To the photographers...................................

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

I want to say that I think it's great what you guys do. You come to the parties with your windup disposable cameras to your digital [insert size] megapixel camera's and you shoot photos of the chicks.

Here's my gripe. If you're going to take pictures MAKE SURE that you edit out the individuals in the background. I have received several emails, etc. from folks who do not want their appearance caught on film, and to be honest they have a legitimate beef.

[JANIRA]

..........Wear a paper bag.....;lolll

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Well to be honest-
The editing is done as a courtesy for our customers as they wish to be discrete-
however- you are in a public place, which means anyone could picture you.

As anyone is allowed to bring in cameras to the events-
this would be more for the people who post the pictures

The only place that I ever see faces blurred out at club photos is at tranny parties- which speaks volumes for our culture.

[CrazyAboutTGirls]

Allanah is right, the reason cctv is legal is that they take a picture of you in a place where it would be reasonable to have your picture taken, like a club or the street.

If so many guys at t-girl clubs didn't have wives and city jobs, it wouldn't be a problem.

If Vogue was taking pictures in a straight club, everyone would want to be in the picture.

If we all love the t-girls, we should be willing to be in the photo, if only cause my cute face will raise everone opinions about the guys who go! (joke)

[hwbs]

i have no problems putting these such pictures on my own personal page..i prefer not to have it on here..just my preference.

[gonzobear]

I try to be aware of the privacy of people at a club or party, and most times I try to ask permission of the person I photograph at these events.
Some guys don't want photos taken, and some girls get tired of having a camera shoved intheir faces.
but the reality is that they are in a public place. They are grabbing girls (pretty ones!) and trying their best to get a delicious handful.
But if you are in a public place and start grabbing naked she-male flesh you give up any real expectation of privacy. Your secret is dependent on the judgement of anyone with a camera and access to a website.
As for me, I do not care if my face is broadcast to the world.
I'm too old and too broke and too crazy to care.

But some men have families and jobs who will not understand our needs for these special females.
So I try to respect their privacy. I won't paste your mug for all your family to enjoy.

Its heaven to be kissing the sexy she-male of your dreams.
its a nightmare to try to explain to fools and idiots at work or at home why your lips are plastered all over a girl with big boobs and a 9 inch hard on
You do it because its natural for men like us to kiss a girl with a dick.
We lust for them, we need them, we chase them, we love them.

The rest of the world is too stupid to accept that.

Allanah is right, the culture we live in does not accept us........yet.

[For_You]

Well to be honest-
The editing is done as a courtesy for our customers as they wish to be discrete-
however- you are in a public place, which means anyone could picture you.

As anyone is allowed to bring in cameras to the events-
this would be more for the people who post the pictures

The only place that I ever see faces blurred out at club photos is at tranny parties- which speaks volumes for our culture.
how would you feel if you were outed at a non TS event? Just show some respect. if not for those guys you would be broke

[Ant-Man]

Laws vary from location to location, but, as I understand things:

Any venue that charges a cover is considered private. People DO have a reasonable expectation of privacy whenever they pay to enter. A standard model release applies. Without one, a photographer could be subject to legal action...

[the Adrienne Barbeaubot]

I have no problem with having my picture taken with the girls.In fact, I know 2 of the photographers and always ask them if they can capture the moment of Allanah and I or the other girls together. There are pix of me in the party photos section of this site and I am proud to say that I love being with TGs and GGs.I am not ashamed or frightened of what my desires are and could care less if people think I'm a freak.I know who I am. I'm a good and decent Human Being who happens to be a Hedonist and likes to have fun.Nuff said.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

JWBL....Man, you've got to change your avatar!!!! My nut hurt!!! :cry

[CORVETTEDUDE]

JWBL....Man, you've got to change your avatar!!!! My nuts hurt!!! :cry

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Well to be honest-
The editing is done as a courtesy for our customers as they wish to be discrete-
however- you are in a public place, which means anyone could picture you.

As anyone is allowed to bring in cameras to the events-
this would be more for the people who post the pictures

The only place that I ever see faces blurred out at club photos is at tranny parties- which speaks volumes for our culture.
how would you feel if you were outed at a non TS event? Just show some respect. if not for those guys you would be broke


Respect? What the fuck are you talking about?

I have never outed anyone or posted a picture of a guy intentionally. Cameras are allowed at the parties- they always have been. I can't control who takes a pic of whom- and trust me NO one is trying to focus on the guys. They are just usually on the background.

As far as the legality- having worked with MYV and Playboy TV at my events- posting disclaimers at the entrance and about the club is enough.

It's quite simple:

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Laws vary from location to location, but, as I understand things:

Any venue that charges a cover is considered private. People DO have a reasonable expectation of privacy whenever they pay to enter. A standard model release applies. Without one, a photographer could be subject to legal action...

exactly



JWBL....Man, you've got to change your avatar!!!! My nuts hurt!!! :cry

gladly, but right now this is what I feel like doing to a few of the photographers so it'll stay for a few...............


I will say this, Allanah has stood in front of me at parties when some of you pixel clickers have run up to take photos. That respect thing is way out of line, I have the most respect for her doing that, she really didn't have to.

All I'm saying is don't be lazy and go home and be so excited that you got to take some pics that you forget to photoshop [blur tool] out the backgrounds if it is necessary. I get literally 5 to 6 calls, IM's, or emails a week because of shit like this, and I am glad I do because discretion should be kept.

[whatsupwithat]

The only place that I ever see faces blurred out at club photos is at tranny parties- which speaks volumes for our culture.

hahaha! I was just talking about this exact issue today with someone.

Bravo, Allanah!! Bravo!!!





:claps :claps :claps :claps :claps :claps

[whatsupwithat]

and I am glad I do because discretion should be kept.

[/b]

I normally agree with you. But "discretion"? Why does "discretion" have to be kept? Because these are transsexuals and, god forbid, someone might see these guys at transsexual party? Or because so many of the guys are in the closet, married, with girlfriends, etc? Or are the men afraid they will lose clients, friends, business? And what, as Allanah said, does that say about our society?

The men need to grow a pair and stop the shame. It kills, literally.

[whatsupwithat]

Allanah is right, the reason cctv is legal is that they take a picture of you in a place where it would be reasonable to have your picture taken, like a club or the street.

If so many guys at t-girl clubs didn't have wives and city jobs, it wouldn't be a problem.

If Vogue was taking pictures in a straight club, everyone would want to be in the picture.

If we all love the t-girls, we should be willing to be in the photo, if only cause my cute face will raise everone opinions about the guys who go! (joke)

Great post.

Wives and city jobs...it's so sad, isn't it?

Looking at the pictures is like watching America's Most Wanted.

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

look, it is what it is

If guys don't want their pics taken at the events I think that's fair. For the record transsexual events are NOT the only events held that photos are blurred out. I think it's silly to make that the main argument of the thread.

This is simply a note to the photographers too lazy to edit their shots, and the people that get photos from these lazy photographers and rush to put them up without caring that someone in the background might not approve of the post.

[slinky]

I think if the photographers randomly got the crap beat out of them once in a while it would curtail "mistakes". You know: "oops, I forgot to edit your face out" = "oops, my fist just accidentally jammed your septum back into your nasal cavity".

An armed society is a polite society.

[slinky]

BTW: I think party promoters way underestimate the loss of business due to the photography. An awful lot of guys don't go to parties because they won't even take a chance of going to someplace where they will get photographed. But do you know who will go? "Tranny chasers". That's right, with all the complaints from girls about the chasers, the events get done in a way which makes it the most likely that only "Tranny chasers" will show up, because non-tranny chasers wouldn't get caught on camera. So next time a girl wonders why there are no "regular guys" and only "chasers" at a party, perhaps they should turn around when some guy pulls out a $99 1.5megapixel point and shoot instead of running in front of it and perhaps they will see all the guys behind them ducking for cover.

[slinky]

PS A lot of stripclubs aren't even letting guys take their cell phones into the clubs anymore for just this reason.

[NYTSJulie]

I can see it now, guys will be wearing ski masks to future parties, lol. Honestly guys not to burst your bubble but I doubt that people are really wanting your pics. You might end up far in the background or something. Need to bring you back to reality, your not as important as you think you may be...............kiss kiss

[hwbs]

i would say the more annoying thing is leaving the party seeing flashing lights for a few hours after the fact...some of them u can't have a drink without going blind from all the flashes..it gets a little old after awhile...

[gonzobear]

BTW: I think party promoters way underestimate the loss of business due to the photography. An awful lot of guys don't go to parties because they won't even take a chance of going to someplace where they will get photographed. But do you know who will go? "Tranny chasers". That's right, with all the complaints from girls about the chasers, the events get done in a way which makes it the most likely that only "Tranny chasers" will show up, because non-tranny chasers wouldn't get caught on camera. So next time a girl wonders why there are no "regular guys" and only


"Regular guys"?????
"loss of business"???
there are parties where I can't even turn arond, cause its so crowded.Allanah"s parties are Packed!
What...you want to invite a bunch a straight, non tg interested people to stand around and..........what?? talk about the weather. Discuss global politics.
WE are there because WE love the TG form.
WE love the feminine form and shape with the special addition of the cock and balls.
WE love and lust for the girl with a sweet feminine face, soft touchable breast, a nice female figure, and a magnificent bulge between her legs.
IF we wanted plain vinnilla pussy, there are 1000 other, cheaper, less crowded, more private places to go to and try to pick up an ordinary everyday female
But....
WE want the "transgendered" woman
WE are there for the girl with red lips, the tight dress, the long shaply legs, the round ass, the sweet perfume, the erect nipples gently pushing through a silky dress,......and between her legs is that special of erect manhood that makes her soooooo special, so treasured,so wanted ,
by us group of special men, the tranny chasers.

Want to ban the cameras, go ahead.
Want to "protect" people's privacy, ok, so do it.
But that ain't gonna attract "straight " people to come and spend hard earned cash to look and "funny" women!
The only guys who come to this party are those with LOVE in their hearts for the Girls on the stage!

