Why the Cock?

[eclipse2000b]

Mega responded to Danielle's joke about cocks and a battle royal commenced. But I think that her joke, while most likely meant in a humorous sense points out that transwomen often don't understand the fascination with dicks that many chasers seem to have. Most of us are ambivilant about ours at best and hate them at worst. A hung guy is desirable in bed, but it's certainly not a prerogative for women in choosing a guy.

Let me explain. A lot of the threads on this board are about the biggest cocks in porn, who can get hard, which escort 'tops' best, etc. The cock seems to be the focus for a lot of the chaser community. Nothing wrong with loving cocks, but I don't think it's a perspective that most women, gg or tranz can comprehend very easily. Cock worship seems to come to you guys naturally, (although it may be a process too) but it's not something that is innate to most women. It's kind of mystifying to me. In fact, I'd argue that the cock worship perspective is more closely paralleled by 100% gay men. If you've seen their boards, the posts are very similar to transfans topics; it's just that they are praising Caesar instead of a transwoman.

Women don't look at a guy and immediately start thinking about cock size. From talking with gg women and trans women the penis rarely comes up, and when it does it's kind of a giggly thing. The more important things for women seem to be masculinity, attentiveness, honesty, eyes, hair (no mullets please!!), arms, teeth (believe it or not) and stability. Finding out your guy has a big thing is kind of a bonus, not a piece of criteria to choose a perspective partner. So I think we have a totally different perspective on attractiveness and find all of the cock posts jarring and even a bit funny. I mean humorous in a not "I'm better than you" kind of attitude, but funny as in 'whatever..."

I guess many of my sisters don't understand your fascination with dicks anymore than you can fathom why we stick ourselves in the ass with progynon depot, have silicone pumped, and for some of us, vaginaplasty.

[Ecstatic]

Hi eclipse,

Interesting post. A couple of related observations, which may shed a little light from some other perspectives. First of all, I would observe that men in general are more visually oriented and certainly more visually stimulated than women. In accord with that, men are also drawn to the most obviously desirable aspects of a woman: with gg women, it's typically their breasts, legs, ass, and face. Look at the absurd degree some gg women (and a few tranzwomen) go to to enhance their breasts to ridiculous proportions: whether anatomically unlikely like Pamela Anderson prior to her breast reduction surgery a couple of years back, or the utterly absurd melons on steroids that some strippers tote (boobs weighing 20, 30 pounds each), all to draw men's attention.

With tranzwomen, you are right, many men focus on the cock: it's what sets them apart, pure and simple. Moreover, for many it's an acceptable way of being into cock without being gay (all other points of view on the "Am I gay" issue aside for the moment). Additionally, while I don't doubt that you're right that many or even most (but thankfully not all) tranzwomen are either ambivalent about their cocks or actually hate them, the fact is within the escort/adult entertainer fields of play, they emphasize their cocks to make money. Look at the number of escort ads for tgirls with 9, 10, 11 "reasons to call me" or 10x8 "cold steel pipe" (ouch, that would be huge). Yes, they advertise this to attract customers, but it also reinforces the perception.

I'm not convinced that your generalization of gg's regarding cock is true; yes, I do think it's a "giggly" thing--that's how women often treat sexual subjects anyway--but I think that a fairly substantial number of gg women are indeed attracted to big cocks and seek them out--or are at least very gratified to find them. Or maybe I've been fooled by so many Hollywood movies and TV shows looking for Mr Goodbar.

