IMUS IMUS IMUS.........................

[Quinn]

I've read the articles you linked earlier. One article actually sought and quoted Rush Limbaugh -- RUSH LIMBAUGH -- so that one was automatically dismissed, and the other one from Ridley was basically a shameless one-sided hit piece on Jackson by one of his detractors. Though they, and other articles I've read, confirm that Jackson did initially get involved with the Duke case, the key word is initially.
Being unaware of their involvement in the Duke rape case, you requested links establishing that Jackson and Sharpton had, indeed, involved themselves on behalf of the accuser. Chef and I merely provided some of the top google links available.

What you seem to be avoiding is that both men rushed to support a woman whom most experts already believed was being untruthful well into the period that Jackson and Sharpton were supporting her. That they chose to do so, despite her serious criminal history, despite her having previously made a very similar claim against three other men that she had to drop due to lack of evidence, and despite the fact that she was clearly lying early on is to their eternal discredit. Jackson, for his part, when asked whether he/Rainbow Push would still pay her tuition if she was lying, specifically stated that he would. What integrity the man must have to reward that sort of conduct, thereby encouraging it in other women. Bottom line: Jackson rushing to support this woman – based solely on the color of her skin – regardless of whether she was telling the truth or not makes him no better than any white racist he might oppose.


Many out there who don't know Jackson -- AND MANY HERE DON'T FROM WHAT I'VE READ.
With all due respect, I know enough about him to know the specifics of his involvement in the Duke rape case, something you didn’t. I also know the specifics surrounding Jackson’s “Hymietown” comment, and they don’t come close to matching your benign portrayal. For your edification, the true specifics are as follows:

Rev. Jesse Jackson referred to Jews as "Hymies" and to New York City as "Hymietown" in January 1984 during a conversation with a black Washington Post reporter, Milton Coleman. Jackson had assumed the references would not be printed because of his racial bond with Coleman, but several weeks later Coleman permitted the slurs to be included far down in an article by another Post reporter on Jackson's rocky relations with American Jews.

A storm of protest erupted, and Jackson at first denied the remarks, then accused Jews of conspiring to defeat him. The Nation of Islam's radical leader Louis Farrakhan, an aggressive anti-Semite and old Jackson ally, made a difficult situation worse by threatening Coleman in a radio broadcast and issuing a public warning to Jews, made in Jackson's presence: "If you harm this brother [Jackson], it will be the last one you harm."

Finally, Jackson doused the fires in late February with an emotional speech admitting guilt and seeking atonement before national Jewish leaders in a Manchester, New Hampshire synagogue. Yet Jackson refused to denounce Farrakhan, and lingering, deeply rooted suspicions have led to an enduring split between Jackson and many Jews. The frenzy also heightened tensions between Jackson and the mostly white establishment press.

These aren’t the only anti-Semitic comments made by Jackson over the years. Furthermore, the history of Jackson's own racism goes far beyond anit-Semitism – admitting that, when he was a waiter, he used to spit in the food of white patrons and that it “gave him a psychological gratification,” etc.


The thing that disturbs me about all this is that some of you are quick to slam Jackson and Sharpton by utilizing their past to discredit or disparage them don't or can't see this issue or position THROUGH A MINORITY PERSPECTIVE. You're most likely white and completely miss the forest for the trees. You can't relate in other words. You see Jackson or Sharpton on TV and your first thought has to be, Oh, what's that black idiot clown stirring up now..?
LMAO… I don’t know about the “black idiot” portion of your statement, but the “clown” part certainly applies, at least in relation to Sharpton. This part of your post actually addresses, indirectly, one of my main issues with Sharpton and, to a lesser degree, Jackson. Why? If a man is going to be a truly effective “civil rights leader,” he needs to have credibility outside of his own community. Copious hypocrisy on the part of an aspirant leader never results in that needed credibility. Sharpton, for his part, has next to no credibility outside the African American community. Those few outside the African American community who do take him seriously are limited to a very small portion of the white Liberal Left and, recently, since Viequez, parts of the Latino community. To the overwhelming majority of American’s he will always be the man behind Tawana Brawley, the guy on the FBI tape arranging for Kilos of cocaine to be dealt within the same community he is supposed to be protecting, and the guy with his own history or racist comments (white interlopers, diamond merchants, etc.). Jackson, for his part, used to be credible outside the African American community, but has lost a lot of that credibility over the last five years or so for reasons most people are already familiar with.


Despite whatever baggage one might attribute to them, and THEY DO have baggage, only public figures such as Jackson and Sharpton can bring light to such issues because of who they are, and it is stupid to cite and focus on things such as Hymietown or Tawana Brawley and not focus on the good they have done. Both of the aforementioned gaffes are what, some 20 years old? Is championing for economic fairness as Jackson has wrong? Healthcare? And the reason the "double standard" line falls flat with a huge thud in most cases, is that it is premised on an equal standing among two parties, and right now in this country we just aren't there yet.
While the “Hymietown” and “Tawana Brawley” incidents are distant issues, many of the other issues surrounding both the character and conduct of the not-so-dynamic duo are far more recent. Furthermore, I am surprised that you would talk of a “double standard” when you yourself are applying one. Think about it. You are asking us to look past the flaws of these two men based upon the good that they have done. Imus, by contrst – who I do not like either by the way – merits no such consideration in your posts. Why the double standard? By conservative estimates, Imus has personally raised over $40 million dollars for the charities he champions. That’s far more than Jackson and Sharpton have ever done combined. And that doesn’t even take into account the fact that Imus has never aided and abeded an individual making false accusation to destroy innocent people. Neither Jackson nor Shaprton can say that, let alone apologize for actually doing it. What integrity........


By the way, I think what Sharpton put people through in the Tawana Brawley case warrants an apology from him. I think Jackson would have done it. Sharpton claimed yesterday that because he felt the woman was convincing and telling the truth, that his actions were in accordance to that, and therefore no apology is needed.
Study the specifics of the Tawana Brawley case and you’ll quickly discover what most New York City residents already know: there’s no way Shaprton couldn’t have known she was lying. The evidence was obvious and overwhelming. Furthermore, I respectfully disagree with your position that Jackson would have apologized. Why? He still hasn’t apologized to the Duke Lacrosse players for his comments or actions in that matter, and that whole thing bares a striking similarity to the Tawana Brawley incident.


All that being said, once again, I'd like to know what every Jackson and Sharpton detractor and cynic in this thread would do in cases such as the Rutger's case?
Due to the immense hypocrisy of their positions, neither Jackson nor Shaprton should have been involved. Contrary to the unsupported assertions of some in this thread, there would have been plenty of credible African American critics who would have acted on this without Jackson or Shaprton.

Look, Real, you’re a cool poster and I definitely respect your opinion, but, on this matter at least, I don’t think we’ll be able to find common ground. I’m off to battle my insomnia. Have a good night.

-Quinn

[Realgirls4me]

I'll respond to your post tomorrow, as I also have to hit the sack in a few minutes.

[ottorocket]

The only problem I have with that take of yours, Otto, is that the former act as journalists, where those from Hollywood are just highly visible private citizens. Many out there look at a Hannity or O'Reilly as actual journalists, but they'll dismiss the Hollywood type because they aren't.

I respectfully disagree. It doesn't matter. If we are talking strictly about shaping opinions and public knowledge base, it makes no difference what podium the speaker is talking from here in America,(i won't speak for other countries). Unfortunately, how a message is received by viewers or listeners is not often dwelled upon, that that message comes from a Nobel laureate, or a self proclaimed Reverend, or a tabloid journalist. The public finds different outlets to get their own particular take on an isssue...

Take Rosie Odonell. She has a forum, a rather large venue that reaches millions of women each day...and she speaks her often rather ignorant opinions in areas of science she has herself admitted to as uneducated in. Yet she has an impressive opinion. Do these viewers who sit there, nod their heads, and rally to her side, really understand the depth of her intelligence, or limited years of education in the topics she rants about?? No. But it shapes their views (curiously why its called the View). Most cases surrounding politics, the listener/viewer has a predetermined point of view (correct or not), and is looking for validation in many ways, plus information is now disseminated through the entertainment side of television to certain demographics purely. (IE. Daily show, MTV news)etc..

I could cite, a plurality of those who oppose Coulter, Oreilly and the likes of Rush, on the left have substantially more weight, outreach, and a perceived status to espouse their pet theories, scientific "facts", to the general populus who digest it just to feel good about their own beliefs. Al Gore is a prime example. I think you get my point. YOu can pick apart the right side for being egregious, and mock Oreilly...i'm with you...but to be intellectually honest, you cannot ignore the left's iconoclastic political movers and shakers. Different points of view from different podiums..all having the same relative effects on their target audiences.

[Kabuki]

The 60's are over, it is now 2007 no need to keep opening up those wounds.

The wounds never healed though :cry:

You seem like a cool person and this in no way is a personal attack but have you ever stopped and asked yourself why the wounds have never healed?Asked yourself why the cops pull you over due to the color of your skin.Why Imus makes inflamatory comments?Perhaps if black america looked inward to see the problem instead of blaming "The Man" for everything,healing might have a chance to take hold.

How long do we have to be reminded that the reasons for the double standards are because of slavery?How many years and generations has to pass before slavery is no longer a crutch to justify double standards and reverse racism?

Have you ever studied the country of Liberia,why it was created and why it has the problems it still has today?The US government assisted in establishing that country as an independant nation for former slaves to return to Africa if they so chose.America was wrong on the slavery issue and admitted as much and offered Liberia as a way to fix the problem.Yet today Liberia is only just beginning to get its act together.Why?Do we blame "the man" here as well?

Pretty much every race and religion has been persecuted through the times at some point and yet most of these people have stood up brushed themselves off and made life better for themselves,yet when black america continues to live life according to their own rules and clearly through actions and words have declared themselves different and entitled to behaviour that is privy to just them,America has to accept it due to slavery.Chapelle says "nigga" its funny..Imus says "nappy headed" he loses his job.why? Because of slavery and how hard life is for a black person in America is what i keep hearing. You can make excuses all day long,but its a double standard which reinforces the differences between black and white america.

Dont you think that if black leaders spent as much time and effort and money ridding the black community of gangsters,gangster rappers who glorify an outlaw lifestyle,putting real money into education and jobs for the black community instead of blaming Imus and his kind for all the problems that beset the community then perhaps the healing process might proceed?

From a person who's grandfather was a black man.

I think there is less man blaming in the black community than you may realize. I don't think too many black middle class and upper class families are making those complaints. I can understand all the sides of the black community struggle. I'm educated, and my Mother has a Masters degree, and she's working on her PhD. But I still have family members in the ghetto. I'm in both worlds. I see many families working hard in the ghetto, and I see the people who sell drugs on the street.

I actually do know about Liberia, since I plan to take a trip to the region. America reluctantly supported the country. The American Colonization Society established Liberia

"The American Colonization Society was established in 1816 by Robert Finley as an attempt to satisfy two groups in America. Ironically, these groups were on opposite ends of the spectrum involving slavery in the early 1800's. One group consisted of philanthropists, clergy and abolitionist who wanted to free African slaves and their descendants and provide them with the opportunity to return to Africa. The other group was the slave owners who feared free people of color and wanted to expel them from America.

Both the these groups felt that free blacks would be unable to assimilate into the white society of this country. John Randolph, one famous slave owner called free blacks "promoters of mischief." At this time, about 2 million Negroes live in America of which 200,000 were free persons of color. Henry Clay, a southern congressman and sympathizer of the plight of free blacks, believed that because of "unconquerable prejudice resulting from their color, they never could amalgamate with the free whites of this country."

Liberia has had issues due to a lot of outside sources among other issues though. First, because early citizens didn't integrate with Africa. They called themselves Americans. The native Africans and the "Americans" didn't trust each other. Understandable. These "Americans" considered themselves as more civilized over the natives...hmmm...interesting. Britain and France annexed a lot of Liberian territory, and economic issues destabilized Liberia. So, there are many reasons why the country struggled like it did. Basically, like everything else...it's complex.

As for South Carolina cops....the south never truly changed in the first place. The south was pushed into change since the civil war, and you can still feel the hate in parts of the south.

I will say that black people act differently since we were ALWAYS treated differently. Change can't just happen in the black community. You need the country as a whole to change. Corporate america controls the music industry. White america supports the current music just as any part of black america. That's a fact. It's a mess, but you just can't blame every black person for the issues in our community.

In a few posts back, I posted how Sharpton and Jackson have attacked the music companies as well. As for the argument about black leaders, I was just debating the topic after viewing this link:

http://www.blackprof.com/archives/2007/03/the_case_against_black_leaders.html

I would like to have better leaders in the spotlight. Obama seems genuine, and I'm curious to see if he will take that role. I do know that we have to incorporate men of all races in a new civil rights movement. The states are from being black and white these days.

[DJ_Asia]

It is complex and you are correct change needs to happen on both sides of the fence.

I would venture to guess that if black america supported leaders that have actually earned respect transcending the color barrier such as Obama or Colin Powell.as opposed to the current usual suspects that pop up whenever they feel the time is right,then perhaps white america might actually pause to listen as opposed to automatically dismissing Jesse or Al's words as yet another example of playing the race card.

[Legend]

It is complex and you are correct change needs to happen on both sides of the fence.

I would venture to guess that if black america supported leaders that have actually earned respect transcending the color barrier such as Obama or Colin Powell.as opposed to the current usual suspects that pop up whenever they feel the time is right,then perhaps white america might actually pause to listen as opposed to automatically dismissing Jesse or Al's words as yet another example of playing the race card.

Obama or Colin Powell really haven't done anything to gain support from black america because their political positions do nothing but advance themselves and breaking the color nowadays isn't quite as powerful as it used to be (jackie robinson)i doubt any African americans would consider sharpton and jackson as any kind of leader,now if you wanted to talk about earned respect and leadership material look at deceased dr. martin luther king he earned much respect from both white and black people because he believed everyone should get along and be looked at as equals to progress as a nation.

[DJ_Asia]

It is complex and you are correct change needs to happen on both sides of the fence.

I would venture to guess that if black america supported leaders that have actually earned respect transcending the color barrier such as Obama or Colin Powell.as opposed to the current usual suspects that pop up whenever they feel the time is right,then perhaps white america might actually pause to listen as opposed to automatically dismissing Jesse or Al's words as yet another example of playing the race card.

Obama or Colin Powell really haven't done anything to gain support from black america because their political positions do nothing but advance themselves and breaking the color nowadays isn't quite as powerful as it used to be (jackie robinson)i doubt any African americans would consider sharpton and jackson as any kind of leader,now if you wanted to talk about earned respect and leadership material look at deceased dr. martin luther king he earned much respect from both white and black people because he believed everyone should get along and be looked at as equals to progress as a nation.

True on MLK but sadly he isnt around.
If what you imply about Powell or Obama is correct then thats too bad as both men have proven that regardless of skin color they have suceeded in their fields of expertise and anyone who denies their credentials as intelligent leader candidates are biased.

White america would listen much closer to them then the Rev or Al.

[Kabuki]

It is complex and you are correct change needs to happen on both sides of the fence.

I would venture to guess that if black america supported leaders that have actually earned respect transcending the color barrier such as Obama or Colin Powell.as opposed to the current usual suspects that pop up whenever they feel the time is right,then perhaps white america might actually pause to listen as opposed to automatically dismissing Jesse or Al's words as yet another example of playing the race card.

Exactly.

[tubgirl]

I heard sirius radio is hiring,oh wait they are already occupied by a jackass howard stern!

um, you realize that sirius is a pay service, right? that means you don't have to listen...

[bucatini70]

why is it that only this type of speech being held to a high moral standard when it comes from the right? i would think that it much more relevant to this day and age that the rap artist (and i use that the term artist loosely) is not held to the same standard? the lyrics are homophobic, insulting and degrading to all women, lewd and excessively crude. I don't see anyone calling Snoop Dog or Ludicrious to task or the record companies canceling contracts. When we decide to draw a line it needs to be drawn clearly and apply to all people no matter political, racial or gender affiliation.

[DJ_Asia]

why is it that only this type of speech being held to a high moral standard when it comes from the right? i would think that it much more relevant to this day and age that the rap artist (and i use that the term artist loosely) is not held to the same standard? the lyrics are homophobic, insulting and degrading to all women, lewd and excessively crude. I don't see anyone calling Snoop Dog or Ludicrious to task or the record companies canceling contracts. When we decide to draw a line it needs to be drawn clearly and apply to all people no matter political, racial or gender affiliation.

Yup that point has been raised many times in this thread...

BTW you enjoying New Years?

[lisaparadise]

who cares hes a shock jock thats his job and if people dont like it then keep it outta the music or should i say so called music, rap sucks its there fault it crept into the mainstream so dont blame imus blame the idiots who made it that way

[Legend]

who cares hes a shock jock thats his job and if people dont like it then keep it outta the music or should i say so called music, rap sucks its there fault it crept into the mainstream so dont blame imus blame the idiots who made it that way

Obviously alot of people care other wise he would probably still have a job,come on lisa it's easy to blame so one else or something he has acknowledge that it was his fault and hasn't tried to use rap as a scapegoat,individuals are responsible for their own actions.Come on if his jokes were targeted towards the transgendered community would you find a scapegoat for him so easily?This guys should be put in the same category as people like fred savage.

I am in no defending rap music just saying be responsible for your own actions.

[Legend]

lol @ all the prejudice comments on minorities in this thread. People are coming out of the closet in this thread.

You really find the true nature of people in threads such as this one,they might not even realize it.It's good you can have open dialogue but when you put more prejudice and justification into the mix it makes matters worse.

[chefmike]

who cares hes a shock jock thats his job and if people dont like it then keep it outta the music or should i say so called music, rap sucks its there fault it crept into the mainstream so dont blame imus blame the idiots who made it that way

I really like this lady!

[Legend]

who cares hes a shock jock thats his job and if people dont like it then keep it outta the music or should i say so called music, rap sucks its there fault it crept into the mainstream so dont blame imus blame the idiots who made it that way

I really like this lady!

Is that really surprising when you two share the same let's blame something else view.

[chefmike]

Legend, you're stupid.

[Quinn]

who cares hes a shock jock thats his job and if people dont like it then keep it outta the music or should i say so called music, rap sucks its there fault it crept into the mainstream so dont blame imus blame the idiots who made it that way

I really like this lady!

Is that really surprising when you two share the same let's blame something else view.

And it's equally surprising when you show an inability to recognize – let alone intelligently discuss or debate – anything of a substantive nature pertaining to these or any other events. Maybe you should just stick to shrilly insulting people who disagree with your factually myopic and uninformed perspective. Still, if that doesn’t work for you, you can always put up one of your melodramatic “since no one likes me I’m leaving” posts and then crawl back with your tail between your legs a few months later.

-Quinn

[Legend]

Legend, you're stupid.

What an intelligent post chef you really amaze me with your meaningful and thoughtful responses towards me and this subject,let me say you have added so much positive input on this topic you should be rewarded :roll:

You responses in this thread adds up to nothing more then a few co-signs and posting something from the huffington post it seems as though you can't post anything on the subject in your own words but i'll give you this your pics and responses have been quite hysterical at least now come on make me laugh!

[Legend]

who cares hes a shock jock thats his job and if people dont like it then keep it outta the music or should i say so called music, rap sucks its there fault it crept into the mainstream so dont blame imus blame the idiots who made it that way

I really like this lady!

Is that really surprising when you two share the same let's blame something else view.

And it's equally surprising when you show an inability to recognize – let alone intelligently discuss or debate – anything of a substantive nature pertaining to these or any other events. Maybe you should just stick to shrilly insulting people who disagree with your factually myopic and uninformed perspective. Still, if that doesn’t work for you, you can always put up one of your melodramatic “since no one likes me I’m leaving” posts and then crawl back with your tail between your legs a few months later.

-Quinn


I did recognize your posts toward me and i truly apologized that i didn't respond but what's really the point when your post is buried by some moron with a response towards your response which adds up to nothing more then a childish insult or two.

It's hard to debate and discuss issues like this when your being verbally asaulted with childish name calling.

I only respond to insults when they are being throw at me, i don't go out of my way here just insulting people i respect everyone until they come at me.

[chefmike]

I will give you credit for one thing, 'tardboy.

In addition to your monumental stupidity, you are also amazingly ignorant!

Bravo, zippy!

[chefmike]

Quinn, do you remember that epic post that J made regarding 'tardboy making wee-wee in his pants, and consequently being sent to his room?

