Fretful Nanny State Laws. Libtards run amok!

Looks like Libtards really don't want to control the bedroom. Just the lightbulbs, the cradle and the dog house! And the grocery store, too!

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Big mother is watching with new laws in mind
Democratic proposals to regulate behavior draw Republican scorn.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-nannybills8mar08,0,5897241.story?coll=la-home-headlines

SACRAMENTO -- Enjoy fast food? Like to light up while you watch the waves? Forget to sock away money for your kids' education?

Some California lawmakers want to change your ways. They've planted a crop of proposals this year — "nanny" bills, as they're called — that would:

• Restrict the use of artery-clogging trans fat, common in fried and baked foods and linked to heart disease, in restaurants and school cafeterias.

• Bar smoking at state parks and beaches, and in cars carrying children.

• Open a savings account, seeded with $500, for every newborn Californian to use at 18 for college, a first home purchase or an investment for retirement.

• Fine dog and cat owners who don't spay or neuter their pets by 4 months of age.

• Require chain restaurants to list calorie, saturated fat and sodium content on menus.

• Phase out the sale of incandescent light bulbs, which are less energy-efficient than compact fluorescent bulbs.

The debate has commenced in the Capitol: How far should government go?

The proposals are the brainchildren of Democratic legislators. Republicans, who say the sponsors are trying to parent the whole state, are having none of it.

"Could you imagine the founding fathers dealing with — I don't know — wearing a helmet when you're in the buggy?" said the Assembly's Republican leader, Mike Villines of Clovis.
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San Francisco May Ban Plastic Bags
http://ktla.trb.com/news/ktla-plasticbag,0,763110.story?coll=ktla-news-1

[White_Male_Canada]

scene : dark alley. two figures stand 3 feet apart. first figure is in a long trenchcoat, one hand inside of coat holding something. second figure is clean cut, average, hands in pockets griping cash.

trenchcoat : " Listen i`m tellin` ya, this stuff is primo man !"

clean cut guy: " are you sure ? Last time i bought some some guy told me it was 100% and it wasn`t dude"

trenchcoat: " Whoa dude, this stuff is from central america !
Pure 100% animal fat Dude! Your fench fries will
have never tasted so good !"

Sounds of police sirens the two figures scatter and run. 8)

[guyone]

...and they celebrate Colt Gay Porn Day!

[olite71]

scene : dark alley. two figures stand 3 feet apart. first figure is in a long trenchcoat, one hand inside of coat holding something. second figure is clean cut, average, hands in pockets griping cash.

trenchcoat : " Listen i`m tellin` ya, this stuff is primo man !"

clean cut guy: " are you sure ? Last time i bought some some guy told me it was 100% and it wasn`t dude"

trenchcoat: " Whoa dude, this stuff is from central america !
Pure 100% animal fat Dude! Your fench fries will
have never tasted so good !"

Sounds of police sirens the two figures scatter and run. 8)

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You need to get your facts straight before trying to make comedy. The dangerous trans fats being banned are not from animals but rather from hydrogenated plant fats........

Furthermore---peanut oil makes the best fries.

[LG]

I don't see anything wrong with legislation aimed at protecting people's health.

Is it wrong to ban smoking in cars when children are present TFan? Should not consumers have enough information to choose what food they will pay for and eat based on calorie content among other things? Some people have to keep an eye on their sodium consumption for medical reasons- should they not be given such information?

In any case, most if not all fast food chains in the US do not use animal fats for their French fries, and have switched to vegetable fats. In some cases, beef flavouring or animal-based powder is added for flavour but beef tallow which was once the fat of choice is no longer used. Just another fact that you were unaware of, White_Male_Canada, before trying to crack your silly jokes

The legislation you mention, TFan, could mean some major improvements in health. The EU has a bunch of laws like this and, even though nobody likes laws (or lawyers) much (apart from the lawyers themselves) these laws have helped the member states (especially the new member states) immensely. The laws are not here to restrict liberty but to promote health and welfare.