Do I love cock? Of course I do. Is it what attracts me most? Well, to a tgirl, in a sense, yes, because it's what physically immediately sets her apart from g-girls. So it's the first thing I think of if I'm deliberately either looking at pictures or calling a girl for a session. But it's far from the only thing, or even the most important. What is most important to me? Personality, which hopefully will lead to friendship or at least a pleasurable, mutually satisfying encounter. But not much personality comes across in photos; so before I get to know a girl, the most important thing to me is her overall look: is she attractive, feminine, maybe even beautiful? Her eyes, her smile, her lips, her face: these are tops. Her body type: I have always been attracted to slender, supple girls (gg or tg). There are several voluptuous tg's who I consider beautiful, but who don't attract me immediately as a more slender girl would. I'm thinking of someone with a cyclist's or runner's physique. Breasts are a big draw for me, but not necessarily by virtue of size: large or small, I love those which look natural and proportional to a girl's physique. Her legs also attract me. How big her cock is, isn't all that important, so long as it's big enough to enjoy and not so big it hurts if she tops me--say, 5" to 8" and 4" to 5" around. The ideal cock: 6.5"x4", with a nice upward curve. In photos, it's a different matter: an attractive girl with a big stick makes for an exciting photo shoot, but that's the visual thing again.

Happy holidays, eclipse and everyone else!

[tjinla]

We worship cocks because we are gay. The guys that worship cock and say they are straight are pathological liars.

[phungu2]

We worship cocks because we are gay. The guys that worship cock and say they are straight are pathological liars.

then why arent we attracted to a man who looks, dresses and acts like a man?

I've been in countless gym lockerrooms, showers, etc with naked men, and never once became the least bit mentally or physically excited. I can assure you that in a womens lockerroom, I'd be a tripod pretty quick.

also, i get hit on all the time by gay guys, and am repulsed by it.

one theory might be that excessive (& especially early adolescent) hetero masturbation, obviously involving extended intimate handling (& watching even) of your dick, while staring at naked chicks leads to a cock fetish. that cock however is only sexually exciting when it belongs to you or is attached to what for all outward appearences is a woman.

From my discussions with trannies, and tranny chasers, it seems that many chasers are also into big boobs on a female (gf or ts). in other words, prone to fetishes.

opinions?

[Ecstatic]

We worship cocks because we are gay. The guys that worship cock and say they are straight are pathological liars.
I suppose if you worship cock...you're more than gay, you're freakin' obessed. Gay men are not de facto cock worshippers; in fact, cock in and of itself may play a small role for a gay man since it's the whole person that attracts him--just like eclipse says about gg's and tg's regarding degree of interest in a guy's cock. For some gay men, finding Mr Goodbar is the thing, but that's certainly not true for all or even most gay men. I love cock, and have since my first encounter far too many years ago to mention. But I also love women, and pussy, and sex altogether. I'm bisexual, I love sex with men and women, but I'm only romantically or emotionally attracted to women. On the physical level, with a guy, for me, it's all about the cock; with women, it's the whole enchilada: her body, her face, her personality, everything about her. That's why I'm so deeply attracted to tg's: I have all the attraction of a beautiful woman, plus the excitment of a cock. At the most visceral level, that's the turn on for me.

Of course, this subject has been discussed and debated ad nauseum, and will continue to be so. But I will maintain that claiming that all guys who are into tgirls are gay is absurd: some are gay but won't or can't admit it, and see a transwoman as a face-saving way to indulge; some are bi and find transwomen the most satisfying partners because they combine "the best of both worlds"; and some are "straight" (or perhaps slightly bent :P ) as phungu2 says, and are only attracted to women or transwomen, but not to men in any way. I don't think this last category--which I think is the broadest, largest of the three--is denial, so long as one has honestly and openly considered all aspects of one's sexual makeup. People will debate this point back and forth; it doesn't bother me because I'm in the second group (bi), not the third (str8 but attracted to tgirls). As to whether you're in the first or third group, I think the degree of focus on a girl's cock is telling: if it's all about the cock, then it's the first group for you, but if it's about her femininity plus her cock, then it's the third group.


From my discussions with trannies, and tranny chasers, it seems that many chasers are also into big boobs on a female (gf or ts). in other words, prone to fetishes.
Yes, I think you're right, and so are many tgirls who opt for the largest possible boobs and/or ass, to the point sometimes of looking cartoonish. There are many fetishes within any larger set. For me, the fetish is for a tg to look as naturally feminine as possible. Some do with large boobs, some with hormone-induced "puffies."