[chefmike]

:roll:

Imus is Gone, Snoop Dogg Remains: Are We Happy Now?
David Bromwich

Before the self-congratulation gets any more feverish, here is one splash of cold water on the destruction of Don Imus. There was a sodden moralism in the comments on this subject in the New York Times and elsewhere that bodes ill for discussion of less worked-up issues. Imus is a known quantity--a drawling wit, vulgar entertainer, holder forth and pretend-lowbrow, a misanthrope and churl who over many years adapted himself to the gutter medium of talk radio. He is also the only interviewer who ever put John Kerry at ease (the subject, once, was basketball). He had corrosive things to say about the Iraq war, and his references to the president were often in a class with his sprawl of words about the Rutgers team. A non-denominational hater and, like certain other misanthropes, fearless as well as feckless. Can anyone believe his replacement will be made of finer stuff?
The occasion was arbitrary, the penalty outsize, the author of the majority opinion that stern moralist, Al Sharpton. In concurring, Barack Obama spoke some politic but unconvincing words about the harm that patter like Imus' could do to the self-image of his daughters. A more constant menace to habits of respect throughout the culture is the self-contempt of the rap verbiage that Imus in his studio daze could not have copied more faithfully if he had been hired to do so. This is a slang any parent of a teenager can recognize has sunk deep roots in the insult arsenal of Americans of all colors. The absurdity of the notion that Imus picked up his language from Ku Kluxers and not from 50 Cent will eventually be noticed.

Another view of the matter has been expounded by a well-qualified judge:

"It's a completely different scenario. [Rappers] are not talking about no collegiate basketball girls who have made it to the next level in education and sports. We're talking about hos that's in the 'hood that ain't doing shit, that's trying to get a nigga for his money. These are two separate things. First of all, we ain't no old-ass white men that sit up on MSNBC going hard on black girls. We are rappers that have these songs coming from our minds and our souls that are relevant to what we feel. I will not let them muthafuckas say we in the same league as him."

Snoop Dogg distinguishes the cases. Is that all right then? Imus is totally gone. Snoop Dogg is still with us. Are we happy now?

[freak]

Jackson and Sharpton are about Jackson and Sharpton, they just use the black community for there own personal gain. Jackson forgave Jimmy the Greek but the networks never did, Howard Cosell too was banished for good for saying look at the monkey go. If a white leader said it is in NIGGER TOWN or BEANER VILLE, they would never be heard from again unlike Jesse Jackson. If a white mayor smoked crack he would never work in politics again let alone become mayor again. There is a a double standard when it comes to what people say, if Jesse Jackson said CRACKER TOWN it would have never been anything but he picked on the Jews so he had to pay.

Oh I remember another Rev. Sharpton riot, when the Jewish guy hit the 2 black kids and the ambulance took the Jewish guy first, he lied and said the paramedics refused to treat the children, when they did and there was nothing they could do and another ambulance was there already. He got 4 Jewish people killed in the riots, 4 innocent people killed because they were jewish and he stood up for the rioters. That is why they do more harm then good.

The 60's are over, it is now 2007 no need to keep opening up those wounds.

Says you. How can you possibly know what is in their heart or heads? What do you know about the black community? You're exactly the type of person I've depicted upstream, in that you come from a perspective that can't possibly understand or relate to what a minority goes through, or has been through in the past. In your mind it's 2007, so we've reached Utopia and anyone challenging the status quo MUST BE out for their own personal gain, right? Talk about detached and out of touch with reality?! Both Jackson and Sharpton are products of the '60s civil Rights era, with Jackson being present when King was assasinated or did you forget, and you think he's forgotten that and out for pure personal gain? That he sold out? That he likes having his past brought up and having his name ridiculed in thousands of forums such as this one or on TV and radio by his critics and detractors? I don't.

What are you are failing to see is that they, Jackson and Sharpton, are not in the positions of power that those they take on are. People in the power or privileged class are generally not looking for affirmation or acceptance, so a white leader isn't likely to proclaim "White Power". HE ALREADY HAS POWER. Those in power who have never been oppressed in one form or another aren't crying to be let into the club. They don't need to challenge the status quo -- they make the status quo. A double standard generally comes into play when both parties are ostensibly equal, and that just isn't the case yet. I'm not saying certainly that I always agree with their methods, but I do see the need for them.

Again, you want to give me the name of one white leader on the forefront of Civil Rights today, or someone out correcting the racist and sexist remarks of a Don Imus? C'mon, surely one like you who knows what a Jackson or Sharpton is all about can surely provide a name or model of behavior in mind.

I have to take back something I said, you are a goldfish,
I might not know what is in there minds but you do? are you that naive? The Rev. Sharpton was a music promoter, the biggest crooks on the planet. And your view of a double standard is a double standard. If you have more then someone they should be able to play by different rules? DUMB ASS!! As for them not having power, are you crazy? They control the whole minority, that is a lot of power. The white leaders on civil rights? Clinton, both him and her, there are so many others, just because they are not preaching from soap boxes doesn't mean there not there.
UNREAL

[Legend]

lol @ all the prejudice comments on minorities in this thread. People are coming out of the closet in this thread.

You really find the true nature of people in threads such as this one,they might not even realize it.It's good you can have open dialogue but when you put more prejudice and justification into the mix it makes matters worse.

That's the problem. A lot of people in this forum won't admit that they are prejudice bastards. It's too difficult for them to admit it so they rather use every other aspect (rap) as a scapegoat for their prejudice or racist reasoning.

Racism in this thread has come right out the wood work from alot of members. I won't name name's though.


Don't get me wrong i think some lyrics and videos in hip hop disrespectful towards women and the community should be corrected but to put the blame on hip hip or the black community is ridiculous.

Sharpton and many others have protested rappers used of the n words for months but some how that slipped through the news media or people just don't give a damn.

[Quinn]

Quinn, do you remember that epic post that J made regarding 'tardboy making wee-wee in his pants, and consequently being sent to his room?

Damn does that bring back memories. Watching J and Legend go at each other used to make me howl with laughter sometimes.

-Quinn

[Quinn]

That's the problem. A lot of people in this forum won't admit that they are prejudice bastards. It's too difficult for them to admit it so they rather use every other aspect (rap) as a scapegoat for their prejudice or racist reasoning.

Racism in this thread has come right out the wood work from alot of members. I won't name name's though.

Unisex, you've always spoken your mind in a forthright manner. Why change that now? If you have something to say, would it not be better to speak frankly – as opposed to passive-aggressively making unsupported and vague implications. Just a thought.

-Quinn

[freak]

It is complex and you are correct change needs to happen on both sides of the fence.

I would venture to guess that if black america supported leaders that have actually earned respect transcending the color barrier such as Obama or Colin Powell.as opposed to the current usual suspects that pop up whenever they feel the time is right,then perhaps white america might actually pause to listen as opposed to automatically dismissing Jesse or Al's words as yet another example of playing the race card.

Obama or Colin Powell really haven't done anything to gain support from black america because their political positions do nothing but advance themselves and breaking the color nowadays isn't quite as powerful as it used to be (jackie robinson)i doubt any African americans would consider sharpton and jackson as any kind of leader,now if you wanted to talk about earned respect and leadership material look at deceased dr. martin luther king he earned much respect from both white and black people because he believed everyone should get along and be looked at as equals to progress as a nation.

True on MLK but sadly he isnt around.
If what you imply about Powell or Obama is correct then thats too bad as both men have proven that regardless of skin color they have suceeded in their fields of expertise and anyone who denies their credentials as intelligent leader candidates are biased.

White america would listen much closer to them then the Rev or Al.

The main reason Powell & Obama made so much of them self is because they didn't use there race as a tool and just worked hard as good men, not black men or white men, just men

[THATSMISSJUNECUZYANASTY]

Ok- so I have to clarify a few things...
and I ask that you all read and take these things into account, with an open mind void of fear and any personal anger/feelings...(though this might be virtually impossible to do- it's not the easiest topic to talk about... )
Racism and racist ideologies involve one group having the POWER to carry out systematic discrimination through the major institutions of society, By this definition only white people can be racist in our society because HONESTLY, only white people as a group have the power of true control throughout the major institutions of our society. ( To those disbelievers reading this...I can definitely supply facts supporting my statement) Rappers and singers who spew racial epithets and slurs against one another through music or everyday interactions are simply products of a system/way of thinking that will forever run itself; Racist ideas no longer require planning or initiative by a person or a group as they have already been instituted into everyones thoughts and ideas and may be forever perpetuated by all of us. This is... unless groups in power who control the media, government, etc. will help stop this thinking ALONG WITH those who have fallen victim to it. (which would be everyone other than white people...)
Don Imus is but a scapegoat...he is not really even the true villain here. (Though what he said was for lack of better words- EXTREMELY FUCKED UP!!) Like Michael Richards, Imus' remarks will cause controversy for a few weeks and probably die down after a while... diverting attention from the fact that racist ideas have and continue to infiltrate just about every aspect of this society... television, websites(LOL), print and film, etc, etc.
Don't react immediately. Think about all that I have said...
and open your eyes.

[chefmike]

lol @ all the prejudice comments on minorities in this thread. People are coming out of the closet in this thread.

You really find the true nature of people in threads such as this one,they might not even realize it.It's good you can have open dialogue but when you put more prejudice and justification into the mix it makes matters worse.

That's the problem. A lot of people in this forum won't admit that they are prejudice bastards. It's too difficult for them to admit it so they rather use every other aspect (rap) as a scapegoat for their prejudice or racist reasoning.

Racism in this thread has come right out the wood work from alot of members. I won't name name's though.

Now you're just being coy... :lol:

[Legend]

It is complex and you are correct change needs to happen on both sides of the fence.

I would venture to guess that if black america supported leaders that have actually earned respect transcending the color barrier such as Obama or Colin Powell.as opposed to the current usual suspects that pop up whenever they feel the time is right,then perhaps white america might actually pause to listen as opposed to automatically dismissing Jesse or Al's words as yet another example of playing the race card.

Obama or Colin Powell really haven't done anything to gain support from black america because their political positions do nothing but advance themselves and breaking the color nowadays isn't quite as powerful as it used to be (jackie robinson)i doubt any African americans would consider sharpton and jackson as any kind of leader,now if you wanted to talk about earned respect and leadership material look at deceased dr. martin luther king he earned much respect from both white and black people because he believed everyone should get along and be looked at as equals to progress as a nation.

True on MLK but sadly he isnt around.
If what you imply about Powell or Obama is correct then thats too bad as both men have proven that regardless of skin color they have suceeded in their fields of expertise and anyone who denies their credentials as intelligent leader candidates are biased.

White america would listen much closer to them then the Rev or Al.

The main reason Powell & Obama made so much of them self is because they didn't use there race as a tool and just worked hard as good men, not black men or white men, just men

You base that on what your personally freindship with any of those two people from your past ignorant post i doubt you even care to keep up what's going on in the african american community from your posts here.Seems like your just spewing non-sense too try and seem deep but i think the smart people on here see what your all about.I beleive people like dj asia wants true discussion where as you just spit out more prejudice.

[suckseed]

This wanker's opinion-

Firing Imus = either pandering to critics or a convenient excuse to offload the guy.

What he said = unnecessary, not funny, hurtful...and a Hallmark card compared to your average rapper.

Rappers = capable of jazz/bebop like rhythmic invention, but most choose to exist lyrically in a place that helps no one but their own careers. Most will be mere footnotes in musical history. (Like most other pop musicians, to be sure.) I'd rather listen to Innervisions, Kaya, Kind of Blue or Interstellar Space.

Generalizations about any race = lazy thinking.

Imus: Based on the 45 minutes in my entire life that I've listened to him = neither entertaining nor relevant. If the man's lived this long and still thinks this way, I say his charity money is dirty. He made his bed, let him lie in it. Somehow I doubt he's going to miss a meal.

Hypocrisy: It continues to thrive everywhere.

[freak]

Legend
there right, you are a dumb asshole.
“There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.”

[Legend]

Legend
there right, you are a dumb asshole.
“There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.”

That coming from a moronic idiot like you is laughable,funny how the finely copy and pasted quote applies to all the igorant stereotypical shit you have been spewing in this thread,who the hell jugdes people on what someone else says i'll tell you an ignorant fool with the intelligence of a baboon.

Honestly do you think anyone who has seen your posts takes you serious.

[chefmike]

You base that on what your personally freindship with any of those two people from your past ignorant post i doubt you even care to keep up what's going on in the african american community from your posts here.Seems like your just spewing non-sense too try and seem deep but i think the smart people on here see what your all about.I beleive people like dj asia wants true discussion where as you just spit out more prejudice.

Have you ever considered actually finishing your HS education, slingblade?

It would be a start, anyway...maybe you and hondarobot could carpool, 'tardboy...after all, you two are twin morons of different mothers, aren't you?

Not to worry, though.... there's always the short bus route if the whole carpool thing doesn't work out for dumb and dumber...

[freak]

Legend
there right, you are a dumb asshole.
“There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.”

That coming from a moronic idiot like you is laughable,funny how the finely copy and pasted quote applies to all the igorant stereotypical shit you have been spewing in this thread,who the hell jugdes people on what someone else says i'll tell you an ignorant fool with the intelligence of a baboon.

Honestly do you think anyone who has seen your posts takes you serious.


You base that on what your personally freindship with any of those two people from your past ignorant post i doubt you even care to keep up what's going on in the african american community from your posts here.Seems like your just spewing non-sense too try and seem deep but i think the smart people on here see what your all about.I beleive people like dj asia wants true discussion where as you just spit out more prejudice. were you drunk when you wrote this? It makes no sense, did you get out of the second grade? You are a moron, I was saying these 2 men, no mater what color they are,are two good men, GOOD MEN get it? unlike you, you are an ignorant fucking moron, and thats being kind. The more I see your post the more I think you have no clue of anything, and I am not exaggerating.

[chefmike]

Legend
there right, you are a dumb asshole.
“There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.”

That coming from a moronic idiot like you is laughable,funny how the finely copy and pasted quote applies to all the igorant stereotypical shit you have been spewing in this thread,who the hell jugdes people on what someone else says i'll tell you an ignorant fool with the intelligence of a baboon.

Honestly do you think anyone who has seen your posts takes you serious.

Case closed.

[lisaparadise]

who cares hes a shock jock thats his job and if people dont like it then keep it outta the music or should i say so called music, rap sucks its there fault it crept into the mainstream so dont blame imus blame the idiots who made it that way

I really like this lady!

Is that really surprising when you two share the same let's blame something else view. gimmie a break,just because i dont give a shit about what some idiot said on television about blacks doesnt make me a racist.i am white ya but i am also a minority in a world where people just dont understand anything outta the ordinary hey thats just life,i accept whatever comments are thrown at me but do not ever call me a racist cause i am not.the simple truth is i dont give a flying fuck what anyone sais about me unless they actually know me so i try and put myself in the shoes of a black chick and i still dont give a shit cause its so indirect and off the wall comments thats its so trivial,you people who get your snot in a knot over what someone says who you dont even know need to get a grip and worry about what real friends and family think not what imus says.as for the rap artist let me make this point crystal clear you as in blacks think you own the rights to the lingo,news flash whats good for the goose is good for the gander so show your race alittle respect and stop calling your woman hoes etc and we will all get along just fine thank you

[Legend]

Here's the deal about the whole Imus situation after further looking into it.

1)Imus being being White and of the selective market had an upper hand at his choice of words.

2)He had already planned out what he's going to say regardless of the consequence.

3) Him out of all people (being white) should have known the backlash would've caused this.

4)He didn't just say it, but who he directed at is/was the major issue. Why did he? Because he thought being a Jock and also being White would lend himself some leverage. But, it backfired on him.

He probably in all honesty didn't know what he was talking about slang wise. But, he went ahead with it. And now all the white people supporting his "Freedom of speech" is deeming his suspension and firing as wrongful.

Then they go off stating Rappers or the Rap industry is to blame. When in fact, The term "Nappy headed" is from almost what? 200 years old during the slavery days? "Ho" being derived up the industry of sex and prostitution from what? Before the Great Depression? That's like almost 75+ years back? The Rap industry is what? 29 years old? Hip hop is only 21 years into it as a subsidy of Rap. So, why keep blaming rappers for something this grown man already did? Rappers aren't calling any females from the Rutgers team "Nappy headed ho's", Imus did. Instead of just admitting Imus fucked up by getting caught by Negro leaders. They coin Al, Jess, and the rap industry as anything negative.

Al and Jess, and NAACP jobs are to either Mediate or exploit or do both. They got a 2 for 1 deal.


White people are using this as a vehicle to express their racism toward minorities (like in this thread). That's why I said previously that Freedom of speech is bullshit. If you're just prejudice or racist, just admit the shit already. Don't try and use every other aspect as an outlet to not admit your Bias.

People can say freedom of speech is what cause his firing but it was about money most of his sponsers pulled thus msnbc would lose money so they fired his ass.Many who use his firing as a vehicle for freedom of speech needs to come back to reality,they fired that moron because of money.Sponsers didn't want to associate their product with a racist bigot.

I'll agree those people who feel the same way as him shoudn't try to hide their views because it would political correct on here just come out and say how you feel.

This community is so together when it comes to transgender issues but when it comes down to racial issues either they don't care or they feel the same way as the offenders.

[Legend]

who cares hes a shock jock thats his job and if people dont like it then keep it outta the music or should i say so called music, rap sucks its there fault it crept into the mainstream so dont blame imus blame the idiots who made it that way

I really like this lady!

Is that really surprising when you two share the same let's blame something else view. gimmie a break,just because i dont give a shit about what some idiot said on television about blacks doesnt make me a racist.i am white ya but i am also a minority in a world where people just dont understand anything outta the ordinary hey thats just life,i accept whatever comments are thrown at me but do not ever call me a racist cause i am not.the simple truth is i dont give a flying fuck what anyone sais about me unless they actually know me so i try and put myself in the shoes of a black chick and i still dont give a shit cause its so indirect and off the wall comments thats its so trivial,you people who get your snot in a knot over what someone says who you dont even know need to get a grip and worry about what real friends and family think not what imus says.as for the rap artist let me make this point crystal clear you as in blacks think you own the rights to the lingo,news flash whats good for the goose is good for the gander so show your race alittle respect and stop calling your woman hoes etc and we will all get along just fine thank you

I didn't call you a racist nor did i imply that you were one and i agreee with you rap music is bad so please don't give me that you guys deserve that cause you spew it yourself line,ask yourself if he spwed his garbage towards the transgendered would you not give a "flying fuck" then.I'm sure you voiced your opinion in the micheal savage thread correct?

[chefmike]

Here's the deal about the whole Imus situation after further looking into it.

1)Imus being being White and of the selective market had an upper hand at his choice of words.

2)He had already planned out what he's going to say regardless of the consequence.

3) Him out of all people (being white) should have known the backlash would've caused this.

4)He didn't just say it, but who he directed at is/was the major issue. Why did he? Because he thought being a Jock and also being White would lend himself some leverage. But, it backfired on him.

He probably in all honesty didn't know what he was talking about slang wise. But, he went ahead with it. And now all the white people supporting his "Freedom of speech" is deeming his suspension and firing as wrongful.

Then they go off stating Rappers or the Rap industry is to blame. When in fact, The term "Nappy headed" is from almost what? 200 years old during the slavery days? "Ho" being derived up the industry of sex and prostitution from what? Before the Great Depression? That's like almost 75+ years back? The Rap industry is what? 29 years old? Hip hop is only 21 years into it as a subsidy of Rap. So, why keep blaming rappers for something this grown man already did? Rappers aren't calling any females from the Rutgers team "Nappy headed ho's", Imus did. Instead of just admitting Imus fucked up by getting caught by Negro leaders. They coin Al, Jess, and the rap industry as anything negative.

Al and Jess, and NAACP jobs are to either Mediate or exploit or do both. They got a 2 for 1 deal.


White people are using this as a vehicle to express their racism toward minorities (like in this thread). That's why I said previously that Freedom of speech is bullshit. If you're just prejudice or racist, just admit the shit already. Don't try and use every other aspect as an outlet to not admit your Bias.

People can say freedom of speech is what cause his firing but it was about money most of his sponsers pulled thus msnbc would lose money so they fired his ass.Many who use his firing as a vehicle for freedom of speech needs to come back to reality,they fired that moron because of money.Sponsers didn't want to associate their product with a racist bigot.

I'll agree those people who feel the same way as him shoudn't try to hide their views to be political correct on here behind bullshit theories just come out and say how you feel.

This community is so together when it comes to transgender issues but when it comes down to racial issues either they don't care or they feel the same way as the offenders.

Legend, you are stupid.

Legend, you are also ignorant.

Legend, you remain irrelevant, as always....

[Quinn]

Good input. I’m curious as to a few points:


He had already planned out what he's going to say regardless of the consequence.
Is this conjecture, or do you have some sort of supporting evidence (links, etc.) that you can provide to back up your assertion? If this is indeed the case, I would find it interesting as it may very well speak to his intent and differs from at least part of my current understanding.


He probably in all honesty didn't know what he was talking about slang wise.
LOL…. No doubt. Frankly, I was stunned the old fossil had ever heard the term, That he could, and would, incorporate it into a sentence was even more of a surprise.