Anyway, you guys shouldn't talk about civil liberties. Remember the "war on drugs" (which America is losing) and the Patriot Act?

I don't see anything wrong with legislation aimed at protecting people's health.

Is it wrong to ban smoking in cars when children are present TFan?

Aha! The go-to move of the brown shirts. "It's the CHILDREN!"

Of course the supposition here is that the children actually exist and weren't vaccuumed out of the womb.

Do embryonic children have the right to protection against vacuums?


Should not consumers have enough information to choose what food they will pay for and eat based on calorie content among other things? Some people have to keep an eye on their sodium consumption for medical reasons- should they not be given such information?

It's up to the consumer and the shop. Personally, if I had to keep a careful diet, I'd be picky about where I ate. It's my responsibility to find these things out, no one elses.


In any case, most if not all fast food chains in the US do not use animal fats for their French fries, and have switched to vegetable fats. In some cases, beef flavouring or animal-based powder is added for flavour but beef tallow which was once the fat of choice is no longer used. Just another fact that you were unaware of, White_Male_Canada, before trying to crack your silly jokes

The legislation you mention, TFan, could mean some major improvements in health. The EU has a bunch of laws like this and, even though nobody likes laws (or lawyers) much (apart from the lawyers themselves) these laws have helped the member states (especially the new member states) immensely. The laws are not here to restrict liberty but to promote health and welfare.

Anyway, you guys shouldn't talk about civil liberties. Remember the "war on drugs" (which America is losing) and the Patriot Act?


America, as a whole, is a juggernaut. Just because some of our citizens decide to piss their lives away doesn't change that.

[olite71]

While i'm a firm believer in total liberty for the people, i realise that a lot of the people make poor decisions with that liberty.


I do not advocate any law governing a person's decision to be an idiot. But I do realise that if such a law were in place it is not out of the realm of possibility that it would improve the lives of others.


It is stupid to argue the point whether such "nanny" laws will make life better or worse. Because such laws strike at the very essence of liberty the debate should be about whether they should exist or not.

I believe they should not exist. While the health of a society is an important concern, freedom is more impotant. Nobody would want to live in a place where the government jails everybody and feeds them wheat germ and yogurt so that they can survive until 90 in imprisonment....

Consequently, nobody should be in favor of laws the disregard the right to choose in favor of a governmentally mandated menu of choices.

[quote="olite71"]While i'm a firm believer in total liberty for the people, i realise that a lot of the people make poor decisions with that liberty.[quote]


Can't have it both ways. You either support the laws of bigotry or the laws of totalitarianism. Though the brown shirts want to tell you you can have it both ways, you cant. Each person believes the way the brain and heart believe. Take away that and you should pray to the party above.

[LG]

TFan,

You haven't answered my questions wiseguy:

-Is it wrong to ban smoking in cars when children are present TFan? Don't you know that passive smoking can cause as much harm as actual smoking?
-Should not consumers have enough information to choose what food they will pay for and eat based on calorie content among other things? You say you stick to a careful diet. Wouldn't it help if restaurants could actually tell you what is in the food you eat?
-Some people have to keep an eye on their sodium consumption for medical reasons- should they not be given such information? What about people with high cholesterol?


-America, as a whole, is a juggernaut. Just because some of our citizens decide to piss their lives away doesn't change that.
So, Mr Libertarian, do you support the legalisation of all drugs? You should, if you are being honest about what you say- isn't up to the individual to choose whether he or she takes them or not? What about other things that some people might want to do? What about pollution and other things that can harm other people's health?

You see, it's not just about freedom, but also about protecting health. Yes, people can eat whatever they want, I agree. But, unless they know what they are eating, how can they choose?

Smokers can continue to smoke. I would never ban smoking. But where smoking can harm other people's health, especially the health of children, then you need to apply legislation for the public good. People who want to drink can drink. But they shouldn't drive, becuase they can kill both themselves and other people in an accident.