[dajuicy]

two intelligent, thoughtful, posts, that you wont find fking anywhere but here.....thank you for this goddamn board, its great.....dajuicy

[eclipse2000b]

Ecstatic good reply as ususal. I agree with most of what you wrote. (except for about women and I generally think you are consistantly wrong in your assessment of women 8) Nevertheless i think you are right that men more visual. But I still don't get it. Everytime I come to this board there are several posts about "just cocks" "stuffed panties," or someone asking what transwoman has got the biggest dick. I mean would it be correct to say that 90% of chasers have a penis fetish? I mean to me, a dicks a dick. Once you've seen one... Yet all of the endless posts of dicks here.... I just don't get it? Is a dick that erotic to men? I didn't want this to degenerate into ru gay debate. But I do n't quite understand how all of this dick attraction works...

[Ecstatic]

I don't think it's the dick in itself. I don't agree that a dick's a dick--there's a great variety in size (length and thickness) and some variance in shape, cut or uncut--but yes, there's not so much difference as all that. But is there all that much difference in boobs? or legs? or even faces? well, faces, yes, but it's all packaging. It's the person inside that really is unique and makes the difference. But for that you have to get to know someone. At the level of looking at photos, that doesn't really enter into it, except perhaps as fantasy.

I agree that women--including transwomen--as a group are not as visually oriented nor as interested in looking at attractive men as men are in looking at attractive women. (Interestingly, as you point out these ways in which women and transwomen are much alike, you're underscoring the fact that transwomen are women, and that men can be attracted to them as women, not as men with boobs--thus, as str8 men, not as gay men.)

But yes, a dick--to a man who is excited by the penis--is that erotic to a man. What I find most erotic is a very feminine photo of a tgirl which doesn't show her "manhood" at all--yet I know it's there. That's exciting to me. I don't need the closeup shot of the dick, and usually that uninteresting. But I do like the bulging panties shot--where the dick is hidden but obvious. That's exciting, to me. But I also get tired of "just dicks" or what transwoman has the biggest tool. In fact, since I enjoy being bottom, I wouldn't want a girl to have the biggest tool--I could never handle that!

Is it correct that 90% of chasers have a penis fetish? I don't know, that seems extreme. You see it here, because this forum is to a large degree driven by that very subject, and many of the guys here have never been with a transwoman, and just come here to fantasize. I know I did for a long time...then I corrected the error of my ways and have been very glad for it ever since. But these guys are going to focus on the penis because that's what sets the tgirls apart from g-girls (at least most obviously), and because it's a safe way to indulge their fetish without risk of "coming out." What do you think?

Great dialogue! I always enjoy your comments. Consistently wrong in my assessment of women? Hmmm, I'll have to think about that. I try not to be, but I'm always looking to improve my understanding.

[magic9inch]

the comment he dude made was gay. i dont worshipp shit. i only get with ts cause is a fetish. thats it

[RangeHova]

First let me applaud this post. GREAT all the way around.

As far as the dick goes I think much of it has to do with the fact that this is a porn based board. The premier focus here is sex and like others have said the dick is that thing that makes T-girls most differnt than GG girls.

I came to the T-girl world not wanting a thing to do with a girl's dick. I vecame attracted to a few girls but did not want to have anything to do with that part of these women. After gettinga involved with one particular girl I learned to love her whole body.

To my own amazement, I found her dick to be quite attractive, in fact pretty, although it was not what you would call small it was/is very sexy. Hormones had made it very smooth, her skin was silky smooth. I had seen dicks before but hers was different.

But since then I have developed an appreaciation for a woman with a pretty penis. Size isn't really and issue but fuctionality is, for me. But a big one can just be more to look at. More is almost always a good thing be it a longer set of legs, a longer clitoris, a bigger smile, wider eyes, a fatter ass, thicker thighs, rounder fuller hips, fuller lips. Outside of waist and stomachs, men like the things that they enjoy to be 'more'. But only in rare insatnces does it become on a level of fetish. It's like big breast, most men love big breast and you will hear more talk about big breast than small ones. Most breast based porn is focused on big breast. However most of these same men will go equally gaga over a pretty set of B cups.

