my father --

[dreamer]

my father was a bastard son of a bastard son ---he raped women --he stole --he killed inocent people ---he was an evil bastard from the day he entered this world

my MOM ---was raped as an infant ---only to grow into prostitition ---molested ----


I was conceived ---by these two --somehow ---


I did not ASK to be --

I had/have no choice

I am brought into this world --FORCED --beyond .......ANY logical will

to be introduced........to "life"

I did not ASK to be here ---my parents ---my genetic --structure --is involutarly -given to me --my genes ---
are human ---just like YOU -----did you ASK to exist?? ---I didn't ASK for this life ---it was given to me --orrrrr ----it was laid upon me --somehow --- --freedom of choice ----denied --

my bastard father (of a bastard son) ---got my loose mother ---pregnant --I did not ask --nor beg --nor pray ---for my life ----


this shit was "handed" to an unwilling void


a void ---

can you imagine.....nothing?

this is where we begin --and end ---

[ezed]

Quit bitch'n and go out and buy a cherry snow cone.

[trish]

Had anyone been able to ask you, "do you want to be introduced to life" you would've already been alive! In fact, there was no one to ask and therefore no fault can be put on those who didn't do the asking. Thank your woefully unfortunate parents for what care or love they gave you (if any) and move on. We all grow up in circumstances largely beyond our control and often even as adults we find ourselves unable to extricate ourselves from those early influences and unable to fully control the new circumstances that surround us. Do you best and good luck.

P.S. I hear guyone is a kind fellow and is always willing to help someone in need. You might pm him. Ask for money.

[loki]

Life is hard and often sucks. Get over it and live your own life.

[White_Male_Canada]

Drink this whole case.

[guyone]

A pretty uplifting message. Do you still stay in touch with your parents?

[dreamer]

heheh ---thanks for your support ------I was hammered when I wrote that ----that was not at all a true description of my parents ------the "point" --I was trying to make ---is that life is given to us --basically FORCED upon us ----we come from a void ---from nothing ----and that is where we end ---in non existance --

my father actually was going to be a priest ---till he met my mom ----he also graduated from ST John's University ---and Columbia University ---he is currently a college teacher -------my sweet little mumsy has an MBA in accounting ---and is the senior accountant in a business office ---


sorry for the confusion ----it was just a tragic example of how life comes from the darkest places ---


I'll pass on that case of Moosehead ---I literally drank 18 busch lights yesterday when I wrote that ----I guess drunken philosophy should be left quiet sometimes --(although it did sound cool when I was slurring it over the phone)

[White_Male_Canada]

heheh ---thanks for your support ------I was hammered when I wrote that ----that was not at all a true description of my parents ------the "point" --I was trying to make ---is that life is given to us --basically FORCED upon us ----we come from a void ---from nothing ----and that is where we end ---in non existance --

my father actually was going to be a priest ---till he met my mom ----he also graduated from ST John's University ---and Columbia University ---he is currently a college teacher -------my sweet little mumsy has an MBA in accounting ---and is the senior accountant in a business office ---


sorry for the confusion ----it was just a tragic example of how life comes from the darkest places ---


I'll pass on that case of Moosehead ---I literally drank 18 busch lights yesterday when I wrote that ----I guess drunken philosophy should be left quiet sometimes --(although it did sound cool when I was slurring it over the phone)

Ah-ha. And here I thought it was some lyrics from a Johnny Cash tune. 8)

Well remember that the same God who put you into your life situation is the same God who invented Nachos.

Not a bad deal, on balance.

[trish]

Nachos are the work of man, read the label.

Nachos are the work of man, read the label.

Ever-e-thing is a work of man. Including GOD.

Works of man, inspired by God.



Damn I'm smart.

