer either. If a hooker can operate without me knowing, I wouldn't care, but how do you control the conduct of your clients?

As much as an upscale independent escort does not want to blow her cover with the neighbors, Mr. John fears it even more. I think as long as a lady is good at screening her clients, she will have relatively little to fear as far as her clients behavior is concerned. Or maybe I always had good luck, and good clientèle. I did however have nosy neighbors while providing incall, and that was always wicked stressful.

[dreamer]

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[foolish99]

Allanah wrote: "necessity is the mother of all relationships-so as long as everyone gets what they want it's fair."

As is the case frustratingly often with Allanah, I think she is 100% right.

I dont think that there is anything morally reprehensible per se about "johns" and "girls" connecting and girls getting paid for providing johns with love and companionship. Nothing at all. (From the girl's perspective, if you take all comers (cumers?), however, it seems like a pretty miserable way to make a living).

So going back to Allanah's quotation, I think that the risk/problem is that its not always clear what each party wants --- often even not to them. I have had two relationships with girls who were also working. In each instance, there were a number of issues (including fact that I was married, an issue that I am currently correcting ....). But one of them was that I could never get comfortable with idea that the girl was telling me the truth when she said that she cared for me/loved me. I am lucky to be in a position where I can be pretty generous --- and I loved seeing my girl dressed in the latest fashions and with the best cosmetic surgery so I often was very generous --- but I never really felt comfortable/knew where I stood. (Fact that each girl was far more beautiful than average looking guy like me deserved, certainly did not help).

So --- morally wrong? NO. Awful for the girl? Probably (but better than working at McDonalds). Sometimes challenging for people to negotiate, notwithstanding Allanah's wisdom? Absolutely.

And I have to say --- if I were transitioning into a beautiful girl --- I would definitely be a working girl. Hard to see other realistic options to support the lifestyle I would want. (Though I would be highly selective and hope to have a limited number of sugardaddies ....)

[TsVanessa69]

Men only use ts for sex. They fuck you and leave. So get something out the deal. Fair exchange. For the right sum of money I will be that little secret. See the girls who don't charge get used by the same guys that use escorts. I don't rely on "johns" money for bills and such, I used too. Now I do it to make a point I guess. Pay me for my time, and when you leave, I don't get my hopes up and wait for you to call.

[TsVanessa69]

Because this is they way that the majority of men who have this sexual attraction can deal with it- either through porn or by hiring an escort or prostitute. I think for the girls it's really just a way to may a living, or have surgery, or buy a purse- whatever your goals are. This is society.

But this is also true in the GG P4P scene. I think it's magnified in the TS P4P scene because on both sides I think there's a lack of other options which isn't as "bad" in the "straight" scene. What I mean is that guys looking for GG's can much more easily hook up with some GG without being a P4P relationship. I think you see guys coming on sites like this one thinking they are going to hook up with a TS, and unless they go the P4P route, it just never happens. OTOH, I think most guys hook up with some GG at some point in their lives (if they want to ).

Well once ts realize that most men just want sex from them, they wise up pretty quickly and all they want is money. Simple as that,My pointr excatly, fair is fai!

[Jericho]

Are you William Shatner?

LMFAO...There just isn't a smiley for that!

[BeardedOne]

OK, as always, I am playing catch-up on this thread (Which, as of page three, has been delightfully civil and enlightening...Am I in the right forum tonite? :shock: ).

First off:


u must have espn

:lol: :lol:

I can read your thoughts, but only during halftime. :lol: :wink:


I would prefer to have a certain part of town where prostitutes could operate in indoor locations. There would need to be some sort of management and, of course, plenty of security to ensure the safety of the customers and girls.

Amsterdam has its Red Light District and Boston (At least in my childhood, the area is now a trendy shopping megaplex) had its Combat Zone. It's all subject to the wills and whims of the local government and their constituency.


Most escorts who work in apartments are pretty discrete and cautious about their business. I would bet most neighbors would even have a clue.

The only thing that tipped Sydney Biddle Barrows' ("The Mayflower Madame") operation was the constant *Click* *Clack* of her girl's heels on the hallway floors that annoyed the neighbors and noise complaints led to the big bust. Otherwise, she was just an ordinary neighbor.


As far as your family living next to a hooker, well you could be living next to a child molester, serial killer, drug dealer-or what have you. I'd pick living next to an upscale hooker any day over lets say- college kids.

Dammit, I've had all of the above =except= the hookers. How can I get some of those?


I can understand why some girls hate johns. I've had bad jobs in my life, but never had to deal with anyone who disrespected me that I was expected to be intimate with.

