Read This Crap

[AllanahStarrNYC]

www.realityresources.com


2 christian "psychologist" who think they can cure
gender identity issues-

website fails miserably b/c it equates that every ts is
a crossdresser with a fetishistic attraction towards dressing up as a woman-

i should write them and tell them
I have never been turned on by putting on a bra, or panties, or hose, or a wig-

these people get on my last good nerve

[Vicki Richter]

Yeah but that mantra of "woman trapped in mans body" grates on my last nerve. If I had a dollar for every TS who I heard that from I'd be rich. I know I'm not a woman. I am just more comfortable living my life as one. The fact is the psychiatric profession reinforces the spewing of that matra in order to get your SRS papers. I am surprised more girls don't forge their papers and goto Thailand instead of having a quack confirm for them that they are indeed whack. This isn't a rational decision to be a TS. However, neither is having kids and they don't make those people goto therapy.

I don't profess to be right about what makes a TS a TS, it is just my personal opinion. However, I have met some people who are T's and just shake my head in wonderment. Sometimes there is a serious mental thing going on there that could use a little nurturing. I've met every range of the spectrum from just being a TS for the money to just doing it to wear women's clothes (I swear), to other girls like me who are too rational to believe we are women, but enjoy living as women, all the way to complete TS legitimacy.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't find the original cross dressing thing to be exciting. I remember wearing my sisters panties to school when I was in 4th grade (10 years old) and feeling really excited about it. It wasn't a sexual excitement at all though. I didn't even know what sex was. (we didn't have the Internet back then). It's probably also not a totally normal thing for a little boy to fantasize about being Wonder Woman. It's kind of embarassing now thinking back on it. Stupid Linda Carter.

[Ecstatic]

Just wait till J reads this thread.... :twisted:

Yeah, it's twisted alright. There may be some small validity there for cd's who want to "reform" (though I doubt that strongly), but obviously they don't understand transgenderism at all.

I've never considered myself a cd or tv, but there have been a few occasions when, on a whim, I put on my wife's bra or panties and got very turned on. Never went further than that--no real compulsion there, but it's interesting to hear you say you've never been turned on by putting on a bra or hose, Allanah. That alone indicates the difference between cd's and ts's. I imagine you do quite enjoy dressing to the nines, but in a wholly different way.

[Ecstatic]

Yeah but that mantra of "woman trapped in mans body" grates on my last nerve. If I had a dollar for every TS who I heard that from I'd be rich. I know I'm not a woman. I am just more comfortable living my life as one. The fact is the psychiatric profession reinforces the spewing of that matra in order to get your SRS papers. I am surprised more girls don't forge their papers and goto Thailand instead of having a quack confirm for them that they are indeed whack. This isn't a rational decision to be a TS. However, neither is having kids and they don't make those people goto therapy.
Well said, Vicki. It's that whole range of types of people who are in whatever way transgendered. Why not? Some I think are women trapped in a man's body. Others like yourself simply prefer to live that way (and believe you me, there's lots of us who are glad you do). Doing it just for money seems really whack to me. And getting your head messed up by a shrink who tries to fit your square peg into his round hole (hmm...maybe I should rethink that metaphor in this context) is surely a bad thing. I guess that many post-ops who regret it all (too late) would fit into that last category, as opposed to those who appear to be truly more fulfilled and well-adjusted afterwards.

People are just incredibly diverse. Why can't we deal with that, as a society? I'm bisexual and love it, but I admit that I don't go around talking about it very openly because of the stigma. Last night I watched Wife Swap, which featured a swap between a Christian family and a lesbian family. The kids were the best adjusted by a huge margin in both families, but the Christian wife viciously attacked the lesbian wife who swapped places with her, citing the Bible and calling her deviant and perverse. In tears, the lesbian wife replied that the other woman should consider what things were like back before 1967: see, the Christian woman was black, and her husband white, and it was only a generation ago that that was considered perverse and was actually illegal in many of these United States.

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[Hugh Jarrod]

ecstatic u rabble rouser..i think this one is just too easy...ill just mention how funny it is that people skim over the part that its a xian thing..as though its just a side thing that they happen to be xians and not the sole factor in their irratic thinking...didnt i say i was gonna leave this one alone?:) ok....


and i still believe that most people on this site are on my side here, its just a tough battle when ur up against danielle, vicky, felicia, etc and expect to get support:) And quite honestly, our differences aside, i think some of the intelligent girls on the site may actually respect passion and upfront guys more than nod along phoney admirers...

Hey I respect you J, even if I don't always agree, you speak your mind there is always something to be said for someone who speaks there mind.

[Chica]

and i still believe that most people on this site are on my side here, its just a tough battle when ur up against danielle, vicky, felicia, etc and expect to get support:) And quite honestly, our differences aside, i think some of the intelligent girls on the site may actually respect passion and upfront guys more than nod along phoney admirers...

i for one agree.

if i say "is there anything wrong about me", people would say "no, your perfect" to try to get a relationship going. i'd prefer getting told rather than not and let the world see, whatever it is. yeah the line i unquoted was a little silly, but don't we need a bit of a giggle?

cmon lighten up, dont take things as serious, its always more fun that way

[LG]

Interesting...very interesting...