Then they go off stating Rappers or the Rap industry is to blame.
Most of the mention I have heard of the rap industry in relation to this issue has been to use it as an example of the double standard being applied by Jackson and Sharpton. Yes, they speak out against its lyrics, but, no, they don’t pursue the issue with one-twentieth the vigor they pursue an irrelevant old fossil who ultimately means nothing to anyone.


White people are using this as a vehicle to express their racism toward minorities (like in this thread). That's why I said previously that Freedom of speech is bullshit. If you're just prejudice or racist, just admit the shit already. Don't try and use every other aspect as an outlet to not admit your Bias. .

This is the part I am most intrigued by. Don’t be passive-aggressive in making such claims. In other words, if you aren’t willing to actually back up such a claim, don’t bother making it. If you are willing to back it up, I at least am ready to listen. Specifically, who in this thread has used it as a vehicle to express racism towards minorities? How have they done so? Given that I’ve only read about half of the posts in this thread, I’m curious to see this from your perspective.

-Quinn

[lisaparadise]

who cares hes a shock jock thats his job and if people dont like it then keep it outta the music or should i say so called music, rap sucks its there fault it crept into the mainstream so dont blame imus blame the idiots who made it that way

I really like this lady!

Is that really surprising when you two share the same let's blame something else view. gimmie a break,just because i dont give a shit about what some idiot said on television about blacks doesnt make me a racist.i am white ya but i am also a minority in a world where people just dont understand anything outta the ordinary hey thats just life,i accept whatever comments are thrown at me but do not ever call me a racist cause i am not.the simple truth is i dont give a flying fuck what anyone sais about me unless they actually know me so i try and put myself in the shoes of a black chick and i still dont give a shit cause its so indirect and off the wall comments thats its so trivial,you people who get your snot in a knot over what someone says who you dont even know need to get a grip and worry about what real friends and family think not what imus says.as for the rap artist let me make this point crystal clear you as in blacks think you own the rights to the lingo,news flash whats good for the goose is good for the gander so show your race alittle respect and stop calling your woman hoes etc and we will all get along just fine thank you

I didn't call you a racist nor did i imply that you were one and i agreee with you rap music is bad so please don't give me that you guys deserve that cause you spew it yourself line,ask yourself if he spwed his garbage towards the transgendered would you not give a "flying fuck" then.I'm sure you voiced your opinion in the micheal savage thread correct?im sorry if i took it the wrong way but isnt that really the point i am trying to make with you lol im thinkin you took it the wrong way when imus spewed his toxic mouth.as for trash talkin us trans people i still wouldnt give a flying fuck cause i dont know the man sorry thats just the way i am,living fulltime and raising kids 24/7 is what matters not what others think of me or anyone else it goes in one ear and out the other.the truth is i love black men and black woman there so down to earth and very funny plus they usually have a great dick lol yayayaya the secrets out lol anyways i am sorry if my opinion offended you in any way it wasnt meant to, just wanted to say really in the grand sceme of things it shouldnt really matter what a shock jock says

[tubgirl]

White people are using this as a vehicle to express their racism toward minorities (like in this thread). That's why I said previously that Freedom of speech is bullshit. If you're just prejudice or racist, just admit the shit already. Don't try and use every other aspect as an outlet to not admit your Bias.

you have got to be fucking kidding me...

and legend, you have never acknowledged any of my points or answered any of my questions...

[Legend]

who cares hes a shock jock thats his job and if people dont like it then keep it outta the music or should i say so called music, rap sucks its there fault it crept into the mainstream so dont blame imus blame the idiots who made it that way

I really like this lady!

Is that really surprising when you two share the same let's blame something else view. gimmie a break,just because i dont give a shit about what some idiot said on television about blacks doesnt make me a racist.i am white ya but i am also a minority in a world where people just dont understand anything outta the ordinary hey thats just life,i accept whatever comments are thrown at me but do not ever call me a racist cause i am not.the simple truth is i dont give a flying fuck what anyone sais about me unless they actually know me so i try and put myself in the shoes of a black chick and i still dont give a shit cause its so indirect and off the wall comments thats its so trivial,you people who get your snot in a knot over what someone says who you dont even know need to get a grip and worry about what real friends and family think not what imus says.as for the rap artist let me make this point crystal clear you as in blacks think you own the rights to the lingo,news flash whats good for the goose is good for the gander so show your race alittle respect and stop calling your woman hoes etc and we will all get along just fine thank you

I didn't call you a racist nor did i imply that you were one and i agreee with you rap music is bad so please don't give me that you guys deserve that cause you spew it yourself line,ask yourself if he spwed his garbage towards the transgendered would you not give a "flying fuck" then.I'm sure you voiced your opinion in the micheal savage thread correct?im sorry if i took it the wrong way but isnt that really the point i am trying to make with you lol im thinkin you took it the wrong way when imus spewed his toxic mouth.as for trash talkin us trans people i still wouldnt give a flying fuck cause i dont know the man sorry thats just the way i am,living fulltime and raising kids 24/7 is what matters not what others think of me or anyone else it goes in one ear and out the other.the truth is i love black men and black woman there so down to earth and very funny plus they usually have a great dick lol yayayaya the secrets out lol anyways i am sorry if my opinion offended you in any way it wasnt meant to, just wanted to say really in the grand sceme of things it shouldnt really matter what a shock jock says

pmed you response

[tubgirl]

pmed you response

i bet it has spelling and diction errors in it

[tubgirl]

http://www.devilducky.com/media/60354/

[tubgirl]

[quote=unisex]White people are using this as a vehicle to express their racism toward minorities (like in this thread). That's why I said previously that Freedom of speech is bullshit. If you're just prejudice or racist, just admit the shit already. Don't try and use every other aspect as an outlet to not admit your Bias.


you have got to be fucking kidding me...

and legend, you have never acknowledged any of my points or answered any of my questions...

Baited and hooked.

does this mean you are trying to say i am racist?

[Kramer]

Dont sweat it. Black people think everyone is a racist if we disagree on a topic. :lol:

[Solitary Brother]

lol @ all the prejudice comments on minorities in this thread. People are coming out of the closet in this thread.

This website is THE hangout for the closeted republican homosexual.
Dont be shocked.
The more taboo a fantasy or fetish is the more republicans you see there.
Thats why all these right wingers want there back blown out.
Peace.

[tubgirl]

Dont sweat it. Black people think everyone is a racist if we disagree on a topic. :lol:

i would just like to see his reasoning...

[Kramer]

Reasoning, you want reasoning?? You racist! How dare you disagree with me and make good sense at the same time!! Im calling the revs!!! :lol:

[tubgirl]

Reasoning, you want reasoning?? You racist! How dare you disagree with me and make good sense at the same time!! Im calling the revs!!! :lol:

oh no, not the:

[DJ_Asia]

Ok- so I have to clarify a few things...
and I ask that you all read and take these things into account, with an open mind void of fear and any personal anger/feelings...(though this might be virtually impossible to do- it's not the easiest topic to talk about... )
Racism and racist ideologies involve one group having the POWER to carry out systematic discrimination through the major institutions of society, By this definition only white people can be racist in our society because HONESTLY, only white people as a group have the power of true control throughout the major institutions of our society. ( To those disbelievers reading this...I can definitely supply facts supporting my statement) Rappers and singers who spew racial epithets and slurs against one another through music or everyday interactions are simply products of a system/way of thinking that will forever run itself; Racist ideas no longer require planning or initiative by a person or a group as they have already been instituted into everyones thoughts and ideas and may be forever perpetuated by all of us. This is... unless groups in power who control the media, government, etc. will help stop this thinking ALONG WITH those who have fallen victim to it. (which would be everyone other than white people...)
Don Imus is but a scapegoat...he is not really even the true villain here. (Though what he said was for lack of better words- EXTREMELY FUCKED UP!!) Like Michael Richards, Imus' remarks will cause controversy for a few weeks and probably die down after a while... diverting attention from the fact that racist ideas have and continue to infiltrate just about every aspect of this society... television, websites(LOL), print and film, etc, etc.
Don't react immediately. Think about all that I have said...
and open your eyes.

One of the problems here in this thread and more importantly in AmeriKKKa is clearly stated in the 2nd paragraph of this sentence.


"Racism and racist ideologies involve one group having the POWER to carry out systematic discrimination through the major institutions of society, By this definition only white people can be racist in our society because HONESTLY, only white people as a group have the power of true control throughout the major institutions of our society. "

First she clearly states that "white people have true control"...

Thats a racist stereotyping remark,and poster doesnt even get it.It would be the same as if I said "Blacks are violent" While both statements might have some basis in fact,dont you think instead of saying "WHITES" have the power,the more appropriate and def more accurate sentence would be that the group that has the power is the "financially elite"?!?

I might have black genes in my blood but I look like your standard Stone Cold clone,yet may I ask,by this rationale...where is my power...im white so surely i must wield power over the blacks somehow...dont I?Can I sign up for it,or perhaps I can buy this power at the all white supermarket "Power R' Us"?

And as to assertations that only whites by some twisted delusional perspective are the only race capable of racism...

I got news...some of the most hateful,racist people I've ever met have been folks of color,and I have heard several African Americans make the same claim.Racism is hate pure and simple and hate exists in all colors genders,religions, and socio-economic classes...and thats a fact.

When people who use the term "The Man" stop seeing things in terms of color and start seeing it for what it really is...Power,Influence,Cash then perhaps people can focus on the real issues.Cuz frankly "The Man" hasnt done shit for any folks I know in avery long time...regardless of color.

Whatcha think of them apples.

[DJ_Asia]

double post

[Legend]

lol @ all the prejudice comments on minorities in this thread. People are coming out of the closet in this thread.

This website is THE hangout for the closeted republican homosexual.
Dont be shocked.
The more taboo a fantasy or fetish is the more republicans you see there.
Thats why all these right wingers want there back blown out.
Peace.

Ted Haggard could be lurking at this very moment.

[ezed]

I've caught up on the thread since last night. The "Imus incident" is the talk of boards of all interests. This isn't a race issue, but it's become one. And it is accelerating. It's a censorship issue. There is no FCC violation in this case nor would the government (not meaning elected officials or those running for office) weigh in on it, yet. But the tone of the nation could change that soon through the all too willing legislature.

If they do we loose our identity. We are no longer the land of the free. We are the land of the politically correct. A land that requires all their kids to wear helmets till the age of 18. A land where a discouraging word is never heard. A soon to be land of enuchs and lovely odors.

There is a young black comedian named Patrice O'Neal, who nailed this on the day after this incident became an incident. Everything Patrice said is coming to fruition, frighteningly. But he's young, dresses funny and nobody pays him no mind. But this kid is wise beyond his years. Search him on YouTube. He's been on a few shows since the incident.

Essentially, you will see all the conservatives now focusing on the rappers, and guess who will be joining them, Sharpton and Jackson. Why? To calm the race war they set in motion and to handle something which they always believed is a problem but never had the imputus to do anything about it.

From there, it goes on and on as an action generates a reaction. And broadcasters, entertainers, tv and movie personalities cower in their bunkers and spew forth ass kissing bather or say fuck it and get their heads chopped off when they speak their mind.

By the way, Patrice also pointed out he listened to the Imus tape over and over and clearly heard an "oh oh" as they were fading out in the break music. Indicating that Imus was ad-libbing and immediately knew he fucked up.

You ever see the end of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" when the screechers are out on the street screeching and pointing. This is what we're becoming.

Do not censor talk! Not the guys on the right, the guys on the left, the shock jocks, the comedians, or the rappers. If you don't like the talk get up off your fat ass and change the channel. Don't ask the government, or the media to do it for you. You will be sorry if you do. Our Children will grow up with ipods in their ears and helmets on their heads and only watch and play video games....wait a minute, we're already there!

We have no more nightly news with "journalists" the nightly news has become another version of Insider Edition. Our national media is putting "The Enquirer, Star Magazine etc" out of business because they've sunk to their level.

Enough pontificating!

Legend, your like a yellow stained jock strap hanging on a clothes line blowing in the wind on the praire with a tag that says "Small-Medium"!

[THATSMISSJUNECUZYANASTY]

First she clearly states that "white people have true control"...

Thats a racist stereotyping remark,and poster doesnt even get it.
Actually, I do get EXACTLY what I had said... otherwise I would not have said it.
For the sake of space... I had only PARTIALLY identified racism....which is a FACTUAL thing prevelant IN THE WORLD.
Racism is different from racial prejudice, hatred and discrimination. Racism is an institution- a structure, system,policy or procedure in the good ole' U.S. which promotes ,reproduces, and perpetuates advantages for white people and the oppression of people of color.
Racism can be expressed in 3 ways: Culturally, (eg- thin, blonde white women are the basis for our society's standard of beauty) Institutionally,(eg- Televisions' underrepresentations /misrepresentations of people of color- BET (which ironically is a white owned corporation) and other channels which air "ethnic television" are ,few ,far inbetween , and are often inaccurate with their depictions of people of color.... no one can escape "white" culture or the depiction of white people on television, film, etc... because society is saturated with these depictions) and Personally (eg calling a person a racist name, assuming white people are inherently better, or making racist assumptions, like saying a person of color is "well spoken"... as if that is a rarity)
Many feel that racism is simply the third expression (personal) and overlook the other two aspects. Personal expression of racism is just a tip of the iceberg- just because someone doesn't "say" it doesn't mean they haven't fallen victim to it culturally and institutionally.


It would be the same as if I said "Blacks are violent"
This statement would actually be a prejudiced statement, based not upon fact... but simply upon ideologies that are created from what system?...you got it! ...Racism


While both statements might have some basis in fact,
As I had mentioned previously, the statement I said is factual, while your statement "blacks are violent" is prejudiced


dont you think instead of saying "WHITES" have the power,the more appropriate and def more accurate sentence would be that the group that has the power is the "financially elite"?!?

No, no my dear.... your common misconception that the "financial elite" have true power in this country is what is called "The Bootstrap myth". The idea that "money is the only true power" and "it's a free country, so anyone who works hard can make it in America" Believing that race does not matter in a racist world is protecting privilege for people whom racism benefits (knowingly or unknowingly)
Race itself is a POLITICAL CONSTRUCT... in other words, there is no such thing as race from a scientific or biological point of view.
The term "white" was constructed to unite certain European groups living in the U.S. who were fighting each other and at the same time were a numerical minority in comparison to the numbers of African slaves, Native peoples and other people of color in the country.


Can I sign up for it,or perhaps I can buy this power at the all white supermarket "Power R' Us"?
:lol: :lol: I love your mocking sarcasm on such a topic... escaping the seriousness of this is kind of typical, actually....and quite common when one realizes they identify with a group that oppresses others.
..."to be white in America is not to have to think about it" - Robert Terry





And as to assertations that only whites by some twisted delusional perspective are the only race capable of racism...

I got news...some of the most hateful,racist people I've ever met have been folks of color,and I have heard several African Americans make the same claim.
What claim? that people of color can't be racist? THAT'S A FACT... NOT A "CLAIM"... Racism can be INTERNALIZED by folks of color ... but because we have not CREATED the system of Racism, we can therefore not be "racists"


When people who use the term "The Man"
Why are YOU bring up the term "the man" ?
What relevance does the use of this term have in regards to what I wrote? Sugar... NOWHERE in my post did you see me write the term "The Man"


Whatcha think of them apples.
Ummm- I guess? :roll: I have supplied you with a breakdown of actual facts. And as I stated before, I realize that there is discomfort in realizing the truth, as no one wants to think of themselves as causing another pain ( Assuming best intentions) however, dismissing facts and eluding the truth does nothing for the fact that racism exists. It simply helps it roll right along.
So... yeah... I guess that means I don't EVEN SEE your apples, hun.

[DJ_Asia]

First she clearly states that "white people have true control"...

Thats a racist stereotyping remark,and poster doesnt even get it.
Actually, I do get EXACTLY what I had said... otherwise I would not have said it.
For the sake of space... I had only PARTIALLY identified racism....which is a FACTUAL thing prevelant IN THE WORLD.
Racism is different from racial prejudice, hatred and discrimination. Racism is an institution- a structure, system,policy or procedure in the good ole' U.S. which promotes ,reproduces, and perpetuates advantages for white people and the oppression of people of color.
Racism can be expressed in 3 ways: Culturally, (eg- thin, blonde white women are the basis for our society's standard of beauty) Institutionally,(eg- Televisions' underrepresentations /misrepresentations of people of color- BET (which ironically is a white owned corporation) and other channels which air "ethnic television" are ,few ,far inbetween , and are often inaccurate with their depictions of people of color.... no one can escape "white" culture or the depiction of white people on television, film, etc... because society is saturated with these depictions) and Personally (eg calling a person a racist name, assuming white people are inherently better, or making racist assumptions, like saying a person of color is "well spoken"... as if that is a rarity)
Many feel that racism is simply the third expression (personal) and overlook the other two aspects. Personal expression of racism is just a tip of the iceberg- just because someone doesn't "say" it doesn't mean they haven't fallen victim to it culturally and institutionally.


It would be the same as if I said "Blacks are violent"
This statement would actually be a prejudiced statement, based not upon fact... but simply upon ideologies that are created from what system?...you got it! ...Racism


While both statements might have some basis in fact,
As I had mentioned previously, the statement I said is factual, while your statement "blacks are violent" is prejudiced


dont you think instead of saying "WHITES" have the power,the more appropriate and def more accurate sentence would be that the group that has the power is the "financially elite"?!?

No, no my dear.... your common misconception that the "financial elite" have true power in this country is what is called "The Bootstrap myth". The idea that "money is the only true power" and "it's a free country, so anyone who works hard can make it in America" Believing that race does not matter in a racist world is protecting privilege for people whom racism benefits (knowingly or unknowingly)
Race itself is a POLITICAL CONSTRUCT... in other words, there is no such thing as race from a scientific or biological point of view.
The term "white" was constructed to unite certain European groups living in the U.S. who were fighting each other and at the same time were a numerical minority in comparison to the numbers of African slaves, Native peoples and other people of color in the country.


Can I sign up for it,or perhaps I can buy this power at the all white supermarket "Power R' Us"?
:lol: :lol: I love your mocking sarcasm on such a topic... escaping the seriousness of this is kind of typical, actually....and quite common when one realizes they identify with a group that oppresses others.
..."to be white in America is not to have to think about it" - Robert Terry





And as to assertations that only whites by some twisted delusional perspective are the only race capable of racism...

I got news...some of the most hateful,racist people I've ever met have been folks of color,and I have heard several African Americans make the same claim.
What claim? that people of color can't be racist? THAT'S A FACT... NOT A "CLAIM"... Racism can be INTERNALIZED by folks of color ... but because we have not CREATED the system of Racism, we can therefore not be "racists"


When people who use the term "The Man"
Why are YOU bring up the term "the man" ?
What relevance does the use of this term have in regards to what I wrote? Sugar... NOWHERE in my post did you see me write the term "The Man"


Whatcha think of them apples.
Ummm- I guess? :roll: I have supplied you with a breakdown of actual facts. And as I stated before, I realize that there is discomfort in realizing the truth, as no one wants to think of themselves as causing another pain ( Assuming best intentions) however, dismissing facts and eluding the truth does nothing for the fact that racism exists. It simply helps it roll right along.
So... yeah... I guess that means I don't EVEN SEE your apples, hun.



Youre response was well thought out and for that u are applauded,however you seem to be more concerned with semantics and labels then you are with dealing with the whole ball of wax.Regardless of how you prefer to label anti social behaviour and language based upon skin color it exists both ways and its not just a one way street.

As far as the term "The Man" it has been raised a couple times in this thread and while you did not personally use it,it is a term I hear often.Personally I'd like to meet "the Man" perhaps dine with him and find out how I can get on his good side too.

If you dont see my perspective then thats unfortunate and is a microcosm as to why the pronlem in america exists to begin with.

[beatmaker]

And I'll say nigga or nigger or whatever whenever the fuck I want. It's about context. If you think that makes me a racist, you're the clueless one.

Yeah O.K. I'm sure those times will be behind the safety of your computer or around your friends. Try this out for size. When you have the urge to say the "N word", go visit the local housing projects on the other side of town and say whenever, whatever the fuck you want. Then when I read about the the poor white guy, that got savagely assaulted or shot by some black thugs (classic media depiction), I'll really know the half.

Everyone's a tough guy sitting behind the computer!