The specific pieces of legislation you mention relate to public health and consumer protection. I think they will do a world of good if applied properly.

As for your the embryonic children you argue about...I'm really not in the mood to argue, except to note that there are at least certain circumstances where a woman should be entitled to have power over her own body. It is not the state's to do as it wishes. And there are circumstances where bringing a life into this world may not be a good idea. The question is in what circumstances and at what stage of pregancy to draw the line, for me. Seeing things in black and white as you do is an oppressive expression of a type of chauvinism, in my opinion. But that is not an argument I want to get into now.

TFan,

You haven't answered my questions wiseguy:

-Is it wrong to ban smoking in cars when children are present TFan? Don't you know that passive smoking can cause as much harm as actual smoking?

Is it wrong for parents to smoke with kids in the car? Yes. Is the danger of GOVERNMENT INTRUSION into the lives and behavior of law-abiding private citizens a greater danger to our nation than said parents smoking with kids in the car? Yes.

Without liberty, safey does not matter. Without liberty, life is not living.

[LG]

TFan,

You haven't answered my questions wiseguy:

-Is it wrong to ban smoking in cars when children are present TFan? Don't you know that passive smoking can cause as much harm as actual smoking?

Is it wrong for parents to smoke with kids in the car? Yes. Is the danger of GOVERNMENT INTRUSION into the lives and behavior of law-abiding private citizens a greater danger to our nation than said parents smoking with kids in the car? Yes.

Without liberty, safey does not matter. Without liberty, life is not living.

So...what's your opinion on the Patriot Act?

What's that you said? Nothing? I thought so...


What's more, I don't see how preventing people from smoking in cars when children are present is a major intrusion, nor do I think that providing nurtitional information and a handful of healthful choices at a restaurant is an invasion of the restauranteur's intrinsic rights.

So...what's your opinion on the Patriot Act?


The patriot act is great! I love the patriot act!

Uhhh.... is there a point to your question?

[olite71]

So...what's your opinion on the Patriot Act?


The patriot act is great! I love the patriot act!

Uhhh.... is there a point to your question?




"The patriot act is great."

Democrats and conservatives, liberals AND republicans agree that the Patriot act is riddled with flaws, as is any act of congress which is rushed through with few if any compromises and little or no debate. And in hindsight whole areas of the patriot act have put law enforcement officials in gray areas where the constitutionality of their acts could be called in question---that's never a good situation for law enforcement (in a society based on the rule of law that is--in totalitarian societies it is part for the course).

But your distillation of the situation is: "The Patriot Act is Great," revealing a shallow thought process and/or a lazy intellectual approach to a difficult question.

But I guess that's par for the course judging by your typical slapdash contributions on this forum.

[guyone]

Name one political prisoner in the US. Name one person who was jailed for his ideas.

[XPBMX]

Well he has some truth.

Here are some things liberal minded folk here need to get under their bbrow.

In the UK in opublic schools, the nanny-state has decided that teaching about the holocaust is forbidden because it OFFENDS the muslimmpopulation. Speaking about the liberation of Jerusalem from Sal'A'Din is alos forbidden. Why is that important? Well 60% of the muslimmpopulation WANTS a relgious theocracy in the UK. What does that means here? Like the Eu follows us so we too follow the EU, the liberal kabal in this nation is so intent on believing Islam is a peaceful religion when nothung could be further from the truth. Mosat of my family comes from Kyrgyzstan, an Islamic Republic. Believe me Islam is not peaceful or liberating in any way at all.

Under Sha'ria law, homosexuals are out to deatth, without trial or mercy.

I'll say that one more time. Homosexuals are executed immediatly. Under Sha'Ria law. Sha'Ria law is the most widely practiced and accepted form of governmentla ISlam world-wide.

WOMEN under this law are property. If they disobey you, then beatings and death are completely legal.

