The Secret War Against Iran

[North_of_60]

Supporting terrorists in the war on terror ?
I guess that makes the US a state sponsor of terrorism.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/04/abc_news_exclus.html

That reminds me of Afghanistan in the 80's when the US supported a young mujahideen named Ossama Bin Laden.

[White_Male_Canada]

Supporting terrorists in the war on terror ?
I guess that makes the US a state sponsor of terrorism.

Moral equivalency doctrine. Radical islam that fights for tyranny is identical to those who fight for individual liberty and freedom. By your reasoning the Americans who fought the Revolution were terrorists.


That reminds me of Afghanistan in the 80's when the US supported a young mujahideen named Ossama Bin Laden.

The US supported OBL? So they supported this guy with financing, logistics, etc? Like to see the links for proof.

Besides that, already posted :

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=17845

[North_of_60]

I'm sorry. I didn't saw you posted that topic before.

Anyway, you need to read Robert Fisk's The Great War for Civilization. The Conquest of the Middle East

Much informative about the US involvement with Bin Laden.

[White_Male_Canada]

I'm sorry. I didn't saw you posted that topic before.

Anyway, you need to read Robert Fisk's The Great War for Civilization. The Conquest of the Middle East

Much informative about the US involvement with Bin Laden.

Seems to me like you have it and read it. Why not fill us in on all the details as to how the CIA supplied OBL with logistics,weapons,cash,etc, in Afghanistan?

[North_of_60]

Ronald Reagan saw Afghanistan as a potential Vietnam for the Soviets.
Thousands of Muslim radicals joined the CIA and mujahedeen, including Bin Laden, the wealthy son of a Saudi road builder.

"We funded him, we and the Saudis", said Glynn Wood, professor of international policy at the Monterey Institute of International Studies.

Pakistani investigative journalist Ahmed Rashid reported recently that the CIA funded an underground arms depot, training facility and medical center that Bin Laden helped build in 1986 near the Pakistan border. There Bin Laden set up his first training camp.

Hey, browse the web !

I'm sorry, but this could go on forever. You definitely need to read this book. Precious.

[White_Male_Canada]

Ronald Reagan saw Afghanistan as a potential Vietnam for the Soviets.
Thousands of Muslim radicals joined the CIA and mujahedeen, including Bin Laden, the wealthy son of a Saudi road builder.

"We funded him, we and the Saudis", said Glynn Wood, professor of international policy at the Monterey Institute of International Studies.

Pakistani investigative journalist Ahmed Rashid reported recently that the CIA funded an underground arms depot, training facility and medical center that Bin Laden helped build in 1986 near the Pakistan border. There Bin Laden set up his first training camp.

Hey, browse the web !

I'm sorry, but this could go on forever. You definitely need to read this book. Precious.

Actually , it stops here. You can read but do not recognize misinformation when you see it.

Former CIA official Milt Bearden, who ran the Agency's Afghan operation in the late 1980s, said, "The CIA did not recruit Arabs," as there was no need to do so. There were hundreds of thousands of Afghans all too willing to fight, and the Arabs who did come for jihad were "very disruptive . . . the Afghans thought they were a pain in the ass."


... There was simply no point in the CIA and the Afghan Arabs being in contact with each other. ... the Afghan Arabs functioned independently and had their own sources of funding. The CIA did not need the Afghan Arabs, and the Afghan Arabs did not need the CIA. So the notion that the Agency funded and trained the Afghan Arabs is, at best, misleading. The 'let's blame everything bad that happens on the CIA' school of thought vastly overestimates the Agency's powers, both for good and ill." [Holy War, Inc.: Inside the Secret World of Osama bin Laden (New York: The Free Press, 2001), pp. 64-66.]

Brigadier Mohammad Yousaf was in charge of the Afghan Bureau of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), which ran Pakistan's covert program to aid the Afghan mujahidin. In his book The Bear Trap: Afghanistan's Untold Story:

"For every dollar supplied by the US, another was added by the Saudi Arabian government. The combined funds, running into several hundred million dollars a year, were transferred by the CIA to special accounts in Pakistan under the control of the ISI."

Marc Sageman worked closely with the Afghan mujahideen , Understanding Terror Networks, he wrote:

"No U.S. official ever came in contact with the foreign volunteers. They simply traveled in different circles and never crossed U.S. radar screens. They had their own sources of money and their own contacts with the Pakistanis, official Saudis, and other Muslim supporters, and they made their own deals with the various Afghan resistance leaders. Their presence in Afghanistan was very small and they did not participate in any significant fighting." ( pp. 57-58.)

The Central Intelligence Agency issued a statement categorically denying that it ever had any relationship with OBL:

"No. Numerous comments in the media recently have reiterated a widely circulated but incorrect notion that the CIA once had a relationship with Usama Bin Laden. For the record, you should know that the CIA never employed, paid, or maintained any relationship whatsoever with Bin Laden (emphasis in original)."


