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chefmike
07-04-2007, 11:10 PM
While I'm not going so far as skipping my July 4th BBQ(the ribs are smoking as I type this), I share this fellow veteran's sentiments about recent events...

No Joy This Fourth Of July
Bob Geiger

A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people." ~ Declaration of Independence

I've always enjoyed the Fourth of July.

It's summer, it's a festive holiday about celebration -- not mourning or remembrance -- and, as a military Veteran, it has been a time to feel good about whatever miniscule role I've played in maintaining our country's strength and freedom.

But I'm going to skip the barbeques and just go to work today. I do this because the state of my country under the reign of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and their entire cabal of crooks and non-patriots, leaves me with a feeling so hollow and barren that I simply cannot use drinking a beer, eating a hot dog or watching fireworks as a soothing balm.

With Bush's effective pardon of Scooter Libby on Monday, he has once again acted on behalf of the American people with no regard for what the people actually want. Poll after poll has shown that Americans still cling to a belief in equal justice under the law and that letting Libby off the hook on perjury and obstruction of justice charges in the outing of a covert CIA agent is horribly wrong. But that doesn't stop Bush from doing whatever he damn well pleases to help his cronies and appease his political benefactors.

The overwhelming majority of the country now also knows the truth of the Iraq occupation and made clear in the last election what is expected of our leaders in ending that disaster. The American people know that the White House cooked the intelligence books to make a bogus case for war against a country that posed no threat whatsoever to the United States and by far most Americans want us out of Iraq as soon as possible.

It was the same thing with the way most of us feel about the promise held in the science of stem cell research and the huge nationwide support for raising the federal minimum wage, which have both been fought tooth and nail by Bush and the Republican party.

No matter how we the people want to be governed or how we decide we want our country to look, Bush sticks stubbornly to what he wants, to what he mandates and what he decides in his delusional world of absolute power and authority over all he surveys.

It's a bitter irony that what we celebrate today is deliverance from just such an absolute power and authority in the form of King George III, about whom the Founding Fathers railed in the majority of the Declaration of Independence and from whom they declared our freedom. We broke away from the colonial rule of a tyrant and, in the preamble to this sacred document, we stated that our leaders are ultimately governed by those for which government is created and that those elected president get "their just powers from the consent of the governed."


That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

We declared our break from a monarch, an absolute ruler, in 1776 when the 13 colonies risked it all to repudiate that form of government and to say that the leader of what would become the new United States of America should listen to the will of the people and not the other way around.

One has to wonder what Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, Hancock and the other Founding Fathers would think of where we're at, 231 years later, if they could see the vision of Democracy they cherished so soiled and the 43rd president known not at all for his wisdom and entirely for his outrageous abuse of power.

George W. Bush has taken our country and made us despised throughout the world, ruined our global reputation in a way that may take a generation to salvage and made us far less safe in a dangerous world. Indeed, he has used our nation's wealth and power to make the world a more dangerous place.

His administration has also found a way to diminish a great holiday like our Independence Day, to make us feel less like proudly waving our flag and to even cause many like me, who have worn our country's uniform, to wonder what the hell it was for.

And, for that, every American who voted for Bush, should take time this July Fourth to perform a truly patriotic act and be profoundly ashamed.

07-04-2007, 11:20 PM
I've got your joy right here, swinging. Is this another one of your cries for dick? Post this shit in the P & R where it belongs and we have trained specialists ready to handle your stupidity. We've got decent folks on this side of the board. Don't go loitering and give the place "Atmosphere".

TrueBeauty TS
07-04-2007, 11:24 PM
Amen, Chef.

I fly the flag today not because of what our country is today, but what we once were and what we once stood for.


Hopefully, what we can stand for again once we are done with King George and these dark times.




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07-04-2007, 11:26 PM
What's with all you fucking whiners. "What we once were?"

If you think this place stinks, go fly a flag in London for the love of God. We don't need any torch carriers telling us we suck. America is pretty much the best thing on this planet and how do you like that?