So keep marching to the beat of the leftist drum and soon we too will not only have a nanny-state, but one that has Islam as it's head. Then you, me and everyonme else that is a free-thinker and has alternative lifestyles will be hunted down.

But Islam is 'peaceful'.......

[XPBMX]

Name one political prisoner in the US. Name one person who was jailed for his ideas.No one has been.

Anyone that says so is a complete liar and one that has never been outside this nation at all.

And are probablly one of the 'hate america' crowd.

[guyone]

Welcome enlightened soul.

[XPBMX]

Enlightened? Not really, I'm just able to think for myself. Most liberals and for that matter far right 'thinkers' rely too much on mantras and robotic dogma instead of thought itself. This is why our nation is in the position it is right now. No moderates like myself are left. Only extremes exist. Infact the demise of our nation will be a direct result of extremist leftist views or (however highly unlikely) extremist right. The leftist have taken over all forms of public and higher education, this was a qeue taken from the UK model back in the 50's and 60's. Our nation is now embroiled in a struggle between lestist who wish to indoctrinate our youth, (which if you have been to ANY college campus, you can see it is higly effective.)and those who are not willing to be TOLD what to think by mother gov't . Liberals really want to remove all freedom of thought that is counter-culture to the leftist agenda. Infact extremist leftarded philosphies are called 'MAINSTREAM' to villify anyone and mis-characterize anyone who dares think for themselves and not simply swallow the leftist tripe spewed out of the mouths of leftist activist masquerading themselves as teachers or professors.I as a child HAD to visit the soviet union to see family members. I saw the same type of indcotrination and brain-washing techniques used there by the educational apparatus as I now see in our nation.

We are doomed if these extremists are simply allowed to dictate the belief of our youth instead if simply teaching them a subject objectively.The funny thing is leftists are their own worst enemy. All they do is mouth mantras and allow for the emergence of even more extrmeist and violent philopshies to inundate society..say Islam for example. And in the end the installment of their fuzzy little feel-good progressive bullshit would result in their demise at the hands of the very people they think are 'progressive'.

[XPBMX]

Democrats and conservatives, liberals AND republicans agree that the Patriot act is riddled with flaws, as is any act of congress which is rushed through with few if any compromises and little or no debate. And in hindsight whole areas of the patriot act have put law enforcement officials in gray areas where the constitutionality of their acts could be called in question---that's never a good situation for law enforcement (in a society based on the rule of law that is--in totalitarian societies it is part for the course).


Excuse me but have you ever READ any part of the PA? Even an objective summary?

It is completely constitutional for one and secondly the objections you are talking about are called speculations. What I mean by this is the Dems who are merly against this for political reasons, SPECULATE that the propensity for the PA to be used illegally exists. HOWEVER what CNN and the media refuse to tell you as well as dems and rep's is that ANY law or ACT can be misused, therefore all acts laws and otherwise are as un-constitutional as the PA.

so check mate.

And one more thing, if you think we live in a tyranny right now just wait until the total islamafication of our nation does occur under the leftist or 'progressive' kabal. You, me and most people here would be hunted down and extermintated.

THAT is a tyranny.

[svenson]

Enlightened? Not really, I'm just able to think for myself. Most liberals and for that matter far right 'thinkers' rely too much on mantras and robotic dogma instead of thought itself. This is why our nation is in the position it is right now. No moderates like myself are left.

Glad your here. being in independent here is hard. In the year ive lurked ive noticed independents get pushed into one groop fast. the left isnt blameless but the right is much worse here. They attack anyone who shows independent thought that differs from Bush administration on anything calling them communists. good luck being independent. There are only few of us here.

sorry for my bad english its not my frist language.

[XPBMX]

Yeeeah we live in a tyrrrany...

Summary of your poiont:"Merica evil "


Gitmo bay is not the same thing as political prisoners..