[beatmaker]

I can see it now, guys will be wearing ski masks to future parties, lol. Honestly guys not to burst your bubble but I doubt that people are really wanting your pics. You might end up far in the background or something. Need to bring you back to reality, your not as important as you think you may be...............kiss kiss

You TOTALLY missed the point. It's not about guys thinking they are the focal point of these photos. It's about malicious individuals seeing the person in the photo and emailing it to everyone they know or better yet distributing a copy thru their place of work. Perfect example, a guy that works upstairs from me, had a picture of a Latin tranny with a stiffie in his draw and some snooping MF found it and now he's the gay guy, the downlow brotha and everything else. Some obnoxious chick I know, laughily told me the story one day. He likes woman, but he's been labeled in his department, as liking men and possibly having the monster (HIV), so he can forget about dealing with the females at the job. Dude's name is mud. Imagine, if your a school teacher and some "concerned parent" found your picture in the background of some trannie giving a guy a lapdance. How is that going to play out at the PTA meeting. I personally don't like anyone I don't know taking my picture, as you never know what the future holds. Look at Vanessa Williams, Vanessa Hutchens (High School Musical) and countless others who have had their careers hurt by photos that surfaced on the internet. If some guy who's 24, now gets photographed and decides at 40 he wants to run for public office and some a-hole decides he can make a fast buck by selling the photo to his opponent, it really doesn't matter that he wasn't the star of the photo does it? Look at the courthouse employee that was busted taking a picture of O.J Simpson leaving the courtroom with his camera phone. They weren't even paying him any mind, it just so happens the news camera caught him while they were filming O.J leave and it surfaced later, when someone reviewed the tape. This guy might lose his job over that.

Someone mentioned having some balls and this, that and the third. We live in a society where men who are attracted to transsexuals are viewed as "gay", even if they have no attraction to men or masculinity. It reminds me of how Jerry Springer would ask every man on his show, that was involved with a transsexual "how long have you been gay"? Some people just don't want to deal with the negative assumptions, so they keep it to themselves. Reminds me of actress Carol Channing revealing she had Black family members, when she was in her 80's. She's at a point in her life, where she's lived, made her money and solidified her celebrity, so she doesn't care about the negative implications anymore. Trust me, if she revealed that 40-50 years ago, she would have been blackballed literally. So, as a African-American, I'm not mad at her for doing that. Why deal with a racist society if you don't have to, just like we live in a homophobic society that is intolerant of trannies and the men who admire them. I was getting ready to leave my house earlier today and "Access Hollywood" was on. I usually don't watch shyt like that, but I was rushing and didn't feel like turning the channel. Anyway, they were talking about the nasty relationship between Charlie Sheen and Denise Richards and Denise made it a point to publicize Charlie's online porn habit. The reporter says "He has reportedly joined dozens of online porn sites, including one called "Latin Trannies". They singled that one out, because it had the most societal stigma attached to it.

I agree wth the Dannypartridge, about people not coming in, due to the excessive picture taking. It's one reason why I stopped going like I used to. I remember when Allanah had her party on the same block as a very popular hip-hop club named "Speed". I was going to go to her party one night and the block was so crowded, I just left. Too many people I know or work with, go to that club. I wondered why she would have her parties, next to such a crowded situation when many men would prefer discretion. At the Holloween party in 2005, the clubgoers next door, came thru the curtain and walked thru the party like it was a damn freak show or something. I remember these two Asian girls laughing and pointing at one of the dancers on stage, then going back thru the curtain. I definitely wasn't feeling that vibe or location. Irregardless of your personal views on the topic, respect the next man's wishes and privacy.

[ARMANIXXX]

So,

as it turns out, it seems camera's can indeed steal your soul after all.

[whatsupwithat]

BTW: I think party promoters way underestimate the loss of business due to the photography. An awful lot of guys don't go to parties because they won't even take a chance of going to someplace where they will get photographed. But do you know who will go? "Tranny chasers". That's right, with all the complaints from girls about the chasers, the events get done in a way which makes it the most likely that only "Tranny chasers" will show up, because non-tranny chasers wouldn't get caught on camera. So next time a girl wonders why there are no "regular guys" and only "chasers" at a party, perhaps they should turn around when some guy pulls out a $99 1.5megapixel point and shoot instead of running in front of it and perhaps they will see all the guys behind them ducking for cover.

I don't understand your post.

So, a "regular guy" is one who would be ashamed if a picture surfaced of him at a tranny party?

There's nothing more risque at the parties than what you see at a regular club. In fact, it's less so. Someone mentioned strip clubs...that I can understand. Allanah's and Sunny's parties are not strip clubs.

That said...if we were to discuss this rationally, wouldn't it make sense to have one or two photographers allowed only. Event photographers. That would make everyone happy...no?

[whatsupwithat]

Someone mentioned having some balls and this, that and the third. We live in a society where men who are attracted to transsexuals are viewed as "gay", even if they have no attraction to men or masculinity. It reminds me of how Jerry Springer would ask every man on his show, that was involved with a transsexual "how long have you been gay"? Some people just don't want to deal with the negative assumptions, so they keep it to themselves. Reminds me of actress Carol Channing revealing she had Black family members, when she was in her 80's. She's at a point in her life, where she's lived, made her money and solidified her celebrity, so she doesn't care about the negative implications anymore. Trust me, if she revealed that 40-50 years ago, she would have been blackballed literally. So, as a African-American, I'm not mad at her for doing that. Why deal with a racist society if you don't have to, just like we live in a homophobic society that is intolerant of trannies and the men who admire them. I was getting ready to leave my house earlier today and "Access Hollywood" was on. I usually don't watch shyt like that, but I was rushing and didn't feel like turning the channel. Anyway, they were talking about the nasty relationship between Charlie Sheen and Denise Richards and Denise made it a point to publicize Charlie's online porn habit. The reporter says "He has reportedly joined dozens of online porn sites, including one called "Latin Trannies". They singled that one out, because it had the most societal stigma attached to it.

See, I'm of the mind that the people I respect the most are the ones who led the battles. Who never hid themselves from society because of society's views. Most people prefer to sit back and let the status quo run their lives. i believe it's up to us, as people, to change the status quo. Where there is injustice and judgement, am I going to be the one to sit back and let it continue? Or the one to come forward and say it's wrong and try to change it? I prefer to be the latter.

[hillbilly]

It would be nice that when you spend a $100 or so in an establishment you could be afforded some discretion. Don't you think?

Photos of the girls promote the girls and the party which is great for everyone.

That being said with the amount of people that I deal with in my career I don't need my face showing up in a photo and as a result one narrow minded soul bringing me down.

All that aside that venue is so tiny it's just fucking annoying getting around all those guys taking pictures. Not so much of a problem at someplace as large as Club Shelter was.

Anyways a little mutual respect. Blur the photos!

[SarahG]

This is a complicated issue.

Think of all the time you end up on film or in pics on any given day as you go about your typical schedules running errands. All those survaliance/security systems, etc etc... who owns all that content? How can it be used?

Activists, especially anti-abortionist groups, have used pictures of everyone entering & leaving clinics... so that the pictures could be used to "help them see the error of their ways" :roll:

Similar practices have become more mainstream in especially religious fundamentalist activism since the 1990s, I have seen numerous articles about it where the photographers took pictures of people or cars in parking lots of clubs, adult stores, etc. I think ultimately it is how the pictures are used which becomes debated, not ownership or restrictions on how they are taken.

Legally speaking, so long its posted that such systems exist, institutions can have such pictures & film of people without release forms. Just the other month one of ABC's news programs did a quick story on taxi companies in the US which now use pictures of what happens in the back seat without a signed release because of posted notices throughout the cab. If you like it or not; that's how the law works at the moment.

[Ecstatic]

There are two not mutually exclusive if differing principles here. On the one hand, yes....

The men need to grow a pair and stop the shame. It kills, literally.
I think it's a negative aspect of the transcommunity (inclusive of transwomen and their admirers) that there is so much shame. I am unashamed to be seen with any transgendered friend in any circumstance (well, other than what goes on behind closed doors in the bedroom). If admirers/chasers/transcurious guys would give up the shame, it would be helpful to the community and to the transwomen they profess to admire.

However, for reasons given above including malicious use of "evidence" by third parties who find men's photos from the parties online, I also agree that discretion is often the better part of valor. As JW says,


and I am glad I do because discretion should be kept.

Whenever I've taken photos at one of Allanah's parties, I've always blurred out the guys in the background, out of repect and discretion. That they shouldn't feel shame does not give me license to expose their presence at the club. Now if you see me there, go ahead and take my pic, I don't care.

[hillbilly]

very good post and very interesting issues as our world becomes completely wired and information exchange seamless. we are in uncharted waters that new laws will have to made for as we go.

that aside, we aren't talking about the law at all.

[mbf]

This is a complicated issue.

Think of all the time you end up on film or in pics on any given day as you go about your typical schedules running errands. All those survaliance/security systems, etc etc... who owns all that content? How can it be used?

Activists, especially anti-abortionist groups, have used pictures of everyone entering & leaving clinics... so that the pictures could be used to "help them see the error of their ways" :roll:

Similar practices have become more mainstream in especially religious fundamentalist activism since the 1990s, I have seen numerous articles about it where the photographers took pictures of people or cars in parking lots of clubs, adult stores, etc. I think ultimately it is how the pictures are used which becomes debated, not ownership or restrictions on how they are taken.

Legally speaking, so long its posted that such systems exist, institutions can have such pictures & film of people without release forms. Just the other month one of ABC's news programs did a quick story on taxi companies in the US which now use pictures of what happens in the back seat without a signed release because of posted notices throughout the cab. If you like it or not; that's how the law works at the moment.

thats exactly what I was going to write, but SarahG saved me much of the typing. today not even a hermit in the canadian woods will get unnoticed, hence advanced surveillance satellites or planes.

I am so damn sure (caution: stereotype ahead!) some fat-baldening-guys in those control-rooms of those surveillance systems in virtually ANY urban area will just zoom in on the hot chicks (and, if his buddy aint around, check out some twinks).

thats the result of the fixation on paranoia in the westrern hemisphere.

