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Jamie Michelle
03-07-2007, 06:18 AM
It was the FBI that bombed the World Trade Center in 1993. None of this would be known today if it were not for the FBI's undercover agent Emad Ali Salem taping his conversations with his FBI handlers (unbeknownst to them). Salem thought that the FBI might try to pin it on him so he took measures to protect himself. Indeed, without the FBI the '93 WTC bombing would never have happened, as it was agent Salem who built the bomb for the would-be Muslim "terrorists." Salem wanted to use fake ingredients for the "bomb" but the FBI ordered him to make a real one. When the making of the bomb was complete Salem told the FBI that they could now arrest the would-be terrorists, but the FBI refused to stop the bombing. After agent Salem went public with his tapes in a news conference the FBI found it necessary to pay him over a million dollars to shut him up.

For more on the above, see the below New York Times articles:

"Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast," Ralph Blumenthal, New York Times, October 28, 1993, Section A, pg. 1, Column 4;

"Tapes in Bombing Plot Show Informer and F.B.I. at Odds," Ralph Blumenthal, New York Times, October 27, 1993, Section A, pg. 1, Column 4:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b3c830e34de.htm
http://stateterror.web1000.com/fbi-bombed-wtc-new-york-times.html

Also see the below article:

"Who Bombed The World Trade Center? FBI Bomb Builders Exposed," Paul DeRienzo, Frank Morales and Chris Flash, The Shadow, October 1994/January 1995 Issue:

http://pdr.autono.net/WhoBombedWTC.html

From the above article one can find the below two audio clips from one of Emad A. Salem's recorded telephone conversations with one of his FBI handlers, FBI Special Agent John Anticev:

http://nwo.media.xs2.net/tape/emad%20salem.mp3
http://stateterror.web1000.com/emad-salem.mp3 (Backup copy.)

The above clip is an excerpt from the below longer clip:

http://nwo.media.xs2.net/tape/SalemWBAI.mp3
http://stateterror.web1000.com/SalemWBAI.mp3 (Backup copy.)

The above clips are from a broadcast on WBAI Radio in the city of New York which aired this taped conversation between Emad A. Salem and FBI Special Agent John Anticev.

In this audio recording of Emad A. Salem in conversation with one of his FBI handlers, Special Agent John Anticev (recorded unbeknownst to him), Salem admits a number of times to building, with the supervision of the FBI and the District Attorney of New York, the bomb that exploded in the North Tower (Tower One) of the World Trade Center on February 26, 1993. FBI Special Agent John Anticev doesn't disagree with Salem's account of the event, and indeed Anticev admits in the recording that Salem has only ever told him and the FBI the truth.

The below transcript is from 2:57 to 4:31 min:sec from the longer clip (SalemWBAI.mp3):

""
FBI Special Agent John Anticev: But, uh, basically nothing has changed. I'm just telling you for my own sake that nothing, that this isn't a salary, that it's--you know. But you got paid regularly for good information. I mean the expenses were a little bit out of the ordinary and it was really questioned. Don't tell Nancy I told you this. [Nancy Floyd is another FBI Special Agent who worked with Emad A. Salem in his informant capacity.]

FBI undercover agent Emad A. Salem: Well, I have to tell her of course.

Anticev: Well then, if you have to, you have to.

Salem: Yeah, I mean because the lady was being honest and I was being honest and everything was submitted with a receipt and now it's questionable.

Anticev: It's not questionable, it's like a little out of the ordinary.

Salem: Okay. Alright. I don't think it was. If that's what you think guys, fine, but I don't think that because we was start already building the bomb which is went off in the World Trade Center. It was built by supervising supervision from the Bureau and the D.A. and we was all informed about it and we know that the bomb start to be built. By who? By your confidential informant. What a wonderful, great case!

Anticev: Well.

Salem: And then he put his head in the sand and said "Oh, no, no, that's not true, he is son of a bitch." [Deep breath.] Okay. It's built with a different way in another place and that's it.

Anticev: No, don't make any rash decisions. I'm just trying to be as honest with you as I can.

Salem: Of course, I appreciate that.

Anticev: And as far as the payments go, and everything like that, they're there. I guarantee you that they are there.
""

Salem says in the above that he and the FBI built the bomb, i.e., "we." Indeed, he says it three different times here in three different ways: first he says "we [i.e., at the very least Salem] was start already building the bomb," then he says "It was built by supervising supervision from the Bureau and the D.A.," and lastly he asks "By who?" (i.e., "By whom was the bomb built?") to which he answers "By your confidential informant" (i.e., by Salem).