This is so true. Say what you will about the two sides of P4P (Client/provider), but a client that treats the gurl like so much meat most likely treats everyone that way. The sad part is the physical contact that makes this particular 'customer service' position so distasteful (For the gurl). :(


today I live in a small village. I know most people there.

Discretion is as discretion does. The town I live in is only two blocks long (No shit, and they aren't "city blocks", as the entire town could fit in a Midtown Manhattan block), so the old adage of small-town life fits to a 'T' (As it were). Most folx here know that I am single, hermitic, and am more likely to have explosives in the basement than the usual shotgun (The town probably has more armament, per capita, than the state's National Guard compliment). They are also generally aware that I have no reservations about 'renting a date' when the mood/need arises. I don't bring them home with me only because I live in a shithole that I wouldn't allow anybody to see, let alone a date.

Also, our local "Mrs. Kravitz", living across the street (To my amusement, I found that the County and State Police refer to similar individuals as "Mrs. Kravitz" in their reports. :lol: "Abner!" Abner! Come quick! There's a tranny at the Stevens' house!" :lol: ) has filled the heads of the town's inhabitants with the tale that I am a deadbeat ex-husband to an alian immigrant (When I first bought the house, I took a day out on the deck and had headphones on. TW came by to vizzit and got no answer on either phone or knocking at the door and she - A zaftig Aisian/Amercian - came' round to the backyard and, seeing only my feet up on the deck, started jokingly yelling "Hey! Joe! You! Yankee bastard! Where my check!" :lol: ). Needless to say, everyone in town heard the tale by dawn of the next day. Not that I'd care if 'Gladys' saw me bring home boys, girls, gurls, cats, rats, or elephants.


I might be wrong on this, but I have the impression that its mostly the (white) middle class that got problems with prostitution. why is that?

Only the conservatives. The libs date the women in the blue dresses. :wink:


I got that impression from personal experience. I knew one escort personally, who ONLY did upscale clients. mostly business men and the like, usually at luxurious hotels. anybody there knew she was a hooker, the clients knew that anybody knew. but it didnt seem to be an issue of any kind to anybody involved.

I took a gurl out to dinner at a fairly upscale restaurant and the manager (Who is known to me) came over to greet us. I got the impression that he knew what our relationship was, but it just didn't make a difference. He and his staff treated us as good or better than anyone else in the house (And I believe we got some exceptional =extra= service). If people are decent, no matter their profession, why can't we just be decent back?


You hit the nail on the head. Hookers over sorority girls.

Yah. Sorority girls have bad business sense. They're always giving it away. :shrug


Or maybe I always had good luck, and good clientèle. I did however have nosy neighbors while providing incall, and that was always wicked stressful.

You've had good luck/clientele. To the other part, see my reference to "Mrs. Kravitz".


----then BAM --she's gone ---and she didn't even give a shit ---while I'm still here wanting to hold her --and make pizza bagels for the both of us in bed -----

I can so relate to that (Including the pizza bagels), but I have suffered far more emotional damage from "real" relationships and that is why I P4P at this point in my life.


But one of them was that I could never get comfortable with idea that the girl was telling me the truth when she said that she cared for me/loved me.

This is always a crapshoot. Of all of the women that lied to me about love and friendship, not one of them was a professional companion/escort/hooker/whore. I'm more likely to trust the words of the ones I pay than the ones that give the claims freely.


Are you William Shatner?

What----are you----implying,----M77? :lol: :wink:


Men only use ts for sex. They fuck you and leave.

A sad comment on men as a whole and for them, as a species, I apologize.


Pay me for my time, and when you leave, I don't get my hopes up and wait for you to call.

This should be a blanket rule for relationships as a whole. Male, female, Ts, TG, IS, fish, fowl, sheep, it's just how life is. Get over it.


Well once ts realize that most men just want sex from them...

At least you said "...most..." and not all. Thank you, Allanah.

Shit. I'm fucking tired and workies starts at 1:00 AM "tomorrow" (Five hours away). :x

Carry on without me and if I said anything incredibly stoopid, blame it on the beer.

Ooh, just noticed that the Intercontinental is only one block from Moomia. NYC is looking better tonite. :)

[Trogdor]

Yah. Sorority girls have bad business sense. They're always giving it away. :shrug

And.......that's bad? :?

[CORVETTEDUDE]

My statement and purpose is simple (at least it is to me, anyway). My interest is not in escorts, but respect your right to be so. I am deeply interested in an LTR with a lady of distinction. I am not sure it will ever happen, but that's my goal. Otherwise, I am here, at HA for the entertainment and learning value. I enjoy jacking with everyone and, hope I represent myself in an acceptable manner. here's lookin' at you, kid!!