TrueBeauty TS
07-04-2007, 11:36 PM
What's with all you fucking whiners. "What we once were?"

If you think this place stinks, go fly a flag in London for the love of God. We don't need any torch carriers telling us we suck. America is pretty much the best thing on this planet and how do you like that?

You are an idiot. A dictators dream. A TRUE Patriot is ever vigilant of their own government. A TRUE Patriot demands accountability of their own government.

Idiots like you think that being a good American means to sit back and swallow whatever crap your government tells you, no questions asked.

How do you like that?



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07-04-2007, 11:44 PM
What's with all you fucking whiners. "What we once were?"

If you think this place stinks, go fly a flag in London for the love of God. We don't need any torch carriers telling us we suck. America is pretty much the best thing on this planet and how do you like that?

You are an idiot. A dictators dream. A TRUE Patriot is ever vigilant of their own government. A TRUE Patriot demands accountability of their own government.

Idiots like you think that being a good American means to sit back and swallow whatever crap your government tells you, no questions asked.

How do you like that?



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You're wrong and weak on crime.


A true patriot doesn't fucking torch carry. A true patriot says "I'm gonna do something other than rub my thighs together and whine about the old days".

You have a couple of real options for change. Get the fuck out of the country or come up with better ideas. Until then, stop your bitching.

TrueBeauty TS
07-04-2007, 11:50 PM
You have a couple of real options for change. Get the fuck out of the country or come up with better ideas.


Yeah, that sounds like something you'd do. Cut & run. No thanks.
I'll stay here and continue to try to make my country a better place.

Maybe you should try that?



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07-04-2007, 11:52 PM
You have a couple of real options for change. Get the fuck out of the country or come up with better ideas.


Yeah, that sounds like something you'd do. Cut & run. No thanks.
I'll stay here and continue to try to make my country a better place.



And how you gonna do that? Whining on message boards on the internets? LMAO

TrueBeauty TS
07-04-2007, 11:56 PM
And how you gonna do that? Whining on message boards on the internets? LMAO

No, by being politically active. You ever think of that?


Or are you too busy drinking your Kool-Aid?

07-04-2007, 11:59 PM
And how you gonna do that? Whining on message boards on the internets? LMAO

No, by being politically active.

Oh. You're one of them type. LOL. I love making you people cry in November.

TrueBeauty TS
07-05-2007, 12:01 AM
And how you gonna do that? Whining on message boards on the internets? LMAO

No, by being politically active.

Oh. You're one of them type. LOL. I love making you people cry in November.


Yes. I'm an American. And believe me, real Americans and real Patriots have been crying for several years now.

You must be so proud.



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chefmike
07-05-2007, 12:02 AM
I've got your joy right here, swinging. Is this another one of your cries for dick? Post this shit in the P & R where it belongs and we have trained specialists ready to handle your stupidity. We've got decent folks on this side of the board. Don't go loitering and give the place "Atmosphere".

You have never been anything more than a mere shit stain on this forum, TFool. Any noobs out there who doubt it should click on TFools profile, read his idiotic posts and remove all doubt.

Did they give you shock treatment at jesus camp, TFool? Because the drivel that you've posted here today is more idiotic than it ever was in the past, if that's even possible.

Or maybe you just can't get over the fact that you were publicly disgraced, tarred and feathered here at HA....and then you slunk away with your tail between between your legs...didn't you, bitch?

07-05-2007, 12:04 AM
And how you gonna do that? Whining on message boards on the internets? LMAO

No, by being politically active.

Oh. You're one of them type. LOL. I love making you people cry in November.


Yes. I'm an American. And believe me, real Americans and real Patriots have been crying for several years now.

You must be so proud.



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Yeah I am proud because I'm what makes this country work. I laugh at you because you and your perpetually open mind simply "think" you're Americans but cower under the threat of tyranny.

You'd rather live on your knees than die on your feet.