Salem was a former Egyptian army officer and the explosives expert within Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman's circle of followers. The fact that Salem was the explosives expert and bomb-builder within Sheik Rahman's circle is further reinforced by the fact that Salem tried to get the FBI to allow him to secretly substitute harmless powder for the explosives, but the FBI wouldn't allow it (see the two New York Times articles I previously cited above for that). Let me repeat: Salem himself wanted to substitute harmless ingredients for the bomb. What this demonstrates is that (1) Salem was regarded within Sheik Rahman's circle as the bomb-making expert (such that Salem would be allowed by them to be in charge of building the bomb), and that (2) Salem wasn't all that concerned about anyone else within Sheik Rahman's circle knowing the difference between fake or real bomb-making ingredients.

Nor can point No. 2 be dismissed as Salem not being very cautious, because not only was Salem concerned enough about his dealings with the FBI to secretly record his phone conversations with them (lest the FBI attempted to deny the extent of their relationship with Salem and blame him for the bombing), but Salem also refused to wear a "wire" in case he should be discovered as an undercover agent. In other words, if Salem thought that there was anyone else within the circle that he infiltrated who would know the difference between fake or real bomb-making ingredients then he wouldn't have been at all keen--as he indeed was--on the idea of substituting fake bomb-making ingredients.

There is simply no getting around the fact that Salem was the one who built the bomb under orders and supervision of the FBI. Not only did Salem say three different times in three different ways that he and the FBI built the bomb, but then one has points Nos. 1 and 2 which demonstrate that Salem was in charge of bomb-building within Sheik Rahman's circle, and that no one else within this group besides Salem would have been able to recognize fake bomb-making ingredients.

The following exchange is from 8:00 to 8:34 min:sec on the longer clip (SalemWBAI.mp3):

""
FBI undercover agent Emad A. Salem: [Have] you ever verified information and you find me falsifying any information to the Bureau?

FBI Special Agent John Anticev: Falsify? No. No.

Salem: No. Alright. So, every single information I supplied, it's very excellent and correct.

I was talking to El Sayyid Nosair's [I'm not sure if this is the correct name that Salem says] wife yesterday, and she's going to visit him today, and I will be going to visit him next week, as per the arrangement. What am I supposed to do this trip? I don't have money to do this trip. And then to go over there and the guy will ask me to build a bomb again. ...
""

One reason for me bringing up the above exchange is that it once again, at the very least, demonstrates that Salem was in charge of bomb-building within Sheik Rahman's circle. And depending on how one interprets the phrasing, it could very well mean that Salem is here saying that he had previously built a bomb for this group and hence "the guy will ask me [i.e., Salem] to build a bomb again": i.e., Salem had already built a bomb for this group, and now they're asking him to build another one for them. But at the very least this exchange further demonstrates that this group thought that Salem was the one to go to when it comes to having a person build bombs.

Moreover, another point to me bringing up this exchange is that FBI Special Agent John Anticev here admits that Salem hasn't ever said anything false to him or the FBI. That is, Anticev here agrees that Salem's statements in the audio recording regarding how the February 26, 1993 World Trade Center bomb was built are correct.

03-07-2007, 06:38 AM
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ezed
03-07-2007, 07:49 AM
Jaime, your still a pissa!
Glad to see you're still around. :D

stillies77
03-07-2007, 09:21 AM
conspiracy theory...its not just a movie starring mel gibson kids.

chefmike
03-07-2007, 09:35 PM
My neighbor is an alien.

BigTime
03-08-2007, 11:21 AM
This reminds me of a movie I saw "The Long Kiss Goodnight". http://imdb.com/title/tt0116908/

The plot; a department of the government was plotting an attack against its own country, to incite fear, using a foreigner as a pasty, in order to get a budget increase.

Starring: Geena Davis & Samuel L. Jackson.

Caleigh
03-08-2007, 05:29 PM
Just because a story line has been used in a film doens't mean that a similar series of events hasn't happened in real life.

TFan, you really DON'T want to actually learn anything or open your mind do you? Did you follow the evidence that Jaime has put out there? I haven't traced back your posts but no doubt you have been defending Scooter Libby all this time. Why? Because you are a knee-jerk republican.