[TeeLover]

Great thread!

If I might drop my 2 cent load of wandering thoughts in:

I always felt that the extreme proportions were directed at a particular audience; like the GG strippers do, etc. The bigger the better mentality that fuels the exaggerations in the TG ads shows it as well. I'll never figure out the attraction to a breast that looked like half a basketball; without the natural shape of a breast. The curvature of them is what I find the most attractive. And of course the "texture" of them. I'm what you would call a tit-man - I love them. I love dogs too. Sticking a furry tail on a saw-horse don't make it a dog anymore than a huge half-globe of non-moving substance under a nipple makes it a tit.

I don't consider myself to be "gay" but have often wondered about my attraction to TG's. They're a fascinatingly beautiful thing - most of the time. I don't care for the strong hustle, the exaggerated proportions or the Hollywood Starlet type. I considered the fact that perhaps TG's, for me, were a way of some sort of gay self-acceptance (or denial?). But after having a roll or two with one guy or another (trying to determine things) I realized that it did nothing for me at all. I didn't get it. I'm not a bottom by any means and for the most part don't get the assfuck thing as a top. Pictures of dicks don't do it for me and I feel no attraction to guys at all in any way. I can acknowledge the fact that a guy might be handsome or good looking in his own right and not feel threatened by it. I can appreciate a guy having a good build but mainly from a point of envy (bastard). When I stand at a urinal I have no desire to sneak a peek as I see so many others do.

I DO have a fascination with some - not all - dicks. The "pretty" dicks as I think it was mentioned in another post. I've no interest in the big, size queen aspect of it. Just a nice smooth "pretty" dick - like a lot of the girls have. Put that together with the feminine aspect and the smooth skin and I'm happy. Like a big ole clittie. It's just one more thing to give pleasure to the other person with.

Some Asians are in that catagory and one of my "check it out" encounters was with an attractive young Asian guy. I thought perhaps the smaller, smoothie thing could have been a misinterpertation on my part and perhaps it was a "twinkie" thing that I was looking for. It wasn't. It felt nice - smooth and enjoyable but a major aspect was missing. That aspect was the feminine aspect. And I'm not talking about being effeminate (sp) or acting like a girl, but actually being one from the soul.

You know, you can dress up as one, act like one or even alter yourself to look like one but it really does come from inside.

[LBCDO]

I understand the frustration from both sides, TS and male. The simple fact is that you must realize that you are dealing with men. Im on nobody side when I type this, and not legitimizing anything. You have your average guy who is looking for info on TSs on the internet. What do you think your average male is going to look for at any given time? Either dating or XRated pics and video, because very few men are interested in pageant info, SRS info, where to buy hormones, etc. A lot of guys dont get involved that far. So your average guy here came accross this site while looking for something adult related. So what do you think the focus of most of their post is going to be concerning?

Hey, there are guys who are actually open to decent conversation, and some who are faking the funk like they are. But when you hear about the penis admiration and tit size, etc. then you think its a problem. But many forget what guys talk about with each other in terms of the opposite sex. 99% of the time, its about whos ass is fat, how good the head is, etc. etc. etc. Sorry, but true. Want an example? Ask a guy friend who was the best lookig girl they seen in the past 2 weeks and they will tell you the hair color, race, then descibe the ass and breast. Simple fact. There are more guys than girls on this site, so they guys wish not to be tactful.

[RangeHova]

Also, we have to remember that the penis is the most widely recognized symbol of sexuality.

Even for guys that are into TS women that will choose to have no contact with the penis they still want it there.

As much as I will check out a TS porn video or website and as much as I will admire a nice big dick, a big dick really ain't that high on my list when it comes to actual dating a t-girl, ot even if we just talking meaningless sex. Maybe if I were a bottom I'd feel differently.