[Nautica]

* =^.^=

[beatmaker]

I was having a conversation with a friend of mine and we've come to the conclusion a long time ago, that the rift between blacks and whites, that really lies at the heart of this country's foundation, wealth and power, will also cause it's internal erosion. The animous is becoming increasingly greater. The internet has become means for people to really vent visceral emotions, that they can't articulate at work, school or other social settings. I go on Youtube frequently and there was this popular 5 second click of this little black girl saying "You're a Noob!" It actually was on the homepage for a while. I guess I was curious one day and viewed it, fine. Then I started reading the comments and there were pages upon pages of racist comments about this little girl, just for saying "You're a Noob". So, the bottled up aggression and hostility is very evident on both sides. However, as a black man I've always wondered what historical and present day subtext, do some whites have to stand on, to justify their hostility and animous towards blacks. What, we talk loudly in the movie theater, you dislike rap music and fashion, or the high crime rate amongst some blacks gives you license to say "Were even"! Many of the things whites dislike about blacks eminate from feelings black self-hatred and brainwashing learned thru the centuries of oppression. It's America's greatest psychological experiment. On this very site, it's not uncommon for a HA member to make disparaging comments about black TS's, then get angry when someone calls them to the carpet about it. Furthermore, after years of hearing such comments and slurs, the internalization process is set. Singer Mary J Blige talks in detail about how her "bad attitude", drug and alcohol abuse and other dysfunctional behaviors, stemmed from feelings of self hatred. It's common in Black families or even Latin families to tear down children for having a darker complexion, courser hair texture and such. No wonder why! Just read some of the shit on this very website. People take clues from larger society and it infects/affects the way they raise their children. Many young white girls have low self-esteem and eating disorders because of their bodyweight. It's not uncommon for some white parent(s) or siblings to be complicit in their feelings of loathing, by making harsh comments sending them over the edge (anorexia, bulimia or suicide). So, for white people to deflect criticism from some bigot like Imus, by castigating blacks for using the "N word" is the epitome of ignorance and arrogance. It reminds me of abusive, unsupportive parents calling their children "good for nothing" or you'll be just like your no good father" their whole lives, then say "I told you" when they end up as a teenage parent or incarcerated.

I haven't read all 30 plus pages, but the back and forth is just evidence of what I just stated. This society is inherently racist. Everytime, a white person puts their foot in their mouth, the so-called liberal media finds a way to shape the discussion into what blacks are doing wrong. Michael Richards (Kramer) calls a heckler a ni@@er 10+ times at a comedy show, then it turns into rappers using the "N word" and blacks being supposedly hypocritical. Unless, you really understand the complexities of internalized racism, you won't understand why a marginalized group embraces the language of their oppresor. It's almost like a "Stockholm Syndrome" of sorts. I hear women (including white women) jokingly call each other bitch or ho all the time in NYC. Matter of fact, they proudly wear those little T-shirts with sayings like "Slut" or "Bitch and Proud". However, I guarantee if this was a predominitely white basketball team and Don Imus called the team, "a bunch of dikes and manly looking bitches" and then prominent women's groups called for his firing and put the pressure on his national advertisers, you wouldn't see cable news shows (mainly Fox) dragging the women's groups thru the mud as instigators and being the reason behind gender discord in American culture. Nor would they dig up speeches some white feminist made in college 20-30 years ago, where she made a sweeping slur about men and use that as a means covertly defend Imus or label her as a hypocritical "man hater". These luxuries are afforded whites, when they stand up against injustice, yet blacks are always labeled complainers or hypocrites. I remember one jackass white conservative commentator saying if blacks are so upset that cops are allegedly brutalizing and killing black men, then why don't they stop black on black violence in their own community. I mean WTF kind of rationale is that! If it was that friggin easy, then why don't local, state and federal lawmakers do the same thing for the entire country. However, this man's rhetoric is endemic of what I'm seeing on the news recently. Yet, with Michael Richards and to a larger degree Imus, this is exactly how the debate is being framed against Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Everytime they stand up against racist language or police brutality, someone brings up Tawana Brawley or Jesse's "Hymietown" comments. Sharpton and Jesse paid their penants for their deeds and comments in the 1980's and still do. Why should Imus be different and should Al or Jesse be political eunichs, because of past transgressions. Sharpton has caught hell from the NYC media and in spite of attempts to rehabilate his image, he will always be maligned as the "racial boogeyman". His Co-D of sorts, Alton Maddox was disbarred from practicing law and has been for almost 2 decades, in spite of numerous appeals. So this B.S about there being a racial double standard, slanted against whites, is delusional nonsense.

I have one suggestion and it's a modification of something Sharpton said. For all you people that hate Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson so much, what are you doing when acts of racism and sexism become evident. Racism in the white community will only be solved or at least decreased, when whites stop accepting these transgressions as "nothing important" or using the actions of some blacks, as a reason to justify racism. I've heard numerous whites justify the NYPD shooting of Sean Bell, as being the black communities fault because of the influx of crime. Once again, WTF! Most of the time the Al & Jesse haters, do nothing but justify or make tepid denounciations, then wonder why these men always have to step up. Some people act as though, the police dept should never be questioned by the black community, no matter how many innocent blacks are beaten, shot or killed. Furthermore, they act as though racist language should just fly over our heads. These B.S defenses of Imus and Michael Richards, by mentioning Dave Chappelle or Chris Rock's racially tinged humor are disingenious. Those two cats have more white fans, than black. Another thing, they give black folks just as much grief in their comedy as whites.

I'll end my tirade by saying this, if somebody can produce a tape of Don Imus calling innocent, young white women "Stringy haired sluts" or something similar, then I'll rescind everything I said.

[chefmike]

I've caught up on the thread since last night. The "Imus incident" is the talk of boards of all interests. This isn't a race issue, but it's become one. And it is accelerating. It's a censorship issue. There is no FCC violation in this case nor would the government (not meaning elected officials or those running for office) weigh in on it, yet. But the tone of the nation could change that soon through the all too willing legislature.

If they do we loose our identity. We are no longer the land of the free. We are the land of the politically correct. A land that requires all their kids to wear helmets till the age of 18. A land where a discouraging word is never heard. A soon to be land of enuchs and lovely odors.

There is a young black comedian named Patrice O'Neal, who nailed this on the day after this incident became an incident. Everything Patrice said is coming to fruition, frighteningly. But he's young, dresses funny and nobody pays him no mind. But this kid is wise beyond his years. Search him on YouTube. He's been on a few shows since the incident.

Essentially, you will see all the conservatives now focusing on the rappers, and guess who will be joining them, Sharpton and Jackson. Why? To calm the race war they set in motion and to handle something which they always believed is a problem but never had the imputus to do anything about it.

From there, it goes on and on as an action generates a reaction. And broadcasters, entertainers, tv and movie personalities cower in their bunkers and spew forth ass kissing bather or say fuck it and get their heads chopped off when they speak their mind.

By the way, Patrice also pointed out he listened to the Imus tape over and over and clearly heard an "oh oh" as they were fading out in the break music. Indicating that Imus was ad-libbing and immediately knew he fucked up.

You ever see the end of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" when the screechers are out on the street screeching and pointing. This is what we're becoming.

Do not censor talk! Not the guys on the right, the guys on the left, the shock jocks, the comedians, or the rappers. If you don't like the talk get up off your fat ass and change the channel. Don't ask the government, or the media to do it for you. You will be sorry if you do. Our Children will grow up with ipods in their ears and helmets on their heads and only watch and play video games....wait a minute, we're already there!

We have no more nightly news with "journalists" the nightly news has become another version of Insider Edition. Our national media is putting "The Enquirer, Star Magazine etc" out of business because they've sunk to their level.

Enough pontificating!

Legend, your like a yellow stained jock strap hanging on a clothes line blowing in the wind on the praire with a tag that says "Small-Medium"!

LMFAO, Ezed...and a big co-sign!

[DJ_Asia]

[quote="beatmaker"] However, as a black man I've always wondered what historical and present day subtext, do some whites have to stand on, to justify their hostility and animous towards blacks. What, we talk loudly in the movie theater, you dislike rap music and fashion, or the high crime rate amongst some blacks gives you license to say "Were evenl quote]

Im amused by the last few words in this statement..."We're Even"

Even?? What exactly do you mean by "Even"...like blacks are owed a debt from whites? Like because of slavery modern white folks are responsible for the actions of some rednecks a couple hundred years ago,probably way before a majority of current white Americans families ever even immigrated to this country?!

Even??? WOW!

[Quinn]

I've caught up on the thread since last night. The "Imus incident" is the talk of boards of all interests. This isn't a race issue, but it's become one. And it is accelerating. It's a censorship issue. There is no FCC violation in this case nor would the government (not meaning elected officials or those running for office) weigh in on it, yet. But the tone of the nation could change that soon through the all too willing legislature.

If they do we loose our identity. We are no longer the land of the free. We are the land of the politically correct. A land that requires all their kids to wear helmets till the age of 18. A land where a discouraging word is never heard. A soon to be land of enuchs and lovely odors.

There is a young black comedian named Patrice O'Neal, who nailed this on the day after this incident became an incident. Everything Patrice said is coming to fruition, frighteningly. But he's young, dresses funny and nobody pays him no mind. But this kid is wise beyond his years. Search him on YouTube. He's been on a few shows since the incident.

Essentially, you will see all the conservatives now focusing on the rappers, and guess who will be joining them, Sharpton and Jackson. Why? To calm the race war they set in motion and to handle something which they always believed is a problem but never had the imputus to do anything about it.

From there, it goes on and on as an action generates a reaction. And broadcasters, entertainers, tv and movie personalities cower in their bunkers and spew forth ass kissing bather or say fuck it and get their heads chopped off when they speak their mind.

By the way, Patrice also pointed out he listened to the Imus tape over and over and clearly heard an "oh oh" as they were fading out in the break music. Indicating that Imus was ad-libbing and immediately knew he fucked up.

You ever see the end of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" when the screechers are out on the street screeching and pointing. This is what we're becoming.

Do not censor talk! Not the guys on the right, the guys on the left, the shock jocks, the comedians, or the rappers. If you don't like the talk get up off your fat ass and change the channel. Don't ask the government, or the media to do it for you. You will be sorry if you do. Our Children will grow up with ipods in their ears and helmets on their heads and only watch and play video games....wait a minute, we're already there!

We have no more nightly news with "journalists" the nightly news has become another version of Insider Edition. Our national media is putting "The Enquirer, Star Magazine etc" out of business because they've sunk to their level.

Enough pontificating!

Legend, your like a yellow stained jock strap hanging on a clothes line blowing in the wind on the praire with a tag that says "Small-Medium"!

A second Co-sign.

[Realgirls4me]

I have not forgotten my word to respond to Quinn, or a few posts that have been posted since then, but I've got a terrible head cold that I came down with a few days ago(I'd rather lie down if I can iow), and I've also got a room full of papers of which my tax papers are part of and need serious addressing.

Until I get back on my feet(seat) again, carry on. :)

[Quinn]

I have not forgotten my word to respond to Quinn, or a few posts that have been posted since then, but I've got a terrible head cold that I came down with a few days ago(I'd rather lie down if I can iow), and I've also got a room full of papers of which my tax papers are part of and need serious addressing.

Until I get back on my feet(seat) again, carry on. :)

Understood. Sitting down and forumlating a comprehensive argument on something this complex can be a real pain in the ass if you're not feeling well. I hope you feel better soon. Until then, take it easy.

-Quinn

[dreamer]

I dunno ---I think this whole thing with Don Imus --is inspiring racism...in me

I know the thrill of the whole thing is gone ---but people are still talking about it ---and it will cool off --and soon enough be forgotten ---or at least pushed back --out of our focus


today I watched MAD TV ---and there was ....I dunno -----I feel beaten --I feel limited ----not ME ---but white people in general ----white people can't say things that black people can ---and it is wrong ---dead wrong


and after MAD TV ended --comedy central had some live comedians ---and sure enough --it was an African American dude ---


I couldn't --I wouldn't watch ----

[chefmike]

lol @ all the prejudice comments on minorities in this thread. People are coming out of the closet in this thread.

This website is THE hangout for the closeted republican homosexual.
Dont be shocked.
The more taboo a fantasy or fetish is the more republicans you see there.
Thats why all these right wingers want there back blown out.
Peace.

Ted Haggard could be lurking at this very moment.

That's pretty fucking funny coming from you, 'tardboy.

You've done a lot of bible-banging on this forum, ever since your nappy-headed ho ass rode in here on the motherfucking short bus...you fucking cretin...

Now keep talking, dipshit... 8)

[chefmike]

There is a young black comedian named Patrice O'Neal, who nailed this on the day after this incident became an incident. Everything Patrice said is coming to fruition, frighteningly. But he's young, dresses funny and nobody pays him no mind. But this kid is wise beyond his years. Search him on YouTube. He's been on a few shows since the incident.

I haven't checked out that bit yet, but he kicks ass. Wasn't he a regular on Colin Quinn's show on CC?

[Kramer]

All we want as white people is 1 set of rules for EVERYONE!! No special treatment/rules for black people for a change!!! 8)

[Quinn]

There is a young black comedian named Patrice O'Neal, who nailed this on the day after this incident became an incident. Everything Patrice said is coming to fruition, frighteningly. But he's young, dresses funny and nobody pays him no mind. But this kid is wise beyond his years. Search him on YouTube. He's been on a few shows since the incident.

I haven't checked out that bit yet, but he kicks ass. Wasn't he a regular on Colin Quinn's show on CC?

That's the same one. He's also a regular on O&A. In fact, he's actually my favorite regular guest on that show.

-Quinn

[Legend]

Here they come. The closet door has fully open now.

Are you surprised?


All we want as white people is 1 set of rules for EVERYONE!! No special treatment/rules for black people for a change!!! 8)

[tubgirl]

Here they come. The closet door has fully open now.

**he says while dodging questions**

[whatsupwithat]

Popped into the thread to see what was happening and saw all these poor oppressed white men. Oh, the tragedy, the horror of being a white male!! Being born into such priviledge!! My gawd, you poor, poor souls...on so many levels.

[Kabuki]

All we want as white people is 1 set of rules for EVERYONE!! No special treatment/rules for black people for a change!!! 8)

What an idiotic statement. When did the majority of white people treat minorities equally in the states?

I'm also really annoyed by the generalized statements about the black community. Last time I checked, all black people didn't listen to rap music. Or use the "N" word. You allow the media to shape your view of the black community or just choose to be ignorant. Last time I checked, there are middle and upper class black citizens, and they deal with more crap than you will ever know. They work hard everyday without complaints. It seems like they should complain more, but then you'll have people like you saying they're using the racism card. Get a clue people. The system is flawed. The fact is that white america created this mess. Now lets move on, and try to make some changes. Is that possible?

[tubgirl]

You really think they are going to listen to you? The door is completely open now and they are stating their prejudice views with no remorse.

so, what you are saying is, there is no such thing as a double standard, right? ok then, when are jackson and sharpton going to PUBLICLY apologize for what happened to the duke lacrosse team? seeing as to how they spearheaded that witchhunt, shouldn't they hold a press conference to address their misgivings?

also, let me ask you the same question that legend dodged from me earlier:

at what age were you put into slavery?

[Felicia Katt]

I put in my two cents here before, but they apparently fell behind the seat cushions. amid all the well spoken but misdirected outrage.

Imus was censured, not censored. Censure is a process by which a formal reprimand is issued to an individual by an authoritative body. Censorship is the removal or withholding of information from the public by a controlling group or body.

Imus is still free to speak as he wishes. He just doesn't get paid a handsome salary to do so over the public airways.

Censorship" is often used as a pejorative term to signify a belief that a group controlling certain information is using this control improperly or for its own benefit, or preventing others from accessing information that should be made readily accessible. What Imus said wasn't information. It was opinion in the form of a joke and a not very well reasoned or funny one at that.

Comparing a radio host to a rapper is a false comparison, like saying an Ipod is the same as an old transistor radio. It completely ignores that you get to pick what you put on an Ipod. Its private, whereas what comes out of a radio is broadcast. You own your Ipod, the public owns the radio frequencies. Imus is free to put out a CD or do a podcast if he thinks there is demand for his schtick. I don't see any gold records in his immediate future though.

FK

[tubgirl]

at what age were you put into slavery?

16, the legal working minimum age.

the same as most other americans...

[alwaysforyou]

Imus was wrong for what he had said but last time I went to my town hall I did see the american flag waving in the air and also I don't believe they changed the constitution in the past few weeks. He should have been fined a few hundred thousand and that should have went to the rutgers basketball team, he should have been suspended for two weeks, and been taking out of syndication in a few markets.

[Kabuki]

All we want as white people is 1 set of rules for EVERYONE!! No special treatment/rules for black people for a change!!! 8)

What an idiotic statement. When did the majority of white people treat minorities equally in the states?

I'm also really annoyed by the generalized statements about the black community. Last time I checked, all black people didn't listen to rap music. Or use the "N" word. You allow the media to shape your view of the black community or just choose to be ignorant. Last time I checked, there are middle and upper class black citizens, and they deal with more crap than you will ever know. They work hard everyday without complaints. It seems like they should complain more, but then you'll have people like you saying they're using the racism card. Get a clue people. The system is flawed. The fact is that white america created this mess. Now lets move on, and try to make some changes. Is that possible?

You really think they are going to listen to you? The door is completely open now and they are stating their prejudice views with no remorse.

You're right. I doubt some of these people have listened, and the other half are hiding behind their computers. It's amazing how many people want to stereotype us. Or just insult us. Depressing somewhat.

[Legend]

I put in my two cents here before, but they apparently fell behind the seat cushions. amid all the well spoken but misdirected outrage.

Imus was censured, not censored. Censure is a process by which a formal reprimand is issued to an individual by an authoritative body. Censorship is the removal or withholding of information from the public by a controlling group or body.

Imus is still free to speak as he wishes. He just doesn't get paid a handsome salary to do so over the public airways.

Censorship" is often used as a pejorative term to signify a belief that a group controlling certain information is using this control improperly or for its own benefit, or preventing others from accessing information that should be made readily accessible. What Imus said wasn't information. It was opinion in the form of a joke and a not very well reasoned or funny one at that.

Comparing a radio host to a rapper is a false comparison, like saying an Ipod is the same as an old transistor radio. It completely ignores that you get to pick what you put on an Ipod. Its private, whereas what comes out of a radio is broadcast. You own your Ipod, the public owns the radio frequencies. Imus is free to put out a CD or do a podcast if he thinks there is demand for his schtick. I don't see any gold records in his immediate future though.

FK


Nicely said felicia,like you stated this is no free speech or censorship matter he was fired from a privately owned company for not following their rules,if he said that stuff on his own time and money thats another story.

[Kramer]

So I see the "1 set of rules for everyone" idea was flawed, eh? So black people, you want a separate set of rules for yourselves I assume?

Isnt that the double standard many people here have mentioned? :roll:

[tubgirl]

at what age were you put into slavery?

16, the legal working minimum age.

the same as most other americans...

What does that have to with Imus calling the Rutgers team Nappy headed ho's? :?:

about the same as you calling people posting in this thread racists just because they have differing views...

[tubgirl]

I put in my two cents here before, but they apparently fell behind the seat cushions. amid all the well spoken but misdirected outrage.

Imus was censured, not censored. Censure is a process by which a formal reprimand is issued to an individual by an authoritative body. Censorship is the removal or withholding of information from the public by a controlling group or body.

Imus is still free to speak as he wishes. He just doesn't get paid a handsome salary to do so over the public airways.

Censorship" is often used as a pejorative term to signify a belief that a group controlling certain information is using this control improperly or for its own benefit, or preventing others from accessing information that should be made readily accessible. What Imus said wasn't information. It was opinion in the form of a joke and a not very well reasoned or funny one at that.

Comparing a radio host to a rapper is a false comparison, like saying an Ipod is the same as an old transistor radio. It completely ignores that you get to pick what you put on an Ipod. Its private, whereas what comes out of a radio is broadcast. You own your Ipod, the public owns the radio frequencies. Imus is free to put out a CD or do a podcast if he thinks there is demand for his schtick. I don't see any gold records in his immediate future though.

FK


Nicely said felicia,like you stated this is no free speech or censorship matter he was fired from a privately owned company for not following their rules,if he said that stuff on his own time and money thats another story.

msnbc is a pay channel...

[Legend]

So I see the "1 set of rules for everyone" idea was flawed, eh? So black people, you want a separate set of rules for yourselves I assume?

Isnt that the double standard many people here have mentioned? :roll:

Would you stop with your racially charged questions,anyway i seriously doubt anyone will take you serious or even address your questions will you refer to them as "so black people"!

What your doing is making this thread ten times worse it isn't about black or white people but people in general.

[DJ_Asia]

A this point this thread has become redundant.Nobody is saying anything new,nobody is willing to confront the real issue or admit to the flaws posed by other posters.direct Q's are being asked and nobody except for a save few are attempting to answer them.....so as always it has decayed into a good old fashioned bar room brawl....Im out.

[Kramer]

Man legend you really seem dumb. Now there is something wrong with
" so black people" ????????????????

Geez, are you fukin nuts??? How shall they be addressed then?