TrueBeauty TS
07-05-2007, 12:08 AM
Yeah I am proud because I'm what makes this country work. I laugh at you because you and your perpetually open mind simply "think" you're Americans but cower under the threat of tyranny.

You'd rather live on your knees than die on your feet.


Uh..... I'm the one that said we should fight to make this country better. You are the one that said we would shut up and take whatever the government gives us. Or did you get all confused by some big words?


Damn, you are dumb.



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Felicia Katt
07-05-2007, 12:09 AM
On what conceivable, objective scale except immodest, blind jingoism are we the best?? We are the richest nation in the world, but we have more poverty, more people in prison, and more homelessness than the rest of the Western world. We have more murders and more rapes and more violent crimes . We have higher infant mortality rates and lower life expectancy. We have 40 plus million people withouth adequate healthcare. Except for the richest of the rich, we work more hours for less pay and with less in the way of benefits. We burn thorugh more resources and foul the enviroment with more pollution.

What used to make us great was that despite our flaws, we were a beacon of freedom and democracy to the world. Now, we have allowed those who exploited our great moment of national tragedy to erode our freedoms and reputation. We have wiretaps and searches and secret prisons and torture. We ignore due process, and have scrapped habeus corpus. All men are no longer created equal anymore. The rich and elite can leak, and profiteer and lie and pander with impunity, and those who dare to call them on it are targetted and harassed and let go for "performance issues". Internationally, we claim the right to invade and interfere in other nations before they ever transgress against us. We have killed tens of thousands of innocents and sacrificed nearly 4000 brave solider's lives to create a huge festering boil in the Middle East from which only poison and hatred will ever flow. Iraq is in rubble, the Taliban is resurgent in Afghanistan, Iran has retreated into radicalism, Lebanon is in turmoil. Our feckless recklessness has undermined all the progress of the prior 20 years.

We are not what we were, and worse, are far from what we should be.

FK

ps, the politics and religion sub board is the underside of a bridge, fit for trolls but not real discussions. Try making your case out in the open, where there is light and air and others to point out the ugliness of your positions.

chefmike
07-05-2007, 12:09 AM
And how you gonna do that? Whining on message boards on the internets? LMAO

No, by being politically active.

Oh. You're one of them type. LOL. I love making you people cry in November.


Yes. I'm an American. And believe me, real Americans and real Patriots have been crying for several years now.

You must be so proud.



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I guess that TFool isn't aware that the repugs got the shit kicked out of them last November, as they most certainly will in the next prez elections. The repugs don't have a fucking chance in hell of winning. You're just as clueless as ever, TFool.

07-05-2007, 12:09 AM
Yeah I am proud because I'm what makes this country work. I laugh at you because you and your perpetually open mind simply "think" you're Americans but cower under the threat of tyranny.

You'd rather live on your knees than die on your feet.


Uh..... I'm the one that said we should fight to make this country better. You are the one that said we would shut up and take whatever the government gives us. Or did you get all confused by some big words?


Damn, you are dumb.



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No, I said you should just shut up. YOU! The world has enough idiots. We don't need another.

TrueBeauty TS
07-05-2007, 12:15 AM
The world has enough idiots. We don't need another.


So when are you going to leave?



:banghead



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Oli
07-05-2007, 12:24 AM
On what conceivable, objective scale except immodest, blind jingoism are we the best?? We are the richest nation in the world, but we have more poverty, more people in prison, and more homelessness than the rest of the Western world. We have more murders and more rapes and more violent crimes . We have higher infant mortality rates and lower life expectancy. We have 40 plus million people withouth adequate healthcare. Except for the richest of the rich, we work more hours for less pay and with less in the way of benefits. We burn thorugh more resources and foul the enviroment with more pollution.

