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Rogers
08-15-2007, 12:30 AM
With recent papers and reports further strengthening the scientific concensus on global warming and suggesting that it may be about to worsen very soon, a possible drastic solution may have emerged in the form of miniature satellites.

Space sunshade might be feasible in global warming emergency
The plan would be to launch a constellation of trillions of small free-flying spacecraft a million miles above Earth into an orbit aligned with the sun, called the L-1 orbit.

The spacecraft would form a long, cylindrical cloud with a diameter about half that of Earth, and about 10 times longer. About 10 percent of the sunlight passing through the 60,000-mile length of the cloud, pointing lengthwise between the Earth and the sun, would be diverted away from our planet. The effect would be to uniformly reduce sunlight by about 2 percent over the entire planet, enough to balance the heating of a doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere.

The lightweight flyers designed by Angel would be made of a transparent film pierced with small holes. Each flyer would be two feet in diameter, 1/5000 of an inch thick and weigh about a gram, the same as a large butterfly. It would use "MEMS" technology mirrors as tiny sails that tilt to hold the flyers position in the orbiting constellation. The flyer's transparency and steering mechanism prevent it from being blown away by radiation pressure. Radiation pressure is the pressure from the sun's light itself.

Once propelled beyond Earth's atmosphere and gravity with the with an electromagnetic launcher, the flyer stacks would be steered to L-1 orbit by solar-powered ion propulsion, a new method proven in space by the European Space Agency's SMART-1 moon orbiter and NASA's Deep Space 1 probe.

"The concept builds on existing technologies," Angel said. "It seems feasible that it could be developed and deployed in about 25 years at a cost of a few trillion dollars. With care, the solar shade should last about 50 years. So the average cost is about $100 billion a year, or about two-tenths of one percent of the global domestic product."

He added, "The sunshade is no substitute developing renewable energy, the only permanent solution. A similar massive level of technological innovation and financial investment could ensure that.

"But if the planet gets into an abrupt climate crisis that can only be fixed by cooling, it would be good to be ready with some shading solutions that have been worked out”.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-11/uoa-ssm110306.php

Space sunshade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshade

In pictures: Global sunshade
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/07/programmes_global_sunshade/html/1.stm

tsafficianado
08-15-2007, 03:01 AM
sounds like a great idea. here's another. we could dump a few billion gallons of Mr. Bubble in the oceans and when they bubble up the white foam will reflect all that nasty solar radiation back into space, all the little fishies will be nice and clean and the beach will smell SO NICE!

trish
08-15-2007, 03:10 AM
First time I’ve heard of this. At first hearing it sounds pretty fantastic…like science fiction. Whether it’s a viable solution or not remains to be seen. It reminds me of the space-elevator only in the respect that both strain one’s credulity and yet at the same time both provide and illustrate lot’s of good physics problems and principles…which makes them both fun to think about.

The first thing I want to ask about the Sun-shade is: how stable can the orbits of a myriad of little shades be if they are spread out over an 1800 km cylinder centered at the first Earth/Sun Lagrange point. I’d hate to see them scatter. There’s enough space junk up there to create big problems for communications and observational satellites. Perhaps this won’t matter since L1 is 1.5 million kilometers out whereas geosynchronous satellites are only about 42 thousand kilometers out. I know that L1 is a stable Lagrange point (it’s the location of one of our current solar observatories), but the question is, is it sufficiently stable.

Thanks, Rogers, for drawing my attention to this pretty little trillion body problem.

TJT
08-15-2007, 12:44 PM
Monty Burns tried it and got shot for his efforts. Good ol' Monty.

Rogers
08-15-2007, 06:02 PM
sounds like a great idea. here's another. we could dump a few billion gallons of Mr. Bubble in the oceans and when they bubble up the white foam will reflect all that nasty solar radiation back into space, all the little fishies will be nice and clean and the beach will smell SO NICE!
Well, I guess we could all try and ignore the problem, and when it's all far too late, start praying to our many different Gods' to help us save our worthless insignificant asses, tsafficionado.

A slightly similar idea along the lines you have suggested, tsafficionado:
Can Iron-Enriched Oceans Thwart Global Warming?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/06/0609_040609_carbonsink.html
Such an idea may have damaging effects on the World's marine ecosystems, but far less than bubble-bath would.

Seeding oceans with iron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitigation_of_global_warming#Seeding_oceans_with_i ron

Other geoengineering ideas:
Could Crazy Technology Save the Planet?
http://www.heatisonline.org/contentserver/objecthandlers/index.cfm?ID=6313&Method=Full

trish
08-15-2007, 06:31 PM
the mister bubble and the iron seeding ideas remind me of a similar proposal to solve a different problem. it seems some researchers are exploring the possibility that surfactants released in the ocean along the predicted path of a hurricane may reduce the power of the hurricane by an order of magnitude. I believe I read this in one of the August issues of Nature.

Rogers
08-15-2007, 06:36 PM
The first thing I want to ask about the Sun-shade is: how stable can the orbits of a myriad of little shades be if they are spread out over an 1800 km cylinder centered at the first Earth/Sun Lagrange point. I’d hate to see them scatter. There’s enough space junk up there to create big problems for communications and observational satellites. Perhaps this won’t matter since L1 is 1.5 million kilometers out whereas geosynchronous satellites are only about 42 thousand kilometers out. I know that L1 is a stable Lagrange point (it’s the location of one of our current solar observatories), but the question is, is it sufficiently stable.
You do ask very good questions, trish, and give very good answers! Wikipedia's article on "space debris" is a good starting point, and the following images are taken from it.
Space debris
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_debris

With regard to the pico-satellites' ability to maintain their positions, Angel's paper is probably your best bet; "Feasibility of cooling the Earth with a cloud of small spacecraft near L1," Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. The University of Arizona press release that I linked to says that, "It would use "MEMS" technology mirrors as tiny sails that tilt to hold the flyers position in the orbiting constellation. The flyer's transparency and steering mechanism prevent it from being blown away by radiation pressure. Radiation pressure is the pressure from the sun's light itself."
He has already obtained funding from NASA for further research, and reckons it will take 25 years from drawing board to implementation.

Microelectromechanical systems
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEMS

Rogers
08-15-2007, 09:00 PM
You can download Angel's paper at the following link, trish:
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/0608163103v1

"Position and momentum control" is on pages 4 and 5 of the pdf.

trish
08-16-2007, 04:46 PM
thanks, Rogers. i'll get back to you after i attempt to read it. by the way, i was just playing around yesterday and noticed that L1 is a saddle. this means an particle orbiting at L1 is unstable against perturbations of its position along the axis that connects the Sun and the Earth and stable for perturbations which are normal to this axis.

tsafficianado
08-17-2007, 05:03 AM
see, i told you. mr. bubble is a great surfactant, so not only will my plan reduce the scourge of global warning and get all the fishies clean and make the beach smell SO GOOD, it will eradicate hurricanes. i'm going to be famous....none of you buttholes better try to steal my idea.

trish
08-17-2007, 05:55 AM
buttholes!!! i'm the one who told you about the hurricane depressant aspect of mr. bubble. i want a percentage of the profits and royalties.

tsafficianado
08-18-2007, 04:41 AM
no problem trish. no problem at all.
you may have 10% of the net, but you are welcome to 100% of the inner glow that will come from the knowledge of a job well done and another planet saved.....i'm into the tangible stuff

manbearpig
09-05-2007, 03:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgE_mkR2oac

hippifried
09-11-2007, 07:18 AM
Wouldn't it be a lot easier to just stop pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere? The Earth & all its systems are self-cleaning. Stop making the mess, & nature's maid will be able to catch up & keep up.