Sales"man"ship!!!!!!!!

[intensity]

Ok, let's face it. The overwhelming majority of shemales are prostitutes and an overwhelming majority of their admirers are would-be johns. I know there are those few out there (men) who claim to be looking for a
t-girlfriend, but I doubt that many of these men are really willing to take these girls home to meet the folks or out with the boys. If that's you, then God bless you for having the balls (no pun intended).
Now to my point. Do these shemale prostitutes know anything about salesmanship?? When a man goes to a prostitute, tg or gg, he is looking for one thing; to feel as if he is desired. It is a fantasy situation and the job must be done right. I know that the majority of these tg's aren't into what they are doing, but they chose to be a prostitute, so play the damn part. For me, it starts on the phone. I can't tell you how many shemale prostitutes I have called with money in my pocket, ready to go, only to be completely turned off by their phone etiquette. Girls, you need to sell it and you need to continue selling it right up until you say goodbye at the door. This is how you get regulars and make money. If you choose to be a whore, be a whore. For christ's sake, the majority of my sessions involve me paying a shemale to suck her off, fuck my ass and come in my face.......easy money.

[peb]

>The overwhelming majority of shemales are prostitutes

That's quite an assumption.

>the majority of my sessions involve me paying a shemale to suck her off, fuck my ass and come in my face.......easy money.

They can't come with every guy they see though..plus, i doubt all of them enjoy fucking guys (even if they are willing to do it) and certainly not every guy that comes to see them..easy money still? Maybe..maybe not..I've never been a tgirl escort so i'll reserve judgement.

As for the phone thing, girls have said to me that they get a shitload of guys who call up just to jerk off over the phone, with no intention of coming to see them..So i can understand why some girls are not especially polite. Oddly enough one of my favourite girls has a rather rough phone manner, but in person is very nice.

You raise some good points but bottom line, i for one am absolutely addicted to the experience and will keep coming back..its a bonus if they are nice; i try to be too..

[intensity]

Blah, Blah, Blah...............stop kissing ass.......you know damn straight that the majority of shemales are prostitutes.....my point here is to advise these prostitutes, and real women too, that you have to sell it on the phone......I have recently been seeing a shemale who sold it great on the phone and totally sells it in person........maybe she's really into me, maybe not....I am young and good looking, but the point is that she completely fulfills the fantasy......being a prostitute is not just about SEX damn it!!! It's about creating the illusion of desire.......

If all the ho's in this city knew how to sell it, they could probably get out of the game a lot sooner

[TrueBeauty TS]

Blah, Blah, Blah...............stop kissing ass.......you know damn straight that the majority of shemales are prostitutes


If by "shemales" you mean transsexuals in general, then I doubt the majority of them are prostitutes.

Don't forget, if you only know trannys from Porno DVDs, Shemale web sites like this one and Eros ads, you are going to have a skewed view of this population because that's the only environment you see them in.

In truth, there are thousands of trannys living and working in the "civilian" world that are not prostitutes.

[peb]

Escorts sometimes act bad for the same reason a dog licks its balls, cause they can..Bottom line: if you are unhappy with a particular girls attitude or service don't go back..
Not exactly rocket science is it?

Spare us the lectures on how to give good service though, you self-righteous cunt.

[dajuicy]

im not going to get into any debate about hoes, prostitutes, number of transexuals in the mainstream etc...but i'll throw in my two cents.....as a guy who has been strolling for t girl action for years and going with a small number of t girl escorts and reading religiously the reviews of girls from all over the country i will say this....Among the rank and file of t girls that make their livelihood from tricks like myself, a vast majority of them, at least in my expereince will work you good, provide mediocre service, sometimes at best , and many times with a big fat smile....stanky body order, short time span, eninvolved in the sex.....actually to the point of bordome......I along with many many others, even the dudes who have finaly found nirvana , a good t girl escort, will tell you that this game for us, johns, is a fking crapshoot.....you get a girl who has popped a nut less than an hour ago, and you going to get a limp dick for your 200 bucks...thanks but no thanks....and the money rules the roost....a girl can be coming in some john's ass, and telling the next client on the phone, yea, baby, im almost done, give me 10 minutes.....i often read the john's reviews of girls, and its amazing how many guys literally get ripped off.....15 minutes of a lacadaasical blowjob and they are walking stunned out of some hoes apartment......now of course, this game is like herion, you get that first good high, you are always chasing it.....so like myselfk you have had a few "remarkable" sessions along the way...where the t girl, actually had you believeing you were desirable, and layed some rightous dick on you, then you are always out there looking to find that shit again.....of course if you are a bad assthug top guy, that has game, all this is just a little "bitches" lament...cause you guys are working t girls for free ass,....and getting it...and even when you dont, even if you are paying, you are percieved differently than the bottom population. T girls in general i think the escort kind, dont really respect any guy that is slobbering over their dicks.....we are little closet case queens to them...fags in denial.....so they feel quite comfortable in playing us anyway they can......now there are a few "top" girls, who are cool and respectful, and actually dont fall into this catagory, but theyare few and far betweeenn......and i always think, why whey why a girl turns a sour trick....doesnt deliver on any level..the guy is never never never going to come back.....is it then any wonder that the few quality providers in like nyc seem to get a tremendous number of return customers...comon....you have a good nut and fun....chances are you are going to go back....you have a soft dick, attitude, and stanky ass, you are NEVER GOING BACK........yea....so i agree, intensity...wake the fuck up girls, or take a job at the post office.....