[NYTSJulie]

I can see it now, guys will be wearing ski masks to future parties, lol. Honestly guys not to burst your bubble but I doubt that people are really wanting your pics. You might end up far in the background or something. Need to bring you back to reality, your not as important as you think you may be...............kiss kiss

You TOTALLY missed the point. It's not about guys thinking they are the focal point of these photos. It's about malicious individuals seeing the person in the photo and emailing it to everyone they know or better yet distributing a copy thru their place of work. Perfect example, a guy that works upstairs from me, had a picture of a Latin tranny with a stiffie in his draw and some snooping MF found it and now he's the gay guy, the downlow brotha and everything else. Some obnoxious chick I know, laughily told me the story one day. He likes woman, but he's been labeled in his department, as liking men and possibly having the monster (HIV), so he can forget about dealing with the females at the job. Dude's name is mud. Imagine, if your a school teacher and some "concerned parent" found your picture in the background of some trannie giving a guy a lapdance. How is that going to play out at the PTA meeting. I personally don't like anyone I don't know taking my picture, as you never know what the future holds. Look at Vanessa Williams, Vanessa Hutchens (High School Musical) and countless others who have had their careers hurt by photos that surfaced on the internet. If some guy who's 24, now gets photographed and decides at 40 he wants to run for public office and some a-hole decides he can make a fast buck by selling the photo to his opponent, it really doesn't matter that he wasn't the star of the photo does it? Look at the courthouse employee that was busted taking a picture of O.J Simpson leaving the courtroom with his camera phone. They weren't even paying him any mind, it just so happens the news camera caught him while they were filming O.J leave and it surfaced later, when someone reviewed the tape. This guy might lose his job over that.

Someone mentioned having some balls and this, that and the third. We live in a society where men who are attracted to transsexuals are viewed as "gay", even if they have no attraction to men or masculinity. It reminds me of how Jerry Springer would ask every man on his show, that was involved with a transsexual "how long have you been gay"? Some people just don't want to deal with the negative assumptions, so they keep it to themselves. Reminds me of actress Carol Channing revealing she had Black family members, when she was in her 80's. She's at a point in her life, where she's lived, made her money and solidified her celebrity, so she doesn't care about the negative implications anymore. Trust me, if she revealed that 40-50 years ago, she would have been blackballed literally. So, as a African-American, I'm not mad at her for doing that. Why deal with a racist society if you don't have to, just like we live in a homophobic society that is intolerant of trannies and the men who admire them. I was getting ready to leave my house earlier today and "Access Hollywood" was on. I usually don't watch shyt like that, but I was rushing and didn't feel like turning the channel. Anyway, they were talking about the nasty relationship between Charlie Sheen and Denise Richards and Denise made it a point to publicize Charlie's online porn habit. The reporter says "He has reportedly joined dozens of online porn sites, including one called "Latin Trannies". They singled that one out, because it had the most societal stigma attached to it.

I agree wth the Dannypartridge, about people not coming in, due to the excessive picture taking. It's one reason why I stopped going like I used to. I remember when Allanah had her party on the same block as a very popular hip-hop club named "Speed". I was going to go to her party one night and the block was so crowded, I just left. Too many people I know or work with, go to that club. I wondered why she would have her parties, next to such a crowded situation when many men would prefer discretion. At the Holloween party in 2005, the clubgoers next door, came thru the curtain and walked thru the party like it was a damn freak show or something. I remember these two Asian girls laughing and pointing at one of the dancers on stage, then going back thru the curtain. I definitely wasn't feeling that vibe or location. Irregardless of your personal views on the topic, respect the next man's wishes and privacy.

You wrote this like I was gonna read it then think to myself, hmmmm ya I see his point. Silly trick, lol at that. If you are so afraid of being "outed" then dont go to the parties or dont associate with transsexuals.

How can you honestly say "god forbid I was seen with a transsexual" and expect myself or any other TS to be receptive or understand your stance?

Your pretty much saying that you believe your social status is higher then any transsexuals.

It makes me laugh. Its just like the fat dumpy old trick that comes to see the TS. Pays her money to suck on her cock, then when he blows his load and the euphoria wears off he starts saying things that are insulting. Like "if you saw me out somewhere you wouldn't say anything right". I respond with, hunny your not that important and I wont even remember you tomorrow.

What baffles me the most is you think its ok for you to sit there and openly insult. For that I hope someone does take your picture and slays the shit out of you, knock you down a peg or two.

Kiss Kiss

[SarahG]

very good post and very interesting issues as our world becomes completely wired and information exchange seamless. we are in uncharted waters that new laws will have to made for as we go.

that aside, we aren't talking about the law at all.

The law was mentioned in this thread, someone specifically mentioned signed releases for instance.

This is an IT ethics issue IMO. I said ethics and not law for a reason, the two aren't always the same thing.

[hillbilly]

If you like it or not; that's how the law works at the moment.

oh ok.

[Felicia Katt]

Laws vary from location to location, but, as I understand things:

Any venue that charges a cover is considered private. People DO have a reasonable expectation of privacy whenever they pay to enter. A standard model release applies. Without one, a photographer could be subject to legal action...
Antman, I love the pictures you take, but question your take on the law. I don't beleive charging makes a venue private, nor do I beleive a model release is necessary where admission is paid. If that were the case, they could never show the fans at a baseball game, people waiting in line for the next Harry Potter, etc etc.. If an event is open to the public, its not private. The mangement would have the right to limit or eliminate photography (Peanuts has rules against cameras, so does Divas to my knowlege), but if there are no rules and cameras are out in force, you have no real expectation of privacy, nor any legal rights with respect to pictures you may be in, unless they result in the commercial exploitation of your image. If they put you on a t-shirt, thats one thing, a web site completely another. And even if the pics are on a commercial site, if they are of public event, or one of public interest, they can be displayed as part of reporting on the event. The right to privacy is a general one, the right to a free press is a much broader specific one.

FK

[ilovetgirls36]

if your hiding from your wife or girl friend dont go to the parties or put on a disguise...pussies !!!!

[peggygee]

Y'all say you want discretion - I say you just want to engage in down low behavior.

If you don't want to be seen by your wives, or girlfriends, then don't be
creeping around on them.

About photos, someone once told me never to be in a photo that I
wouldn't be comfortable having my Mother see me in, and I never
have.

And finally you guys really, really need to stop saying that you see
transwomen just like any other woman, and that you love them.

Are you ashamed, embarassed, or want discretion with other women,
or is it only the women, who are your dirty little secrets.

I have never been ashamed to be in a photograph with someone I
loved.

You can lie to yourselves, rationalize it, sugarcoat it, word it anyway you
like, but the fact remains, that it is down low, and self loathing behavior.

My respect level for many has sunk. :(

Y'all are pathetic.

[whatsupwithat]

Y'all say you want discretion - I say you just want to engage in down low behavior.

If you don't want to be seen by your wives, or girlfriends, then don't be
creeping around on them.

About photos, someone once told me never to be in a photo that I
wouldn't be comfortable having my Mother see me in, and I never
have.

And finally you guys really, really need to stop saying that you see
transwomen just like any other woman, and that you love them.

Are you ashamed, embarassed, or want discretion with other women,
or is it only the women, who are your dirty little secrets.

I have never been ashamed to be in a photograph with someone I
loved.

You can lie to yourselves, rationalize it, sugarcoat it, word it anyway you
like, but the fact remains, that it is down low, and self loathing behavior.

My respect level for many has sunk. :(

Y'all are pathetic.

And like always, peggy keeps it real.

:claps

[mbf]

Y'all say you want discretion - I say you just want to engage in down low behavior.

You can lie to yourselves, rationalize it, sugarcoat it, word it anyway you
like, but the fact remains, that it is down low, and self loathing behavior.

My respect level for many has sunk. :(

Y'all are pathetic.

where did that "all" come from all of a sudden, I might have trouble counting, but isnt it 2 guys dont care versus 4 guys want discretion???

me, if i went to such events, wouldnt care at all. I ve been a DJ and music journalist and theres pix taken all over the place, I ve found some of me looking (and most def) beein very fucked up on some stuff.

I dont work a "mainstream"-job and I am glad about that. tried that for half a year, must be a suit allergy in combination with an anti-asskissers-syndrome or something. couldnt stand it at all.

what you seem to miss is, if the "mainstream"-world makes you follow this
down low behaviour, leave it for fucks sake.

but thats just me, words from a weirdo, I could be all wrong, a terrible mistake....

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

I think many people have crossed the line judging individuals that do not want their faces plastered on HA. For the record the people I've received IM's or calls from aren't even HA members, they catch wind of their faces on here FROM HA members; with that said I can understand them wanting their faces removed.

No offense but what truly bothers me about some of the responses to this thread is the assumed normality of folks attending a transsexual party. Let's face it, it's not considered normal in this fucked up society we live in. Let's not mistake this bubble of a world we reside in a few hours a day called Hung Angels for the real world we truly live in, where folks get fired, abandoned, forced into retirement, divorced, and/or denied parental visits for the most idiotic things.

Let's not assume that folks that have something to hide are ALWAYS married, or in heterosexual relationships ONLY forgetting the time & effort they might have put into a career, and let's not jump to the conclusion to say they can't play just like anyone else could if they choose to; that would not be fair.

[hillbilly]

yes it's true that i want to be "discreet" about my "down low" activities. that's true whether i am a at strip club or socializing with this subset of culture that traditionally has been pushed to the darkest corners of NYC.

let's face it the people who are criticizing those of us that don't want to be seen in the photographs are those of you who don't work in the mainstream. don't try to tell me that you do. i'm talking working with Fortune 500 companies not some piddly club or social services.

i would think that those of you who have come to live your life out in the open have gone through some struggle to do so and could empathize with those who choose not to.

its so much more than hanging out with transexuals as well. let's face it we are hanging out with PROSTITUTES. show me someone who broadcasts their night to the world when they spent it with prostitutes.

y'all are being so silly you're not so noble because you would allow your photos to be shown. you have your share of dirtly laundry too. we all do.

yeah i'm being shady when i'm out (i miss Mega haha) but i have no regrets about my 20 yrs of being shady. it's just the way it went down.

[whatsupwithat]

I think many people have crossed the line judging individuals that do not want their faces plastered on HA. For the record the people I've received IM's or calls from aren't even HA members, they catch wind of their faces on here FROM HA members; with that said I can understand them wanting their faces removed.

No offense but what truly bothers me about some of the responses to this thread is the assumed normality of folks attending a transsexual party. Let's face it, it's not considered normal in this fucked up society we live in. Let's not mistake this bubble of a world we reside in a few hours a day called Hung Angels for the real world we truly live in, where folks get fired, abandoned, forced into retirement, divorced, and/or denied parental visits for the most idiotic things.