Yo, Homes?

No seriously, how should they be addressed? I gotta hear this........ :roll:

[Legend]

Man legend you really seem dumb. Now there is something wrong with
" so black people" ????????????????

Geez, are you fukin nuts??? How shall they be addressed then?

Yo, Homes?

No seriously, how should they be addressed? I gotta hear this........ :roll:

How about people who differ from my opinion please reply,oh and being refer to as dumb coming from you is highly laughable.

[tubgirl]

It really only leaves that exploit available of criticism. You don't like minorities, Just say that. Don't make up anything abstract to the topic at hand. but i have never said i don't like minorities. however, right after one of my posts, you came in posting how the closet racialites (is that even a word) came running. how was i supposed to take that?

Instead of just admitting the topic @ hand, "Imus said something he shouldn't have said, got caught by the press, white america still has a 1 dimensional view on minorities."

The belittling of our ethnicity or culture is constant in this thread. Barely even 50+ years has passed since segregation has been lifted and to this day and we're still treated like assholes with constant slandering may it be direct or indirect and we're just supposed "move on"? I don't think so. constant slandering? wtf? you are typing to a white guy that about 7 years ago got turned down for a very lucrative position in state gov't because of the "token" system. we all went in, took the tests and left. there were 7 positions open. out of 200 some-odd people, i scored in the top 5. TOP 5!!! i should have been a shoe-in. however, i didn't get the position because they needed to hire someone who was black (or colored, or african american, or whatever). they gave this guy 20 basis points just because he wasn't white. should i not care about that?

Imus said it, he's white, he fucked up. (if) You're white, then too bad. You deal with it. We've dealt with it for centuries. I'm pretty sure the 2 minutes of negative air time White people are receiving on the bitter end they can handle it.

"We've dealt with it for centuries." <--- see, that's just it. YOU haven't been dealing with it for centuries. YOU can only have dealt with it for as long as you have been alive. and the fact that you have the means and the freedom to post your thoughts in here on the subject means that you are not, nor probably ever were, a slave.

[Legend]

Kramer your hatred speaks for itself,


Please get the pic of Fugly Serena Williams out of here! Damn, she is FUGLY!!! :shock:


Lets face the truth, Ebonics is for uneducated morons that want attention. If it is spoken in anyones household, then those parents are bigger morons then their offspring, for not setting a better example!

It is because of these people that the education sysyem in this country is constantly lowering its standards, just to get the dumbasses passed!



because there was a guy that was going around robbing girls at gunpoint who happend to be black.


Yeah, right, happened to be black. :lol:

Its not like ALOT of black guys carry guns, now is it?? :roll: :roll:



see Kramer..we do agree on some things!



:o :D


Ya gotta admit chef, that guy that threw the punch is a yellow fag!



I remember a topic a few months back where the black dudes here were complaing how some shemale escorts wont do black guys. I mentioned maybe it isnt their preference, maybe they just wanna escort with white guys, but it was their buisness. The black guys were saying how it is racist . Now lets not have a double standard here. If it works one way it has to apply both ways, PERIOD!!!


Your comment on the micheal richards racist rant

that clip is hilarious!! :lol:



thats like saying all blacks like fried chicken and cool aid


Wait a minute, wait a minute, isnt it fried chicken and watermelon?! :lol:



the Jews run the record industry...point blank, period...............

Hey DArkthanos, watch what you say about jews around here, people dont like to hear the truth. I said once that jewish owned banks run the US economy, and got shitted on for weeks over it. Fuckin losers on this board!


If Eminem picked up some Crystal, then it would be okay...right?


I say no way! Eminem is a piece of white trash shit! He has no class.


You referring to serena williams

Serena's a beast! :roll:




Screw the circle. WTF is she doing with her fingers? She looks like white trash! Fuckin moronic little girl! :roll:



chef, you are the biggest most annoying scumbag on these boards. And always the first to call names like a child. Sticks and stones you big fag!!! 8) 8)



ugly fucking liberals! :lol:



Wow, Arianna, youre still a piece of shit. I thought we were past our name calling fiasco. Still acting tough? You are very immature. Im finished with you, tough guy. :lol:



Now, now, Ari. Im not an angry white guy all the time. Only when people call me names unjustly. Or when my race comes under attack, which is quite normal. 8)

P.S.- now that avatar is a much nicer pic of yourself. :)



I see J is a tough guy. Real nice you fag!



Arianna, you talk way to much. Go think what you want you ugly bastard! Arguing on a computer is pointless. Nothing can cahnge the fact that you are very ugly though. Take that fuckin wig off already!!!!

La de da, what will he come back with next???



Arianna, who the fuck are you to judge anyone. Im not the guy walking around in a fucking dress with a buttplug stuffed up my ass, like yourself!

I never started calling you names, you provoked it. So I believe you would be the fool here.

You were the one sitting in front of the computer calling me a racist when you know nothing about me. Dont you think if I were I would really care.

How dare you say those things about me. It just shows you are brainless.

[Quinn]

Kramer your hatred speaks for itself On this I think we can agree, Legend. If you recall, Kramer has been attacked by other posters on this forum on more than one occasion for his conduct.

-Quinn

[tubgirl]

It really only leaves that exploit available of criticism. You don't like minorities, Just say that. Don't make up anything abstract to the topic at hand. but i have never said i don't like minorities. however, right after one of my posts, you came in posting how the closet racialites (is that even a word) came running. how was i supposed to take that?

Instead of just admitting the topic @ hand, "Imus said something he shouldn't have said, got caught by the press, white america still has a 1 dimensional view on minorities."

The belittling of our ethnicity or culture is constant in this thread. Barely even 50+ years has passed since segregation has been lifted and to this day and we're still treated like assholes with constant slandering may it be direct or indirect and we're just supposed "move on"? I don't think so. constant slandering? wtf? you are typing to a white guy that about 7 years ago got turned down for a very lucrative position in state gov't because of the "token" system. we all went in, took the tests and left. there were 7 positions open. out of 200 some-odd people, i scored in the top 5. TOP 5!!! i should have been a shoe-in. however, i didn't get the position because they needed to hire someone who was black (or colored, or african american, or whatever). they gave this guy 20 basis points just because he wasn't white. should i not care about that?

Imus said it, he's white, he fucked up. (if) You're white, then too bad. You deal with it. We've dealt with it for centuries. I'm pretty sure the 2 minutes of negative air time White people are receiving on the bitter end they can handle it.

"We've dealt with it for centuries." <--- see, that's just it. YOU haven't been dealing with it for centuries. YOU can only have dealt with it for as long as you have been alive. and the fact that you have the means and the freedom to post your thoughts in here on the subject means that you are not, nor probably ever were, a slave.

It doesn't matter if I was a slave or not. You must feel white people should be justified to slander minorities. Which is why you only highlighted what you wanted to object on. But you won't object to the slander of the Rutgers Team. Just admit the true stance that you don't like minorities when it comes to civil justice or equalities.

please find where i said i think it is ok to slander minorities. please. i didn't highlight that part for two reasons: #1 the first half of your statement i agree with. #2 the latter half, i did not.

everyone has beat to death the imus issue. we all know he is an old white retard who said a stupid thing. that isn't really the issue anymore. hell, i'm even starting to lose track of the true issue.

and trying to say that i am trying to shy away from something because i didn't highlight it? please again. i guess the job that was stolen from me was a "power to the people" moment...

[tubgirl]

constant slandering? wtf? you are typing to a white guy that about 7 years ago got turned down for a very lucrative position in state gov't because of the "token" system. we all went in, took the tests and left. there were 7 positions open. out of 200 some-odd people, i scored in the top 5. TOP 5!!! i should have been a shoe-in. however, i didn't get the position because they needed to hire someone who was black (or colored, or african american, or whatever). they gave this guy 20 basis points just because he wasn't white. should i not care about that?

So, basically, you're expressing your grief about what the majority of minorities went through for the last 75+ years, right?

i wouldn't really call it expressing my grief. i really had no grief over it. i was pissed off for about 5 minutes, then went about my life.

what, exactly, defines a minority?

[Nautica]

* =^.^=

[Felicia Katt]

msnbc is a pay channel...

Its a cable channel, but just like broadcast channels that go over the public airways, cable companies use public property and utilities to reach their audience, and are therefore subject to regulation and oversight. The companies that fired him were both publically traded corporation responsible to their shareholders and the bottom line. If there is a huge demand for his show which translates to advertising dollars, he will end up on some other network, or on satellite radio. I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

FK

[ezed]

There is a young black comedian named Patrice O'Neal, who nailed this on the day after this incident became an incident. Everything Patrice said is coming to fruition, frighteningly. But he's young, dresses funny and nobody pays him no mind. But this kid is wise beyond his years. Search him on YouTube. He's been on a few shows since the incident.

I haven't checked out that bit yet, but he kicks ass. Wasn't he a regular on Colin Quinn's show on CC?

Yes he and Colin are friends.

[ezed]

Yes folks the race war is ON! Just like I predicted. The last four pages of posts bear me out. And Muhammad, you'll have to agree with me here, it's going to take Al and Jesse to sacrifice a rapper to quell the flames and make them heroes in their own minds.

What say you Muhammad on this issue?

Well Howard, it's kinda funny. I guess whites and blacks yearn for the old days!

[tetsuo]

Im sorry but i have to take the opposite road here...Im very opposed to any kind of censorship.

Fuck the FCC....

If the dude wants to make a comment, no matter how backwards or retarded, he should be free to say whatever the fuck he wants to say.

DO NOT LET THE SHEEP ERODE YOUR FREEDOM...I agree with you. he has been saying stuff like this for years, its nothing hateful its just a joke. I think there are bigger issues out there that should concern us, like how many stupid people there are in this country. Lets just take all our rights away, lets just never be able to speak. I don't listen to the guy or like him but this is what he gets paid to do.

[Legend]

Kramer your hatred speaks for itself On this I think we can agree, Legend. If you recall, Kramer has been attacked by other posters on this forum on more than one occasion for his conduct.

-Quinn

The guy is a poster child for hatred,arianna verbally embarrassed him so bad he resorted to threatening to beat the shit out out of her,debating this topic and making a valid points are one thing but when you read his post they just are add up to nothing more then adding fuel to the fire.

[Felicia Katt]

I agree with you. he has been saying stuff like this for years, its nothing hateful its just a joke. I think there are bigger issues out there that should concern us, like how many stupid people there are in this country. Lets just take all our rights away, lets just never be able to speak. I don't listen to the guy or like him but this is what he gets paid to do.

The people who paid him, and who fired him got their money and their motivation from their customers and others who were so upset by what Imus said.

No one has lost their right to free speech. One shock jock lost his gig to get paid for his speech. Nothing more.

If you are worried about the erosion of your rights, look to the slow drip of things like the Patriot Act, and an Administration and its supporting media that thinks nothing of labelling dissent as treason, and blind bloody obedience as patriotism

FK

FK

[chefmike]

Yes, Don Imus was such a menace to society...You self-righteous SOB's should be so very proud of yourselves... :roll:

Imus, Autism, and America
David Kirby

Imus is gone, but not everyone is cheering. Thousands of parents of autistic children around the country are reeling at the loss of the one true friend they had in the mainstream media. For them, the silencing of Imus could not have come at a worse time.

Of course the messy-headed host said a reprehensible thing, and some form of punishment was not only imperative, but desirable.

Comeuppance, almost always, is a good thing.

Many enemies of racist and sexist trash talk wanted Don Imus gone, and they got their wish. If you are reading this blog, you may count yourself among them (though it's not clear if the Rutgers basketball players who accepted Imus' apology shared in this sentiment).

But consider, for a moment, who is cheering right alongside you. Certainly everyone who thinks the war in Iraq is going swimmingly, and deserves our full support, is happy to see the end of Imus - and that goes for the Vice President on down.

The bureaucrats who let Walter Reed's Building 18 degenerate into a moldy mess of neglect can't be too unhappy, and the last five supporters of Alberto Gonzales left in the country must be ecstatic.

And, of course, if anyone is happy to see Don's downfall, they are also in the fine company of Eli Lilly, Merck, GlaxoSmithKline and other big Pharma firms who loathed Don Imus for suggesting that mercury in vaccines -- maybe and only maybe - might be contributing to the growing crisis of childhood autism in the United States.

Feel better? Politics may make for strange bedfellows, but shock-jocking, apparently, yields allies that are downright bizarre.

Don Imus was one of the very few members of the mainstream media to speak out about autism on anything even resembling a regular basis. And he was the ONLY one brave enough (or stupid enough) to take on Big Pharma, the CDC and virtually the entire US Senate over the issue of mercury, vaccines and neuro-developmental disorders.

But now he is gone, and no one is left to speak up for all these damaged kids, and the frazzled parents who believe that mercury played a key role in their children's illness.

Here are some of the things that Don Imus will NOT be covering in the coming weeks. And don't count on the mainstream media to fill in the blanks:

On April 17, the Senate's health committee will hold hearings on how to spend federal dollars allocated by the Combating Autism Act - a bill that might not have passed without the unrelenting support of Imus and his wife Deirdre.

The hearing was scheduled without any input from autism organizations that support the mercury hypothesis, nor will these groups be allowed to testify. Imus would have gone ballistic over that injustice. But now he is gone, and he can't.

Just two days later, the Institute of Medicine will convene a two-day workshop on devising research protocols into environmental factors of autism, including mercury and vaccines. It is doubtful that the media will give it much thought, let alone coverage. Imus would have covered it intensely. But now he is gone, and he can't.

And of course, in June, the Federal "vaccine court" will hold a three-week hearing on whether mercury in shots and/or the MMR vaccine can cause autism and similar problems in some children.

There is a good chance that the proceedings will not be open to the press or the public. In other words, the vaccine trial of the century - one that could settle one of the most important controversies affecting our next generation -- will not be televised.

Imus would have been all over this story like, he used to say, a dog on a bone. But now he is gone, and he can't.

Of course, I am totally biased. I support research into a possible mercury-autism link. And Don Imus had me on his show three times to discuss it. The first time I appeared, in April, 2005, my book on the subject went from a 5-digit ranking on Amazon to a one-digit ranking, in the time it took me to drive home from MSNBC to Brooklyn.

But this is not about book sales. It is about getting to the bottom of a profound and poignant mystery: Why are so many American kids so damn sick? Sadly, not nearly enough Americans really care about the answer to that question.

Don Imus cares, but now he is gone.

Those three nasty words heard round the world may well end a career that began before the Rutgers Women's Basketball team was even born. Soon, these remarkable women may get married and give birth to kids of their own. If they live in New Jersey and give birth to a son, they can count on a one-in-60 chance that he will develop autism, according to the CDC.

Don Imus would have been the first to invite them on his show to talk about it. But now he is gone.

So, as we mark the demise of a foul-mouthed old man who showed an ugly, racist side to his complex personality, just remember who is also raising a glass.

Maybe mercury is linked to autism, and maybe it is not. But until we find out, go ahead and buy that Lilly stock you've had your eye on. With Imus out of the picture, your investment is safer.

Oh, and happy Autism Awareness Month.

[sucka4chix]

38 pages for such a minor incident---wow!
All I got from this thread is that race is always a hot button issue and racism will NEVER go away. The human race suffers from Chauvinism-- that's the root problem. People feel that the group they are in is superior to all other groups and must put down other groups. Just talk to a sports fan about their team and see if the first thing they say back is about their rival.
No one wants to address their own problems and short comings without attacking others.
Imus got exactly what he deserved. Not because he's a racist. I personally found the fact that he called the girls ho's the offensive part. He got what he deserved because he, like Stephen A. Smith said, had been trusted by his employer with the opportunity to be in front of the mic. He not only represents himself but that employer, his family,HIS CORPORATE SPONSORS, and others. The comparison to rappers and comedians and talk of double standards etc. is misplaced. The man made a stupid comment at work that cost him his job--- end of story.
BTW, thanks to Felicia Katt for being the most spot on during this!!

If you want to draw rap parallels, think back to the Ludacris Pepsi campaign that got cancelled because some white media host used his power to put economic pressure on Pepsi--- perfectly within his rights to do so--- this is more like that!

[THATSMISSJUNECUZYANASTY]

Popped into the thread to see what was happening and saw all these poor oppressed white men. Oh, the tragedy, the horror of being a white male!! Being born into such priviledge!! My gawd, you poor, poor souls...on so many levels.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I like.... Love you.

[alwaysforyou]

When can we say lets move forward and step away from the past. We need to learn from our mistakes and progress as a society not as black or white people. The world will not change quickly but if we continue to point the finger at one another and call each other racists and bigots then we will only stay where we currently stand.

[THATSMISSJUNECUZYANASTY]

Youre response was well thought out and for that u are applauded,

Interesting.. did you actually take the time to READ IT?... or are you still rambling on a platform convinced that your reasoning is THE SALVATION FOR HUMANKIND?? (LOL... I LOVE people like you)



however you seem to be more concerned with semantics and labels then you are with dealing with the whole ball of wax.

My answer to you WAS the "whole ball of wax" that you seem obstinate to take a look at. I gave you detailed, terms, reasonings, and PROOF as to what racism IS and how a person of color is unable to be a racist. I assume from this "whole ball of wax" statement you made... that you have taken nothing I have said into account.
And furthermore... seeing as how you would rather spout off abstract views that are not based on any facts in order to "save face" in some sad egotistical way without actually reading what has been written to you... i'll just stop writing.
This is not a fight for me- because I live this everyday... I realize it's the truth. And, my time is WAY too valuable for me to squander it here in the "HA" discussion forum on those who are selectively deaf and unwilling to be taught something new. Please feel free to continue living your life with your rigid ideas and beliefs... unwilling to see other perspectives. THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO LIVE, YOU KNOW! :wink:

~MiSs JuNe~

[Kramer]

hey legend you piece of shit, no one verbally embarrassed anyone. That was a long time ago, I cant recall what it was about, nor do I want to.

Now im going over to see the revs to make a blanket apology for speaking the truth. You dikhead! :lol:

[Legend]

hey legend you piece of shit, no one verbally embarrassed anyone. That was a long time ago, I cant recall what it was about, nor do I want to.

Now im going over to see the revs to make a blanket apology for speaking the truth. You dikhead! :lol:

nice vocabulary nimrod you can't form any kind of statement without calling someone "a piece of shit" or a wrongfully spelled "dikhead" as it has been said by you many times on here what is that the only kind of language your tiny brain can come up with,can you comprehend that most of the users on here know what your about and it isn't much.From your use of the word fag to your blantant racist it is apparent you breed hate.

[ILuvGurls]

don't think this was posted in the thread so far, found this in the Kansas City newspaper, the writer is Jason Whitlock, for those that don't know, Jason is black.


Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.


http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html

[tubgirl]

nice vocabulary nimrod you can't form any kind of statement without calling someone "a piece of shit" or a wrongfully spelled "dikhead" as it has been said by you many times on here what is that the only kind of language your tiny brain can come up with,can you comprehend that most of the users on here know what your about and it isn't much.From your use of the word fag to your blantant racist it is apparent you breed hate.

this post is the definition of irony...

[tubgirl]

don't think this was posted in the thread so far, found this in the Kansas City newspaper, the writer is Jason Whitlock, for those that don't know, Jason is black.


Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.


http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html

excellent post, thank you

[beatmaker]

FOR ALL YOU WHITE PEOPLE WHO CLAIM BLACK COMEDIANS CAN MAKE JOKES ABOUT WHITES (i.e DAVE CHAPELLE OR CHRIS ROCK) AND WHINE ABOUT PERCEIVED DOUBLE STANDARDS; PLEASE VIEW A WHITE FEMALE COMEDIANNE NAMED LISA LAMPINELLI. CHECK OUT THE FIRST CLIP "TAKE IT LIKE A MAN", THEN COME BACK AND WHINE ABOUT SOME B.S DOUBLE STANDARD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK0TAlc9C3o

http://www.insultcomic.com/clippics.shtml

HER STUFF IS WAY WORSE THAN THOSE TWO BROTHERS, BUT THE BLACKS THAT WATCH HER, SHOW LOVE, AS SHE ISN"T TRYING TO BE MALICIOUS. IMUS HAS BEEN MAKING THESE NASTY, RACIST COMMENTS ABOUT BLACKS, ASIANS, JEWS, GAYS AND ON FOR DECADES.

[Legend]

Oprah Winfrey to take on the Don Imus controversy


Oprah Winfrey will turn her Monday show into a town-hall discussion of the Don Imus controversy.

Her guests will include hip-hop artist Common; Jason Whitlock, a sports columnist for The Kansas City Star; Bruce Gordon, former president of the NAACP; and Russell Simmons, co-founder of Def Jam Records. Via satellite, the Rev. Al Sharpton will join the discussion.

Cable news and the morning news programs have covered the Imus story heavily, but Winfrey could break new ground. Or you have to hope she'll break new ground.