[dreamer]

God??? ---Man??? ------my friend and I were talking about DEATH today -----"are you afraid of dying?" he asked ----"YES! --I am petrified of dying/death" I answered ------why -----cuz dude ---what if there IS a hellfire -------my friend's answer was crazy ---yet made sense


"you're used to life here on Earth ---you'll get used to the pangs* of hell"

and I agree ---IF IF IF there is a hell ---I will adapt ---and learn to love/hate eternal pain --as I have learned to love/hate life on Earth --



*my friend did not use the word PANG ---but it fits --so I used it ---it certainly is a cool word ---fuck off!!


a three year old --yet to be be baptised ---meets doom ------he will burn forever and ever

we love you too my god of the only heaven ---

[dreamer]

but these thought do not make me any less afraid of dying ---

[LG]

Nachos are the work of man, read the label.

Ever-e-thing is a work of man. Including GOD.

Works of man, inspired by God.



Damn I'm smart.

You bring a new meaning to the word "smart" TFan. Specifically: "not smart".

God??? ---Man??? ------my friend and I were talking about DEATH today -----"are you afraid of dying?" he asked ----"YES! --I am petrified of dying/death" I answered ------why -----cuz dude ---what if there IS a hellfire -------my friend's answer was crazy ---yet made sense


"you're used to life here on Earth ---you'll get used to the pangs* of hell"

and I agree ---IF IF IF there is a hell ---I will adapt ---and learn to love/hate eternal pain --as I have learned to love/hate life on Earth --



*my friend did not use the word PANG ---but it fits --so I used it ---it certainly is a cool word ---fuck off!!


a three year old --yet to be be baptised ---meets doom ------he will burn forever and ever

we love you too my god of the only heaven ---

Damn dude, you're a fucking pervert! :lol:

There is indeed a hell and we're probably all going there, except for our love of the Jesus. How old are you? 21? 22? You haven't even lived!

Let the chest hair sprout! Get out of the house, meet chicks, take em home and bang em! Then go buy yourself a big hamburger with extra grease! Live a little. Live Gods miracle. It'll make you a better man!

[dreamer]

Oh Jack jack --daddy mack --with the smack on the flap ---I'm 35 ---just a pseudohuman ----pseudocreationist ---maybe I was born with guilt ---and fear/respect fire ----I also fear/respect water -----both so soothing --both alluring/deadly ----pseudopoet ---pseudothinker ---hand on chin ------I can't get chicks ---cuz I hate/fear people ----well ---I learned to be disappointed/let down --by people -----ANYWAYS ---I'd love to dump my guts ---but who cares? ---

I'm drunk ---lemme alone ----lend me a loan --then leave me alone ---

I hope I spell pseudo correctly ---

LIFE=DEATH

she held a pillow over my face ---and said "come with me --I am your maker" ---I wouldn't /couldn't move --

[dreamer]

I dunno ---I'm just drunker and drunker today ---lend me a loan ---

[trish]

There is indeed a hell and we're probably all going there, except for our love of the Jesus. Translation please, and do try using English this time. I swear, it's not because you're deep that people don't understand you. It's just that you don't know how to use words.

[dreamer]

HOLY --she quoted him and not my guff ---praise Sol ---

[dreamer]

thing of it is ---I believe ---that the answers are too much ---I think death won't even answer our questions ----we aren't capable of understanding -------
"not even suicide --or my acid words -can teach you ----anything usefull"

Nevermore -

[TJT]

My bastard dad can whup your bastard dad.

[trish]

Actually dreamer, I believe we humans are capable of understanding almost anything. It’s knowing that we trouble with. If someone explained to us all of the different possibilities, each one in excruciating detail, we would be able to comprehend and understand each one of those possibilities. What we wouldn’t know is which of those many schemes are true and which are fiction. Which ones describe the world and the people with whom we are familiar? It’s not the limitations on human understanding the blocks our progress. We are clever animals and have the linguistic, logical and mathematical tools requisite for an adequate description of the universe or to express the nuances of a complex love affair. It is the limitations on knowledge that plague us. We have no general way of discerning which of our many complex dreams are true. Some of us are skeptics, and we plod along making slow but sure progress. Others of us are romantics, sure of the answers but not sure.