It is really sad to see this kind of site on the interenet. I believe the people behind are well meaning and that they perhaps truly believe that they are doing the world a service. One page on the site asks whether transexuality is a sin and goes on to suggest

if it obscures your awareness of the ugliness of sin and the holiness of God, if it takes the edge off your spiritual hunger, then it's sin.

In which case a whole number of things can be considered sinful (including probably, a nice cup of coffee, a bacardi coke or a kickabout in the park. I don't think God doesn't want us to be happy.

According to Jerry Leach, the man behind the website, transexuals may exhibit some of these traits
-An inferiority complex
-Homophobia
-Bad relationship with their family
-Suicidal tendencies or thoughts
-Guilt, fear, jealousy and self-hatred
-yadda yadda yadda

Am I right in understanding that Jerry Leach experienced "gender dysphoria" or whatever a psychologist would call it before being 'saved' by God? Maybe he thinks religion worked for him. Maybe his case is different. After all, cross dressing and transexuality are two very different things, with a whole lot of variation within and around them.

But in anycase religion cannot 'covert' the majority of transexuals because as I understand it has been scientifically shown that M2F transexuals exhibit a different brain structure to men in one or more aspects and have more similarities with genetic women. (though cause and effect has not yet been proven).

What religion can do is help you to live a better life, whilst spirituality (rather than dogma) can help you be closer to God, if you believe in Him in any form. But using religion as a way to 'cure' people of something that isn't even a disease or an affliction is preposterous. What it can do is suppress your emotions, numb your longings and control you.

Recently I saw an interesting TV programme on Discovery- the true story of a boy named Bruce Reimer who was conditioned by an 'expert' psychiatrist into being a girl after a botched circumcision left him with little genitals to speak of. The procedure was previously applied to hermaphrodites only. The newborn underwent various procedures and took hormones and lived all his young life as Brenda. Unhappy throughout his/her childhood, young Brenda behaved very much like a little boy. Eventually Brenda's father told his rebellious child the truth. Brenda's first though was to hunt down the doctors who botched his circumsision. Instead, he left home and tried to begin his new life as a man, becoming David. He commited suicide last year aged 38.

The programme went on to highlight why conditioning doesn't work, citing psysiological brain differences in men and women and noted how M2Fs have brains more similar to women than men. I believe that in the same way conditiong cannot work for tgs. I don't think any amount of conditioning, coaxing, uneccecssary therapy or drugs could convince Vicki, Danielle or Alalnnah to be masculine macho men (and looking at them, who would want to!)

Jerry Leach means well but I think he is misguided and wrong in his theories and ultimately he, like many other religious zealots, does more harm than good.

Increase the peace.

[Chica]

Ive read various stories about the conditioning, and it does seem totally true.

All I can say to what you said above is:

AMEN

[Ecstatic]

ecstatic u rabble rouser..i think this one is just too easy...ill just mention how funny it is that people skim over the part that its a xian thing..as though its just a side thing that they happen to be xians and not the sole factor in their irratic thinking...didnt i say i was gonna leave this one alone?:) ok....

and i still believe that most people on this site are on my side here, its just a tough battle when ur up against danielle, vicky, felicia, etc and expect to get support:) And quite honestly, our differences aside, i think some of the intelligent girls on the site may actually respect passion and upfront guys more than nod along phoney admirers...
Yeah, J, I just meant that as a little nudge and a wink in your direction. I'm glad you took my jest in good humor, as intended. And I agree with you: regardless of one's convictions, it's better and I think more respected by thinking people at least to be upfront, honest, and open than a "nod along phoney admirer" or a pretentious sod who doesn't even know himself. What I don't like is what this guy Jerry Leach is all about: telling others what to think and believe. It's one thing to state your posistion on an issue, and quite another to attempt to impose that position on others and insist that they are wrong--or, in this case, worse than wrong, sinful and sick. That's totally depraved, even if it's well-intended--maybe more so.

LG, you nailed it in a succinct, concise, and articulate post. Well said.

[Felicia Katt]

It's one thing to state your posistion on an issue, and quite another to attempt to impose that position on others and insist that they are wrong--or, in this case, worse than wrong, sinful and sick. That's totally depraved, even if it's well-intended--maybe more so.


except for the sinful part, isn't that EXACTLY what J's posts do??

Felicia

[Ecstatic]

Well, yes. I wasn't going to put such a fine point on it. J has all too often crossed that line. But not always, and I think his last few have been much more even handed. Plus I give him props for being open, honest, and candid, but again that can easily go too far and he seems to seek to impose his opinion and beliefs on others. I have no problem with someone speaking his or her mind, but leave it with "my opinion." The most overlooked of Jesus' teachings, I think, is the call to "judge not, lest you be so judged."