A release from "The Oprah Winfrey Show" said: "The group will address whether or not there is a double standard in this country, what behavior different races are willing and not willing to tolerate, and why women and minorities often are targets for derogatory and degrading comments. Winfrey asks the panel to consider if this incident could be a 'tipping point' for American society."

Ah, tipping point ... that's been a term thrown around frequently.

Should be a interesting discussion, i will definitely watch it.

[beatmaker]

Why is it, that when a white person makes a racially insensitive remark, you look to promote some black apologist? So what, Jason Whitlock is black and believes that whites should have free reign on the airwaves and that gangta rap (i.e black people) is real the problem. So what! I can see how this type of negro would appeal to some whites, as he provides some perceived absolution, by diverting the problem back to his own people. This whole Imus discussion has been perverted into "Well look at the black people, they do it to". It reminds me when you got in trouble as a child, so in a feeble attempt to worm your way out of punishment or an ass whipping, you started telling about all that things your brother or sister did, that were similar. Oh mom, why you only spanking me, Johnny broke one of your fine china plates throwing a football in the house and you didn't spank him. This is the same pathology that is driving "some" in white America today, as it pertains to the Don Imus debacle. It was also employed during the Michael Richards incident, as well.

[chefmike]

don't think this was posted in the thread so far, found this in the Kansas City newspaper, the writer is Jason Whitlock, for those that don't know, Jason is black.


Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.


http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html

It was posted earlier in this thread, and yes, it's a good editorial...

[chefmike]

Oprah Winfrey to take on the Don Imus controversy


Oprah Winfrey will turn her Monday show into a town-hall discussion of the Don Imus controversy.

Her guests will include hip-hop artist Common; Jason Whitlock, a sports columnist for The Kansas City Star; Bruce Gordon, former president of the NAACP; and Russell Simmons, co-founder of Def Jam Records. Via satellite, the Rev. Al Sharpton will join the discussion.

Cable news and the morning news programs have covered the Imus story heavily, but Winfrey could break new ground. Or you have to hope she'll break new ground.

A release from "The Oprah Winfrey Show" said: "The group will address whether or not there is a double standard in this country, what behavior different races are willing and not willing to tolerate, and why women and minorities often are targets for derogatory and degrading comments. Winfrey asks the panel to consider if this incident could be a 'tipping point' for American society."

Ah, tipping point ... that's been a term thrown around frequently.

Should be a interesting discussion, i will definitely watch it.

I have no doubt that the Oprah show is pretty riveting stuff to a cartoon-loving cretin such as yourself....

However, I notice that you didn't have one of your usual erudite comments regarding Imus and his battle against autism, half-wit.

Not to make light of the subject of autism, but I would think that the whole autism thing would hit particularly close to home with you, 'tardboy....

[Legend]

Lost On Jason Whitlock
By Jarrett Carter

Not Tavis, Not Reverends Al or Jesse, but a sports reporter out of Kansas City will lead Black folk to the promised land.

Or, at the very least, save us from rap music.

At face value, Jason Whitlock appears to be a very intelligent, thoughtful, and charismatic individual genuinely concerned with the Black American crisis. His platform for reaching the masses has not been through protest or pulpit, but through the sports pages. From playoffs to unwanted pregnancy, lewd touchdown celebrations to lewd rap lyrics, Whitlock had it pretty much covered.

But even 'Big Sexy' can get ugly.

For a while now, Whitlock has a had a running feud with Hip-Hop culture, particularly its music. He has referred to rappers as thugs, coons, and bojanglers on a regular basis, and has even gone far enough to refer to specific rap artists as "the Black KKK." Now he's set his sights on the Don Imus situation, and the heavy involvement of Rev. Al Sharpton and Rev. Jesse Jackson.

In a recent interview on MSNBC, Whitlock referred to Sharpton and Jackson as "terrorists," and accused them of "starting fires and creating divisiveness" with their involvement in this incident, and in the Duke lacrosse scandal. Not an outrageous claim in the least bit, but from a man who was fired from ESPN after criticizing a fellow African-American broadcaster in Michael Irvin, and an African-American sportswriter in Scoop Jackson, well, you know what they say about kettles and that pesky color-complex they can have.

Whitlock has made a career on analyzing, dissecting and elaborating on points that go against the general consensus. Anyone can be a contrarian, but it takes a special talent to make a living off of it. Now its putting him at the national forefront as a leading voice on America's Racial Problem. While Jason Whitlock is a master at eliciting thought and emotion at the same time, what he has not mastered is giving considerable thought to his own arguments, particularly in regards to the hip-hop culture and the generations living in it.

Much of Whitlock's angst against Hip-Hop is that there is little to no responsibility in its misogynistic and violent lyrics. Bitches and hoes, gatts and blow, that all a young brother knows in the African-American community, according to Whitlock. Single moms, delinquent dads? Yep, that's hip-hop's fault. More Black men in jail than in college? Yeah, mixtapes have been known to have an adverse affect on decision making and SAT preparation.

But what about the deeper lying aspects of these problems? They don't call pimping and hoeing the world's oldest profession for nothing. Materialism and greed? Mostly American ideals that our folks just happened to pick up when we didn't have much else going for us between slavery and Ronald Reagan. Broken households, a lack of value on education and a reliance on crime? Institutionalized for much longer than it hasn't been. Surely no one can expect hundreds of years to be undone with less than 50 years of "equal rights."

Or maybe we're supposed to.

While Whitlock's perspective is easily understood, and can even draw a certain level of acceptance, it's completely unfounded, and he's smart enough to know that. In his position, with his level of experience, I'm sure he knows that he's vainly rallying against symptoms, and not actual problems. As a football aficionado, I'm quite certain he wouldn't look at a quarterback with a broken wrist throwing interceptions, and say he's unable to read coverages. So why is it so simple to assign blame of the crisis of our culture to one singular aspect? Oh, I know, because it comes on TV and makes millions of dollars.

Something I'm sure Whitlock wouldn't mind doing.

Could you really blame Whitlock if he found a path to getting some of that action, particularly if the folks mostly interested in his views are nervous, conservative White folks willing to pay him to keep it up? Interestingly enough, rappers and coons have probably made more money off shucking and jiving and have fed more folks through their buffooning then he ever will criticizing them.

Let's face it, Whitlock is capitalizing off this moment in the sun like no other. I'm not saying his views are totally wrong, I'm as conservative a brother as there is for someone who uses the term "n*gga," and listens to rap music. But I'm smart enough to know that in the blame game, nobody wins. I'm not making excuses for hip-hop and the problems that it has with denigrating women, worshiping material acquisition and celebrating violence. But if Italians don't have to worry about Tony Soprano representing them, and Jewish brothers and sisters don't have to worry about Larry David representing them, I'm not tripping off anyone who looks at me and hears "Straight Outta Compton" in their minds.

I respect Jason Whitlock's attempt at trying to help our people. He deserves attention because, in a distinct and peculiar way, he's just trying to help. Still, you wouldn't walk up to a screaming child and call it a Sambo for being so loud. The problems he is addressing as the ills of the Black community are symptomatic of a true American crisis, and his brash and undeveloped approach to discussing it makes him as big a terrorist as Rev. Al.

A big, media-sexy terrorist.

[Legend]

Oprah Winfrey to take on the Don Imus controversy


Oprah Winfrey will turn her Monday show into a town-hall discussion of the Don Imus controversy.

Her guests will include hip-hop artist Common; Jason Whitlock, a sports columnist for The Kansas City Star; Bruce Gordon, former president of the NAACP; and Russell Simmons, co-founder of Def Jam Records. Via satellite, the Rev. Al Sharpton will join the discussion.

Cable news and the morning news programs have covered the Imus story heavily, but Winfrey could break new ground. Or you have to hope she'll break new ground.

A release from "The Oprah Winfrey Show" said: "The group will address whether or not there is a double standard in this country, what behavior different races are willing and not willing to tolerate, and why women and minorities often are targets for derogatory and degrading comments. Winfrey asks the panel to consider if this incident could be a 'tipping point' for American society."

Ah, tipping point ... that's been a term thrown around frequently.

Should be a interesting discussion, i will definitely watch it.

I have no doubt that the Oprah show is pretty riveting stuff to a cartoon-loving cretin such as yourself....

However, I notice that you didn't have one of your usual erudite comments regarding Imus and his battle against autism, half-wit.

Not to make light of the subject of autism, but I would think that the whole autism thing would hit particularly close to home with you, 'tardboy....

I'm sure hitler gave to a couple of worthy charities of his liking my good old wise freind chef that didn't excuse the hatred that was coming out of his mouth now does it and to use autism as a way to gain sympathy for mr.imus by you or anyone is a cowardly method.

I'd rather listen to oprah and other african americans who actually been through racism themselves them look at comments by old white males who have never been through any form racism in their life but for some reason they can excuse comments like the one made by imus so easily.

First it's freedom of speech then it's well he learned it from them and know his has done charity work so it's ok,use of profanity and the objectification of women in hip-hop lyrics have been fought against for years in the african american community this imus case was just multiplied by the media and his firing was because of money.But to think no one has tried to stop the use of harsh language in hip hop or african american community is insulting to them while many have tried as it seems they have failed.

Sharpton criticizes ‘Boondocks’ for n-word use


Updated: 1:42 p.m. AKT Jan 25, 2006

NEW YORK - The Rev. Al Sharpton has asked for an apology from Cartoon Network for an episode of edgy animated series “The Boondocks” that shows the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. saying the n-word.

“Cartoon Network must apologize and also commit to pulling episodes that desecrate black historic figures,” Sharpton, a civil-rights activist and former Democratic presidential candidate, said in a statement Tuesday.

“We are totally offended by the continuous use of the n-word in [cartoonist Aaron] McGruder’s show.”


Rev. Al Sharpton Speaks Out Against Violence in Hip-Hop; Anti-Yayo Protest


Tony Yayo and his G-Unit camp were marked men in New York City on Monday (april 2) as protesters took to the streets wearing "Ban 50" t-shirts and smashing G-Unit CDs.

In a press conference before the rally, Reverend Al Sharpton joined Czar Entertainment President Bryce Wilson and Cynthia Reed in an act of public grievance for an alleged assault on Reed's 14-year-old son by G-Unit's Tony Yayo. Along with other parents and community leaders, they issued a call to action to advocate against artists and industry executives who use violence to sell records.

Yayo (real name: Marvin Bernard) was arrested on March 24 and charged with harassment and endangering the welfare of a child (see "G-Unit's Tony Yayo Arrested For Allegedly Slapping Teen") in connection with an incident in which he allegedly attacked the 14-year-old son of Jimmy "Henchmen" Rosemond, who is The Game's manager and CEO of Czar Entertainment.

The mother of Rosemond's son, Cynthia Reed, said she was "disappointed" and "disgusted" by her son's treatment and the failure of G-Unit Records to contact her after the incident.

"There has to be accountability for artists who use violence against our children to sell records or settle a dispute," she said.

Reed called on Universal/Interscope Records, the parent company of G-Unit Records, to discipline their artists and drop Yayo from the label. She also urged Vitamin Water, Adidas/Reebok, and Marc Ecko to discontinue all business dealings with G-Unit artists.

Rev. Al Sharpton said a line had been crossed and emphasized the need to settle the issue of violence in hip-hop once and for all.

"I'm not here to take sides," he said. "I'm here to say that all sides are letting us down and need to come down to the table again and create a level of decency and respect for the communities that have been the basis for your [the rappers'] wealth. We put the –ing in your bling-bling and have no choice but to try to take the –ing out of your bling-bling by withdrawing our support commercially of your records and the use of airwaves... Without the –ing, you're just blah. And no record label wants blah."

Rev. Sharpton also spoke of the so-called "Schomburg Accord," referring to the 2005 press conference that he helped organize in which 50 Cent and The Game called a truce to their beef at the The Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture in Harlem (see "50 Cent, The Game Make Peace; Holding Press Conference To Announce New Plans"). Sharpton appealed for a new peace accord and a summit where he can meet once again with 50 Cent, The Game, and other members of the record industry and community to address the problem of violence in hip-hop.

"It is my prayer that we will one day see that the blood that binds us is deeper than the record labels that divide us," he said. "The record labels split up money at the bank while we're splitting up each other's flesh and blood in the streets."

Representing Mr. Rosemond's company, Czar Entertainment President Bryce Wilson called the alleged attack "cowardly" and "immoral," but stressed that it was an isolated incident that "had nothing to do with our company or artists." He denounced the "culture of so-called gangsters" that has emerged in hip-hop and called for greater accountability and higher moral standards.

"Rappers idolize gangsters, and kids idolize rappers," Wilson said. "But even in the movie 'Scarface,' Scarface died because he refused to harm a child and a wife."

Also speaking at the conference were Brooklyn City Councilman Charles Barron and Stephanie Hires, the ex-girlfriend of Israel Ramirez, who was killed while working on the site of a Busta Rhyme's video shoot in February of 2006. Despite rumors to the contrary, Russell Simmons, Dr. Ben Chavez, and the Hip-Hop Summit Action Network (HSAN) chose not to attend. In a statement, they affirmed their hopes that the issues between Yayo, Henchman, and Czar Entertainment will be solved peacefully and promptly.

Following the conference, the public rally convened at 1755 Broadway outside the building that houses Universal Music Group. Parents, children, and community leaders picketed on the street with signs and tee-shirts bearing slogans such as "Ban 50," "Save the Kids," and "Say No to Yayo." A larger crowd gathered as the ringleaders led chants of "Ban 50 Cent" while smashing copies of G-Unit CDs and cutting up articles of G-Unit clothing.

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Protestors cutting up G-Unit clothing; Photo: BallerStatus / Starrene Rhett

Michael Kenneth Williams, who plays the character Omar on HBO's The Wire, attended the press conference and the rally. He showed his support for his manager, Mr. Rosemond, and rest of the victim's family.

"In the past, [Yayo] never would have even thought about doing this because it probably would have got dealt with by our community," Williams told BallerStatus.com. "This conference shows that people care and it matter what happens to our youth."

50 Cent has recently launched his own investigation into the alleged assault. He claims to have been recording songs at his home in Farmington, CT, when the incident took place.

[beatmaker]

[quote=beatmaker] However, as a black man I've always wondered what historical and present day subtext, do some whites have to stand on, to justify their hostility and animous towards blacks. What, we talk loudly in the movie theater, you dislike rap music and fashion, or the high crime rate amongst some blacks gives you license to say "Were evenl quote]

Im amused by the last few words in this statement..."We're Even"

Even?? What exactly do you mean by "Even"...like blacks are owed a debt from whites? Like because of slavery modern white folks are responsible for the actions of some rednecks a couple hundred years ago,probably way before a majority of current white Americans families ever even immigrated to this country?!

Even??? WOW!

DJ ASIA, you are so uninformed it's pathetic. "Some rednecks" huh! I guess the Civil War was between the entire Union (Northern) army and a few rednecks (Confederacy) driving around in Ford F-150's with shotgun racks drinking Jack Daniels and chewing tobacco. Is that your interpretation on our history, sir? Furthermore, there were plenty of racial atrocities post-slavery, like Rosewood or the Tulsa Oklahoma Race Riot of 1921. What about the United States government trying to suppress the Civil Rights movement of the 1960's by any means necessary. Please watch this link on COINTELPRO, J Edgar Hoover (former Director of the FBI) and the black Civil Right movement of the 1960's, since you seem to assume it was all peachy for black folks after slavery.

http://video.google.com/videoplaydocid=3729458480013375211&q=Black+COINTELPRO&hl=en

The United States goverment has given casino licenses to numerous Native American tribes throughout the U.S. Why would they do that DJ ASIA, because they're nice guys? No, because they OWE those people for stealing and pillaging their land and resources, bottomline. The Native Americans that were victimized are long gone and so are the white men that performed those atrocities. Why did Germany provide reparations to Holocaust survivors and their family, to the tune of $815 millions dollars to the state of Israel. Not much, considering the collective grief, but an attempt to pay an unpayable debt, nevertheless. Say our great-grandfathers are in business to together and built a multimillion dollar business 75 years ago, but my great-grandfather cheats and swindles your great-grandfather out of his share of the business. Fast forward 2007, I'm sitting high on the hog with a family business and legacy in the hundreds of millions and you, nothing! But, I guess since I didn't personally stab your family in the back, I don't owe you shit do I? The answer is yes. I should right the wrong of my forefathers. This doesn't mean a personal check with a lot of zeros, but possibly giving you 10-20% of my (our) company's stock, even if you would of had half of it anyway, if not for the sins of my hypothethical great-greatfather. Many people act like whites will have to go into their personal bank accounts and then every black will get an individual check. Some of you watch too much Dave Chapelle. Germany gave the state of Israel and living survivors that money. Actually, $715M went to Israel and a little over $100M went to the living Holocaust survivors. You still have people living from the Japanese Internment Camps, but are they getting the reparations they deserve? No! Then 50-100 years from now, it will be "I don't OWE you anything, that was the sin of our forefathers". As far as white immigrants being let of the hook, some of the most brutal cases of police brutality, past and present (at least in NYC) were performed at the hands of Irish and Italians police officers. The law enforcement establishment in New York was virulently racist and many judges, prosecutors and police officers were immigrants or 1st generation Americans. The beloved Rudy Giulaini (yeah right), former mayor of NYC and 9/11 exploiter, father Harold was an Italian immigrant who was the second coming of Archie Bunker. His family's former housekeeper (she wasn't black) said he was extremely racist and would make all kind of slurs and racist remarks around the house. Ironically, for a man that felt he was superior to blacks, he was a convicted felon and stick-up man. Harold Giuliani, also acted as an enforcer for a Mafia loansharking operation and did time in Sing-Sing. His favorite collection tool was a baseball bat. So, no wonder racial tensions were at their apex under this dude's so-called leadership in NYC. DJ ASIA, since you're so taken back by the word "EVEN", why don't you go into some right-winged and/or white supremacist forums and chatrooms and see how many whites believe affirmative action and more absurdly welfare, is America's reparations for slavery. See, how many say we EVEN with those N's for slavery, as they collect billions in welfare benefits and are a drain on the criminal justice system. So, since you have your panties in bunch, won't you get at those cats and stop wasting my time with sematics.

I'm kinda sick of having discussions with people who aren't black and have read not one book about the black experience in this country, past and present, yet want to be so damn smug in their comments. Ironically, these same people don't seem to feel this way, when their people are in the line of fire. DJ Asia aren't you from Thailand anyway? If so, what the fuck do you know about the black experience in the United States?

[Jericho]

The United States goverment has given casino licenses to numerous Native American tribes throughout the U.S. Why would they do that DJ ASIA, because they're nice guys?

Rather than repararations for past wrongs, i thought that was more to do with reservations being exempt from certain state gambling laws?

[alwaysforyou]

Lisa Lampanelli is in love with black men which she feels gives her the right to ridicule them. She has been on Howard Stern's show numerous times and has said that she loves black men. SHe also said she could never again go with a white man because they can't fuck as good as a black man can.

Beatmaker you need to know the history before you go pointing the finger.

[ezed]

Thank you for tuning into another episode of "Civilisation"! Be sure to tune in tomorrow night when we weigh in on the impact of the Oprah show on the future of music in America. I am your host Sir Kenneth Clark

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

40 pages in less than a week, dare I say a new HA record

[DJ_Asia]

[quote=beatmaker] However, as a black man I've always wondered what historical and present day subtext, do some whites have to stand on, to justify their hostility and animous towards blacks. What, we talk loudly in the movie theater, you dislike rap music and fashion, or the high crime rate amongst some blacks gives you license to say "Were evenl quote]

Im amused by the last few words in this statement..."We're Even"

Even?? What exactly do you mean by "Even"...like blacks are owed a debt from whites? Like because of slavery modern white folks are responsible for the actions of some rednecks a couple hundred years ago,probably way before a majority of current white Americans families ever even immigrated to this country?!

Even??? WOW!

DJ Asia aren't you from Thailand anyway? If so, what the fuck do you know about the black experience in the United States?

FYI not that I OWE you ANYTHING...but...

Im american,born and raised.My grandfather was black as ive stated before,if you had taken the time to read all my posts as opposed to getting only some of the facts and then going off on some lame tangent,you'd already know that.

You are entitled to your own opinion,and so am I.

Keep standing there expecting white america to OWE you and in 25,50,100,500 years from now your grandkids will be waiting too.

[Solitary Brother]

The bottom line is the black "community" is polluted.....absolutely FILLED with foul rap music,foul rappers and FOUL individuals.
This whole bruhaha is symptomatic of the total disfunction in the black community.
Crime,illeteracy,high unemployment,drug abuse,illegitamate children......
these are ALL symptoms of OUR disfunction.
WE as a people have to start to respect each other a LITTLE bit because right now we dont.