So yes, death won’t answer our questions, and there is no one who can teach us. But this is the exquisite pain of the existential dilemma: we have the capacity to understand, and therefore the thirst to understand, but we have very little understanding.

[dreamer]

Trish --I saw in another thread that you're going away for a bit ---happy trails -------seems I only contribute to this board when I am drunk or buzzed (confession)


but --but --but ---they say that we only use 1/4 of our brain (bless you Timothy Leary for trying) ---so "that" in itself ---tells me that there are 3/4 of things we have noooo idea about --nor can comprehend-----and "they" also tell us that if we ever meet "GOD" --that his image -prescence --warmth and LIGHT ---is just too great to ever ever explain/describe ---his real NAME is just too much for us -----fookin crazy ass god name -----

what I THINK I was trying to say ---is that death --will not answer the origins of time ---the origins of life ---the origins of the universe ---nope --not even when we die --can/will we understand .....anything ----we are mere grains of sand --upon grains of sand ---far too small and insignificant ----we aren't meant to understand ----we will never know ---

unless in death we aquire some all knowing intelligence ---which I personally doubt ------like you said ---we are just animals ---

I watched and heard on utube ---that the only thing .....wait ---apes have what --48 chromosomes ---and humans have 46 -----because somehow 2 of the chromosomes were fused -------whatever ---we are indeed animals ---in fact ---we are a disgrace to the animal kingdom ---

you think apes are gonna understand this universe when they die? ---what --somehow WE will? ----

obviously this is a sided argument ----but I just feel we are far too small --

[trish]

I'm still on vacation dreamer, but I found a some down time from my down time to drop a few posts. Probably won't check back in though for about a week.

First of all I disagree that we only use a fraction of our brains. That’s just something that someone said. There is no single measure of the brain’s functional or intellectual capacity. As far as neurologists can tell, there are no neurons that lie dormant and never fire. I do agree (for reasons which you no doubt will regard as the wrong ones) that once dead you won’t know how the universe works, the origin of life or it answer to universe, life and everything. But let’s grant for the moment that there are gods who know how it all works and how it all began and that you get to study under one of them sometime. I have no doubt the universe is complex but the parts and individual steps of reasoning required to understand it are simple. Just like a mathematical proof can take hundreds of pages, but each individual step is just a matter of applying modus ponens (or some other simple rule of logic) to two prior conclusions and gathering the will and stamina to move on to the next step. I can’t prove it, but I think that we are capable of understanding, step by step, everything that god-teacher describes. After all that diligence and work, what we have a detailed description of how that god says the universe works. What we don’t have is knowledge of how it works. We can’t know the description is correct; that we either have to take on faith (trusting the god knew what he was talking about and wasn’t deceiving us) or we have to work out the truth of the description ourselves by performing experiments and making observations. I think the former course is undesirable and the latter endless but at least satisfying. More satisfying is discovering the description ourselves as we simultaneously attempt to test and verify it. This is what we do now without help from the gods.

To address all your points I should say a few words about why I’m so optimistic about our abilities when it’s obvious that other animals, like apes, have no hope in even understanding, say calculus. My optimism extends only to our language’s capacity to describe the universe. This does not necessary translate into our mental capacity to fathom the description without the aid of artificial memory and computational crutches. Examples that often simple languages are sufficient for the description of complex things abound. For example: the simple language of Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory is known to be sufficient for the description of all ordinary mathematical practice. This has been known for more than three-quarters of a century. Another example: A simple universal Turing machine is sufficiently powerful to simulate any other computing machine. It seems that given a well-defined domain, there is a threshold of complexity required of a language if it is to describe that domain completely. The threshold tends to be very low compared to the complexity of the domain. My experience with human languages, natural and artificial, gives me faith that our languages will prove sufficiently expressive for describing the universe. That new scientific terms will be coined is not in doubt. All I’m saying is new concepts will be definable in terms of the procedures and concepts with which we are already familiar, just like high level computer languages are always definable in machine language and machine languages are always describable as universal Turing machines.