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

For a living. Is it fair?

Can you blame the girls? Do you love 'em or hate 'em? :?

Relying on your money to get laid..

Is it desperation for intimacy/to be loved? or merely just a power/ego trip?

Inputs? LOL ;)

~Kisses.

HTG

necessity is the mother of all relationships-so as long as everyone gets what they want it's fair.

Very clever! I thought necessity is the mother of invention. But that works well in this case. ;)

Oh and by the way, I LOVE the new do and egyptian look Allanah! :P

~Kisses.

HTG

[qeuqheeg222]

what happens when the fruit on the vine begins to ferment ....

[Shining Star]

Women and some men have been relying upon the "kindness" of strangers (usually men), for ages. Weather it is "fair" or not depends upon one's out-look on the matter.

Basically you have three divisions of workers: those whom are forced, those whom wish to, and those whom must out of necessity.

Leaving out those who are forced, that leaves us with those who either wish to work or must work out of economic necessity. In each case "fairness" would seem to be on at least one scale, providing a contractual finite business transaction, just as with any other service. Provider receives compenstation for their time/efforts (this can include gratification), and the customer hopefully gets what he paid for.

Now there may be those workers who somehow blame their customers for their lot, seeing themselves as being "forced" to work, but that hardly seems true. Unless someone is pointing a gun to one's head there are other things one can do to earn a living. Mind you not many pay as well, nor are "glamourous", but options do exist.

In all honesty is it "fair" for anyone to earn a living, especially doing something when they would rather be doing something else? Well actually "no", but that is why wages and benefits are called "compensation". In exchange for giving your time, talents, education, etc: an employer or customer provides you with funds and perhaps other things as a reward. If you feel your reward is not equal to your efforts, then you are totally free to either negotiate better terms, or find another means of employment.

People Working In Trump Tower Not Noticed.

Well I don't know about that. Know lots of people who are doormen, concierges, porters and what not in apartment buildings, hotels and what not, who know exactly what is going on in their building. Indeed one reason many people today are paying vast sums to live in places like SoHo and Wall Street without doormen and the like is because they don't want anyone knowing their business.

Now what a doorman knows versus what he will say to your face is an entirely different matter. But I would hesitate strongly to assume just because no one says anything and or is very friendly that they do not know the deal. Most all hotel workers and doormen can spot "workers" and know who is working very easily. There simply isn't any other reason for a string of different men, even if it is only one a day or one a week, to visit a person and they always go up,but rarely come down as in picking someone up on a date. Do not forget many of these workers come from different backgrounds and some know their way around the "hood", thus know what to look for. Add to this the ease in finding adverts weather in print or on the Internet, which is probably the reason so many GG's and gay escorts do not show their faces in said adverts.

If you ever have the interest, take a trip down to Mid-Town Community Court in Manhattan one morning when they are processing the days prossing arrests. You'll find upscale apartment/hotel workers handcuffed right up there with street workers. Only difference is the upscale workers tend to have their own lawyers versus those waiting around for Legal Aid.

Working and Taxes

Again, the IRS does not normally care if you are working as a freelance florist or "Professional Escort", long as you pay taxes on income. Indeed many sucessful escorts have built themselves good lives by declaring their income and then investing. The only thing that might trigger a problem is if one reports income vastly under or over what your listed profession/employment. That is if you are claming to be a dog walker, and reporting income of $200,000 per year, the IRS may wish to have you come down for a talk. *LOL* Still the only thing they can do to is audit your returns,then levy fines and or penalties. Indeed many escorts in high rent apartment buildings have to declare income as to rent an apartment, and to certianly buy one you need to show income.

SS

[Night Rider]

I don't think escorts have any reason to feel guilty. If women were as desperate for lustful sex as men then i'd do it myself! But i do think escorts should make it as pleasurable as possible as we're handing over big money. If u pay $200-300 per hour then ur expecting a time to savour LOL :P

[slinky]

Nice post Shining Star

[BeardedOne]

Yah. Sorority girls have bad business sense. They're always giving it away. :shrug

And.......that's bad? :?

For them, bizwise. For us, it's a day at the fair. :)


That is if you are claming to be a dog walker, and reporting income of $200,000 per year, the IRS may wish to have you come down for a talk. *LOL* Still the only thing they can do to is audit your returns,then levy fines and or penalties.

Though I have my doubts that the IRS will bitch too loudly over someone paying =too much= in taxes. :)