I still won't be surprised if in a decade or so there is enough evidence to prove that the U.S. govt at some level was responsible for 9/11 I'm not saying they were, but I won't be surprised. The only plane allowed to fly after 9/11 was a plan carrying Osama Bin Laden's relatives away to safety. WTF was that??!!!

Quinn
03-08-2007, 07:15 PM
Denial is the ultimate negativity, for it is denial of reality (i.e., how people wish things were as opposed to how they actually are) that is the cause of almost all the preventable pain in the world. Until people learn to stop denying reality and come to terms with the world as it actually is, then this will continue to be the case.

Perhaps you should take your own advice and “come to terms with the world as it actually is.” Here are just a few reasons why not taking your own advice had ensured your lack of credibility on this forum:


You see, this is what Satan wants. This is utlimately the real reason behind certain pharmacueticals being illegal.

Satan doesn't want people being happy. Satan doesn't want people to have fun or to experience pleasure. Satan wants mankind to experience maximal pain, and all the time.


The reason is because God has chosen me to be an Archetype. I am that thing which so-called "staight" ideologues fears most.


I am a messenger of truth sent by God.

The bio on a “paper” you posted on this site was quite informative:


Born in Austin, Texas and raised in the Leander, Texas hill country, the native-born Augustinian James Redford [aka Jamie Michelle] is a young born again Christian who was converted from atheism by a direct revelation from Jesus Christ. He is a scientific rationalist who considers that the Omega Point (i.e., the physicists' technical term for God) is an unavoidable result of the known laws of physics.

Maybe it really is, as has been suggested, a matter of drugs compromising your ability to “come to terms with the world as it actually is":


Picture a person on a high dose of acid at the beginning of their trip and wherein they are experiencing a good trip up to that point, and the uncontrollable laughter which they display. Step it down a few degrees (because I am not presently on acid, unfortunately), and you will have a good idea of my laughter.

I am the laughing Buddha. I am the one who knows the beginning from the end. I am the one who can laugh at all the pain of the world, because I know wherefrom we come and where it is that we go. I know our true nature.

I could go on with more examples, but feel my point has been made beyond the point of reasonable contestation.

-Quinn

03-08-2007, 11:34 PM
Just because a story line has been used in a film doens't mean that a similar series of events hasn't happened in real life.

TFan, you really DON'T want to actually learn anything or open your mind do you? Did you follow the evidence that Jaime has put out there? I haven't traced back your posts but no doubt you have been defending Scooter Libby all this time. Why? Because you are a knee-jerk republican.

I still won't be surprised if in a decade or so there is enough evidence to prove that the U.S. govt at some level was responsible for 9/11 I'm not saying they were, but I won't be surprised. The only plane allowed to fly after 9/11 was a plan carrying Osama Bin Laden's relatives away to safety. WTF was that??!!!

I've read and reread this bullshit about 3 years ago. It's old, it's already been in the courts and well, thanks for reminding me to update my sig-

"The purpose of an open mind is to close it, on particular subjects. If you never do — you've simply abdicated the responsibility to think."- Bill Buckley Jr

ezed
03-09-2007, 07:30 AM
At least she didn't point out that FBI stands for "FUCKING BOMB INSIDE"! or maybe she did, since I didn't read her posts.

BigTime
03-09-2007, 12:22 PM
Just because a story line has been used in a film doens't mean that a similar series of events hasn't happened in real life.

I wasn’t insinuating that it didn’t happen in real life, just drawing the parallel. The bombing happen in 1993, the movie wasn’t released until 1996. This could indicate that the story line from the movie, would have been taken from real life.

03-09-2007, 12:26 PM
Just because a story line has been used in a film doens't mean that a similar series of events hasn't happened in real life.

I wasn’t insinuating that it didn’t happen in real life, just drawing the parallel. The bombing happen in 1993, the movie wasn’t released until 1996. This could indicate that the story line from the movie, would have been taken from real life.


Let's cut to the science.


Do you think that a government entity, of any kind or representation.. fuck it. Do you believe that a government knew?

LOL. Bring it.

03-09-2007, 12:28 PM
This could indicate that the story line from the movie, would have been taken from real life.


LMAO. Even the leftists cant finger their own paranoia.

BigTime
03-09-2007, 01:35 PM
Let's cut to the science.
Do you think that a government entity, of any kind or representation.. fuck it. Do you believe that a government knew?
I can neither confirm nor deny that they did.
Do I believe that they are capable of doing it? :wink:



LMAO. Even the leftists cant finger their own paranoia.
I am neither a Leftist: 1. members of a liberal or radical political party, or those favoring extensive political reform.
Nor do I exhibit Paranoia: 2. baseless or excessive suspicion of the motives of others.