Let's not assume that folks that have something to hide are ALWAYS married, or in heterosexual relationships ONLY forgetting the time & effort they might have put into a career, and let's not jump to the conclusion to say they can't play just like anyone else could if they choose to; that would not be fair.

I decided to post my picture and a link to my myspace page on HA for a very good reason. I have nothing to hide. Am i worried about my career, friends, family? No. Life's too short to spend in hiding, in shame, in fear, in worry of what others might think of me. In the end, I'm wiling to sacrifice anything but myself and who I am. Although, i can totally understand one of the exceptions you posted. When it comes to a child's welfare, I would put that above myself any day.

Change doesn't begin with others, it begins with ourselves. And the trans community needs people to change, needs the support of the men in this community. I guess that's my point.

[SarahG]

i'm talking working with Fortune 500 companies not some piddly club or social services.

I don't deny that this country's attitudes to certain fields and subcultures is a bit messed up.

But; just because someone is working for a fortune500 company doesn't mean they're being given extra scrutiny over their off the job activities.

Keep in mind what companies are in the fortune500, they're not all specialist firms with highly educated/skilled/trained workers. This year walmart is in the top 5, kroger is 26th. Now, I have had a few friends who have been fired from walmarts on the count of their trans status, so I am not saying that being in a fortune500 means its easy to keep your job, I just don't buy that it is all that much more critical as any number of other fields & corporations. Sometimes the smaller companies are even more "strict" in terms of firing & hiring practices.

[peggygee]

.

Let's not mistake this bubble of a world we reside in a few hours a day called Hung Angels for the real world we truly live in, where folks get fired, abandoned, forced into retirement, divorced, and/or denied parental visits for the most idiotic things.



You mean like the bubble of a world that tranwomen live in 24/7/365



yes it's true that i want to be "discreet" about my "down low" activities. that's true whether i am a at strip club or socializing with this subset of culture that traditionally has been pushed to the darkest corners of NYC.

let's face it the people who are criticizing those of us that don't want to be seen in the photographs are those of you who don't work in the mainstream. don't try to tell me that you do. i'm talking working with Fortune 500 companies not some piddly club or social services.

i would think that those of you who have come to live your life out in the open have gone through some struggle to do so and could empathize with those who choose not to.

its so much more than hanging out with transexuals as well. let's face it we are hanging out with PROSTITUTES. show me someone who broadcasts their night to the world when they spent it with prostitutes.

y'all are being so silly you're not so noble because you would allow your photos to be shown. you have your share of dirtly laundry too. we all do.

yeah i'm being shady when i'm out (i miss Mega haha) but i have no regrets about my 20 yrs of being shady. it's just the way it went down.

If you do not want to be photographed with a prostitute, don't be out in
public with one. Don't want to be caught drunk driving, don't drive drunk.
Don't want to be arrested for sucking dicks in an airport Senator, don't
suck dicks in an airport bathroom.

In life there are often consequences for your actions.

And while I don't work in social services, though I do volunteer a fair
amount of my time to causes that I believe in, I do not feel that your
comment raising the status of those who work in Fortune 500 and
diminishing those who help their fellow human being is accurate.

Like I said, re-word it, tweak it, put any spin on it that you want, it's still
down low behavior, and I have absolutely no empathy for people who
lead lives of lies, and want others to be their accomplices in those lies.

[mbf]

yes it's true that i want to be "discreet" about my "down low" activities. that's true whether i am a at strip club or socializing with this subset of culture that traditionally has been pushed to the darkest corners of NYC.

let's face it the people who are criticizing those of us that don't want to be seen in the photographs are those of you who don't work in the mainstream. don't try to tell me that you do. i'm talking working with Fortune 500 companies not some piddly club or social services.

i would think that those of you who have come to live your life out in the open have gone through some struggle to do so and could empathize with those who choose not to.


just to avoid misunderstanings: I am not critisizing. anybody can do whatever they want on that matter. I dont care if my pic pop up on a website when I was attending a party or something like that. for others it may be a totally diffeent story

what I cant stand is beeing filmed ten times on my way to the grocerystore just bc everybody became so friggin paranoid since 9 11

[peggygee]

let's face it the people who are criticizing those of us that don't want to be seen in the photographs are those of you who don't work in the mainstream. don't try to tell me that you do. i'm talking working with Fortune 500 companies not some piddly club or social services.



FYI, the vast majority of Fortune 500 companies have policies protecting
gender identity, and sexual orientation. There are many transwomen
working in mainstream America, maybe you don't know many, thus
perhaps you might want to look at other aspects of the transcommunity
than just that ones that you have been creeping around.

[hwbs]

:popcorn :popcorn :popcorn ...this is a good look if u don't want your photo on here :anon

[peggygee]

:popcorn :popcorn :popcorn ...this is a good look if u don't want your photo on here :anon

This is better, and guys make sure you
wear gloves on your hands and on the
little head, wouldn't want to leave any
fingerprints or DNA.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/witness.jpg

:roll:

[slinky]

BTW: I think party promoters way underestimate the loss of business due to the photography. An awful lot of guys don't go to parties because they won't even take a chance of going to someplace where they will get photographed. But do you know who will go? "Tranny chasers". That's right, with all the complaints from girls about the chasers, the events get done in a way which makes it the most likely that only "Tranny chasers" will show up, because non-tranny chasers wouldn't get caught on camera. So next time a girl wonders why there are no "regular guys" and only


"Regular guys"?????
"loss of business"???
there are parties where I can't even turn arond, cause its so crowded.Allanah"s parties are Packed!
What...you want to invite a bunch a straight, non tg interested people to stand around and..........what?? talk about the weather. Discuss global politics.
WE are there because WE love the TG form.
WE love the feminine form and shape with the special addition of the cock and balls.
WE love and lust for the girl with a sweet feminine face, soft touchable breast, a nice female figure, and a magnificent bulge between her legs.
IF we wanted plain vinnilla pussy, there are 1000 other, cheaper, less crowded, more private places to go to and try to pick up an ordinary everyday female
But....
WE want the "transgendered" woman
WE are there for the girl with red lips, the tight dress, the long shaply legs, the round ass, the sweet perfume, the erect nipples gently pushing through a silky dress,......and between her legs is that special of erect manhood that makes her soooooo special, so treasured,so wanted ,
by us group of special men, the tranny chasers.

Want to ban the cameras, go ahead.
Want to "protect" people's privacy, ok, so do it.
But that ain't gonna attract "straight " people to come and spend hard earned cash to look and "funny" women!
The only guys who come to this party are those with LOVE in their hearts for the Girls on the stage!

You are clueless and self centered.

[peggygee]

Gentlemen, I'm petty much done on this note.

I can understand that you don't have the courage of
your convictions. That you don't have the testicular or
intestinal fortitude to be the person that you desire. That
you aren't able to lead truthful lives like the women on
this forum, at the parties that you will not be photographed
with, or in society.

I know that you are afraid that society will discriminate
against you, persecute you, perhaps do you bodily harm
like you have seen them do to transwomen.

I know that you are afraid that your families may disown
you, I know you are afraid that you feel the people that
you think are your friends will abandon you.

Bottom line, I know that you are afraid, I once was afraid
like you. Thus with your fears I can empathize, your fears
I can accept.

But do not lie to these women, do not lie to yourselves, and
say that you see these women just like you see any other
women.

You are insulting our intelligence, and seriously straining
whatever credibility you might have.

I can understand, and accept your being afraid, but I
can not accept being lied to.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/liars.jpg

[slinky]

I think many people have crossed the line judging individuals that do not want their faces plastered on HA. For the record the people I've received IM's or calls from aren't even HA members, they catch wind of their faces on here FROM HA members; with that said I can understand them wanting their faces removed.

No offense but what truly bothers me about some of the responses to this thread is the assumed normality of folks attending a transsexual party. Let's face it, it's not considered normal in this fucked up society we live in. Let's not mistake this bubble of a world we reside in a few hours a day called Hung Angels for the real world we truly live in, where folks get fired, abandoned, forced into retirement, divorced, and/or denied parental visits for the most idiotic things.

Let's not assume that folks that have something to hide are ALWAYS married, or in heterosexual relationships ONLY forgetting the time & effort they might have put into a career, and let's not jump to the conclusion to say they can't play just like anyone else could if they choose to; that would not be fair.

I decided to post my picture and a link to my myspace page on HA for a very good reason. I have nothing to hide. Am i worried about my career, friends, family? No. Life's too short to spend in hiding, in shame, in fear, in worry of what others might think of me. In the end, I'm wiling to sacrifice anything but myself and who I am. Although, i can totally understand one of the exceptions you posted. When it comes to a child's welfare, I would put that above myself any day.

Change doesn't begin with others, it begins with ourselves. And the trans community needs people to change, needs the support of the men in this community. I guess that's my point.

And that was your choice, not one made for you by someone else doing it to you. If you can't see the difference, then there's no discussion.

[slinky]

You can talk about how great the parties are (and in general, they are),and how packed they are, etc., but in general it's just not true: they are much more underattended than overattended. The majority of them could use more male attendees. And the shit that's being espoused in this thread is one of the reasons GG escorts make so much more than TG escorts, and GG/hetero underground clubs bring in so much more $$$$$ than the TS parties.

Guys don't want to be photographed at those parties, either, and for the same qualitative reasons.


And please don't take this as me dissing the parties or the promoters. I have much respect for them, and have had long hours of conversations with a lot of them about what works and what doesn't, given my advice, taken some, and I think been extremely positive in trying to get more people to attend whenever I've been able to.

[mbf]

[b]Gentlemen, I'm petty much done on this note.

I can understand that you don't have the courage of
your convictions. That you don't have the testicular or
intestinal fortitude to be the person that you desire. That
you aren't able to lead truthful lives like the women on
this forum, at the parties that you will not be photographed
with, or in society.

I know that you are afraid that society will discriminate
against you, persecute you, perhaps do you bodily harm
like you have seen them do to transwomen.

I know that you are afraid that your families may disown
you, I know you are afraid that you feel the people that
you think are your friends will abandon you.

Bottom line, I know that you are afraid, I once was afraid
like you. Thus with your fears I can empathize, your fears
I can accept.

But do not lie to these women, do not lie to yourselves, and
say that you see these women just like you see any other
women.