YOU are the result of shitty slanted and politcally motivated media. Like a leftist robot you post the same tripe CNN does over and over about how evil our nation is

~bravo~

[XPBMX]

Enlightened? Not really, I'm just able to think for myself. Most liberals and for that matter far right 'thinkers' rely too much on mantras and robotic dogma instead of thought itself. This is why our nation is in the position it is right now. No moderates like myself are left.

Glad your here. being in independent here is hard. In the year ive lurked ive noticed independents get pushed into one groop fast. the left isnt blameless but the right is much worse here. They attack anyone who shows independent thought that differs from Bush administration on anything calling them communists. good luck being independent. There are only few of us here.

sorry for my bad english its not my frist language.Thank you.
I am a moderate and I get called Righty and sometimes Leftist, but never doe people actually LISTEN or READ what I am actually saying or others like me for that matter. Take the last poster about 'politcal prisoners'. Click the links and they eventually lead you to far left propaganda. Typical with the United States...We are doomed due to people like this.

[XPBMX]

Well he has some truth.

In the UK in opublic schools, the nanny-state has decided that teaching about the holocaust is forbidden because it OFFENDS the muslimmpopulation. Speaking about the liberation of Jerusalem from Sal'A'Din is alos forbidden.
Rubbish, absolute rubbish! Have you ever been to the U.K., XPBMX? "Public" schools in the U.K. are private, and the "nanny-state" has little control over what they teach. Bullshit BBC america as well as CNN and FOX all ran this story this week. Do you want a fucking link? No prblem robotdogma guy: http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/british_schools_stop_teaching_about_the_holocaust/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=445979&in_page_id=1770
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/02/nschools02.xml
you can apologize for your ignorance now.
Whichever type of school you mean, neither state NOR "public" schools are banned from teaching the Holocaust OR the Crusades. Again rubbish. The UK does NOT allow discussion ot the crusades period BECUASE it offends the muslim population, I can sit here and innundate you with links if you need them. AND 60 % of muslims in the Uk want Sha'Ria law instated over UK law.

Need links?

UK Schools Stopping Teaching Controversial Subjects
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/3288 ^


Posted on 04/01/2007 2:28:48 PM PDT by chessplayer


SCHOOLS AXE CONTROVERSIAL SUBJECTS

Schools are dropping controversial subjects from history lessons - such as the Holocaust and the Crusades - because teachers do not want to cause offence, Government research has found.

The way the slave trade is taught can lead white children - as well as black pupils - to feel alienated, according to the study by the Historical Association.

Some teachers have even dropped the Holocaust completely from lessons over fears that Muslim pupils might express anti-Semitic reactions in class.

And one school avoided teaching the Crusades because its "balanced" handling of the topic would directly contradict what was taught in local mosques.


(Excerpt) Read more at express.co.uk ...




the 60%tile: http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/004524.php

Sucks to be a stupid-ass doesn't it?

Oh yeah, I LOVE the "liberation" of Jerusalem part. Jerusalem was NEVER Christian before the Crusades!NOR was it MUSLIM it was part of the kingdom of Judea. You are not much on facts are you..typical robot. I had to read the Koran growing up can you find anywhere that Jerusalem is mnentioned as a muslim holy site? You can't. your ignorance is the reason people like me hate your extremist robotic ideologies.Jerusalem is mentioned OVER and OVER in both the Torah and the Bible as explicit holy sites...but your ass would defend Mecca and Medina and 'respect' the muslim ownership over them, but let the Turks and Arabs conquer Byzantium or Jerusalem and you'll defend them.Typical leftard.

[XPBMX]

Oh and BTW leftard I lived in Edinburgh for over a year-and-a-half.


Scotland to you.But I believe you don't have a clue based on your lack of knowledge on the subject threfore Scotland is located north of England . Need a link for that too? They just finished the Parliment building there right round the corner from my former flat.

NEXT ignorant leftard please?

[XPBMX]

Well there you go. Facts trump robotic dogmas every time.

