Craigslist Crackdown!!!!!

[RubyTS]

There i s a NATIONAL crackdown on sex workers, beginning with craigslist! So if you're selling it, , or buying it using craigslist.org... you DEFINITELY want to read this article!!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/05/nyregion/05craigslist.html?ex=1189742400&e

[BeardedOne]

Caught up on that, dear. And glad to see that you are in tune to it.

[crayons]

How come they're cracking them down? They're not prostitutes, they're escorts (and supposedly theres a difference). They sell their time and not sex and only request roses for their trouble, so I'm a little confused hey the cops think they're hookers. Can someone please explain?

[62des]

^LMFAO!! The sarcasm. Cops definitely weren't born yesturday.

[Mami-Liiciouz]

scandalz. mag isn't playing the the "girls".
thanks for the heads up Ruby ...

[BeardedOne]

Having been shot at by the nation's finest I can tell you that the cops define their work as they see fit.

If they define "Escort" as "Whore/Hooker" that's how they play.

See it as you will, the final decision is on the bench. Good luck Gurls.

[flabbybody]

God forbid LE would go after bad guys who rob and hurt people. criminals have guns and that would be way too dangerous.

I'm glad my taxes are paying cops to fuck with CL, make up phony ads, and harass hookers and their johns. Is that why every cop I see looks like he'd have a coronary if he ran more than 20 yards?

[RubyTS]

God forbid LE would go after bad guys who rob and hurt people. criminals have guns and that would be way too dangerous.

I'm glad my taxes are paying cops to fuck with CL, make up phony ads, and harass hookers and their johns. Is that why every cop I see looks like he'd have a coronary if he ran more than 20 yards?

theyre trying to justify it by sayin that pros. leads to way more ie: tax evasion. even talking about immigration, as if most trannies come in from other countries to prositiute lol. I wanna go to america and become a hooker lol!!!! Drugs, weapons, battery<< and the only people who get battered are people who pay 4 it lol

[flabbybody]

tax evasion? that's funny. the CEO of IBM pays less taxes on his $50 million stock options than you and me both.

thx for the heads up Ruby. be safe

[BeardedOne]

tax evasion? that's funny. the CEO of IBM pays less taxes on his $50 million stock options than you and me both.

thx for the heads up Ruby. be safe

Trust me, they will play this line full out. It's how they landed Al Capone and many others.

Hell, I am now trying to defend myself against an audit that claims that my dealing with the fucking ignorant American public and spitting up blood for breakfast is a "relaxing passtime".

Bahstids. :x

[Ecstatic]

theyre trying to justify it by sayin that pros. leads to way more ie: tax evasion.
Yep, and marijuana leads to heroin addiction. Can't refute that logic.

Speaking of busts, did you hear about the two big pot busts today? One in Massachusetts for about $1 million worth of the green combustible, and one in California worth about $15 million (I heard it took four helicoptors to remove the 7' pot plants from the farm).

So very glad LE is taking on the serious crime. Sheesh.

[62des]

Why just Craiglist? What about Eros? Maybe their secretly onto that one also. Which is another reason for me not to call an escort unless there's tons of reviews by site members. All the fine ones that i like have almost none, atleast I haven't seen any from them.

[Ecstatic]

I think setting up ads on CL is much cheaper and easier than on Eros, which makes it less inviting for LE to pursue, at least as a sting. Which is not to say that they don't have an eye out for escorts advertising on Eros, only that they are much less likely to set up ad traps there.

[62des]

If you ask me, why focus on little shit like this when killers and terrorists are out there. WTF is up with that!

[Ecstatic]

That, Silvester, is an excellent question. It's not legal to pay for sex, but it is legal to pay to see a recording of someone else having sex.

[Ecstatic]

Yep, then you're not paying the woman to have sex, you're paying her to "act" in a movie. ;)

[RubyTS]

actually they're ion to eros too. lots of girls have ggotten arrested off there, and just recently a friend of mine was arrested in miami. Here's the funny part. The room was booked under her name. She wasnt even ther. The ts who was working her room approached the client for a kiss. Thats what i do to try and figure out if they're are cops or not, rather than the typical "get naked!!!" It makes people more comfortable at the same time. Now that i know i cant o that anymore, its gonna m,ake things really akward. Back to the story, the police waited in the room after arresting the 1st girl. They caught my friend too. i think the charge was something like, condoning prostitution or something. crazy. she wasnt even there! and they confiscate EVERYTHING!!! all cash, laptops, phones and so on. Imma have to lighten my load big time lol i carry 2 laptops, external hard drive ipod and speakers lol, digital camera.... LOVE my electronics, but gotta say bye bye 4 now

[Ecstatic]

That's what I was saying, Ruby: it's less likely for LE to set up stings through fake ads on Eros (whereby they entrap the john), but far more likely (depending on the city--Chicago is notorious for this from what I've been told; happened to a friend of mine there a couple of years ago) to bust the escorts advertising in Eros.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

The only thing I'm trying to sell, on Craig'sList, is a car trailer!!!