Let the hateful responses begin...............

[TomSelis]

Crime,illeteracy,high unemployment,drug abuse,illegitamate children......
these are ALL symptoms of OUR disfunction.
begin...............


Oh, the irony.... :lol:

[chefmike]

40 pages in less than a week, dare I say a new HA record
I hope that you're proud of yourself, young man....

[Kabuki]

The bottom line is the black "community" is polluted.....absolutely FILLED with foul rap music,foul rappers and FOUL individuals.
This whole bruhaha is symptomatic of the total disfunction in the black community.
Crime,illeteracy,high unemployment,drug abuse,illegitamate children......
these are ALL symptoms of OUR disfunction.
WE as a people have to start to respect each other a LITTLE bit because right now we dont.

Let the hateful responses begin...............

As a black male, I can say that all the black community is not polluted. I just wanted to make that clear. Like any other community, we have our issues.

I see the good and the bad in my community. I see the educated black families, and I see the crack dealers in the hood. I see many families in the hood trying to live positively.

I don't know why this statement was made, but I'm not going to let it feed the generalization that is going on here. Especially when I'm an educated black man, who has never been a part of the "pollution".

[chefmike]

Crime,illeteracy,high unemployment,drug abuse,illegitamate children......
these are ALL symptoms of OUR disfunction.
begin...............


Oh, the irony.... :lol:

What do you expect from the dipshit who was formerly known around here as geekmeat?

Same as it ever was....

[chefmike]

And what about white folks like myself, who have relatives who arrived here from across the pond in indentured servitude?

Slavery can sometimes be a state of mind.

[Kabuki]

Video of Racist Incident at German Army Barracks Appears on Video Portal

by Markus Schlegel

Germany today had its next debate about a scandal in its armed forces, as journalists of newsweekly 'Stern' dug out the video of an incident said to have taken place in June of 2006 already in a barrack in the North of Germany. The video shows an instructor asking a recruit to fire rounds at "Afro Americans" who "offend" the recruit's "mother in strong language".

The instructor asks the recruit to fire at the ficticious "Afro Americans" shouting "Motherfucker". Reports say that the instructor has been removed from his task last year already after complaints by German personnel at the barracks.

If anything, the video shows how the media indoctrination of marginalisation works its way into simpler minds. Therefore the video might give a better understanding of why the likes of Lynnedie England ultimately overstep every yellow or red line.

Were it not so sad what the wrong mass media bombardment can do in simpler minds, the video would almost seem an original Monty Python setup.

http://www.nowpublic.com/video_of_racist_incident_at_german_army_barracks_a ppears_on_video_portal_1

[ezed]

The bottom line is the black "community" is polluted.....absolutely FILLED with foul rap music,foul rappers and FOUL individuals.
This whole bruhaha is symptomatic of the total disfunction in the black community.
Crime,illeteracy,high unemployment,drug abuse,illegitamate children......
these are ALL symptoms of OUR disfunction.
WE as a people have to start to respect each other a LITTLE bit because right now we dont.

Let the hateful responses begin...............

As a black male, I can say that all the black community is not polluted. I just wanted to make that clear. Like any other community, we have our issues.

I see the good and the bad in my community. I see the educated black families, and I see the crack dealers in the hood. I see many families in the hood trying to live positively.

I don't know why this statement was made, but I'm not going to let it feed the generalization that is going on here. Especially when I'm an educated black man, who has never been a part of the "pollution".

You are 100% correct. Unfortunately a shit fire has been lit in the front yard and now it's spreading setting the progress back but not enough to impede the progress that has been made. Keep to what you believe and progress will continue, despite the talking heads.

[TomSelis]

The bottom line is the black "community" is polluted.....absolutely FILLED with foul rap music,foul rappers and FOUL individuals.
This whole bruhaha is symptomatic of the total disfunction in the black community.
Crime,illeteracy,high unemployment,drug abuse,illegitamate children......
these are ALL symptoms of OUR disfunction.
WE as a people have to start to respect each other a LITTLE bit because right now we dont.

Let the hateful responses begin...............

As a black male, I can say that all the black community is not polluted. I just wanted to make that clear. Like any other community, we have our issues.

I see the good and the bad in my community. I see the educated black families, and I see the crack dealers in the hood. I see many families in the hood trying to live positively.

I don't know why this statement was made, but I'm not going to let it feed the generalization that is going on here. Especially when I'm an educated black man, who has never been a part of the "pollution".

You are 100% correct. Unfortunately a shit fire has been lit in the front yard and now it's spreading setting the progress back but not enough to impede the progress that has been made. Keep to what you believe and progress will continue, despite the talking heads.

I know I shot Geek a snarky comment, but really respect starts from within and not saying "we're lost" or "dysfunctional." My family are immigrants and always taught me to go get mine. It's a good thing that everybody doesn't think like that.
Or else this wouldn't be going on.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/01/nyregion/01census.html?ex=1317355200&en=2ef39d445a4d36da&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

[crayons]

The bottom line is the black "community" is polluted.....absolutely FILLED with foul rap music,foul rappers and FOUL individuals.
This whole bruhaha is symptomatic of the total disfunction in the black community.
Crime,illeteracy,high unemployment,drug abuse,illegitamate children......
these are ALL symptoms of OUR disfunction.
WE as a people have to start to respect each other a LITTLE bit because right now we dont.

Let the hateful responses begin...............

As a black male, I can say that all the black community is not polluted. I just wanted to make that clear. Like any other community, we have our issues.

I see the good and the bad in my community. I see the educated black families, and I see the crack dealers in the hood. I see many families in the hood trying to live positively.

I don't know why this statement was made, but I'm not going to let it feed the generalization that is going on here. Especially when I'm an educated black man, who has never been a part of the "pollution".

I don't think Solitary Brother meant "all" black people are polluted- just the majority of...
I've actually been on some dating sites where the black gentlemen have put in their posts that they don't have any children- almost as though they have to mention it like it's a normal thing.

[Kabuki]

I don't think Solitary Brother meant "all" black people are polluted- just the majority of...
I've actually been on some dating sites where the black gentlemen have put in their posts that they don't have any children- almost as though they have to mention it like it's a normal thing.

The majority of the black community isn't polluted though. His statement is still flawed. My Mother doesn't listen to hip-hop, and walk around calling people the "N" word. The youth may be on track to being misguided, but even there...you have intelligent young people trying to make a difference in this world. Every black person doesn't live in the hood. Every person in the hood isn't living off the system and gang banging. I swear that the black community is so stereotyped...it's ridiculous. America is really going backwards, and I fear the future.

And for the no kids comment, everyone assumes that black males must have a couple of kids in the world. So, I'm not surprised about what they post. I actually have no kids as well. It seems almost pointless to debate about the black community. I don't think anyone is listening, or open to understanding what I'm saying.

[Quinn]

I don't think anyone is listening, or open to understanding what I'm saying.

For what it's worth, Kabuki, I've found your posts to be excellent, even when I've disagreed with them. People are listening.

-Quinn

[chefmike]

I don't think anyone is listening, or open to understanding what I'm saying.

For what it's worth, Kabuki, I've found your posts to be excellent, even when I've disagreed with them. People are listening.

-Quinn

Agreed.

[tubgirl]

bump because it's true:

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w18/masterovdiz/topicaldonimus.swf

[chefmike]

Imus won't go quietly

The talk show host has hired a top First Amendment lawyer, and an unusual clause in his contract could give him a $40 million payday, writes Fortune's Tim Arango.
By Tim Arango, Fortune writer
May 2 2007: 12:48 PM EDT


NEW YORK (Fortune) -- Don Imus, the tousled and acerbic radio host whose racial remarks engendered a media storm that triggered a swift upending of his career, is not going away quietly even if the imbroglio has all but disappeared from the national conversation in the wake of the Virginia Tech massacre.

For Imus, who made a career out of operating in the murky space between sophomoric humor and high-brow political talk, there is the little matter of about $40 million left on his contract with CBS Radio - whose boss Les Moonves fired the shock jock on April 12. CBS' lawyers contend Imus was fired for cause and not owed the rest of the money.

But Imus has hired one of the nation's premiere First Amendment attorneys, and the two sides are gearing up for a legal showdown that could turn on how language in his contract that encouraged the radio host to be irreverent and engage in character attacks is interpreted, according to one person who has read the contract.

The language, according to this source, was part of a five-year contract that went into effect in 2006 and that paid Imus close to $10 million a year. It stipulates that Imus be given a warning before being fired for doing what he made a career out of - making off-color jokes. The source described it as a "dog has one- bite clause." A lawsuit could be filed within a month, this person predicted.

A CBS spokesman declined comment, and Imus, through his attorney, also declined an interview.

Bo Dietl, a private investigator and author who is a long-time Imus confidante and was a regular guest on the show, has been making the rounds of the cable talk shows defending his friend and had this to say to Fortune: "I just heard that there is a contract in place, and that he can't be fired without a warning."

Will Imus put a dent in CBS' stock?

Imus has hired Martin Garbus, a New York-based attorney at the law firm Davis & Gilbert who is widely recognized as one of the country's most able First Amendment lawyers. Time Magazine, for one, has called him "legendary, one of the best trial lawyers in the country." He's successfully represented the comedian Lenny Bruce against criminal charges on First Amendment grounds, and the writer Robert Sam Anson in a lawsuit filed by Walt Disney trying to halt the publication of a book critical of the media giant.

But in Imus' case, his free speech rights are tempered by the fact that he said what he said on the public airwaves - which are subject to Federal Communications Commission regulations about what is appropriate content.

"[Garbus is] a First Amendment lawyer who's argued many important cases," said Washington, D.C.-based attorney Lynne Bernabei, who has often represented plaintiffs in employment disputes. "I'm sure they're trying to make this a First Amendment case. But the airwaves are heavily regulated by the FCC.

"In my mind there is a big difference between someone who is under contract and is under FCC regulations and someone who speaks out in town hall. This is someone in a heavily regulated industry and who used the public airwaves."

Bernabei also said that any contract stipulations that allow for provocative content on Imus' show are probably balanced by "something in the contract about appropriate content."

She said, "I'm sure CBS has something about conduct - that he can't use profanity and has to abide by FCC regulations."

So under this argument, the case could turn on whether Imus' comments - which referred to members of the Rutgers women's basketball team as "nappy-headed hos" - meets the definition of profanity under FCC guidelines. The FCC, on its Web site, defines profanity as "including language so grossly offensive to members of the public who actually hear it as to amount to a nuisance."

In some people's minds, CBS (Charts, Fortune 500) would have a slam dunk in making that case. Then there would be the matter of whether or not Imus ever quietly received warnings for previous offensive racial remarks. And there were several, including once referring to the New York Times African-American sports columnist Bill Rhoden as a "quota hire" and PBS anchor Gwen Ifill, who is black, as a "cleaning lady."

Meanwhile, Imus plans to retreat to his ranch in New Mexico for the summer before deciding whether to make another go of it on the radio. Many have speculated he could wind up in the unregulated world of satellite radio, but Dietl, his close friend, thinks he'll be back on terrestrial radio. "He's going to take off the summer, but I think he'll be back and stronger than ever," he said.

[ds5929]

Gee, Imus=loudmouthed jerk. And this surprised exactly who? and why? He was a slightly toned-down shock jock for 30 years. Never bothered me, as my radios all have tuning controls on them, and an off-on switch to boot.

[ezed]

Imus knows what he's doing. As for CBS, "Duck and Cover"

[chefmike]

Imus producer: Sharpton a 'race-baiter'


NEW YORK - Don Imus' former producer on Friday called Rev. Al Sharpton a "race-baiter" who was looking for attention when he led a campaign to fire the radio host, while Sharpton said Imus and his producer got what they deserved for making a racist, sexist remark on the air.

Bernard McGuirk and Sharpton appeared together for a combative debate on Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes" show. The producer was fired last month for his part in an exchange on the "Imus in the Morning" program in which the members of the Rutgers University women's basketball team were called "nappy-headed hos."

MSNBC took Imus' show off the air on April 11 and CBS fired him from his syndicated radio program a day later for the slur. McGuirk, a 20-year producer and on-air jester for the show that originated on WFAN-AM in New York, called the team "hardcore hos" in the April 4 exchange with Imus. Sharpton held protests and lobbied both networks to fire Imus.

McGuirk called Sharpton a "crude ... opportunist, a race-baiter" who campaigned against Imus to help his own career and raise his profile.

While McGuirk acknowledged that "these words did hurt these girls," he added, "until you, Reverend Al, got involved, they probably never would have heard of it. They would have probably never, quote unquote, got scarred for life until you got involved for your own self-serving interests."

Sharpton said he wasn't looking for more attention — "if you have any recollection at all, I had been in the papers all year," he said. He said Imus and McGuirk may have apologized for the remark, but "forgiveness is not the point. The question is the penalty."

"Consumers have the right to say to advertisers, are your standards going to be where people are attacked based on your gender and race?" Sharpton said.

McGuirk countered that Sharpton "terrorized these spineless, thumbsucking executives" into taking Imus off the air. In an earlier appearance on "Hannity & Colmes," he said the executives "were in a fetal position under their desks sucking their thumbs on their BlackBerrys, trying to coordinate their response."

Sharpton responded: "What he is saying is we want to apologize and we want to decide what the penalty is." He said that most people wanted Imus fired, including a minister who arranged Imus' meeting with the Rutgers team, and many NBC employees.

"Is Al Roker one of these guys hiding under the desk with a BlackBerry?" Sharpton asked.

McGuirk said that Imus "made one small mistake. He ran a red light" and shouldn't have been fired.

He asked Sharpton. "Who elected you the PC police chief? Who elected you to anything?"

Imus has not spoken publicly since his dismissal, but his lawyer has said he intends to sue CBS for $120 million, and said that the network encouraged irreverent, off-color comments on the program.

[hwbs]

comedian dl hughley was on jay leno thurs ...im sure it was a repeat, but he destroyed the rutgers team worse than imus x10...i bet it wasnt even reported...i mean he really took the ball and ran with it...


i can bet hes not going to fucking apologize ,lol

btw im not an Imus supporter , just free speech...

[TJ347]

comedian dl hughley was on jay leno thurs ...im sure it was a repeat, but he destroyed the rutgers team worse than imus x10...i bet it wasnt even reported...i mean he really took the ball and ran with it...


i can bet hes not going to fucking apologize ,lol

btw im not an Imus supporter , just free speech...

Come on, man! You know it's "all good" so long as it's a black person talking about other black people. And TTB... (that's that bullshit)

[Quinn]

At least Sharpton has been smart enough to essentially keep his mouth closed on the whole O&A controversy.

-Quinn

[TJ347]

comedian dl hughley was on jay leno thurs ...im sure it was a repeat, but he destroyed the rutgers team worse than imus x10...i bet it wasnt even reported...i mean he really took the ball and ran with it...


i can bet hes not going to fucking apologize ,lol

btw im not an Imus supporter , just free speech...

Come on, man! You know it's "all good" so long as it's a black person talking about other black people. And TTB... (that's that bullshit)

Some of these cats here kill me with their post. :roll:

I'm just happy we can stay positive when talking about stuff like this. That said, you know I'm right Unisex. Everyday where I live, average Joes say worse stuff than Imus did, and I know that's not just true in my part of the world...

[TJ347]

comedian dl hughley was on jay leno thurs ...im sure it was a repeat, but he destroyed the rutgers team worse than imus x10...i bet it wasnt even reported...i mean he really took the ball and ran with it...


i can bet hes not going to fucking apologize ,lol

btw im not an Imus supporter , just free speech...

Come on, man! You know it's "all good" so long as it's a black person talking about other black people. And TTB... (that's that bullshit)

Some of these cats here kill me with their post. :roll:

I'm just happy we can stay positive when talking about stuff like this. That said, you know I'm right Unisex. Everyday where I live, average Joes say worse stuff than Imus did, and I know that's not just true in my part of the world...

You've missed my point. That's why it's not even worth the debate. I wasn't just talking about your post. I'm talking about a lot of frequent members in this forum who make similar comments and act as if it's "all good".

Indeed I did miss your point, and indeed that's a good point...

[chefmike]

Stop the Presses: Al Sharpton's a Hatemongering Hypocrite
John Ridley

File this one under the heading THINGS WE ALREADY KNOW, right next to "water is wet" and "sunshine is warm." Al Sharpton is a hypocrite. And a hatemongering one at that.

When we were last visited by - or rather forced to endure - Reverend Al, he was once again snatching up the scepter of media-anointed spokesman for All Things Black.

It was the heady days of the Affair Imus. The women of the Rutgers B-ball team had the kink of their hair and the level of their sexuality called into question by the I-Man. Al, as Al is wont to do, took it upon himself to act without invitation and speak for those who were perfectly capable of speaking for themselves (for those keeping score, that's hypocrisy number one).

Toward the tail end of that TV news cycle whipped storm, when it was pointed out to Al that a variation of Imus's rant could be heard with an exponent in heavy rotation within a certain variety of rap music, Al promised to go at the extreme ends of the music business with the same camera-whoring zeal with which he attacked Imus.

On the 12th it will have been a month since Imus was dropped by CBS.

Though I make a point of closely following the news, I was apparently otherwise occupied during the ten minutes Al was flogging his big Anti-misogyny in Music Campaign.

Or so I thought.

As it turns out, it was Al who was otherwise occupied. Rather than take on misogyny, the man who decried there was no place in the culture for hateful language...well, he went out and fresh-brewed some hate talk of his own.

During a debate held Monday at the New York Public Library with atheist author Christopher Hitchens, Al assessed Mormon Mitt Romney's presidential bid thusly: "As for the one Mormon running for office, those who really believe in God will defeat him anyways, so don't worry about that; that's a temporary situation."

"Those who really believe in God."

Lemme be real clear about something. There are no tears shed in the Ridley household over the loss of Don Imus from waves of either radio or TV. However, "nappy headed 'hos" sounds nearly genteel in the echo chamber of Al's religious fanaticism.

But his faith-based bashing is only part one in Al's (current) hypocrisy double header. Al said something hurtful and bigoted, and the way to man up to his mistake is merely to apologize.

But to man up to something, ya gotta be a man.

From Al there was no apology. Only spin.

See, Al - according to Al - wasn't really talking about Romney when he used the phrase "the one Mormon running for office." Al was actually contrasting himself with Christopher Hitchens.

Interesting.

I spoke with Chris Hitchens when I was co-hosting the MSNBC morning news today (in Imus's old slot, I sweetly say). Though Hitchens could be confused for many things, as a devout atheist a Mormon ain't one of them.

Having dangled an excuse so ludicrous in an attempt to give himself cover, it was clearly time for a mea culpa from the Rev.

From Al there was no apology. Only more spin.

Version 2.0 of "what I meant to say" straight from Al: "What I said was that we would defeat him (Romney), meaning as a Republican."

Hmm. 'Cause, you didn't say Republican. You said Mormon. Mormon's what you said, and Mormon and Republican aren't trippingly close linguistically.

So, Al, you know; having tried twice to excuse the inexcusable, there is always, finally, a good old fashioned "my bad" to be given. Say, "I'm sorry," and be done with it.

For the record, what I won't be doing right now: holding my breath. My lung capacity could in no way preserve enough air to wait for an apology that must take its place in line behind the apology due from the Tawana Brawley affair. And from the "I regret" having said "If the Jews want to get it on, tell them to pin their yarmulkes back and come over to my house." And even that's back of the line from offering sorrow for referring to Jews as "diamond merchants."

More seriously, there are seven dead who still wait for an apology over Freddie's Fashion Mart and "white interlopers."

But you know what, Al? Forget it. Don't bother with any justifications. After the umpteenth cocktail of hate and hypocrisy you've served up, I would say to you exactly as you said to Don Imus: "What is any possible reason you could feel that this kind of statement could be just forgiven and overlooked?"

[hwbs]

he said more but this is all i could find


http://youtube.com/watch?v=tIqD1GCvedw

[peggygee]

CBS Cans Shock Jocks Over Asian Slurs

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/news.jpg

NEW YORK — One month after CBS Radio fired radio host Don Imus, it has permanently pulled the plug on a pair of suspended New York shock jocks for a prank phone call rife with offensive Asian stereotypes.

"The Dog House with JV and Elvis," hosted by Jeff Vandergrift and Dan Lay, "will no longer be broadcast," CBS Radio spokeswoman Karen Mateo said Saturday.

The cancellation of the show on WFNY-FM, nearly three weeks after the hosts were suspended, was another indication of the increased scrutiny on radio hosts and the heightened management sensitivity to complaints in the wake of the Imus firing.

CBS Radio dismissed Imus in April for his racist and sexist remarks about the Rutgers women's basketball team.

Vandergrift and Lay broadcast a call to a Chinese restaurant in which the caller, in an exaggerated accent, placed an order for "shrimp flied lice," claimed he was a student of kung fu, and compared menu items to employees' body parts.