The information provided in the thread simply reminded me of the movie.


LOL. Bring it.
lol There is nothing to bring :!:

stillies77
03-09-2007, 03:36 PM
theres that word again.

03-09-2007, 11:38 PM
I can neither confirm nor deny that they did.

In other words, you have nothing to say.

Thanks for playing!

TSChaser
03-11-2007, 09:56 PM
Watch Loose Change 2nd Edition (http://youtube.com/watch?v=1Yx9NRX37SM)

9/11 was an inside job. Wake up.

03-12-2007, 09:20 AM
Watch Loose Change 2nd Edition (http://youtube.com/watch?v=1Yx9NRX37SM)

9/11 was an inside job. Wake up.


LMAO. Nice change of screen names, druggie.

TSChaser
03-12-2007, 12:47 PM
Watch Loose Change 2nd Edition (http://youtube.com/watch?v=1Yx9NRX37SM)

9/11 was an inside job. Wake up.


LMAO. Nice change of screen names, druggie.

Wrong, I'm not him. I signed up a few weeks ago. Do the research, or at least watch the documentary, this is no laughing matter.

guyone
03-12-2007, 05:14 PM
Another wily bolshevik springs up from beneath the floorboards to attack America's credibility!

GET BEHIND ME SATAN! GET BEHIND ME...!

03-13-2007, 03:07 AM
Wrong, I'm not him.

:P



I signed up a few weeks ago. Do the research, or at least watch
the documentary, this is no laughing matter.

No it's not. It's Gulfstream Gore, speed reading Climate Research and highlighting the points that prove his point and blacking-out the rest.

Jamie Michelle
03-14-2007, 04:02 AM
So for all the verbiage following my post in this thread, in what way did the FBI *not* bomb the World Trade Center in 1993? That is the issue at hand here. They disallowed their FBI agent (Emad Ali Salem) to substitute harmless ingredients for a fake bomb, even though he wanted to; then they ordered him to build the actual bomb under orders and supervision of the FBI and the District Attorney of New York County (i.e., Robert Morris Morgenthau); finally, they refused to arrest the targets once they knew the bomb had been built.

So I fail to see where any disagreement arises here. It was the FBI's bomb, as they literally built it. They could have substituted innert materials per their own bomb-builder employee's wishes. And even after they built the bomb, they could have arrested the targets of their "sting" before the bombing took place, since they were informed by their own FBI bomb-builder at every step of the way.

But of course, had they done that then there wouldn't have been a pretext for increasing the police state, with the concomitant increase in the government's funding, control and power.

03-14-2007, 05:23 AM
So for all the verbiage following my post in this thread, in what way did the FBI *not* bomb the World Trade Center in 1993? That is the issue at hand here. They disallowed their FBI agent (Emad Ali Salem) to substitute harmless ingredients for a fake bomb, even though he wanted to; then they ordered him to build the actual bomb under orders and supervision of the FBI and the District Attorney of New York County (i.e., Robert Morris Morgenthau); finally, they refused to arrest the targets once they knew the bomb had been built.

So I fail to see where any disagreement arises here. It was the FBI's bomb, as they literally built it. They could have substituted innert materials per their own bomb-builder employee's wishes. And even after they built the bomb, they could have arrested the targets of their "sting" before the bombing took place, since they were informed by their own FBI bomb-builder at every step of the way.

But of course, had they done that then there wouldn't have been a pretext for increasing the police state, with the concomitant increase in the government's funding, control and power.


YOU DO DRUGS! STOP DOING DRUGS!!!

Nothing you say is important because YOU DO DRUGS. :D

ezed
03-14-2007, 06:58 AM
Jamie please, please start another thread quick...I just dropped my last tab of acid at Kriss's thread on "Quotes" and I don't wanna waste it.

Jamie Michelle
03-14-2007, 07:16 AM
Jamie please, please start another thread quick...I just dropped my last tab of acid at Kriss's thread on "Quotes" and I don't wanna waste it.

Once again you are lying, but then being mendacious makes it much easier for you to maintain your fallacious position.

I noticed that you didn't dare touch the matters I raised in the above, because you apparently have nothing to offer in which to rebut it. So instead you wish to distract people from the topic by a wave of the hands, as it were.