You'd make a great 'useful idiot'.

peace.

[XPBMX]

What the fuck is a "moderate" if not a liberal? Surely you are not that stupid? A moderate is one who has both traits of the right and left.
I see you didn't attack the "right" What the fuck is Sharia Law? and Islamic theocracy? Liberal or rightest?
in that first paragraph of yours I quoted. Your not twinned with "corbomite" are you? Yeh, XPBMX, you're very honest. I will believe everything you write from now on. AND THEN THERE WERE 5!Puure bullshit. I see you ignored the fact I served your ass with facts and sped directly to character assassination. Pretty much fuck you for not having the decency to read the links and admit I was right. I would do that for you if you proved me wrong,. You're an asshole.

Do you even KNOW where "and then there were five" comes from you mendicant?

[XPBMX]

are you daft? All of those links had as a resource British newspapers and mediums. PERIOD. And if you read them you'd notice that MANY MANAY schools are dropping those two subjects all together, do you need more links because there are hundreds. A majority of them have a RESOURCE of British media.

So again did you actually READ the links or are you just a mendicant that loves stirring up shit despite the fact you're dead wrong?

And ANSWER me, what is Sharia law? Right or left?

ANSWER me.

[XPBMX]

Oh and BTW leftard I lived in Edinburgh for over a year-and-a-half.


Scotland to you.But I believe you don't have a clue based on your lack of knowledge on the subject threfore Scotland is located north of England . Need a link for that too? They just finished the Parliment building there right round the corner from my former flat.

NEXT ignorant leftard please?
Aye, XPBMX, I ken "Auld Reekie" fine, jist affa fine!!!Tupoi Duraknitski. Methinks you're a psuedo-brit.

So go bugger yourself. You rerally are a punk, I just proved to you that the nation YOU claim to live in is bacially outlawing any teaching of the holocaust and then you demand more proof.

Charming to the last.

[White_Male_Canada]

Well there you go. Facts trump robotic dogmas every time.

You'd make a great 'useful idiot'.

peace.

Welcome. I see you`ve met one of the resident leftsits, aka ILCB(see below). It may take awhile but you may reach my level. Level you say? I`m at the level where they cannot debate anymore, they ignore and run off to huddle in a corner and talk amungst themselves, re-enforcing their own misinformation,disinformation and self delusions. There are levels at which they will engage you:

1.The initial reply. Always telling you that you are in error and your notions do not match their resident ideology.

2. They will claim your references are from right-wing publications, organizations paid for by Exxon,non-government sources, etc. Therefore, are lies and irrlelvant.

3. If you persist in engagement, the furrowed brow replies become terse and strident. No matter how glaring your exposure of their false proposiitons they will deny reality.

4. The perjorative stage. Continuation of common sense and logic leads to irrational name calling and hardened positions. They will simply deny, deny , deny.

5. Final stage. The left ignores your rationale and will only "debate" among themselves. 8)

LICB wrote:


You'll get a debate on that from White_Male_Canada, he'll no doubt tell you that Islam is on the left. Coming from a largely secular country as I do, I see politics and religion as seperate.

No, I didn't ignore your links, pathetic that they are. Hey, it's late in the evening where I am, and I'm trying to get some work done. You may have nothing better to do, but I have!

Stick around, and you'll find out what I mean.

[XPBMX]

are you daft? All of those links had as a resource British newspapers and mediums. PERIOD. And if you read them you'd notice that MANY MANAY schools are dropping those two subjects all together, do you need more links because there are hundreds. A majority of them have a RESOURCE of British media.

So again did you actually READ the links or are you just a mendicant that loves stirring up shit despite the fact you're dead wrong?

And ANSWER me, what is Sharia law? Right or left?