[intensity]

right on dajuicy....I always like what you have to say......we've chatted before on btg (I use vagabond there)........and this "peb" character calling me a self righteous cunt for telling these ho's how to give service...what the hell.......I am dead on and you are just kissin ass thinkin some ts is gonna see your post on here and want to be your lady....dream on

and yes, by shemales, I mean pre-ops......I ain't no fucking statistician, but they all seem to be ho's......so if I'm wrong, I'm wrong...but I doubt it......seems like 90% of the ts's on this board are ho's

and you peb...you either have a bad job, a fat wife, or a very small acorn dick......or all three.....bless you ya little fuckhead

[gaiseric]

Intensity, you seem to have a real problem in taking criticism or disagreement to your views. The only person you haven't given a mouthful to is dajuicy purely because he agrees with your point of view.
You say you have been turned off by the phone etiquette of innumerable escorts. Judging by what appears to be your 'anti' attitude to them, could it be that they are giving back to you what you are giving them and that is attitude. I've never had an attitude problem with any of the escorts I have spoken to in London. Maybe that's because I treat them as ladies first and escorts second.
Just a thought 8)

[wbilly]

Since this is essentially a porn and sex industry forum, it's obvious that most of the girls are likely to be pros. In general, though, it is really, really wrong to say that "90%" or the "overwhelming majority" of pre-op transgenders are hookers. I have a permanent relationship with a transgender and we have hundreds of friends and acquaintances. The overwhelming majority are not in the sex business and have real lives.

I sympathize with your search for quality providers. It's a caveat emptor situation and "johns" are usually treated as "johns" - that is, given the least service at the highest possible cost. The rip-off is the norm. Unfortunately, it's up to the customer to try his best to find a quality provider. A wise shopper would use "shemaleescortsreview.com" or a similar consumer forum to check out girls before spending $$$.

Good luck!

[TrueBeauty TS]

Intensity,

If you talk to the girls on the phone the same way you talk here, it's no wonder you get a bad attitude from them. They are giving it right back to you. Underneath all your ghetto talk posts lies a (not so subtle) undercurrent of distrust, dislike and disrespect for escorts in general. Maybe some of it is warrented, but that's still not going to get you a good experience with a girl.


Are there bad, uncaring and rude escorts out there? Yeah, I'm sure there are. Just as I'm sure there are bad, uncaring and rude Johns out there. Sex is a powerful draw. Girls know this. No matter how much guys say they will give up TS girls, eveyone knows they will be back. If a girl can make a living doing the minimum amout of service, then why put more effort into it for the same result? That's just human nature. She will still get plenty of guys to see her. Once in awhile, you might come across someone that really enjoys what they do, or just "clicks" with you. Just think of that as a bonus.

My advice, for what it's worth.... Think of escorts as real human beings. Not some thing or product. Go into each situation with an open mind and a positive attitude and see what happens. If you get bad service, move on and don't go back. If you liked the experience, then keep seeing that person.

Hot looking people can start to look not-so-hot if they have a bad personality, and average people can start to look better if they have a good personality. That holds true for both men and women.

[Felicia Katt]

Ignoring all of the offensive assumptions and insulting generaliztions in Intensity's post, its a two way street, sweetheart. If you want a Girlfriend experience, act like a boyfriend, not someone from Consumer Reports. If you act like a girl is nothing but a whore, don't expect to be anything other than a john to her.

Felicia

[Ecstatic]

Excellent point, Felicia. I definitely seek a GFE (if I weren't married, I'd probably be seeking an LTR for that matter, but that's a different issue) and I always, insofar as is possible, "act like a boyfriend." I love to bring a girl I'm seeing a little gift--chocolates, roses, maybe even a little jewelry or something more personal if I know her well--and I think that helps break the ice right up front. Of course I know I'm not a boyfriend, anymore than she's a girlfriend, but as you say it's a two-way street, and for the session (and if you're lucky and hit it off, beyond) you can help make the illusion that much more real. Couple that with good manners and grooming and all the aspects which shouldn't need to be said (but which apparently do), and the odds for a memorable and enjoyable session are greatly improved.

Of course, I've seen some girls who don't care, and that's OK; I'll see them once and that's it. But in the three years I've been seeing TS escorts, I have become friends with two girls and that has enriched my life beyond measure. Yes, I'm still a client (what, is this the hair club for men, LOL), but I've also seen these girls socially and converse with them often on many subjects. Now I'm extremely picky in who I'll see; the initial thrill has been met many times over and I'd rather see someone I know and like and who likes me than risk cold calling someone I've never seen before. I guess that makes me a "regular" and I enjoy that--closest my life circumstances will let me come to an LTR with someone other than my loving wife (and I'm endless grateful to her for being so accepting of my outside interest).