What used to make us great was that despite our flaws, we were a beacon of freedom and democracy to the world. Now, we have allowed those who exploited our great moment of national tragedy to erode our freedoms and reputation. We have wiretaps and searches and secret prisons and torture. We ignore due process, and have scrapped habeus corpus. All men are no longer created equal anymore. The rich and elite can leak, and profiteer and lie and pander with impunity, and those who dare to call them on it are targetted and harassed and let go for "performance issues". Internationally, we claim the right to invade and interfere in other nations before they ever transgress against us. We have killed tens of thousands of innocents and sacrificed nearly 4000 brave solider's lives to create a huge festering boil in the Middle East from which only poison and hatred will ever flow. Iraq is in rubble, the Taliban is resurgent in Afghanistan, Iran has retreated into radicalism, Lebanon is in turmoil. Our feckless recklessness has undermined all the progress of the prior 20 years.

We are not what we were, and worse, are far from what we should be.

FK

:claps :claps :claps :claps


ps, the politics and religion sub board is the underside of a bridge, fit for trolls but not real discussions. Try making your case out in the open, where there is light and air and others to point out the ugliness of your positions.

P&R is more like a giant "Whack a Mole" game.

07-05-2007, 12:29 AM
So now the go-to move of the liberal is to claim a 1 seat senate majority is getting "The shit kicked out of you".

Shit, you guys couldn't even get your precious immigration reform bill passed.

TrueBeauty TS
07-05-2007, 12:51 AM
Shit, you guys couldn't even get your precious immigration reform bill passed.

Damn!!!!! How dumb are you??? In case you didn't know, that was Bush's immigration plan more than anyone else's.


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07-05-2007, 12:59 AM
Shit, you guys couldn't even get your precious immigration reform bill passed.

Damn!!!!! How dumb are you??? In case you didn't know, that was Bush's immigration plan more than anyone else's.


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I'll tell you again because it's obvious you're slow. Might be from popping all those pills.

Look at the list of who voted for the bill and who voted against it.

AllanahStarrNYC
07-05-2007, 12:59 AM
And how you gonna do that? Whining on message boards on the internets? LMAO

No, by being politically active.

Oh. You're one of them type. LOL. I love making you people cry in November.


Yes. I'm an American. And believe me, real Americans and real Patriots have been crying for several years now.

You must be so proud.



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Yeah I am proud because I'm what makes this country work. I laugh at you because you and your perpetually open mind simply "think" you're Americans but cower under the threat of tyranny.

You'd rather live on your knees than die on your feet.

Oh God it's back-

Kinda like Herpes- it flares up from time to time and causes extreme discomfort.

What a loser.

TrueBeauty TS
07-05-2007, 01:02 AM
Oh God it's back-

Kinda like Herpes- it flares up from time to time and causes extreme discomfort.

What a loser.



LOL Well said.



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Xiorc
07-05-2007, 01:36 AM
Ever noticed when some fucking moron tells you to go move to another country if you dont like it here, or go over there and wave your flag, or what ever ..The chances are good the that person has never even been to another country. I been to quite a few countries and have seen my share of shit holes but Ive been to some places that are safer and cleaner than our good ole USA. Im sick of living here and I am making arrangements to Immigrate to a better place and Im a decorated Marine whom has fought for this country yet I am sickened by our leaders and what they have done to all of us.

chefmike
07-05-2007, 01:38 AM
And how you gonna do that? Whining on message boards on the internets? LMAO

No, by being politically active.

Oh. You're one of them type. LOL. I love making you people cry in November.


Yes. I'm an American. And believe me, real Americans and real Patriots have been crying for several years now.

You must be so proud.



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Yeah I am proud because I'm what makes this country work. I laugh at you because you and your perpetually open mind simply "think" you're Americans but cower under the threat of tyranny.

You'd rather live on your knees than die on your feet.

Oh God it's back-

Kinda like Herpes- it flares up from time to time and causes extreme discomfort.

What a loser.

LMFAO...Allanah remembers this asshole...and he may very well be the banned poster who was known as 'yourdaddy's inbred offspring...