I suppose I ought to be gladdened by your actions, in that you are thereby inadvertently admiting the correctness of what I say. But still, it would be nice for you to come to terms with your own severe indoctrination.

03-14-2007, 07:28 AM
YOU DO DRUGS.

TSChaser
03-15-2007, 06:22 AM
Jamie Michelle, you seem to have a wealth of knowledge on this subject for someone that's "on drugs" ;)

Excellent posts! Here's the audio from the phone call recorded by Salem.

http://nwo.media.xs2.net/tape/emad%20salem.mp3

There's a full version of this floating around, I just don't have time to dig it up at the moment, or participate in flame wars.

I'll chime in more when time permits.

03-15-2007, 06:45 AM
Jamie Michelle, you seem to have a wealth of knowledge on this subject for someone that's "on drugs" ;)

Excellent posts! Here's the audio from the phone call recorded by Salem.

http://nwo.media.xs2.net/tape/emad%20salem.mp3

There's a full version of this floating around, I just don't have time to dig it up at the moment, or participate in flame wars.

I'll chime in more when time permits.

LMAO@ "Chime" in LMAOAMOAMOJIJAS!!!!

Of course Jaime has "Excellent posts", she is, afterall-


I am a messenger of truth sent by God.


The reason is because God has chosen me to be an Archetype. I am that thing which so-called "staight" ideologues fears most.

So there you have it, her posts are EXCELLENT because they come as a direct revelation from GOD! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Picture a person on a high dose of acid at the beginning of their trip and wherein they are experiencing a good trip up to that point, and the uncontrollable laughter which they display. Step it down a few degrees (because I am not presently on acid, unfortunately), and you will have a good idea of my laughter.

I am the laughing Buddha. I am the one who knows the beginning from the end. I am the one who can laugh at all the pain of the world, because I know wherefrom we come and where it is that we go. I know our true nature.

So there you have it. WTC Bombing, 9/11, PCP, Buddha, God and Jesus all rolled into your favorite acid trip.


For your reading enjoyment, noob, the words of Jaime Michelle aka James Redford aka Buddha/Jesus H-
http://praxeology.net/anarchist-jesus.pdf

ezed
03-15-2007, 07:21 AM
Jamie please, please start another thread quick...I just dropped my last tab of acid at Kriss's thread on "Quotes" and I don't wanna waste it.

Once again you are lying, but then being mendacious makes it much easier for you to maintain your fallacious position.

I noticed that you didn't dare touch the matters I raised in the above, because you apparently have nothing to offer in which to rebut it. So instead you wish to distract people from the topic by a wave of the hands, as it were.

I suppose I ought to be gladdened by your actions, in that you are thereby inadvertently admiting the correctness of what I say. But still, it would be nice for you to come to terms with your own severe indoctrination.

OH GOD! I LOVE IT WHEN YOU TALK DOWN TO ME! PLEASESSS PUT SOME HORN RIM GLASSES ON THAT AVATAR. I'VE COME TO TERMS! I'VE COME TO TERMS! NOW SPANK MY BARE BOTTOM WITH VARIOUS LINKS! AND CALL ME YOUR SILLY LITTLE BUFFOON!!!!

ezed
03-15-2007, 07:26 AM
Wow, the acid just wore off, I saw what I posted. Sorry, I have A.D.D., I can't focus on posts over a million words....... ehhhh.....could you still put on the horn rim glasses? :oops:

Jamie Michelle
03-21-2007, 01:47 AM
Jamie Michelle, you seem to have a wealth of knowledge on this subject for someone that's "on drugs" ;)

Excellent posts! Here's the audio from the phone call recorded by Salem.

http://nwo.media.xs2.net/tape/emad%20salem.mp3

There's a full version of this floating around, I just don't have time to dig it up at the moment, or participate in flame wars.

I'll chime in more when time permits.

Yes, it was all in my original post in this thread. Below is the longer clip of FBI undercover agent Emad Ali Salem talking with FBI Special Agent John Anticev wherein they both admit that the FBI blew up the World Trade Center in 1993:

http://nwo.media.xs2.net/tape/SalemWBAI.mp3
http://stateterror.web1000.com/SalemWBAI.mp3 (Backup copy.)

Below is my post on this, which includes links to New York Times articles admitting the same thing:

The FBI Bombed the World Trade Center in 1993
Mar 07, 2007 4:18 am
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=16459