You are insulting our intelligence, and seriously straining
whatever credibility you might have.

I can understand, and accept your being afraid, but I
can not accept being lied to.



I just get the feeling that this is exactly what you wanted. deep inside you mistrust guys beeing into trans, be it pre or post op, because of her "penis history".

quite sad actually...

[TJ347]

Just so we're clear on what a "chaser" is...

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=24659&highlight=


That said, some people have legitimate reasons for not wanting to have their pictures taken at these events, others not so much. To call bullshit on all excuses is therefore unfair, even though the majority of excuses people have may very well be a crock.

[whatsupwithat]

yes it's true that i want to be "discreet" about my "down low" activities. that's true whether i am a at strip club or socializing with this subset of culture that traditionally has been pushed to the darkest corners of NYC.

That's a bogus analogy.


let's face it the people who are criticizing those of us that don't want to be seen in the photographs are those of you who don't work in the mainstream. don't try to tell me that you do. i'm talking working with Fortune 500 companies not some piddly club or social services.

Not true. I am very mainstream in my life. Just so happens I am very open about who I am to everyone including business partners.


i would think that those of you who have come to live your life out in the open have gone through some struggle to do so and could empathize with those who choose not to.


true.


i'all are being so silly you're not so noble because you would allow your photos to be shown. you have your share of dirtly laundry too. we all do.


not being noble. being open.

[whatsupwithat]

I think many people have crossed the line judging individuals that do not want their faces plastered on HA. For the record the people I've received IM's or calls from aren't even HA members, they catch wind of their faces on here FROM HA members; with that said I can understand them wanting their faces removed.

No offense but what truly bothers me about some of the responses to this thread is the assumed normality of folks attending a transsexual party. Let's face it, it's not considered normal in this fucked up society we live in. Let's not mistake this bubble of a world we reside in a few hours a day called Hung Angels for the real world we truly live in, where folks get fired, abandoned, forced into retirement, divorced, and/or denied parental visits for the most idiotic things.

Let's not assume that folks that have something to hide are ALWAYS married, or in heterosexual relationships ONLY forgetting the time & effort they might have put into a career, and let's not jump to the conclusion to say they can't play just like anyone else could if they choose to; that would not be fair.

I decided to post my picture and a link to my myspace page on HA for a very good reason. I have nothing to hide. Am i worried about my career, friends, family? No. Life's too short to spend in hiding, in shame, in fear, in worry of what others might think of me. In the end, I'm wiling to sacrifice anything but myself and who I am. Although, i can totally understand one of the exceptions you posted. When it comes to a child's welfare, I would put that above myself any day.

Change doesn't begin with others, it begins with ourselves. And the trans community needs people to change, needs the support of the men in this community. I guess that's my point.

And that was your choice, not one made for you by someone else doing it to you. If you can't see the difference, then there's no discussion.

I totally understand it's my choice. I wish more would choose it. It would go along way in making the trans communtiy accepted into society.

[slinky]

Feeling a little Michelangelo Signorile?

[TJ347]

I totally understand it's my choice. I wish more would choose it. It would go along way in making the trans communtiy accepted into society.

I'm sure most people who work in the cause of social justice wish more people would choose their path, but if one's own convictions don't lead them to that, nothing anyone says will put them on that path.

I understand fully what you're saying E, but I don't know that what you're advocating, with respect to these parties, would do anything to help. I mean, if people at a sexually oriented, transgendered themed party allow themselves to be photographed, it'll help integrate transsexuals into the mainstream? I think not.

Of course, I know that you're talking about people being more public overall with their interest in transsexuals, but people in positions of power and so forth still largely keep the fact that they're gay a secret, so I don't expect people interested in transsexuals are going to collectively decide to go public anytime soon, unfortunately. Despite the technology around us, the truth is that we still live in a largely unenlightened time. I mean, there was a time when a 15 horsepower engine was state-of-the-art, and it wasn't so very long ago in the grand scheme of things...

[whatsupwithat]

Feeling a little Michelangelo Signorile?

You don't know how much I needed that laugh. Thank you.

[slinky]

YW ;).

[Felicia Katt]

I decided to post my picture and a link to my myspace page on HA for a very good reason. I have nothing to hide. Am i worried about my career, friends, family? No. Life's too short to spend in hiding, in shame, in fear, in worry of what others might think of me. In the end, I'm wiling to sacrifice anything but myself and who I am. Although, i can totally understand one of the exceptions you posted. When it comes to a child's welfare, I would put that above myself any day.

Change doesn't begin with others, it begins with ourselves. And the trans community needs people to change, needs the support of the men in this community. I guess that's my point.
:claps :claps :claps :claps :claps

[alphanumeric]

There is a book out there. It is a good book. A Science Fiction Book. It is written By a man called Eric Flint. It is called 1632.

In this Book a midwestern town is thrown back in time to the year 1632. One of the characters after rescuing a german pesant girl proposes marrage to her the town Fathers (and Mothers) Decrie it as beneath this young man to marry this Poor, downtrodden german girl.

Now another character who is also from the year 1632 and is about to marry the new town leader has this to say on the subject....

"She turned her gaze to the other people sitting at the table. "You have a choice here." She took a little breath, and closed a final gap. "We have a choice here. We can take one of two roads. Jeff's road—as 'foolish' and 'impetuous' as it may be—or a different road. Jeff's road leads to a country very much like the one I believe you once had." Sadly: "Like the dream my people once called Sepharad. The other—"

Her voice grew harsh and cold. That tone, coming from soft Rebecca, was quite shocking. "The other leads to a military aristocracy. A land of hidalgos and inquisitors. So-called 'pure-blood' Americans—limpieza—ruling over a horde of German peons."

She gestured with her head toward the window. "What are those people out there going to be for us? Those dirty, diseased, desperate people out there in the camps and the woods. Are they going to be fellow citizens, neighbors, friends—wives and husbands? Or are they going to be serfs, servants, lackeys—concubines? That is the choice."

Quentin's eyes were still wide. Mike shook his head. "The point, Quentin, is not what this or that individual decides to do, but what stance we take toward whatever decision somebody does make. People can think or say or do whatever they want. That's not the same thing as what a society sanctions." He pointed at Jeff. "For the first time, an American young man is going to be marrying a German young woman. So what's it gonna be, 'Fathers of the Nation'? Is it going to be sanctioned, or not? Are you going to handle it publicly the way you'd handle any other wedding, regardless of your personal reservations? Or are you going to tell the world what an idiot he is and how the German girl's a worthless gold digger? Scum—not good enough for American blood?"

All the humor faded from his eyes. "What's it going to be?"

Now if your still with me here, my point is this, are we as admirers or whathaveyou going to stand up and say these People are as worthy of respect as any of us, or are we just going to keep treating them as some dirty little secret. I know what my choice is, sadly I don't know what yours is...

[whatsupwithat]

There is a book out there. It is a good book. A Science Fiction Book. It is written By a man called Eric Flint. It is called 1632.

In this Book a midwestern town is thrown back in time to the year 1632. One of the characters after rescuing a german pesant girl proposes marrage to her the town Fathers (and Mothers) Decrie it as beneath this young man to marry this Poor, downtrodden german girl.

Now another character who is also from the year 1632 and is about to marry the new town leader has this to say on the subject....

"She turned her gaze to the other people sitting at the table. "You have a choice here." She took a little breath, and closed a final gap. "We have a choice here. We can take one of two roads. Jeff's road—as 'foolish' and 'impetuous' as it may be—or a different road. Jeff's road leads to a country very much like the one I believe you once had." Sadly: "Like the dream my people once called Sepharad. The other—"

Her voice grew harsh and cold. That tone, coming from soft Rebecca, was quite shocking. "The other leads to a military aristocracy. A land of hidalgos and inquisitors. So-called 'pure-blood' Americans—limpieza—ruling over a horde of German peons."

She gestured with her head toward the window. "What are those people out there going to be for us? Those dirty, diseased, desperate people out there in the camps and the woods. Are they going to be fellow citizens, neighbors, friends—wives and husbands? Or are they going to be serfs, servants, lackeys—concubines? That is the choice."

Quentin's eyes were still wide. Mike shook his head. "The point, Quentin, is not what this or that individual decides to do, but what stance we take toward whatever decision somebody does make. People can think or say or do whatever they want. That's not the same thing as what a society sanctions." He pointed at Jeff. "For the first time, an American young man is going to be marrying a German young woman. So what's it gonna be, 'Fathers of the Nation'? Is it going to be sanctioned, or not? Are you going to handle it publicly the way you'd handle any other wedding, regardless of your personal reservations? Or are you going to tell the world what an idiot he is and how the German girl's a worthless gold digger? Scum—not good enough for American blood?"

All the humor faded from his eyes. "What's it going to be?"

Now if your still with me here, my point is this, are we as admirers or whathaveyou going to stand up and say these People are as worthy of respect as any of us, or are we just going to keep treating them as some dirty little secret. I know what my choice is, sadly I don't know what yours is...

That was a beautiful way to illustrate the point. I'm with you. :)

[tsntx]

I decided to post my picture and a link to my myspace page on HA for a very good reason. I have nothing to hide. Am i worried about my career, friends, family? No. Life's too short to spend in hiding, in shame, in fear, in worry of what others might think of me. In the end, I'm wiling to sacrifice anything but myself and who I am. Although, i can totally understand one of the exceptions you posted. When it comes to a child's welfare, I would put that above myself any day.

Change doesn't begin with others, it begins with ourselves. And the trans community needs people to change, needs the support of the men in this community. I guess that's my point.


very awesome... if only more guys where like you

[whatsupwithat]

very awesome... if only more guys where like you

i think there are a lot of guys like me. a few of them in this very thread. :)

[AllanahStarrNYC]

I think this all comes down to shame- being afraid of who you are- and running from the truth-plain and simple : fear.

Most guys want to see pictures from the parties- but thy are afraid to be in one. It's really a double edge sword. No one is intentionally trying to cause anyone harm

I am lucky to have someone that loves me, and is not ashamed of me, and is OK to be with me everywhere and anywhere. Not that we have issues or problems wherever ,anywhere we go. We go to a ts party once or twice a week and the rest of the time we just do normal things-shopping, restaurants, errands, travel- we certainly do not live our lives in a ts bubble.