In summary:

• U.S. covert aid went to the Afghans, not to the "Afghan Arabs."

• The "Afghan Arabs" were funded by Arab sources, not by the United States.

• United States never had "any relationship whatsoever" with Osama bin Laden.

• The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Arab backing for the "Afghan Arabs," and bin Laden's own decisions "created" Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda, not the United States.

http://usinfo.state.gov/

[North_of_60]

usinfo.state.gov/
The Central Intelligence Agency has issued a statement categorically denying that it ever had any relationship with OBL

Ha ! Ha ! Ha ! Ha ! Ha !... period.

You are a funny man, WMC !

Please, do yourself a favor. Read the book.

[White_Male_Canada]

usinfo.state.gov/
The Central Intelligence Agency has issued a statement categorically denying that it ever had any relationship with OBL

Ha ! Ha ! Ha ! Ha ! Ha !... period.

You are a funny man, WMC !

Please, do yourself a favor. Read the book.

It`ll be hilarious when you debunk the guys who were there,

Marc Sageman,

Brigadier Mohammad Yousaf,

Milt Bearden,

and Abdullah Anas, Algerian who was one of the foremost Afghan Arab organizers and the son-in-law of Abdullah Azzam, has also confirmed that the CIA had no relationship with the Afghan Arabs. Speaking on the French television program Zone Interdit on September 12, 2004, Anas stated:

"If you say there was a relationship in the sense that the CIA used to meet with Arabs, discuss with them, prepare plans with them, and to fight with them -- it never happened."

[North_of_60]

The Islamic "jihad" in Afghanistan was supported by the United States and Saudi Arabia with a significant part of the funding generated from the Golden Crescent drug trade.

Between 1980 and 1989, CIA poured in some $6 billion (other estimates go as high as $20 billion) in arms, ammunition, recruiting, establishing an extensive madrassa network, training, feeding and arming of recruits.

Ronald Reagan took over the White House on 20 January 1981. The game-plan then revolved around the production of a hundred thousand religious fanatics to fight the 'godless Russians'. In 1979 an estimate on the total number of madrassas stood at around 1,000. Most of these madrassas concentrated on the formal instruction of Islamic theology. Between 1983 and 1988, CIA aid had helped establish an additional 1,891 madrassas. The new ones doubled as guerrilla training camps producing an average of at least fifty battle-ready alumni a year. That's roughly a hundred thousand Mujahideen a year. Osama bin Laden on his own is estimated to have recruited, financed and trained an additional 35,000 non-Afghans.

bla bla bla ...

Sageman concludes his essay Understanding the Terror Network by noting :"we have lost our credibility by supporting despotic Muslim regimes."

The pakistani ISI was supported by the US.

You're going nowhere.

[guyone]

Why don't you ask Oliver North about Bin Laden? During the Iran-Contra hearings he stated that Osama was the person he feared most in the world. Doesn't sound like they were too chummy.

[qeuqheeg222]

afghan-arabs?versus regular afghans supplied by the u.s?who are these peoples?

[North_of_60]

Why don't you ask Oliver North about Bin Laden? During the Iran-Contra hearings he stated that Osama was the person he feared most in the world. Doesn't sound like they were too chummy.

This is a rumor, Guyone. It comes from an email hoax circulating in november 2001, following 9/11.

In fact, the terrorist North mentioned in his testimony was not Osama Bin Laden, it was Abu Nidal.

At that time, Bin Laden was known to the western world, not as a terrorist, but as one of the US backed freedom fighter participating in the war against the Soviets.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/north.asp
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blnorth.htm
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/ollienorth-osama.htm

[guyone]

My Mistake.

[qeuqheeg222]

our secret war with iran could really be traced back to our backin of the fuckin shah,or maybe helping saddam in his 8yr war against iran(when oliver north decided to help the said enemies here-talk about double standard politics)..our foreign policy over here has been a mess since the 60's...much of what we go thru now probably would have been avoided if carter had been elected pres. in 1980....

[guyone]

As I remember he wasn't doing too well in the presidency.

[pampal]

our secret war with iran could really be traced back to our backin of the fuckin shah,or maybe helping saddam in his 8yr war against iran(when oliver north decided to help the said enemies here-talk about double standard politics)..our foreign policy over here has been a mess since the 60's...much of what we go thru now probably would have been avoided if carter had been elected pres. in 1980....

You are right, but should also add the overthrowing by the US of Iran's only democratically elected leader, Mohammad Mossadeq in 1953.

[guyone]

Yes it's true! The US is at fault for all the worlds problems! If only the US didn't exist the world would be such a better place.