[intensity]

I think you all need to read my post carefully.......I am talking about the salesmanship that is used on the phone and that's all.......I am not talking about in person encounters, because the only encounters I have had lately are with those providers who "sold it" on the phone......I am assuming that the providers want to make money, so all I am suggesting is that if you want to make money and attract customers, then try and be sexy and inviting on the phone....it's so simple......being a prostitute is acting and unfortunately, most tg's (and gg) prostitutes sound depressed and uninviting on the phone.......now perhaps they are depressed, but they are selling themselves......so sell it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and I am always polite and decent (and very generous) with all those I interact with......

and I only got verbally agressive with that peb character because he called me a cunt for suggesting how a provider should provide service......customer service....I am the customer, I know what I want...

try an experiment ladies.........don't be a dud on the phone.....act sexy, sell it and I'll bet my bottom dollar that your business increases

[Felicia Katt]

Do these shemale prostitutes know anything about salesmanship?? When a man goes to a prostitute, tg or gg, he is looking for one thing; to feel as if he is desired. It is a fantasy situation and the job must be done right. I know that the majority of these tg's aren't into what they are doing, but they chose to be a prostitute, so play the damn part. For me, it starts on the phone. I can't tell you how many shemale prostitutes I have called with money in my pocket, ready to go, only to be completely turned off by their phone etiquette. Girls, you need to sell it and you need to continue selling it right up until you say goodbye at the door. This is how you get regulars and make money. If you choose to be a whore, be a whore. For christ's sake, the majority of my sessions involve me paying a shemale to suck her off, fuck my ass and come in my face.......easy money.

the part about Phone etiquette is buried in the middle of an entire diatribe about whores, implying, with some anger, that they are lazy or not very smart. If your intention was to merely complain about phone manners, you didn't do a good job of communicating that. Maybe that same problem holds true for your phone calls to escorts?

Felicia

[Chica]

i'll say how i feel upon this situation

"The vast majority of transgenders are escorts."

No, the vast majority that you've heard of before are escorts.
How many times have you walked down a street and thought "That could be one right there..." I have - and you have absolutely NO idea.

1 in 1000 have issues with crossdressing, transgenderism etc. Now lets look at the statistical point of view.

6,000,000,000 people in this world Lets say its exactly 50/50 for men and women to make it easy. 1 in 1000 of that is 3,000,000 - and that is a lot, compared to 1 in 1000.

1 in 100 of them go for the operation of some sort. thats 30,000 worldwide on average. Can you list 30,000 escorts?

Ok, about the phone manner.

You walk into a bar, and you see an attractive person dancing with friends, you do something to grab her attention and doesnt look at you. You bump into her and she turns around and says sorry, and turns back again. You go grab hold of her and she moves away. Theres two reasons for this. She's either physically not attracted to you, or isn't looking for a quick one around the back.

Myself, i'm not looking for that, all I want to do is settle down with someone I like, personality is a massive thing for me. Yeah Brad Pitt is nice looking, but he might be a pure arsehole in real life thats why I don't go nuts about him...

I've said what i've needed to, and I hope people read what I had to say rather than have a quick flick through it.

Thank you,
Rachel

[peb]

First off intensity, i couldn't give a fuck if you (or any of the people on this board) think i'm a prick, you're way off with your 'just kissing ass' argument..

The whole escort thing works on the basis of there'll always be another customer coming along soon, that's a given..The girls run their own business, and are the product/service offered, so they get to set the rules..simple eh?
NB. this isn't ass-kissing, it's just an observation of simple supply and demand.

The point is, you're just whining..its like ringing up a business and telling them how they can serve people better..unless you actually have something useful to offer, they're just gonna go 'WTF?'

[TeeLover]

I don't think there is any definitives in this "field". People are people and some act like they act and others act like THEY act. But most, if not all, will respond to they way they are treated or perceived.

If some are just out "ho'ing" they'll act that way. If you start out with that perception in in mind when dealing with them they'll respond that way. Treat people with an open mind and respectful manner and, for the most part, they'll respond in a positive manner.

I've only dealt with one girl on the phone and she was as sweet as could be. India Foxx, I think it was. We traded an email or two and the phone calls were a very nice thing. No attitudes - just nice.

Another time at 7969 I struck up a conversation with a little cutie outside while we were enjoying a smoke break. The exchange was just like dealing with any other cute girl. Just a plain old nice back and forth deal. We met the next day at her place, spent an hour or two together, had a great time, and she was not expecting anything. She didn't ask but I left her a gift so she could buy something for herself. SHe loved it. And she was a worker but our initial contact was nice enough that she didn't think of it as a "ho-down". Just a nice casual meeting between two people.

Now, there are other girls who work and they will let you know it in no uncertain terms. Some of them - the nicer you are the more they "squeeze". They reel in the sucker and let them know it the whole time.

People are people. They all act & respond differently but for the most part - treating people the right way usually works best.