And that it is sad to say that I am indeed lucky- knowing that most men on here would be ashamed to do such things.

This is why is I can no longer deal with people who want to be babied into coming out into the scene or the parties- I simply do not have the patience for it. I just don't have time for issues or to be play anyone's psychologist. I see it like this- i'ts a freaking party, not open heart surgery.

I have always respected the privacy and discredtion of people at my events. Cameras are allowed because I think they are part of the experience for some people. If most people take cameras to clubs, public places and want to have a memory of it, then why not at my parties?

I seriously doubt ANY patron has ever had a problem for accidentally appearing in a photo at one of my parties. Again, the focus is never the guys.

I think the pictures are what have made the parties succesful in many ways.

If I am your friend and you can't be in a picture with me, or are afraid to be in a picture with me- then we are not really friends.

I respect everyone's boundaries and their privacy but I won't change for anyone.

[PatrickFromNYC]

The guys who are paranoid about being photographed are the SAME guys who would fuck a TS girl 5 times in a month and then act like they didn't know them if they ran into the same TS when they are with their "football" buddies.

If you want to keep your attraction for TS a secret for personal or professional reasons I can understand that. But at the same time if you also want the respect of the TS girls while taking the above stance then you live in never-never land.

[whatsupwithat]

I think this all comes down to shame- being afraid of who you are- and running from the truth-plain and simple : fear.

Most guys want to see pictures from the parties- but thy are afraid to be in one. It's really a double edge sword. No one is intentionally trying to cause anyone harm

I am lucky to have someone that loves me, and is not ashamed of me, and is OK to be with me everywhere and anywhere. Not that we have issues or problems wherever ,anywhere we go. We go to a ts party once or twice a week and the rest of the time we just do normal things-shopping, restaurants, errands, travel- we certainly do not live our lives in a ts bubble.

And that it is sad to say that I am indeed lucky- knowing that most men on here would be ashamed to do such things.

This is why is I can no longer deal with people who want to be babied into coming out into the scene or the parties- I simply do not have the patience for it. I just don't have time for issues or to be play anyone's psychologist. I see it like this- i'ts a freaking party, not open heart surgery.

I have always respected the privacy and discredtion of people at my events. Cameras are allowed because I think they are part of the experience for some people. If most people take cameras to clubs, public places and want to have a memory of it, then why not at my parties?

I seriously doubt ANY patron has ever had a problem for accidentally appearing in a photo at one of my parties. Again, the focus is never the guys.

I think the pictures are what have made the parties succesful in many ways.

If I am your friend and you can't be in a picture with me, or are afraid to be in a picture with me- then we are not really friends.

I respect everyone's boundaries and their privacy but I won't change for anyone.

We're setting up a roundtable discussion on this and some other issues. Please say you can make it! :)

[slinky]

Some of you are so narrow minded on this because of your own agenda. Let's take as similar case and remove TS's from the picture: these same guys go to some underground lapdance place. These same guys don't want their pics taken by some random assholes who may or may not respect their privacy.

The girls don't think "He doesn't want to have his pic taken with me because I'm black". They also know the guys would fuck them "5 times in a month and then act like they didn't know them if they ran into [them] when they are with their "football" buddies".

I've personally have my pic taken BY SOMEONE WHO I KNOW AND TRUST WITH IT with Allanah and a whole number of the other girls there. BUT AGAIN, there's a HUGE difference between me making the CHOICE of having my pic taken (and by someone whom I know and can make an informed consent to), than same random assholes not clearing the background before snapping off 1,000 shots of garbage a night to go home and jerk off to, and misuse (knowingly, unknowingly, ignorantly, etc.).

And I will reiterate: if parties are going to be set up so that only "true chasers" would show up, the girls should stop whining about the chasers being there (which there is plenty of)

[slinky]

PS Of the guys here who seem to want the pics posted, it seems like 90% will never attend any party (and that's probably being extremely generous -maybe 98%). Of the guys who attend the parties, it seems like 90% really dislike the photographers. I guess it comes down to questions like: "Is this a business event or a vanity party?", or even "what is the purpose of the party?". If it's a photo op, then leave things alone. If it's to make money for the promoter, the venue, and the girls, and for the most amount of guys to have as much fun as possible, I think the current situation is sub-optimal towards that end.

[sucka4chix]

This is some of the most ridiculous crap I've ever read. It was a simple thread REQUESTING a simple courtesy. But their are so many shrinks-in-training that want to psycho-analyze everyone's motives.
Just because YOU are a transsexual and therefore have come to grips with your place in life, it doesn't give you a right to condescend to others. A man who likes transsexuals is not the same AS a transsexual. Quit trying to make your struggle akin to his. His walk is very different. For the most part he's not trying to change who he is or was, and redefine his entire persona. That's YOU. Let him do him.
Get off the soap box. As mentioned, but only by one person, it's not just a Tranny meet and greet, but a tranny meet and greet and contract for sexual services, which, although seen as almost a necessity within the community, it is still an illegal activity that many don't want people to know about. It's not TG specific--- so you girls and sympathizers need to chill. Next straight club I go to that's 90% full of escorts grabbing my crotch, I'll be sure to treat the girls with the same respect. So don't question ANYONE'S motives for not wanting their pictures plastered on the internet if you're gonna compare apples and oranges.

[PatrickFromNYC]

Some of you are so narrow minded on this because of your own agenda. Let's take as similar case and remove TS's from the picture: these same guys go to some underground lapdance place. These same guys don't want their pics taken by some random assholes who may or may not respect their privacy.

The girls don't think "He doesn't want to have his pic taken with me because I'm black". They also know the guys would fuck them "5 times in a month and then act like they didn't know them if they ran into [them] when they are with their "football" buddies".

I've personally have my pic taken BY SOMEONE WHO I KNOW AND TRUST WITH IT with Allanah and a whole number of the other girls there. BUT AGAIN, there's a HUGE difference between me making the CHOICE of having my pic taken (and by someone whom I know and can make an informed consent to), than same random assholes not clearing the background before snapping off 1,000 shots of garbage a night to go home and jerk off to, and misuse (knowingly, unknowingly, ignorantly, etc.).

And I will reiterate: if parties are going to be set up so that only "true chasers" would show up, the girls should stop whining about the chasers being there (which there is plenty of)



Are you really from NYC Danny Partridge??? Probably from the bridge and tunnel land of Queens or Brooklyn I suspect.

Being on camera in NYC has been a way of life in NYC for the past 15 years...Why worry about it if you are comforable in your own shoes??

[BeardedOne]

First excuse: I burned another laptop

Second excuse: I got tired of reading the back-n-forth

Late as usual to the discussion, My two cents (US or Canadian as they are on par today):

I was recently out to dinner with a lovely gurl who may or may not be reading these words. While we were at dinner (At an upscale local venue), I noticed that a number of patrons of the restaurant were staring at us. I don't know if she noticed it or not, but our table was also the focal point of the staff, from our own waitress on up to the manager himself.

The reason wasn't because she was T or that we were 'shady', but that we were just plain stand-out good looking (Which is not a status I enjoy very much in my life).

The only thing I regret about that evening is that I didn't ask one of the staff to take our pic. The next time I meet with this gurl, I will insist on it.

Ordinarily, I don't like having my picture taken. I think I am so ugly that my face could stop a sundial. It's a self-esteem thing, I guess. Yet I would never be ashamed to be in a pic with any of these gurls or be on the "DL" because I was in a club with them.

A few years ago, there were some misguided individuals that thought enough of me to scibble my name in on ballots for governor of my state. Though honored, it's not a job I desire. Since then, I have been sure to be the center of attention in nudie bars and with at least one well-known gurl's "talent" in my mouth so as to put an end to that foolishness.

People suck. They will happily destroy your life as they have none of their own.

If you don't want your picture taken, =DUCK=.

[Ecstatic]

If you don't want your picture taken, =DUCK=.
Good advice!

[NYTSJulie]

I got the solution. Guys if you dont want to been seen in pictures but cameras are allow then why dont you just go in drag. I know at least a few of you guys like to put on women's panties and want to be sissy bitches. You might not look cute, but at least no one will recognize you if your caught in the background of some pic.

Or you get a little crazy and could go with one of these mask....Ronald Regan, Richard Nixon or JFK.

LOL.....cleaver thinking.....kiss kiss

[NYTSJulie]

Or the Nose with glasses and bushy eyebrows is always a simple quickie.

[Ecstatic]

I got the solution. Guys if you dont want to been seen in pictures but cameras are allow then why dont you just go in drag.
I don't know, Julie...I don't think I'd quite pass in drag.....

:twisted:

[mbf]

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I don't know, Julie...I don't think I'd quite pass in drag.....

:twisted:

fire in hell Ecstatic

you kinda look like the alien in "Predator", just with boobs :o :o :o

[tonkatoy]

Nice bod ecstatic.

[Chuck]

A nightclub / venue, where you pay a cover charge and can be denied admission at the discretion of club security DOES NOT fit the definition of a public space. It is not the street. It is not a train station or airport. That is why many clubs have the right to prevent patrons from bringing cameras or taking pictures inside their venue. Not too many strip joints / gentleman's clubs let you bring cameras so I don't see what is so wrong with better controlling who is authorized to take photos at your events. I am single and am not hiding from a wife and kids, but I do expect and appreciate that a photo of me at a club is not taken without my permission and put on the worldwide web. It has nothing to do with shame, but an expecation of DISCRETION AND CONSENT. I would not feel comfortable in any club -- straight, gay or somewhere in between -- where people felt as if it was OK to take non stop photos all night long.

[Chuck]

I decided to post my picture and a link to my myspace page on HA for a very good reason. I have nothing to hide. Am i worried about my career, friends, family? No. Life's too short to spend in hiding, in shame, in fear, in worry of what others might think of me. In the end, I'm wiling to sacrifice anything but myself and who I am. Although, i can totally understand one of the exceptions you posted. When it comes to a child's welfare, I would put that above myself any day.

Change doesn't begin with others, it begins with ourselves. And the trans community needs people to change, needs the support of the men in this community. I guess that's my point.


very awesome... if only more guys where like you

What's so awsome about that? He clearly doesn't have a job worth protecting. Plus his co-workers at Jiffy Lube don't know how to read let alone log onto the internet.