ANSWER me.
I've already answered your questions about the links. I'll leave it for others to make up their own minds. I guess you know more about the U.K. than I do, XPBMX? Yeah, right!ok stupid if it is a dick-measuring contest you want I can furnish endless reams of links that AS have already suport my original remark YOU said was a lie.
So basically go fuck yourself. I made my point succinctly clear and used facts..all you have done is either attack my character or ignored the facts and inferred they did not say infact what they do say. As for foul-mouhted. Look originally I did not intend on insulting you or using ruder language but and as has just been pointed out to me from another poster here, you are unable to see any other point of view.


Canadian,
thanks for the heads-up.


Ok som one more time LCwhatevercbhijklmonop:

1. Please answer my question: Is an ISlamic theocracy right or left?

2. Please show me without inferrence or supposition, HOW exactly those numerous links were somehow not saying exactly what they have said?

3. Please show me where I have not been exactly what I am a moderate?


Now to address your stupidity.
Not everyone on the 'motherfuckingplanet' is a moderate. Otherwise leftarded robots like you would not be here foaming at the keyboard to refute my points with absolutely no evidence.Moderates are not leftist . Otherwise I would be supproting your robotic dogma like a little mindless guppy. Look at the world sir, Islam is growing more and more violent. Look at your own pathetic nation. You idiots can't even TEACH history if it GOEAS against some silly religious cleric ina robe. You brits are nothing but pussies. Socts? I love them. At least they have a set of balls unlike your beloved Britons. Now I am wrong for insulting your nation and it is not completely true, but you started this dick-measuring contest. You sit here and comment on things apparently Im know more about that concern your own nation.Instead of admitting that I am right and maybe acting on a local level you chose to assume it's all bullocks despite the fact every major and international news medium has already reported this as well as the numerous op-ed writers.Then when I corrected you , you then stopped debating and then simply attacked my character.


So we can start all over if you like sire.

I will say this. I lived in Edinburg as i told you...funny story.: I went to a pub...you know like an idiot tourist I just got some sterling and went right in...not checking the money first. The pub was on the royal mile or near it.... around Tesco... anywho I chalked up a tab with my team-mates... I went to pay.....MAN I was ran out of there almost when I gave the barkeep money with the queens face on it. I respected that. So I am not just totally downing Briton, I just like Scotland much more. SO beyond the dick-measuring contest I give the scots my support in breaking away and becoming totally autonomous within the Commonwealth itself.

To illustrate the lack of backbone the brits have just look how they were man-handled by the fucking frithing mad Iranian president. You think this man is sensible then wait around, the US will eventually have to wipe the worlds stinky ass again and be called names for removing a dangerous motherfucker from the globe BECAUSE the entire world is too weak to make a fucking stand.

[XPBMX]

WMC,
Thanks again for the information, I was a bit confused when this guy said my links did not say infact what they did say and wow I have never really well that's a lie. MOst leftist I try to debate use that same tactic. I want to give this guy the benefit of doubt. But thus far he has proven my point earlier about robotic leftist dogmatically marching mindlessly to a political-hack drum.

[XPBMX]

You'll get a debate on that from White_Male_Canada, he'll no doubt tell you that Islam is on the left. Coming from a largely secular country as I do, I see politics and religion as seperate.
And I would disagree wioth this man, but I feel UNLIKE yourself I don't need to deny facts. If he proves his point without any dubt then yeah I would submit however it looks plain to me that ISlamic Theocracies at least are right in the sense of how the left views the world. So yeah it is debatable.

[XPBMX]

Uk gov/..wow.

To reply to your...........post would take energy I am not willing to spend on a robot.

[White_Male_Canada]

Uk gov/..wow.

To reply to your...........post would take energy I am not willing to spend on a robot.

Forgot to tell you, another useless tactic used by the radical left is to flood you with pages and pages of irrelevant nonsense. By sticking to the germane issue and not allowing them to side-track you, you`ll win and frustrate them even more so. 8)

And yes, all totalitarianism is to the left, in whatever form it attempts to wrap itself in The further right you move, the less government.