[sucka4chix]

Yeah, it's easier to catch the girl. Most of the phony ads
are "clockable". Cops need to do more research on the t-girl
game, if they wanna get me. Knock on wood. I know I've been
blessed and fortunate not to get caught, but alot of the ads
just raise red flags, if you know your stuff.

[62des]

CAn somebody tell me how to get to ts escorts on craiglist?

[BrendaQG]

Just when I thought it was safe to get back in the water. Thanks for the heads up.

...uh I mean I would never do that. Not me.

I wonder how many cops read this board?

[SarahG]

Just when I thought it was safe to get back in the water. Thanks for the heads up.

...uh I mean I would never do that. Not me.

I wonder how many cops read this board?

The bigger question is; how many of the cops involved with these stings have used such services off the job?

[BrendaQG]

Too true. If the person is a good actor and act's natural who can say if they are a cop? Back in more racist days certain sterotypes about cops were kind of accurate...these days a cop could be anyone.

[evilash]

CAn somebody tell me how to get to ts escorts on craiglist?Yeahyah, You jus say " bitch you gone done gonna be on craiglist and make me some money yo" Then the bitch say okay.

[Shining Star]

LE busts off Eros and Exotics all the time, especially if neighors have complained and or the address is known by LE.

From reading various other news reports on this story, LE is going after CL because it has become so widespread and visable that it is like shooting fish in a barrel; for catching both johns and workers. LE is also (according to news reports) monitoring escort review sites to see what is being said and also because they have gotten wise to the fact reviewed workers are considered "safe" and not LE.

LE isn't going to bother placing adverts on Eros or Exotics, costs too much and Eros at least demands too much information to make LE "invisable". Whereas anyone can set up and ad on CL.

I've posted this many, many times, LE knows pretty much every way workers advertise and who is on their patch. It all comes down to how much time, effort and money they want to spend on busting your behind! *LOL*

As for touching/kissing to make sure someone is not LE, you pretty much have to know the laws from the state you are working in to be sure that will work. In many states LE can not only get undressed, but touch and be touched during the sting. New Orleans vice was famous for this. In New York State, LE is not allowed to touch nor be touched during a sting. They will take off their clothes, but not for long and will avoid doing so if possible. Best just to try and touch the person and MAKE them touch you someplace private. Anyone that moves away, or won't is likely LE. Mind you if they are already in and you have done other things, LE might just go ahead and bust, leaving the thing to play out in court. LE's job is to make the arrest, it is the DA's office that reviews the evidence to decide weather to prosecute/the case would stand up in court. However LE and the DA's office know most cases are pleaded out anyway, so they may get a worker to "plead" because it is "eaiser" on them. If you don't know your rights and or have unbiased legal advice (dont rely on court appointed attorneys), you can be pleading guilty when your case probably could or would be thrown out/dismissed.

These sort of crackdowns are not new. When workers strolled the streets from the year dot till recently, there were always crackdowns, usually around election time. That is when madams and smart girls would move on or lay low until things quited down. Even back in the heyday of Screw Magazine adverts, there were heavy crackdowns.

As another media report stated, this all comes from former mayor of New York City, R. Guliani's "safe streets/safe city" approach to crime. That theory goes that LE must put a heavy hand down on "petty" crime, since that is where major crime begins. Prossing, fare beating, jay walking, drinking in public, smoking a joint in public, and so forth; all things that would have gotten one a desk apperance ticket (if that) previously became a trip downtown under Mayor G. Once arrested you were processed (and held until your ID could be verified), then sent before a judge. Whole new courts were created called "Community Courts" to make sure low crimes were punished by either short jail time and or community service. The community service is the big thing, as the courts want to show the public that criminals are being made to "pay" for their crimes and giving something back to the community. You've not had a shock until you've seen a girl you know from the clubs scrubbing a sidewalk/nasty park bathroom with a jail work detail. Some girls beg for a job indoors where they won't be seen, a la Naomi Cambell, even if they have to scrub toilets.

[justatransgirl]

I was just thinkin, lol, if you book an escort, if you filmed it, you'd be OK, as you can say you're practicing your right to freedom of expression :lol:

BIG misconception here. You can't pay a girl and set a camera on the dresser and say you are shooting a movie.