The truth is only teen-agers and people in the music / entertainment industry should have myspace pages. No adult who cares about his or her professional career (assuming they have one) should have a myspace page.

[TomSelis]

All this from a guy just saying please remember to blur the faces when you post pics.

[whatsupwithat]

I decided to post my picture and a link to my myspace page on HA for a very good reason. I have nothing to hide. Am i worried about my career, friends, family? No. Life's too short to spend in hiding, in shame, in fear, in worry of what others might think of me. In the end, I'm wiling to sacrifice anything but myself and who I am. Although, i can totally understand one of the exceptions you posted. When it comes to a child's welfare, I would put that above myself any day.

Change doesn't begin with others, it begins with ourselves. And the trans community needs people to change, needs the support of the men in this community. I guess that's my point.


very awesome... if only more guys where like you

What's so awsome about that? He clearly doesn't have a job worth protecting. Plus his co-workers at Jiffy Lube don't know how to read let alone log onto the internet.

The truth is only teen-agers and people in the music / entertainment industry should have myspace pages. No adult who cares about his or her professional career (assuming they have one) should have a myspace page.

oooooh. haha!

On another note, I've read some of your other posts and you seemed like a nice guy who was very similar to myself. Interesting how we can misjudge people, no?

[whatsupwithat]

if parties are going to be set up so that only "true chasers" would show up, the girls should stop whining about the chasers being there (which there is plenty of)

Dude, are you implying that guys that don't have a problem getting their picture taken in the company of transssexuals are chasers?

[Felicia Katt]

What's so awsome about that? He clearly doesn't have a job worth protecting. Plus his co-workers at Jiffy Lube don't know how to read let alone log onto the internet.

The truth is only teen-agers and people in the music / entertainment industry should have myspace pages. No adult who cares about his or her professional career (assuming they have one) should have a myspace page.

I found your page. Is the 11 bucks an hour at the Nerd Herd better than base pay at Jiffy Lube? LOL

http://nbcchuck.wordpress.com/

meow

FK

[whatsupwithat]

What's so awsome about that? He clearly doesn't have a job worth protecting. Plus his co-workers at Jiffy Lube don't know how to read let alone log onto the internet.

The truth is only teen-agers and people in the music / entertainment industry should have myspace pages. No adult who cares about his or her professional career (assuming they have one) should have a myspace page.

I found your page. Is the 11 bucks an hour at the Nerd Herd better than base pay at Jiffy Lube? LOL

http://nbcchuck.wordpress.com/

meow

FK

Jiffy so has it over Nerd Herd. ;)

[slinky]

Are you really from NYC Danny Partridge??? Probably from the bridge and tunnel land of Queens or Brooklyn I suspect.

Being on camera in NYC has been a way of life in NYC for the past 15 years...Why worry about it if you are comforable in your own shoes??

Are you really as stupid as you seem?


I walk to and from the parties.


I've probably lived here since before you were sperm, junior. You don't know shit about me, and apparently anything else, either.

[slinky]

Dude, are you implying that guys that don't have a problem getting their picture taken in the company of transssexuals are chasers?


Considering no one can agree on what a definition of chaser is, it's tough. But what I can say is that for the girls who complain about chasers, and seem to have a very broad range of what a chaser is, it certainly seems to. But don't use that label if you don't like it: pick any term. My point is that from where I sit, a lot of the same people complaining about a certain type of guy are also in favor of behaviour which would lead to guys other than that type not showing up, and therefore only laving that type in attendance.

But more than that, as I've already stated, it's not guys willing to have their photos taken with transsexuals, it's guys who don't want to UNWILLINGLY have their photos taken with ANYONE. You seem to be trying so hard to avoid this point that I have to think you have NO valid argument against it.

[slinky]

very awesome... if only more guys where like you

I agree it is. But again, it's awesome that HE chooses to live that way. What would be even more awesome if everyone respected the way everyone else chose to live their lives, instead of thinking that the only correct way was the same as they chose for themselves. It's always so odd to see that in minority communities, intolerance for the way anyone else wants to live their life is just as bad as the mainstream.

[sucka4chix]

very awesome... if only more guys where like you

I agree it is. But again, it's awesome that HE chooses to live that way. What would be even more awesome if everyone respected the way everyone else chose to live their lives, instead of thinking that the only correct way was the same as they chose for themselves. It's always so odd to see that in minority communities, intolerance for the way anyone else wants to live their life is just as bad as the mainstream.
co-sign

[hwbs]

i don't expect people to act and live like myself in this scene...most guys (not all) just go out for some fun and that is where it ends...i feel it is wrong to try to hold others to your own standards..its hard to do such when you get every girl trying to drag u to some motel or the girls who have a contest to see who can get the most drinks bought for them...if a girl shows a genuine interest then that is a different story (to buy a drink)...who can pass judgment when the girls don't act like ladies and the guys act like they are being sent out to the military with one night left to party..so who is really wrong and who is right?

if u have the answer please share...i am curious :twisted:


ps ...not knocking anything ..i always seem to have a good time...just throwing around some points.

[BeardedOne]

I'm still trying to catch up on this thread (Damned XP update murdered my laptop while I was on the road), so if any of this was already covered, my bad.


Any venue that charges a cover is considered private. People DO have a reasonable expectation of privacy whenever they pay to enter.

Subject to interpretation and varying values of "reasonable".

I was thrown out of Canada once (Actually, I was thrown out three times, but as all three incidents were on the same day, it only really counts as once). It was pretty much a pissing contest between myself and a Canadian immigration agent that had already determined that he didn't like me and didn't want me to ever darken the borders of his homeland within his lifetime.

Amid the list of goofy shit he came up with to prevent my crossing the border was one argument about a work permit, as I was headed up to Toronto to attend a book show where I had a vendor's table and was hoping to do some business (Something I did many times before and many times since this particular scenario).

The law, from Canadian Immigration in Ottawa, allowed for people to enter the country for commercial purposes and waived a requirement for a work permit based on the following test: That they would be in the country no more than thirty days and that they not be selling to the general public. This allows for people such as sales staff or manufacturers' reps attending trade shows where the attendence is typically either paid or limited to the paid membership of a particular industry or organization.

By this test I was qualified to entter the country and sell my wares without a work permit as I was rarely above the border for more than a week and the only people I traded with were paid members of the show/conference.

However, the hoser at the gate had another take on this: "Can I attend this conference?" he asked, to which I (Ever the salesman) said "Of course! There are a number of program tracks that you might find interesting as well as some author guests that will be speaking there".

He then translated this into: Any member of the general public that is willing to pay the admission fee could attend this conference and purchase items from me in the vendor's area. Therefore: I was selling to the general public in violation of the work permit exemption in the immigration laws.

*BOOT* Back to the States wi'ya! :x

So:

Paying a cover fee at a club does not make the club or event 'private', per se, as any Joe Lunchbox could come along, plunk down a twenny, and lay his eyeballs on some firm tranny ass. Therefore, there is little or no expectation of privacy extended nor should it be expected.

As said a number of times in this thread and others, in this day and age of digicams, handicams, cellcams, etc., "Expectation of privacy" is a throwaway phrase that the liars...*Kaff*...lawyers bandy about in an effort to boost their billable hours on the road to partnership.

There really is no privacy anymore. People just prefer to live in the fantasy that it still exists in some little dreamworld of theirs. My answer to this new reality is to scratch my balls whenever, and especially WHEREever I need to.

[BeardedOne]

I decided to post my picture and a link to my myspace page on HA for a very good reason. I have nothing to hide. Am i worried about my career, friends, family? No. Life's too short to spend in hiding, in shame, in fear, in worry of what others might think of me. In the end, I'm wiling to sacrifice anything but myself and who I am. Although, i can totally understand one of the exceptions you posted. When it comes to a child's welfare, I would put that above myself any day.

Aretha Elizabeth Bright

That is the name of the daughter of Susie "Sexpert" Bright. Author, editor, activist. Susie was once declared "The World's Most Commercial Lesbian" by Playboy magazine and climbed to fame as an editor and essayist of On Our Backs: Entertainment For The Adventurous Lesbian. In her last years at OOB, Susie topped one of her essays with a photo of her, naked (Save for cowboy boots and a Stetson) standing alongside a Bay Area highway, showing off her baby-bulge of eight months.

Aretha is (If memory and math serves me well) in her late teens/early twenties now and her mother still edits/authors/irritates and I have no doubt that she is a very well-adjusted child. I've seen it in other variant family relationships. You are more likely to have a 'normal' child/family if you don't play the silly-ass games that so many believe are 'protecting' their children.

If you have no shame in what you do or who you relate to/with, you are far less harm to your children than an inadequate education system.

[BeardedOne]

OK, y'all have my panties in a bunch now, and I'm serial posting! :shock:


its so much more than hanging out with transexuals as well. let's face it we are hanging out with PROSTITUTES. show me someone who broadcasts their night to the world when they spent it with prostitutes.

Uh...<Waving hand>...That would be me. :oops:

Ten years ago I thought I'd found it all. Smart girl (3G), loved cats, had small hands (Clench your cheeks, gents, I like to be fisted), open-minded, etc. Then, as with many of the GGs I've been with, she went totally psycho and ditched me like a sack of unwanted kittens. Another 3G lover (Note to those that don't know my term: 3G = Gay GG) pointed out that this particular lover was a babydyke on the cusp and when they turn, they turn against all things male. Bad timing on my part. :x

I haven't trusted anyone enough to be in a relationships since. Oh, yah, I've polished the pole with GGs, TGs, TSs, males, females, and an IS since then, but never trusted any of them for anything beyond an evening of stress-release. As I am not attuned to one-nighters, this doesn't work very well for me. :cry:

So, when I tell the folx at work or TW ("The Wife", a title, not a relationship...For the moment) that I had a 'date' the other nite, it doesn't take long before I have to clarify that it was commercial in nature (Though some know me well enough not to have to ask).

If they have a problem with the fact that my 'date' was with a gurl who is a 'professional companion', then tough titty, city kitty, I don't give a flying fart in space what they think, so long as I was happy for a few brief hours and, I would hope, gave some nice memories to the gurl I was with.

[BeardedOne]

I am very mainstream in my life. Just so happens I am very open about who I am to everyone including business partners.

My partners are very accepting of my lifestyle and know the whole story.