The initial airing of the call went unnoticed, but a rebroadcast after Imus's firing prompted an outcry from Asian-American groups. Vandergrift and Lay were initially suspended without pay, but Asian-Americans quickly demanded the same penalty applied to the much higher-profile Imus

[chefmike]

Censorship (and political correctness) marches on...this is no different than the persecution of legendary and groundbreaking comic Lenny Bruce.

[peggygee]

Censorship (and political correctness) marches on...this is no different than the persecution of legendary and groundbreaking comic Lenny Bruce.

It's very difficult to balance the scales between our First Amendment
right to free speech, and political correctness.

In the case of Lenny Bruce I feel the scales were unfairly tipped against
Lenny Bruce.

What I liked about him is that he talked shit about everyone equally. He
was truly a comedic genius ahead of his time.

[ezed]

Political correctness fueled by the media's inbreed need to find something, anything to report on to top the competition are turning this nation into a bunch of panty-wastes and negative Nancy's.

We're turning into a bunch of helmet wearing sissy boys playing non-contact tag while being closely monitored by our politically correct soccer moms who engorge themselves on donuts with diet cokes and look forward to their favorite reality TV program.

This country is turning into an a large undouched cunt, shaded by a huge bunt, in the middle of a period.

Look at the candidates we have running for office not only in this election but also in elections going back decades. Who do you respect? Where are the leaders of character? They’re not running. They and their families would be run over with sound bites and thirty second innuendoes thirty days after they come out of the gate. What has changed? The media has grown. And as media outlets grow in number, there evolves intense competition to top each other. We have a giant magnifying glass on society, which has inadvertently grown a fungus call political correctness, which is slowly killing free speech.

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

[peggygee]

Political correctness fueled by the media's inbreed need to find something, anything to report on to top the competition are turning this nation into a bunch of panty-wastes and negative Nancy's.

We're turning into a bunch of helmet wearing sissy boys playing non-contact tag while being closely monitored by our politically correct soccer moms who engorge themselves on donuts with diet cokes and look forward to their favorite reality TV program.

This country is turning into an a large undouched cunt, shaded by a huge bunt, in the middle of a period.

Look at the candidates we have running for office not only in this election but also in elections going back decades. Who do you respect? Where are the leaders of character? They’re not running. They and their families would be run over with sound bites and thirty second innuendoes thirty days after they come out of the gate. What has changed? The media has grown. And as media outlets grow in number, there evolves intense competition to top each other. We have a giant magnifying glass on society, which has inadvertently grown a fungus call political correctness, which is slowly killing free speech.



Very compelling op-ed statement, nicely articulated.

I must admit that I am somewhat conflicted.

Political correctness clearly can benefit groups that I am a member of;
a person of color, a woman, and as a transwoman.

Having said that, I am a proponent of free speech. Take away the right
of free speech and and the right to assemble peacebly of a group or
person that I disagree with, and perhaps soon my rights to the same
may diminish.

Thus I am extremely concerned about the erosion of free speech, as I
have a vested interest.

Yet, I can not allow hateful, or malicious words and sentiments to be
heaped upon any group whether I am a member of it or not, or if I
or my interest group are directly impacted by said statements.

As to the the heinous words Of Don Imus, I feel that his punishment
was befitting of his actions.

But Imus isn't the only maleofactor when it comes to this type of activity.

Equally culpable is the hip hop / rock industry with it's misogynistic,
homophobic, and transphobic rhetoric and actions. They should be
pursued with the same vehemance as Imus.

But in our quest to be the kinder, gentler, and more equitable nation that
we can and should be, we must strive to not erode the First Amendment,
and the cornerstones for which it stands.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/pc_police_image.jpg

"Let's be careful out there in the admistration of our duty".

[tubgirl]

Some of these cats here kill me with their post. :roll:

here's a post that will kill you :roll:

when sharpton went after imus, he was going after the artist (who happened to be white). sharpton was challenged by glenn beck to go after rap music. sharpton said he would. who did sharpton go after? the black artists? nope. he went after the white producers. why is that?

oh wait, there's that double standard again...

[TJ347]

I'd just love it if white America would stop referring to Al Sharpton as a "black leader", as if black people elected him or something. If that had ever happened, believe me, his ass would have been impeached a long, long, long time ago. This "black leader" title was given to this idiot by the media, which has little to no knowledge of whom black people consider leaders, because few people of importance in the media know any real black people, and are too afraid to be around black people to ask them about anything. Just my opinion...

[Legend]

Some of these cats here kill me with their post. :roll:

here's a post that will kill you :roll:

when sharpton went after imus, he was going after the artist (who happened to be white). sharpton was challenged by glenn beck to go after rap music. sharpton said he would. who did sharpton go after? the black artists? nope. he went after the white producers. why is that?

oh wait, there's that double standard again...

You seem very bitter. It's probably best that you seek some kind of counseling.


LOL counseling would tremendously benefit that guy.

[chefmike]

I'd just love it if white America would stop referring to Al Sharpton as a "black leader", as if black people elected him or something. If that had ever happened, believe me, his ass would have been impeached a long, long, long time ago. This "black leader" title was given to this idiot by the media, which has little to no knowledge of whom black people consider leaders, because few people of importance in the media know any real black people, and are too afraid to be around black people to ask them about anything. Just my opinion...

Al Sharpton took it upon himself to be a black leader, as did Jessie "hymietown" Jackson...perhaps sensible black Americans should take it upon themselves to let these two clowns know that they don't speak for them...

[tubgirl]

I'd just love it if white America would stop referring to Al Sharpton as a "black leader", as if black people elected him or something. If that had ever happened, believe me, his ass would have been impeached a long, long, long time ago. This "black leader" title was given to this idiot by the media, which has little to no knowledge of whom black people consider leaders, because few people of importance in the media know any real black people, and are too afraid to be around black people to ask them about anything. Just my opinion...

must be all the black people around him when he marches that are throwing me off, then. my bad... :roll:

[tubgirl]

Some of these cats here kill me with their post. :roll:

here's a post that will kill you :roll:

when sharpton went after imus, he was going after the artist (who happened to be white). sharpton was challenged by glenn beck to go after rap music. sharpton said he would. who did sharpton go after? the black artists? nope. he went after the white producers. why is that?

oh wait, there's that double standard again...

You seem very bitter. It's probably best that you seek some kind of counseling.

no bitterness here. just stating a fact. one that you will brush off yet again...

[tubgirl]

LOL counseling would tremendously benefit that guy.

wait, aren't you the one who threw a fit when i pointed out errors in your posts? yeah, thought so. hi kettle, i'm pot...

[TJ347]

I'd just love it if white America would stop referring to Al Sharpton as a "black leader", as if black people elected him or something. If that had ever happened, believe me, his ass would have been impeached a long, long, long time ago. This "black leader" title was given to this idiot by the media, which has little to no knowledge of whom black people consider leaders, because few people of importance in the media know any real black people, and are too afraid to be around black people to ask them about anything. Just my opinion...

must be all the black people around him when he marches that are throwing me off, then. my bad... :roll:

So under your logic, I would be right to consider the speaker at a Ku Klux Klan rally, who is surrounded by like-minded white people, the voice of all white people, right? I don't know whether or not you need counseling, but you sure need to get a clue... :footinmouth

[Legend]

LOL counseling would tremendously benefit that guy.

wait, aren't you the one who threw a fit when i pointed out errors in your posts? yeah, thought so. hi kettle, i'm pot...

WTF are you talking about crazy please crawl back under the rock you came from,now please take your pathetic double stardards conspiracy theory somewhere else,i'm sure if people threw personal insults at middle aged guys who named themselves after t-girls who them use that in a pathetic attempt to try and talk to real t-girls(ask arianna)you wouldn't be so forgiving.

[TJ347]

Al Sharpton took it upon himself to be a black leader, as did Jessie "hymietown" Jackson...perhaps sensible black Americans should take it upon themselves to let these two clowns know that they don't speak for them...

A black reporter (whose name I don't recall unfortunately) appeared on the "Opie and Anthony" radio show (the "regular" radio show, not the Sirius broadcast) in the aftermath of the Imus incident, and stated clearly, emphatically and repeatedly that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were not black leaders in his opinion, also explaining succinctly why he felt that way. Comedian Patrice O'Neal, also black, also said similar things on the same program, and I later saw the reporter appear on an Oprah episode covering the Imus fallout (Sharpton appeared via satellite). This is really nothing new... Sharpton and Jackson already know they don't speak for most black people, but so long as the media keeps putting them in front of a camera and handing them a microphone, and white Americans continue to recognize them as black leaders (even as they simultaneously join many black people in being increasingly repulsed by their very appearance on a television screen), they'll keep doing what they do. So really, this isn't at all about what black Americans need to tell Sharpton or Jackson, it's about what black Americans need white Americans to come to understand. Black people did not collectively meet and elect Al SHarpton or Jese Jackson as our leaders, and there have been in recent times, just as their have been in the past, black Americans who have said so very loud and clear. It's just no one seems no one has ever bothered to try and hear them.

[peggygee]

[when sharpton went after imus, he was going after the artist (who happened to be white). sharpton was challenged by glenn beck to go after rap music. sharpton said he would. who did sharpton go after? the black artists? nope. he went after the white producers. why is that?

oh wait, there's that double standard again...

The messages of misogyny, homo / transphobia, promotion of
violence, etc has long been on the radar of Black consciousness.
This is not a new issue and has been addressed by many, perhaps
most prominently Doleres Tucker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._Delores_Tucker





....which has little to no knowledge of whom black people consider leaders, because few people of importance in the media know any real black people, and are too afraid to be around black people to ask them about anything. Just my opinion...



I concur with the latter part of your statement. White America has little
to no true understanding or knowledge of non White Americans.

To paraphrase the words of public Enemy "stop believing the hype".

[peggygee]

To paraphrase the words of public Enemy "stop believing the hype".


I believe the lyric was: Don't believe the hype. :)

That's why it's paraphrased, boo. :wink:

[chefmike]

Word to the PC police and the censorship shills!! 8)

Porn Company Backs Don Imus With Release Of DVD Titled 'Nappy Headed Ho's'
Published: Friday - May 11, 2007
Words by Ronnie Gamble

In the wake of the now infamous Don Imus comments made toward the Rutgers University women's basketball team, a porn company is trying to benefit from the racist term with the release adult film called "Nappy Headed Ho's."

Poking fun at the incident, Kick Ass Pictures say they are releasing the DVD, which features women of color, to back the idea that although Imus' comments were racist, they should be protected by the First Amendment.

"We see this as a free speech issue," Kick Ass President Mark Kulkis said. "As an adult media company, we're especially defensive of free speech. Don Imus is a loudmouth and perhaps a bigot. However, CBS Radio was hypocritical in hiring Imus to be blunt and outspoken, then firing him for the same reason. Fellow broadcast personalities Ann Coulter and Pat Robertson spew anti-gay slurs, yet they are not fired by their networks."

Kick Ass Pictures goes as far as to say that $1 from each sale of their "Nappy Headed Ho's" adult film will go into a retire fund for Imus. "If Imus doesn't prevail, then there's a good chance he'll need some help with his retirement fund," said Kulkis. "If he doesn't choose to accept the money we collect, then we'll donate it to the United Negro College Fund."

The DVD is slated for release July 17.

It is unclear as to whether Kick Ass Pictures is sincere with their stance on free speech, backing up Imus, or if it is all a marketing ploy for DVD sales.

According to successful female African American adult film producer Kim Hicks Gibson, the company is doing nothing but exploiting a terrible situation. "Kick Ass Pictures finds it 'entertaining' to release a XXX DVD entitled 'Nappy Head Hos,'" Gibson said in a statement released to BallerStatus.com. "It's important for the African American community to know that -- although we as adult film producers make it a point to go as close to the edge of the cliff of full exploitation without falling off -- this DVD, 'Nappy Head Hos,' has truly fell deep into the pit of true exploitation.

"I am appalled and surprised that Mark Kulkis would step this low to make money," she continued.

To combat the DVD's release, Gibson has started an online petition, calling it racist, and urging the African American community to sign it.

[TJ347]

I'd just love it if white America would stop referring to Al Sharpton as a "black leader", as if black people elected him or something. If that had ever happened, believe me, his ass would have been impeached a long, long, long time ago. This "black leader" title was given to this idiot by the media, which has little to no knowledge of whom black people consider leaders, because few people of importance in the media know any real black people, and are too afraid to be around black people to ask them about anything. Just my opinion...

must be all the black people around him when he marches that are throwing me off, then. my bad... :roll:

So under your logic, I would be right to consider the speaker at a Ku Klux Klan rally, who is surrounded by like-minded white people, the voice of all white people, right? I don't know whether or not you need counseling, but you sure need to get a clue... :footinmouth

That's why I said earlier, some cats in this forum kill me with their post.


Yeah, I see... and you definitely had a point.

[tubgirl]

LOL counseling would tremendously benefit that guy.

wait, aren't you the one who threw a fit when i pointed out errors in your posts? yeah, thought so. hi kettle, i'm pot...

WTF are you talking about crazy please crawl back under the rock you came from,now please take your pathetic double stardards conspiracy theory somewhere else,i'm sure if people threw personal insults at middle aged guys who named themselves after t-girls who them use that in a pathetic attempt to try and talk to real t-girls(ask arianna)you wouldn't be so forgiving.

will you please find the time to draft a proper sentence when answering posts? and why all the hatred towards me?

[tubgirl]

That's why I said earlier, some cats in this forum kill me with their post.



and some "cats" kill me with their vague references and bitter attitudes when someone posts a view different than theirs...

"bro" :roll: :roll:

[TJ347]

why all the hatred towards me?

First, it's not hatred, it's annoyance.
Second, it's because of the nonsense that comes out of your mouth (see my previous post in this thread).
Third, please stop. This thread had died, and rightly so.

[The Truth]

LOL counseling would tremendously benefit that guy.

wait, aren't you the one who threw a fit when i pointed out errors in your posts? yeah, thought so. hi kettle, i'm pot...

WTF are you talking about crazy please crawl back under the rock you came from,now please take your pathetic double stardards conspiracy theory somewhere else,i'm sure if people threw personal insults at middle aged guys who named themselves after t-girls who them use that in a pathetic attempt to try and talk to real t-girls(ask arianna)you wouldn't be so forgiving.

will you please find the time to draft a proper sentence when answering posts? and why all the hatred towards me?It's not hatred towards you, personally. It's hatred towards your views. That's all.

[Legend]

LOL counseling would tremendously benefit that guy.

wait, aren't you the one who threw a fit when i pointed out errors in your posts? yeah, thought so. hi kettle, i'm pot...

WTF are you talking about crazy please crawl back under the rock you came from,now please take your pathetic double stardards conspiracy theory somewhere else,i'm sure if people threw personal insults at middle aged guys who named themselves after t-girls who them use that in a pathetic attempt to try and talk to real t-girls(ask arianna)you wouldn't be so forgiving.

will you please find the time to draft a proper sentence when answering posts? and why all the hatred towards me?

Because you are a annoying rodent who spews nothing but bullshit,usually people who use the lame double stardard excuse are the ones who have some kind of racist views they try to mask,as a gay male you should be more understanding about issues like this are or you one of those closet bigots like ted haggart.

[chefmike]

So free speech is bad....but censorship is good....right? :roll:

[tubgirl]

Because you are a annoying rodent who spews nothing but bullshit,usually people who use the lame double stardard excuse are the ones who have some kind of racist views they try to mask,as a gay male you should be more understanding about issues like this are or you one of those closet bigots like ted haggart.

have you seen any of your posts recently?

you really like to throw around the "racist" word, don't you? do you have any proof to back that up?

[tubgirl]

So free speech is bad....but censorship is good....right? :roll:

QFT...

[chefmike]

Double standards, Legend? I'm glad you brought that matter up...

Either Al Sharpton should be fired, or Don Imus should be re-hired
Mary Mostert

An excerpt:

Al Sharpton: "As for the one Mormon running for office, those who really believe in God will defeat him anyways, so don't worry about that; that's a temporary situation."

Now that Mitt Romney and many others have pointed out that Sharpton's comment was not only wrong but also clearly bigoted, he is belatedly trying to claim that he really was not talking about the "one Mormon running for office" but about Hitchens, the atheist, whom he didn't mention. Not even the Washington Post will swallow that lie. It is calling Sharpton a hypocrite coming, as it did, on the heels of Sharpton's attacks on Don Imus .

And, Don Imus apologized for a statement he didn't even make, whereas Sharpton has never apologized for what he said about Mitt Romney's and my religion. Imus apologized, even though what he really said was:

"IMUS:That's some rough girls from Rutgers. Man, they got tattoos and..."

Then his Executive Producer Bernard McGuirk said:

"Some hard-core hos."

IMUS: That's some nappy-headed hos there. I'm gonna tell you that now, man, that's some — woo. And the girls from Tennessee, they all look cute, you know, so, like — kinda like — I don't know."

Imus said later, and I would have to agree with him, that he "didn't think it was a racial insult. I thought it was in the process of us rapping and trying to be funny."

Sharpton took a hard line and demanded that Imus be fired because he made "racially hurtful comments on a mainstream show that routinely hosted political candidates and top-tier journalists."

The Rutgers Girls Baskeball team has a black coach and 80% of its players are also black. They are very tall girls, the shortest being 5'8" and the tallest being 6'1," which probably would not prompt any man to call them "cute."

From Al Sharpton's accusation that this was a "racist" remark, one would have to assume that the entire Rutgers team is black girls with short, nappy hair usually found among African black women, not American black women 98% of whom have some Caucasian ancestry, as well as African ancestry. However, twenty percent of the team are white girls and only one of the eight black girls has hair that could be called "nappy" — which is an adjective that means the texture of the hair is "short, soft and downy" It was an inaccurate statement on Imus' part, but it was not an insult or "racist."

Now, McGuirk calling the girls "hard-core hos" a rapper term that means hard-core whores was neither truthful nor kind and Don Imus apologized for the episode, something that Sharpton has NOT done for his insult to a minority group called "Mormons" about their belief in God. Also, after meeting with Don Imus who apologized to them, none of the team supported Al Sharpton's demand that he be fired.

It is of interest to note, considering the latest Mormon bashing by Al Sharpton, that one of those Rutgers players, Katie Adams, is a white Mormon girl from Ogden, Utah who was valedictorian of her high school graduating class, has a 4.0 average in her study of psychology at Rutgers and was recently awarded the most Courageous/Inspirational Player of the Rutgers Girls' Basketball team. She doesn't seem to have any tattoos and she definitely does not have short hair.

Even the Washington Post has identified Al Sharpton as a hypocritical bigot for his attack on Mitt Romney's religion.

Al Sharpton's bigoted and totally inaccurate accusation that we Mormons, including presidential candidate Mitt Romney and Rutgers Girls Basketball junior guard Katie Adams, do not believe in God is far more offensive than Don Imus describing someone's hair as "short, soft and downy" or even using a a rapper phrase that is heard a million times a day from black recording artists.

I say, either Don Imus gets his job back, or Al Sharpton gets fired.

[peggygee]

Word to the PC police and the censorship shills!! 8)

Porn Company Backs Don Imus With Release Of DVD Titled 'Nappy Headed Ho's'
Published: Friday - May 11, 2007
Words by Ronnie Gamble



It's their right, but it's 'so wrong'. :smh

[chefmike]

Al Sharpton on the Return of Imus

Don Imus is back—and Rev. Al Sharpton is surprisingly okay with that.

Imus buddy Bo Dietl dropped heavy hints on a radio show over the weekend that the aging shock jock will be back at WFAN no later than September. That would mean a mere five months of wandering in the wilderness for the I-Man, who was fired in April by CBS Radio and MSNBC after calling female college basketball players "nappy-headed hos."

Sharpton, of course, played no small part in Imus's downfall, even inviting the man onto his radio show to apologize to viewers only to declare his apology inadequate. Yet the Rev. tells Radar he would not oppose Imus's return this fall.

"My position is that we never called for him to be permanently barred from being on the air," he says. "We'll see when he comes back, and if he comes back, what are the boundaries and what is the understanding. We'll be monitoring the situation, but we wanted him to pay for being a repeat abuser, and he paid. We never said we didn't want him to make a living."

As for the claim that Imus is seeking a black comedian to "take the sting out" of his racial humor, Sharpton says, "A sidekick is not cover. What he needs to give him cover is his own conscience and whether he'll live up to the apology he gave those Rutgers girls."

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2007/07/al-sharpton-on-the-return-of-imus.php

[Rod la Rod]

I hope they put him back on msnbc in the am. I can't take anymore of Joe Scarborough.
I love Imus and i believe he is not racist.

Imus in the morning was one of the few sources for actual news. It was also hilarious.