The difference is who is paying who and how. In an adult film a producer/investor is paying actors to create a product for sale to third parties. They are producing a product, not engaging in prostitution - i.e. the exchange of money for sex. I know it's ambigous, but that's how it is.

Secondly is track record. Paying for sex and filming it doesn't make a production house. In our case we are small independent producers, but the difference is, we have a business license, we pay taxes and issue and receive 1099's (royalties) and collect 2257's. We have numerous titles, not just one. We have distribution (always looking for more, hint, hint). We have infrastructure, computers, production equipment, shrink wrap system, business cards, bank account, etc.

In other words someone looking at us, or a big company like Grooby sees a legit business. But someone who'd never shot a video, had a consumer camera, etc. isn't going to pass the test.

Besides making adult content videos is actually pretty boring.

Hugs,
TS Jamie :-)

[SarahG]

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[bikkuri_ohio]

mostly tv and crossdressers looking for action. any harm searching for action there??????

[RubyTS]

mostly tv and crossdressers looking for action. any harm searching for action there??????

in the casual encounters section u can meet. mostly tv's cd's and crossdressers there. Trannies hardly ever post there. Erotic svcs is for escorts strippers domina's and so on who pffer "legal" adult services

[2754tim]

In Boston They Bust Quite A Few Workers Off Craigslist. I Don't Know Of Any TGirls That Have Gotten Locked Up-That Doesn't Mean They Won't.
The Other Problem Is Traffic In And Out Of The Apts, A Nosy Neighbor Can
Be A Hell Of A Lot Worse Then C/L. They Call The Police And Say,"There's
A Ton Of People Coming In And Out Of Apt 5B At Such And Such Address."
The Rest Is History, Be Discreet As You Can.

[Shining Star]

In Boston They Bust Quite A Few Workers Off Craigslist. I Don't Know Of Any TGirls That Have Gotten Locked Up-That Doesn't Mean They Won't.
The Other Problem Is Traffic In And Out Of The Apts, A Nosy Neighbor Can
Be A Hell Of A Lot Worse Then C/L. They Call The Police And Say,"There's
A Ton Of People Coming In And Out Of Apt 5B At Such And Such Address."
The Rest Is History, Be Discreet As You Can.Same thing happens all the time in NYC, but you don't need to be on CL to draw attention of LE. One, yes just one complaint to "311" or the LE tipline about "lots of men going in and out" of an apartment will arouse NYC's Finest Vice Squad to put you on their sniff list. Girls have been busted who don't even advertise on CL,Eros, or Exotics, or at least not in several months.

Tips from landlords and or nosy neighbors are actually better for LE because they usually give the exact street address, and name of the person living in the apartment. This makes LE's job of tracing much eaiser.

Between the Internet and cable, many people, even older ones can put two and two together and figure out what is going on, so you need to be careful; and by all means it does pay to be nice to one's neighbors. One of the reasons many of the girls around the Eastside of Manhattan got chased/busted is they ticked off many building residents who would call LE complaining day and night.

You find sometimes many providers only see people during certian hours, and or not after a certain time (such as late nights). Then there are providers who only do outcalls to avoid messing where they eat.

[brickcitybrother]

Example No. 3246 click here http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=96e_1178099295

For my take here is a copy of different post same subject

Normally I would steer clear of this topic for unstated reasons... but I feel the need to state the obvious

1. The law enforcement activity that is going on is not directed to any sexual preference. It is truly controlled by the DA or jurisdictional prosecutor. As each has limited resources, decisions are made for most bang for the buck (couldn't resist that one - lol). The 'buck' in this instance is arrests and convictions (by plea, judge and jury - in that order).

Therefore - going where every knucklehead goes - is generally a bad idea. Similarly, going where the ladies/escorts have acted in such a way as to come to the attention of the authorities is an equally bad idea. Finally, the more upscale the location - the more likely any distrubance will result in a response by the authorities.

2. Law enforcement is not coming to your door because you exchanged e-mails with MsTSofYourDreams or whomever. Provided you are not attempting to enage an underage individual (that's a special category of offense that should not be a problem for this community).

The stings that occur are through a practice of having the 'johns' [those that are soliciting prostitution] come into a location for the purpose of soliciting or engaging in prostitution AFTER they have evinced a desire to solict and/or engage in the act. Law enforcement's desire to have the john come to a location is to establish at least the minimum evidence of that desire.