'Course, they may just be accepting of me and my interests because I am pulling down some serious bux for them with TS porn.

:shrug

[BeardedOne]

I mean, if people at a sexually oriented, transgendered themed party allow themselves to be photographed, it'll help integrate transsexuals into the mainstream? I think not.

It's not like Ed Rendell (Former Mayor of Philadelphia, now Pennsylvania's Governor and Presidential hopeful) would be caught dead at a gay or T-gulr party.

Oh, wait!

He was! :lol:

[BeardedOne]

Now if your still with me here, my point is this, are we as admirers or whathaveyou going to stand up and say these People are as worthy of respect as any of us, or are we just going to keep treating them as some dirty little secret. I know what my choice is, sadly I don't know what yours is...

It all comes back to the 'chaser' identity. That we, as men admiring T-gurls, desire them only for their dicks and why can't we just admit that we are gay and leave them the fuck alone.

The question, truly, haunts me. Yet, I have found myself face-deep in T-clit and heard the gurl reassure me that I was =NOT= a 'chaser'.

:shrug

[BeardedOne]

i think there are a lot of guys like me. a few of them in this very thread.

Where?!? :shock:

No, really, tell meeeeee! :shock:

[BeardedOne]

OK...Enough of this shit. Will someone =PLEASE= post something to break up my latest string of rants?!?



That said:



If I am your friend and you can't be in a picture with me, or are afraid to be in a picture with me- then we are not really friends.

That's pretty clear.

[TJ347]

a lot of the same people complaining about a certain type of guy are also in favor of behaviour which would lead to guys other than that type not showing up

Undoubtedly the most important part of that entire post.

Mind you, it's not the cameras that keep me away, but the fact that some people who I know personally that attend these parties aren't the type of people you'd hang around if you had a choice in the matter. No, these scumbags just by being present in the same place as you mark you as a degenerate as well, even if only to the handful of girls there who aren't solely there looking to pick up business. Add to that the "rip-off" girls quick to try scamming a tipsy gentleman who so much as smiles at them (to say nothing of those who don't even need that much of an invitation), the guys you find standing along the edges of the room staring unblinkingly at the girls, looking every bit the part a serial killer and acting socially maladjusted in a number of other respects besides (who can make up a good number of the men in attendance), and what you have is an atmosphere that imparts a general feeling of unease that quite often I'm sure makes a first time attendee reluctant to go to any more parties, regardless who is hosting them. I know that's what happened to me, and I'm sure that I can't be the only one it's happened to. Of course, I know all parties aren't like that, but I'm not willing to take the trip to NYC on the hope the one I'm going to isn't. If I lived in NYC, that'd be another matter, but I don't so...

To those who enjoy, enjoy.

[BeardedOne]

I don't know, Julie...I don't think I'd quite pass in drag.....

Jeez, E! :shock: That is just so wrong, on so many levels! :lol:


Nice bod ecstatic.

Yah, Tonka, you are a sick individual also....And I say that in the nicest way. :lol: 0

[BeardedOne]

Mind you, it's not the cameras that keep me away, but the fact that some people who I know personally that attend these parties aren't the type of people you'd hang around if you had a choice in the matter.

Yah, that would be me, also. :?

I'm a serious pain in the ass at the bar. :lol:

[whatislove]

Are you really from NYC Danny Partridge??? Probably from the bridge and tunnel land of Queens or Brooklyn I suspect.

Being on camera in NYC has been a way of life in NYC for the past 15 years...Why worry about it if you are comforable in your own shoes??

Rumor has it that NYC is made of 5 boroughs... Dunno, sounds crazy enough to be true.

[tsntx]

and I am glad I do because discretion should be kept.

[/b]

I normally agree with you. But "discretion"? Why does "discretion" have to be kept? Because these are transsexuals and, god forbid, someone might see these guys at transsexual party? Or because so many of the guys are in the closet, married, with girlfriends, etc? Or are the men afraid they will lose clients, friends, business? And what, as Allanah said, does that say about our society?

The men need to grow a pair and stop the shame. It kills, literally.

co-sign... im coming to nyc soon to shoot an episode of my new show... drop the hooker and give me a call i'd like to have dinner e, you know the number . -j

[Ecstatic]

I don't know, Julie...I don't think I'd quite pass in drag.....

Jeez, E! :shock: That is just so wrong, on so many levels! :lol:
Innit, though? :roll:

Whew, seven posts in a row, B1. I think only Kelly could possibly match that bit of serial posting.

[onthefence]

If I may add something that has nothing to do with ones self awareness, honesty, societal norms, prostitution or, the unpleasant head butting over who is and is not a "chaser":

I have been to several of the parties and if you do not want to be photographed you can look away or walk away. The girls pose...trust me, they really 1…2…3…. pose for the pictures and its not a problem to get out of the way.

[whatsupwithat]

If I may add something that has nothing to do with ones self awareness, honesty, societal norms, prostitution or, the unpleasant head butting over who is and is not a "chaser":

I have been to several of the parties and if you do not want to be photographed you can look away or walk away. The girls pose...trust me, they really 1…2…3…. pose for the pictures and its not a problem to get out of the way.

let the truth be spoken!

[whatsupwithat]

and in summation of this thread and many of the others i've been involved with over the past few days, let me say blah, blah...blah, blah, blah, blah...blahblahblahblahblah. thank you. have a good night. blah!

[Castor_Troy05]

I couldn't be bothered reading through the whole thread, but I get the general idea. I can understand some people may not want their pics to be seen, but u gotta remember that the pics may be posted here, if any of ur friends of coworkers find u here, then it means u have a common interest. Thats why I don't really care about having my pic here. If I could make it to the parties i'd be more than happy to have my face shown in pics with Allanah, Gia, or any other of the girls there, as it'd look good for me to be seen with such attractive women :p

[slinky]

OK, y'all have my panties in a bunch now, and I'm serial posting! :shock:


its so much more than hanging out with transexuals as well. let's face it we are hanging out with PROSTITUTES. show me someone who broadcasts their night to the world when they spent it with prostitutes.

Uh...<Waving hand>...That would be me. :oops:

Ten years ago I thought I'd found it all. Smart girl (3G), loved cats, had small hands (Clench your cheeks, gents, I like to be fisted), open-minded, etc. Then, as with many of the GGs I've been with, she went totally psycho and ditched me like a sack of unwanted kittens. Another 3G lover (Note to those that don't know my term: 3G = Gay GG) pointed out that this particular lover was a babydyke on the cusp and when they turn, they turn against all things male. Bad timing on my part. :x

I haven't trusted anyone enough to be in a relationships since. Oh, yah, I've polished the pole with GGs, TGs, TSs, males, females, and an IS since then, but never trusted any of them for anything beyond an evening of stress-release. As I am not attuned to one-nighters, this doesn't work very well for me. :cry:

So, when I tell the folx at work or TW ("The Wife", a title, not a relationship...For the moment) that I had a 'date' the other nite, it doesn't take long before I have to clarify that it was commercial in nature (Though some know me well enough not to have to ask).

If they have a problem with the fact that my 'date' was with a gurl who is a 'professional companion', then tough titty, city kitty, I don't give a flying fart in space what they think, so long as I was happy for a few brief hours and, I would hope, gave some nice memories to the gurl I was with.

This hit so close to home it made me cry.

[NYTSJulie]

Or the Nose with glasses and bushy eyebrows is always a simple quickie.

I mean shit, some bitch could make a killing selling these at the door.........LOL..........Kiss Kiss

[mbf]

Or you get a little crazy and could go with one of these mask....Ronald Regan, Richard Nixon or JFK.


these are exactly the same masks Patrick Swayze and his gang of criminal surfers used to wear in Kathryn Bigelows "Pont Break"

on another sidenote: NYTSJulie, do you find Graucho Marx at least a little bit erotic?

[BeardedOne]

This hit so close to home it made me cry.

Yah, my life is so touching. :roll:

Thanx, Danny, I know it was well meant.

[BeardedOne]

Thread necromancy! You know I'm into it! :lol:

I was bored and re-reading some PMs (Thank you , to those what sent them) regarding this thread and just had to put my foot in it once again.


He clearly doesn't have a job worth protecting.

Jeez-us, dude! Are you listening to yourself? True, many of us work in jobs that suck big donkey dicks badly, but do you seriously believe that getting the rent paid, the food on the table, hev'n f'bid, the diapers changed, isn't important to every one of us? Sure, mayhaps you have one of those cushy tech jobs that I write paychecks for to the tune of $75 USD an hour, but your financial security is no less important than that of the burger-flipper or Jiffy Lube guy. Get a fucking grip. :x


Plus his co-workers at Jiffy Lube don't know how to read let alone log onto the internet.

Nooz flash: Stoopid people have computers, too. And they are the most dangerous people on the planet.


The truth is only teen-agers and people in the music / entertainment industry should have myspace pages. No adult who cares about his or her professional career (assuming they have one) should have a myspace page.

While I agree, wholeheartedly, about the who-should-have-a-MySpace-page opinion, it is far from the reality. Business Week, Business 2.0, The Wall Street Journal, Barron's, etc. have had numerous articles on the My Space phenomenon and all shared one opinion on same: Be careful what you post there, as it may very well affect your career. As an extension of that thought: Be careful what =OTHER PEOPLE= post about you on their MySpace pages.


Dude, are you implying that guys that don't have a problem getting their picture taken in the company of transssexuals are chasers?

Damn! That must be me. I'll have to get in better shape for all that running. :lol:


...it's guys who don't want to UNWILLINGLY have their photos taken with ANYONE.

Oh...Wait...=THAT= would be me. Though more for the protection of the other individual in the pic. Christ, how many gurls want to be in a pic with a fucking gargoil? :shock:


Whew, seven posts in a row, B1. I think only Kelly could possibly match that bit of serial posting.

I was in a mood. One of the catz is missing. I'll likely post more. :shock:

[Ecstatic]

Hey, at least you're not guilty of cereal posting like someone we know....


heh

[BeardedOne]

Hey, at least you're not guilty of cereal posting like someone we know....


heh

You're not speaking of the CTC guy, are you? ;)

[Ecstatic]

*whistling....*

[tonkatoy]

Hey!!!!

[BeardedOne]

Hey!!!!

:shock:

[slinky]

Hey, at least you're not guilty of cereal posting like someone we know....


heh


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