3. Unfortunately, I aniticipate the current sting operations will increase in number. Why? Honestly, the collateral crimes are rising around these activities. I think most forum members would be shocked at the high rate of robbery and assault inflicted on johns by certain ladies/escorts. What is more shocking is the rate of reports for these victims is abysmal! Therefore the real numbers are actually unknown - but the antidotal evidence is, again, shocking. Simply stated - more upstanding clients are complaining to the authorities and therefore there is an increase in enforcement.

Advice? Knowledge is Power.


Nuff Said.

[Shining Star]

I think "stings" are going to increase because things are getting too out of hand. It seems, at least in the major cities, that everyone and their mother/brother is "working", not to mention all the traveling escorts. People pay too much money these days to live in NYC or other places and don't wish to put up with what they see as "crime next door".

Again, also many more people put two and two together and know the deal, thus come the complaints to LE.

With the strolls pretty much cleaned up/cracked down upon in major areas, many former street workers have moved indoors. Sadly many have not abandoned their "street" ways, which leads to all sorts of problems (johns being beated, robbed, etc). Just recently in Manhattan it was reported on the news two girls working out of a Times Square hotel were arrested for beating up and robbing a john. What was even more bizarre they both were out on bail, awaiting trail for committing the same crime just a few days before.

[BeardedOne]

Tips from landlords and or nosy neighbors are actually better for LE because they usually give the exact street address, and name of the person living in the apartment. This makes LE's job of tracing much eaiser.

Sydney Biddle Barrows ("The Mayflower Madame") fell to grief because the tenants of her upscale NYC townhouse complained about the constant *Clop* *Clop* Clop* of the heels of her girl's shoes on the hallway tiles.

[Shining Star]

Which is why many girls ask guys to take off their shoes as it gets late, and or stop doing incalls past a certian hour.

One has to remember also that at least in NYC, apartment walls are VERY thin. I can hear everything in going on next door, upstairs and on occasion two or three floors up.

The other thing that tips people off is two, three, or more girls sharing an apartment, but not one goes out to a regular job or school. Constant phone ringing, followed by persons buzzing the intercom is another.

Sadly the biggest risk is often the dates themselves. Guys ring the wrong intercom bell/go to the wrong apartment/stand in the hall discussing "business" in a loud voice. Leaving newspaper adverts or printouts of the girl's advert....

[Shining Star]

Which is why many girls ask guys to take off their shoes as it gets late, and or stop doing incalls past a certian hour.

One has to remember also that at least in NYC, apartment walls are VERY thin. I can hear everything in going on next door, upstairs and on occasion two or three floors up.

The other thing that tips people off is two, three, or more girls sharing an apartment, but not one goes out to a regular job or school. Constant phone ringing, followed by persons buzzing the intercom is another.

Sadly the biggest risk is often the dates themselves. Guys ring the wrong intercom bell/go to the wrong apartment/stand in the hall discussing "business" in a loud voice. Leaving newspaper adverts or printouts of the girl's advert....

[justatransgirl]

Yes - it's just too bad that when more Americans are murdered every year in our major cities than have died in 7 years of war - that LE choses to devote so much tax money to busting people who are just trying to survive.

Especially trans girls who have a tough enough time getting work anyway.

I guess they want to drive us back onto the street - or maybe they just like to destroy lives and cost girls money and put them in jail to be raped for minor NON-crimes.

And NOT ONE police department I know of has a REAL program to help trans girls get into another line of work that pays a living wage. Some have BS programs for minors but I've yet to see anything effective.

Help us get jobs that pay the median wage - which in SoCal is around $60,000 a year. THEN maybe we can afford to leave the business. Otherwise go bust the guy who caused $1,000 damage trying to break into my car.

And NOT ONE of the media outlets playing up the sensational angles of prostitution have done a thing to help the girls - or shown the illegal actions by LE to bust people. Why - because SEX SELLS and what sells sex better than girls in handcuffs being degraded by cops? They are all a bunch of pervet losers with big salaries.

Sorry, this pisses me off...

TS Jamie :-(

[Felicia Katt]

As I read this thread, I thought what a good thing it is that the authorities have caught Bin Laden, found all those missing kids on the milk cartons, and tracked down all those pedophiles and rapists who have failed to register as sex offenders so they have time to browse on Craigslist and Eros to look for escorts to protect all their victims from all those criminal orgasms.

On a more serious note I recently recently heard from a friend who was looking at ads on Eros and saw one using pictures of Lisa Lawer. My friend knew Lisa's story and knew she was not Russian as the ad stated. This was brought to Eros' attention and the ad was quickly removed. I wonder if this could somehow relate to the recent crack downs? Maybe the ad was part of a sting? Most clients don't know who Lisa Lawer is or what she looks like. If you want to be safer, it's best to see someone who you know is real.

FK